Actually your vid is the first that I’ve seen showing that the vision is better…. it shows the pillars. Lack of a cm distance doesn’t seem important to me if the colours are consistent with distance. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I agree with your comment but I think since we have grown and got used to USS with distance, there’s a much bigger change curve to adoption. Also acknowledging it isn’t perfect!
@@ZappedAU My first four decades of driving I had to use just pure vision to estimate distance. It’s only the last decade that I have had sensors on my car. I assume that in time the AI will be better at it than I am. So I won’t miss this recent introduction of ultrasonic measurements. 👍🏼😁
I know exactly what you mean. Whilst I haven’t driven as long as you, my first car had no cameras too! Learning to drive old school with eyes only has definitely gone out the window!
@@ZappedAU Yep, agreed, mate. I tried Tesla Vision and switched back to USS within a few minutes. Why swap something that works for something that doesn't work?
I see your point. The only bit I felt vision worked better in my video was the fact that it identified a pillar whereas the sensors didn’t really pick it up as well. Having said that… pillars are pretty big so I’m pretty sure 99% of people would see it. I’m sticking by my words to test vision for about a month and will report back!
The inherent problem is it should use both. The USS is perfectly accurate for tight spaces and also shows when you're close to other cars NOT reversing etc.. TV doesn't seem to do that, and it's not great going in a tight garage. I'm using Summon every day in and out of a tight garage with USS and it works so well.
@@ZappedAU I did get EAP :D Loving it but yes, definitely favouring USS over TV right now. I'm still gonna give TV a week or so to do my garage reversing / some parking and really monitor the sides, but I just appreciate having the sensors and not some Rorschach blob test haha
Thanks for the test. One thing difficult to test is the reliability after years. Full vision parking no one has ever done before. Are those cameras still providing the required image quality for parking assistance after years in a real world? No one would know today.But ultrasonic sensors have been tested more than a decade. And it is relatively cheap to get it fixed and replaced. Keep in mind, if the reliability of parking assistance is a deal breaker for you, probably it’s not a wise decision to buy a Tesla today as this thing is still in experiment phase, to be honest.
Experiment or not; it was (based on factual data) the most popular selling vehicle (Model Y specifically) in 2023. I think at this point in time, I still prefer the Ultrasonic sensors but I have not switched back yet!
@@ZappedAU Just like laying off the entire supercharger team in one day. So many controversial decisions made by one man overnight. Yes, 2023 best selling with ultrasonic sensors, indicate stalks and growing supercharger network. After all these things gone, will it still be the best selling in 2024? Have a look at their inventory today.
Nice test. I was pretty skeptical about the vision park assist but it's actually a lot better than I expected. It still seems like it needs a bit of work when it comes to tighter spaces as it's a bit too conservative but in general it seems pretty good.
My argument is you always have your eyes anyway. The vision system seems superior at this point. Carparks are designed for cars without vision systems or parking sensors so you should be able to park fine without it. Always remember GOAL (Get Out And Look) if you can't judge the distance from the drivers seat.
@@DerekDavis213 Ultrasonic sensors are far from perfect. Very easy to reverse into a pole between two sensors or drive over a low garden bed. They have a much narrower beams than you may expect, and are only accurate at very close distances.
Fair point but in tight spaces, the sensors do work very well. Ultimately both have a use case. I do hope that Tesla doesn’t just disable the USS though.
@@ipullstuffapart And then there's the 8 Tesla Vision cameras, combined with AI and Neural Networks. And that system is so dumb, it will drive right thru a gate, right over a ladder in the road, and right over potholes and broken glass in the road. And it cannot read signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED, etc. Tesla FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, that is *years* *away* from Full Autonomy.
I got the USS for a reason. I don’t fully trust TV and am hoping to get a blended view. If not I’m sticking to USS, it’s robust and not gimmicky. Remember, it takes one mistake to damage the car or someone else’s car. My question to Tesla is why release something that is not a 100% reliable.
_why release something that is not a 100% reliable_ Tesla does everything to *cut* *costs* : no dashboard, just an iPad screen Ultrasonic sensors removed Turn Signal Stalk removed fast mediocre paint job, to save time
You don't need a front camera. The problem why it wasn't seen is because the driver changed the setting from USS to Vision. If he drove in directly with Tesla Vision he would of course see it because the data is evaluated like when a person drives and sees something in front. Removing USS was the right decision; in FSD all cars drive without USS when deciding how to drive. The point of Tesla Vision is that a person who is driving only sees what he sees; he doesn't need ultrasonic sensors to estimate distances. In the long term, Tesla Vision will be better than the mature technology of USS.
I just parked in my garage with TV turned on. I was very surprised to find that it doesn’t display distances to solid structures unlike USS. Pathetic! I’ve now turned it off and gone back to the USS. Very disappointed!
Actually your vid is the first that I’ve seen showing that the vision is better…. it shows the pillars. Lack of a cm distance doesn’t seem important to me if the colours are consistent with distance. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I agree with your comment but I think since we have grown and got used to USS with distance, there’s a much bigger change curve to adoption. Also acknowledging it isn’t perfect!
@@ZappedAU My first four decades of driving I had to use just pure vision to estimate distance. It’s only the last decade that I have had sensors on my car. I assume that in time the AI will be better at it than I am. So I won’t miss this recent introduction of ultrasonic measurements. 👍🏼😁
I know exactly what you mean. Whilst I haven’t driven as long as you, my first car had no cameras too! Learning to drive old school with eyes only has definitely gone out the window!
Hopefully, this release is not a precursor to USS being disabled on a permanent basis.
Fingers crossed not! Everyone should keep toggling onto using standard/USS in the meantime!
@@ZappedAU Yep, agreed, mate. I tried Tesla Vision and switched back to USS within a few minutes. Why swap something that works for something that doesn't work?
I see your point. The only bit I felt vision worked better in my video was the fact that it identified a pillar whereas the sensors didn’t really pick it up as well. Having said that… pillars are pretty big so I’m pretty sure 99% of people would see it. I’m sticking by my words to test vision for about a month and will report back!
USS can't see curbs, back or front.
The inherent problem is it should use both. The USS is perfectly accurate for tight spaces and also shows when you're close to other cars NOT reversing etc.. TV doesn't seem to do that, and it's not great going in a tight garage. I'm using Summon every day in and out of a tight garage with USS and it works so well.
Ooohhh did you get EAP or FSD? Hope you’re enjoying the car :) I think for tight spaces the sensors (USS) definitely works better.
@@ZappedAU I did get EAP :D Loving it but yes, definitely favouring USS over TV right now. I'm still gonna give TV a week or so to do my garage reversing / some parking and really monitor the sides, but I just appreciate having the sensors and not some Rorschach blob test haha
Nice! What was the decision around buying EAP? I’m yet to buy. Still contemplating!
@@ZappedAU for me the auto park and summon, as well as lane change without needing to turn off autopilot
Thanks for the test. One thing difficult to test is the reliability after years. Full vision parking no one has ever done before. Are those cameras still providing the required image quality for parking assistance after years in a real world? No one would know today.But ultrasonic sensors have been tested more than a decade. And it is relatively cheap to get it fixed and replaced.
Keep in mind, if the reliability of parking assistance is a deal breaker for you, probably it’s not a wise decision to buy a Tesla today as this thing is still in experiment phase, to be honest.
Experiment or not; it was (based on factual data) the most popular selling vehicle (Model Y specifically) in 2023. I think at this point in time, I still prefer the Ultrasonic sensors but I have not switched back yet!
@@ZappedAU Just like laying off the entire supercharger team in one day. So many controversial decisions made by one man overnight. Yes, 2023 best selling with ultrasonic sensors, indicate stalks and growing supercharger network. After all these things gone, will it still be the best selling in 2024? Have a look at their inventory today.
Nice test. I was pretty skeptical about the vision park assist but it's actually a lot better than I expected. It still seems like it needs a bit of work when it comes to tighter spaces as it's a bit too conservative but in general it seems pretty good.
Well said. I’m still concerned about tight spots but I’ll continue to test vision and see how we go in the next month!
My argument is you always have your eyes anyway. The vision system seems superior at this point. Carparks are designed for cars without vision systems or parking sensors so you should be able to park fine without it.
Always remember GOAL (Get Out And Look) if you can't judge the distance from the drivers seat.
If you have 12 Ultrasonic Sensors on your Tesla, there is no need to Get Out And Look. That's the whole reason for the sensors.
@@DerekDavis213 Ultrasonic sensors are far from perfect. Very easy to reverse into a pole between two sensors or drive over a low garden bed. They have a much narrower beams than you may expect, and are only accurate at very close distances.
Fair point but in tight spaces, the sensors do work very well. Ultimately both have a use case. I do hope that Tesla doesn’t just disable the USS though.
@@ipullstuffapart And then there's the 8 Tesla Vision cameras, combined with AI and Neural Networks. And that system is so dumb, it will drive right thru a gate, right over a ladder in the road, and right over potholes and broken glass in the road. And it cannot read signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED, etc.
Tesla FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, that is *years* *away* from Full Autonomy.
Would be nice to have the 2 combined as uss is useful and vision has his advantages but both would be best of both worlds
Totally agree. Would love to have the CM still display!
The beeps I think were to the pillar. I was even wondering if you were gonna collect it with side mirror.
Thankfully not!
Tesla vision will improve over time but its how much info in can have in vision where uss does not even pick higher object
I hope the graphics improve too!
Sadly it looks like they turn off ultrasonic sensors when you turn on Tesla vision park assist, can't make use of both 😢
Agreed! Would have been great to blend both.
Vwry strange, earlier today I got the software update but the parking assistance option is not showing?
Not sure if it’s on intel based ones yet but go to the Autopilot settings to see if it’s there.
@@ZappedAUI have looked, It's not there
I got the USS for a reason. I don’t fully trust TV and am hoping to get a blended view. If not I’m sticking to USS, it’s robust and not gimmicky.
Remember, it takes one mistake to damage the car or someone else’s car.
My question to Tesla is why release something that is not a 100% reliable.
_why release something that is not a 100% reliable_
Tesla does everything to *cut* *costs* :
no dashboard, just an iPad screen
Ultrasonic sensors removed
Turn Signal Stalk removed
fast mediocre paint job, to save time
I was hoping for a blended view too. Normal reversing seems odd with Tesla vision. Definitely not used to it and I miss seeing the distance!
The worst of Tesla vision is the front.. camera is too far away from the actually object, can’t rely on it for tight parking spaces.
Very valid point. A camera somewhere on the front bumper would definitely help!
You don't need a front camera. The problem why it wasn't seen is because the driver changed the setting from USS to Vision. If he drove in directly with Tesla Vision he would of course see it because the data is evaluated like when a person drives and sees something in front. Removing USS was the right decision; in FSD all cars drive without USS when deciding how to drive. The point of Tesla Vision is that a person who is driving only sees what he sees; he doesn't need ultrasonic sensors to estimate distances. In the long term, Tesla Vision will be better than the mature technology of USS.
Does this need hardware 4 ?
No.
Mine has Hardware 3.0 :)
I just parked in my garage with TV turned on. I was very surprised to find that it doesn’t display distances to solid structures unlike USS. Pathetic! I’ve now turned it off and gone back to the USS. Very disappointed!
That was my initial thought too. I like knowing how far I am in a tight garage!