Why Suzuki Are Ditching Their Most Popular Engine! (SV650 & V-Strom 650)

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  • @motobob
    @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +6

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    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dude, V engines in bikes are bad engineering, everybody knows that. That is the reason. Parallel is the best

  • @alxx1378
    @alxx1378 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I bought my vstrom 1000 2003 because I fell in love with the engine, 14 years later and still loving it.

    • @robhughes1639
      @robhughes1639 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Alxx, my 02 vstrom 1000 is quicker accelerating through the gears than a brand new 15 reg I had a few years ago. That must be down to making the bike more emission compliant.

    • @zedddddful
      @zedddddful ปีที่แล้ว

      @@robhughes1639 different gearing 👍

    • @alxx1378
      @alxx1378 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know if it's faster but I know that a lot of the new bikes eat my dust. Resently BMW 9 t I think the owner was looking at my old vstrom and he was amazed.

  • @ralphvalkenhoff2887
    @ralphvalkenhoff2887 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I had one and have to say the V twin was my favorite bike. A real motorcycle feel with great tech and amazing performance.

  • @saulocpp
    @saulocpp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Suzuki is not ditching anything, it only added some bikes that were missing in their portfolio using the MotoGP championship money. Both new DL650 and SV650 are already up in the 2024 catalog, thus being Euro5, they always said these bikes would be kept along the 8S and DL800.

  • @simonlangmead7
    @simonlangmead7 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    It has nothing to do with emissions. It’s cheaper to make a parallel twin then a V-Twin. One cylinder head instead or two, one cylinder block instead of two, one timing chain instead of two. There’s a reason the other 3 Japanese middle weight twins use this design. Another advantage, the parallel twin is easier to service, as getting to all the valves is easier. You can use one throttle body for both cylinders much easier then you can with a V-Twin.

    • @garymitchell6897
      @garymitchell6897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How do you get two crankcases with a gee twin?

    • @stormtrooper9404
      @stormtrooper9404 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Preach brother!!!
      It all came down to the money, and profits!
      Sadly…

    • @clubstyleridahd4695
      @clubstyleridahd4695 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@garymitchell6897 Who said anything about 2 crank cases?

    • @garymitchell6897
      @garymitchell6897 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clubstyleridahd4695 it clearly says one cylinder block instead of two

    • @MrAmorti
      @MrAmorti ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's also emissions for all the reasons you said. One camchain and two cams add half as much friction as you get on a v-twin. Simpler exhaust routing can get gasses into the catalyst faster to heat it up quicker. New engine with more modern combustion chambers and head can burn cleaner, etc., etc.

  • @ozzyg82
    @ozzyg82 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Oh my god - I had an SV650, exactly the same as that white 'S' version you've got there, with the "bikini faring", (except mine was a deep blue). I loved my bike - it was one of the best I've ever had. 100% bullet proof, honest fun work-horse. It took me everywhere, from the daily commute to touring the whole of the UK. It was so extremely thin, you could squeeze through the tightest gaps when filtering. :) It was my first big bike, sounded great with a scorpion pipe on, and took good care of me. Nothing but fond memories. RIP.

    • @warrenkral6562
      @warrenkral6562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a red one. About 80k on that bike. 12 sets of tires, 5 chains, and oil changes. A great bike.

    • @CraigShawCraigShaw
      @CraigShawCraigShaw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same here. But mine was yellow!

    • @infotechsailor
      @infotechsailor ปีที่แล้ว

      What happened to it

    • @gagestewart591
      @gagestewart591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I bought the exact same motorcycle last week! Deep blue with the bikini fairing! So excited to finally get on the road this weekend after some necessarily old, used bike maintenance!

    • @ozzyg82
      @ozzyg82 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gagestewart591 hope it’s good fun 👍🏻 ride safe

  • @utharaptortrex
    @utharaptortrex ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Well, just recently the new head of Suzuki Germany, Kazuyuki Yamashita, said in an interview to MOTORRAD Magazine that the 650 vtwin is going to around for a long time. The magazine then goes on to speculate the new, recently spied bikes, might be new Bandit/GSX-S/GSR and DR models, to be positioned between the 650cc and 1000cc+ models.

    • @Cheezmonka
      @Cheezmonka ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I was gonna say these new bikes seem more likely to be GSXS750 replacements than anything.

    • @davidnobular9220
      @davidnobular9220 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kazuyuki Yamashita ? Sounds like the name the company name if Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha merged......

    • @robertherrick6703
      @robertherrick6703 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cheezmonka But one of those bikes shown in the photos looks very much like a V-Strom

  • @jeffratner6777
    @jeffratner6777 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had an SV 650S and a DL 650 and now ride an FZ-07. The V-twins were smoother and could pull better from low rpms than this parallel twin and the chassis was more stable, also. I am riding the FZ-07 because now at 73 y.o. I wanted a lighter bike and so went from 485 # on the DL to about 440 # on the SV and now to about 400# on the FZ.

  • @felixwagner3723
    @felixwagner3723 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watching from Germany and really like your videos. Very informative and well presented. Great job 👍🏻

  • @davapod
    @davapod ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The problem for me is that I find 4 stroke parallel twins utterly boring. Give me a V Twin, inline 4,V4 or triple any day of the week.

  • @eloiseharbeson2483
    @eloiseharbeson2483 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    V-twins are inherently more expensive than parallel twins. Two head castings, two cylinder castings vs one of each. Modern offset crank parallel twins have the same power in a smaller, cheaper package. Loved my naked 650. Sorry to see them go away.

    • @666dualsport
      @666dualsport ปีที่แล้ว

      They made in a factory, with robots, its no harder, no cheaper,

    • @eloiseharbeson2483
      @eloiseharbeson2483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@666dualsport Did your mother have any children that lived? Someone has to program the robots and set up the production line. Why do you think V-twins are dying? Ducati and H-D are the only factories that stick with that design, because both of their customer bases want them, despite the poor bang-for-buck.

    • @jdillon8360
      @jdillon8360 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@666dualsport robots or not, more parts means more material and more steps. that means more expensive and slower to make.

  • @stuartmoles843
    @stuartmoles843 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Yep, currently on a SV650 as my commuter, they are bomb proof. I’m on my 3rd, a couple of Gen 2’s and now a new one. It will be a sad day when they get rid of the V twin.

    • @lilnips
      @lilnips ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How does it handle

    • @stuartmoles843
      @stuartmoles843 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Very well for what is effectively a budget bike, yes they’ve saved a bit of cash on the suspension but you can improve any bike if you want to throw money at them and it really isn’t needed in the case of the SV. I really don’t think there is a bigger bargain out there.

    • @nishantnanda8404
      @nishantnanda8404 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is the gearing different if the SV compared to the v strom 650 ​@@stuartmoles843?

  • @numlock9653
    @numlock9653 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is why I rushed out and picked up a brand new SV650 last year. I figured it was just a matter of time before they "fix" what isn't broken and ruin a great thing. Super fun bike with a price tag that feels like you stole it.

    • @davea9946
      @davea9946 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Just ordered a new VStrom 650 2 days ago.

  • @LyonPercival
    @LyonPercival ปีที่แล้ว +72

    if V-Strom 650 doesnt have V-twin... it will stop making sense 😣😣😣

    • @aktoriukas
      @aktoriukas ปีที่แล้ว

      It's in the name... Not sure their can ditch that. Or maybe rename it ?

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +41

      P-Strom? :\

    • @nickb3968
      @nickb3968 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motobob lol....that name could be a marketing problem

    • @IskDude980222
      @IskDude980222 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@motobob Strom-P is cuter

    • @Cruiser203
      @Cruiser203 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So does sV650

  • @FeiraxIS350
    @FeiraxIS350 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If Suzuki wanted to sell more of these super smooth naturally balanced and beautifully sounding bikes, they should have made an SV650-R version with fully adjustable suspension. Giving it GSXR like suspension, brakes, electronics, and TFT would make it the ultimate SV650. The V-Twin is also incredibly narrow, which makes it easy for shorter riders to get their feet down and allows more movement on the bike. Not sure if it's the extra structure of the V-Twin engine, but the SV feels much more stable at the limit compared to the MT-07 as well.

  • @bobbingtonnoir5946
    @bobbingtonnoir5946 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Absolutely love the stunning looks of the Gen2 SV650. Beautiful bike.

    • @RAWBANDerson
      @RAWBANDerson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too! That’s what I ride and I just can’t seem to get rid of it! I still love it when I look out the window and see it.

    • @bobbingtonnoir5946
      @bobbingtonnoir5946 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RAWBANDerson I know Suzuki had ABS as an option for the bandit 650 and v-strom 650 at around that time. I wish the SV-650S had an ABS version. I would definitely pick one up as a summer toy. I know I know, ABS is not essential. But I feel more comfortable knowing I have that safety net there if/when I need it.

    • @RAWBANDerson
      @RAWBANDerson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobbingtonnoir5946 I've never ridden one with ABS, but I am sure it would come in handy! Might have saved me from T-boning a van that did an illegal u-turn a few years ago. Ride safe my good Man!

  • @flip_moto
    @flip_moto ปีที่แล้ว

    dude the production and stats of this vid prove you need a mil subs - kudos to being so thourough

  • @6thwatergateplumber
    @6thwatergateplumber ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You know, it seems no matter how hard we try we just can't stop meddling with things. That old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" just doesn't hold any sway over people who insist on making perfectly good things either worse or forgotten, and replaced with something the tinkerers think is a marvel of creation.

  • @JohnSmith-ef8nr
    @JohnSmith-ef8nr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the problems with the V twin is cat placement, when the T7 was updated for Euro 5 the cat had to be moved closer to the engine exhaust ports to get hot faster.
    Cats don't work as well on v twins.

  • @grahamn311
    @grahamn311 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bought a 22' SV650 this year and couldn't be happier. I get the argument about the P-win vs. the V, but, am glad to have gotten in on the fun while I still could.

    • @bhok1971
      @bhok1971 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great. Now go and get a British made Fuel Diablo exhaust for it. Great value and sound. 👍🏻

    • @phobosbot81
      @phobosbot81 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or an also British made Scorpion

  • @Vegesaurus7
    @Vegesaurus7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work Rob. Totally understand. I’m sure you’ll. Have a lot of fun on this.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers mate! Looking forward to a track day on it next week already :)

  • @cp4512
    @cp4512 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really like the Gen 2 SV650 - your new bike looks great 👍

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve only ridden it a couple of times but I absolutely love it. A very simple bike with no TC or ABS or modes etc etc but just a brilliant engine that makes it really engaging to ride. Massively rate it already 👍

  • @ldorman
    @ldorman ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I own an SV1000 K3 and absolutely love that bike.
    The way it feels and looks is just great.
    I have the feeling it will become a rare classic.

  • @glynhannaford7332
    @glynhannaford7332 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explaining, thank you. 😊

  • @BrandonK80
    @BrandonK80 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another great vid! I had an 03' SV 650 standard. Bought it used back on 2015 for $1400. It needed some TLC but had the full Yoshi exhaust which sounded amazing and cost nearly as much as I paid for the entire bike. Had the bike for 4 years and sold it but I wish I never did. If you can find some larger headers I highly recommend it as it makes it sound even more bad ass.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good tip mate - thanks I'll look into it :)

  • @downdroneservices8910
    @downdroneservices8910 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im learning on one currently so looking at buying one to gain experience. or what would you suggest for first bike after passing A licence (not after speed)

  • @flatcapcaferacer
    @flatcapcaferacer ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Only Stevie Wonder would think the Gladius should have been built in the first place. The longevity of Suzuki models has really helped Suzuk'si pricing and reliability.

    • @alphacapo
      @alphacapo ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The cool thing about the gladius....u can get them dirt cheap. Just because they are ugly. I'd take a low mile Gladius for 2500 bucks all day and ride the shit out of it

    • @peter7624
      @peter7624 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe I'm weird but I always prefered the styling of the Gladius to the SV.

  • @kimw200blaze4
    @kimw200blaze4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's sad it is going. However a new 750cc naked bike, from Suzuki with a parallel twin interests me. It's main competitor is going to be the new Honda Hornet with the parallel twin. The MT 07 has had a fantastic parallel twin engine, that sounds as good as a V twin. So I'm optimistic.

  • @yanzm6713
    @yanzm6713 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Still planning to buy the new Vstrom 650xt. I think they will only phase it out in Europe because of the emission standards. But here in asia, it's still selling like hot cakes for both models.

  • @Birky_41
    @Birky_41 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first 'big' bike when I passed my test in 1999. Was a new carb version & was a great engine at the time

    • @speedfinder1
      @speedfinder1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus one for me too! The bike is still in the family and still giving good daily service all these years later.

  • @nightfury6836
    @nightfury6836 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant content mate 🤟

  • @josevi5835
    @josevi5835 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If Suzuki gets rid of the fantastic and different L twin... it is going to be a bad move. Differentiation is a key factor, and that feature made me choose the SV rather than the MT07. I would maintain that power plant forever with the needed tweaks. It could be fantastic for a scramber bike, or even a custom style bike. They both could have a more premium price... and that gem engine.

    • @future62
      @future62 ปีที่แล้ว

      270 degree twins give you 99% of that character for a fraction of the cost and hassle. This is going to make the bike better.

    • @josevi5835
      @josevi5835 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@future62 I own the SV and tried the MT07 engine... they are absolutely different. The SV's is much more torquey and you feel the beats of the engine constantly while the MT07's engine is linear. The 270 configuration does not replace the feeling of an L engine. However, the Yamaha 700 cc parallel twin is awesome.

    • @tempofugo168
      @tempofugo168 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josevi5835 Hey, what do you mean by "linear" ? Isn't the vtwin linear too ?

    • @josevi5835
      @josevi5835 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tempofugo168 with the L twin you feel the beats of the bike perfectly and, at the same time, it delivers the power through a wide range. The Yamaha CP700 is more like and electric engine. Better if you try them both.

  • @manuelsanchez7442
    @manuelsanchez7442 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could that naked bike prototype shot be for the new gsx s750 well due an update? The frontal looks like the gsx s1000...

  • @MrNobodyMoto
    @MrNobodyMoto ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 2008 vstrom650 fun bike and good engine. Is my vstrom engine much different then sv650?👍

  • @pjm204
    @pjm204 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've had a bunch of vstroms over the years (6 or so) and own one now that I've racked up 120,000 miles on. I love the bike but parallel twins just make more sense. I had a ninja 650 I converted into a dirt bike and that engine is so sweet. I hope Suzuki employs the same cassette gear box.

    • @GuitarTherapy144
      @GuitarTherapy144 ปีที่แล้ว

      Om about to by a v strom. Tried a versys 650. What about engine resonance and vibrations at highway RPMs? Id love your feedback. I felt v stroms were really good compared to nc750 and versys 650 paralels..

    • @pjm204
      @pjm204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @GuitarTherapy144 I do not consider the vstrom to have much vibration at highway speeds. I think you'll be happy with it.

    • @GuitarTherapy144
      @GuitarTherapy144 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it better compared to versys/ninja650? Same engine in both of kawas no?

    • @pjm204
      @pjm204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @GuitarTherapy144 I never found the Ninja 650 to be particularly vibey either but yes I'd say it probably has less.

  • @martinwheat2018
    @martinwheat2018 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I sold my vstrom 650 for a dr650 and regret it every day because I've gotten to the point of riding where I took my vstrom through the same thing I do on my dr sure it was more rough offroad and did hut the skidplate quite often but on the street it's soooo much better I miss my vstrom soo much and planned on buying another one but I will be getting used one because that v twin is what made the bike

  • @trailingarm63
    @trailingarm63 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had its big brother, the SV1000 naked, probably my favourite bike out of the dozen or so I've had. Fabulous engine: beautiful noise when it came on cam. I always recommend the SV650 to new riders who ask me what they should buy as their first bike. I'm sorry this engine is giving way to the parallel twin but I can see the cost benefits for the mid-market. Being an old dinosaur, I ride a flat-twin roadster now, you can guess the make. It's well-engineered and the layout has a low centre of gravity, but for excitement I prefer the SV1000.

  • @timsapper8030
    @timsapper8030 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Yep the 650 V Twin is an excellent versatile engine, But I totally agree with all you said about Suzuki dropping it, It just makes sense.
    I used to own a TDM 900 one of the first to incorporate a 270 Degree Crank.
    Way above its time
    that bike and I loved it and have been riding Twins ever since.
    It’s great to see a TH-camr keeping it real and buying 2nd hand bikes, because let’s be honest, That’s all most of us can afford,
    Please keep up the reviews of the 2nd hand Market
    Much Respect
    Tim Sapper 👍👍👍

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Tim - I think that’s how I will break the 2 channels out going forward. New bikes here, used bikes on the other

    • @PaydayGabeBCNV
      @PaydayGabeBCNV ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@motobob ,, that's a practical approach Bob.
      I never purchase New.
      Let someone else take the financial hit w/ the bike in question.
      Great content as always 🍻🙌. G.

    • @PaydayGabeBCNV
      @PaydayGabeBCNV ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The TDM models are by far more popular in the UK/EU than ever in the States. 92/93 model years only here. They were revolutionary,, but over priced and didn't sell well 😔. I have a 92 TDM 850 3VD MK1.
      Its a wonderful machine (360°crank), w/ 53.6k miles on the clock.
      She's currently getting a top end refresh due to a eroded intake valve 🤷‍♂️.
      Yamaha did it 💯 Right with these bikes👍👍.
      Ride safe everyone. 🙏

    • @fixento
      @fixento ปีที่แล้ว

      Honda parallel twins have have 270 degree cranks. You may be aware the fact is a V engine has nothing to do with the crank angles. Harley Davidson, first pistons fires at 315 degrees, there is a 405 degree gap, second piston fires at 315 degrees, there is a 405 degree gap. The reason you know it a Harley by the distinct sound.

  • @lmmribeiro
    @lmmribeiro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Great work.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks mate - appreciate the support!

  • @danielkeel9265
    @danielkeel9265 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes bought a gladius for my missus, looks like a poorly assembled plastic model kit. But it rides sweet! Nicasil in the bore lining, gsxr injectors to fix the fuelling grabbiness issue, thing pulls better than my old Zephyr ZR750. More adjustable suspension and decent brakes. With 22K kilometers at just under 40% of current model cost, great value! Change the headlight, remove or modify the plastics, tail tidy & can would improve the hell out of the appearance. Will I get around to it? Who knows, it's fun to ride!

  • @timothygustin811
    @timothygustin811 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ay! Glad to see some love for the NC750

  • @59markr
    @59markr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My 2005 Gen2 SV650 is THE perfect motorcycle, and that exhaust note is like music to my ears!

  • @marksfarmcraft1888
    @marksfarmcraft1888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had an SV1000s for years and loved it. Too bad the 1000cc version didn't last. Now I have a DR-Z400SM, which is likely in the same boat as the SV...where it is past dure to be replaced.

  • @spudgun7474
    @spudgun7474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to own an SV1000s. Probably the only bike I wish I never sold. Awesome sound from its twin pipes too.

    • @ldorman
      @ldorman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I own the SV1000 K3 and pretty much everyone I spoke to who once owned one keeps saying the same thing: "...I wish I've never sold it..."
      Aslong it runs, I'll keep it - to be honest, right now I don't even know why I would want to get rid of it.
      It has torque, great on the twisties and also great in the city.
      The only thing I don't like on it, is the relative short range of only around 150mls

  • @damon1957ful
    @damon1957ful 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sv 1000 was one of my best bikes, now i have a gsx 8s and boy i love it as it takes me back to my sv 1000 ducati 748 ang my mt o07, and last but not least sp1 all rwins and a tracer 07 and my tracer 900 , all had feeling and sound to die for and my 8s now is fantastic

  • @solentmotorbiketours9545
    @solentmotorbiketours9545 ปีที่แล้ว

    I raced a 650 in the mini twins and it was a fantastic motor loved this bike :)

  • @heh2k
    @heh2k ปีที่แล้ว

    How's vibration between a 90-degree twin vs parallel?

  • @John_Ridley
    @John_Ridley ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a '19 VStrom 650 and I like the engine, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they come out with next. I'm looking for a midsize street bike in the next year or so. I hope they go ahead and jump straight to having a decent electronics package including cruise control. I insist on that for my next bike as I plan to tour on it. If none of the big 4 have a bike with cruise on it < $10K I will probably wind up with a CXMoto, which delivers cruise on a mid-sized bike for < $7000.

  • @stevesanelli90
    @stevesanelli90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome! Love those VTwins

  • @beingsolo80
    @beingsolo80 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They just should have made a proper SV1000 instead of mashing up another mediocre mid-weight.

  • @RD2564
    @RD2564 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well produced by an intelligent and knowledgeable host, sad to lose the Suzuki V-twin from the market.

  • @OtterMachine
    @OtterMachine ปีที่แล้ว +3

    270-degree P-twins have taken over especially in the performance area lately. Look at the Aprilia Tuono/RSV660, the KTM Duke 790 and Duke 890. The KTM Duke 890R in particular is a seriously high performing P-twin. They are the best of both worlds in terms of cost and performance. Honestly looking at the dynos and doing "blind" hearing tests you would be HARD PRESSED to figure out the real world differences between a V-twin and 270-degree P-twin. I think its about time Suzuki do something fresh, I'm also excited to see how the Honda Hornet turns out. All these new middleweight twins are gonna make my MT07 feel very outdated :P

    • @ldorman
      @ldorman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also believe that p-twins are a bit more fuel efficient.
      The v-twins have more torque but are quite heavy on fuel.

    • @alexandrshevtsov8
      @alexandrshevtsov8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Power does not depend on what type of engine is used - inline or V. Power and economy depends on settings.

  • @aao331
    @aao331 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The only reason I got the SV was because of the V engine. Now it's basically the same as any other twin.

  • @davidjones3955
    @davidjones3955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got a tl1000r, fantastic ride.

  • @progste
    @progste ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone seems to be abandoning traditional V-Twins in favore of 270° parallels, I guess those just have too many advantages?

  • @gsab174
    @gsab174 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had for a second bike ( after owning a ninja j2 ) the 2007 fully faired sv 650s. Done almost 70k for 3 years. Daily commuter, couple of track days , long distance, done across Europe twice... for my height, very uncomfortable, bad brakes, patchy throttle response, not best looking bike... however there was something in it... this V-twin, the whole package, such an unpretentious machine. Quite economical, reliable, cheep to run.
    I have embarrassed many 100ps bikes ( or riders) with it.
    Now riding gsxs1000f with a fantastically smooth inline 4, probably never going back to such a tractor, however as mention earlier, there was something in this motorcycle.
    Very good video!

  • @Canteaus
    @Canteaus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Suzuki missed a huge opportunity to jump on the retro market with a proper cafe racer version of the 650. Yes, I know they had a "cafe racer" but it was basically a naked bike with headlight fairings...

  • @panamatic9537
    @panamatic9537 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i droved the z650 two years, was a great bike fun light power was the key words. So, i looked at the picture from the prototype and i saw that the front mnaks is from the 1000/950 gsxs. The Suspension looks the same as from 950 gsxs. I think the front fork and brake caliper are maybe the same. Rims and wheel as the same and the oil cooler behind the oil filter are 1 to1 replace from the gsx 1000

    • @W3TFART
      @W3TFART ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You rode not droved . How did you even get that word past spellcheck ?

  • @wimpauwels7839
    @wimpauwels7839 ปีที่แล้ว

    270°cranckshaft: first time done by Yamaha on the TDM and TRX 850. I miss my 1998 yellow-silver TDM, tweaked-dynorun to +- 100HP iso 77. Never have should have sold it. But my 2015 MTS1200S is awsome!

  • @motor_rad
    @motor_rad ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After this news, i decided to keep my 2018 Vstrom 650 until it dies which i know will never happen. I’d replace mine with a new Vstrom only if they keep the v twin with some more power, add cruise control, heated grips. It’d be epic if they make this combo and offer Vstrom 750 or 850. Suzuki should take lesson from Yamaha and listen to their customers more

  • @bitey6709
    @bitey6709 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is a shame and if manufacturers are going down the parallel twin road I can only hope they put some effort into the visuals. The Kawasaki 650 , for instance, looks like it could have come from an ATV or snow mobile. Looks count on motorcycle. That would explain why those that pay homage to the full retro look, are cleaning up.

  • @ecalzo
    @ecalzo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i've got the sv650 and then more bikes in between before getting an Mt07 after that i choose the V-Strom 650xt .. great handling and running bike ... it's sad they decided to ditch this engine..

  • @stefanhansen5882
    @stefanhansen5882 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So what happened to this? Did it turn out to be just a rumor? The 2024 SV650 seems to have a V-Twin. Can you clarify? Thanks!

  • @Michael_Lak
    @Michael_Lak ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m getting a low km 2012 model. Happy days.

  • @johnDukemaster
    @johnDukemaster ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I must admit, I look forward to the new Hornet!
    Thank you mr Bob!

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's going to be a good one I reckon!

  • @user-hf8ie8mf3n
    @user-hf8ie8mf3n ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The ergos never fit, but I LOVE this bike. A red framed, red wheels version a few years back was sweet looking. It’s like the ultimate play bike for seasoned riders, or a great entry bike for newbies. 👍👍🇨🇦🤪

  • @jimbojones2457
    @jimbojones2457 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just bought a brand new 2024 Suzuki V-Strom 650XT. Still the V Twin 650 engine. Can't wait to get it.

  • @anbu999
    @anbu999 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the point comparing Triumph with modified exhaust against other bike with stock exhaust ?

  • @JDeezle21
    @JDeezle21 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think the parallel twin that is coming out is going to be a 850-900cc and I think they are keeping the 650cc v twin because Suzuki likes saving money.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well they just announced new 2023 colours for the SVs, so it looks like they’ll sell it for the next YM. But after that it’ll be gone for sure

    • @MachoMadness69420
      @MachoMadness69420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed.
      The USD fork, radial brake calipers and beefy header pipes give it away.
      Not to forget the fact that the GSX-S750 is rumored to soon be discountinued - and is hopelessly outgunned and outdated.

  • @asyrafmus
    @asyrafmus ปีที่แล้ว

    I currently own a KTM 990 SMT and a gen3 SV650. Previously I also had a Yamaha BT1100 bulldog. Guess what are the similarities with all these bikes? A V-twin.

  • @SteveMuir
    @SteveMuir ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Same with the beautiful Spada / VTR 250 motor. I had the 1999 gen one SV560s and my step up from my VTR250. Sweet motor and agree with everything you said about . 66 hp at the rear wheel on the dyno. fantastic brakes and after a bit of suspension work it was a lovely bike.

    • @junglie
      @junglie ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah the standard forks are the worst i've had on a bike such a shame as heavier springs & damping oil made them acceptable.

    • @marcox4358
      @marcox4358 ปีที่แล้ว

      Currently restoring an 85' VT250F Integra, just having headaches with the electronics hahaha

  • @gordonwallin2368
    @gordonwallin2368 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

  • @BlazinBlades
    @BlazinBlades 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2024 model year introduced!
    So still around and we are happy for that!

  • @thefilmguy
    @thefilmguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope Suzuki pulls a Yamaha and gives their new P-Twin a 270 degree crank. It won't sound as agricultural as the 180 degree P-Twin in the Kawasaki Z650. They would also do well to keep the low RPM throttle assist. A nice feature for a somewhat entry level bike.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost certainly! In fact I wish Kawasaki would do it too - how much work can it really be?

  • @jl8754
    @jl8754 ปีที่แล้ว

    Suzuki nailed the retro katana throw back look. I hope Honda does a good job.

  • @jhezbeat
    @jhezbeat ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see Suzuki go to a larger mid size (750cc - 900cc) triple.

  • @RicardoDizonLefthanded
    @RicardoDizonLefthanded ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the only thing I like to this SV650 is the v-twin. there is a lot of parallel twin out there with advance feature that I will ditch for sv650 engine only.

    • @lilnips
      @lilnips ปีที่แล้ว

      Are v twins problematic?

  • @mociczyczki
    @mociczyczki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    for me no diffrenc v or i as long as power torque displacement stay similar 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jerlaine1638
    @jerlaine1638 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2002 that I absolutely love, I can't recommend them enough

  • @rubo1964
    @rubo1964 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wished Suzuki kept 45% degree and increased HP to 85-90HP.Kind of let down to be honest.I bought 1st gen SV650 new.Loved it.

  • @robertblahnik7685
    @robertblahnik7685 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!

  • @nick4506
    @nick4506 ปีที่แล้ว

    the first gen frame was designed by bimota. and suzuki outsourced the engine manufacturing to china. the gladiolus also came with a big heap of engine updates so its probably the best one if you can hold back the barf when you look at it.

  • @marcosd999
    @marcosd999 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had a mk1 and have a mk3, awesome little bike.

  • @1000gib
    @1000gib ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It seems we will have only 270 degree parallel twins from now on, all bikes sounding very similar. I am starting to be glad that I have 180 degree parallel twin :-).

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว

      I wholeheartedly agree that it’s making things a little boring! It’d be nice to have something unusual to talk about… 🥱

  • @alanpassmore2275
    @alanpassmore2275 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope they go with Katana style body work with built in indicators may be like the pop-up headlight Katana.😁🥰🥰🥰

  • @heh2k
    @heh2k ปีที่แล้ว

    Are L-twins really much longer? SV650 is only 0.4 inches longer.

  • @vironpayne4900
    @vironpayne4900 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I loved my DL650, but I dumped it for my second time around with a KLR650. THE ONLY BIKE I GONE FOR SECONDS.
    My complaint of the DL650 was even though the maintenance schedule was much lower than some areas like valves than the KL650 the headache of opening and closing the DL650 was significantly more and the electrical system was more prone to failure. That is definitely not something desireable on the road or in back country.
    Thankfully, the day I went into buy a Royal Enfield Himalayan the dealer had just taken in a 2018 KLR650 with about $3000 of upgrade parts, detailed maintenance journal, original parts, and 1.5 years left on a factory extended warranty. The bike in 8/2/22 only had 3403 miles and it was pristine.
    I had told myself no more KLR650 as at 5'8" my 08 was too tall. I dropped three times in two weeks when I first bought it. But, the 2018 was short enough for me to get onto the balls of my feet and it is the last year for carborated engines. It was exactly what I wanted in a KLR.
    The previous owner had been buying KLRs since 1987 and his hip had finally told him no more tall heavy bikes.
    My blessing it is.

  • @jimmyjam8795
    @jimmyjam8795 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Suzuki let slip that this was going to happen in late 2020, I've been waiting to see what they turn out. Still am. The Vtwin was a joint venture with a Chinese company (Think CF Moto) so they are prob Sharing Dev. costs with a Chinese manufacturer this time too🤔. Let's see.

  • @keinname629
    @keinname629 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gladius - it's a real beauty!

  • @bfarm44
    @bfarm44 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great track bikes thank god the used market is flooded with them

  • @TheBoma1000
    @TheBoma1000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s so annoying that ever middle weight bike is going to parallel twins.

  • @SouLerKunG
    @SouLerKunG ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If new Parallel twin SV-650 or Para-650(As a joke) sounds like MT-07, I will buy it for sure. Because I am going to buy a new Bike next year and i'm going to buy a SV650 bacause of it sound, performance/Price, Reliable and maintenance cost.

    • @motobob
      @motobob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I didn’t focus much on the spy shots here but it does look pretty damn good 👍

    • @SouLerKunG
      @SouLerKunG ปีที่แล้ว

      @@motobob In my opinion the headlight looks like a concept turbo-charged bike that Suzuki did release in 2015, a damn good looking one.

  • @kyotosal
    @kyotosal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a sad situation to lose that 90 degree V-twin.......Sal : )

  • @alphajed7700
    @alphajed7700 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's why they released a new colour scheme version for 2023 so they could maximise the sale before they releases the new parallel twin version.

  • @georgeblumenthal7938
    @georgeblumenthal7938 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can buy one for a song on the used maket.

  • @yumyumbaboon
    @yumyumbaboon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That new 750 Hornet looks dangerously close to a 790 Duke which has 15hp/12nm more - so where’s the sting?!

  • @deltabluesdavidraye
    @deltabluesdavidraye ปีที่แล้ว

    Equal cooling and breathing ,equal exhaust length and bend therefore flow.270 crank gives 90 % V twin firing order and sound. Parallel twin sets lower in the frame giving superior balance .Simple a 270 degree parallel is superior for most uses .

  • @glennhenderson9243
    @glennhenderson9243 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Suzuki have missed the boat with the SV and sat on its laurels for years. By this stage they really should have been pushing 80 -85HP had a scrambler, naked, retro, adventurer and sports versions all utilizing an update SV656 or SV660 platform. Oh what could have been.

  • @hex_surfer4588
    @hex_surfer4588 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a VStrom 650 and love it. Bit messy for valve clearance adjustment, tho - this damn rear cylinder chain tensioner is a PITA to reach. Anyway - this engine is luvly!

    • @murraycharters6102
      @murraycharters6102 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @hex_surfer4588. I have just adjusted my valve clearances for the first time on my VStrom 650 XT at 53,000 km. I purchased it new, a 2017 model in April 2018.
      Only one intake valve was in the center of the specification, the other 7 valves were all at the lowest end of the specification. The workshop manager at Suzuki told me that he would have said they are all still in specification.
      I swapped shims at the dealer for the appropriate thinner shims. They are now all in the middle of the specification.
      Would I do it again, probably not, because the most difficult part is replacing the cam chain tensioners, particularly the rear one. The front cylinder one poses a problem as well. What I did was got a stiff thin wire, poked it into the cam chain tensioner hole and slid the spring down the wire into the hole. Then I put some blue tack between the bolt head and the aluminum washer and installed it.
      I had to give up and remove the rear wheel to install the rear cam chain tensioner. A real PITA.
      There is a great tutorial to do this job on line. If you want it reply to this and I will supply details

    • @hex_surfer4588
      @hex_surfer4588 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@murraycharters6102 Congrats, if you managed to do it on VStrom 650 you can do it on any engine!

  • @MauriceTarantulas
    @MauriceTarantulas ปีที่แล้ว

    Done my DAS on a SV 650. Def like the punchy engine! Fun to ride.