The Greatest Team Ever

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  • @Campbell197
    @Campbell197 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    Its so good to have a channel that makes AFL docos like this (:

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wish there was one for nrl

    • @PhilipShand
      @PhilipShand 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mike04574 What is NRL ? Ahh,just pulling ya chain. I've followed Hawthorn since 1963 so that won't change any time soon.However my eldest grandson is playing League in N QLD under the Cowboys umbrella.He's a graduate of the Parramatta system. (Kyle Schneider). He played for Scotland in the recent world cup so I had to forgive him for not playing proper footy ! Carna Hawks !

  • @chainsawblue3639
    @chainsawblue3639 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I think as the years go by, especially with the ten year anniversary of the three peat this year, people may start to appreciate this team a bit more... I never got to attend any of the Grand Finals as a hawks supporter as I was too young. Never really got to appreciate their brilliance. Now in my recent entry to adulthood we are currently youngest team in the comp, least games on avg per player and sitting at 18th... humbling how quickly a juggernaut can fall.

    • @jammahutter4605
      @jammahutter4605 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and hopefully we'll rise again in the next few years

    • @Hollywoodhomeboy
      @Hollywoodhomeboy ปีที่แล้ว +10

      people often look past the fact that they lost a gf in 2012 and then picked themselves up and won 3

    • @aarongould1485
      @aarongould1485 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jammahutter4605 we will we have the players for it all they need is a few years i reckon we play finals by 27 maybe sneak in in 26 but unlikely

    • @willlukebowen
      @willlukebowen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      8 days later and they are sitting at 16th, great game for the hawks over the weekend.

    • @gggumball
      @gggumball ปีที่แล้ว

      funny cause I was ages 7 to 10 in their grand final/premiership years and it in terms of football they were the worst years of my life simply because it was all hawthorn.

  • @wwedvdfreak6307
    @wwedvdfreak6307 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    everytime you release a video, i know that you put your blood sweat and tears into it, and it bloody shows, keep doing what your doing and you will reach astronomical heights. you have found your target topic and its something you dont really see on youtube. keep plundering along with banger vids and trust me, you will find so many people who are either new to the sport, or lifers. but know this, keep your passion up, keep having fun making these vids and you will never feel like youre working.
    Edit. Holy cow. I wasn't really expecting any sort of actions to take place but it's got 11 likes and a like from the man himself. But really thank you

  • @tims46HD
    @tims46HD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    00:57 , no GOAT debate, no personalities. Well said with the B roll footage too. Hawthorn are still an old school club, family oriented with no million dollar hot shots. They should of won in 2012 and fell short by a kick in 2016 with that fateful Smith miss after the siren. its history now. the Tuck Hawthorn machine dominated the end of the VFL era, Hodge and Mitchell spearheaded the most gifted group of players we may ever see. The new age Hawks guided by Mitchell are a whole new generation maturing together in a tight knit group without superstars or hot shots, they are slowly shaping up to dominate yet again in 2024 and beyond.

  • @albertmiller2electricbooga897
    @albertmiller2electricbooga897 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We are blessed with some quality small AFL creators really

  • @TobyCinema-od9wy
    @TobyCinema-od9wy ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Bro that ending was so good, great vid cant wait for part 2!!!!!

  • @mobbsey
    @mobbsey ปีที่แล้ว +7

    kennets curse part 2 gonna be a blinderrr 🤟🤟

  • @willsaint7469
    @willsaint7469 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Will you do one on the Geelong team of 2007-2011?

  • @marcusberankis8960
    @marcusberankis8960 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So glad I found your channel. Can’t wait to get stuck into this one, keep up the great work mate. Unreal quality.

  • @Ally_Mallow
    @Ally_Mallow ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ooooooo leaving us on a cliffhanger THE KING OF AFL DOCUMENTARIES HAS RETURNED!!

  • @h.r.hufnstuf4171
    @h.r.hufnstuf4171 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    this is why freo's gf loss doesn't hurt like I thought it would, we only lost by 15 to in my opinion the best squad ever

    • @MaxKerstappen
      @MaxKerstappen ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Freo played really well against arguably the greatest afl team on the 21st century to this day

    • @Jackonabus
      @Jackonabus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah the scoreboard was close. The game wasn’t. Hawthorn lead from start to finish and freo weren’t looking like winning.

    • @seanblack5789
      @seanblack5789 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes they did. End of third a 50 should have been paid against Lake for a elbow to the head after a mark. Kick that goal and the margin was around 6 points.

  • @richardandmaxinemc9126
    @richardandmaxinemc9126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mate what a great doco 👌. Really well done 👏. Great content and insight. Love to see you do more. No doubt a lot of time and effort goes into each one.

  • @jackwitcombe765
    @jackwitcombe765 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m 27 so I didn’t watch footy until early 2000’s so I can’t really speak about the game before then, But I think a lot of us didn’t appreciate how good of a team they actually were. We just got sick of them being successful, but when you look back From 2011-2016 their kicking was unmatched. All of those deadly left footers were so precise. The 2014 and 2015 grand finals were a training drill, especially against my eagles. they then lost their best player in 20 years and won 2 more, that’s the stuff of legends. A true privilege to watch them in that era right before the game turned into prioritising athletes rather than skill based players, and the sweetest Cherry on top was they broke the dockers hearts 😂

  • @colinross6259
    @colinross6259 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luv your work. Keep it light and informative. Being a Hawks supporter luv it even more. No probs watching your stories on any AFL team. Need more. Hope you get an earn from the AFL.

  • @CautiousKieran
    @CautiousKieran ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great vid, cheers mate.
    Don't think Iv seen a forward as dominate as buddy was in 08 since. An incredible season. Can't remember any coach revolutionising gameplans like Clarko did either. At least in my AFL era lifetime.

  • @cddkerh4849
    @cddkerh4849 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Afl has to make another finals story series of the 2000s 2010s

  • @BarrellRofl
    @BarrellRofl ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for this. It is good to see Buddy at his height after tonight.

  • @michaelfink64
    @michaelfink64 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. Brought back lots of memories. Keen to see the follow up.

  • @gussysfootyandcricketflix8493
    @gussysfootyandcricketflix8493 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always great way to mark 10 years since the start of the 3 peat

  • @dekafl
    @dekafl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i wish i could have one of these vids every day, love it

  • @bossleonie7658
    @bossleonie7658 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    And it’s currently halftime between Melbourne and Hawthorn. Melbourne are leading by 45 😅

    • @jqreqrqeg7551
      @jqreqrqeg7551 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      hawks def tanking for 1 draft pick gotta be worse then eagles

    • @kyriakoslambrinidis6795
      @kyriakoslambrinidis6795 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Number 1 picking look real nice right now.

    • @Zaiden.
      @Zaiden. ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They come back

    • @Hehawtyragu
      @Hehawtyragu ปีที่แล้ว

      No one cares

    • @JustRandomGD
      @JustRandomGD ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao

  • @PacManSW
    @PacManSW 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely fantastic video 🙌
    Thank you so much for the effort this would have taken to put together. It is greatly appreciated ✌️

  • @6manYT
    @6manYT ปีที่แล้ว

    Ridiculously good video mate, never been a fan of the Hawks given the rivalry with my Swans but this is next level for AFL content and you're really moving the game forward.

  • @jimethota
    @jimethota ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video, I was surprised when it ended. Is there a part 2?

  • @TOBY-P74
    @TOBY-P74 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FYI i was in the crowd directly behind buddy during his 07 kick against the crows. Myself and many veteran hawks supporters all say that was the most exciting game we've ever attended

  • @Ruzzy821
    @Ruzzy821 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Lol Brent Guerra was kicking rushed behinds 40 meters away from goal in the 08 grand final. Clarko is a genius

    • @SUPERRRSAIYANNNNN
      @SUPERRRSAIYANNNNN ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That game is the absolute definition of “outcoached”.
      Truly, the greatest coach in the history of Australian sports.

    • @Bloodynine606
      @Bloodynine606 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can see the smirk on his face too. Hilarious

    • @MaxKerstappen
      @MaxKerstappen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah. We took advantage of the rules with no rushed behinds! Clarko is extremely smart

    • @Codewordthecerealkiller0
      @Codewordthecerealkiller0 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@SUPERRRSAIYANNNNNgreatest modern coach. I don't think anyone could beat Jock McHale

  • @vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112
    @vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember that Adelaide game, I played hide and seek with my sisters on a farm…let’s just say it was one of my favourite games of all time and my sisters thought they were amazing at hide and go seek 😆

  • @hayhaytube5120
    @hayhaytube5120 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great vid mate. Great hawks team which we shouldn’t take for granted

  • @tomlidgerwood6148
    @tomlidgerwood6148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is a sick video, keen to see the channel grow with content like this

  • @cricketandfitness8140
    @cricketandfitness8140 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bro im just realising how flipin underrated u are, plaease keep making footy and cricket docos please bro

  • @SKIPPAFC
    @SKIPPAFC ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good to have u back, it’s been to loooooooooong.

  • @BobSaysWhat22
    @BobSaysWhat22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not AFL fan but doco like this is very interesting as I like sports.

  • @ClappyBiz
    @ClappyBiz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this club so bloody much 🥰

  • @louistomlinsonmusicaus920
    @louistomlinsonmusicaus920 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ITS A GREAT DAY WHEN YOU UPLOAD JAGGER

  • @andrewmcglashan9770
    @andrewmcglashan9770 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Omg your back!!! Love your videos

  • @bigal4109
    @bigal4109 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have wanted this video for ages legend

  • @FT-ki9cn
    @FT-ki9cn ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video mate. You should make a video on the Rat Pack and the problems within collingwood from 2003-2012. Lots of controversy

  • @Dominic01862
    @Dominic01862 ปีที่แล้ว

    a highlight of the year is seeing an upload from you. great video as usual

  • @maitreyaedwards3127
    @maitreyaedwards3127 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Terrific video! Great timing as a hawks supporter

  • @Bubba__Sawyer
    @Bubba__Sawyer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stellar work as usual mate 👍🍺

  • @gratees9690
    @gratees9690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't put them ahead of the Lions of the early 2000s but its a very very close second

  • @cstubberfield29
    @cstubberfield29 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude, you are the king of youtube! Your videos are second to none. Marry me pls. ❤

  • @rerooar
    @rerooar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well I hate Hawthorn but IMO the Hawks of the late 80s early 90s has to be the greatest ever, they lasted so long compared to the dynasties of more recent years. Yeah they lost a bunch of GFs but they were always there, you just got so F'in sick of seeing them.

  • @kalebpanetta8706
    @kalebpanetta8706 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome Video!

  • @patwhelan3877
    @patwhelan3877 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looovellly! Another banger! Can’t wait for more!

  • @alexfrancis8635
    @alexfrancis8635 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see a lions 3peat story vid

  • @humblebundle4569
    @humblebundle4569 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there gonna be a part two hahaha that was a cliffhanger

  • @Bublikorbubley
    @Bublikorbubley ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes!!! hes back

  • @mrcatfish1351
    @mrcatfish1351 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fire video like always! But please do us a favour, if you’re gonna post a video every few months or so please make them longer! They are so good and we want more!

  • @clemboston4723
    @clemboston4723 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re my favourite channel keep up the good work

  • @callanblackley1521
    @callanblackley1521 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome video

  • @luckyilagged2424
    @luckyilagged2424 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing, doing a geelong one pls

  • @robertsheehan5432
    @robertsheehan5432 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Dad ( a die Hawks supporter)
    got his photo on the front page of The Age, after the Merger talks

  • @Gotiges489
    @Gotiges489 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Right, mate set up a patreon so we can fund you for the great work you do and maybe that will lead to getting more regular videos. You’re too good mate

  • @yeahthelozgaming
    @yeahthelozgaming ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so good, the glory days are coming back, thing is though Kennett was proven right by the end of the curse

  • @Marcelo-hf5xl
    @Marcelo-hf5xl ปีที่แล้ว

    This video deserves millions of views but unfortunately our great game isnt that popular

  • @Ruzzy821
    @Ruzzy821 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We should have blown up the list in 2017 after the 0 and 6 start except we traded away burton and we trwded away the pick that led to dursma instead we kept an mediocre list to when Mitchell replaced Clarkeo should’ve done 3 years earlier when some of the players still had value

  • @kingfazz2731
    @kingfazz2731 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unreel video mate, keep it up

  • @Sicily_VFX
    @Sicily_VFX ปีที่แล้ว

    will there be a part 2

  • @ruben.ruiz33
    @ruben.ruiz33 ปีที่แล้ว

    He’s back !!!

  • @BalletsBiggestFan
    @BalletsBiggestFan ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this now you can see a lot of similarities between the hawks rise then and the young hawks now. Really are developing super fast and ahead of schedule there’s plenty of talent could be scary again in 2 years. Newcombe moore day is such a core midfield with the same values as lewis mitchell and hodge the bleed brown and gold

    • @jimmyohara2601
      @jimmyohara2601 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🐝tween them ?? how wide is the space. You got me wondering about the similarities AMONGST them now 🤔🤐

  • @jackrobertson2128
    @jackrobertson2128 ปีที่แล้ว

    That hawks team had to have had the best forward line ever, couldn’t be stopped

    • @ChannelBlaino
      @ChannelBlaino ปีที่แล้ว

      idk, the hawks side of the 80s had a fairly impressive forward line Dunstall, Brerrerton, Buckernarra

  • @coolcoconuts4453
    @coolcoconuts4453 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see a vid of the aftermath of Carlton's loss to Gold Coast in 2012, how they were certain to stay on the rise but lost that game, Ratten got sacked and marched downwards to essentially be the worst team of the 2010's

    • @stephendunlop4297
      @stephendunlop4297 ปีที่แล้ว

      Already a video about the blues on his channel mate

    • @coolcoconuts4453
      @coolcoconuts4453 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephendunlop4297 So? That's another what if that has a great exploration. Judging by your profile pic you just dont want another reminder as to how bad Carlton have been since that semi in 2013

    • @stephendunlop4297
      @stephendunlop4297 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coolcoconuts4453 I meant he briefly touches on that in his video from last year. Not sure why you’re getting defensive I’m well aware how poor they have been. I actually still enjoy his videos whether it’s about the blues or any team for that matter. I’m still going to support my blues in hope one day it’ll all be worth it.

  • @BrisbaneLionsPremiers2023
    @BrisbaneLionsPremiers2023 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lions 2001-2003 up there

  • @soupy7857
    @soupy7857 ปีที่แล้ว

    is a pt2?

  • @CappySeventyOne
    @CappySeventyOne 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, Huddo hasn’t aged a day in 23 years ! 3:07

  • @kurtissullivan7238
    @kurtissullivan7238 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome job

  • @Pope-Young11
    @Pope-Young11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always a top tier video

  • @SamLeak-bi4oz
    @SamLeak-bi4oz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We are going to start the next 3 repeat starting this year, go U mighty Hawks

  • @flagdees2618
    @flagdees2618 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love a dees doco from the pain to the glory 🤞

  • @evelynwbf
    @evelynwbf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    breaks my heart that the dockers had their only good period in their history right at the same time as the best team ever

  • @patrickgrant6389
    @patrickgrant6389 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Between this team and the lions i dont know who to pick i think the lions were bigger and stronger and tough and would win the one on one contest all the time but the hawks were more slick with the ball faster in the forward line and they were as good in the one on one contest evenly matched but the 05/06 eagles and Sydney teams could beat both these team in a grandfinal they were just as good as both teams

  • @cameronlewis1425
    @cameronlewis1425 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video mate. Its the only thing I hold on to now. Current Hawks are a mess. As well as the administration part of it.

  • @michaelmarshall1713
    @michaelmarshall1713 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should've been four in a row and that would have made them The Ultimate OF All Time . In the footsteps of Jeans came this team .

  • @jacksonsandford9697
    @jacksonsandford9697 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video man

  • @Charles-SG
    @Charles-SG ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey mate sorry if I’m any sort of disturbance or anything like that. Just wanted to let you know that your content is inspiring. I mean I’m just a kid myself and I’ve only got a hundred and a bit subs but I think that this type of content is the stuff TH-cam needs.

    • @jaggerskilbeck
      @jaggerskilbeck  ปีที่แล้ว

      The future is bright in this space mate, keep making stuff

    • @jaggerskilbeck
      @jaggerskilbeck  ปีที่แล้ว

      Bulldogs at 15th ladder prediction is wild though

    • @Charles-SG
      @Charles-SG ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jaggerskilbeck lol really sorry about that probably not the best pressie video I’ve made

  • @georgekarapetis2519
    @georgekarapetis2519 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never quite understood the first team to go back to back to back
    Forgetting lions 01-03?

  • @MichaelIrons-cf1lq
    @MichaelIrons-cf1lq 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video.

  • @mrcatfish1351
    @mrcatfish1351 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next video idea, how geelong was able to sustain success and win a premiership with such an old list

  • @TheClownCostume
    @TheClownCostume ปีที่แล้ว

    You barely even touched on their run of finals wins and premierships between 2011-2015? Will you expand on this in another video or?

  • @elliotfoster1253
    @elliotfoster1253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clarko walking away now mid season from north is weird

  • @quaweds
    @quaweds 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19 of the 22 players on field sat in the middle of the field?

  • @bowenfulwood-griffiths2482
    @bowenfulwood-griffiths2482 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rises of Gold Coast suns begins now

  • @terrychandler5396
    @terrychandler5396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Without forgetting Brisbane's three peat, they were after all a team of champions, and a champion team. They were the greatest in the 16 team competition. The won 3 in their time, Hawthorn had to compete in an 18 team competition, making the variables that bit harder. Hawthorn won 4 in their time. So with that in mind, I think Hawthorn having the harder task would actually be given the honorific of being the Greatest Team this Century so far. And I'm certainly looking forward to seeing how they go in 2025.

  • @SUPERRRSAIYANNNNN
    @SUPERRRSAIYANNNNN ปีที่แล้ว +5

    GOAThorn GOATs
    They could’ve done a bloody fivepeat

    • @aussie9489
      @aussie9489 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then why didn't they?

  • @Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterw-t2u
    @Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterw-t2u ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro how the hell haven't you made an essay about paul roos and simon goodwin rebuilding the Melbourne demons to a flag. That is absaloutly criminal

  • @johntoth1264
    @johntoth1264 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a big Hawks supporter but I have to say, Essendon 2000 team is greatest team ever. They lost one game from a miracle left foot goal from Grant in the last few mins. Almost the perfect season and maybe 1988 Hawks Team (19-3) and won GF by 96 points challenges the 2013 Team (19-3) for best Hawks Team. Hard to spilt them.

  • @christianwhite2192
    @christianwhite2192 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Kennets curse.

  • @shaneberryman
    @shaneberryman ปีที่แล้ว

    keep flyin the flag for the mighties. seeing other afl promos going round and greatest moments , you'd think pies, eagles ,swans were the dominators of the last 4 decades, not much shown of anybody else..

  • @Roper122
    @Roper122 ปีที่แล้ว

    GWS and Gold Coast helped position Hawthorn.

  • @User-7.7771
    @User-7.7771 ปีที่แล้ว

    50s Melbourne is definitely up there with the best team ever they were so close to a sixpeat

  • @wheelson7895
    @wheelson7895 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That hawthorn side was great but no where near the realm of that early 2000’s Brisbane team…I can’t see a team like that ever being emulated again

    • @iceyd2226
      @iceyd2226 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hawks were closer to a 4 peat then lions were tho

    • @wheelson7895
      @wheelson7895 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iceyd2226 how so?

    • @Sunb3ar-on_RBLX
      @Sunb3ar-on_RBLX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iceyd2226buddy lions lost the 05 granny to port but if they won they would have a 4 peat

    • @iceyd2226
      @iceyd2226 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wheelson7895 hawks lost by 10 in 2012 and lions lost by 40 in 04

    • @iceyd2226
      @iceyd2226 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sunb3ar-on_RBLX buddy it was 04 and they lost by 40 to port hawks lost in 2012 by 10 so hawks were closer to a 4 peat

  • @owickgolds5542
    @owickgolds5542 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would of loved to see prime Richmond Vs prime hawks

  • @omerovski7340
    @omerovski7340 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The greatest team ever was the 07 Cats, then 01 Bombers and lastly 2013-2014 hawks

  • @madisonwheeler8679
    @madisonwheeler8679 ปีที่แล้ว

    before watching this as a sydney fan, i know i’m gonna be sick

  • @cooperyates3426
    @cooperyates3426 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah memories

  • @nicholascollins3012
    @nicholascollins3012 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Brisbane team is the best team of this time if we are going all time I am a Melbourne fan so I would have to go the Melbourne team from the 1954 to 60 that won 5 premiership and lost 2 and won again in 64

  • @Mrhand2013
    @Mrhand2013 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was named after Roughead!!!!!!

  • @alexmartin628
    @alexmartin628 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone watches Summoning Salt.

  • @jotarokujoscock9556
    @jotarokujoscock9556 ปีที่แล้ว

    all the rush behinds seems like a really scummy way to win a premiership