Opponent Goes Infinite, but then I go INFINITER | Brewer's Kitchen
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"my infinite combo is better than yours"
Sun Tzu, the art of war
Love me some random sun tzu quotes
When someone says they don’t understand that some infinites are bigger than others, show them this video
Granted, these infinities are the same size (Aleph_0).
It's not about bigger, it is about faster.
Once they wrap their mind around that one, you can introduce them to the idea of multiple sets of infinity.
@@Llanowar_Kitten no they certainly don't share cardinality. They are just both countable. one is still aa0 and the next bigger aa1, at least in this context.
You gotta keep in mind that most set theory notation is context sensitive. And since we are only comparing countable infinities, you still use aleph notation to compare the two sets and possibly do arithmetic on them or whatever.
Transfinite set theory gives me a headache though.
@@SeleenShadowpaw
Yup, pretty solid Mathematical proof ,, infinity " is gibberish and only used for theoreticals and complex math equations that exist only to impress your physics teachers.
Props to the one guy for sticking around as long as he did.
I did not know how much I needed the bell sound effect on Midnight Clock until today.
Anakin: “the video is 20 minutes, but he plays 3 games”
Padme: “so each game is about 7 minutes, right?”
Anakin: * smirks menacingly
Padme: “right?”
Very strange comment.
@@Infamous_V.I.P Strange that this got two likes
Does Anakin smirk menacingly in that meme? I don't recall him 'smirking menacingly'.
@@Infamous_V.I.Pmhmmmmmmmmmmm
Even when you go infinite you need to decide where you stop.
Infinite damage beats infinite life. I think attacking to win is fine. Even if they have 16 million life we would eventually win
Yep, especially since the deck is truly infinite with two Primal Commands to shuffle everything together. It would be another story if they weren't in the deck, though. The Midnight clocks exile themself
@@BrewersKitchen exactly what I think, if you can have infinite turns without ever decking yourself, you are able to do infinite damage. If that wasn´t the case I would ask the opponent if he wants the win and scoop if theyy say yes
While technically true, in tournament the match would almost certainly go to time and be declared a tie. The infinite loop from Phil’s list is non-determinate so it cannot be declared as infinite but he is advancing the board state so he could keep going without a dq. Without an approach, it all comes down to if the opponent is willing to give up the game in the face of a theoretical win or just hold out for the tie.
@@CenJohan not rlly since things like the second sun let the deck win just by cycling out cards with infinite turns
Yeah it's a weird situation anyhow, since currently the opponent if we go by they have infinite squirrels, and have 3 times infinity health, and 2 times infinity plus 1 damage . Where as the other deck, which just stole the two soul wardens would have 2 times infinity health. But that's just numbers that don't really exist, so it's weird and finite numbers would make a lot more sense.
The editing on this video is amazing. A+ for memes alone.
"Another one!"
Finally I know ur busy upgrading the editing on goldfish but we need these vids
Phil isn't only upgrading the editing, he also makes the best content on goldfish! I feel like he eventually might have surpassed the goldfishchannel's views, had he stayed by himself. Nonetheless, I love his videos :)
@@keep7smiling I honestly don't watch any other content on this channel but Brewer's Kitchen.
@@keep7smiling Stability is more important!
@@Orvieta you're missing out, against the odds is so fun.
@@person3176 Presentation and voice acting are irritating to me, something I don't have with Brewer's Kitchen, liked him from his first videos before he went with Goldfish.
They see him playing, they hating. They see him doing videos, they loving.
I don’t feel particularly guilty for killing some one with Gin Gitaxes playing this deck by playing a raider’s wake, then attacking them enough to put them at 2, making them die on the discard trigger on their key to the archive
I started reading this like "Ridin Dirty" but realized that's not where it was going.
@@FlawlessRythym just did the same
@@jamescampbell2353 e3eeeee33e33eēē3eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee³³33
@@FlawlessRythym LOL same. That song was so overplayed that it's burned into the back of my brain now lol
This was definitely entertaining to watch. Putting the bell sound on the Midnight Clocks really helped too. It's kind of a shame that the Approach of the Second Sun didn't end up showing up during your "infiniter" combo, but oh, well.
Jin-Gitaxias reminds me of the number of times people would play Binding of the Old Gods to try and kill my Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider. Good times.
Don't forget people trying to use Binding on Ashaya, Soul of the Wild.
@@AaronRotenberg ashaya has gotten me multiple times when i've tried to play banishing light effects on it
Why doesn't it work?
@@lt422vorinclex says that if opponents would put counters on a permanent they control, they get half that many counters rounded down. this means that enemy-controlled sagas like binding the old gods don’t get lore counters and never trigger their abilities.
ashaya makes all nontoken creatures on its side of the board forests in addition to creatures, including itself, so none of them can be targeted by “target nonland permanent” effects like banishing light.
once I played Elspeth Conquers Death in my Yorion deck hoping to exile an enemy Vorinclex. Damn, I got beat up so hard i can still feel the damage
The design of the preators are my favorite, they really do feel brutal. Being on the receiving end of one of those bad Bois is inevitable death.
Praetor is the new Phyrexian :)
7:30 bell sound fix SATISFYING AF 😌 🎶 👌🏿
Ben is a good sport to let you do as much as you did. I hope he got a good laugh at it.
I love watching people pop off. I enjoy getting attacked by 10 million 100/100 tokens almost as much as I like attacking with them.
I took a break from magic for a year, used to watch brewer on his own channel - it’s a pleasant surprise to see him on a big channel like goldfish! Congrats to him!!
Thank you! And welcome back to Magic :)
Gotta be some of the crispest editing I've ever seen for Magic content!
Thank you! Game one was probably the hardest game to edit in any of my videos. There was just so much going on xD
@@BrewersKitchen Even my wife as a MTG newbie was in awe when you went berserk in Game 2. I had to explain a few steps and moves, but it all made sense to her, and I thank you and her for that.
@@Orvieta Oh wow this is great to hear! I always worry that I'm going a bit too fast with my editing xD
in paper MTG you have to declare an actual number rather than say "infinite" thus the "As many as you can make before you time out" works fine.
I declare nine septillion.
Non exponential effects should not be able to compare with infinite loops.
What my brother and I used to do is declare a number called “X” and assume X is larger than any non-X-derived number. It’s still possible to work with numbers like 2X or X+1, which did come up. Then if another infinite combo comes up we could declare “Y” to be larger than any X-derived number.
This system is loosely equivalent to working with ordinal numbers.
(I meant Cardinal numbers)
@@marcdavis2134 That's not a number, that's a variable... (If my poor math skills remember 30 years of school ago correctly.)
That midnight clock sound is soooo satisfying!! Great job dude
The bell sound intensifying in pitch for each counter together with the drum and bass beat - A+++ You've got the crispest editing on MtG tube!
Now THIS felt this an actual wizard duel.
I HAVE INFINITE POWER! I AM IMMORTAL!
YOU FOOL! I HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO DEFEAT YOU!
I know they are few and far between, but they are so worth it!! I love the editing quality, the smooth narration and great pacing. Take all the time you need!
Man. Ben_as2pik is a trooper for not scooping during that combo. I love that he allowed you to record this. I salute that person until he did scoop. Thanks for that.
*MTGGoldfish:* "HEY! OPPONENT! You said your power level was pretty big, right?"
*"Ben_As2pik":* "Yuh-huh... why?"
*MTGGoldfish:* "Because _my_ power... *_IS MAXIMUM!_* "
*"Ben_As2pik":* ". . . prove it." _[proceeds to get turn-locked]_
As2pik is a french streamer
Been missing the Brewer’s Kitchen content. Good to see ya in a few months. Looking forward to more :).
Sick content as always! Love all of the editing, extra details (clock tower bell chimes), and whacky decks. Also think the game-play version of a deck-tech is a sweet idea! Worth the wait, keep the good stuff coming!
Great video!
When you stopped to explain the finisher, I had instant flashbacks to Guenther Jauch. Great choice of music!
Absolutely terrific content. I’ve been watching Goldfish for years now, and these are still some of the best videos that’ve come from them.
You're videos are sooo well edited. it's still enjoyable rewatch even after several months
The pace, style, and editing on this video is incredible. Great work!
I'm not sure if you yourself edit these videos but I love the way your videos are edited. they're so fluid and funny I live it.
The ad read with the Arena timer. 👌Perfect.
Great video great content. Fun (even if crazy/long) deck...This was entertaining. Thank you for taking the time to produce it!
Playing against this deck is not dumb! Its glorious and everyone should feel honoured to witness its MAGIC!
The editing shown here is insane! Almost as insane as the rest of your videos are fun to watch!
I love this guy! Please keep him around! I don't usually enjoy gameplay videos very much. Something about this guys charm just gets me good
They should implement it to have infinite combos, or some kind of way to detect it
That's very similar to the Halting Problem in computer science. The main difference here is that we're not trying to predict for all possible inputs but for a set of inputs limited by the state of the game and all possible actions in the game, limited by the cards in the decks. Still, this is very nontrivial.
Maybe there could be a way to bundle actions into a set and let the user input the number of times the set of actions be repeated... Still, I think it's much more complicated than it sounds unless for very trivial two-card combos
@Zach, Bro How so? Do players not have to manually work through each step of the combo an arbitrary number of times, limited by timing out?
@@daktastik they do
@@daktastik It might not be trivial, but it should hardly be impossible either. As a general rule, if a set of game rules can run on human brains, it should be able to run on computers. If humans can recognize an infinite loop, a computer should too.
There also variations in the space of "infinite combos". Some are easier to implement than others. The Jin-Gitaxias combo shown here for example, might be a lot more difficult to implement for computers because of the variations of going infinite: it's not a simple cycle because you have some random variation on drawing the necessary Time Walk-like cards. That's not to say humans can comprehend this any better. If my opponent at a tournament explained the Jin combo, I'd still probably ask them to play through it because it isn't obvious that their infinite loop is guaranteed. So a computer not declaring infinite loop victory here is not any worse than a human.
However, it should be relatively easy to recognize the life-gain squirrel infinite combo. You can just have a trigger to look for a cycle of similar inputs followed by a proportional change in board state that doesn't use up any finite resources. When this is detected, give the player a pop-up menu to ask how many iterations of the cycle they'd like to play.
Now we come to the actual game-rules limitation here. If I remember correctly, in actual Magic rules, you can't have actually infinite life. Instead, you can declare any arbitrarily large (finite) number. Which is not gonna be possible with computers. You'll probably need to make sure "infinite" combos still work as expected when you simply declare enough cycles to give players the max number of whatever they want. Considering value overflows and all that stuff.
I have actually made this deck work in Bo3. 7 card wishboard with slight changes (Ugin mainly and a Tamiyo for more ways to get cards back from the yard to loop). Then I put some disputes and Shifting Ceratops in the non-wishboard slots since control is a real bad matchup unless you just happen to resolve Jin. Problem is Teferi, Hero of Dominaria isn't affected by Jin. Then in the main I made a few changes to the mana base and took out a Clock and a Primal Command to have 2 Nissa's for more fast mana and alternate win-con. It's been a ton of fun to play. A few opponents figured out how to waste bad spells to clear the way for their good ones, but for the most part when Jin resolves it's gg.
Glad to have another video from you Phil! I'll take videos like this if it's 2-3 months in between. The quality is just...mmm...chef's kiss perfection.
Sounds interesting! Tamiyo seems great in the sb, good call!
Thank you :)
@@BrewersKitchen Yeah also +1 to dig if needed for a piece. Works well. This deck is a ton of fun. I was hating historic until this. It was all control, thoughtseize kroxa decks or cat/oven decks. This might be the Combo-Control deck Historic needed. Some version of it anyways.
The play patterns are just very satisfying. It's a lot like your Junk Winder deck. Figuring out the sequencing and getting the pieces assembled is just very enjoyable.
@@savagesnadgaming7252 Thank you! Yeah the Junk Winder deck is still one of the most fun decks I've built in a while, it just feels so right when it all comes together xD
Excellent deck my guy! Love busted jank decks! Great narration and production as well!
My gosh... I would pay gems for those bell sounds to be real.
I love your style, the editing and the commentary. Thanks for brightening my day and welcome back!
The editing in these videos is always great, but the arena fuse on the ad read is an especially nice touch.
Hahahaha that “Who wants to be a Millionaire” music was a good touch
Well this was definitely worth the wait! Very fun stuff
I do think there should be a way for Arena to realize you have infinite, just to help speed up the process a little
Ohhh, Phil, total schön, eine eigene Folge mit Dir sehen zu dürfen!! :) :) :)
Danke sehr! :)
You are the reason I subscribed to this channel, to be honest. Good to see more gameplay from you!
They should put in the work to have a popup where the AI recognizes you have an infinite combo in progress. You get to set a slider or type in a number 1-1mil and it gives you 1 token with that number on it, or that much mana, or that much life etc. Make it one clean animation instead of all these triggers. (obvi if opponent has interaction they should also get a fast menu)
Brewing is the best way to play, it's all we would do back when we first started out
MTGA has some incredible content creators.
I live in Canada and I actually bought stuff from Card Kingdom JUST so I could use your code JUST so the editor could get some more money because god DAMN the editor does some great shit.
Please keep giving Brewer's Kitchen money! I will be honest, I watched his channel before I watched this one. His editing and skill is right up there with LVD. I actually subscribed because of this video. Keep it up, MtG Goldfish.
I love how he seems to gain turns not loose them XD
'I activate my infinite combo aleph null times'
'In response, I activate MY infinite combo aleph one times!'
This has to be the greatest video ever thank you for that love seeing someone with a life loop get countered right after worth watching every second
my favorite Jin Gitaxias moment was playing against it and them immediately scooping when I play a revitalize before my borrowed time to bait out the trigger and remove their Jin
I always do a little head bop to that Goldfish/Kitchen hybrid intro. Straight swaggin'
Oh look! It’s the best edited Arena videos on the internet. Long time no see.
gotta respect a deck that runs zero 1-or-2 mana interaction. that's called committing to the bit!
Gotta love that heavy edited video. Worth the wait.
I will say, tho, when I saw the documentary joke I could only feel for Phill... I know how long that must've taken
This reminds me of my standard Alrund's Epiphany deck that I was playing before the card became ubiquitous (last spring, along with Double Vision, Double Vision is basically the first half of Jin-Gitaxias). It brought me to mythic top 1000.
Finally another Phil video, amazing as always 😍
After this game you have the obligation to play Progress Tyrant in a future Commander Clash episode
Episode dropping tomorrow ;)
MY FAVORITE DAY HAS ARRIVED! A NEW BREWERS KITCHEN VIDEO!!!
This was masterfully edited, excellent work 👍
It's awe-inspiring to think about how much work you put into a 20 minute long video.
I have to say, though, the new Jin Gitaxias is a good example of a Bad Mythic. It's miserable to play against, and you can't really have fun playing with it because people are going to scoop when they're on the receiving end (because it's miserable to play against). And it doesn't even set up a potentially-cool Protect The Queen subgame, because it's a 5/5 that blanks the first removal spell that gets flung at it each turn.
That said... it was a sweet deck. May I suggest including some copies of Quandrix Apprentice in the mix? They give you some early-game blockers and some pretty sweet synergy with the Explore + Growth Spiral part of your ramp package.
I like combos in arena, but I do wish it had a system that allowed you to input a combo and just let it roll. Clicking through them/waiting on the opponent to click through is a hassle
I think they need to set up a trigger to detect the same action (with a of counter 5 or less) in a phase and then a prompt asks how many times do you want to do it then does it.
Infinite combos are part of the game, so if they can incorporate this concept into arena, I’m all for it. However I hate the inception of Alchemy into arena.
Wow and now imagine all this card juggeling in paper... :o
Easily my new favorite creator, more videos!
Beating infinite life in paper magic is always a memorable experience. I had a way to do it built into my mono green Elfdrazi deck, which ramped into Prime Times and the original 3 legendary Eldrazi with elf mana ramp instead of land ramp spells. That particular situation sadly never came up, but I did once gain access to my infinite turns on the last possible turn before I was going to lose.
The ideal situation was a turn 2 or 3 Summoning Trap into Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, hard cast on turn 3 or free cast on turn 2 if they countered an Elvish Archdruid, but that's naturally not always how things played out. Most decks ran 1 Emrakul, but I ran 2, 2 Ulamog, and 1 Kozilek. Eye of Ugin + 20 mana+ 2 Emrakul was infinite turns. It could beat infinite life because of it being legendary.
Step 1: EoT use Eye of Ugin to fetch Emrakul
Step 2: Untap cast it.
Step 3: Take extra turn, attack, 7 mana fetch the 2nd Emrakul, 13 mana cast it.
Step 4: Repeat step 3 until opponent ran out of permanents.
Step 5: Cast Ulamog and pass turn.
Step 6: Attack with Ulamog if opponent played a permanent, use Eye of Ugin to fetch 2nd Ulamog, cast it, first dies, and graveyard shuffles into library.
Step 7: Repeat until opponent decks out, which you can't do because of the Ulamog that shuffles into your library each turn.
Dude, your content is stunning. Love your editing. My top 3 fav Magic content creator, hands down
These must take forever to edit, you put so much insane detail into everything!
I'm so sad I didn't open one in my NEO box. I need to grab one later this year.
I can recommend Praetor Tribal in Historic Brawl. Golos as a commander
i recently started playing magic arena after a long time of not playing. its is amazing for me "a roofer who doesnt want to leave his house to play mtg". i say keep the combos its our job to find a way to fight it. i remember during the first theros standard i was pulling a treasure cruise infinite combo and timed my self out and lost. the whole time the opponent in the chat was cussing me out so bad. it was awesome
Yeah I'm a pretty big fan of infinites and engines as well. It's one of the best parts of Magic
I feel like this deck goes into the category that I have in my brain of "decks that are fascinating to make but awful to play against so I'll never do it" lol
If I were the opponent on the other side of the table there's no way I'd scoop to this, not because I'm salty, but because I absolutely love watching insane off the wall combos like this play out and I find it incredibly enjoyable to watch, even if it's my opponent doing it. If it were something like Splinter Twin or some other very common combo we've seen a million times obviously that's one thing, scoop and go on to the next game/match, but when it's something this out of left field I don't understand how you couldn't be enthralled and want to see the whole thing play out. Being able to do WILD stuff like this is what makes magic so great!
This man is one Hilarious, Two explains the decks so well, Three Has a soothing AF voice.
I love the production value of your videos. Looks so smooth and the memes are on point
Commander Clash is the reason I started watching MTGGoldfish content, but Phil is the reason I stayed :D Keep up the great work!
That bell chime everytime midnight clock gets a counter LUL
I really love the pace of these videos, super dense high quality stuff
Always killing it with the amount of time and effort poured into each video. Loved it!
I love how cheeky his commentary sounds. This deck seems fantastic.
I love the editing, keep up the great work.
Your video title alone made me click it immediately. 😁
woah the animation has improved so much
Shoutout to the bloke for staying in the game as long as he did hahahaha legend
Cards I wish were in arena: artificial evolution , isochron scepter, scion of the ur dragon, flash, sky swallower, progenitus, endless whispers, life and limb, spirit mirror, lich's tomb, bazaar trader, and of course chord of calling. My dream deck lol
That combo kill is hilarious and brutal.
"Is he wearing pants?"
Always more of phill. definitely on of my favorite people to watch.
I didn't know there was EDH on MTGA.
You're videos are just pure madness :D. I'm still sitting and laughing about the changing life deck (which i built directly) xD. Go on =D
Great video once again. Always a must watch right now when your videos shoe up in my feed!
Decree of silence returns!
7:00 Opponent could have played Heliod first and then Soul Warden, which would put 8 counters on Soul Warden and result in a forced block with Jin Gitaxias.
*clicks "oops"
Only in high level MTG do you get terms like "infiniter"... and it is perfectly understood. :)
I realize it's hard to evaluate content styles as many viewers will watch anything on MTG Goldfish... But this is really good content. Keep it up!
I only watch Brewer's Kitchen here, mostly because I only viewed Brewer's Kitchen before he went to Goldfish. I don't even know what other content I "should" be watching on this channel, it's just way too much BLAAAA loudness where this random person in the internet makes brilliant videos.
Kamigoochi Neon Poochie feels like the best regular set of 2022
Nice deck. Love to see more of your stuff moving forward.
What I think about infinite life in arena is you treat it as they have as much life as they have patience but I do think arena should have a feature that can loop combos infinitely if it is indeed infinite. If they just choose a number of times they want it to happen, I think that would be cool and that is how the rules for infinite combos in paper magic works too.