Is The Tesla Supercharger Network For Sale?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- With all the news out of Tesla recently, it can be hard to keep up. But one of the most talked about topics is about Tesla's prized Supercharger network. Is it really up for sale? Does it have a future? To find out what's REALLY going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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In the US they employ contractors as well as over here. The majority supercharger staff that got fired were backend staff involved in finding sites, getting permits, organising the contractors, etc. They got rid of these staff all over the world including UK.
I’m off to the north of England next week. Tesla superchargers will be my primary source of energy over this period - in preference to all others.
Ferrybridge is a good stop off, loads of Tesla chargers, dog friendly too
Only if you go via the east coast.
@@EverydayLife621 obviously otherwise you would have to go through Lancashire
If you're going to the everything electric show , there are only 6 superchargers in the town and. Generally very busy. Charge on your way if possible.
@@RoyDanby ‘Arrowgate’ is only 120 miles from me. I could easily get there and back with only home charging.🙂
Dave I think you need to do a little more research on the Tesla Supercharger Department. You are correct that the installations in Britain are not done by Tesla employees. But the same is true in the United States and everywhere else in the world. Firing the Supercharger Department will have exactly the same effect in Britain as it will in the United States. Without the Supercharger Department, who will hire the contractors and pay them. Who will pick the sites and negotiate with property owners. The Supercharger department organized and arranged everything.
How you think this will all happen by itself baffles me.
Elon fired the Department because he was challenged and threw a temper tantrum. He has cooled off and the department is being hired back so hopefully this will just be a minor blip. But remember Dave that without a Supercharger Team these contractors will not magically appear and install supercharger stations.
Great comment. I totally agree👍 Sorry Dave but his successes do not excuse his vile business manor. To be under his shadow must be stress inducing to say the least.
I think you miss the point that a supercharger installation can take several years from thought to commissioning. Sub contractors are in place a long time before work starts. Also at Birch services the engineers installing the Gridserve just got handed the job to finish the Tesla V3s. Who needs a full department of 500 office bids?
@@davetakesiton I understand that a supercharger can take several years from planning to completion. Remember that the 500 people planned and implemented supercharger installations worldwide. Maybe they could do it will less people but they do need people there. This firing of the whole department was not done for legitimate reasons. Elon musk wanted Rebecca Tinucci to cut staff by 15 to 20 percent. She pushed back and like a spoiled brat Elon lost his marbles and fired everyone. He is now backtracking and trying to put something back together. This has already caused serious issues with suppliers and contractors. This has done much damage to Tesla's credibility. There is mass confusion and nobody knows what is going on. I am a supporter of Tesla but what bothers me is all of the apologists for Elon. Sometimes he does stupid things. Sometimes you have to acknowledge that he does stupid things and not defend all his decisions as being brilliant moves.
Sorry Dave, you are simply wrong on this, don't worry it is good to disagree sometimes 😊. Your love for all things Elon blinds you to why this is happening, this is fire and rehire Elon style. He will have a slimmed down team back up and running with someone in charge he can control.
@@whoneedsfacts this happens all the time, in all companies, all over the world. But in the USA its easier so happens more it's not an Elon thing. Although i don't agree with his run lean approach with only keep star performers.
A team of 500 is a large team for a team that has designed the charging software and hardware already, especially in the USA with them all on well over 100000$ a year, for a team that created less than 1% revenue.
Nice one Dave, I don't see Tesla wanting to sell up their supercharging network.
I wish there was a Supercharger in Scunthorpe. We have a massive amount of Teslas and other EVs and one pair of Rapid chargers.
I'm impressed that those independent contractors know where to install Tesla chargers for Tesla without someone telling them where to go. I wonder who tells them where to go, possibly the Tesla Supercharger Team?
I suspect they were told a few years ago when the contract to install them was signed. It won't have changed since then, I am pretty sure the location does not move! And I suspect there are hundreds of contracts already signed out there, awaiting planning, or legal or DNO or their place in the queue. They too will not have moved.
@@davetakesiton If it's anything like most contracting the prices and final contracts with the installers won't have been agreed and finalised until just before work starts. There also has to be someone somewhere signing-off completed works and paying the bills when they land.
Another great video Dave. Will Birch services ever open? Are the v2 or v3? And.. do you know where you can get a list of new supercharger sites that have opened in the last year, or how about charging points in general. Im interested in the rate they are opening. I think i read there are 50 percent more superchargers than there were a year ago
Hi Andy, birch is V3 and taking forever. The workers and engineers here are all sub contractors so not affected by Tesla sackings. There are lists of chargers but they are so inaccurate I barely use them. Some installations fly along, like Gloucester while others like Walton Summit barely move for months. Yes looks over 50% increase so far this year
@@davetakesiton Thanks Dave 👍
Some more analytical and rational thought needed here imo. Of course Tesla outsources installations but somebody somewhere is coordinating for Tesla. Essentially it is at the bidding of Tesla. I think that in fact it does affect us in the UK when the central team in the US is sacked.
There will be a pre-existing raft of work but the likelihood is that once the current works is completed that will be the end of new Tesla installations.
You might want to consider that if Tesla does sell the network then the cost of charging will inevitably rise for Tesla drivers. Any business will look at what their competitors can charge and know clearly just how much more money they can make for every 1 penny increase in cost. By undercutting competitors just now Tesla is gilding the lilly in preparation for a potential sale in my opinion.
And Dave, I am an EV owner so not anti EV.
I think it's clear to see that Tesla supercharger network needs to raise its prices slightly and reinvest back into the network and keep the growth going.
But Tesla installation dept must be involved in where UK chargers will go and finance installation?
Dave what I would be interested in - the cabinets supplying the new V4 dispensers in the UK are they up to say 1000V and I mean the cabinets - if they are then they will be fine for cars that run upto 800V systems otherwise they will still suffer - i.e. EV6, Ioniq 5 and GV60 to name the Hyundai stable so to speak, they would get around 100kW using their onboard inverters. I'd like to think the all new sites will have at least the 800V supply going to the dispensers - is there a way you could maybe check on one of your next trips to some new V4s?
I can’t help wondering if the 14 or so private charging companies that make up the private charging network will change as well.
Being a new Tesla driver I hope that I don't find myself queueing to charge at an open Tesla charging hub.
I've been a Tesla driver and charger for over 4 years and I have not had to queue up for anyone in the last 2 years. And the only reason I had to queue on a few specific occasions in the first 2 years ago was that there were far fewer superchargers and I chose to use two locations that, at the time, each only had two chargers. Now chargers typically have 12 and more. No more queues for me. Happy days.
Cheers Dave
The open to all superchargers are getting so good now I may have to reconsider changing my EV for a Tesla 😊
Plenty of better stuff around.
@@rogerphelps9939 Plenty of good stuff available. I wouldn’t comment on ‘better’ stuff - but I have a non-Tesla EV with which I am completely happy. It’s a matter of personal choice. No doubt there is worse, of course.😊
I’m paying @43 cents a KW in Spain at Tesla. Local towns have free chargers. I’m not looking forward to driving to UK later this year.
stick to Tesla chargers and you will be okay
Hi Dave. I have a question.
Is the recent announcement of the price for the new Renault 5 an example of companies trying to slow the adoption of EVs so they can wring as much money out of their ICE lineup?
Renault said the car would be under €25000 but now is launching at over €32000 with the cheaper one supposedly coming down the line.
Did journalists fall for a bait and switch? Will this be another example of a list price they simply don't expect to get with a real price shaking out a few weeks or months after launch (like stellantis have done)?
It is as I predicted and feared. They have not learned their lesson. A Renault 5 is not a £30k car. I sincerely hope it does not sell. Renault has a number of Chinese relationships or ventures and predicts by 2027 it will halve production costs. IMO legacy auto would be better spending time and money developing those relationships and setting up supply and manufacturing chains ready for a new launch in 2025, 26 or 27, rather than throw money away on models that will only sell in low numbers to a few die-hards and early adopters.
How can I tell which chargers which are open to all have the longer cables? My charging port is on the “wrong side”
Silly Tesla design again.
But do you have an answer to my question?
On the app 250kw will mean v3 or v4 but not guarantee. If you drive a lot you soon become aware of the V4 stations which are much easier if you have an Ipace or similar other position charge port. If not sure you could street view on google to get confirmation.
@@CGNorwich Zapmap have a filter that shows which are open to everyone, only the new V4 chargers have the longer cables.
All V4’s have longer cables. It says on the app which versions are on site.
Do you think this is just the tip of the iceberg Dave?
Be interesting to see what happens when Tesla owners have to queue due to all the none Tesla ev cars charging.
But isn't it amazing that people have been charging their non-Tesla EVs at these open to all superchargers for well over a year and there are virtually no examples of this. Made up media scare tactics are rarely a reality.
@@davetakesiton Yes but the amount of EVs on the road is small at the moment but when and if they take off it will be a different story.
@@Tolcarne-jl3yp Been driving EV’s for years and only queued once at a free Ecotricity outlet about 6 or so years ago.
We mainly charge at home just like everyone else we know who owns an EV, rarely use commercial charging, usually on a trip once or twice a year.
Oddly enough I just passed the local Tesco petrol station, queuing out onto the road, must have been at least 20 cars trying to gas up at 5 pumps (number 6 was covered in tape) so I expect a good 20 minute wait to pump fuel then queue to pay….looked fun….not.
@@stevenbarrett7648 Ive never waited 20 minuets to fill just go to the next one and fill up in 3 minuets .You haven't said how many garages you've seen empty with no queues i think Tesco have there fuel vouchers going at the moment.
@@stevenbarrett7648 Tesco vouchers cause that i never que more than 2 minutes and a further 3 minutes to fill up.
North Norfolk is an EV charger desert.
Sorry didn’t realise v3 and v4 are same power.
I'll buy that for a dollar !
Fight you for that one
@@davetakesiton everyone knows waffoo's can't fight !!!!!
No. Next question.
Hello mate
Hello mate.
I only bought my Tesla because of the charging network
Gives you less incentive to buy a tesla over any other EV in future
Oh dear! Serves you right if they flog it off.
me too
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Gotcha!
Got a stat for the number of superchargers destroyed by copper thieves? No?
Look, copper tthieves must be dealt with and tthere are ways of doing it. Lettting it be a showstopper for whatt is clearly superior tttechnology is ridiculous.
If you want negative facts based on click bait stories maybe you’re asking in the wrong place. Plenty of fake news channels to ask.
Do you think theft is a Tesla problem? If so you’re uneducated on the size and copper contents of the cables.
Put out of action until repaired. Most definitely not “destroyed”. Annoying, but fossil fuels are stolen as well - it may not affect the station that much but is still a crime by the low-life.
Wonder what the stats are for driving off without paying for petrol / diesel ?
@@stevenbarrett7648 seriously? You're comparing a drive off with copper thieves rendering your precious 'superchargers' totally and irrevocably useless requiring THOUSANDS of dollars and resources to get it back on line. What a joke.
Car manufacturers have never been involved in making the fuel for their producs; why should they? Tesla is just an anomaly and their "superchargers", silly name, are just Level 3 chargers that are not as poiwerful as much of the opposittion. Flog it off and concentratte on making EVs that people can afford. Of course tthey are up the creek without a paddle in North America where NACS is just a cosy cartel.
Can't afford one, no?
Because there's no reason why not. How is Toyota getting on promoting their hydrogen car again? Infrastructure counts.
true, 'we've always done it this way' no wonder they are failing with their bow & arrow attitudes. Electric cars, Electric chargers, its a whole new world
Tesla do not make the electricity that is purchased via their chargers, either? C’mon make a decent comment, not a silly claim like that
@@oliver90owner Hmm partially true, Tesla push lots of energy back into grids around the World so in theory what comes out of the charger may have come from Tesla. They are big on energy storage and solar so not all that's used is from other suppliers.
So far month our home solar put 161.36Kw into the grid so in theory if I chose to charge away from home I could be using my own home-grown power. I guess its a bit like the internet, lots of companies supply data centres and storage solutions that the rest of us can access some bits for 'free' and some we directly pay for.