Four Victorian teams on the HOT SEAT coming out of AFL Round 5 - The Monday Means Test - SEN
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- David King and Gerard Whateley unpack all of the action from Round 5, only on SEN!
0:00 The state of the Bulldogs
11:31 West Coast got their first win of 2024
13:10 How big of an issue is Hawthorn?
19:33 Unpacking Carlton v Adelaide
24:58 Where do the Saints sit?
27:28 Butters avoids suspension
31:47 Pressure on the Giants
36:24 Unpacking Port Adelaide v Fremantle
39:14 Confidence back in the Lions
40:58 Seedings
#afl - กีฬา
wonder how long the cats need to go undefeated to get spoken about lmao
Well siad go roos
They aren’t a Melbourne team so a few more months.
@@laurens4561You do realise Whately is a Cats fan, right? 🤡
3 of the teams they've played have won a combined 1 game!
you've beat 11th, 12th, 16th, 17th and 18th, softest 5-0 since North won 10 straight.
If essendon beat crows next week they've beat the exact same teams as Geelong has except for North, but i doubt they'll be anyone saying their a premiership chance.
You're playing 10th, 6th, 5th, 3rd, 8th and 1st the next 6 weeks, we'll see if Geelong are for real during this patch.
If Banfield had done the same thing to Butters, he'd be watching the next few weeks. But because Butters is in the hunt for the Brownlow and the umpires love-child, it wasn't even a kick.
If contact was made Butters would be getting a few weeks. MRP is outcome based, if a player doesn’t make contact or contact is minimal, there won’t be a punitive measure. It is entirely luck based in many instances, a few centimetres or millimetres can be the difference between a longterm suspension or a fine.
@@Jamie_one_of_many_prophets Banfield cops it in the chin, rotates 360 in the air before landing and there was no contact? You must be on the effin MRP.
@@joshmc5882Calm down. I didn’t make any assertion that the MRP findings were correct. Players often exaggerate contact to get frees. It is unclear if that is the case in this instance. There doesn’t appear to be any injury as a result of Butters actions which you could argue some onus should be on the other player to protect themselves from frontal contact. Butters aggressive attack on the ball could’ve resulted in an injury/concussion but he made an instantaneous decision to adjust his body to reduce the likelihood of harm.
Hey man Bigfoot called, he wants his tinfoil hat back.
@@Jazzanaught What a valuable contribution.
If Brisbane win their next 2 against GEELONG/GWS I reckon they're once again premiership faves.
Beat the two unbeaten teams with players to come back then yeah fair
And if they lose those two?
@@terrythekittieful "Fagan out" etc
Powell-Pepper was undeserving of 4 weeks and the subsequent MRP findings have been inconsistent. Crouch contact was worse than Powell-Pepper and the previous week, Pickett action is also arguably worse yet only received a 1 week ban and Melbourne have the audacity to challenge the ban. It is apparent the AFL cares more about the spectacle than it does about the head and player welfare. There needs to be clear guidelines and perhaps the bump itself should no longer be a football action as the risk for concussive outcomes are far too frequent and the uncertainty of future ramifications too great.
If the bump is outlawed then surely the same should apply to any tackle where a player is brought to ground, as there are perhaps 20 instances per game where that occurs. Any action where there is potential for a severe head injury should be penalized irrespective of the outcome if the AFL is dinkum about the head being sacrosanct - which of course they are not (until such time as some poor devil gets a broken neck).
@@morningsky8045 They have attempted to reduce head contact when tackling by awarding the person being tackled if any swinging motion occurs. It is an impossibility to remove risk from a contact sport unless you are willing to significantly compromise the game. If a player’s actions are unreasonable or their actions don’t align with a football action than they should be penalised accordingly however the inconsistently is quite jarring and infuriating at times.
@@Jamie_one_of_many_prophets "It is an impossibility to remove risk from a contact sport unless you are willing to significantly compromise the game."
And there you have it. As someone approaching 70 I have witnessed many drastic changes to the game over the journey - yet it has somehow survived and indeed become even more popular. With the concussion protocols now in place, the last thing we need is for players to be missing simply because they are the victim of a tackle that causes sufficient head trauma to be ruled out of a game.
the AFL is the CFL,Corrupt Football League,their ship is sinking,anyone who pays n goes to watch the constant cheating and engineering needs to have a good look at themselves,its hystericaly embarrassingl how engineered the game n outcome is now
What does Kingy mean by a top 4 list regarding the Bulldogs. The game is so tough, so competitive, how can you rank lists, games are won week to week on the field, not on paper. Games are decided by a kick or even less within the last minute. Even the premiers Collingwood had to fight for so many games right down to the wire last year, so again, i dont believe anyone can say they are a top 4 list, they can say we have a good team on paper but thats it, it doesnt guarantee you anything, you still have to fight tooth & nail for wins most weeks. Teams are so close these days
Sir Kingy sir Wheatley respect great show again ❤
How to call a club ugly in 4 words:
Lost to West Coast
amen
The biggest club in the land with 3 premierships in 4 years and now clearly headinginto a new era .... every other club could only dream.. Go 🐅🐯
Now we just need to unearh the next Richard Tambling in the draft ... Lance Buddy who?
Hay Boys I'm a Swans supporter and was disappointed that you failed to mention the 4th string in the Swans mid field bow, James Roebottom, he tackles everything and also O manages to hit the score board. Go Swans!!!
Banfield should have been awarded a free kick for high contact. Outcome would likely have been different. Credit to Port Adelaide. The way Butters and Dixon spoke after the game complementing their opponents spoke volumes about them and their team's culture. Go Freo. Kingy says you can go on a run so let's see you do it! Darcy Back = Finals bound.
So the demons beat port in Adelaide not even 2 weeks ago, and lose to the lions who have played 3 games in 25 days vs the dees who've played 5 in the same time & are somehow not seeded, but port are second? Might as well have the eagles at 1
King’s anti Port stance is clear to see he is significantly out voted by the vast majority of experts. He is still angry about Jason Horne Francis. It’s time he moved on or moved out
Beveridge the luckiest coach in AFL history. Not only the worst coach to ever win a flag but the worst coach still be in a job.
@RDS2929 not a chance and I say that as a freo supporter 😆
I think Chris Fagen is the worse coach in the AFL at the moment. Serial loser who’s pissed up such a dominant list against the wall, least Bevo has won something.
@@COVIDPLAYSOFTHEWEEK12345LOL oops, accidentally got them to a gf last year
@@sonjakozman1699 congrats on making a grand final and losing. A toddler could achieve this with the list they have. Worse game day coach of this era. Great to watch him squander a potential dynasty as an opposition fan.
Players going for the ball need to protect themselves now as well. Crouch did the right thing, textbook in and under, wanted the ball more, old mate was second best and got smacked
I agree. Come in side on body braced for potential contact, however ... where is the contact coming from? And who do we hold liable in today's moderrn litigious society.
Re: box coaching v ground coaching: Box coaching provides advantages that ground coaching doesn't, else why would coaches do it?
Want to speak with the men, then be with the men.
Want to evaluate structure and tactics, then coach in the box.
Pluses and minuses to both.
I would love the AFL to force all coaching on the bench. It would be far more entertaining watching the beefing.
@MrWhitmen1981 I like that coaches have the option. Some teams perform better with the coach in the box.
It creates good tension.
No one is yammering that ground coaches can't see structure breakdowns or player/position mismatches as well from the ground.
I love that the sport allows this tension.
To gain extra perspective (box), you lose rally and front line messaging.
It's so cool as is. Should be left alone.
100% with Kingy re the step back on concussion
Interesting to see how disappointed Mitchell is. Just realising where they are at? Clarko clearly knows where North are at and longer term, we can see where these two teams might end up.
Butters is different becasue he doesn't brace for contact or take his eyes off the ball at all. Crouch does both at the last second.
Sen need a clean out motion
ah yes the classic media message of "Essendon doesn't win, their oppositions just loses" at least that's how it feels some times, your team is only valuable to the afl media if you're losing because of standards the media raised. classic.
I get what you mean, they linger a bit too long on why the other team lost. For some reason we are drawn more to understanding adversity
@@sonjakozman1699 at least it wasn’t afl 360. Brisbane and Essendon had their best wins under their coaches and possibly best in 20 years each, yet Jason dustall and Sydney stabbing get more analysis there (and that’s not even a joke).
I’ve been waiting for days for any real analysis and every time it’s brushed aside to go “oh woe is bulldogs”
@@user-fw8vr3pu8e talking about the Sydney thing, that'soutrageous, we tune in to football to forget about horrible sht like that.
@@sonjakozman1699 I mean I think it’s fair that it gets a mention to some degree, a former afl player lost a daughter, and gws players knew people involved, but it’s sad that it took up so much time for analysis
@@user-fw8vr3pu8eBrisbane hardly got a mention until they were in the Grand Final last year, and couldn’t be ignored. It was all Carlton and Collingwood. Commentators have their favourite teams.
Completely Disagree with Kingy on the Butters hit.
I don't think I've ever disagreed with Kingy more than his take on the Dogs. Just sat listening open mouthed for 5 minutes.
The funny thing is, we all know if it was a Vic player, King wouldn't be bleating on about it so much.
Bevo to the lions would be a club killer. Seriously does Kingy know what AFL is?? Why on eath would we want him😅
Don't you want to know what it looks like to have charlie cameron suddenly moved to the half back flank and then dropped because the coach says he is out of form?
@@tb7667dei?
Hawthorn and West Coast need concessions? Give me a break. Premiership clubs in recent memory! Let them figure it out for themselves and not splash handouts. No to priority picks all round. Sink or swim.
Is it hawthorns own making really?
nth melbourne get draft assistance - ladder finishes: 15-9-12-17-18-18-17
hawthorn ladder finishes - 12-4-9-15-14-13-16
west coast: 8-2-5-5-9-17-18.
now look at how compromised their draft picks have been
2021
nth: 1->1
haw: 4->7
wc: traded their first to port: 10->12 for 14
2022
nth:traded pick 1 got pick 2 and 3 and change. 2+3 -> 3+4. they chose to get pushed back ie was in their control.
haw: 6->7
wc: traded pick 3 out but would have been 2->3
2023
nth: 2-> 2 +compo 3->4
haw: 3->5
wc: 1->1
Every one of hawks first picks in the last 3 years has been diluted by Academy or f/s to a much higher degree than nth or wc, especially when you consider that wc and nth intentionally traded back so any dilution is of their own making.
Total unavoidable points lost due to compromised draft:
nth: 0 (i dont include compo picks)
haw: -853 draft points
wc:-390 draft points
the hawks have been hardest done by from the last 3 years of compromised drafts to the tune of a pick in the range of 20-21. Their ladder finishes are only slightly better than nth and definitely worse than wc over the last 7 years.
Kingy was panicked-justifying the butters bump commentary lol. Bloke realised he was wrong as soon as Gerard explained the grading.
Carlton really should have won that game against Adelaide. They had 30 odd shots and missed half of them and gave up a three goal lead in the last few minutes playing too loosely, not to mention a poor goal review and a couple of freak occurrences like the Kemp dropped chest mark on the boundary at 50m which bounced straight through players to an opponent for a one handed scoop and stab pass to a waiting forward.
So I certainly don't think Adelaide's problems are in any way fixed. The Blues simply gave them too much latitude up the wings and in their forward line and probably should also have cleared out their own forward line as the repeat entries meant the Crows had men back all game and it was being repeatedly bombed in on the heads of the talls. Might be a good kick in the arse for Carlton, although they did take some very important injuries out of that match with a tough round of games coming up in the next month, their injury list is mounting.
How good are the Dogs if you remove Bontepelli? Sure, they have some other good players, but so does every club. Re Bevo.. even in their premiership year they never finished above 6th (as far as I remember).. so maybe they are an average side, who have a couple of guns who got lucky one year....and that was 8 years ago. The way everyone raves about them you would have thought they had won five flags in that time.
And king's team NTH MELBOURNE is Quasimodo
27:48 King forgets that he almost put someone in a wheelchair in the 1996 GF. Selective memory.
You're right but everything he's saying about us is pretty on point.
minus the crouch suspension.
He was a hard player and maybe his mindset is different now.
Opinions can change when new information is presented. That isn't a weakness, it's a strength. Surely you can admit that in 28 years he could have taken into consideration what recent studies have shown and changed his stance on head knocks.
He should have got 15 weeks for that hit on o'brien.
"sometimes a hypocrite is a person in the process of change".
just because kingy did something nearly 30 years ago in the absence of knowledge of the harm he could have caused doesn't mean he can't advocate for others to do better. what do you expect him to do? stand his ground and tell players to belt the crap out of each other? please.
Why has since round 0 throwing the ball not been a free against
It is frustrating incorrect disposal rarely gets paid.
I've seen a couple
Yes to paying holding the ball but need to cracking down on throwing. Melbourne are always throwing not hand balling.
how abt some analysis on north
The 2 biggest issues are umpires not paying holding the ball. The other one is score reviews. Scrap it. It kills the enjoyment out of the game.
The secondary coaches patting them on the back after hawthorn got trounced, that's got to stop. Don't put anything but hey you lost you got to listen and do ten times better, look at how it played it and make an effort to make it a win next game no matter what, then be consistent with every other game get that tough win mentality
This is the same Hawthorn that almost beat the reigning premier the week before.. come on gents lets calm down, they will be okay
Not this year or next, they won’t. Maybe 2026 onwards
"...he didn't quite kill him..."
That all you could say about the Eagles?
who says no, English + Dogs 2nd Round for pick 1/2/3 (whatever the eagles get this year) + McGovern
lol, by the time 2025 rolls around, McGovern has one maybe two at best years in him, not exactly an attractive proposition
Kingy is a bit hypocritical there wants to trade away all the buldog stars then wce old players have a good weekend and says you definitely got have them or your hawthorn..dogs on this basis need to keep there good players or they become..
KINGY 2023: midseason draft get what you can for your aging stars while you can.
Also KINGY: WC without their aging stars, where would they be?
Saints fan here. Ive accepted ill
never see a flag. Marvel Minnow club lost in a fixed comp.
Enjoyment is in the punting. $$$. Punting is life.
Damn, that's heartbreaking to hear
Glancing contact that’s a joke. You can see the sweat jolt Off his head when he is hit
David king hates essendon that much he tells gerread not too talk about them 😂
Protecting the head includes protecting your own head. Players have to stop diving headfirst into dangerous contests, it's bad technique
1 minute and 40 seconds on the Eagles win. Absolutely pathetic and should be ashamed of yourselves.
I'm sure there's 325 pages in the West Aus you can read about that game old mate
Not the point it's a national competition.
It was 16 v 18 in a blowout ... not really a game for the ages.
50,000 people and myself at the game would disagree on that and it deserves more attention than Beveridge's cryptic press conference.
I think David King comments ae really good
After Swans game king bags Scott saying he should be more like Ross Lyon. after a win against st kilda king says Essendon has the best midfield in the comp, then after the loss vs port he says Essendon is going nowhere. I was interested to see what hyperbolic statement he was going to say about Essendon this week.
Dees beat Port and Adelaide interstate B2B but drop out of the 4 because of a loss. Carlton lose to Adelaide in Melb and stay in and Port rise.
Talk about laughable
Big Issue for Hawthorn, thanks Clarkson for the 4 flags , no thanks for poor drafting in your final 5 years left us in a crater.
100% Correct...Hawthorn are trying to play catch up we're 2-3 years behind.
Really shits me that King continues to say “Daniels” when that’s not the guys name. Pretty disrespectful for a bloke whose only job is to talk about footy to get a name wrong and every time he says it.
Beveridge Genius???? A great coach gets the very best out of his players. He is not even close to a genius, in fact it could be argued he is destroying a few careers , certainly not getting the best from his players.
FLAGMANTLE
Bahahahahahaha
@@franki2085 FLAGMENTAL
Gerard comes from equalisation (concession picks) from the opposite position because he supports a multi million dollar succssful club that has been in the top 4 for over a decade. Does it come down to money? Not exclusively but money is a decisive factor in clubs that bounce back quicker from a rebuild. Do we want North, the Saints and the Western Bulldogs or Tasmania to be on the bottom every year? Accountability is important but after 6 or 7 years at the bottom, you've done your time regardless ofthe mistakes of the previous regime and its time for the AFL to help- if for nothing else for the clubs fans.
Melbourne went into the Brisbane game having played 3 matches in less than 2 weeks.
No Bowey, no Melksham, no Hunter and Salem played the game for 5 minutes before going off injured.
Not saying it is an excuse but it is a reason for the drop in energy and even before the match, I tipped us to lose simply because (a) Brisbane’s form isn’t as bad as most made it out to be and (b) 2 tough matches in Adelaide and playing so many games so close to each other, I just sensed a drop off. Guess what? The game played out accordingly.
It is near on impossible to stay up over the course of a 24 week season.
So, to have Melbourne out of the seedings based on this one loss is incredibly naive. Melbourne at least deserved another 2 weeks and then cast judgment after the Geelong match in 3 weeks time.
Brisbane played 3 in 14 days and had to go from Adelaide to Brisbane to Melbourne in the 6 day turnaround.
Also missing Coleman, Doedee, McKenna and Ashcroft who I think are more impactful to the Lions than those listed for the Demons.
The amount of tinfoil hat theories going around about Butters would make a flat earther blush. Get a fucking grip of reality guys.
King read a bit too much into Mitchell's press conference, it was just a standard "bring your mouthguard to training" message.
Go home david your drunk
Why’s no one in the media talking about how poor Dawson is playing. He should be in line to be dropped, butchers the footy worse than anyone.
Forced to play out of position because there's a clearly deficiency in big mids. He's the captain and a workhorse with x factor. Zero chance he's ever getting dropped
@@89joshuadavies yeah honestly I hope the crows continue to persist with him in this role. Drive his career and their winning prospects into the ground, fine by me.
Hey King everyone knows you hate Brad Scott and it's so hilariously obvious in your commentary
The dogs totally mucked up getting lobb for 1 mil +. They shouldve gone for hell and leather for a " key" defender. Tim English won't be a ruckman that takes you all the way to the promise land. Grundy was a valuble option and English resting fwd was a good opportunity. Clearly didn't require Jordan Sweet.
They also seemed to have a list of mostly similar players. Why go and get more mids; bramble, harmes, Baker?
They have bont and libba starting mid magnets... 3rd mid, being mcrae, Caleb Daniels, sanders, can't make the cut ?
Seems so confusing down west
Terrible list management/recruitment strategy. Why bring in Lobb with Darcy coming through ... I would say that deal was signed and sealed over a year prior to announcement.