honestly if GM made a v8 ats or ct4 blackwing, they're not much more than this (especially with adm). the v6 isn't bad per se, and it holds a lot of power i just hate the way it sounds@@TML34
@@vladimirtalijan Depends on your priorities. If we're talking about vehicle dynamics and performance I'd take my Alfa Romeo Veloce over either of these cars, as it's RWD (or RWD-based AWD), has 50/50 weight distribution and the same kind of money. All these cars are attractive, with the Alfa having an edge IMO. Yeah, I know about the lack of Alfa dealers, but if we're being objective, the Alfa is a player.
I'm not even all the way through this video, and the fact that you are saying that tires matter more than AWD make me SO HAPPY! I try to tell people this all the time, and they think I'm nuts. I always ask them one question... "What is the only thing on your vehicle that makes contact with the ground?" This is why I've been watching you guys for years.
A few years ago I was house hunting in the middle of winter. Had a 2019 Civic Type R with some winter tires on. As I was leaving an open house one of the realtors was out front in his truck and was spinning all over trying to pull away from the curb. He got out and was laughing. We talked a bit and I noticed he had some really bare all-season tire on. I said something like "Ah yeah maybe you need some winters" and he responded with "no that can't be it, it's all wheel drive." The AWD marketing you see on TV really works apparently. He wouldn't believe me!
Just got a type S for 50k out the door. This car has activated my teenage happiness and I'm so lucky to own one. So much power, so much class. Thank you Honda/Acura ☺️
@@Marbind yes.. Out the door. My trade offset most of the taxes. And the fees.. $500. 50,xxx.00 Msrp was 50,800. I got 3k off. Is the math mathing yet?
@@MarbindTaxes and fees varies, as does price. Sometime you can still get lucky haggle a discount. A smart dealer would cut the price for returning customers.
I’m 61 and have a significant commute to work each day yet I’m the proud owner of a CTR and I wouldn’t have it any other way. The car is brilliant and a blast to drive each day.
@@rdavidsen7344 I don't now, but I used to be a truck driver so my idea of an overly bumpy ride is probably not in line with other people's thinking. I find it rather engaging to drive a car with a sport suspension tune.
@@chrissimmons9969 Good on you! A couple of years ago, while getting gas for my pickup, a previous gen CTR pulled up and a ~65 year old dude jumped out. I couldn't stop beaming.
Like your car. That's what is important. I just like a lot of cars.. expensive and cheap.. (Good job on Video Guys! Let's see a PMC TYPE S TLX review revisited)
Let's see what you think of your Hyundai after 50kiles and you have to replace the transmission or some other major repair. You'll be wishing you bought Honda/Acura
@@ormand300080k miles on mines no issues the new thetta is very reliable and klasen motors has one pushing one 535hp+ stock block and trans they’re good cars for the price stop hating, on top of that the type r has had transmission issues and over heating issues for years so don’t even go their lol the fl5 still gets to hot for comfort on the track as well needing a cool down lap after pushing the car hard like you’re supposed to.
@@sethhester1524 yeah the only thing with the R was I wasn't the biggest fan of the touch controls for the climate system.. it was actually kind of annoying. Other than that I really love it.
@@esqu1rehey got it for msrp the took the mark up off and ended up giving me 2k more then I owned on my trade right at the end cus the payment was more then I wanted so I was gonna walk away. So after taxes paid 54k
I got my 25 Type R for 48.5 paid a little mark up but not horrible. Super super happy with my purchase. My 10 year old self would be so happy that I finally got a sports car.
Yes I just bought a champ white 2025 at MSRP with a $999 mark up. I spent 6 months going back and forth with the dealership near me and finally gave in.
32:25 Let's actually reward car manufacturers like Acura for finally having the guts to build a manual luxury car that wealthy enthusiasts like you want. Buy it now, Paul/Todd. Your Toyota GR86 long term ownership videos were awesome and offered genuine consumer advice whilst documenting it's myriad engine issues. From RTV, right turns losing oil pressure, etc. You should buy the Acura Integra Type S instead of letting them rot on dealership lots. The market has spoken.
The Type S is a remarkable car and value at 53K. The driving experience and luxurious interior are unmatched at this price point. I own and S and have owned S4’s. The acura is more fun. The S3 interior is more plasticy than the type s and the Audi feels less expensive in comparison. Driving the acura is all smiles. Commuting, high speed cruising, punching it on on-ramps… the smiles never end…. Find your favorite mountain road and have a blast. This car is what driving is all about!
The FL5 Type R is an amazing machine. I was very close to buying the Type S but the Type R(interior) just felt more special to me personally which is what made me purchase mine back in January.
Really good comparison as always guys! I think the S3 is the better car if your commuting in traffic to the office every day. Failing that, I'd take the Acura or the Civic Type R
I feel like this is one of the most underrated automotive youtube channels. Such amazing comparo's and insights, i'm always going to stick around. Thanks you guys always deliver!
If you complain that Audi didn't do enough on the S3, there is an RS3. The others here are the top of their models. I know the price.point is closer, but not the best of each brands. The interior and build quality of the German can't be denied over the Japanese.
I would say it's more 50/50. Germans got the luxury of you got the money. That being said entry cars don't have the nicer interior, as they even pointed out that the S3 felt barely nicer than the Golf. Build quality is Japanese all day, any day. Origin matters too. Both German and Japanese cars built in America and Mexico are not as good quality as ones built in Europe and Japan.
@@cowmath77what do you care if he spends $5,000 or $500,000 on a car that HE likes and it makes HIM happy!! he might think you’re not to smart spending $20K on a motorcycle when you can get a car for that price…🤔
Congrats on an awesome purchase!! You just bought a great sports car that will last you 20+ years and 200,000+ miles without breaking the bank to maintain it like the REST of the cars in this price segment!!! Some common sense a lot of these “price shock”people don’t seem to comprehend…
This is the comparison we didn't know we needed. The Type R is on my bucket list but the mark ups make it unlikely, but my wife would probably excuse the Audi. Unfortunately, the S3 is like an impeccably dressed business person that you find out cannot carry an interesting conversation. You guys killed it!
Great comparison. One sticking point for me, when you mention that something might be different because of tires(ie Audi S3 with all seasons), do not leave that in the 'what if' section. If you have the means to, swap the tires for something sportier (as a lot of owners would do on their own), and erase the doubt.
Having owned both an AudiS3 and a Civic Type R the big difference is running costs. The Audi , heavy on fuel , higher insurance and servicing costs plus thr Civic is more fun.
I'm glad you guys did this. I've been in the market for the last year trying to come up with my next vehicle (replacing a Focus ST). Last year I had the chance to test drive a new GTI (it was too clinical), CTR prices are ridiculous, and Integra ASpec was too tame. I got to test drive an ITS when it launched and fell in love. I'm on the list at my local dealer, just need one to arrive in the color scheme I want... Emotionally I still want the Type R, but the Type S does everything I want from a driving perspective and puts the creature comforts back that I have in the Focus (except for a sun roof).
You two are still the best at really covering the details and nuances of how a car really drives, well done. My only thought is you should have added your personal choices of the Individual or Custom Settings you would choose in each car.
Thank you! We consider this a big compliment. And we appreciate the custom choices question - the reality is they would change over time and depending upon the type of driving being done. Thanks for watching!
Hi, from Japan!! Todd’s philosophy is right. Type R is definitely the one of brilliant cars but it can not get 1st place when we judge it based on everyday drive. Also, Paul’s philosophy is right!! There are many great cars but no car can be the perfect. I agree your philosophy. You guys are great!!
In the past, the BMW 3 series (non-M) would have been the top contender in this price range. Now the ultimate drivng sedan for $50k is a FWD Honda/Acura.
Because the M340 is in a whole different class now. That is a whole better car than the Type R and S. Legendary B58 Straight 6 with rear drive or rear drive bias AWD. Way more power and true driving dynamics. With Type S marked up to 60k, I tell people to get a M340i. It’s a no brainer. I would highly recommend an RS3, but they are all sold out. If you can find one, don’t pass on it.
The Type R is more involving to drive than an M340 in my opinion. No doubt the BMW is faster. So is a Tesla Model 3 performance. I wouldn’t pay a big markup though.
And a slight turbo lag. And the fact that not being made in Japan you may find more factory issues with quality than the Type R made in Japan. I had 2 quality issues with mine and ended up having Acura take care of one and the other one was easier for me to fix than waiting for them to fix it. But what a car!
That Acura is seriously an amazing car; I agree with Paul's ranking of these 3. The Audi (and Golf R, and I say this as the owner of a 2018 Golf R) are just too sterile and boring to be true enthusiast cars, in my view. As always, great content guys. Looking forward to your next video and podcast.
@ricktrue8441 ive got a 2018 golf R, you're right. Definitely better build feel than when i sat in the Type S. Noise inside differs, too. However, i do miss the raw feel/noise of the Type S which i miss from my little Fiesta ST.
@joshuavadaketh4905 - I agree the Golf R gets boring real quick UNTIL you start the modifications lol. Clearly you've left your R in Clark Kent mode and when go FBO and add both a TCU and ECU stage 2 tune the car becomes an animal on the streets. I am well past the ago of 19 so I am not too interested in going to the track every weekend but what I do have is the ability to throw this car around the windy and twisty country roads and feel the power. Add in some sway bars and this car grips like a beast. Fast then the stock the RS3, this car get me to 60 in just 3.59 seconds as verifiable by my handle on draggy!
Front track width being wider than the rear is exactly how it should be in a FWD car such as the Civic Type R. It help with body rotation and the rear doesn't fight the with the front when cornering sharply under throttle.
My S3 is lovely in the snow here in the inland northwest. And I also drive a lot, so it’s a win there for me, too. Though, I did add parts and a tune to make it more exciting. 😎
Good comparison and a great video, as usual from you! As much as I like small, zippy cars like the S3, long-term ownership costs (and depreciation) would steer me toward the Honda or Acura. Given the choice between those two, if priced closely, I would definitely choose the Type S, for all the reasons you pointed out. More features, more luxurious, and I think a better value proposition than the Type R. It also looks more special and rare to me, because there aren't a million Integras on the road already, like there are Civics. So the Type S will stand out a little more, which I like. In addition, for me personally, I'm not a fan of the Type R's seats, with its large bolsters and tight fit. I'm a big guy with short legs, and getting in and out of the Type R is difficult and potentially painful, given where those bottom bolters are placed. Plus, the Acura's seats would just be more comfortable for a daily driver and for trips.
I love my ITS. I’ve owned Mustangs, Charger Hellcat, Challenger/Charger 392 and other cars over the years and this is hands down the best one from a drivers perspective.
But if you’re sharing it with a spouse that doesn’t drive manual, then as good as the CTR and Type S are, the S3 just give you more of that dual personality. I’ve never really liked VWs manuals because they don’t feel very crisp and for me I wouldn’t drive a manual just for the sake of it, I’d drive it because it improves the experience and for me, even though I agree it doesn’t crack off shifts as fast as I’d want it, VWs dual clutch is so good that it doesn’t really take anything away for me.
@@dubsessed9790 I’ve been really considering at least getting a DSG tune. I had a Mk6 GTI that was state 1 with a DSG tune and the car just felt totally different and so much better. My S3 is still under warranty for about a year and a half so I don’t want to jeopardize that by tuning it. Do you know if Audi can detect a DSG tune? I know they can definitely detect ECU tunes when the scan the car but don’t know if the DSG automatically flags it to.
@@fortheloveofnoise Well she does have her own car but say we're out and about in mine and for some reason I need her to drive or am unable to drive, then there's no problems. Even in that unlikely scenario, I feel better knowing she can still drive the car if needed. I'll reserve the manual for a dedicated weekend toy but for a daily, I find today's dual clutches and very fast torque converters hard to beat as a balance of fun and practicality.
One of the problems those cars all have are 1 - 2yr used BMW M3s with a manual. Same $50k price. Dynamics are probably better than any of the three. 11:33 - I've driven in snow in the northeast of the US for 20 years in only rear-wheel drive cars and only once found myself needing all-wheel drive. One time, and if I had snow tires on the rear I bet even that one time wouldn't count.
I am an Acura Ilx owner. Purchased it new in early 2021 for 34,000 Canadian. The new base Integra is 42,000 and is missing some features that are standard on my ilx. Given the increase in price and much higher interest rates, i can no longer afford an Acura. Having owned 3 Acura's over the past ten years, i am quite disappointed. If I want to stay with Honda and do not want to drive a manual, the next closest vehicle is the civic touring, which is down on power, torque and displacement. With current pricing and intrrest rates, the touring is still more then my ilx and i loose my dct. Hoping interest rates go down over the next 18 months.
I have an S3 and a Type R. Love both. Drive the Type R when I want a more focused and engaged driving experience. Drive the S3 when I want to chill or the weather is bad. S3 is faster for sure.
That Audi has the EA888, VWs engine. Those things are more reliable than the badge tells you otherwise. Yes the Honda will still outlast it doe, but you underestimate the VW i mean Audi.
@@android175it’s not the engine most of us are worried about. It’s the plastic cooling system components, it’s the transmission, it’s the electronic modules that end up becoming constant problems after the warranty expires. Just like all other German brands, VW went from making durable cars to disposable crap. They’re only good if you lease them and turn them it at 60k miles.
@@ROVA00 had a GTI for 120k miles, but i know thats anecdotal and makes me biased. Ur not totally wrong but ill give you that i think today they are more reliable than they were just a few years ago.
@@android175 I guess i can only speak from personal experience and anecdotes. If they were all so terrible they wouldn’t be as popular as they are within car enthusiasts. I’ve also had bad luck with Subarus. Ironically, the Mercedes I had been the most reliable I’ve had so far. I would love to say my old 98 integra and 96 civic were the noise realiable, but I got them each for under $2000 with a lot of miles and things broke down constantly in both.
@@ROVA00 Subarus are terrible lmao. I would say worse than VW. 😭 From an enthusiast perspective my GTI was very reliable even under heavy modding, but my friends subarus engines kept blowing up when modded 😭
The Type S would be my choice but without a red interior. However, since the Type S and R are demanding a 5 to 10K mark up it would definitely be the S3 for me in that awesome blue. I just wish they made a manual version as you mentioned. All 3 are awesome cars! I still haven't seen the Type R or Type S in person! Thanks for another high quality production!
I've heard about these markups for years. When I bought my TLX type S, I told the dealer I'm not paying any markups and they said everyone gets the same price, which is MSRP. I ended up paying like 3200 less than msrp. If I was shopping for another car I would do exactly the same thing. If you don't pay it, they can't get it. Very simple.
@@MikeYurbasovich see, that's the RIGHT way to go about it. But then you have idiots and sheep that WILL pay for these overpriced, marked up vehicles, and turn right around and bitch about it whilst having ZERO self awareness that THEY are the problem. It's hilarious. These companies can ramp up the greed cause there're stupid people that'll pay any price for their new toy.
@@MikeYurbasovichThe market is cooling, but the mark-ups are still real in some markets. A year ago when I was car shopping in Southern California, there were no negotiating tactics that would enable you to walk out of a Socal dealership with a CTR or Integra (base model A-spec at the time) at MSRP or below. I walked out of multiple dealerships.
I just checked the biggest Acura dealership in Colorado and they have ZERO Type S'.Its appears this car is just a mirage. It probably doesn't even exist.@@MikeYurbasovich
Dealers killed new NSX and killing both versions type S and type R...but many type R owners don't know to soften ride is simply changing suspension module to type S. Imagine if Honda did 10 speed auto and Sh-awd??? So, really, which is better for what they are? Both Honda/Acura
I was thinking about getting something to replace my Focus RS, but then I had to drive to an out of town wedding this past weekend in Blackwater Falls, WV. It ate up those smooth mountain roads, switchbacks and all, like they were nothing. It was amazing, and now I’m thinking I’ve already got the perfect car for me. Maybe. 😂
I think the previous S3 looked better, but I am biased. I would definitely get another (since I'll probably miss out on an available/affordable RS3), though I'd be interested to test drive a type-s when it comes time...
The S3 is for people who daily their cars in traffic, ie the real world for many of us. It is hands down the easiest to live with. The Type S is still great in normal life, not as comfortable as the Audi, but much more sporting to drive. The Type R is for people who will spend more time on the track than roads. Definitely for enthusiasts only if you plan on DD the thing.
Seems like 6MT turbo sport sedans might be an end of an era in less than 10 years. I started out as a Honda fan and upgraded to Acura (current rides 18 RLX Sport Hybrid & 19 MDX Adv Sport Hybrid). The extra luxury touches of the Acura, 4yr/50,000 mile basic warranty, 6yr/70,000 mile powertrain, and +200,000 miles of reliability with only scheduled maintenance is top on my list.
Got my champion white R for 44K or msrp. No adders. Just $240 fee for plates. Have to look around. Took it home and swapped the ADM module from the S to my R. Zero issues. Many have done it. Rides great and faster around the track. It’s now a type S commuter with better seats that can be tracked or enjoyed driving hard. Saved $8k. BTW my local Acura dealer wanted $5K over msrp. Told him get lost. Shopped the R and found it next state over. Check the dealer network of Acura? One in 75 miles away for me. Honda dealers are like Walmarts.
I really liked my S3 and I modified the heck out of it, but just couldn't love it without a manual trans. Sold it, and got a GR Corolla which has a lot fewer features, no luxury, is a lot cruder and a lot slower but more fun which at the end of the day is what I wanted. If they would give me a manual and ditch the moonroof, I'd go back in a heartbeat.
You two are the best in the biz. Thanks for another incredible video with fantastic content. I can tell you guys just love cars, and you especially love amazing driving dynamic and engagement which I admire in you. THANK YOU for acknowledging the reality of the market for these cars - so many automotive journalists rip on the Type S for having a $7K higher MSRP than the Type R. But that’s not what is happening for sale prices. I just bought a Type S for less than the average selling price of the Type R. I have a car problem and was dumb to sell a FK8 Type R in my past, but you guys nailed it - the Type R too hardcore for daily use (and too rough of a suspension that upsets the wife). After a month in my Type S, all I can say is Wow the Type S is incredible and truly has a different vibe from the Type R yet it leaves me missing nothing on the performance side.
Todd made a great point. These cars need to be a blend of track/weekend and daily driver. We want something fun that we can drive every day. If we are looking for a weekender/track car, bring in a used m2 comp or a 981 Cayman S to compare to. But if we are comparing daily hot hatches, let’s focus on the things that make a daily hot hatch great.
Awesome video! you guys are always so creative with your choices of vehicles in comparison pieces! Must admit that I would have put the Type R first because of its looks, but I wouldn't complain about any of these cars. Great job Paul and Todd!
Got my CTR for MSRP and it’s becoming more common as 24 MY hit the dealers. I’m surprised no one mentioned the cheap ass looking bolted/press on fender door flares in the ITS. If you hate the ride of the CTR, you can spend $220 and get the ITS active suspension control module. 10 min DIY and you can get better dampening.
My wife's daily driver is a 2020 Civic Si. Considering the Integra Type S for her next car. I've driven a friend's Civic Type R, and it is the best FWD car I've ever driven, and I've been driving for 40 years, been autocrossing for 20+ years in FWD, AWD, and RWD cars. The Civic Type R is a great car, but if I'm spending that much for a track toy, its going to be RWD. The CTR is a little too brutal for daily driver and long trip duty (we take multiple 1000+ mile road trips every year), but the slightly softer Integra should fit the bill nicely for us.
I couldn't agree more with your assessment regarding drive wheels and tires. My wife and I live in the Great Lakes snowbelt of Southwestern Ontario and we daily a 2014 Civic EX 5MT and a 2021 GMC Canyon Elevation Duramax 2WD. We often get criticized for factory ordering a 2WD truck in the snowbelt but with our Michelin X-Ice tires on the truck (and Goodyear WinterCommands on the car) we can plow through anything the Great Lakes throw at us. We have kept a running total of the number of times we could have used 4WD in our truck and we're sitting at 5 times in 3 years and even in those situations, we got through with 2WD so 4WD just isn't worth the $5k premium to us. Honda made the right choice with these cars by sticking with FWD and their development efforts have paid off. If we were replacing our Civic today we'd probably get an Si, but the Type-S is the dream for sure.
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2:24 why are you saying VW? It’s not like it is with Acura, where Honda is its parent owner. Audi started decades before VW came about. Porsche and Audi may use elements from their family but they are all individual cars. VW only deserves recognition when it is a VW car, vice-versa🤷♂️
What you didn't explore are the real track experience of the S and R... You'd be surprised to learn the Type S actually matches and outperforms the Type R... You get the best of both worlds with the Type S, with a tip to refinement.
Absolutely love the type S and will probably buy one in the future. I think my biggest complaints are heated steering wheel (paid upgrade), no cooled seats, no ambient lighting and no type c ports in the rear.
Very thorough, thank you. For me--Acura, do to "perceived quality" issues. It may or not be accurate, but I would feel more confident out the door in Honda manufacturing. I love German cars, but doubt their "trouble free" nature. Maybe they ARE as good, but back to perception, that comes from ownership experience AND, reputation. See, no matter how good Audi's ARE, they have not earned the reputtion over many years that Acura/Honda enjoy.
You should come to europe and compare those japanese machines with cupra leon 300 and golf gti clubsport (which are both the same car). 300 hp 2.0 tsi engine and fwd. They are a blast to drive. Too bad we don't have acura type s over here. It looks gorgeous.
That would be a cool comparison! I'm from Saskatchewan, Canada. Manual cars are a treat over here. They are disappearing and hard to come by, even cars in general are getting to be less common. Half ton trucks rule the market over here, no manual options in any new half ton in Canada. I'd love to get some more euro options over here for hot hatches, but they would never sell unfortunately.
Awesome comparison, always look forward to your videos! Love the Type S/R and what Honda is doing with them. Was car hunting recently for a commuter companion to my 6th gen ZL1. Had an allocation reserved for a Type S as soon as they came out, but ultimately could not convince the wife to drive a stick… We considered RS3 but ended up going BMW and ordering an m340ix after a couple test drives with both. Can definitely agree with the video (in my experience) that the quattro FWD biased AWD in the Audis doesn’t feel quite right and really leans towards understeering where as the xdrive systems with the RWD biased AWD in the BMWs felt much better with their tendency to lean more towards oversteer first. Plus how can you argue with the B58, it’s just a joke at this point lol
@@CJ-gh4eh I have! Drove a friend’s CTR, that’s what convinced me to get an allocation on the S as soon as they came available from my local dealer. They are great cars no doubt. But unfortunately the manual being the only option was the dealbreaker for my partner as we needed a car for the both of us. Would love to see a great fast auto like the modern BMW ZFs or Audis DCT system as an option but totally understandable why that’s not in the cards for the Type S/R.
Great video as usual and nice insights on each car. I appreciate your work and efforts! The Type R certainly has the dealer mark-ups as you state (5k-10k). However, I believe that the Type S also has them from what I have seen and this might push the entry price close to the 60k+ range. Thus, you must consider that "step-up" in price if one intends to buy the Type S. Also, I would guess that the Type R is for a younger buyer demographic than the Type S buyer who would tend to be older and not want the "racer" image that the car projects ....
FYI front track wider than the rear is basically how every single FWD car is, but anyway...respect for the latest gen Civic platform, not sure the Integra pricing is right for most of the models and I wouldn't pay markup for anything from Honda or Acura but otherwise everything on this platform is pretty darn great. And I've been a VW/Audi guy forever! Haldex dynamically doesn't offer a lot, pretty much just allows you to chase your throttle and abuse the traction out of corners, otherwise feels FWD, but it's like FWD+.
Great video! All are great cars! I respectfully disagree with you about the tires. Yes the tires make a huge huge difference but when you combine it with the Quattro you have something else. The front wheel only will not be able to compete with the Quattro.
Speed does not equal fun dynamics. I have driven a mk 7.5 R, FL5 and Type S. The Germans can do speedy but the Japanese know driver engagement. Of course there is a different product for everyone but the natural feel of the Honda products despite being so modern is so hard to beat.
Just realized Giulia Veloces are going for $45k. As much as I like the ITS and manual transmission, for 10 grand less I would go for the Alfa no question…
I'm a 43 year old lawyer sitting in gridlock in SoCal on my way to courthouses all over the place. I've got a BMW M240i with (sadly) the 8AT, but I would absolutely 100% daily the CTR and feel like a kid in the 90's reading Sport Compact Car again.
Had a civic si for a year (sold it to get a gr86). The lsd didn’t eliminate torque steer and I find it really hard to believe that the CTR or the Acura could hold back significantly more torque than my civic si had. Find it amusing that the lightweight in this comparison is 3,200lbs. I’ll take my gr86 at 2,833lbs
They have less torque steer because of the dual axis strut suspension. I recall when the previous CTR came out, the auto journos were flooring it with their hands off the wheel and the car just went strait!
My heart wants a Type R
My brain wants a Type S
My bank account wants me to stop buying cars
Used Camaro SS 1LE?? Even though you can’t see great out of it, I just love the way it drives. 😅
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honestly if GM made a v8 ats or ct4 blackwing, they're not much more than this (especially with adm). the v6 isn't bad per se, and it holds a lot of power i just hate the way it sounds@@TML34
I may be in the minority, but I hate power seats...too slow. Manual seats are instant.
Nailed it! If dealer mark-up is going to push these up by 5-10K, let's test them against other cars in that price bracket.
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But those dumb dealers will also mark up those other cars by 5-10K so no matter where you go, you'll find mark-ups.
What other cars? Unless you want a truck, there is nothing better than the Civic TypeR or Integra Type S for the price.
@@vladimirtalijan Depends on your priorities. If we're talking about vehicle dynamics and performance I'd take my Alfa Romeo Veloce over either of these cars, as it's RWD (or RWD-based AWD), has 50/50 weight distribution and the same kind of money. All these cars are attractive, with the Alfa having an edge IMO. Yeah, I know about the lack of Alfa dealers, but if we're being objective, the Alfa is a player.
wow it's almost like the entire car market is up, not just dealers but private party lmao@@vandrosia
I'm not even all the way through this video, and the fact that you are saying that tires matter more than AWD make me SO HAPPY! I try to tell people this all the time, and they think I'm nuts. I always ask them one question... "What is the only thing on your vehicle that makes contact with the ground?" This is why I've been watching you guys for years.
A few years ago I was house hunting in the middle of winter. Had a 2019 Civic Type R with some winter tires on. As I was leaving an open house one of the realtors was out front in his truck and was spinning all over trying to pull away from the curb. He got out and was laughing. We talked a bit and I noticed he had some really bare all-season tire on. I said something like "Ah yeah maybe you need some winters" and he responded with "no that can't be it, it's all wheel drive." The AWD marketing you see on TV really works apparently. He wouldn't believe me!
True, but tires are SLIGHTLY easier to change than FWD...
Yes but the perfect tire on an AWD platform is the perfect setup, no?
@@senorgato70 maybe in the winter, but it still wouldn't be my preference for fun.
@@billymays7210 unless you can't get to the garage to change them...
I am 57 and I have been daily driving a type R for almost 5 years . I love it
Just got a type S for 50k out the door. This car has activated my teenage happiness and I'm so lucky to own one. So much power, so much class. Thank you Honda/Acura ☺️
Out the door means taxes and dealer fees included.
Just checking that you are aware.
An ITS OTD price at MSRP goes to around 57K.
@@Marbind yes.. Out the door. My trade offset most of the taxes. And the fees.. $500. 50,xxx.00
Msrp was 50,800. I got 3k off.
Is the math mathing yet?
@@davelospinoso9022 the devil is on the details.
There was an equity involved.
@@MarbindTaxes and fees varies, as does price. Sometime you can still get lucky haggle a discount.
A smart dealer would cut the price for returning customers.
@@davelospinoso9022that 50,800 is missing the $1195 destination fee which isn’t negotiable.
Type S is so tempting. Saw one at a dealership, today, and it looked great!
Are they selling it at MSRP?
The interior fell flat for me. My wife drives an MDX type S and I wish they made the inside look more like an Acura than a civic.
@@SilverScarletSpider haha you had to ask?? NO they are not, my local dealer has a $10,000 Markup and wont budge on price.
@@eppyzand idiots keep buying 😂
I just got my Type R, last week, man this car always surprises me how quick it responds to my needs. Good job Honda
I’m 61 and have a significant commute to work each day yet I’m the proud owner of a CTR and I wouldn’t have it any other way. The car is brilliant and a blast to drive each day.
Todd must be having some weird musculoskeletal issues if he can't envision daily driving the CTR on those lovely roads in his neighborhood. 😇
@@rdavidsen7344 I don't now, but I used to be a truck driver so my idea of an overly bumpy ride is probably not in line with other people's thinking. I find it rather engaging to drive a car with a sport suspension tune.
@@chrissimmons9969 Good on you! A couple of years ago, while getting gas for my pickup, a previous gen CTR pulled up and a ~65 year old dude jumped out. I couldn't stop beaming.
I can only afford cheap. Given how quickly it can put down power, especially in the wet, I'm good with my Elantra N.
Elantra N is a great car!
Like your car. That's what is important. I just like a lot of cars.. expensive and cheap..
(Good job on Video Guys! Let's see a PMC TYPE S TLX review revisited)
Let's see what you think of your Hyundai after 50kiles and you have to replace the transmission or some other major repair. You'll be wishing you bought Honda/Acura
Yeah. I'm in the same boat and ofnthensame opinion. That Hyundai is special
@@ormand300080k miles on mines no issues the new thetta is very reliable and klasen motors has one pushing one 535hp+ stock block and trans they’re good cars for the price stop hating, on top of that the type r has had transmission issues and over heating issues for years so don’t even go their lol the fl5 still gets to hot for comfort on the track as well needing a cool down lap after pushing the car hard like you’re supposed to.
Just bought the Type S the other day drove the s3 first but loved the Acura so much more!
Golf R > S3. Gets the same AWD system as the RS3. Why the S3 got shafted with the last gen system, I’ll never know.
@@sethhester1524 yeah the only thing with the R was I wasn't the biggest fan of the touch controls for the climate system.. it was actually kind of annoying. Other than that I really love it.
@@Shane_murray🎉 did you get it for msrp or have to paysome markup?
@@esqu1rehey got it for msrp the took the mark up off and ended up giving me 2k more then I owned on my trade right at the end cus the payment was more then I wanted so I was gonna walk away. So after taxes paid 54k
@@Shane_murray thanks! Seems like you got a fair deal!
Well done, gents. This has classic Everyday Driver content vibes.
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
I got my 25 Type R for 48.5 paid a little mark up but not horrible. Super super happy with my purchase. My 10 year old self would be so happy that I finally got a sports car.
Yes I just bought a champ white 2025 at MSRP with a $999 mark up. I spent 6 months going back and forth with the dealership near me and finally gave in.
The CTR and ITR are like a 911 GT3 vs a 911 S/T: track trim vs sport tourer trim. Same car, slightly different niches.
Excellent analogy.
the ST is actually a lot different than the normal GT3 which is why its like 2x the price lol
More like the difference in a GT3 and a GT3 Touring
S vs GTS
@@evanescent0311 that’s probably the better analogy.
Great comparison! I recently went from a 2019 Type R to the new Integra Type S. Lovely car.
Very happy to see the in person discussion at the end … I have missed that in recent videos and it is my favorite part!
Thanks guys
32:25 Let's actually reward car manufacturers like Acura for finally having the guts to build a manual luxury car that wealthy enthusiasts like you want. Buy it now, Paul/Todd. Your Toyota GR86 long term ownership videos were awesome and offered genuine consumer advice whilst documenting it's myriad engine issues. From RTV, right turns losing oil pressure, etc. You should buy the Acura Integra Type S instead of letting them rot on dealership lots. The market has spoken.
This is such a fun comparison! Especially seeing the Hondas take on the Audi :)!
Keep in mind the Hondas cost nearly as much as the S3.
@@rlseditionthat’s the highest spec you can get out of them though. The S3 pricing starts at that point
The Type S is a remarkable car and value at 53K. The driving experience and luxurious interior are unmatched at this price point. I own and S and have owned S4’s. The acura is more fun. The S3 interior is more plasticy than the type s and the Audi feels less expensive in comparison. Driving the acura is all smiles. Commuting, high speed cruising, punching it on on-ramps… the smiles never end…. Find your favorite mountain road and have a blast. This car is what driving is all about!
Congrats on a great car!
$ for $ the audi in this test could easily have been the S4 with a turbo v6
@@hotdog9262 - I'd still take the S3 over these guys...
Have made a similar statement a while ago but, this needs repeating. You guys do this whole car review thing, pretty flipping well! Thanks.
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!!! Another great comparison! The Type-S sure is intriguing.
Word on the street is, a module can be put into the adaptive suspension from the type s into the type r.
Yes you can, and presumably the other way around too if the Type S rolls too much on track.
The FL5 Type R is an amazing machine. I was very close to buying the Type S but the Type R(interior) just felt more special to me personally which is what made me purchase mine back in January.
Really good comparison as always guys! I think the S3 is the better car if your commuting in traffic to the office every day. Failing that, I'd take the Acura or the Civic Type R
I feel like this is one of the most underrated automotive youtube channels. Such amazing comparo's and insights, i'm always going to stick around. Thanks you guys always deliver!
Thank you! We're encouraged by your compliment here, and always grateful when people have found us and like what we do. Glad to have you with us!
Amazing channel love it - much love from Australia
If you complain that Audi didn't do enough on the S3, there is an RS3. The others here are the top of their models. I know the price.point is closer, but not the best of each brands. The interior and build quality of the German can't be denied over the Japanese.
new rs3 interior is just all screen. its also a lot more expensive
Most German cars are a joke until you start spending 75k.
The interior of menew bmw and merc is worse than hyundai.
I would say it's more 50/50.
Germans got the luxury of you got the money. That being said entry cars don't have the nicer interior, as they even pointed out that the S3 felt barely nicer than the Golf.
Build quality is Japanese all day, any day.
Origin matters too. Both German and Japanese cars built in America and Mexico are not as good quality as ones built in Europe and Japan.
I’m loving my type S, such a great car
@@cowmath77what do you care if he spends $5,000 or $500,000 on a car that HE likes and it makes HIM happy!! he might think you’re not to smart spending $20K on a motorcycle when you can get a car for that price…🤔
@@cowmath77 I did not
Sounds more like a rant about your personal relationships…😢
Congrats on an awesome purchase!! You just bought a great sports car that will last you 20+ years and 200,000+ miles without breaking the bank to maintain it like the REST of the cars in this price segment!!! Some common sense a lot of these “price shock”people don’t seem to comprehend…
Some people have champagne dreams with a beer budget and can’t afford a $55K Acura…😢
FL5 is so easy to daily! I drive mine everyday.
This is the comparison we didn't know we needed. The Type R is on my bucket list but the mark ups make it unlikely, but my wife would probably excuse the Audi. Unfortunately, the S3 is like an impeccably dressed business person that you find out cannot carry an interesting conversation. You guys killed it!
Great video, can't disagree with 1st place, Type S is a brilliant do-all luxury/enthusiast choice.
Great comparison. One sticking point for me, when you mention that something might be different because of tires(ie Audi S3 with all seasons), do not leave that in the 'what if' section.
If you have the means to, swap the tires for something sportier (as a lot of owners would do on their own), and erase the doubt.
Type r 1st, Acura 2nd, S3 3rd
I agree.
Having owned both an AudiS3 and a Civic Type R the big difference is running costs. The Audi , heavy on fuel , higher insurance and servicing costs plus thr Civic is more fun.
I'm glad you guys did this. I've been in the market for the last year trying to come up with my next vehicle (replacing a Focus ST). Last year I had the chance to test drive a new GTI (it was too clinical), CTR prices are ridiculous, and Integra ASpec was too tame. I got to test drive an ITS when it launched and fell in love. I'm on the list at my local dealer, just need one to arrive in the color scheme I want...
Emotionally I still want the Type R, but the Type S does everything I want from a driving perspective and puts the creature comforts back that I have in the Focus (except for a sun roof).
You two are still the best at really covering the details and nuances of how a car really drives, well done. My only thought is you should have added your personal choices of the Individual or Custom Settings you would choose in each car.
Thank you! We consider this a big compliment. And we appreciate the custom choices question - the reality is they would change over time and depending upon the type of driving being done. Thanks for watching!
got my FL5 about 7 months ago and i have loved every second of it!!! its crazy how subtle it is
That Integra looks fantastic, so understated, as a daily driver, it's the one for me.
Great video.
Hi, from Japan!! Todd’s philosophy is right. Type R is definitely the one of brilliant cars but it can not get 1st place when we judge it based on everyday drive. Also, Paul’s philosophy is right!! There are many great cars but no car can be the perfect. I agree your philosophy. You guys are great!!
Thank you Japan.
@@SilverScarletSpiderThank you for your message!!
In the past, the BMW 3 series (non-M) would have been the top contender in this price range. Now the ultimate drivng sedan for $50k is a FWD Honda/Acura.
Because the M340 is in a whole different class now. That is a whole better car than the Type R and S.
Legendary B58 Straight 6 with rear drive or rear drive bias AWD. Way more power and true driving dynamics.
With Type S marked up to 60k, I tell people to get a M340i. It’s a no brainer.
I would highly recommend an RS3, but they are all sold out. If you can find one, don’t pass on it.
The Type R is more involving to drive than an M340 in my opinion. No doubt the BMW is faster. So is a Tesla Model 3 performance. I wouldn’t pay a big markup though.
Got mine in Tiger eye pearl, it’s so fun. It’s the sweet spot in my opinion. Only cons are no memory seats that’s a big one on manual transmissions
And a slight turbo lag. And the fact that not being made in Japan you may find more factory issues with quality than the Type R made in Japan. I had 2 quality issues with mine and ended up having Acura take care of one and the other one was easier for me to fix than waiting for them to fix it.
But what a car!
I agree also usb c in the back and vents
Civic Type R is my choice, and I ordered one already. I have another car for daily driving, so this is my decision.
Great comparison video! I love my FL5, but have been toying with the idea of downsizing to a one-car garage, and for that, I'd rather have the ITS.
Great video! I did notice at the vehicle final ratings screen it said the Audi was an S4, not the S3
Damn typos... Good eye, sorry for the fail there. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver just change it to Golf R sedan
I noticed that too
I thought they did it on purpose b/c they didn't like it and it matched the golf r jokes, though it was a continuation of the jokes@@danmaier6104
I am loving my FL5. Such a great driver's car!
How is the ride quality on the highway?
@@richsgarage5897 Its comfy in Comfort mode
That Acura is seriously an amazing car; I agree with Paul's ranking of these 3. The Audi (and Golf R, and I say this as the owner of a 2018 Golf R) are just too sterile and boring to be true enthusiast cars, in my view. As always, great content guys. Looking forward to your next video and podcast.
I bet the Golf R feels more expensive, quiet, and refined. Asian cars always feel like your driving a 55 gallon oil drum.
@ricktrue8441 ive got a 2018 golf R, you're right. Definitely better build feel than when i sat in the Type S. Noise inside differs, too. However, i do miss the raw feel/noise of the Type S which i miss from my little Fiesta ST.
@joshuavadaketh4905 - I agree the Golf R gets boring real quick UNTIL you start the modifications lol. Clearly you've left your R in Clark Kent mode and when go FBO and add both a TCU and ECU stage 2 tune the car becomes an animal on the streets. I am well past the ago of 19 so I am not too interested in going to the track every weekend but what I do have is the ability to throw this car around the windy and twisty country roads and feel the power. Add in some sway bars and this car grips like a beast. Fast then the stock the RS3, this car get me to 60 in just 3.59 seconds as verifiable by my handle on draggy!
@@ricktrue8441 but german cars live in the mechanic. Your "refined" thing in reality is an expensive piece of crap.
Front track width being wider than the rear is exactly how it should be in a FWD car such as the Civic Type R. It help with body rotation and the rear doesn't fight the with the front when cornering sharply under throttle.
My S3 is lovely in the snow here in the inland northwest. And I also drive a lot, so it’s a win there for me, too. Though, I did add parts and a tune to make it more exciting. 😎
Easy ecu flash and trans flash on my 17’, some snow tires, summer tires and the S3 was a rocket. ✌️
It’s the best car out of the three
Great Point about the Luxury Automatic vs. Manual.
Good comparison and a great video, as usual from you!
As much as I like small, zippy cars like the S3, long-term ownership costs (and depreciation) would steer me toward the Honda or Acura. Given the choice between those two, if priced closely, I would definitely choose the Type S, for all the reasons you pointed out. More features, more luxurious, and I think a better value proposition than the Type R. It also looks more special and rare to me, because there aren't a million Integras on the road already, like there are Civics. So the Type S will stand out a little more, which I like.
In addition, for me personally, I'm not a fan of the Type R's seats, with its large bolsters and tight fit. I'm a big guy with short legs, and getting in and out of the Type R is difficult and potentially painful, given where those bottom bolters are placed. Plus, the Acura's seats would just be more comfortable for a daily driver and for trips.
I love my ITS. I’ve owned Mustangs, Charger Hellcat, Challenger/Charger 392 and other cars over the years and this is hands down the best one from a drivers perspective.
I really hope the day comes where you can regularly find the Type-R for MSRP, I want one so bad. Great video
Thanks for watching!
Great job as always guys!
But if you’re sharing it with a spouse that doesn’t drive manual, then as good as the CTR and Type S are, the S3 just give you more of that dual personality. I’ve never really liked VWs manuals because they don’t feel very crisp and for me I wouldn’t drive a manual just for the sake of it, I’d drive it because it improves the experience and for me, even though I agree it doesn’t crack off shifts as fast as I’d want it, VWs dual clutch is so good that it doesn’t really take anything away for me.
The DSG tunes (combined with the 7 speed version) are awesome, shifts very fast and improved my 0-60 time
@@dubsessed9790 I’ve been really considering at least getting a DSG tune. I had a Mk6 GTI that was state 1 with a DSG tune and the car just felt totally different and so much better. My S3 is still under warranty for about a year and a half so I don’t want to jeopardize that by tuning it. Do you know if Audi can detect a DSG tune? I know they can definitely detect ECU tunes when the scan the car but don’t know if the DSG automatically flags it to.
Don't share, the spouse should buy their own car. Thankfully that is a non issue for me, as my fiancé does not even drive and says she never will.
@@fortheloveofnoise Well she does have her own car but say we're out and about in mine and for some reason I need her to drive or am unable to drive, then there's no problems. Even in that unlikely scenario, I feel better knowing she can still drive the car if needed. I'll reserve the manual for a dedicated weekend toy but for a daily, I find today's dual clutches and very fast torque converters hard to beat as a balance of fun and practicality.
One of the problems those cars all have are 1 - 2yr used BMW M3s with a manual. Same $50k price. Dynamics are probably better than any of the three.
11:33 - I've driven in snow in the northeast of the US for 20 years in only rear-wheel drive cars and only once found myself needing all-wheel drive. One time, and if I had snow tires on the rear I bet even that one time wouldn't count.
1-2 year old m3 for 50k? Barely get 2018s for that price. I looked at multiple 2-3 year old m3 still holding well above 65k
Great breakdown on the difference between the type R and type S. Well done.
I am an Acura Ilx owner. Purchased it new in early 2021 for 34,000 Canadian. The new base Integra is 42,000 and is missing some features that are standard on my ilx. Given the increase in price and much higher interest rates, i can no longer afford an Acura. Having owned 3 Acura's over the past ten years, i am quite disappointed. If I want to stay with Honda and do not want to drive a manual, the next closest vehicle is the civic touring, which is down on power, torque and displacement. With current pricing and intrrest rates, the touring is still more then my ilx and i loose my dct. Hoping interest rates go down over the next 18 months.
This is such a fun comparison!
I wish the RS3 came in a manual. Id be buying it tomorrow.
You can have one put in at a shop for like 5 grand.
im 20 with my s3 and absolutely love it, but I totally get why others would go for the acura or honda. I'll always go for the s3 though
GREAT VIDEO!!
Thanks so much for this comparison guys
Great comparison and content guys . Enjoyed it much . Thx
I have an S3 and a Type R. Love both. Drive the Type R when I want a more focused and engaged driving experience. Drive the S3 when I want to chill or the weather is bad. S3 is faster for sure.
The Honda's will outlast the Audi two times over ..
That Audi has the EA888, VWs engine. Those things are more reliable than the badge tells you otherwise.
Yes the Honda will still outlast it doe, but you underestimate the VW i mean Audi.
@@android175it’s not the engine most of us are worried about. It’s the plastic cooling system components, it’s the transmission, it’s the electronic modules that end up becoming constant problems after the warranty expires. Just like all other German brands, VW went from making durable cars to disposable crap. They’re only good if you lease them and turn them it at 60k miles.
@@ROVA00 had a GTI for 120k miles, but i know thats anecdotal and makes me biased. Ur not totally wrong but ill give you that i think today they are more reliable than they were just a few years ago.
@@android175 I guess i can only speak from personal experience and anecdotes. If they were all so terrible they wouldn’t be as popular as they are within car enthusiasts. I’ve also had bad luck with Subarus. Ironically, the Mercedes I had been the most reliable I’ve had so far. I would love to say my old 98 integra and 96 civic were the noise realiable, but I got them each for under $2000 with a lot of miles and things broke down constantly in both.
@@ROVA00 Subarus are terrible lmao. I would say worse than VW. 😭
From an enthusiast perspective my GTI was very reliable even under heavy modding, but my friends subarus engines kept blowing up when modded 😭
The Type S would be my choice but without a red interior. However, since the Type S and R are demanding a 5 to 10K mark up it would definitely be the S3 for me in that awesome blue. I just wish they made a manual version as you mentioned. All 3 are awesome cars! I still haven't seen the Type R or Type S in person! Thanks for another high quality production!
I've heard about these markups for years. When I bought my TLX type S, I told the dealer I'm not paying any markups and they said everyone gets the same price, which is MSRP. I ended up paying like 3200 less than msrp. If I was shopping for another car I would do exactly the same thing. If you don't pay it, they can't get it. Very simple.
@@MikeYurbasovich see, that's the RIGHT way to go about it. But then you have idiots and sheep that WILL pay for these overpriced, marked up vehicles, and turn right around and bitch about it whilst having ZERO self awareness that THEY are the problem. It's hilarious. These companies can ramp up the greed cause there're stupid people that'll pay any price for their new toy.
@@MikeYurbasovichThe market is cooling, but the mark-ups are still real in some markets. A year ago when I was car shopping in Southern California, there were no negotiating tactics that would enable you to walk out of a Socal dealership with a CTR or Integra (base model A-spec at the time) at MSRP or below. I walked out of multiple dealerships.
@afreiden If I was you, I'd go to another state.
I just checked the biggest Acura dealership in Colorado and they have ZERO Type S'.Its appears this car is just a mirage. It probably doesn't even exist.@@MikeYurbasovich
Dealers killed new NSX and killing both versions type S and type R...but many type R owners don't know to soften ride is simply changing suspension module to type S. Imagine if Honda did 10 speed auto and Sh-awd??? So, really, which is better for what they are? Both Honda/Acura
the ITS ads module is on backorder, so gg
10spd auto and Sh-awd? Get a TSX.
Finally someone who mentions accurate prices instead of the msrp
I was thinking about getting something to replace my Focus RS, but then I had to drive to an out of town wedding this past weekend in Blackwater Falls, WV. It ate up those smooth mountain roads, switchbacks and all, like they were nothing. It was amazing, and now I’m thinking I’ve already got the perfect car for me. Maybe. 😂
Thanks!
I think the previous S3 looked better, but I am biased. I would definitely get another (since I'll probably miss out on an available/affordable RS3), though I'd be interested to test drive a type-s when it comes time...
Fantastic job on the editing Todd!
Lots of great help from Chance here as well!
The S3 is for people who daily their cars in traffic, ie the real world for many of us. It is hands down the easiest to live with.
The Type S is still great in normal life, not as comfortable as the Audi, but much more sporting to drive.
The Type R is for people who will spend more time on the track than roads. Definitely for enthusiasts only if you plan on DD the thing.
"It's like sitting in a hug." Brilliant.
Seems like 6MT turbo sport sedans might be an end of an era in less than 10 years. I started out as a Honda fan and upgraded to Acura (current rides 18 RLX Sport Hybrid & 19 MDX Adv Sport Hybrid). The extra luxury touches of the Acura, 4yr/50,000 mile basic warranty, 6yr/70,000 mile powertrain, and +200,000 miles of reliability with only scheduled maintenance is top on my list.
been looking forward to this comparison.
Got my champion white R for 44K or msrp. No adders. Just $240 fee for plates. Have to look around. Took it home and swapped the ADM module from the S to my R. Zero issues. Many have done it. Rides great and faster around the track. It’s now a type S commuter with better seats that can be tracked or enjoyed driving hard. Saved $8k. BTW my local Acura dealer wanted $5K over msrp. Told him get lost. Shopped the R and found it next state over. Check the dealer network of Acura? One in 75 miles away for me. Honda dealers are like Walmarts.
I really liked my S3 and I modified the heck out of it, but just couldn't love it without a manual trans. Sold it, and got a GR Corolla which has a lot fewer features, no luxury, is a lot cruder and a lot slower but more fun which at the end of the day is what I wanted. If they would give me a manual and ditch the moonroof, I'd go back in a heartbeat.
Keep up the amazing work!
The new Type R is just so good looking. They really nailed the stance and styling of the car. And I even like the wing!
Wonderful as always Boys!
You two are the best in the biz. Thanks for another incredible video with fantastic content. I can tell you guys just love cars, and you especially love amazing driving dynamic and engagement which I admire in you. THANK YOU for acknowledging the reality of the market for these cars - so many automotive journalists rip on the Type S for having a $7K higher MSRP than the Type R. But that’s not what is happening for sale prices. I just bought a Type S for less than the average selling price of the Type R.
I have a car problem and was dumb to sell a FK8 Type R in my past, but you guys nailed it - the Type R too hardcore for daily use (and too rough of a suspension that upsets the wife). After a month in my Type S, all I can say is Wow the Type S is incredible and truly has a different vibe from the Type R yet it leaves me missing nothing on the performance side.
You’ve given us huge compliments here, and were grateful our work resonates with you! Thank you for watching and congrats on your Type S!
Todd made a great point. These cars need to be a blend of track/weekend and daily driver. We want something fun that we can drive every day. If we are looking for a weekender/track car, bring in a used m2 comp or a 981 Cayman S to compare to. But if we are comparing daily hot hatches, let’s focus on the things that make a daily hot hatch great.
Awesome video! you guys are always so creative with your choices of vehicles in comparison pieces! Must admit that I would have put the Type R first because of its looks, but I wouldn't complain about any of these cars. Great job Paul and Todd!
Got my CTR for MSRP and it’s becoming more common as 24 MY hit the dealers. I’m surprised no one mentioned the cheap ass looking bolted/press on fender door flares in the ITS.
If you hate the ride of the CTR, you can spend $220 and get the ITS active suspension control module. 10 min DIY and you can get better dampening.
I like them. Reminds me the FK8 🤷🏻♂️
Would have been interesting to have a Golf R here. Firstly comparing the ‘siblings’ of each brand. Finding the better option and comparing those.
My wife's daily driver is a 2020 Civic Si. Considering the Integra Type S for her next car. I've driven a friend's Civic Type R, and it is the best FWD car I've ever driven, and I've been driving for 40 years, been autocrossing for 20+ years in FWD, AWD, and RWD cars. The Civic Type R is a great car, but if I'm spending that much for a track toy, its going to be RWD. The CTR is a little too brutal for daily driver and long trip duty (we take multiple 1000+ mile road trips every year), but the slightly softer Integra should fit the bill nicely for us.
That type S exhaust note sounds so pleasing to my ears.😁
I couldn't agree more with your assessment regarding drive wheels and tires. My wife and I live in the Great Lakes snowbelt of Southwestern Ontario and we daily a 2014 Civic EX 5MT and a 2021 GMC Canyon Elevation Duramax 2WD. We often get criticized for factory ordering a 2WD truck in the snowbelt but with our Michelin X-Ice tires on the truck (and Goodyear WinterCommands on the car) we can plow through anything the Great Lakes throw at us. We have kept a running total of the number of times we could have used 4WD in our truck and we're sitting at 5 times in 3 years and even in those situations, we got through with 2WD so 4WD just isn't worth the $5k premium to us.
Honda made the right choice with these cars by sticking with FWD and their development efforts have paid off. If we were replacing our Civic today we'd probably get an Si, but the Type-S is the dream for sure.
Great review, but you should amend the graphics at the end on the S4?
Once it’s uploaded we can’t change anything, TH-cam doesn’t allow reuploads with revised versions at the same link. And they really don’t like a new link of the same thing. So, we have to live with the typo. Thanks for watching close.
Does not detract from an otherwise excellent episode@@EverydayDriver
2:24 why are you saying VW? It’s not like it is with Acura, where Honda is its parent owner. Audi started decades before VW came about. Porsche and Audi may use elements from their family but they are all individual cars. VW only deserves recognition when it is a VW car, vice-versa🤷♂️
What you didn't explore are the real track experience of the S and R... You'd be surprised to learn the Type S actually matches and outperforms the Type R... You get the best of both worlds with the Type S, with a tip to refinement.
Absolutely love the type S and will probably buy one in the future. I think my biggest complaints are heated steering wheel (paid upgrade), no cooled seats, no ambient lighting and no type c ports in the rear.
They should really have all of this at that price point
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS exactly!
Very thorough, thank you. For me--Acura, do to "perceived quality" issues. It may or not be accurate, but I would feel more confident out the door in Honda manufacturing. I love German cars, but doubt their "trouble free" nature. Maybe they ARE as good, but back to perception, that comes from ownership experience AND, reputation. See, no matter how good Audi's ARE, they have not earned the reputtion over many years that Acura/Honda enjoy.
You should come to europe and compare those japanese machines with cupra leon 300 and golf gti clubsport (which are both the same car). 300 hp 2.0 tsi engine and fwd. They are a blast to drive. Too bad we don't have acura type s over here. It looks gorgeous.
That would be a cool comparison! I'm from Saskatchewan, Canada. Manual cars are a treat over here. They are disappearing and hard to come by, even cars in general are getting to be less common. Half ton trucks rule the market over here, no manual options in any new half ton in Canada. I'd love to get some more euro options over here for hot hatches, but they would never sell unfortunately.
Awesome comparison, always look forward to your videos! Love the Type S/R and what Honda is doing with them. Was car hunting recently for a commuter companion to my 6th gen ZL1. Had an allocation reserved for a Type S as soon as they came out, but ultimately could not convince the wife to drive a stick… We considered RS3 but ended up going BMW and ordering an m340ix after a couple test drives with both. Can definitely agree with the video (in my experience) that the quattro FWD biased AWD in the Audis doesn’t feel quite right and really leans towards understeering where as the xdrive systems with the RWD biased AWD in the BMWs felt much better with their tendency to lean more towards oversteer first. Plus how can you argue with the B58, it’s just a joke at this point lol
The type s/r will surprise you with their fwd dynamics, try driving one. You won't be disappointed!
@@CJ-gh4eh I have! Drove a friend’s CTR, that’s what convinced me to get an allocation on the S as soon as they came available from my local dealer. They are great cars no doubt. But unfortunately the manual being the only option was the dealbreaker for my partner as we needed a car for the both of us. Would love to see a great fast auto like the modern BMW ZFs or Audis DCT system as an option but totally understandable why that’s not in the cards for the Type S/R.
@@Triptisim Same, wish they had an automatic version for either Type S/R.
Great video as usual and nice insights on each car. I appreciate your work and efforts! The Type R certainly has the dealer mark-ups as you state (5k-10k). However, I believe that the Type S also has them from what I have seen and this might push the entry price close to the 60k+ range. Thus, you must consider that "step-up" in price if one intends to buy the Type S. Also, I would guess that the Type R is for a younger buyer demographic than the Type S buyer who would tend to be older and not want the "racer" image that the car projects ....
FYI front track wider than the rear is basically how every single FWD car is, but anyway...respect for the latest gen Civic platform, not sure the Integra pricing is right for most of the models and I wouldn't pay markup for anything from Honda or Acura but otherwise everything on this platform is pretty darn great. And I've been a VW/Audi guy forever! Haldex dynamically doesn't offer a lot, pretty much just allows you to chase your throttle and abuse the traction out of corners, otherwise feels FWD, but it's like FWD+.
Great video! All are great cars!
I respectfully disagree with you about the tires. Yes the tires make a huge huge difference but when you combine it with the Quattro you have something else. The front wheel only will not be able to compete with the Quattro.
Speed does not equal fun dynamics. I have driven a mk 7.5 R, FL5 and Type S. The Germans can do speedy but the Japanese know driver engagement. Of course there is a different product for everyone but the natural feel of the Honda products despite being so modern is so hard to beat.
If it's snowing out, I know which one will be the most fun 😂
@@dubsessed9790 fortunately I get to live somewhere where I don’t have to worry about that choice, so I completely understand that perspective.
Just realized Giulia Veloces are going for $45k. As much as I like the ITS and manual transmission, for 10 grand less I would go for the Alfa no question…
I'm a 43 year old lawyer sitting in gridlock in SoCal on my way to courthouses all over the place. I've got a BMW M240i with (sadly) the 8AT, but I would absolutely 100% daily the CTR and feel like a kid in the 90's reading Sport Compact Car again.
I deliver mail, stop and go and I do it in a manual car, MAN UP! 😂
Had a civic si for a year (sold it to get a gr86). The lsd didn’t eliminate torque steer and I find it really hard to believe that the CTR or the Acura could hold back significantly more torque than my civic si had.
Find it amusing that the lightweight in this comparison is 3,200lbs. I’ll take my gr86 at 2,833lbs
They have less torque steer because of the dual axis strut suspension. I recall when the previous CTR came out, the auto journos were flooring it with their hands off the wheel and the car just went strait!
I'll take my 98 stick Sentra at 2300.
The Audi is not even an option for me that Auto is boring. I got myself a Type S and it drives like a charm.
I own both and they are both great cars. You’re missing out if you think you’re too cool for a dual clutch
@ I mean I believe you I have driven a S3 before it’s great and all but I rather shift my own gears.