Commanders that Kept Up With Power Creep
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i think people dont understand that korvold is a precon commander. he is supposed to be an easy engine to setup. Same with prosper etc etc. The problem isnt that they are easy to build and play ( thats the point of them being in a precon ) its simply a balancing issue.
I think you’re are right! It makes sense why they made korvald easy to build. Problem is he is too easy. I honestly think if he didn’t sac on etb or attack the commander would still be relatively easy to build around since sacrifice anything is very broad but would require more synergy before you get value
@@thetrinketmage Honestly, Carmen feels like a more balanced version. She doesn't sacrifice at all herself, but does trigger off of anyone sacrificing. Payoff is she gets big, you get life, and you can reanimate something on attacking.
@@DynmeI think you may be misinterpreting why korvold is strong. It’s not because he can sac something himself, it’s because it’s whenever something gets sacced you draw a card. That is what gives korvold his true power and the same is true for most commanders that let you repeatedly draw. Thrasios is another example and tymna. Card advantage is where it’s at and without jumping through many hoops.
@@OliverQuadros considering that my stronger deck is an Omnath, locus of the roil, it makes sense.
@@OliverQuadros Yeah, I know exactly why Korvold is powerful. A large part of it is the payoff, yes, but a decent part of it is also that you're guaranteed to get that payoff as soon as he etbs.
Carmen is more balanced in that she doesn't immediately enable herself in addition to having a weaker payoff.
Scion of the Ur-Dragon is from 2006 and it's stronger than the Ur-Dragon himself 😂
Ditto. I'll always prefer Scion over Papa Ur as commander. Just so much more reliable.
I personally prefer ur dragon, but it’s mostly due to how I love cost reduction.
Isn't Scion just a combo deck?
I love mentioning Wort. I always find grull a bit strange to play in higher power levels where it isn't yet cedh so winning all of a sudden from hand is frowned upon but leaving my board for a full cycle gets removed. It allows me to use my creatures before they can swing for value and protection
Wort is a great commander to surprise people with. With Jeska's Will and Path of the Pyromancer you can have some truly ridiculous turns.
Wort is my only high power deck. The access to x-spells from red means that half your removal counts as finishers. I let a beginner take it for a spin, and his eyes began to sparkle as he realized he could mess with anyone's turns. Heavy interaction is the best.
Klothys is also an interesting Gruul commander for high power (not cEDH) because she stops graveyard decks by herself, is indestructible, is not a creature 90% of the time and Gruul has some nasty stax/counterplay pieces.
I'm a college professor grading final papers. I was on track to be done grading before dinner time tonight, then I saw there was a new Trinket Mage video.
Students can wait an extra day for grades, I think.
Also, I know you said you weren't going to include commanders that draw cards, but special shoutout to my man Reki. I've had a Reki deck for over a decade and he's managed to keep up simply because WoTC keeps printing good legendaries.
They won’t mind!
Least procrastinating college teacher
@@laurentrobitaille2204 Many of my colleagues slack way harder than our students do!
Responsibilities first my man, unless you are working overtime off course
So this is the type of stuff my professor does while I wait weeks for grades to get entered
Grand Arbiter is still a powerhouse with very few new cards added to the list. He's him.
You just made my head explode. I've owned a copy of Teferi since it came out in original Time Spiral and never thought about using him as commander. Will definitely be trying something
Wort, the Raidmother is an incredibly sweet card for the 99 as well, and also gives you access to gold cards in other colors as well. Copying Cruel, Inspired, or Genesis Ultimatum, or heaven forbid Conflux or something is really sweet.
POV: Mayael the anima is a feared deck at my locals
She almost made the list!
The commander I play that came out before the precons is Rith, the Awakener. At one point I was stating towards another player that the deck is casual and he ended up saying that I create 10 1/1s and then win the game by casting an overrun effect.
Rith is way stronger than that card reads! Every time I see the commander hit the field it’s always a threat!
I wanna give a shoutout to Zur for being really flexible for what you can do with him too.
I really like him as "Astral Slide Cycling Flicker" deck Commander.
But he also works as Voltron and other Enchanter strategies.
One of my favorite decks I ever built was a Zur the enchanter reanimator deck since he finds both animate dead and/or discard outlets
I made a zur lantern control deck where I would search up artificer's intuition to tutor all my mill rocks!
I have a Merieke deck and while she's not going to be as powerful as some of these examples, she's really fun if you break her out occasionally. There's enough untap loops to steal the whole board, and enough blink effects to make the things stolen yours forever.
you mentioning stormtide leviathan and utvara hell kite takes me back. I played those exact cards as finishers when I started playing magic back in the day
I recently took apart the deck because of the way it was playing (or not playing), but a commander I really like is Kumano, Master Yamabushi. For those unfamiliar with this jank legend from OG Kamigawa, he's a 4/4 for 3 and double red that let's you pay one and a red to deal one damage to any target. It was a very fun and silly pinger deck that could actually be quite scary if you set it up right. He could burn face, also, give him deathtouch, and suddenly you can just pay one and a red anytime you want to kill target creature. Oh, and if a creature he pings dies in the same turn they get exiled. So one and a red to exile any non-indestructible creature you can target. I also liked throwing in damage doublers and lifelink.
Couple other neat tricks with mage of zhalfir
-delay and suspend (the spell) get WAY better with him around. Always love throwing one of those down and seeing opponents realize how it interracts with my commander.
-scourge of fleets. Cyclonic fish.
-master of waves+Mystic Reflection on the end step just before your turn. With a decent devotion total this is basically fog, rift, or die for your opponents. Edit: oh wait. They can't do the first two.
-triskaidekophile. Flash in just before your turn. Then just count to 13 and win.
Oh I’ve seen delay but suspend is some tech I haven’t seen yet!
Maybe i should give him a shot. i absoluelty love Gandalf the White and playing ad instant speed, and i love me my creatures. i think with Teferi i could create a much bigger Monster than Gandalf
Augustin IV is what taught me, as a Green player, to always bring a suite of Interaction Shutdown cards to Commander Night.
Definitely one of the most frequently seen helmers of Counter-Removal Piles that have become so ubiquitous of late.
It’s an interesting presentation, though.
Its a newer card but Lathril still holds up. For older commanders that have survived power creep, you always have Empress Galina, who can steal your opponent's commanders.
One thing getting stronger in modern Magic is enchentments. This means Zur the Enchanter has aged like a fine wine.
Despite this, Ill stick with Gisa and Geralf Zombie Tribal deck. They were my first commander deck I ever built. They go under the radar due to their power. The deck operates well on its own and can win a game quickly. The commander just acts as a bluff.
I saw the video and I forgot to comment my favourite from the old sets.
Saffi eriksdotter is one of my 2 pet projects right now trying to make a predh non blue deck that is super strong. The normal edh deck is actually really really strong and fairly easy since compared to the predh deck has like double the amount of relevant pieces and like 3 times more card draw.
Teysa, orzov Scion is the other. Basically both decks are aristocrats decks with the former being unique by lacking black.
Obviously the moment you include blue in the conversation you get tons of cards. The one I haven't finished, but actively working on is niv mizzet firemind(Dracogenius is a card from 2012). The deck is basically just like niv mizzet parrun if you go for wheels and focus on card draw more than control. The only reason I haven't finished it is that I am borderline thinking of using it as an alternative commander for my niv mizzet parrun deck when I need a weaker commander.
Finally I haven't build nor played that one but it you want to be really fancy and weird dakkon blackblade is a unique from legends that has power and toughness equal to your lands. So basically you can play a really unique esper landfall deck. And all that while playing a card that it is older than most people playing the game today including myself 😝😝😝
I didn't know Balthor the Defiled existed and honestly it looks like one of the most badass cards to play with. I just dunno how i would go about guaranteeing his ability or similar abilities every game? I feel like knowing my luck, I'll mill myself and never get to use him properly.
I’ve had a Chainer, Dementia Master deck for while now, and it’s a powerhouse.
You mentioned the Jhoira deck playing out a Kozilek, but I want to highlight that colorless commanders in general have gotten much better between the eldrazi precon and cards like Geode Golem- The new Fomori Vault & Arid Archway also make the decks better!
Very true! And I think MH3 might push that further!
Honestly this was a great thing to look at, and one of my personal recommendations for strange options is actually a more recent uncommon commander: Bill the Pony
I’ve built it as Voltron, artifacts matter, toughness matters, and food. It’s all different directions that either ability fuel
My friend has a jhiora eldrazi deck with extra turns sprinkled in and its nasty. Its only gotten better over the years, and he is instant arch enemy the moment she is cast.
From OG legends Rasputin Dreamweaver still amazing who knew a repeatable and blinkable mana rock that does not need to tap to add seven mana and even without blinking can add some mana is pretty powerful to have in the command zone. It also fogs a little too.
this! im glad someone mentioned him, this is an abosolute powerhose in those decks
i have a wort deck... man, i havent added any new cards for like 2 years.. ,besides "the one ring" and its slapps SO HARD...i use it as a "X" spell commander like u said" but i use burn x spells , so i ramp hard, conspire ramp... then conspire the big x spell then i conspire a copy spell if i have it so , I'm hitting everyone for like 60-100 damage in 1 turn... its fun.
Sigarda Font of Blessings is still my favourite commander so far
I’m not so much into super high power EDH, but Wort would be a great commander in a Slime Against Humanity deck
Throw a Thrumming Stone in there for some extra shenanigans.
Wort is so good now with all the "discard 1, draw 2, make some treasures" cards like Big Score.
When she was first printed, Gruul had very limited access to card draw, now it's on par with blue.
Sedris, the Traitor King is a nice reanimator/combo deck
This video is tempting me to start assembling a Jhoira EDH Deck haha
She can be pretty fun. I've had one since starting edh years agp, and she's changed into "Edgin, larcenus lutenist" to try to be more fair (it was slightly kinder, and much more restrictive to me), amd "the tenth doctor" paired with "donna noble" which is much slower, while having the other two in the 99.
My oldest commander is Lu Bu, Master-at-arms. It is a 4/3 with horsemanship and haste. The entire deck is ramp, card draw, and permanents that increase the combat damage of Lu Bu. It wins a surprising amount of games.
Sweet horsemanship Voltron!
yep Horsemanship is basicly flying but with a different word (if i remember correctly Portal: 3 kingdoms had no flying creatures in it)
also one of those cards with horsemanship used to be in a legacy/vintage deck (or its sideboard) because its basicly unblockable
Trinket Mage my dude, you've quickly become one of my favorite mtg youtubers. Keep it up dude!!
Thank you! I’ll try to keep it up! Hopefully you like some of the things I have planned!
More, please! Very inspiring
I have Animar as the head of my eldrazi deck with heavy proliferation. Its really great, always fun to play!
THANK YOU for this video. what you say in the intro is exactly my mindset on the Elder Dragon Highlander format that has become "Commander" ever since WotC decided to mangle it
even though I started playing commander with a precon from C15, and I have precons from C16 and C19 as well, I still find that the powercreep has been getting exponentially worse, especially since 2019.
I love my first Marchesa deck, the Black Rose and it's still going strong
That commander is pretty sweet! I saw one recently at my LGS who played her as a modular tribal deck
@@thetrinketmage also fun with that enchantment that says whenever a creature dies return it to your control with a +1/+1 counter
edit it was called Grave Betrayal (5BB) enchantment : Whenever a creature you don’t control dies, return it to the battlefield under your control with an additional +1/+1 counter on it at the beginning of the next end step. That creature is a black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
The original partner commanders aged extremely well.
I still stand by Brudiclad to this day. One of the most fun and unique Izzet commanders, and he only gets better as creatures and token generation get better. Just try to treat him as a 6 mana sorcery and wait for the perfect opportunity to cast him, as he usually only needs to do his thing once or twice.
I've had Derevi for more than a decade now. Prossh Foodchain with Undying combos is still nasty.
Wort the Raidmother was one of the first commanders I built. The best card? *Possibility Storm*. You get the Conspire copy of whatever you cast AND a new spell *that you get to conspire as well*, and everybody else gets chaos. I was not allowed to play that version anymore, so right now she's being retrofitted a forest typal Awaken The Woods copy Impact Tremors gatling.
Coincidentally, Jhoira of the Ghitu was my very first commander, ended up scrapping her too because, like you said, the game plan (any game plan) was the same. Cast her, Suspend nasty stuff, wait. I miss her though. I should call her...
Merieke is a powerhouse with the ability to make a person at the table play highlander and only got better with crime being added. Also saavra is a grave pact in the command zone and I believe she only sees little play cause she generates unfun play patterns cause she is too strong in a golgari aristocrats shell
In the same vein as Balthor, Chainer, Dementia Master holds up quite well. A 2024 version would cost 2BB and have ward 2 but could only be activated at sorcery speed and only once per turn. And that worse version would still be a nightmare to deal with.
Chainer is another amazingly strong commander who almost made the list!
Good thing about Chainer and Balthor, you can have both in the same deck, and both work as commanders.
I do this in mine.
Chainer is my favorite mono Black commander. I can't remember if I have balthor in that deck, but If I don't I really need to make a spot for him lol.
Kamahl Fist of Krosa: 2024 still blowing up lands in mono green (no one expects mono green land destruction). WOTC wants to keep printing more efficient mana dorks, things that Double/Triple mana and lots of 1+/1+ counter stuff for my Triskelion/Walking Ballista... LOL I even use a Rocket Launcher (That's right MTG has a Rocket Launcher) makes it so Kamahl is still fisting his way to victory ;p
someone i found on Moxfield made a Wort storm deck with Moraug and Ashaya
Pre-2011, I have a hyper Aggro Doran deck. Yoked Ox, Tasseled Dromedary, Armored Armadillo, etc. So many great board wipes for this type of deck. Doran itself is a great Voltron clock. Plus, Tangle Angler, Tower Defense, Shadrix, both Oketras. Just a nasty deck.
Nice! I also still enjoy playing my Doran deck in casual games. My staxy version has cards like Archon of emeria, soulless jailer, meekstone or crackdown + a few beaters such as sidar kondo
Great choices! Think I'll change my mono blue deck from Thassa Deep Dwelling to Teferi for a bit
Hell yea, Teferi is super fun
I do love Jhoira. I don't use the land destruction. That's definitely unfortunately, but she is a bit of a boogeyman. I try to use some pillow fort stuff to keep her safe. I've definitely thought about building Wort. So many great options on here. I do plan to put Teferi into a Simic deck and Grand Arbiter into a Azorius Heliod (the phyrexian one deck). The Dwarf is definitely neat. If it was designed after 2011, it would most definitely be Rakdos to make full use of its ability, but he could be great in the 99 of a Rakdos reanimator deck as well.
I have an Oloro cEDH deck that I’ve won quite a few local tournaments with, I love that he can keep up with today’s cEDH meta while he just sits in his chair
I would add Memnarch, Sakashima the Impostor and Rasputin Dreamweaver to this list
all three were heavly played in my local commander scene back in the day
Rasputin Dreamweaver gets stronger with more flicker support in the colors, as a commander he's just an infinite mana source
Wort I run as a ponza/land destruction deck and ... well I don't run it too often because pods hate it...
since you mentioned Korvold briefly. My favorite commander is Prossh, skyraider of kher, who not only is a free sac outlet and a sac payoff, but he also brings his own gas
I had a great run with my Jhoira Ghitu but had to retire it. It was a bit too powerful and all the extra turn/upkeep made later turns too long.
I still play Zur the enchanter and adapt the toolbox to the power level of the table. There are so many fun enchantments!
My doran deck still wins a surprising amount of games although the commander itself is not as scary as it used to be.
Special shoutout to my girl Phage the Untouchable one of the only commanders people think are unplayable unless the deck is built completely around her when you can use a few cards and tutors to get those cards to get her into your hand then play her. A few examples and even cards that are generally good so you can negate her ETB for ya so you don't lose would Be Command Beacon , Netherborn Alter, Torpor Orb, Sundial of the Infinite (this could be the last action of your turn so it would not be bad), Lich's Mastery, Stunning reversal and or Platinum Angel. Like these few cards do not mean you built the entire deck around Phage as it is just 7 cards that actually allows her to be a playable commander if you play them and some of the cards are good utility that you might opt to run in other decks as well just for the value
Now the more tutors and virtual tutors you stuff in the deck the more it looks like you built the deck around Phage. And what i mean by virtual tutors is for example Entomb Gravepurge you pretty much search and get the card you want into your hand but it has to hit the grave first, like virtual card advantage is still really great card advantage which black is really good at as the only thing that would really beat you at that point is graveyard hate that exiles
Not only do I have a Balthor deck, it also does pretty well most often.
I've recently built Sisay, deck is a house. Love me the millennium calander
I have a pet commander, Commander Eesha.
1. Art by Rebecca Guay.
2. Unblockable but also really good at blocking, so vigilance is a must.
3. There are some really nice card combos I like, like Pariah/Pariah's Shield, or Entangler.
4. Giving it +5 power means I can take out someone in three swings. Things like Ogre's Cleaver or Sword of Kaldra, or Blackblade REforged.
It's not fast and I'm not too big into Voltron without someone consistent hexproof or shroud, but ti's fun to play, especially if I'm playing against another Voltron deck because I can just block with Eesha and be alright most of the time.
Even if you’re not into Voltron’s, you could put Assault Suit on her so that your opponents get access to her and HAVE to swing with her at each other (and can’t sacrifice her, to boot)
@@williamedge5130 Oh yeah, that's in the deck. Mine isn't really Voltron perse, it's more anthem based and has other unblcokables. Some fliers, a couple horsemenship dudes and some shadow dudes. I did however win a game soley with an Ogre's Cleaver, Pariah and Eesha. That was fun.
I firmly believe that my Multani, Maro-Sorceror deck can compete at any casual or higher powered table, and this commander gets even better in pods of 5 or more. This is a commander from Urza's Legacy, and the design had absolutely no thought towards eventual multi-player applications. I love playing this deck, and my friends always groan when I pull this one out. It ramps hardest and draws the most cards of any of my current commander decks and is an absolute total blast to play!
Could you make a video for a deck that’s budget but can win against more expensive decks? I’d love to have a deck list and an explanation to help me.
I recently built Zirilan of the Claw and he’s only gotten better with power creep. Put 100+ damage on the table in one turn my first game with him.
I played that commander for a while! Super fun deck!
Wort is absolutely insane, can confirm. I built a mediocre wort deck out of bulk commons and it slaps REAL hard.
Copying spells is fun!
my favorite pre-commander is probably adamaro. i love aggro in commander
I used wort for my slime against humanity deck, and after seeing balthor and jhoira I might buils them too
I'm using Jhoira as a backup commander in the 99 of Jamie McCrimmon + The Tenth Doctor
you deserve more subscribers, keep up the good work
Thank you!
One commander I find that's still powerful, even all these years later is Mayael the Anima. Sure, the activated ability is expensive, but cheating out huge haymakers of the top of your deck is still insane. This means as bigger and better haymakers get printed the stuff he finds off the top is that much better.
Teysa, Orzhov scion is pretty powerful. I have a fun sekki, seasons guide deck, but it's not quite as powerful.
So if a Commander has card advantage in the Command Zone it's boring but Zur tutoring for Rhystic Study is fun and exciting? I'm having trouble figuring out how your opinions work
No, if a commander has card draw as a reward it’s not as interesting as something else. Does not mean a commander that draws cards will always be boring. Also Zur didn’t make my list, he is an honorable mention. The card is strong and I wanted to acknowledge that I didn’t forget him. But I am not recommending him for casual play. I also think that a tool box commander like zur is way more interesting than a card that just drew a card when it attacked.
Woooh my first deck was and still is a Rith deck
Man, I have a wort deck that has been collecting dust, maybe it’s time to pull it out and play a few games
jhoira is really funny and with de doctor who edition now we can play with suspension with more spell in izzet color
Experimental kraj is powerful and fun too
A guy at my locals, (the one whom I've complained about previously) played a Balthor deck a few weeks ago. He kept a greedy 2 land hand all because he had Skirge Familiar.
It wasn't until turn 5 or so that he finally drew enough land to cast Skirge Familiar. Then proceeds to dump his entire hand- Vilis Broker of Blood, Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Rune-Scarred Demon, Gray Merchant of Asphodel and Archfiend of Despair. He tutors into Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and on the following turn loops Gray Merchant twice and kills everyone.
So, the problem is that none of us had seen that deck before so we weren't really sure what all to expect. Certainly not a suddenly burst turn. He was complaining about how he is mana screwed and how he's low key because he's doing nothing so we left him alone. Then when the game is over he scolds us for not pushing the attack because black pays life to do things.
Sounds like he sucks. If someone pulls a smol bean victory off on me, they get focused thereafter. Until they apologize and repent, which has never happened.
Classic Smol Bean player. Even if he got mana screw on hand, he (at least that's what I understand) was making a landrop every turn. Ofc you didn't knew that was comming, but he was played the Smol Bean strategy
Yep, just like the other 2 comments, he was being a smol bean player. I've played long enough to know how all the politics work in Commander. Theres certain things youve got to watch out for
Everytime I play an Animar deck I'm always the archenemy😬
I still crush multiple tables with azami wizard typal combo. Yes it's very A typical. But I got to put my premium counter magic in somewhere...
Azami almost made this list tbh
@@thetrinketmage she was definitely a Boogeyman then and now. Surprised more people don't know about her.
I also mainstay trinket mage in that deck!
I have built each of these over the 14 or so years of playing EDH. Heh
The chapters look like they were auto corrected to the wrong words.
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I think of Maelstrom Wanderer for this
I've played MW since the Planechase deck and he's gotten way better just because of the card pool. At some point I switched from big free splashy spells to strictly only cards that I can tap sideways to end the game as quickly as possible. Koma, both Etalis, Godo fetching up Kaldra Compleat, Kiora Bests the Sea God, Vaultborn Tyrant, etc etc.
Atla pilani nest tender ( however it’s spelled ) is as strong as you build it. I’m commenting at 2:55 so she might be in here idk
Oh no. I’m building a wort deck now. This is all your fault.
Thanks dunkey
Brion Stoutarm!
Reaper King is just a brutal commander. 5 color commanders are not very hard to pull off these days and with all the changelings still coming, it will continue to get better.
the coolest reaper king deck ive seen was a "mono" black one back in the day, used the hybridmana symbols as its required card of that color in the deck (unmake : W/B W/B W/B exile target creature) was one of those cards
Teferi has been haunting me since Time Spiral. And now you tell me he has only grown more powerful?
All of them have its a mess
Korvold is overhated dont @ me
I don’t hate the card it’s just a good example of not the type of design I want from commanders
If you lost to that godo hand then your opponent was cheating
he wasn't cheating, I've been playing with that guy for a long time. With enough fast mana it's bound to happen eventually!
Derevi!!!!!!!!
I kinda disagree with some of the picks. The situations you have provided such as with jhoira, are somewhat farfetched, especially you would need to wait 8 turns just to cast a big 8-10 cost card and hoping its already part of your hand. I love the topic of this as there are a lot of old commanders that still hold up, though these were refreshing takes, they're only considere at par good commanders.
I have to disagee with the list, that grull comander is horrible even years ago, now is even worst
Do you agree with the other 4 picks?
I love your videos, I followed, but pls get your editor to boost your voice pls. it' really low.
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Do you have a discord server? @the trinket mage
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