Most type s buyers are not going to track this car. The exterior and interior design, tech, comfort and MSRP are more important. I think Acura did a great job with this package.
I just picked my Type S up 3 weeks ago. I love it so far. I don't want my car to be oversteer on highway ramps. It looks much better than any competitors. And still faster then 80% of cars on the road. And not many Type S Tlx running araund in town. I'm happy with my decision.
From the perspective of someone who has owned a 4th gen Acura TL with SH-AWD for 7 years, I was puzzled by the attempts in the video to get the car to turn in better by trying to defeat SH-AWD, rather than by taking advantage of it. This system will apply 70% of available torque to the rear wheels under acceleration, and up to 100% of that to the outside rear wheel in a turn. In my experience, the best way I get my TL to turn in more is to give it MORE throttle in the middle of a turn. An SH-AWD car is not going to fishtail like a RWD car (which is caused by drivetrain torque and lateral acceleration overpowering available tire grip), so don’t try to force it to. My TL is dimensionally about the same, has a shorter wheelbase, and weighs about the same as the current TLX. It will turn with other cars considerably smaller than it is.
Also own a 4th gen tl and was thinking the same thing. The idea is for the car to not slide right??? The SHAWD redirects torque so you can tuck it in nice and smooth then power out as it adapts the torque for the appropriate wheels. He was getting so mad that the car wasnt spinning out which to me seems like a good thing.... Ive thrown my car around turns pretty hard and it just refuses to slide even a little. Allows me to power out of the turn no issue. Not sure what his frustration was about
The idea here is he wants to get this thing to misbehave. Easy to drive plus underpowered can tend to be boring for these guys. They drive performance cars on the limit all the time. Also, a car tends to become less sporty if there is no challenge in driving it fast. At least to some.
@@LockdownuG great points you made...question is what % of buyers that will purchase this car will track it, even the models he mentions...they most likely will engage in street racing.
Hear hear, 2019 V6 SH-AWD and I have no intention of tracking it as it’s my daily driver and when I do push it you push harder in the corner to get that all wheel drive to bias to the rear AND IT GOES LIKE ITS ON RAILS. This is true that he can’t get it to break looose - go ahead and pull the fuse again 😅🤣🤣
These guys are some of the most informative & honest guys on YT. Very thorough on a cars specs & always brutally honest on a cars flaws & pros. I had the same opinions about this car as these guys.
@@mutualdecline2174 I agree. They built the hype on this car like no other. Then to hit the price point they did and not have features in this car like it should but ultimately the weight of this car is holding it back. A good amount probably has to do with the double wishbone suspension if I had to make a guess
@@AP-wu1rv More than likely used and personally I’m not a fan of BMWs. They seem to be quite a bit touchy when it comes to maintenance vs most other offerings.
The Type S is a good-looking ride and white is a great match for its body. Thanks for the Stinger comparison mentions. It's a car that's totally underrated and apparently on its way out 2022.
The TLX is heavier and slower but the on road presence is huge compared to the other cars in the group. It looks so wide and low and the paint colors they offer really stand out.
Another example of Honda not smashing it out of the park when they had the chance. In this class of of entry level sport sedan it's all about bragging rights. Offer something that stands out. Most Tech Most Power Most Speed Most Value You absolutely need to nail ONE of these to even have a chance.
This. All this. BMW has speed and power locked down as of now. Mercedes interior tech is good. Audi had speed off the line, and good tech as well. The Stinger/G70 can at least hang with the Germans in most areas but undercut them hard, so they get the value win. Even the Q50 RS has the most advertised crank HP. The Type S brings.. What to the table?
@@dc5fallout How does that have anything to do with reliability? Lexus/Toyota literally make the most reliable cars in the market, unlike Acura which had notorious CVT failures in 2014-2018
@@AI-qd4vb Please explain to me how I'd "argue wrongly"? Did you forget that Acura had a massive recall for their CVT transmissions in 2015? Also the IS not only has a comparable trim but a much better trim than the type-s in the IS500 f-sport, it would literally wipe the floor with the type-s since its not only faster with its V8 but way more reliable.
@@rpgvag I think he was referring to the Accord 2.0T Sport, but not sure. Even the Accord out runs the base TLX. I saw Sam's race this morning. Was happy to see the TLX Type S finally win a race, even if it's competition was a lesser version of it's self.
@@brianrainey2739 I would probably buy the Accord Sport 2.0T and not even walk into the Acura dealership to be honest. Lighter, more interior/cargo space, and with a tune, probably quicker than the TL Type S. I don't plan on tracking it, so I'm sure the handling would be more than adequate on the street. Probably wouldn't even need a tune.
im glad you guys offer such honesty. I think acura/honda being the way they typically are don't put an emphasis on speed/power, I'm interested to see how this holds up in the next 5-7 years compared to its competitors.
Lowest power in its class Heaviest in its class A l m o s t smallest rear seats in its class 1 Foot longer than all its competitors Worst fuel economy in its class Marked up $10,000 at all dealerships No thanks Big hat no cattle 😴
@The Insufferable Tool it’s also hilarious how the car is based on the Accord platform, yet has legroom comparable to the Civic 😂 it’s so dumb how little legroom is has
@@OrionTripp oh mb, thought this generation was also based on 10th Gen accord, but I think this TLX has very similar exterior dimensions to the Accord, but it’s lacking a lot with leg room in comparison to the Accord
Thank you James - if you "own" the car, you don't have to look for push button shifting. You also will never confuse the rotary transmission for the volume knob. Or anything else. You get used to anything.
I still don't like the way Lincoln does their shifters. They placed it too close to the infotainment system. They should have just kept a rotary shifter in the center of the car, just like every other Ford (except the trucks and the Bronco).
I own a 2023, and I can say that I am very happy with it. I am a long-time Honda fan, and I can tell you that this doesn't drive like an old integra or civic. It does have a lot to offer when you spend a little time with it and learn what it is good at. It handles extremely well, especially if you are applying power through corners. Understeer is completely neutralized in this setting. The steering is quick and precise. If you are approaching a decreasing radius turn, then it feels a little nose heavy in these situations. The transmission is excellent when left in automatic mode in sport plus. It stays in the right gear and makes great sounds. It is pretty quick too. Obviously, an m340 is faster!! I am impressed with the brakes for Back Road blasts. Track work would overheat them. The seats are excellent. Supportive, comfortable, and grippy. Seat ventilation is a great feature. The stereo is clear and has a nice full sound. It might be a little bass heavy with certain music. I personally love the looks. Wide and low never went out of style. It feels like it is more expensive than it is. All the switches have a quality feel. The engine sounds expensive and refined. There is the promise of low running costs, which can't be underestimated. Cars are depreciating assets, and expensive repairs will affect your long-term term financial position. Now, to be fair, we are still talking about an expensive purchase. If we were all and little smarter and a little more practical, we would drive Camrys!
Glad to see an honest review of a car, not just talking about all the positives, sucking up to the owner/dealership. This kind of honesty, along with your comedy and knowledge of cars makes you guys one of the best channels in my opinion 🙌🏼
There’s no value proposition either, dealerships by me in NJ are charging $10,000 over sticker putting it right in line with the German competition. It’s hard to see why anyone would pick this over them.
I agree. A dealer told me $58,825 before taxes. I laughed & said I'd rather grab a Mercedes C43 or BMW M340I for that price because it's pretty much the same price
@@drod6203 They're going for 63k in my state & on every car I have ever bought, I always get at least a couple hundred off the sticker price. I have no interest in buying the Type S. In May, I sold my 2020 Toyota Avalon TRD in anticipation of buying the Type S. Thought it was dumb to put down a deposit without driving it myself first & throwing out my chance to negotiate the price so I waited. Drove it after July 4th & knew right there that it was by far the slowest in the segment. I drove every car in the segment except the M340i & cadillac CT5v. Also, Acura said back in May that they're only building 2000 units in the US so for those who till this day continue to place orders, they won't get theirs till about Dec or next yr. I'm only guessing but I know a guy who put his order in back in may & he's still waiting. After driving the Type S that's when the manager told me about the markup, little did he know, I wasn't interested after driving it so it could've been at msrp & I wasn't gonna buy it.
Wait until Hondata drops along with all of the other performance mods. People will build monsters out of this car. I estimate that $10k wisely spent will easily get you over the 500hp mark.
Yeah wait until Hondata drops a tune so you can throw your powertrain warranty out the window so you can barely keep up with the rest of the competitors in its class 🥴
I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite saddened by this review, :(. My family just picked up the Type S only a couple of weeks ago in the blue color, it was the most exciting thing for me of this year so far with everything going on. And I've loved it so far. I won't lie haven't got an opportunity to take it to Cayuga or any track to see what it can do yet. I am a Honda Fanboy, built a 9th gen civic si for the track myself, and fell in love with this car when it was announced. This video was a fairly uncomfortable pill to swallow and I sort of felt this empty feeling in my stomach when I saw how little joy it gave you. I was waiting for this video to come out so my dad and I could watch it together, as (You guys are the only TH-cam Channel I trust to be as honest as the original top gear). That's the power you guys have on die-hard car enthusiasts like us, a review like this was enough to steal some magic away from the car that hasn't even lost its new car smell in our garage yet. Everything aside though, I've religiously watched this channel since the days of the E46 to now, You are my favorite channel on youtube and I really hope I bump into you guys sometime at an event in Toronto. I don't ever comment on videos but felt compelled on a personal level today to speak and to thank you for the effort you put into the quality of your work. It never fails to leave an impression, keep up the amazing work.
Enjoy the car man! Amazing car. Just not a track car.. but really who tf tracks these kinds of cars? It’s a good daily with decent power and looks really good and handles amazing
@ You are be glad it can’t even beat a Honda Accord 2.0TT it’s Nice 👍 but it lacks Power it even got beat by a K5 GT KIA, you might as well get a BMW 440i, I hate Acura Type S sucks but The Japanese didn’t do their Home Work very well on The Car, they let a lot of People down on this Car but the performance and hp sucks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the candid review gents. Based on commentary from other journalists this was a driver's car. I can't believe the car is 4200lbs! The BMW M340i and S4(with sport diff) are my picks.
You guys NAILED the review. I had high hopes for the Type S but Acura came up short like Thomas indicated. Horsepower being its biggest let down followed by the handling set up and brand of tires that come stock on this car. The good news for Acura is I own two other cars (RDX & TL) which I absolutely love ❤️. The Type S won’t be showcased in my driveway anytime soon unfortunately.
Kinda funny/interesting to see how different people interpret different cars. Everything they said about the Type S here is completely opposite of what Matt Farah had to say about it. Most reviews on this car have been very positive. This is the second I've seen that has been negative. And I THINK I lean towards the positive because A) I've driven one and thought it was nice and B) As soon as Thomas said "We're on the track because: Type S" he instantly indicated a lack of understanding what Type S cars are about. They're not track cars. That's what the Type-Rs are for. The "S" and "R" literally stand for "Street" and "Race", respectively. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I think they went into this with inappropriate expectations.
I like How honest ur review is on the car,I'm a big honda fan I feel disappointed, mainly saw this video because I wanted to see how the type s performs since I'm interested in the mdx type s
Its a good car... but the price makes it hard to accept. In that price range there is just more exciting options, but i do trust it to be on the road in 20 years and that ELS 3d is great.
I doubt that any of these cars will be on the road in 20 years the cost to maintain the turbos and an AWD system are prohibitive. These are lease and dispose cars.
@@ismailkhan9698 maybe for you, my friend is still driving his 1995 Celica... it is all about the type of person you are. People who take good care of their cars manage to get incredible mileage out of them and Honda knows how to build cars to last.
This is the only channel that claims this car does not handle well at the limit. Everyone else is in awe of the handling from what i can tell. Still appreciate your reviews and top production.
At first I thought, “I wish Acura got more love.” However, then I realized, “I wish Acura *DESERVED* more love.” Because right now, they really don’t. Lexus and Acura are resting their laurels too heavily on their "projected" reliability marketing, while neglecting the fact that their price tags are still too high for performance that is so low. IN A PERFORMANCE SEDAN SEGMENT. This is why BMW, Audi, Lexus, Mercedes, and Genesis are seemingly thriving right now: their products can actually amaze sometimes. Meanwhile Acura, Infiniti, Alfa Romeo, and Jaguar don’t look quite as hot in sales.
With Honda/Acura you get reliability- Acura takes that to another level with luxury/sport. This Type S is kind of a letdown. Look at cars like the Civic Type R, Accord 2.0T. Even past cars like 2007 TL Type S, RSX Type S. Those are still legendary til this day. Lexus and Toyota are boring. Except the ISF. LC, and BMW and Mercedes are German junk that’s hella expensive and hella more expensive to fix. Genesis. No thanks.
@@EricTheGreat508 these Japanese luxury brands are just as expensive to repair. Most parts like adaptive cruise lane keep assist etc are outsourced from 3rd party manufacturers. Lexus is still very reliable but Acura has slipped recently and is only okay reliability wise. The design is unique but the cost is comparable to its rivals while the comfort and performance is not. I honestly think a fully loaded Accord or Camry will full the desires of a prospective TLX type S buyer just as well with better reliability and a far more reasonable price tag at the expense of a little bit of performance and a little bit of luxury. But most people gushing about the Type S want it because it's a Type S not because it's objectively good at anything other than existing and chugging gas. All the adulation this car gets is nostalgia and pantomime from what I've seen.
What a huge fail by Acura. Leading us on for a year or more with the promise of the Type S returning... And then it's a huge let down. Keep up with your competition Acura.
The NSX was ahead of its time in my opinion. Now when all your exotics are starting to make hybrid power trains, Acura did one in a time where no one wanted one. At this point for what it is, it is overpriced, it needs to be a budget supercar.
@@TheMoltenM NSX was criticized for having a hybrid system back then now even Ferrari have announced that they’re heading to 100% hybrid lineup in 2025
@@TheMoltenM The NSX kept up with or out paced its competition in a straight line. Go watch carwow's NSX races, it beat the AMG GTR and Nissan GTR. 0-60 in 2.9 secs, with a brutal launch control system.
Yeah this car is a major fail to me. Ever since it’s conception. And like you said, Acura hyped this up SO much. I wouldn’t take this over any of its competitors. Not even an IS. Comparing this to the IS300 isn’t fair. Comparing this to an IS500, it’s true competitor, results in a slaughter.
as much as I hate the new/fake Type S, the IS 500 is probably going to cost $10k to $15k more. Fully loaded, an IS 350 F Sport is within a couple thousand of a fully loaded Type S (as all Type Ses are fully loaded), so that seems to be the logical place for comparison, and that's a fight the Type S will win in terms of performance.
@@elenchus I’m a little more optimistic. A base RC cost more than a base IS. $42,000 vs $39,000. Or about $3,000 more. A “base” RC-F rings in at $65,000. And that’s with several performance options that the IS500 will lack. A base BMW M340i is about $55,000 and a Base IS350 F Sport with the handing package is $47,000. The IS500 is based off the IS350 with the handling package and Lexus basically drops in a V8… Logic would conclude that the IS500 will be ringing in at anywhere around $56,000, give or take $995. It won’t be cheap, but it certainly won’t be nearly $70,000 as it is not based off a fully loaded IS350 as your implying. By Lexus’ own admissions the IS500 is not a full blown F model, so it doesn’t make much sense to price it above a full blown F model, especially one that cost more in base trim (RC). At a base price of $56,000 for the IS500 and $52,000 for the TLX, the TLX is dead on arrival. I’m sorry, but I’ll happily lay the $4,000 premium.
A similarly equipped M340i or C43 is over $15k more expensive in Canada. The Type S in terms of *pricing* is closer to a similarly equipped 330i, which the Acura would smoke.
@@TheBreakfastLover would much rather get a year old M340i, C43 or S4. Even a V6 G70. The Acura starts with the wrong formula and can’t overcome its flaws.
@@TheBreakfastLover I know there are deals to be had on C43 and M340 so the pricing probably isn’t terribly different. I think it’s worth spending a few thousand extra anyway for the German competition as they’re more complete packages.
As someone with a 2008 TL type s I was kinda disappointed with this new version. However all the TH-cam reviews were hyping it up to the point where I felt like maybe I was being stupid and too selective, but I'm glad you guys reviewed this and I feel like I'm sane again.
Yea, it is disappointing. It seems the only real reason to get a TLX over a maxed out accord is SH-AWD… The Touring Accord is faster, has a nice interior, costs like 60% of this, and has a much more useable trunk and rear seat.
This car is not even a good sports sedan I mean... not even a good luxury car either. No power in the rear seat? wtf? The G70 backseat is laughable still way more luxurious than the Type S. This car is not good at anything.
Yeah, I have to agree with you. They let a lot of fans down with this one. We waited for well over a decade for the Type S to come back and we got a car that is seriously behind in a lot of categories.
I was shopping for a new car earlier this year and I was waiting for this one to come out. I like German cars but they're a bit expensive to buy and to maintain, and the Type S looked like it could compete. A bit cheaper, a bit less performance, better expected reliability. Then they announced the price. I bought a Stinger instead.
Well all those competitor cars are as expensive. They ain't them analog Hondas with electric distributors and plug in spark plugs people think they still are. You want luxury and performance? Pay luxury and performance prices. If you really want the bmw or Mercedes just get it, the warranty is fair and the after market is very wide and parts are shared among the models and you can find a personal tech anywhere. Best of all, the cars are pretty reliable. The cars aren't as expensive as people think they are.
Stinger? Wasn’t Kia giving away cars like 15 years ago? I can’t think of that company and not think crap. Maybe I am wrong- never driven one. Just my association with the brand. Maybe I am behind the times I am almost 40.
I get car and phone videos reviews but 95% of most buyers could care less about 99% of what these guys who do a great job in their reviews even talk about. As long as your ride gets you from point A to B...we are so good.
Just watched another video where they drag raced the type s against the aspec. The type s was considerably faster. I’m not sure they really benchmarked any other cars in its class. They just improved upon what they had a little. For what it is it’s good, it’s just not going to match up well against other cars in its class. If you like the Tlx and thought "I wish it was faster " then you’ll like the type s, but performance wise it’s not going to hold up well against rivals.
Okay, so maybe it's not as performance oriented as the Type S badging suggests. But I still think it's a handsome sedan with a lot to like. For long-term ownership, this would likely be a great car.
Enjoy the review; heated rear seats are not available on that version; but they are available on lower trim levels. Sometimes the Japanese really are inscrutable
This is the problem with the car, trying to cater to people like you. This is the type S, its supposed to be fast. Literally its only job is to be fast. Instead they wanted to appease everyone by making it ultra safe, comfortable, bloated with tech, predictable, and easy for stacey to drive to the supermarket. Look at the previous type-s acuras and how insane they handled. Asking for stuff like 16 way adjustable heated rear seat ass massagers is how we got stuck with a bloated car like this. Would have been 1000% better if they just focused on performance IMO.
@@samuelrizzari994 you are insane. The previous generation didn't handle that well either; it understeered even worse than this one. Try to let reality into your world once in a while. Go buy a lotus Elise
I have a white on black 2007 Acura TL Type-S with 41,000 original miles in perfect stock condition. It’s the nicest body design ever made by Acura! Even the interior looks way ahead of its time!
Love that car. I have a black one. They are great cars. It 180k miles on it and still runs great. Haven't even replaced anything yet as there is no need to!
@Sean Rienzo bro Kia has NOTHING on Merc or Audi interior. I know someone who bought a new Forte and had complete engine failure after 30 thousand miles
I own one and knew what I was getting long before I got it so there's no regrets here. But your review is spot on. Acura hyped and marketed it to be something it is not almost to a point of false advertising. It has a lot of things I like about it. Very comfortable, stereo is good not great, but good. Infotainment is a disaster, reverse camera's are an embarrassment. I want to smack the moron designer in the face for the shifter and where they put it. Price wise I don't think it is a great deal when you have a Stinger with much more tech, and better tech at near 7 grand less in Canada. G70 also cheaper. Factor in interest rates on that 340 vs Acura's interest rates and it too isn't that far off, I know, I almost got one. So once again, Acura held back, the bean counters probably ruined the original vision of this car, they Hyped it to no end and failed to deliver. I don't think it is worthy of the Type S badge, There I said it. Not this day and age. Maybe 10 years ago. But it needs another 40HP at least, and while it looks to have a good starting point for the mod'ing community with forged internals, that's not the point and I'm not remotely interested in mod'ing it. It's a Type S, they advertised it to be a S4 competitor and well, it's not. BTW, I'm not 100% convinced you launched properly with launch control against that S4 but it doesn't matter because it's not going to catch it anyways. At least you guys listened about disabling the stability control properly this time lol. As always, great video. It's gorgeous, especially with skirts on it, a great daily although mpg sucks, and a great highway cruiser - just realize there's no spare tire....again.
The most BRUTALLY HONEST testimonial I've ever seen on a car. I Salut u. Yea man I agree, I knew what it was before it's debut. I had a hard time believing that this car can beat the S4. Why? Because if so, Acura would've been all over that on the airwaves & Acura never came out with a 0-60 time, even after it's debut which is almost unheard of when talking performance cars. Then the weight, it's too heavy for a single twin scroll turbocharged V6. U need a twin turbo or a V8 to move that weight quickly.
Thanks for the honesty first of all but while reading your comment I kept waiting for the “but!” that never came. Why did you get the car then? I’d love to hear what sold you on this compared to the competition.
The Acura fanboys need hear this. You are being totally honest. I’ve seen some think rationally and see the car for what it is. But majority are still in denial it’s really crazy. You got balls bro💯
@@Tsand4 as a ‘Acura fanboy’I approve of this comment. It shouldn’t have to be this way tho, they failed us, they embarrassed us. I hope they don’t screw up on the nsx type s/ type r, I don’t think there is much to screw up on there tho, it’s already a fast car but we’ll see. I hope Acura cuts the crap on the refresh/redesign. We need a competitive sport sedan to be proud of. I hope the is 500 goes well for Lexus
@@sonnyzhao2309 They have never made a V8. They were designing one for the first time but Obama's MPG war convinced them that V8's where not the way to go. Honestly I'm really dissapointed that honda never made a V8 outside of an F1 car. With current technology they should be able to make one with decent MPG by having the valve shutoff in certan driving situations like what the corvette engine does and other V8's by other manufacturer's. I also believe Toyota should update the tech in their V8's instead of dropping them for V6's. But now they want to go full EV which sucks.
Bought the wife an MDX a few months ago and saw the standard TLX at the dealerships and was excited to see how this would stack up to our Stinger GT. Not well is the answer. It's not a bad car, it's actually pretty nice and maybe 3-5 years ago it would be very impressive. Everyone seems to have discovered how to manufacture horsepower from thin air the last few years....300HP for a V8 was outstanding not that long ago....sub-6 sec 0-60 times are still quick.....but the field is in the mid to low 4 sec, better handling, and with more backseat space. Honda/Acura are not stupid; they know how to design a car, but how the hell do you make a car like a foot longer and lose backseat space? The other thing that drives me crazy with Acura is that you have to choose between all of the convenience and luxury features and a sport package. I want all the bells and whistles AND the performance. I want leather seats...no inserts. I don't want the colors, but I want the engine. I want the 360 camera. I don't like being forced to choose. The point of a car like this is that I can have it all at a price point that undercuts the Europeans and gives me a pretty damn close experience day to day....I don't need the track day performance, but if I want to get a little silly on a backroad it should do something...jeez.
@@layne4376 I'm gonna have to disagree on the "vastly better built part" based on two years of ownership. It's held up extremely well and between my 2022 MDX and the Stinger there is no discernable difference in build quality from materials to fit and finish. I don't own stock in either company and I really don't care what you or anyone else buy, but I do disagree with your comment. The TLX may handle better based on more time with the MDX and the SH-AWD and the double wishbone suspension that they both have. It's legit and I bet in a smaller vehicle it's something else. We don't keep cars longer than 2 years in my house. The Stinger is almost at that point and the wife and I just haven't found anything that we would rather have.
Ahaha i really digged the AoEmpires reference. It really does sound like that! Great job as always guys. You never fail to deliver even though the cars do.
Thank you for giving a completely honest review. I think other reviewers are told they can't give a negative or slightly unfavorable review which is completely lying to the public to increase the manufacturer and dealership sales. You do not do that and we thank you. I think Acura completely missed the opportunity to create a fantastic car when they decided to upgrade the TL to the TLX and then have too many versions of it.
15:40 disagree that you need a touchscreen. All complaints of the previous generation accord and such were that everything was touch screen and bring back the radio knob. Now they found a solution to not be reaching for a screen but get the touch interface with you hand in place and everyone is knocking it. It’s super simple to use . I got use to it after a week . Way faster than I learned the I-drive and got comfortable back years ago.
Great review as usual Throttle House.. I can forgive less-than-favorable track results, because it’s not a track car, and I think we all know that. But I do wish it competed better.
Holy crap! I was debating between this and the Bronco. Even though I'm waiting on the Bronco, I'm glad I didn't make a mistaken investment into the TLX Type S. Thank you for doing the homework for me! Edit: Holy crap! An Age of Empires reference. You guys rock!
I still would go for the acura. It's not American, is fantastic outside of a race track and it will have a great resale value. I have driven both and the type s is awesome. The bronco is a good, but still a ford.
The absolute worse thing about this car is honestly acceleration and the transmission. This car needs a more aggressive launch control (it's pathetic), a transmission that allows us to shift down first and allows us to bounce off of the rev limiter instead of auto upshifting too early. Everything else about this car is good. And I'd still chose it over the stinger, g70, which were my previous favorites.
Just a note that I see on most Type S Videos, people forget to brake boost for a launch, and put the powertrain in sport (S) Mode. I know this is a year late, but hope it could help some future owners.
Thomas’s teacher side is coming out lol 😂 awesome car lesson He was a school teacher by the way just to point it out I think history. But nonetheless he did a phenomenal job explaining how the two cars are different 5:57
Joe from Raiti's Rides was a teacher as well, and a former race car driver, both of them are great at reviewing and explaining what they are experiencing with each vehicle.
It was interesting to see the hot lap leader board. The TLX Type S was still quicker than a Golf R and Veloster N around the track and real close to the 797hp Challenger Hellcat Redeye. Not too shabby. You guys need to hotlap the new Cayman 4.0 GT4 or GTS with the PDK.
As a street driving car, this is a very capable vehicle. The Shawd is fantastic, power is fine, great creature comforts. It is not a track car and was never designed to be so. Based on what you get for the price, it stands up well to everything in the class.
@@ssx6867 it's not the power, it's just too heavy. It's fuel economy, speed, everything would be better all around if this 2021 TLX V6 (Type S) weighed like the 2020 TLX V6... 500lbs is a big difference!
Also the fuel economy is pretty lame already, 25mpg highway, when the competing more powerful M340i does 30! Or when Acura's own previous generation naturally aspirated V6 also does 30!
@@MrTresto agreed. I cross Shopped the S with the A35 and ended with the 35 instead. For its weight, as you said it needs less weight. For its size it def needs 400 min. i love the looks and I’m a guy who is no fanboy, but Ive had two CTRs and dig that platform a lot. There is no way ppl will spend that cash in mass to get less performance than an S3. This could easily be on par to compete with the RS3 or $ if they could of kept the weight down and gave it more HP.
@@FlightX101 But that would cost much more. This car is for people like me. We can stretch to $60K and tax, we want something more spicey and some performance but no interest in tracking it. And it doesn't cost $100K. It's reliable.
@@aetiusg Seeing as I'm also in that group.. You'd have to ask why not a Stinger, if you need space, or a G70. You can make a M340i work somewhat and the Q50 which Infiniti hasn't really touched in years is still there. There's even the Gulia. Any of them will outperform the Type S in some form or fashion, are all RWD so they l handle differently and IMO better, but still are more than fine to drive daily.
How come you guys didn't track test all it's competitors like the stinger, G70, s4, 340i, c43, Q50s?? We know they are all faster to 1/4 but how about their time on the track?
@Fabio Reims As a stinger owner, I would expect it to perform worse on a track test, just because it's set up more for cruising rather than being nimble. The G70 is the better driver's car, if that's what you're looking for.
I would love to see the lap time for the S4, G70 and others in the segment. With all the complains given to the Type S it still lapping pretty good for its specs.
I have this vehicle in tiger eye. It is a great vehicle to drive. The control is amazing and its quick. Not fast but quick on turns. It's performance meeting everyday driver. Its an agile vehicle. It also looks amazing
Yea it’s THE LEAST dynamic AWD system (and car) in its class. But it’ll go over 100k miles reliably compared to anything German or Korean and, more importantly anything you need to replace won’t cost you over $1000 plus labor.
@@a124as Drive any base model AWD German sedan/CUV. It should run laps around a fully spec-ed out TLX. I’ve driven a lot of AWD cars so I know what they feel like. German AWD cars are so insanely dynamic it’s crazy. I drove a Benz GLA250 for a winter a year or two ago. I didn’t even need to turn traction control off it stepped out on its own and came back on its own, completely composed, almost like it was made to do it. Asians don’t program their systems like that they gear awd towards more safety than crazy dynamics that let you kick the rear end out. I daily drove an Infiniti G35x for years. It was fine and provided a good AWD experience but it never handled like the way 4matic did. Don’t get me wrong SH-AWD is great. But it can’t beat even the base model German AWD systems. The 4matic car I drove was the FWD bias 4matic system. It STILL blew my mind. All I’ve daily driven is Lexus and Infiniti. I see why people like German engineering. But, it’s costs you.
Yep. Uncle Doug also wasn’t impressed with this vehicle. I had the Type S on my short list and now I’ve removed it from my list. The IS 500, the M340i and the G70 are now my top 3 choices. I’m leaning toward the IS 500 because of the V8 and Lexus’ stellar overall reliability.
The v8 is under powered, and heavy though. Although it does sound good. The tech in the Lexus is also far far behind the bmw and genesis. Just some food for thought.
Just depends really on what you want. I’m always going Lexus because I keep my cars for a while(10-15 years) so I’m just waiting for that IS500. I removed the Type-S from my list too from this review. Seems so lackluster :/
Reading the comments, my current decision on the IS 500 as my top choice seems to be a good one. I do wish the technology inside the IS 500 was better and overall performance closer to the 340i, but the overall package (V8, reliability, comfort and resale value) of the IS 500 is what is pushing me toward sticking with the IS 500 as my top choice.
The best part in comparison to many of the other brands is the cost of ownership. Acura is much lower than a MB or BMW especially 10 years from now. In comparison, they are all 3 star luxury-style service experiences. The tech. (HUD - full-digital gauge cluster) on the BMW 3 Series bowls me over and combined with the engineering and hybrid option makes me consider getting one. I have a 2016 TLX tech i4 (superb value). I just worry about the cost of owning a BMW. Thanks for the great informative vids.
@@--------.--------------------. it is a luxury variant, has more equipment. But every TSX/TLX has shared the same platform and drivetrain across Acura and Honda in the past. Doesn’t make fiscal sense to create a platform for one model only..
Wish you guys would test a Giulia Ti Sport Q4 as no one seems to! I test drove this Acura as my Giulia lease was ending and the TLX was embarrassingly bad in comparison. Ended up buying the Giulia out with a cheap warranty because I can't find anything as good.
I love the Giulias. I almost got one. Just wish they made a middle tier motor with around 350ish hp. Either get the 280hp 2.0t or the monster 2.9tt v6 but for 90k. The 2.0t in the giulia is very potent tho. I think it’s quicker then this Type S. The giulia handles amazing. You can just flick it around. I ended up with a Stinger GT. The 3.3tt v6 won me over. Still love the giulia tho!
A sporty, daily driver with AWD for winter...you can find Certified's with 5,000 miles for $45-$48k easily. Not everyone cares about 0-60 times. This with normal maintenance will outlast any German. And you won't be spending $200/hour on labor either. BMW and Mercedes are good for leasing for 2-3 years...after that I wouldn't touch em. Let's not forget 212.8M people in the US live in households with combined incomes of well below $100,000 annually. Commenters act like they aren't part of the ~70% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck LOL. Sit down guys.
I think you guys are the only ones to give honest reviews. Everyone else seems to suck up to the dealerships for letting them borrow their cars.
Exactly… they can’t say anything bad or they won’t get access
I also think savagegeese gives very honest/high quality reviews
@@homerles savaggese is trash tf? His voice is fucking annoying as well
@@drestep4830 dougdeweirdo is your fav reviewer huh
@@drestep4830 nah u weird if u think his reviews aren't at least honest, voice is subjective
Most type s buyers are not going to track this car. The exterior and interior design, tech, comfort and MSRP are more important. I think Acura did a great job with this package.
Definitely. I was looking at a 2019 Spec A, after being in the new interior I dont think I can get an old one
And it looks better than Audi or BMW IMO.
Just got the 23 S-type last week. While it's not cheap, comp models for BMW and Audi are quite a bit more.
Needs manual though
@@kenster007agreed. The BMWs are insanely expensive. For me to replace my x3 m40 is close to 80K. Ridiculous.
I just picked my Type S up 3 weeks ago. I love it so far. I don't want my car to be oversteer on highway ramps. It looks much better than any competitors. And still faster then 80% of cars on the road. And not many Type S Tlx running araund in town. I'm happy with my decision.
it s faster than more than 80% of the cars on the road lol, atleast it would be here in romania.
Oversteering on ramps is not a real problem.
I am interested in the rest of the conversation with Acura about the fuse
Maybe that's why they're testing a personal car, not a press car
I think he got butt hurt over that situation and now that’s why here’s so critical of Acura lol.
@@JayJay-he9bk doesn't look like it, seems like a overweight and understeery mess.
@@JayJay-he9bk Not really, I mean the hype was serious and it failed
@@sanesc2543 I think they overhyped it way too much.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW HONEST YOU GUY'S ARE. NEVER CHANGE! NEVER EVER CHANGE GUYS! WE NEED THE HONESTY!
OKAY! ITS TRUE.
Ok please clam down alright?🤷♂️ This is ture agreement.
Scotty Kilmer had some good things to say about this car as well, not without caveats (but honestly those come with every car nowadays)
From the perspective of someone who has owned a 4th gen Acura TL with SH-AWD for 7 years, I was puzzled by the attempts in the video to get the car to turn in better by trying to defeat SH-AWD, rather than by taking advantage of it. This system will apply 70% of available torque to the rear wheels under acceleration, and up to 100% of that to the outside rear wheel in a turn. In my experience, the best way I get my TL to turn in more is to give it MORE throttle in the middle of a turn. An SH-AWD car is not going to fishtail like a RWD car (which is caused by drivetrain torque and lateral acceleration overpowering available tire grip), so don’t try to force it to. My TL is dimensionally about the same, has a shorter wheelbase, and weighs about the same as the current TLX. It will turn with other cars considerably smaller than it is.
Also own a 4th gen tl and was thinking the same thing. The idea is for the car to not slide right??? The SHAWD redirects torque so you can tuck it in nice and smooth then power out as it adapts the torque for the appropriate wheels. He was getting so mad that the car wasnt spinning out which to me seems like a good thing.... Ive thrown my car around turns pretty hard and it just refuses to slide even a little. Allows me to power out of the turn no issue. Not sure what his frustration was about
The idea here is he wants to get this thing to misbehave. Easy to drive plus underpowered can tend to be boring for these guys. They drive performance cars on the limit all the time. Also, a car tends to become less sporty if there is no challenge in driving it fast. At least to some.
@@LockdownuG great points you made...question is what % of buyers that will purchase this car will track it, even the models he mentions...they most likely will engage in street racing.
@@checkdilevels1180 you make a good point as well. Would be one hell of a commuter car
Hear hear, 2019 V6 SH-AWD and I have no intention of tracking it as it’s my daily driver and when I do push it you push harder in the corner to get that all wheel drive to bias to the rear AND IT GOES LIKE ITS ON RAILS. This is true that he can’t get it to break looose - go ahead and pull the fuse again 😅🤣🤣
These guys are some of the most informative & honest guys on YT. Very thorough on a cars specs & always brutally honest on a cars flaws & pros. I had the same opinions about this car as these guys.
Definitely an underwhelming car for 50k period. Honestly I’d much rather get a car that’s prioritizing performance rather than this.
@@gtmike916 Considering the makeup of the segment & the hype that Acura built up for the Type S, I agree that its underwhelming & disappointing.
@@mutualdecline2174 I agree. They built the hype on this car like no other. Then to hit the price point they did and not have features in this car like it should but ultimately the weight of this car is holding it back. A good amount probably has to do with the double wishbone suspension if I had to make a guess
@@gtmike916 for 50k you can probably get an BMW M2CS 😂
@@AP-wu1rv More than likely used and personally I’m not a fan of BMWs. They seem to be quite a bit touchy when it comes to maintenance vs most other offerings.
Oh yeah what a wonderful morning. Got my coffee, got a Throttle House video. Let's go!!
The Type S is a good-looking ride and white is a great match for its body. Thanks for the Stinger comparison mentions. It's a car that's totally underrated and apparently on its way out 2022.
white is ugly lol stop lying to your self
I think this is one of the best looking Acura’s of all time, especially of the modern age...
Uglier than Kia Stinger for sure and worse performance
I still think the 3G TL is the high-water mark.
@@cnon. I said nothing about Kia, nice opinion tho...
Kinda looks Like the 6th gen pre face lift camaro ss but even better somehow
It looks great
I woke up, grabbed my coffee, opened TH-cam, and got really excited! Allll for Honda to disappoint me, yet again.
Ditto
Same here 😒
Same routine, disappointing results 😑
The TLX is heavier and slower but the on road presence is huge compared to the other cars in the group. It looks so wide and low and the paint colors they offer really stand out.
Yup definitely a head turner
Lmaooo yea that car looks good in the back of the field
@@favianmadrid6345 guarantee it won't be in the back but ok
Yeah broke my neck super hard the other day
@@favianmadrid6345 The back of what field? Your bench race?
Another example of Honda not smashing it out of the park when they had the chance. In this class of of entry level sport sedan it's all about bragging rights. Offer something that stands out.
Most Tech
Most Power
Most Speed
Most Value
You absolutely need to nail ONE of these to even have a chance.
This. All this.
BMW has speed and power locked down as of now.
Mercedes interior tech is good.
Audi had speed off the line, and good tech as well.
The Stinger/G70 can at least hang with the Germans in most areas but undercut them hard, so they get the value win.
Even the Q50 RS has the most advertised crank HP.
The Type S brings.. What to the table?
Most FWD 😅
Loves these guys honesty. Always a true review
I like the fact that Thomas can drive lol. It makes me trust his impressions a lot more
“And I’m James!” With eyes staring straight at you letting you know that he is truly James
They ways he says his name. Makes me think he’s gonna say team rockets motto. (Pokémon)
😂😂😂😉
Honestly as long as the transmission holds up it would probably be the most reliable in the class. Especially with forged internals.
I would argue the Lexus IS is much more reliable
@@57Nights I mean the people who created the motor for the Tlx Type S created the new Nsx's Engine
@@57Nights You'd argue wrongly... And the IS doesn't even have a comparable trim to the type-s.
@@dc5fallout How does that have anything to do with reliability? Lexus/Toyota literally make the most reliable cars in the market, unlike Acura which had notorious CVT failures in 2014-2018
@@AI-qd4vb Please explain to me how I'd "argue wrongly"? Did you forget that Acura had a massive recall for their CVT transmissions in 2015? Also the IS not only has a comparable trim but a much better trim than the type-s in the IS500 f-sport, it would literally wipe the floor with the type-s since its not only faster with its V8 but way more reliable.
I can sense a 2.0 Sport vs Type S drag race coming down the pipe….
Sam Car Legion posted one today
@@rpgvag
I think he was referring to the Accord 2.0T Sport, but not sure. Even the Accord out runs the base TLX. I saw Sam's race this morning. Was happy to see the TLX Type S finally win a race, even if it's competition was a lesser version of it's self.
@@rpgvag incorrect.
@@wbwayne8887 Yes, I was referring to the reigning TH champion, Accord 2.0 Sport.
@@brianrainey2739
I would probably buy the Accord Sport 2.0T and not even walk into the Acura dealership to be honest. Lighter, more interior/cargo space, and with a tune, probably quicker than the TL Type S. I don't plan on tracking it, so I'm sure the handling would be more than adequate on the street. Probably wouldn't even need a tune.
im glad you guys offer such honesty. I think acura/honda being the way they typically are don't put an emphasis on speed/power, I'm interested to see how this holds up in the next 5-7 years compared to its competitors.
Lowest power in its class
Heaviest in its class
A l m o s t smallest rear seats in its class
1 Foot longer than all its competitors
Worst fuel economy in its class
Marked up $10,000 at all dealerships
No thanks
Big hat no cattle 😴
This thing is heavier than my Challenger, and that's saying a lot lol
@The Insufferable Tool it’s also hilarious how the car is based on the Accord platform, yet has legroom comparable to the Civic 😂 it’s so dumb how little legroom is has
@@ramennoodlz means this drivetrain needs swapped into a stripped-out accord ;)
@@ramennoodlz Lol is not based on the accord platform. The previous TLX was 2020 and previous. This one apparently has a new chassis
@@OrionTripp oh mb, thought this generation was also based on 10th Gen accord, but I think this TLX has very similar exterior dimensions to the Accord, but it’s lacking a lot with leg room in comparison to the Accord
Thank you James - if you "own" the car, you don't have to look for push button shifting. You also will never confuse the rotary transmission for the volume knob. Or anything else. You get used to anything.
I still don't like the way Lincoln does their shifters. They placed it too close to the infotainment system. They should have just kept a rotary shifter in the center of the car, just like every other Ford (except the trucks and the Bronco).
Tell that to Anton Yelchin
There is a difference between getting used to something vs just plain un-intuitive
I could get used to eating ice cream upside down and sh!tting it out in a bag. The point is, there's no reason to. Nor should I have to.
@@mrsj1417 incorrect
@@iamthelaw69 incorrect.
I own a 2023, and I can say that I am very happy with it. I am a long-time Honda fan, and I can tell you that this doesn't drive like an old integra or civic. It does have a lot to offer when you spend a little time with it and learn what it is good at.
It handles extremely well, especially if you are applying power through corners. Understeer is completely neutralized in this setting. The steering is quick and precise.
If you are approaching a decreasing radius turn, then it feels a little nose heavy in these situations.
The transmission is excellent when left in automatic mode in sport plus. It stays in the right gear and makes great sounds. It is pretty quick too. Obviously, an m340 is faster!!
I am impressed with the brakes for Back Road blasts. Track work would overheat them.
The seats are excellent. Supportive, comfortable, and grippy. Seat ventilation is a great feature.
The stereo is clear and has a nice full sound. It might be a little bass heavy with certain music.
I personally love the looks. Wide and low never went out of style.
It feels like it is more expensive than it is. All the switches have a quality feel. The engine sounds expensive and refined.
There is the promise of low running costs, which can't be underestimated. Cars are depreciating assets, and expensive repairs will affect your long-term term financial position. Now, to be fair, we are still talking about an expensive purchase. If we were all and little smarter and a little more practical, we would drive Camrys!
Glad to see an honest review of a car, not just talking about all the positives, sucking up to the owner/dealership. This kind of honesty, along with your comedy and knowledge of cars makes you guys one of the best channels in my opinion 🙌🏼
There’s no value proposition either, dealerships by me in NJ are charging $10,000 over sticker putting it right in line with the German competition. It’s hard to see why anyone would pick this over them.
I agree. A dealer told me $58,825 before taxes. I laughed & said I'd rather grab a Mercedes C43 or BMW M340I for that price because it's pretty much the same price
@@mutualdecline2174 that bmw or Mercedes would be about $65k...
Just wait a month till the market returns back to normal
@@drod6203 They're going for 63k in my state & on every car I have ever bought, I always get at least a couple hundred off the sticker price. I have no interest in buying the Type S. In May, I sold my 2020 Toyota Avalon TRD in anticipation of buying the Type S. Thought it was dumb to put down a deposit without driving it myself first & throwing out my chance to negotiate the price so I waited. Drove it after July 4th & knew right there that it was by far the slowest in the segment. I drove every car in the segment except the M340i & cadillac CT5v.
Also, Acura said back in May that they're only building 2000 units in the US so for those who till this day continue to place orders, they won't get theirs till about Dec or next yr. I'm only guessing but I know a guy who put his order in back in may & he's still waiting. After driving the Type S that's when the manager told me about the markup, little did he know, I wasn't interested after driving it so it could've been at msrp & I wasn't gonna buy it.
Lol they smoking crack with that price I'll get audi rs3 and smoke every 1
10k over msrp and it’s selling? Like everywhere or is that just in Jersey? I have never paid over MSRP on a car. Usually closer to invoice.
Gorgeous car. Wish it had a little more performance to back up the styling. Still a hell of a GT car.
Wait until Hondata drops along with all of the other performance mods. People will build monsters out of this car. I estimate that $10k wisely spent will easily get you over the 500hp mark.
This is exactly what I was expecting it to be. A GT car to replace the underrated Accord Coupe V6.
It has the performance, he just wants it to lose traction which if you want the car to go the fastest the Acura way is the best
Yeah wait until Hondata drops a tune so you can throw your powertrain warranty out the window so you can barely keep up with the rest of the competitors in its class 🥴
That's one drag race James was happy to lose! LOL
This Acura feels very unremarkable!!
Sub par is a good way to describe it.
That’s kinda what every Acura has been like for quite a while now. Liked my parents 93 legend as a kid though. Loved that car.
@@bojangles6444 The Legend was a Legend. Back then my older sister had a boyfriend that had one, it was the only reason I tolerated him lol
I feel like they over hyped it to be this super performance car but it’s more for drive feel and luxury a lil but I feel.
@@black_phantom7506 lol great story
I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite saddened by this review, :(. My family just picked up the Type S only a couple of weeks ago in the blue color, it was the most exciting thing for me of this year so far with everything going on. And I've loved it so far. I won't lie haven't got an opportunity to take it to Cayuga or any track to see what it can do yet. I am a Honda Fanboy, built a 9th gen civic si for the track myself, and fell in love with this car when it was announced. This video was a fairly uncomfortable pill to swallow and I sort of felt this empty feeling in my stomach when I saw how little joy it gave you. I was waiting for this video to come out so my dad and I could watch it together, as (You guys are the only TH-cam Channel I trust to be as honest as the original top gear). That's the power you guys have on die-hard car enthusiasts like us, a review like this was enough to steal some magic away from the car that hasn't even lost its new car smell in our garage yet. Everything aside though, I've religiously watched this channel since the days of the E46 to now, You are my favorite channel on youtube and I really hope I bump into you guys sometime at an event in Toronto. I don't ever comment on videos but felt compelled on a personal level today to speak and to thank you for the effort you put into the quality of your work. It never fails to leave an impression, keep up the amazing work.
Enjoy the car man! Amazing car. Just not a track car.. but really who tf tracks these kinds of cars? It’s a good daily with decent power and looks really good and handles amazing
Trade it in for a used 340i?
@@layne4376 he wanted to get into it with this car, after seeing all the track hype over this car at the Laguna Sega Launch.
@ You are be glad it can’t even beat a Honda Accord 2.0TT it’s Nice 👍 but it lacks Power it even got beat by a K5 GT KIA, you might as well get a BMW 440i, I hate Acura Type S sucks but The Japanese didn’t do their Home Work very well on The Car, they let a lot of People down on this Car but the performance and hp sucks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Enjoy ur car bro. Better stick to reliability, Honda product gives that.
i like how he kept it real with how the car felt and descriptive and where the car lacks in certain aspects
Was looking impressive untill you see how bad it got smoke by that S4!
The S4 that acura had at the launch at Laguna Seca was slower than the Type S at he drag race. Wonder what acura did to their S4 to make it slower.
@@Boostlagg 1st gear is nerfed pretty bad. Check out Savagegeese's review.
@@Boostlagg they ran the S4 in comfort and the Type S in sport plus mode. The S4 doesn’t launch hard in comfort mode
Looked impressive for all of 30 seconds..
the S4 in this review was rolling and not at a full stop. Huge difference when racing.
Thanks for the candid review gents. Based on commentary from other journalists this was a driver's car. I can't believe the car is 4200lbs! The BMW M340i and S4(with sport diff) are my picks.
I actually like the red on silver in the gauges, reminds me of my old RSX
you just told me where i saw these gauges from! LOL.
You guys NAILED the review. I had high hopes for the Type S but Acura came up short like Thomas indicated. Horsepower being its biggest let down followed by the handling set up and brand of tires that come stock on this car. The good news for Acura is I own two other cars (RDX & TL) which I absolutely love ❤️. The Type S won’t be showcased in my driveway anytime soon unfortunately.
Kinda funny/interesting to see how different people interpret different cars. Everything they said about the Type S here is completely opposite of what Matt Farah had to say about it. Most reviews on this car have been very positive. This is the second I've seen that has been negative. And I THINK I lean towards the positive because A) I've driven one and thought it was nice and B) As soon as Thomas said "We're on the track because: Type S" he instantly indicated a lack of understanding what Type S cars are about. They're not track cars. That's what the Type-Rs are for. The "S" and "R" literally stand for "Street" and "Race", respectively. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I think they went into this with inappropriate expectations.
@@stephenpatterson8056 I’ve driven one, and ordered one. It’s just too heavy. It’s a nice car.
@@stephenpatterson8056 I know this was 7 months ago but the type S does not stand for street lol. I don’t think that would even make sense.
The best Type S didn’t have a “Type S” badge. The 4th Gen TL SH-AWD was very deserving of the Type S name
Idk much about the TL but I hear it was pretty good during its hayday.
I actually own one. A 2012. I put the quad tips in the rear to symbolize a type S😂
Very true the looks was just the only thing.
What? The best Type S was the RSX.
@@NeightrixPrime yep, an absolute work of art of a car, in terms of dynamics, it just wasn’t a beautiful car to look at lol
I like How honest ur review is on the car,I'm a big honda fan I feel disappointed, mainly saw this video because I wanted to see how the type s performs since I'm interested in the mdx type s
Its a good car... but the price makes it hard to accept. In that price range there is just more exciting options, but i do trust it to be on the road in 20 years and that ELS 3d is great.
I doubt that any of these cars will be on the road in 20 years the cost to maintain the turbos and an AWD system are prohibitive. These are lease and dispose cars.
@@ismailkhan9698 maybe for you, my friend is still driving his 1995 Celica... it is all about the type of person you are. People who take good care of their cars manage to get incredible mileage out of them and Honda knows how to build cars to last.
@@alexcoyg3281 Scotty? Is that you?
@@BraddyT 😄😄😄
@@alexcoyg3281 I drive a 2009 maxima for the record
I appreciate the honesty, it's interesting to see someone hiding disappointment
This is the only channel that claims this car does not handle well at the limit. Everyone else is in awe of the handling from what i can tell. Still appreciate your reviews and top production.
I had one as a loaner last weekend...the handling is awesome.
At first I thought, “I wish Acura got more love.”
However, then I realized, “I wish Acura *DESERVED* more love.” Because right now, they really don’t.
Lexus and Acura are resting their laurels too heavily on their "projected" reliability marketing, while neglecting the fact that their price tags are still too high for performance that is so low. IN A PERFORMANCE SEDAN SEGMENT.
This is why BMW, Audi, Lexus, Mercedes, and Genesis are seemingly thriving right now: their products can actually amaze sometimes. Meanwhile Acura, Infiniti, Alfa Romeo, and Jaguar don’t look quite as hot in sales.
Check out the new facelifted F-Pace SVR.
@@vandit945 Don't get me wrong, I love Jaguars. But they aren't doing enough to pull me away from Porsche and BMW,
I feel like Alfa Romeo is doing pretty good rn actually
With Honda/Acura you get reliability- Acura takes that to another level with luxury/sport. This Type S is kind of a letdown. Look at cars like the Civic Type R, Accord 2.0T. Even past cars like 2007 TL Type S, RSX Type S. Those are still legendary til this day.
Lexus and Toyota are boring. Except the ISF. LC, and
BMW and Mercedes are German junk that’s hella expensive and hella more expensive to fix.
Genesis. No thanks.
@@EricTheGreat508 these Japanese luxury brands are just as expensive to repair. Most parts like adaptive cruise lane keep assist etc are outsourced from 3rd party manufacturers. Lexus is still very reliable but Acura has slipped recently and is only okay reliability wise. The design is unique but the cost is comparable to its rivals while the comfort and performance is not. I honestly think a fully loaded Accord or Camry will full the desires of a prospective TLX type S buyer just as well with better reliability and a far more reasonable price tag at the expense of a little bit of performance and a little bit of luxury. But most people gushing about the Type S want it because it's a Type S not because it's objectively good at anything other than existing and chugging gas. All the adulation this car gets is nostalgia and pantomime from what I've seen.
What a huge fail by Acura. Leading us on for a year or more with the promise of the Type S returning... And then it's a huge let down. Keep up with your competition Acura.
Reminds me of the new NSX. It was years behind its competition.
The NSX was ahead of its time in my opinion. Now when all your exotics are starting to make hybrid power trains, Acura did one in a time where no one wanted one. At this point for what it is, it is overpriced, it needs to be a budget supercar.
@@TheMoltenM NSX was criticized for having a hybrid system back then now even Ferrari have announced that they’re heading to 100% hybrid lineup in 2025
@@Mushroomancer I was talking performance, not technology. Didn't hold a candle to anything at the price point in top speed/0-60/cornering Gs.
@@TheMoltenM The NSX kept up with or out paced its competition in a straight line. Go watch carwow's NSX races, it beat the AMG GTR and Nissan GTR. 0-60 in 2.9 secs, with a brutal launch control system.
Why buy this you ask?
Because the Germans make fast but also incredibly expensive and UNRELIABLE cars, This car is fast, nice looking, and RELIABLE.
Can I do an exercise for you? Almost 50yo in America. 5 vehicles. 2 Toyota, 2 Nissan, 1 Acura. Boom! Lol
Yeah this car is a major fail to me. Ever since it’s conception.
And like you said, Acura hyped this up SO much. I wouldn’t take this over any of its competitors. Not even an IS. Comparing this to the IS300 isn’t fair. Comparing this to an IS500, it’s true competitor, results in a slaughter.
as much as I hate the new/fake Type S, the IS 500 is probably going to cost $10k to $15k more. Fully loaded, an IS 350 F Sport is within a couple thousand of a fully loaded Type S (as all Type Ses are fully loaded), so that seems to be the logical place for comparison, and that's a fight the Type S will win in terms of performance.
@@elenchus I’m a little more optimistic. A base RC cost more than a base IS. $42,000 vs $39,000. Or about $3,000 more. A “base” RC-F rings in at $65,000. And that’s with several performance options that the IS500 will lack. A base BMW M340i is about $55,000 and a Base IS350 F Sport with the handing package is $47,000. The IS500 is based off the IS350 with the handling package and Lexus basically drops in a V8… Logic would conclude that the IS500 will be ringing in at anywhere around $56,000, give or take $995. It won’t be cheap, but it certainly won’t be nearly $70,000 as it is not based off a fully loaded IS350 as your implying. By Lexus’ own admissions the IS500 is not a full blown F model, so it doesn’t make much sense to price it above a full blown F model, especially one that cost more in base trim (RC).
At a base price of $56,000 for the IS500 and $52,000 for the TLX, the TLX is dead on arrival. I’m sorry, but I’ll happily lay the $4,000 premium.
@@Soh90 Good luck finding an IS500 for MSRP if you live in the U.S. :(
@@elenchus I doubt it'll be 15k more but it'll be up there with the fully loaded M340i & the C43. About 63k or 64k fully loaded.
@@spooksmagee Good luck finding anything at MSRP in the US lol
Great car but would I ultimately choose this over a C43 or M340i?? No chance. Still nice to see Acura bring it to market though.
A similarly equipped M340i or C43 is over $15k more expensive in Canada. The Type S in terms of *pricing* is closer to a similarly equipped 330i, which the Acura would smoke.
@@TheBreakfastLover would much rather get a year old M340i, C43 or S4. Even a V6 G70. The Acura starts with the wrong formula and can’t overcome its flaws.
@@TheBreakfastLover I know there are deals to be had on C43 and M340 so the pricing probably isn’t terribly different. I think it’s worth spending a few thousand extra anyway for the German competition as they’re more complete packages.
That's great news :)
More reliable cars for the rest of us. :)
I agree. My Acura dealer wants $10k over MSRP while Mercedes is giving $5k off. The price is the same while Mercedes, BMW are just better.
As someone with a 2008 TL type s I was kinda disappointed with this new version. However all the TH-cam reviews were hyping it up to the point where I felt like maybe I was being stupid and too selective, but I'm glad you guys reviewed this and I feel like I'm sane again.
same
As a Honda fan, Acura strewed this up. I wish they’d made it a sleeper like the Accord.
Accord type R when
Yea, it is disappointing. It seems the only real reason to get a TLX over a maxed out accord is SH-AWD… The Touring Accord is faster, has a nice interior, costs like 60% of this, and has a much more useable trunk and rear seat.
This car is not even a good sports sedan I mean... not even a good luxury car either. No power in the rear seat? wtf? The G70 backseat is laughable still way more luxurious than the Type S. This car is not good at anything.
Yeah, I have to agree with you. They let a lot of fans down with this one. We waited for well over a decade for the Type S to come back and we got a car that is seriously behind in a lot of categories.
I was shopping for a new car earlier this year and I was waiting for this one to come out. I like German cars but they're a bit expensive to buy and to maintain, and the Type S looked like it could compete. A bit cheaper, a bit less performance, better expected reliability.
Then they announced the price. I bought a Stinger instead.
I ended up keeping my stinger GTS because this is lack luster performance
You both made good choices.
Well all those competitor cars are as expensive. They ain't them analog Hondas with electric distributors and plug in spark plugs people think they still are. You want luxury and performance? Pay luxury and performance prices.
If you really want the bmw or Mercedes just get it, the warranty is fair and the after market is very wide and parts are shared among the models and you can find a personal tech anywhere. Best of all, the cars are pretty reliable. The cars aren't as expensive as people think they are.
Wise men ❤️
Stinger? Wasn’t Kia giving away cars like 15 years ago? I can’t think of that company and not think crap. Maybe I am wrong- never driven one. Just my association with the brand. Maybe I am behind the times I am almost 40.
I get car and phone videos reviews but 95% of most buyers could care less about 99% of what these guys who do a great job in their reviews even talk about. As long as your ride gets you from point A to B...we are so good.
Just watched another video where they drag raced the type s against the aspec. The type s was considerably faster. I’m not sure they really benchmarked any other cars in its class. They just improved upon what they had a little. For what it is it’s good, it’s just not going to match up well against other cars in its class. If you like the Tlx and thought "I wish it was faster " then you’ll like the type s, but performance wise it’s not going to hold up well against rivals.
Okay, so maybe it's not as performance oriented as the Type S badging suggests. But I still think it's a handsome sedan with a lot to like. For long-term ownership, this would likely be a great car.
The problem is the fuel economy hit... Too inefficient for not enough go.
It's awesome to see a Type S. Very underrated ever since the Prelude Type S. Love it
Under? You mean overrated
Huh? I have an RSX type s. Better than that crap
Underrated in terms of what?
7:02 🤣🤣
Acura spent too much on marketing and not enough on the car
damn right..best comment here!!
Enjoy the review; heated rear seats are not available on that version; but they are available on lower trim levels. Sometimes the Japanese really are inscrutable
How is that even possible? 😑
This is the problem with the car, trying to cater to people like you. This is the type S, its supposed to be fast. Literally its only job is to be fast. Instead they wanted to appease everyone by making it ultra safe, comfortable, bloated with tech, predictable, and easy for stacey to drive to the supermarket. Look at the previous type-s acuras and how insane they handled.
Asking for stuff like 16 way adjustable heated rear seat ass massagers is how we got stuck with a bloated car like this. Would have been 1000% better if they just focused on performance IMO.
@@samuelrizzari994 you are insane. The previous generation didn't handle that well either; it understeered even worse than this one. Try to let reality into your world once in a while. Go buy a lotus Elise
and if you want a hud you can only get it on the 4cyl.
@@samuelrizzari994 no ass massages in this sorry. Ct5-v has it though. Even the 4cyl is 4000 lbs so from the start Acura screwed up
I have a white on black 2007 Acura TL Type-S with 41,000 original miles in perfect stock condition. It’s the nicest body design ever made by Acura! Even the interior looks way ahead of its time!
Love that car. I have a black one. They are great cars. It 180k miles on it and still runs great. Haven't even replaced anything yet as there is no need to!
I would choose a G70 or a Stinger over this.
Which says a lot because Infiniti and Stinger are cringe
@@cnon. you mean Genesis, because Infiniti is definitely not cringe that VR30 can push some serious power like 500+ whp with a tune and bolt ons
@Sean Rienzo Kia and Tesla are the worst built/quality cars on the road
@Sean Rienzo bro Kia has NOTHING on Merc or Audi interior. I know someone who bought a new Forte and had complete engine failure after 30 thousand miles
I’d choose the 2021 S5 sportback if we are comparing class and price.
I own one and knew what I was getting long before I got it so there's no regrets here. But your review is spot on. Acura hyped and marketed it to be something it is not almost to a point of false advertising. It has a lot of things I like about it. Very comfortable, stereo is good not great, but good. Infotainment is a disaster, reverse camera's are an embarrassment. I want to smack the moron designer in the face for the shifter and where they put it. Price wise I don't think it is a great deal when you have a Stinger with much more tech, and better tech at near 7 grand less in Canada. G70 also cheaper. Factor in interest rates on that 340 vs Acura's interest rates and it too isn't that far off, I know, I almost got one. So once again, Acura held back, the bean counters probably ruined the original vision of this car, they Hyped it to no end and failed to deliver. I don't think it is worthy of the Type S badge, There I said it. Not this day and age. Maybe 10 years ago. But it needs another 40HP at least, and while it looks to have a good starting point for the mod'ing community with forged internals, that's not the point and I'm not remotely interested in mod'ing it. It's a Type S, they advertised it to be a S4 competitor and well, it's not. BTW, I'm not 100% convinced you launched properly with launch control against that S4 but it doesn't matter because it's not going to catch it anyways. At least you guys listened about disabling the stability control properly this time lol. As always, great video. It's gorgeous, especially with skirts on it, a great daily although mpg sucks, and a great highway cruiser - just realize there's no spare tire....again.
The most BRUTALLY HONEST testimonial I've ever seen on a car. I Salut u. Yea man I agree, I knew what it was before it's debut. I had a hard time believing that this car can beat the S4. Why? Because if so, Acura would've been all over that on the airwaves & Acura never came out with a 0-60 time, even after it's debut which is almost unheard of when talking performance cars. Then the weight, it's too heavy for a single twin scroll turbocharged V6. U need a twin turbo or a V8 to move that weight quickly.
Mad respect man!
Thanks for the honesty first of all but while reading your comment I kept waiting for the “but!” that never came. Why did you get the car then? I’d love to hear what sold you on this compared to the competition.
The Acura fanboys need hear this. You are being totally honest. I’ve seen some think rationally and see the car for what it is. But majority are still in denial it’s really crazy. You got balls bro💯
@@Tsand4 as a ‘Acura fanboy’I approve of this comment. It shouldn’t have to be this way tho, they failed us, they embarrassed us. I hope they don’t screw up on the nsx type s/ type r, I don’t think there is much to screw up on there tho, it’s already a fast car but we’ll see. I hope Acura cuts the crap on the refresh/redesign. We need a competitive sport sedan to be proud of. I hope the is 500 goes well for Lexus
Can't expect this car to be perfect in the first model year, they'll probably upgrade this car as the years go by
Yeah and slap a V8 and call it a Type-R
@@randomghost4385 Does Honda make V8 anymore?
@@sonnyzhao2309 i dont think they ever really have tbh i cant think of one honda v8 maybe im trippin
@@sonnyzhao2309 from what I remember Honda doesn't make v8 engines only v6.
@@sonnyzhao2309 They have never made a V8. They were designing one for the first time but Obama's MPG war convinced them that V8's where not the way to go. Honestly I'm really dissapointed that honda never made a V8 outside of an F1 car. With current technology they should be able to make one with decent MPG by having the valve shutoff in certan driving situations like what the corvette engine does and other V8's by other manufacturer's. I also believe Toyota should update the tech in their V8's instead of dropping them for V6's. But now they want to go full EV which sucks.
Bought the wife an MDX a few months ago and saw the standard TLX at the dealerships and was excited to see how this would stack up to our Stinger GT. Not well is the answer. It's not a bad car, it's actually pretty nice and maybe 3-5 years ago it would be very impressive. Everyone seems to have discovered how to manufacture horsepower from thin air the last few years....300HP for a V8 was outstanding not that long ago....sub-6 sec 0-60 times are still quick.....but the field is in the mid to low 4 sec, better handling, and with more backseat space. Honda/Acura are not stupid; they know how to design a car, but how the hell do you make a car like a foot longer and lose backseat space?
The other thing that drives me crazy with Acura is that you have to choose between all of the convenience and luxury features and a sport package. I want all the bells and whistles AND the performance. I want leather seats...no inserts. I don't want the colors, but I want the engine. I want the 360 camera. I don't like being forced to choose. The point of a car like this is that I can have it all at a price point that undercuts the Europeans and gives me a pretty damn close experience day to day....I don't need the track day performance, but if I want to get a little silly on a backroad it should do something...jeez.
@@layne4376 I'm gonna have to disagree on the "vastly better built part" based on two years of ownership. It's held up extremely well and between my 2022 MDX and the Stinger there is no discernable difference in build quality from materials to fit and finish. I don't own stock in either company and I really don't care what you or anyone else buy, but I do disagree with your comment. The TLX may handle better based on more time with the MDX and the SH-AWD and the double wishbone suspension that they both have. It's legit and I bet in a smaller vehicle it's something else.
We don't keep cars longer than 2 years in my house. The Stinger is almost at that point and the wife and I just haven't found anything that we would rather have.
m340i> stinger@@MostlyElectrolytes
Love your honesty! This car was overhyped imo
And exactly what car are you excited for?
Ahaha i really digged the AoEmpires reference. It really does sound like that! Great job as always guys. You never fail to deliver even though the cars do.
Coffee on my porch on a 65° sunrise and some THROTTLE HOUSE!!! Dont get better then this
Sounds incredibly wonderful :)
jealous!
A++
The genesis looks beautiful from side.
I know it's a tlx video but still I'm fallen for that gensis design
Thank you for giving a completely honest review. I think other reviewers are told they can't give a negative or slightly unfavorable review which is completely lying to the public to increase the manufacturer and dealership sales. You do not do that and we thank you. I think Acura completely missed the opportunity to create a fantastic car when they decided to upgrade the TL to the TLX and then have too many versions of it.
Title: Priced to fight!
Review: dunking on the car for nearly 19 minutes
I mean it was priced to fight, they didn't say it'd do good.
@@m1l3s27 true
It’s a huge disappointing misstep by Honda. I waited years for this car. Time to look elsewhere 🙁
A man with common sense 👍 fanboys are delusional to defend this fail
Good looking car still
Is500
I miss the 04-09 TL that was a damn good car
I miss the 04-09 TL that was a damn good car
15:40 disagree that you need a touchscreen. All complaints of the previous generation accord and such were that everything was touch screen and bring back the radio knob.
Now they found a solution to not be reaching for a screen but get the touch interface with you hand in place and everyone is knocking it.
It’s super simple to use . I got use to it after a week . Way faster than I learned the I-drive and got comfortable back years ago.
Great review as usual Throttle House.. I can forgive less-than-favorable track results, because it’s not a track car, and I think we all know that. But I do wish it competed better.
The Genesis G70 and Kia Stinger are way faster for the money and can be had with RWD. This Type-S looks nice but that’s it. Not worth 50k in my eyes.
Holy crap! I was debating between this and the Bronco. Even though I'm waiting on the Bronco, I'm glad I didn't make a mistaken investment into the TLX Type S. Thank you for doing the homework for me!
Edit: Holy crap! An Age of Empires reference. You guys rock!
I am starting to see some Broncos around on the road, they seem pretty damn nice.
I still would go for the acura. It's not American, is fantastic outside of a race track and it will have a great resale value. I have driven both and the type s is awesome. The bronco is a good, but still a ford.
Thomas is looking buff! See those arms? Good on you man. Me? 35 years of working out and twiggy arms.
The absolute worse thing about this car is honestly acceleration and the transmission. This car needs a more aggressive launch control (it's pathetic), a transmission that allows us to shift down first and allows us to bounce off of the rev limiter instead of auto upshifting too early. Everything else about this car is good. And I'd still chose it over the stinger, g70, which were my previous favorites.
The worse thing about this car is the weight.
Age of Empires reference was spot on.
Just a note that I see on most Type S Videos, people forget to brake boost for a launch, and put the powertrain in sport (S) Mode. I know this is a year late, but hope it could help some future owners.
Honestly, idc. It’s a stunning and hopefully reliable car. And intake/exhaust swap would probably make the car much nicer (which nobody ever mentions)
still slow. No intake is going to fix this engine and steering dynamics. Its trash.
Y’all bitch about anything.
Put 10k in it to make it as good as it’s competitors lol
Thomas’s teacher side is coming out lol 😂 awesome car lesson He was a school teacher by the way just to point it out I think history. But nonetheless he did a phenomenal job explaining how the two cars are different 5:57
Joe from Raiti's Rides was a teacher as well, and a former race car driver, both of them are great at reviewing and explaining what they are experiencing with each vehicle.
James is an Age of Empires fan? Instant subscription. Jokes aside great content you guys!
It was interesting to see the hot lap leader board. The TLX Type S was still quicker than a Golf R and Veloster N around the track and real close to the 797hp Challenger Hellcat Redeye. Not too shabby. You guys need to hotlap the new Cayman 4.0 GT4 or GTS with the PDK.
The TLX Type S is also almost double the price of a Veloster N, so I would hope so lol
@@orangejuice-xi3gt
That doesn't always mean everything when it comes to automobile performance.
@@orangejuice-xi3gt Double the price would be 70K not including markups. This is 54-57k. That is a 13-16k delta. It's 20k more.
ACAB
Horsepower in a drag car isn’t a talking point in the track. This better beat a cat on a track
As a street driving car, this is a very capable vehicle. The Shawd is fantastic, power is fine, great creature comforts. It is not a track car and was never designed to be so. Based on what you get for the price, it stands up well to everything in the class.
This is the type s. It's supposed to be a track car. This is just slow af.
@@TonyStark-wr7ob no type r is a track car, this isn’t..
I love mine. If you don't drive your competitors you'll never feel slow
I’d love to see a Throttle House review of the 07-08 TL Type S. If you can find a 6-speed that would be really interesting!
I have one but not a manual unfortunately. Still a great car for 14 years old
I love Acuras, and owned a previous type s. This is just disappointing
Still excited for mine to get delivered! I had no complaints
I can't wait for the Acura MDX Type S to come out and you guys drag race it against the RAV4 prime
I want to see this quite a bit.
Acura really messed this one up. Styling, looks, quality is all there, but it just isn’t fast enough for what it competes with.
more power means less fuel economy. and this car was not made for drag racing
@@ssx6867 agreed, but unfortunately most ppl looking for a type s, aren’t buying it for its FA. I’d personally like to see 400 at a min.
@@ssx6867 it's not the power, it's just too heavy. It's fuel economy, speed, everything would be better all around if this 2021 TLX V6 (Type S) weighed like the 2020 TLX V6... 500lbs is a big difference!
Also the fuel economy is pretty lame already, 25mpg highway, when the competing more powerful M340i does 30! Or when Acura's own previous generation naturally aspirated V6 also does 30!
@@MrTresto agreed. I cross Shopped the S with the A35 and ended with the 35 instead. For its weight, as you said it needs less weight. For its size it def needs 400 min. i love the looks and I’m a guy who is no fanboy, but Ive had two CTRs and dig that platform a lot. There is no way ppl will spend that cash in mass to get less performance than an S3. This could easily be on par to compete with the RS3 or $ if they could of kept the weight down and gave it more HP.
The AoE comparison with the ‘tambourine’ sound is SPOT ON
Once again, Acura over-promised and under-delivered.
Seems all they really have to do is make it 400HP and fully RWD and a 6speed option.
@@FlightX101 But that would cost much more. This car is for people like me. We can stretch to $60K and tax, we want something more spicey and some performance but no interest in tracking it. And it doesn't cost $100K. It's reliable.
@@FlightX101 I don't see them ever making it rwd. They definitely should have pumped up the power though considering how heavy it is.
@@aetiusg It's priced too much as it is now considering how poorly it stacks up against the competition. 30k cars would be able to keep up with it.
@@aetiusg Seeing as I'm also in that group.. You'd have to ask why not a Stinger, if you need space, or a G70. You can make a M340i work somewhat and the Q50 which Infiniti hasn't really touched in years is still there. There's even the Gulia. Any of them will outperform the Type S in some form or fashion, are all RWD so they l handle differently and IMO better, but still are more than fine to drive daily.
How come you guys didn't track test all it's competitors like the stinger, G70, s4, 340i, c43, Q50s?? We know they are all faster to 1/4 but how about their time on the track?
Exactly
@Fabio Reims As a stinger owner, I would expect it to perform worse on a track test, just because it's set up more for cruising rather than being nimble. The G70 is the better driver's car, if that's what you're looking for.
@@BerserkFury89 The Stinger is actually better than the G70
@@-SP. I think it's a better choice, that's why I got one, however the G70 is faster and more "sporty".
This is perfect for just casual comfortable daily driver and when you want a little speed to pass someone you got it
I don't even care, it's such a sexy car.
I would love to see the lap time for the S4, G70 and others in the segment. With all the complains given to the Type S it still lapping pretty good for its specs.
I have this vehicle in tiger eye. It is a great vehicle to drive. The control is amazing and its quick. Not fast but quick on turns. It's performance meeting everyday driver. Its an agile vehicle. It also looks amazing
The looks are the best. It the first thing you see about a car
They type s or aspec?
@@topranked5465 type s
Yea it’s THE LEAST dynamic AWD system (and car) in its class. But it’ll go over 100k miles reliably compared to anything German or Korean and, more importantly anything you need to replace won’t cost you over $1000 plus labor.
Can you quantify that first statement? Jw why you have that opinion.
@@a124as Drive any base model AWD German sedan/CUV. It should run laps around a fully spec-ed out TLX. I’ve driven a lot of AWD cars so I know what they feel like. German AWD cars are so insanely dynamic it’s crazy. I drove a Benz GLA250 for a winter a year or two ago. I didn’t even need to turn traction control off it stepped out on its own and came back on its own, completely composed, almost like it was made to do it. Asians don’t program their systems like that they gear awd towards more safety than crazy dynamics that let you kick the rear end out. I daily drove an Infiniti G35x for years. It was fine and provided a good AWD experience but it never handled like the way 4matic did. Don’t get me wrong SH-AWD is great. But it can’t beat even the base model German AWD systems. The 4matic car I drove was the FWD bias 4matic system. It STILL blew my mind. All I’ve daily driven is Lexus and Infiniti. I see why people like German engineering. But, it’s costs you.
It is very good looking and sounds great. It'll probably sell well in my opinion.
16:00 love how you spec'd all the competitors' interior colours to red
I was shocked when you mentioned Age of Empires haha, i haven't played it in quite a while, might be time to get some ranked games going
Age of empires 4 coming this fall!
I‘d love to see a video on the Genesis G70 as it‘s coming to Europe this year!
They have one on their Extra channel!
The car sounded very similar to how the Formula 2 cars sounds which is amazingly satisfying 😳
Seems like it’s actually Acura who blew the fuse this time 👀
Yep. Uncle Doug also wasn’t impressed with this vehicle. I had the Type S on my short list and now I’ve removed it from my list. The IS 500, the M340i and the G70 are now my top 3 choices. I’m leaning toward the IS 500 because of the V8 and Lexus’ stellar overall reliability.
The v8 is under powered, and heavy though. Although it does sound good. The tech in the Lexus is also far far behind the bmw and genesis. Just some food for thought.
I agree with you, but I would want the Lexus. BMW for performance, G70 for value, Lexus for comfort/reliability, and V8 cruising.
@@mrsittingmongoose It has 472 HP and weighs 3891 pounds. Wouldn't call that underpowered or heavy by any means.
Just depends really on what you want. I’m always going Lexus because I keep my cars for a while(10-15 years) so I’m just waiting for that IS500. I removed the Type-S from my list too from this review. Seems so lackluster :/
Reading the comments, my current decision on the IS 500 as my top choice seems to be a good one. I do wish the technology inside the IS 500 was better and overall performance closer to the 340i, but the overall package (V8, reliability, comfort and resale value) of the IS 500 is what is pushing me toward sticking with the IS 500 as my top choice.
The best part in comparison to many of the other brands is the cost of ownership. Acura is much lower than a MB or BMW especially 10 years from now. In comparison, they are all 3 star luxury-style service experiences. The tech. (HUD - full-digital gauge cluster) on the BMW 3 Series bowls me over and combined with the engineering and hybrid option makes me consider getting one. I have a 2016 TLX tech i4 (superb value). I just worry about the cost of owning a BMW. Thanks for the great informative vids.
I’m amazed that Acura hasn’t changed to a RWD based platform. How do they expected to compete in this very competitive segment?
Will never happen unfortunately, since they share drivetrains with momma Honda and SUVs are their most popular products between both brands.
@@DavidH210 This car doesn't, that's clear by how much heavier it is than the Accord
Like Audi
@@--------.--------------------. it is a luxury variant, has more equipment. But every TSX/TLX has shared the same platform and drivetrain across Acura and Honda in the past. Doesn’t make fiscal sense to create a platform for one model only..
Wish you guys would test a Giulia Ti Sport Q4 as no one seems to! I test drove this Acura as my Giulia lease was ending and the TLX was embarrassingly bad in comparison. Ended up buying the Giulia out with a cheap warranty because I can't find anything as good.
The Gulia is slept on a lot.
I love the Giulias. I almost got one. Just wish they made a middle tier motor with around 350ish hp. Either get the 280hp 2.0t or the monster 2.9tt v6 but for 90k. The 2.0t in the giulia is very potent tho. I think it’s quicker then this Type S. The giulia handles amazing. You can just flick it around. I ended up with a Stinger GT. The 3.3tt v6 won me over. Still love the giulia tho!
A sporty, daily driver with AWD for winter...you can find Certified's with 5,000 miles for $45-$48k easily. Not everyone cares about 0-60 times. This with normal maintenance will outlast any German. And you won't be spending $200/hour on labor either. BMW and Mercedes are good for leasing for 2-3 years...after that I wouldn't touch em.
Let's not forget 212.8M people in the US live in households with combined incomes of well below $100,000 annually. Commenters act like they aren't part of the ~70% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck LOL. Sit down guys.
Performance aside...the Acura is gorgeous!