When people say "Goddamn it, Barb!" It isn't because she keeps making bad jokes, its because she makes her character sound complex and it makes it harder for the writers to shove in character development.
No it's because of the bad jokes don't be fucking stupid. I know you want to shit on RWBY/Rooster teeth/Barbra but don't just lie about it. If you have a problem say it, if you want to make a joke don't frame it as real.
@@nahte123456 I still like RWBY but I can understand some criticism on topics about it. I also understand that jokes will offend someone and I will laugh at a good joke even if it was offensive to my race or alliance. You are just painting people who defend the show as easily triggered fanboys who can't take a joke or anything bad about the show. This makes others slowly deny the points that other fans make when the repectfully defend the show giving valid reasons why and understanding others opinion, saying that they are just loyal fanboys with a mental image of comments like this when that is not the case. Since I need to clarify "This was purely meant for a joke not just to shit on Roosterteeth".
Yang having abandonment issues would get in the way of Bumbleby eventually, that’s why. If she was too controlling, Blake would be reminded of Adam’s actions and behaviors (using 4-6 Adam writing). She would eventually try to end the relationship because of how familiar it was, which only enables Yang’s abandonment issue. .....Actually that would be much more interesting.
A random comment could fix a problem like this in what I assume was a matter of seconds. Apparently the writers just can't be bothered, because THAT, would have been good to see.
Basically the writers are self-projecting tthemselves into the characters without putting into consideration the arcs of said characters in previous volumes
Yang: hates people who left her like her mom, Blake, and Ruby Also Yang: abandons Ruby for shadow friends the moment they arrived at Beacon EDIT: Vexed's vids are so good, I realized that a floating 'V' letter has a better understanding of the human condition, motivations, show development, AND the whole series than CRWBY. He nails it every time, worth putting down the new My Hero Academia Vol. 15! And thank you Vexed for dropping this vid! You set me on the path on how to avoid these narrative screw ups.
Bringing up that retarded false point of Ruby “abandoning” Yang? In case you have a bad memory when it comes to the show, that didn’t happen in the show. In Volume 3, after Ruby’s talk with Yang BUT before Ruby set off with RNJR towards Mistral, we see a small timeskip where the seasons change from Fall to Winter, so a few months passed. The obvious implication is that Ruby spent those few months in Patch with her sister and father, helping with Yang when she could before finally setting off with RNJR in a quest to Mistral to find info about Cinder. Saying that Ruby “abandoned” Yang is retarded nonsense. If you’re going to come to a conclusion about something, actually do your research and * watch the show * Seriously dude.
Dude I had a scenario in my brain where like Yang calls Blake to the courtyard and yang just starts attacking Blake and Blake asks "Why are you attacking me" and yang says You betrayed me you left me when I needed you the most, I I thought I could count on you, I saw the best in you. You shattered it, so I want to get this off my chest because if I don't it's going to keep nagging at me. yang and Blake fight out their feelings after which they both collapse and they finally let out their feelings
I want to laugh but it's so sad, and it's the perfect example of how the writing is pandering to BB shippers. Of course, you can't say that without being called a homophobe or getting the "wHy iS iT oNLy pAnDeRiNg wHeN iT's gAy?" lecture, but it's true. Yang saying that family comes first and then leaving behind drunk Qrow and Ruby so she can grab Blake's hand and have a moment with her kiTTY wAiFu is awful and the shippers are so delusional that they don't care how out of character it was! They eat that shit right up! Yang suddenly forgiving Yang and having everything go back to normal doesn't make sense, but shippers rejoice and praise the show anyway because they don't care about the plot, they care about their ship, and RT will probably keep pandering no matter how much they're called out on it. That's part of why I dropped the show. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Being mad at the person who left you is not an 'abandonment issue, okay?" *It's called common sense and not being a heartless b*** (cough cough Cinder)"
A true character with abandonment issues are Shinji and Askua. To the point where we can see how it affects them with themselves and their relationships with other people. Rooster teeth, it's on Netflix, go watch it. Learn.
Moon P finally somebody said it! The interesting thing about Asuka’s abandonment issues is that it came from her mom who also had abandonment issues with her husband’s affair
Funny thing is apparently Evangelion was one of the main inspirations for RWBY, iirc. Its almost as if they watched alot of anime and just copied what they thought was cool without understanding what made it cool.
Honestly, from my time in literature arts classes online and from personal experience of writing, RT is stuck on something I came to know as Single Partner action. In some weird way, Blake and Yang are partner Characters, RT does everything to tell you that, but they are too much partnering. They only care about the other partner, only get angry at the other partner, only ever seen to speak about the only partner. It's like the Characters don't care about anyone outside of their partnership, when I say partner, I don't mean lovey dovey, but simply those who partner up for action or story progression. Even when they get to go out of the partner thing and make light of Yang's problem with her mom, who's the cat freak always somehow brought up? Bloke. It's like these Characters can't even have proper, not even proper, mental problems without their stupid ship partner.
Interesting. Do you believe this Single Partner problem stems all the way back to the beginning or are they stuck doing the same things as creatures of habit...and a corporation looking to make money on strategies that work?
Michael Rivers Honestly? It could go all the way back to the beginning, but it'd doubtful, it's a grown attribute to writing. A major problem with having a couple or dynamic duo set in your head for a story, you can't ever separate them. It's hard to make Characters you want to, excuse my lingo, bang each other at some point-Stop being around each other. Even at some points when the story may have then hate each other, as a writer you have a hard time letting them stop thinking about one another. I can't blame RT for it happening, as someone who had three original stories fail horribly before I even had the chance to let others criticize them because of this problem, I can't beat them with a stick over it. I can however, criticize their lack of wanting change, it seems like the writers are perfectly alright with it. The only Character I personally believe doesn't have this is Ironwood and Glynda, Characters who have plenty of interactions and helpful dialogue outside of their quote on quote partners.
When you think about it, you realize how little Team RWBY has experienced things as a team. There are little Weiss/Yang, Ruby/Yang, Ruby/Blake, or Weiss/Blake interactions. It doesn't feel like the story is following a "team". Just 4 people or 2 pairs of people traveling together. This feeling has gotten stronger as the series has progressed. Or is this just me?
@@marksmanof117b No trust me a lot of people have noticed. I noticed as soon as Volume 2. I just thought it may have been leading up to something, boy was I wrong.
Hold the phone Vex! Do you mean to tell me that RWBY has a problem conveying information through visual storytelling? So they have to lean too heavily on the dialog? But the dialog isn't consistent enough to serve as a reliable source for conveying characterization? So we pretty much wound up with 6 volumes of bad nonsense?
@ItoMadWorld The voice acting was bad for the 1st few volumes and it looked like VR chat outside of the (extremely well done) fight scenes. They weren't very good, hell I didn't even see advertising until volume 3 came out and at first I thought it was a video game.
I'm calling it now: Yang Xiao Long is the Original Placeholder. As much as I give Oscar Pine flack for being a Placeholder to Ozpin, Yang was the OG in this aspect.
@@MisteRRYouTuby She kinda felt like a "mentor figure" to team rwby (literally gave all of them some kind of pep talk at some point) and she was the very first character to be fatally injured. Her dying would've both helped Ruby's character ark (even M and K couldn't f that up) and gotten rid of the extremely toxic BMBLBY shippers, not that all of them are like that.
@@andrestewart2316 Yeah, the whole 'PTSD' thing is debunked. She just had hand tremors. The same as if you get leg tremors from your body feeling stiff or drinking too many caffeinated drinks.
@@maxargentum5001 She was Mentor, Thrill Seeker, Counselor, Older Sister, Tough Girl, Biker, Hothead, and many other Placeholder Ideas that would work on ANY one character. They were all abandoned for the sake of shipping a pair that sank back in Volume 3. This 'Ghost' Ship of Bimbobee is an insult to the original tag-team to the sisterhood. THE REAL BUMBLEBEE of Volumes 1,2, and 3. That's a separate issue though.
But yeah, trying to have her have abandonment issues, rather than just be pissed and thirsting for answers is a mistake this show makes, and ... doesn't really do well.
It sucks that the biggest thing that holds the show back is how bad the main cast is written (Weiss is the only one that actually has good development)
I like RWBY more ten most people watching this I think, but I have to agree. It's not even like the set up is bad, Ruby and Yang in particular have really good set up, the writers just don't seem o now how to actually follow through with anything character related though.
it's kind of weird how yang thinks of Summer as supermom and yet we never hear her talk about her. Also Yang was totally right to have a grudge against Blake all she had to do was say "I need to go let my family in Menagarie know i'm alright. don't worry i'll be back." then everything would have been fine.
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer If someone lost an arm to save you I think that they at least deserve a thank you before you fucking ditch them. all she had to do was wait for Yang to wake up and talk to her before she left then I don't think Yang would have a grudge against her. But i suppose running away from difficult situations is consistent with the rest of Blake's character so that makes sense.
@@BabyGirlTiny so then Yang is wrong to be angry at the teammate who left her behind? Sure Blake doesn't legally OWE Yang anything but they are supposed to be close friends and close friends are supposed to be there for each other. So when Yang is there for Blake in the fight with Adam she expects Blake to be there for her to help her recover. That isn't a very big thing to ask of someone who's life you just saved.
thomas cannone just like how Yang is supposed to have abandonment issues, Yang and Blake are close friends. I don’t believe Yang and Blake are close friends at all in any way, but because rooster teeth made Yang angry at Blake and Blake alone, I guess that tells me that they are. But they’re not close friends to me. Either way, sure Yang can be angry, she can be as angry as she wants, but that doesn’t mean Blake is in the wrong or that Blake owed Yang an explanation as to why she left. Blake has her own problems to deal with. Why is it that she had to ignore those for Yang? Hell Blake saved yangs life when Yang passed out, so they’re even Steven I’m that account. Blake could have left Yang th here with Adam but she didn’t. And just like how Yang is supposed to be Ruby’s sister, she gave up looking for her to look after Blake, so like, telling me that Blake and Yang are teammates is the wrong argument to make when Yang would have rather ran after Blake than her own sister
@Homez18 I actually agree with that the writers are dumb for making her angry at only Blake because if she has abandonment issues she would be angry at all three teammates. I also agree that Blake and Yang are even and that Blake doesn't owe her an explanation. I just trying to see how Yang would see it. Also while I agree that Blake and Yang aren't that close since they barely talk to each other, I can't say that they aren't close either because Yang only talks to Blake and vice versa when they are together. Yang also clearly thought they were close since she told her about her mother which is something she never told Weiss. tldr: I agree with you that Blake and Yang's "friendship" is poorly shown but it's all we've got to go off of.
Honestly, the only thing that would have sort of sold me with her abandonment issues if she was resentful towards Blake. But they couldn't even do that. There's only one scene where Yang walks away from Blake agitated but they never talk about it again. It's so frustrating because one scene of them arguing could have worked! Remember when Yang drops of Blake so she could go to the radio tower? That should have been where Yang's outburst happen! Talk about missed opportunities!
It would have been sooo interesting if Yang would've been distant with all her teammates after the supposed trigger. Watching Ruby being sad and trying to rebuild their sisterly bond, and dealing with a depressed teammate, building her own character arc of being a leader. Having Weiss take over the "big sister" role with an even bigger impact (reminding Yang that being cold, like Weiss once was does not solve anything). And Blake should have worked super hard to regain Yang's trust, and showing that she won't run anymore. And this distant Yang could have stayed for a few volumes. People don't have only one side, one mood. Yang doesn't always have to be happy and sunny, especially after losing an arm. There is nothing wrong with the yangst, while it has a positive impact on the overall story and character arcs.
Even if she did having loving parents, they still could have written her character to want to seek out her mom and see why she left. An example of this would be people who are adopted but seek out their actual parents. They also could give Raven a reason for leaving like she didn't believe that she would make a good mother, etc.... literally anything than what we got.
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer It really doesn't matter tho, she got over losing her arm way too fast. In universe it took months, but in practice it was too fast. Even in the recent chapters the loss of her arm wasn't that big of a deal anymore, so you have to wonder if it really changed anything in the first place and did it even need to happen at all?
So Yang just has "issues" but not of the abandonment kind, that's not surprising tbh considering how inconsistently she's written... :/. Speaking of which; I believe Raven got shafted on how she would've affected the plot imo.
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer that one way to write Yang character. Now i going to quietly cry because your comment remind me of my experience when playing V3.
Raven is gone for now because, as a writer, you need to know when to put certain plot lines aside. you can't just throw on everything but the kitchen sink. Just because she left doesn't mean she's out of the plot. For goodness sake, does no one have a concept of object permanence?
@@GameCat16 You completely misunderstood my point, Raven's (current) plotline was wasted: her ending with Yang at the end of V2 was retconned moreover RT even admitted large parts of Raven's plotline had to be cut out (especially in V5 aka the sitting in a house and standing around arc). It makes me and other's wonder what they had originally plan for Raven (ofc I didn't expect them to immediately give us everything about her in one go but it was clear Raven's plotline was objectively rushed and could've been better paced/presented like a lot of things in V5). Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions buddy, ofc I know she isn't permanently removed from the plot but I'm just saying; from what I've seen of her so far... there isn't much to look forward too.
Yang: *rocks up at Raven's tent* Raven: "oh let me guess, you're here because I abandoned you and now you want some answ-" Yang: "actually I'm just here to use your semblance to get to Ruby" Raven: "oh... okay then"
Too be fair, he did bang Raven even though she has "THOT" practically written all over here and then went on to raise Yang to be the complete mess that she is now. ...Is there any stable families in this world?
@@MisteRRYouTuby Urgh! That part pisses me off to no end. This furry sociopath has got have probably THE most screwed up moral compass out of all the protagonists and I'm meant to feel bad for her, despite her constant acts of arrogance, cowardice, flat-out cruelty when it comes to Sun and sheer stupidity, bordering on delusion? RT could not have made a more unlikable "Hero." And while I wouldn't mind having a hero you can hate, because there are plenty of good examples, like Spawn or Afro Samurai, but it's the fact that the show and the writers EXPECT us to like her, despite giving us nearly nothing to like about her.
Barbara: *admits Blake abandoned Yang* Also Barbara: "I don't agree with Yang's angst towards Blake. She held that grudge for far too long." (And Arryn approves) A single scene in which they twist Yang's anger into sorrow Blake left her is not angst that lasted for too long! Also, thank you for mentioning the fact Blake and Raven parallel each other. They might be different, but they have lots of similarities (dark-haired women linked to animals, who run away when things get tough, and who abandoned Yang when she needed them, both use blades). I also like how they twisted all the issues between Blake and Yang (Blake's running and Yang's issues) in such manner that neither of them makes the ship look bad
child mental health experts say that if one parent of the abandoned child left when that child had no more than abt 3-4 yrs but he or she is surrounded by a loving family and has someone like grandma in place of mother or grandfather in place of father the trauma usually is not created My father left me and my mom when i was like one and i don't scream to everyone "mY dAd LeFt mEeE tHaT's wHy!!!11111! :
I believe Azula (atla),Gaara(Naruto) and Shinji (Neon Genesis) and Edward(FMA)have abandon issue than Yang.Yang have anger issue than anything else.Each character show some forms of abandon but not Yang .Azula is controlling of everyone expect her father.Gaara is close off to everyone and take anger out on them .Shinji want his father love even knowing he will not get it . Everytime someone mentioned their father Ed is the one who gets anger . Weiss have abandon issue in RWBY. Maybe Ruby too.
I love the voice actors: Arryn and Barbara, but seriously "I think yang was a bit too harsh on blake" YANG RISKED HER LIFE FOR BLAKE. AND GOT HER ARM CUT OFF. AND YOU SAY IT'S "Not that big of a deal" the only reason they think that is because they ship the stupid YellowJacket (BMBLB)
I think you put it very well As someone who is adopted by amazing people and not really knowing until I was old enough to understand such a concept, the feelings I felt when I found out were "Why did my bio parents leave me?" and "Where are my bio parents?". Despite having these questions, I don't have abandonment issues, I just had questions. That's being human. Instead of calling it AI, they should just have said "she wants to get to the bottom of why she was left" and in reference to Blake and Co. they could have used "She's upset she was left behind but she knows that would be bad for the team" or instead of a bottling up, have that conversation. Tell Ruby, Weiss, and Blake that you felt like shit and wanted them there. This isn't AI, this is just anger and confusion and it would make Yang's character seem much more cohesive and less like trying to create a mental issue for everyone.
Always wondered why Yang would care if Raven left her when she was never around to show her love in the first place. Summer on the other hand who was there for Yang to remember and showed love to a daughter that wasn't her own, willingly went out doing Huntsman work that would lead to her demise therefore abandoning your two daughters, husband and teammate that can be easily interpreted to a child who doesn't know what being a Huntsman is like as abandoned. Same with Tai who shut down ignoring his children so Qrow has to help. But then Qrow has to leave every once in a while, you think by doing that Yang would hate anyone who was a Huntsman. But I can't sympathize or empathize all that well with this topic so I could just be talking out of my ass.
... for the Summer abandonment case, she got over it when she learned what happens to Huntsmen, so she knew Summer didn’t abandon her, she gave her life trying to provide for them, Tai’s case doesn’t work anymore because she readily acknowledges that’s what happened without anything other than kindness in her voice as she says it. Qrow would literally only end being a weaker case than summer after that, unfortunately invalidating all 3 of these.
@@scurreith3667 Except she brings up Summer left too when talking to Weiss and that Tai was broken or something. I'm just saying they could have made Yang's abandonment issues a lot better written maybe in her young years where she goes out to school and sees two sides one with technology is so highly advanced now that they have f*ckin robots to easily do the job with enough of them but then realize the fault in them in some way only to show why a Huntsman is needed but when Yang is way older.
They don't allow Team RWBY to hate Blake because that would mean that Blake would have to face consequences for her actions _No one_ in Team RWBY are allowed to be wrong
I don't think yang has abandonment issues, I just quickly searched for the symptoms of abandonment issues and Yang has none of them. There was a lot of potential for her to emphasise this as you've pointed out in the past, but if there were abandonment issues this should have been shown when she met Raven. She should have only ever called her Raven, never mom. She could have been overprotective or dismissive to Ruby throughout the series, but it's never consistent.
No one: RT: Yang has abandonment issues she's such a deep character Everyone: *laugh track* Nah but seriously though she wasn't the one being abandoned, she was the one abandoning lol. Leaves uncle and Ruby in a cellar full of shadow demons, leaves dad as child to go find missing mom. Oh and let's not forget her character arc she left that to
"Leaves uncle and Ruby in a cellar full of shadow demons" Ah... no she didn't? They were all trying to escape when that happened. "leaves dad as child to go find missing mom" "Child" was the key word there. Not to mention that that proces some of her abandonment issues.
@@GameCat16 I see your point, still though I kinda wish they played a bit more on it. And I should've written the shadow demons thing better, I meant it as a point of her talking about how she wants to protect Ruby and what not and finding her little sister in season 5 but decided to take Blake's hand first and run. I think I wrote that better? Idk my bad if I'm explaining this weirdly
@@qing3379 The handholding is a blink and you miss it moment. Also, I'm pretty sure Yang was running out to get the bike running, so she had to leave them for a few moments, with the expectation that they were following her. My memory may be failing, though.
@@GameCat16 I see your point, still I kinda wished that she went after Ruby first. Though that's just a matter of opinion. Lol it's funny though your the first person to have a calm argument with me about stuff like this online. Generally most just get angry
@@qing3379 I've been in enough arguments over the years to know that starting off with unnecessary and uncalled for aggression is the quickest way to get your opponent to ignore your points. At worst, I can be aggressive and obsessive, but I make it a point to never draw first blood. Thanks!
When you write a character with issues like this you don't just throw them in haphazardly like this. Not only will it make 0 sense, but it'll affect previous parts of the story as well. It's basic freaking writing, even I know that and I'm not writing for a popular web anime.
You've made a strong case. Also, it's damaging to characterization when you push certain traits onto a character--and claiming it as fact--without actually portraying it or leaving room for it. If what this video showed me is true, then ... ... I guess CRWBY should write some fanfiction to get into their characters' heads.
*looks at the title* Answer: No. She doesn’t have abandonment issues...just the fact that in recent volumes, she herself abandons the most important people in her life...over to shipping. Thanks writers =w= b
Blake ran away while yang lost her arm, ruby left while yang was going through depression cause of her arm, raven, i have no words for now, who was there for her? Her father tai
I have abandonment issues. At no point has yang ever had the implication of having proper abandonment issues. Honestly, I imagine it's how someone with no concept of what anxiety disorders are even like and has made zero effort to understand them would write someone they might describe as having abandonment issues. Being sad that a parent left and wanting to meet up with them again, or being annoyed that a friend just up and dumped you, these are completely normal. They're not signs of repeated abandonment causing emotional imbalance they're completely mentally healthy responses to being abandoned here and there in cases where it happens. When all you've known your whole life is everyone you've ever grown a connection to suddenly dumping you particularly when there's noone else to help support, it really fucks you up. As a psychological problem it can manifest different ways of course, but it doesn't manifest as vague feelings of "I want to see my mom" and "blake get back here you dumb bitch". Not saying that one or two events can't cause abandonment issues, just that they didn't in yang based on how she behaves and how she feels about them. Then of course the writers just dumped that entire aspect of her character when they might have actually had to pay it off.
It's awesome seeing more of your videos. I like how you are able to put these together and really go in depth with what you are talking about. Keep up the good work.
I also like the fact that you brought up Weiss having more of a reason to have abandonment issues than Yang. It made me realize like you said because they said it so many times I believed it.
I love how ridiculous that conversation between Yang and Weiss was in Volume 5. Yang: "I'm not going to stop being mad at Blake!" Weiss: "When I was kid I had a hard life." Yang: "Uh..." Weiss: "My dad is a jerk and my mom's an alcoholic." Yang: "Okay, but what does this have to do with-" Weiss: "On my birthday my dad said he only married my mom for her money." Yang: "..." Weiss: "Anyways I'm sure Blake had to deal with something similar. Even though I don't know anything about her childhood or family life. You forgive her now?" Yang: "Yeah okay."
Ah... Weiss' thesis was that everyone has their own issues that make it hard to connect to one another. This segwayed into her arguing that Blake's fear of the White Fang and being blames for the Fall of Beacon drove her away. The backstory was a little hamfisted, but it's amazing what a little context can do if you actually bother to include it.
Meanwhile, at the same time Blake's Menagerie arc is going on, and we've got visual evidence that no, Blake's family life was fucking sweet, she's rich, and her parents are simply delightful and all Blake's problems begin and end with Blake being an unjustifiably massive bitch. Weiss, I like ya, but I'm watching the reality of it going on As You're Talking.
@@MangoMagica Shinji and Asuka are the poster children for abandonment issues in two very different extremes, one is incredibly insecure about them-self and the other internalized that insecurity into depression.
Blake is still the worst in my eyes, my boyyo Sun deserves justice, I wish there was a universe where Yang x Sun was a thing, I mean a fun dude that won't leave you no matter what feels like a perfect fit for Yang
_"I think that she held that grudge a little too long, too hard."_ Yeah, because having your friend abandon you after getting your fucking arm cut off is totally not an excuse to be mad at said person.
I think who have big abandon problems is Whitley, Weiss never cared about him, Winter never talk with him in screen, his mother is drunk and his father an asshole. He literally live alone in a big home. And thats why i like Whitley, he never give a pity show like Weiss, just take it all like a chad and ended like mvp in S8.
Yang is Archie in that Riverdale scene where he tells a drug dealer, who dropped out in the FOURTH GRADE, that he didn't understand the triumphs and defeats of High School football
Honestly, I think Yang being pissed off with her whole team would have been a cool dynamic to explore and would have made the real reunion of team RWBY feel way more earned.
Yang was my favorite waifu and they ruined her 😭😭 they need to learn about consistency!! Between the on and off ptsd and the on and off abandonment issues, she's just terrible
Yes thank you for this Vid! She had the writers abandoned the main character development. She forgot about her super mom Summer rose. That hurt so much to see. She chases a low life that left her. She left ruby alone several times one big shock for me was the cellar with the grim. She chose the toxic yellow jacket ship over her own sister. She was written to do anything for her little sister but leaves ruby alone in fights a lot. Yang is the most violent character in the team and its not shown in any positive light.Weiss did have her own version of abandonment and its true everyone does. But Weiss does not let that control her. That's why Weiss is an amazing character
Abandonment issues, that fail to be demonstrated at any time in the show, and also PTSD that was just magically dropped. Yang's writing is a mess, even in comparison to the rest of the show.
I think you're overstating the case, but bring up a number of good points. There are some story beats in RWBY that don't have any set up, or any payoff, or neither. But there are other story beats that are just anemic, and would benefit from more screen time, and I think that's the case here. First, let's assume she has abandonment issues: why would they focus on Blake and not on Weiss and Ruby? Well, it is feasible that reclaiming her role as Ruby's surrogate mother and protector is way more important to her psychological stability than persecuting Ruby as someone who abandoned her. I mean, Yang wants to be who she was: a fighter and Ruby's protector. It's also less likely that she'd see Ruby as having the full agency to abandon her because Ruby has been in her care up until this point. I'm not saying she's right, Ruby did have agency and chose to leave, just that it's unlikely Yang would process it that way. Mother's get empty nest feelings, but the departure of their children rarely trigger full scale abandonment death spirals. As for Weiss, I agree that it may have made for a stronger arc if she'd gotten mad at Weiss too. But it's also believable that any anger she had at Weiss would have dropped away in the intervening months or not formed at all since Weiss was the one she was least close to, and she knew Weiss didn't have a choice about leaving. Who did have a choice AND gave absolutely no 'I want to save the world' explanations for leaving? Blake. Who was she close to? Blake. Who was her equal? Blake. Who was she romantically invested in even if they hadn't gotten their ish together (reading as of Volume 6)? Blake. Who did she lose her arm to protect? Blake? There's a lot that can be laid at Blake's feet, so if she's going to be mad at someone, it would be Blake. You could make it an even stronger arc by saying maybe she is mad at Ruby, but being mad at Ruby conflicts with her need to protect Ruby, so again, it all gets refocused to Blake. Now, that means we need/needed to have had them hash it out. I was legit mad when someone said Yang was mad at Blake too long...like, when was she mad at all?! Anyway, now, again, this is me as an intelligent viewer adding in more depth to the outlines of these story elements given in the show, but I think the elements are there. As for the second point that I thought was really strong: does she even have abandonment issues if she was raised in a loving family? I would say yes. Being raised by Tai only means that her abandonment issues aren't crippling, not that they don't exist. And I think that makes for a much more intriguing story because it means, when you sit and think about it, that Tai is a goddamn hero dad the likes of which are rarely depicted in our media. He managed to raise not one, but two emotionally stable and loving daughters out of the mess of one woman walking out and one woman dying, both in direct relation to an "unwinnable" war against monsters. His daughters are so stable in fact that they can, and regularly do, emotionally ground their more emotionally effed up partners. Also, we do see Yang cling to relationships in the show (some waffling in Volume 1 aside). Yang very much gives the impression of, "if you're friends with me, you're a friend for life" vibe, which syncs with someone who does not want any of their relationships to end. Now, again, all of these things needed more screen time, but I feel that's like, all of RWBY. Give me a 20 episode, 20 mn per episode season please. In lieu of that, like Celtic Phoenix and Unicorn of War, I'm working on a rewrite/adaptation into novel form to explore all of these things in more depth (and to have more black people! because we exist, and to have real racism because the racism in RWBY is...problematic). I really like your critiques, and if you had any time, I'd love to get your opinions on my work. But if you're like, "uh, I need a life," also cool. I'm loving your videos, both for their critiques and because they're hilarious, and look forward to more of them.
I agree with most of this. However, there is no strong indication that Blake and Yang are romantically involved. The show is doing more to push Black Sun than Bumblebee. Just because they're close friends doesn't mean they want to sleep together.
@@GameCat16 Bumblebee is under developed, but again, so are many things. That said, at this point, it is clearly their intention, so it was taken into account for this analysis.
@@cambriel8264 Well, consider this. Two people can be friends without wanting to bed each other. Also, we have had more shipping implications with Black Sun (them going on a date, flirting, Blake blushing, her mother shipping them, etc.). Just because Yang and Blake are close friends does not mean the show is trying to push them romantically. Apologies if I come off as strong here, but this is a pet peeve of mine for the Volume and its reception.
@@GameCat16 I guess we'll see in Volume 7. My bet is that they intend to develop the romantic relationship between Blake and Yang. As such, when thinking about how Yang's story arc would ideally be written, it was in a version where Bumblebee was ideally written as well. Again, I don't disagree with you that Bumblebee is underdeveloped. If you're going to do a romantic plot, you should be explicit about it especially if it involves two women or men precisely because we live in heteronormative societies that like to wave such relationships away as close friendships. So yeah, Bumblebee is underwritten, I just think that was a mistake that they're now trying to correct, similar to other plotting issues they are adressing as their writing gets stronger.
Calling it now, neither Yang nor Blake will do anything important for the rest of the series. Their entire role in the show will just be to be in a relationship with each other, which will just involve them smothering each other with affection. Weiss will soon follow, after the Atlas arc ends she also won't have anything left to do in the story. And Ruby never had any investment in the story. Pretty much everyone but Oscar is irrelevant to the plot since it all just stems from Ozpin and Salem's relationship problems. None of the original main cast has any personal investment in the plot. They're just passively going along with it.
They're not in a relationship. That is a lie that has gone on too long. But I guess it proves VV's opening point; you repeat something enough and people will start to believe it. Also, you seem to be ignoring the Silver Eyes and the fact that Salem fears them. That should be reason enough for Ruby to be a part of all of this.
@@BabyGirlTiny That one crocodile/ alligator Faunus claimed she was hired to kill Maria because of her eyes, which only pose a threat to the Grimm. The Grimm are Salem's primary weapon aside from the humans/ Faunus she can manipulate. Further, when discussing things with Cinder in Volume 5, she warned that Ruby could do great harm to her (suggesting that the Silver Eyes and the Maidens' powers don't agree too well). It's not that she's directly afraid of them. She can't be, seeing as the point of her character is that she's absolutely indestructible. It's that she's concerned for the trouble that those eyes could cause for her plans.
@@GameCat16 Oh right those stupid Silver Eyes are a thing, speaking of being involved in the plot, am i the only one who realizes that technically no one in the main cast is helping to defeat Salem out of their own free will but rather because they don't have a choice?
Yang’s character has been consistently shafted: they dropped her PTSD subplot, failed to capture her “abandonment issues” and made her beef with Blake evaporate without talking it out.
5:29 Wait Weiss left yang? 🤔But her dad picked her up and she was 17 at the time. I don’t think she had a choice in the matter. Unless she called her dad to pick her up but i don’t know. Plus I’m pretty sure her dad might have seen the television news saying how vale or beacon got attacked. He might not be the best father but he still holds some value towards his daughter. Kind of like Tywin Lannister and his impish son, Tyrion Lannister. He sees that he’s a midget but he kind of found him useful at times bcuz his son was the smartest and more clever than any of his other siblings, plus he also held the surname Lannister which made him even more valuable to Tywin. The only problem was he was a dwarf and was the cause of his wife’s death, that was it. Weiss holds the surname schnee and at the time she was still heiress to the company until vol 4. So when her dad comes to pick her up she’s not really leaving Yang, she’s just going with her dad bcuz unfortunately in this situation she was obligated to go unless she was 18. If for some reason he had not shown up, Weiss might have gone with yang but she felt as though she had to go back to atlas with her family. That’s just how I perceive it at least.
You're talking about someone who doesn't have psychological issues interfering with their rational thought, looking at the situation. Someone with a strong emotional hang up like abandonment issues, like Yang supposedly has, wouldn't have bonded so quickly with the other members of RWBY like she did without an entire arc to bond with them. The fact that they left her while she was at her lowest point, no matter the reason, should have sent any trust she had in them down the toilet and it would have been up to them to show her why trusting them was in any way a good idea.
RWBY has the worst case of show don't tell ever. So bad that the people behind the show have to tell you what you are supposed to think about the characters.
honestly i just ... volume 6 was a step forwards in many ways. I thank both the writers and the crew for giving me an enjoyable time. But honestly, blake and yang deserved a better reconciliation arc. When your friends leave you like that, it's hard to get over it. Scars are left. thank you again for your time and effort Vexed in making this.
They’d like us to think that they are subtle in their writing, but this subtlety is inconsistent. Sometimes, there is a hint to something greater, but many times, it just leads to something lackluster. One example is the Faunus discrimination and how Adam’s branding would have worked if it were revealed outside of Blake’s conflict with Adam I think it’s really just time to reboot RWBY, but I’m afraid that it will only get worse, what with new developments regarding Rooster Teeth staff as well as the loss of Vic
I used to argue that Yang doesn’t have abandonment issues because her character never showed any signs of it. Wanting to know what happened to raven isn’t abandonment issues and it was a fine thing for Yang to have. She had a family and even with Tai shutting himself down there’s no indication that Yang had a problem with people leaving her. Her entire character revolved around wanting to know raven and that’s it. People claimed that Blake leaving and how Yang took it as evidence, but every time I brought up the fact that Ruby left and Yang didn’t care, people ignored it. When I brought up Weiss leaving and Yang not caring, people ignored it. But for some reason Yang values Blake more than literally anyone else and I’m supposed to believe that she has abandonment issues but towards this one person who she barely knows and this one person only? And to make matters worse, this character also had her terribly written issues that for some reason Yang couldn’t seem to grasp. Is it because Yang knows nothing about Blake at all and her anger doesn’t make any sense?
1.) Ruby spent time with Yang beforehand, is closer to a daughter than a mother or partner, and actually bothered to write Yang back, something that neither Blake nor Raven did. 2.) Yang told Ruby herself that Jacques took Weiss away, so she knows for a fact that Weiss had no power in the situation (especially since she was there when Weiss ranted about his abuse of her). 3.) Yang developed a closer bond to Blake than to Weiss, so the feelings hit harder. Yang and Weiss barely interacted beyond that one tag-team fight in Volume 3.
Wyatt Ewert Yang was still in a dark spot. It does not matter if ruby writer because in the end Yang still needed someone by her side and ruby left. It also makes Ruby’s whole entire scene about how she feels she abandoned Yang pointless. 2. It does not matter whether or not Yang knew why Weiss left, the fact is that Yang didn’t have her team. That’s like saying that Yang shouldn’t feel anything about summer dying because she knows death is a part of life and it was only a matter of time before summer was to die. It shouldn’t affect her now, but it still seemingly does. Unless yangs issues is only about raven and raven only and nothing else. 2, Yang is not closer to Blake than she is Weiss. They had one conversation in volume 2 and that was it. That’s Yang and Blake’s entire relationship. But because the show is forcing Yang to have a strong reaction towards Blake, I’m supposed to believe that they are close despite the show never developing them as friends besides that one scene in volume 2. It also goes to show that Blake and Yang weren’t that close where Yang would feel that Blake abandoned her, instead of seeing that Blake had things she also has to deal with the same way Yang does. It took weiss to tell yang that Blake didn't just up and leave because she wanted too and that maybe something more was going on. But Blake and Yang are so close
Does she? no. should she? yes. Yang just seems like you are told she suffers from a lot of things yet she is still the best and none of that suffering actually affects her at all. honestly she seems like the person with the least reason to be where she is, what is her drive? besides wanting to slap Blake's butt cheeks. You could say it's about her mum but that got shut down. Could be revenge against Adam but that is finished and not even due to her actively pursuing it. Last thing I can think of is protecting her sister but volume 6 showed she cares more about saving that pussy......cat than her sister
The awful mishandling of Yang's character in these last few Volumes is maybe the biggest example of RWBY's terrible writing. I love this show, and I have for a long tine, but the writing is just... so bad.
Completely agree to the points given in the video also regarding the nonsensical "PTSD" Yang has, I wish that instead of the PTSD that went nowhere, RT should have just given her a slight inferiority complex after the fall of beacon... It would've been more interesting in the narrative.
Watching the clips you put in this video makes the show feel like a daytime soap where it's all about the endless melodrama. Completely unsurprisingly and doubtlessly not a coincidence, it's mostly clips of volumes 4 & 5
Yeah, that's because he's deliberately ignoring all the drama from Volumes 1-2. LIke the bully arc, the love triangle between Jaune, Neptune, and Weiss, the racism dispute, the girls pitying themselves after their interview with their professor prompted an identity crisis, etc.
@@GameCat16 I try to blot the bully arc out of my mind also. I laughed so hard at "the love triangle between Jaune, Neptune and Weiss" like lmao oh yeah, they really did that huh.
I think she has abandonment issues because the writers abandoned her character arc.
Heh
That was nice, you get a like from me. 👌
Nice
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LOL! Bruv, that was hilarious! XD
When people say "Goddamn it, Barb!" It isn't because she keeps making bad jokes, its because she makes her character sound complex and it makes it harder for the writers to shove in character development.
She sounds bored nowadays too
No it's because of the bad jokes don't be fucking stupid. I know you want to shit on RWBY/Rooster teeth/Barbra but don't just lie about it.
If you have a problem say it, if you want to make a joke don't frame it as real.
@@nahte123456 I still like RWBY but I can understand some criticism on topics about it. I also understand that jokes will offend someone and I will laugh at a good joke even if it was offensive to my race or alliance. You are just painting people who defend the show as easily triggered fanboys who can't take a joke or anything bad about the show. This makes others slowly deny the points that other fans make when the repectfully defend the show giving valid reasons why and understanding others opinion, saying that they are just loyal fanboys with a mental image of comments like this when that is not the case. Since I need to clarify "This was purely meant for a joke not just to shit on Roosterteeth".
@@nahte123456 You're way too hype defending those idiots
Yang having abandonment issues would get in the way of Bumbleby eventually, that’s why.
If she was too controlling, Blake would be reminded of Adam’s actions and behaviors (using 4-6 Adam writing). She would eventually try to end the relationship because of how familiar it was, which only enables Yang’s abandonment issue.
.....Actually that would be much more interesting.
A random comment could fix a problem like this in what I assume was a matter of seconds. Apparently the writers just can't be bothered, because THAT, would have been good to see.
@@nova1153 Congratulations for agreeing with a cliche 🤦🏿♂️
GLaDOS
Thing is you can have romance and have Yang have abandonment issues at same time.
Guess the writers are not smart enough to fo that
But then people would start hating on Bumblebee and calling Yang abusive
But that just isnt nearly gay enough
Do the writers have writer issues?
Answer: yes
Short answer: Can't you tell? If not, YES.
Basically the writers are self-projecting tthemselves into the characters without putting into consideration the arcs of said characters in previous volumes
Yang: hates people who left her like her mom, Blake, and Ruby
Also Yang: abandons Ruby for shadow friends the moment they arrived at Beacon
EDIT: Vexed's vids are so good, I realized that a floating 'V' letter has a better understanding of the human condition, motivations, show development, AND the whole series than CRWBY. He nails it every time, worth putting down the new My Hero Academia Vol. 15! And thank you Vexed for dropping this vid! You set me on the path on how to avoid these narrative screw ups.
Dammit, Yang...
@@benjaminmcneil574 You mean "GODDAMMIT YANG!"
same
Off topic, but I unironically miss the shadow people and I don’t know why.
Bringing up that retarded false point of Ruby “abandoning” Yang? In case you have a bad memory when it comes to the show, that didn’t happen in the show. In Volume 3, after Ruby’s talk with Yang BUT before Ruby set off with RNJR towards Mistral, we see a small timeskip where the seasons change from Fall to Winter, so a few months passed. The obvious implication is that Ruby spent those few months in Patch with her sister and father, helping with Yang when she could before finally setting off with RNJR in a quest to Mistral to find info about Cinder. Saying that Ruby “abandoned” Yang is retarded nonsense. If you’re going to come to a conclusion about something, actually do your research and * watch the show * Seriously dude.
Biggest shock for me was her immediate acceptance and forgiveness of Blake in V5. Truly a wtf moment.
Dude I had a scenario in my brain where like Yang calls Blake to the courtyard and yang just starts attacking Blake and Blake asks "Why are you attacking me" and yang says You betrayed me you left me when I needed you the most, I I thought I could count on you, I saw the best in you. You shattered it, so I want to get this off my chest because if I don't it's going to keep nagging at me. yang and Blake fight out their feelings after which they both collapse and they finally let out their feelings
Then I'm guessing the Adam fight in Vol. 6 was unbearable to watch.
I know right?
@@MisteRRYouTuby God, that was soooo cringe. I could hear the sheep squealing with joy when they held hands...ugh....
One word: shipping
"That argument has no legs"
I dunno, man... looks like it's missing an arm, too.
And yet she abandoned her sister in that cellar with her drunk uncle.
ahaha
She also didn't think twice about threatening her uncle when Oscar revealed Ozpin was lying to everyone when Ruby had the lamp.
I want to laugh but it's so sad, and it's the perfect example of how the writing is pandering to BB shippers. Of course, you can't say that without being called a homophobe or getting the "wHy iS iT oNLy pAnDeRiNg wHeN iT's gAy?" lecture, but it's true. Yang saying that family comes first and then leaving behind drunk Qrow and Ruby so she can grab Blake's hand and have a moment with her kiTTY wAiFu is awful and the shippers are so delusional that they don't care how out of character it was! They eat that shit right up! Yang suddenly forgiving Yang and having everything go back to normal doesn't make sense, but shippers rejoice and praise the show anyway because they don't care about the plot, they care about their ship, and RT will probably keep pandering no matter how much they're called out on it. That's part of why I dropped the show. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Kyros Droztamyr Oh God you're right.
oof
"Being mad at the person who left you is not an 'abandonment issue, okay?"
*It's called common sense and not being a heartless b*** (cough cough Cinder)"
A true character with abandonment issues are Shinji and Askua. To the point where we can see how it affects them with themselves and their relationships with other people.
Rooster teeth, it's on Netflix, go watch it. Learn.
Moon P finally somebody said it! The interesting thing about Asuka’s abandonment issues is that it came from her mom who also had abandonment issues with her husband’s affair
Funny thing is apparently Evangelion was one of the main inspirations for RWBY, iirc. Its almost as if they watched alot of anime and just copied what they thought was cool without understanding what made it cool.
Cynga! You got it spot on!
Honestly, from my time in literature arts classes online and from personal experience of writing, RT is stuck on something I came to know as Single Partner action. In some weird way, Blake and Yang are partner Characters, RT does everything to tell you that, but they are too much partnering. They only care about the other partner, only get angry at the other partner, only ever seen to speak about the only partner. It's like the Characters don't care about anyone outside of their partnership, when I say partner, I don't mean lovey dovey, but simply those who partner up for action or story progression.
Even when they get to go out of the partner thing and make light of Yang's problem with her mom, who's the cat freak always somehow brought up? Bloke. It's like these Characters can't even have proper, not even proper, mental problems without their stupid ship partner.
Interesting. Do you believe this Single Partner problem stems all the way back to the beginning or are they stuck doing the same things as creatures of habit...and a corporation looking to make money on strategies that work?
Michael Rivers Honestly? It could go all the way back to the beginning, but it'd doubtful, it's a grown attribute to writing. A major problem with having a couple or dynamic duo set in your head for a story, you can't ever separate them. It's hard to make Characters you want to, excuse my lingo, bang each other at some point-Stop being around each other. Even at some points when the story may have then hate each other, as a writer you have a hard time letting them stop thinking about one another. I can't blame RT for it happening, as someone who had three original stories fail horribly before I even had the chance to let others criticize them because of this problem, I can't beat them with a stick over it. I can however, criticize their lack of wanting change, it seems like the writers are perfectly alright with it. The only Character I personally believe doesn't have this is Ironwood and Glynda, Characters who have plenty of interactions and helpful dialogue outside of their quote on quote partners.
When you think about it, you realize how little Team RWBY has experienced things as a team. There are little Weiss/Yang, Ruby/Yang, Ruby/Blake, or Weiss/Blake interactions. It doesn't feel like the story is following a "team". Just 4 people or 2 pairs of people traveling together. This feeling has gotten stronger as the series has progressed. Or is this just me?
@@starboy693 That was really good advice to people that want to write stories on the future, like me, thanks my friend
@@marksmanof117b No trust me a lot of people have noticed. I noticed as soon as Volume 2. I just thought it may have been leading up to something, boy was I wrong.
Me: I don't know, what do you think Yang's Mom?
Yang's Mom: *shrugs shoulders*
Since you're not referencing SuperMom, I'm guessing you meant her Biological Mom.
@@MisteRRYouTuby yes
@@MisteRRYouTuby So then alternatively:
What do you think, Yang's mom?
Yang's mom: *angry tombstone noises*
You mean edgy milf.
The writers can say the characters have all these problems but if it's not properly portrayed in the show then the claims aren't valid
correct!
@@VexedViewer it seems like they would rather tell than show you
AS THE PRESIDENT OF KAIBA CORP I DECLARE YANG'S ABANDONMENT ISSUES INVALID!
@@GLXY23 or tell the fans don't like it don't watch it
@@loiiysailor1177 lol yea
Hold the phone Vex!
Do you mean to tell me that RWBY has a problem conveying information through visual storytelling?
So they have to lean too heavily on the dialog?
But the dialog isn't consistent enough to serve as a reliable source for conveying characterization?
So we pretty much wound up with 6 volumes of bad nonsense?
It's 4. Volumes 3-6. While the first two are just as bad, they get a pass because of the crew back then were trying to make sense of it all.
Yeah but visual storytelling requires modeling. Better to stick to a handful of assets.
@ItoMadWorld no... no... they weren't
Well, when you repeat something (even a lie) often enough, people tend to believe it.
@ItoMadWorld The voice acting was bad for the 1st few volumes and it looked like VR chat outside of the (extremely well done) fight scenes. They weren't very good, hell I didn't even see advertising until volume 3 came out and at first I thought it was a video game.
does Yang have a consistent personality?
nope
Honestly if they changed Yang's pseudo abandonment issues and "PTSD" to just straight out bipolar, it would make a lot of sense but alas.
I'm calling it now: Yang Xiao Long is the Original Placeholder. As much as I give Oscar Pine flack for being a Placeholder to Ozpin, Yang was the OG in this aspect.
@@MisteRRYouTuby She kinda felt like a "mentor figure" to team rwby (literally gave all of them some kind of pep talk at some point) and she was the very first character to be fatally injured. Her dying would've both helped Ruby's character ark (even M and K couldn't f that up) and gotten rid of the extremely toxic BMBLBY shippers, not that all of them are like that.
@@andrestewart2316 Yeah, the whole 'PTSD' thing is debunked. She just had hand tremors. The same as if you get leg tremors from your body feeling stiff or drinking too many caffeinated drinks.
@@maxargentum5001 She was Mentor, Thrill Seeker, Counselor, Older Sister, Tough Girl, Biker, Hothead, and many other Placeholder Ideas that would work on ANY one character. They were all abandoned for the sake of shipping a pair that sank back in Volume 3. This 'Ghost' Ship of Bimbobee is an insult to the original tag-team to the sisterhood. THE REAL BUMBLEBEE of Volumes 1,2, and 3. That's a separate issue though.
Obviously she can't be dealing with AI.
Penny is dead.
tehe
But yeah, trying to have her have abandonment issues, rather than just be pissed and thirsting for answers is a mistake this show makes, and ... doesn't really do well.
That's cold...
Meanwhile in Vol.7
@@mo-b1354 Meanwhile in vol 8...
Isnt it ironic that the person they decide to ship her with has a habit of running away?
I think that was sort of the point. Kind of like how Blake alludes to Beauty while Yang is kinda temperamental like the Beast.
It sucks that the biggest thing that holds the show back is how bad the main cast is written (Weiss is the only one that actually has good development)
I must respectfully disagree. Neo is best character. 😎
@@MisteRRYouTuby I agree. She is best girl
@@MisteRRYouTuby not the main cast though
@@thexenosaiyan Touché.
I like RWBY more ten most people watching this I think, but I have to agree. It's not even like the set up is bad, Ruby and Yang in particular have really good set up, the writers just don't seem o now how to actually follow through with anything character related though.
it's kind of weird how yang thinks of Summer as supermom and yet we never hear her talk about her.
Also Yang was totally right to have a grudge against Blake all she had to do was say "I need to go let my family in Menagarie know i'm alright. don't worry i'll be back." then everything would have been fine.
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer If someone lost an arm to save you I think that they at least deserve a thank you before you fucking ditch them. all she had to do was wait for Yang to wake up and talk to her before she left then I don't think Yang would have a grudge against her. But i suppose running away from difficult situations is consistent with the rest of Blake's character so that makes sense.
thomas cannone just because yang jumped in to that fight, it doesn’t mean Blake owes her anything. At all.
@@BabyGirlTiny so then Yang is wrong to be angry at the teammate who left her behind? Sure Blake doesn't legally OWE Yang anything but they are supposed to be close friends and close friends are supposed to be there for each other. So when Yang is there for Blake in the fight with Adam she expects Blake to be there for her to help her recover. That isn't a very big thing to ask of someone who's life you just saved.
thomas cannone just like how Yang is supposed to have abandonment issues, Yang and Blake are close friends. I don’t believe Yang and Blake are close friends at all in any way, but because rooster teeth made Yang angry at Blake and Blake alone, I guess that tells me that they are. But they’re not close friends to me. Either way, sure Yang can be angry, she can be as angry as she wants, but that doesn’t mean Blake is in the wrong or that Blake owed Yang an explanation as to why she left. Blake has her own problems to deal with. Why is it that she had to ignore those for Yang? Hell Blake saved yangs life when Yang passed out, so they’re even Steven I’m that account. Blake could have left Yang th here with Adam but she didn’t. And just like how Yang is supposed to be Ruby’s sister, she gave up looking for her to look after Blake, so like, telling me that Blake and Yang are teammates is the wrong argument to make when Yang would have rather ran after Blake than her own sister
@Homez18 I actually agree with that the writers are dumb for making her angry at only Blake because if she has abandonment issues she would be angry at all three teammates. I also agree that Blake and Yang are even and that Blake doesn't owe her an explanation. I just trying to see how Yang would see it. Also while I agree that Blake and Yang aren't that close since they barely talk to each other, I can't say that they aren't close either because Yang only talks to Blake and vice versa when they are together. Yang also clearly thought they were close since she told her about her mother which is something she never told Weiss. tldr: I agree with you that Blake and Yang's "friendship" is poorly shown but it's all we've got to go off of.
Honestly, the only thing that would have sort of sold me with her abandonment issues if she was resentful towards Blake. But they couldn't even do that. There's only one scene where Yang walks away from Blake agitated but they never talk about it again. It's so frustrating because one scene of them arguing could have worked! Remember when Yang drops of Blake so she could go to the radio tower? That should have been where Yang's outburst happen! Talk about missed opportunities!
yeaaaahh...
it really only would have felt right if it started back in vol 4 tho. :/
And doesn’t she walk away because Blake says the wrong thing and makes it seem like Yang can’t handle herself?
It would have been sooo interesting if Yang would've been distant with all her teammates after the supposed trigger. Watching Ruby being sad and trying to rebuild their sisterly bond, and dealing with a depressed teammate, building her own character arc of being a leader. Having Weiss take over the "big sister" role with an even bigger impact (reminding Yang that being cold, like Weiss once was does not solve anything). And Blake should have worked super hard to regain Yang's trust, and showing that she won't run anymore. And this distant Yang could have stayed for a few volumes.
People don't have only one side, one mood. Yang doesn't always have to be happy and sunny, especially after losing an arm. There is nothing wrong with the yangst, while it has a positive impact on the overall story and character arcs.
Even if she did having loving parents, they still could have written her character to want to seek out her mom and see why she left. An example of this would be people who are adopted but seek out their actual parents. They also could give Raven a reason for leaving like she didn't believe that she would make a good mother, etc.... literally anything than what we got.
Well, yes because she lost her greatest weapon: her arm...
And then gained it back a few episodes later! Come on, Rooster Teeth.
Five Chapters, actually...
Although it would be interesting if she had to regain use of the arm, and her combat skills aren’t quite what they used to be
Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer then why make a big deal out of it if Yang didn’t actually lose anything
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer It really doesn't matter tho, she got over losing her arm way too fast. In universe it took months, but in practice it was too fast. Even in the recent chapters the loss of her arm wasn't that big of a deal anymore, so you have to wonder if it really changed anything in the first place and did it even need to happen at all?
So Yang just has "issues" but not of the abandonment kind, that's not surprising tbh considering how inconsistently she's written... :/.
Speaking of which; I believe Raven got shafted on how she would've affected the plot imo.
The only issues she has are angry issues some odd reason they think the fans only loved her for being angry and nothing more
@Chiaki Nanami- SHSL Gamer that one way to write Yang character. Now i going to quietly cry because your comment remind me of my experience when playing V3.
Raven is gone for now because, as a writer, you need to know when to put certain plot lines aside. you can't just throw on everything but the kitchen sink. Just because she left doesn't mean she's out of the plot. For goodness sake, does no one have a concept of object permanence?
@@GameCat16 You completely misunderstood my point, Raven's (current) plotline was wasted: her ending with Yang at the end of V2 was retconned moreover RT even admitted large parts of Raven's plotline had to be cut out (especially in V5 aka the sitting in a house and standing around arc).
It makes me and other's wonder what they had originally plan for Raven (ofc I didn't expect them to immediately give us everything about her in one go but it was clear Raven's plotline was objectively rushed and could've been better paced/presented like a lot of things in V5).
Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions buddy, ofc I know she isn't permanently removed from the plot but I'm just saying; from what I've seen of her so far... there isn't much to look forward too.
Yang: *rocks up at Raven's tent*
Raven: "oh let me guess, you're here because I abandoned you and now you want some answ-"
Yang: "actually I'm just here to use your semblance to get to Ruby"
Raven: "oh... okay then"
Also #JusticeForTai for dealing with a daughter like Yang and a wife like -Raven- Yang's Mom
Pour one out for the papa
Meh. Tai is suspect...he abandoned Yang's Bio-Mom to bang Ruby's mom...whoa.
Michael Rivers oof
@@MisteRRYouTuby
She did it first... I can't really blame him. Not when he needed a mother to take care of his kid.
Too be fair, he did bang Raven even though she has "THOT" practically written all over here and then went on to raise Yang to be the complete mess that she is now.
...Is there any stable families in this world?
Blake left her just like her mom and she did absolutely nothing to Blake but her mom she is furious
One: shipping
Two: mom needs to look bad and yang needs to look good
Three: They need to give Blake as many passes as possible to garner sympathy and empathy towards her...despite all evidence proving otherwise.
@@MisteRRYouTuby Urgh! That part pisses me off to no end. This furry sociopath has got have probably THE most screwed up moral compass out of all the protagonists and I'm meant to feel bad for her, despite her constant acts of arrogance, cowardice, flat-out cruelty when it comes to Sun and sheer stupidity, bordering on delusion?
RT could not have made a more unlikable "Hero." And while I wouldn't mind having a hero you can hate, because there are plenty of good examples, like Spawn or Afro Samurai, but it's the fact that the show and the writers EXPECT us to like her, despite giving us nearly nothing to like about her.
@@randomcenturion7264 I mean, she was literally a terrorist...
Yeah they turn her legitimate anger towards Blake into her whining that she isn’t there.
Barbara: *admits Blake abandoned Yang*
Also Barbara: "I don't agree with Yang's angst towards Blake. She held that grudge for far too long." (And Arryn approves)
A single scene in which they twist Yang's anger into sorrow Blake left her is not angst that lasted for too long!
Also, thank you for mentioning the fact Blake and Raven parallel each other. They might be different, but they have lots of similarities (dark-haired women linked to animals, who run away when things get tough, and who abandoned Yang when she needed them, both use blades). I also like how they twisted all the issues between Blake and Yang (Blake's running and Yang's issues) in such manner that neither of them makes the ship look bad
child mental health experts say that if one parent of the abandoned child left when that child had no more than abt 3-4 yrs but he or she is surrounded by a loving family and has someone like grandma in place of mother or grandfather in place of father the trauma usually is not created
My father left me and my mom when i was like one and i don't scream to everyone "mY dAd LeFt mEeE tHaT's wHy!!!11111! :
I believe Azula (atla),Gaara(Naruto) and Shinji (Neon Genesis) and Edward(FMA)have abandon issue than Yang.Yang have anger issue than anything else.Each character show some forms of abandon but not Yang .Azula is controlling of everyone expect her father.Gaara is close off to everyone and take anger out on them .Shinji want his father love even knowing he will not get it . Everytime someone mentioned their father Ed is the one who gets anger .
Weiss have abandon issue in RWBY. Maybe Ruby too.
also in helluva boss blitz have abandon issue
I love the voice actors: Arryn and Barbara, but seriously "I think yang was a bit too harsh on blake" YANG RISKED HER LIFE FOR BLAKE. AND GOT HER ARM CUT OFF. AND YOU SAY IT'S "Not that big of a deal" the only reason they think that is because they ship the stupid YellowJacket (BMBLB)
I think you put it very well
As someone who is adopted by amazing people and not really knowing until I was old enough to understand such a concept, the feelings I felt when I found out were "Why did my bio parents leave me?" and "Where are my bio parents?". Despite having these questions, I don't have abandonment issues, I just had questions. That's being human. Instead of calling it AI, they should just have said "she wants to get to the bottom of why she was left" and in reference to Blake and Co. they could have used "She's upset she was left behind but she knows that would be bad for the team" or instead of a bottling up, have that conversation. Tell Ruby, Weiss, and Blake that you felt like shit and wanted them there. This isn't AI, this is just anger and confusion and it would make Yang's character seem much more cohesive and less like trying to create a mental issue for everyone.
Yang's Arc: Wait here for me, I'm gonna go buy some cigarettes from the store.
Yang: Okay.
Yang's Arc:
You just made me realize, Weiss is actually the best character from the main group.
She’s the only moderately well written one.
To be fair that’s really not saying much: it’s like saying a turd with a little hat on us better then the three run of the mill turds next to it.
So Yang has issues just not abandonment.
Oh she has issues alright. lol
Correct. Then again, the writers have issues with her very existence; even when MONTY was alive.
@@VexedViewer angry issues
@@loiiysailor1177 oh yeah. And these issues are angry because writers ignore them, right? It makes so much sence now!
Always wondered why Yang would care if Raven left her when she was never around to show her love in the first place. Summer on the other hand who was there for Yang to remember and showed love to a daughter that wasn't her own, willingly went out doing Huntsman work that would lead to her demise therefore abandoning your two daughters, husband and teammate that can be easily interpreted to a child who doesn't know what being a Huntsman is like as abandoned. Same with Tai who shut down ignoring his children so Qrow has to help. But then Qrow has to leave every once in a while, you think by doing that Yang would hate anyone who was a Huntsman.
But I can't sympathize or empathize all that well with this topic so I could just be talking out of my ass.
... for the Summer abandonment case, she got over it when she learned what happens to Huntsmen, so she knew Summer didn’t abandon her, she gave her life trying to provide for them, Tai’s case doesn’t work anymore because she readily acknowledges that’s what happened without anything other than kindness in her voice as she says it. Qrow would literally only end being a weaker case than summer after that, unfortunately invalidating all 3 of these.
@@scurreith3667 Except she brings up Summer left too when talking to Weiss and that Tai was broken or something. I'm just saying they could have made Yang's abandonment issues a lot better written maybe in her young years where she goes out to school and sees two sides one with technology is so highly advanced now that they have f*ckin robots to easily do the job with enough of them but then realize the fault in them in some way only to show why a Huntsman is needed but when Yang is way older.
The abandonment issues stem from the writers abandoning any good idea that they had for her.
They don't allow Team RWBY to hate Blake because that would mean that Blake would have to face consequences for her actions
_No one_ in Team RWBY are allowed to be wrong
That’s sadly true.
Damn........yang's worst than blake?
THAT. SAYING. SOMETHING.
I don't think yang has abandonment issues, I just quickly searched for the symptoms of abandonment issues and Yang has none of them. There was a lot of potential for her to emphasise this as you've pointed out in the past, but if there were abandonment issues this should have been shown when she met Raven. She should have only ever called her Raven, never mom. She could have been overprotective or dismissive to Ruby throughout the series, but it's never consistent.
No one:
RT: Yang has abandonment issues she's such a deep character
Everyone: *laugh track*
Nah but seriously though she wasn't the one being abandoned, she was the one abandoning lol. Leaves uncle and Ruby in a cellar full of shadow demons, leaves dad as child to go find missing mom. Oh and let's not forget her character arc she left that to
"Leaves uncle and Ruby in a cellar full of shadow demons"
Ah... no she didn't? They were all trying to escape when that happened.
"leaves dad as child to go find missing mom"
"Child" was the key word there. Not to mention that that proces some of her abandonment issues.
@@GameCat16 I see your point, still though I kinda wish they played a bit more on it. And I should've written the shadow demons thing better, I meant it as a point of her talking about how she wants to protect Ruby and what not and finding her little sister in season 5 but decided to take Blake's hand first and run. I think I wrote that better? Idk my bad if I'm explaining this weirdly
@@qing3379 The handholding is a blink and you miss it moment. Also, I'm pretty sure Yang was running out to get the bike running, so she had to leave them for a few moments, with the expectation that they were following her. My memory may be failing, though.
@@GameCat16 I see your point, still I kinda wished that she went after Ruby first. Though that's just a matter of opinion. Lol it's funny though your the first person to have a calm argument with me about stuff like this online. Generally most just get angry
@@qing3379 I've been in enough arguments over the years to know that starting off with unnecessary and uncalled for aggression is the quickest way to get your opponent to ignore your points. At worst, I can be aggressive and obsessive, but I make it a point to never draw first blood.
Thanks!
Vex, thanks for being as fair and objective as possible. I really appreciate it. Always a pleasure to watch one of your videos.
thanks
Good to see you again vexed
My boi Vexed
It's been awhile
When you write a character with issues like this you don't just throw them in haphazardly like this. Not only will it make 0 sense, but it'll affect previous parts of the story as well. It's basic freaking writing, even I know that and I'm not writing for a popular web anime.
You've made a strong case. Also, it's damaging to characterization when you push certain traits onto a character--and claiming it as fact--without actually portraying it or leaving room for it. If what this video showed me is true, then ...
... I guess CRWBY should write some fanfiction to get into their characters' heads.
YANG needs to see a therapist and I'm not talking to her about her problems.
I don't think any of us want to either
Weiss is the best character on this shit show
Incorrect. Neo is best girl.
@@MisteRRYouTuby wait until she starts speaking then we'll see
@@jackolantern6719 If they do that, she will effectively die as a character.
Mercury is the best character. Pyrrha would be the best girl if she was still alive, but right now that title goes either to Weiss or Neo.
@@MisteRRYouTuby second best
Yang had Abandonment Issues, but she got over them faster than her PTSD.
*looks at the title*
Answer: No. She doesn’t have abandonment issues...just the fact that in recent volumes, she herself abandons the most important people in her life...over to shipping. Thanks writers =w= b
Blake ran away while yang lost her arm, ruby left while yang was going through depression cause of her arm, raven, i have no words for now, who was there for her? Her father tai
I have abandonment issues. At no point has yang ever had the implication of having proper abandonment issues. Honestly, I imagine it's how someone with no concept of what anxiety disorders are even like and has made zero effort to understand them would write someone they might describe as having abandonment issues. Being sad that a parent left and wanting to meet up with them again, or being annoyed that a friend just up and dumped you, these are completely normal. They're not signs of repeated abandonment causing emotional imbalance they're completely mentally healthy responses to being abandoned here and there in cases where it happens. When all you've known your whole life is everyone you've ever grown a connection to suddenly dumping you particularly when there's noone else to help support, it really fucks you up. As a psychological problem it can manifest different ways of course, but it doesn't manifest as vague feelings of "I want to see my mom" and "blake get back here you dumb bitch". Not saying that one or two events can't cause abandonment issues, just that they didn't in yang based on how she behaves and how she feels about them.
Then of course the writers just dumped that entire aspect of her character when they might have actually had to pay it off.
Monty Era Yang: *Positive, Cheerful and Fun*
M & K Yang: *Whiny PTSD Daddy Issues Girl with a Green/Yellow coat of paint*
(sigh) Things were way more fun in V1-2 before all this edgy, tumblr-esque bullshit happened.
Amen.
I have abandonment issues because Blake left me.
@@MADMAN-sm3he 😿
It's awesome seeing more of your videos. I like how you are able to put these together and really go in depth with what you are talking about. Keep up the good work.
I also like the fact that you brought up Weiss having more of a reason to have abandonment issues than Yang. It made me realize like you said because they said it so many times I believed it.
To be fair most of us have abandoned this whole show.
Indeed.
Rooster teeth has abandonment issues, that's why they're so upset about the dwindling fanbase...
Let's just say that everyone in rwby is bipolar okay…
That...actually would explain a lot.
@@randomcenturion7264 like a whole lot
I like to imagine Blake is utterly delusional.
I love how ridiculous that conversation between Yang and Weiss was in Volume 5.
Yang: "I'm not going to stop being mad at Blake!"
Weiss: "When I was kid I had a hard life."
Yang: "Uh..."
Weiss: "My dad is a jerk and my mom's an alcoholic."
Yang: "Okay, but what does this have to do with-"
Weiss: "On my birthday my dad said he only married my mom for her money."
Yang: "..."
Weiss: "Anyways I'm sure Blake had to deal with something similar. Even though I don't know anything about her childhood or family life. You forgive her now?"
Yang: "Yeah okay."
Ah... Weiss' thesis was that everyone has their own issues that make it hard to connect to one another. This segwayed into her arguing that Blake's fear of the White Fang and being blames for the Fall of Beacon drove her away. The backstory was a little hamfisted, but it's amazing what a little context can do if you actually bother to include it.
Meanwhile, at the same time Blake's Menagerie arc is going on, and we've got visual evidence that no, Blake's family life was fucking sweet, she's rich, and her parents are simply delightful and all Blake's problems begin and end with Blake being an unjustifiably massive bitch.
Weiss, I like ya, but I'm watching the reality of it going on As You're Talking.
Keith and lotor from vld were better example abandonment issue not yang I like yang but the writing on the show is doing her wrong
The writing is doing everyone wrong unfortunately
and yet voltron failed dramatically in the end... i can't help to wonder what sort of dumpster fire RWBY is gonna become at the final season
Shinji Ikari from Evangelion is a great example of abandonment issues too, with how he has trouble forming meaningful bonds with people
@@MangoMagica Shinji and Asuka are the poster children for abandonment issues in two very different extremes, one is incredibly insecure about them-self and the other internalized that insecurity into depression.
It's been a long time, my little V shaped friend
Blake is still the worst in my eyes, my boyyo Sun deserves justice, I wish there was a universe where Yang x Sun was a thing, I mean a fun dude that won't leave you no matter what feels like a perfect fit for Yang
You can't be abandoned by someone you never. even knew.
To think there was a time when Yang was my favorite of the team back in the days of V 1-4. Now shes just kinda.. there to be honest
I'm doing a RWBY rewrite fix and your analysis of Yang's abandonment issues are a big inspiration for how I'm tweaking her personality.
_"I think that she held that grudge a little too long, too hard."_
Yeah, because having your friend abandon you after getting your fucking arm cut off is totally not an excuse to be mad at said person.
Yang's abandonment issues are as valid as her ptsd
I think who have big abandon problems is Whitley, Weiss never cared about him, Winter never talk with him in screen, his mother is drunk and his father an asshole.
He literally live alone in a big home.
And thats why i like Whitley, he never give a pity show like Weiss, just take it all like a chad and ended like mvp in S8.
Yang went from being my favorite character on early volumes to being annoying in the last volumes.
She has abandonment issues because the writers abandoned her character.
Yang is Archie in that Riverdale scene where he tells a drug dealer, who dropped out in the FOURTH GRADE, that he didn't understand the triumphs and defeats of High School football
I like riverdale but I have to admit that scene was so fucking stupid
More like her character development was abandoned lol
When you realize that Weiss and Blake have more abandonment issues than Yang does.
The partner dynamic was a mistake.
Honestly, I think Yang being pissed off with her whole team would have been a cool dynamic to explore and would have made the real reunion of team RWBY feel way more earned.
Yang was my favorite waifu and they ruined her 😭😭 they need to learn about consistency!! Between the on and off ptsd and the on and off abandonment issues, she's just terrible
Yes thank you for this Vid! She had the writers abandoned the main character development. She forgot about her super mom Summer rose. That hurt so much to see. She chases a low life that left her. She left ruby alone several times one big shock for me was the cellar with the grim. She chose the toxic yellow jacket ship over her own sister. She was written to do anything for her little sister but leaves ruby alone in fights a lot. Yang is the most violent character in the team and its not shown in any positive light.Weiss did have her own version of abandonment and its true everyone does. But Weiss does not let that control her. That's why Weiss is an amazing character
I wonder what Unicorn of War has to say about this
He'd probably called Vexed a homophobe before blocking him on Twitter
@@thefloofartist1908 Floof! Come back!
Uni would try to defend Bimbobee and say that Yang had to overcome these issues before seeing the light that is Blake.
@@MisteRRYouTuby "Bimbobee?" As a Emerald fan I approve of that name lol!.
She will use headcanon.
If yang x blake is suppose to be cannon then yang most like to be abused by some one whose like her real mom
Abandonment issues, that fail to be demonstrated at any time in the show, and also PTSD that was just magically dropped. Yang's writing is a mess, even in comparison to the rest of the show.
Well, I've concluded. My confusion about this character is more than justified.
I think you're overstating the case, but bring up a number of good points. There are some story beats in RWBY that don't have any set up, or any payoff, or neither. But there are other story beats that are just anemic, and would benefit from more screen time, and I think that's the case here.
First, let's assume she has abandonment issues: why would they focus on Blake and not on Weiss and Ruby? Well, it is feasible that reclaiming her role as Ruby's surrogate mother and protector is way more important to her psychological stability than persecuting Ruby as someone who abandoned her. I mean, Yang wants to be who she was: a fighter and Ruby's protector.
It's also less likely that she'd see Ruby as having the full agency to abandon her because Ruby has been in her care up until this point. I'm not saying she's right, Ruby did have agency and chose to leave, just that it's unlikely Yang would process it that way. Mother's get empty nest feelings, but the departure of their children rarely trigger full scale abandonment death spirals.
As for Weiss, I agree that it may have made for a stronger arc if she'd gotten mad at Weiss too. But it's also believable that any anger she had at Weiss would have dropped away in the intervening months or not formed at all since Weiss was the one she was least close to, and she knew Weiss didn't have a choice about leaving.
Who did have a choice AND gave absolutely no 'I want to save the world' explanations for leaving? Blake. Who was she close to? Blake. Who was her equal? Blake. Who was she romantically invested in even if they hadn't gotten their ish together (reading as of Volume 6)? Blake. Who did she lose her arm to protect? Blake? There's a lot that can be laid at Blake's feet, so if she's going to be mad at someone, it would be Blake. You could make it an even stronger arc by saying maybe she is mad at Ruby, but being mad at Ruby conflicts with her need to protect Ruby, so again, it all gets refocused to Blake. Now, that means we need/needed to have had them hash it out. I was legit mad when someone said Yang was mad at Blake too long...like, when was she mad at all?!
Anyway, now, again, this is me as an intelligent viewer adding in more depth to the outlines of these story elements given in the show, but I think the elements are there.
As for the second point that I thought was really strong: does she even have abandonment issues if she was raised in a loving family? I would say yes. Being raised by Tai only means that her abandonment issues aren't crippling, not that they don't exist. And I think that makes for a much more intriguing story because it means, when you sit and think about it, that Tai is a goddamn hero dad the likes of which are rarely depicted in our media. He managed to raise not one, but two emotionally stable and loving daughters out of the mess of one woman walking out and one woman dying, both in direct relation to an "unwinnable" war against monsters. His daughters are so stable in fact that they can, and regularly do, emotionally ground their more emotionally effed up partners.
Also, we do see Yang cling to relationships in the show (some waffling in Volume 1 aside). Yang very much gives the impression of, "if you're friends with me, you're a friend for life" vibe, which syncs with someone who does not want any of their relationships to end.
Now, again, all of these things needed more screen time, but I feel that's like, all of RWBY. Give me a 20 episode, 20 mn per episode season please. In lieu of that, like Celtic Phoenix and Unicorn of War, I'm working on a rewrite/adaptation into novel form to explore all of these things in more depth (and to have more black people! because we exist, and to have real racism because the racism in RWBY is...problematic). I really like your critiques, and if you had any time, I'd love to get your opinions on my work. But if you're like, "uh, I need a life," also cool. I'm loving your videos, both for their critiques and because they're hilarious, and look forward to more of them.
I agree with most of this. However, there is no strong indication that Blake and Yang are romantically involved. The show is doing more to push Black Sun than Bumblebee. Just because they're close friends doesn't mean they want to sleep together.
@@GameCat16 Bumblebee is under developed, but again, so are many things. That said, at this point, it is clearly their intention, so it was taken into account for this analysis.
@@cambriel8264 Well, consider this. Two people can be friends without wanting to bed each other. Also, we have had more shipping implications with Black Sun (them going on a date, flirting, Blake blushing, her mother shipping them, etc.). Just because Yang and Blake are close friends does not mean the show is trying to push them romantically. Apologies if I come off as strong here, but this is a pet peeve of mine for the Volume and its reception.
@@GameCat16 I guess we'll see in Volume 7. My bet is that they intend to develop the romantic relationship between Blake and Yang. As such, when thinking about how Yang's story arc would ideally be written, it was in a version where Bumblebee was ideally written as well. Again, I don't disagree with you that Bumblebee is underdeveloped. If you're going to do a romantic plot, you should be explicit about it especially if it involves two women or men precisely because we live in heteronormative societies that like to wave such relationships away as close friendships. So yeah, Bumblebee is underwritten, I just think that was a mistake that they're now trying to correct, similar to other plotting issues they are adressing as their writing gets stronger.
Yang does have abandonment issues.
They abandoned her characterization.
I love RWBY no matter what but I always love your analysis videos because it opens my eyes to the shows flaws! I hope you’ll do videos for volume 7!
If Volume 6 is any indication, he may be compelled to do so. Time will tell.
Calling it now, neither Yang nor Blake will do anything important for the rest of the series. Their entire role in the show will just be to be in a relationship with each other, which will just involve them smothering each other with affection. Weiss will soon follow, after the Atlas arc ends she also won't have anything left to do in the story. And Ruby never had any investment in the story.
Pretty much everyone but Oscar is irrelevant to the plot since it all just stems from Ozpin and Salem's relationship problems. None of the original main cast has any personal investment in the plot. They're just passively going along with it.
They're not in a relationship. That is a lie that has gone on too long. But I guess it proves VV's opening point; you repeat something enough and people will start to believe it.
Also, you seem to be ignoring the Silver Eyes and the fact that Salem fears them. That should be reason enough for Ruby to be a part of all of this.
@@GameCat16 Silver Eyes don't count as PERSONAL investment in the plot.
Wyatt Ewert also, where does it say that Salem is scared of silver eyes. We don’t even know if they can do anything against her
@@BabyGirlTiny That one crocodile/ alligator Faunus claimed she was hired to kill Maria because of her eyes, which only pose a threat to the Grimm. The Grimm are Salem's primary weapon aside from the humans/ Faunus she can manipulate.
Further, when discussing things with Cinder in Volume 5, she warned that Ruby could do great harm to her (suggesting that the Silver Eyes and the Maidens' powers don't agree too well).
It's not that she's directly afraid of them. She can't be, seeing as the point of her character is that she's absolutely indestructible. It's that she's concerned for the trouble that those eyes could cause for her plans.
@@GameCat16
Oh right those stupid Silver Eyes are a thing, speaking of being involved in the plot, am i the only one who realizes that technically no one in the main cast is helping to defeat Salem out of their own free will but rather because they don't have a choice?
Yang’s character has been consistently shafted: they dropped her PTSD subplot, failed to capture her “abandonment issues” and made her beef with Blake evaporate without talking it out.
The only purpose for yangs “Abandonment issues” was to push the bee ship.....
5:29 Wait Weiss left yang? 🤔But her dad picked her up and she was 17 at the time. I don’t think she had a choice in the matter. Unless she called her dad to pick her up but i don’t know. Plus I’m pretty sure her dad might have seen the television news saying how vale or beacon got attacked. He might not be the best father but he still holds some value towards his daughter. Kind of like Tywin Lannister and his impish son, Tyrion Lannister. He sees that he’s a midget but he kind of found him useful at times bcuz his son was the smartest and more clever than any of his other siblings, plus he also held the surname Lannister which made him even more valuable to Tywin. The only problem was he was a dwarf and was the cause of his wife’s death, that was it. Weiss holds the surname schnee and at the time she was still heiress to the company until vol 4. So when her dad comes to pick her up she’s not really leaving Yang, she’s just going with her dad bcuz unfortunately in this situation she was obligated to go unless she was 18. If for some reason he had not shown up, Weiss might have gone with yang but she felt as though she had to go back to atlas with her family. That’s just how I perceive it at least.
You're talking about someone who doesn't have psychological issues interfering with their rational thought, looking at the situation. Someone with a strong emotional hang up like abandonment issues, like Yang supposedly has, wouldn't have bonded so quickly with the other members of RWBY like she did without an entire arc to bond with them. The fact that they left her while she was at her lowest point, no matter the reason, should have sent any trust she had in them down the toilet and it would have been up to them to show her why trusting them was in any way a good idea.
RWBY has the worst case of show don't tell ever. So bad that the people behind the show have to tell you what you are supposed to think about the characters.
I don’t think anyone has abandonment issues.
I agree that Weiss is better evidence.
I feel as though I just took the red pill.
honestly i just ... volume 6 was a step forwards in many ways. I thank both the writers and the crew for giving me an enjoyable time. But honestly, blake and yang deserved a better reconciliation arc. When your friends leave you like that, it's hard to get over it. Scars are left. thank you again for your time and effort Vexed in making this.
Of course Yang has "abandonment issues", its just that the writers don't know idea what abandonment issues look like.
They’d like us to think that they are subtle in their writing, but this subtlety is inconsistent. Sometimes, there is a hint to something greater, but many times, it just leads to something lackluster. One example is the Faunus discrimination and how Adam’s branding would have worked if it were revealed outside of Blake’s conflict with Adam
I think it’s really just time to reboot RWBY, but I’m afraid that it will only get worse, what with new developments regarding Rooster Teeth staff as well as the loss of Vic
I used to argue that Yang doesn’t have abandonment issues because her character never showed any signs of it. Wanting to know what happened to raven isn’t abandonment issues and it was a fine thing for Yang to have. She had a family and even with Tai shutting himself down there’s no indication that Yang had a problem with people leaving her. Her entire character revolved around wanting to know raven and that’s it.
People claimed that Blake leaving and how Yang took it as evidence, but every time I brought up the fact that Ruby left and Yang didn’t care, people ignored it. When I brought up Weiss leaving and Yang not caring, people ignored it. But for some reason Yang values Blake more than literally anyone else and I’m supposed to believe that she has abandonment issues but towards this one person who she barely knows and this one person only? And to make matters worse, this character also had her terribly written issues that for some reason Yang couldn’t seem to grasp. Is it because Yang knows nothing about Blake at all and her anger doesn’t make any sense?
1.) Ruby spent time with Yang beforehand, is closer to a daughter than a mother or partner, and actually bothered to write Yang back, something that neither Blake nor Raven did.
2.) Yang told Ruby herself that Jacques took Weiss away, so she knows for a fact that Weiss had no power in the situation (especially since she was there when Weiss ranted about his abuse of her).
3.) Yang developed a closer bond to Blake than to Weiss, so the feelings hit harder. Yang and Weiss barely interacted beyond that one tag-team fight in Volume 3.
Wyatt Ewert Yang was still in a dark spot. It does not matter if ruby writer because in the end Yang still needed someone by her side and ruby left. It also makes Ruby’s whole entire scene about how she feels she abandoned Yang pointless.
2. It does not matter whether or not Yang knew why Weiss left, the fact is that Yang didn’t have her team. That’s like saying that Yang shouldn’t feel anything about summer dying because she knows death is a part of life and it was only a matter of time before summer was to die. It shouldn’t affect her now, but it still seemingly does. Unless yangs issues is only about raven and raven only and nothing else.
2, Yang is not closer to Blake than she is Weiss. They had one conversation in volume 2 and that was it. That’s Yang and Blake’s entire relationship. But because the show is forcing Yang to have a strong reaction towards Blake, I’m supposed to believe that they are close despite the show never developing them as friends besides that one scene in volume 2. It also goes to show that Blake and Yang weren’t that close where Yang would feel that Blake abandoned her, instead of seeing that Blake had things she also has to deal with the same way Yang does. It took weiss to tell yang that Blake didn't just up and leave because she wanted too and that maybe something more was going on. But Blake and Yang are so close
Does she? no. should she? yes. Yang just seems like you are told she suffers from a lot of things yet she is still the best and none of that suffering actually affects her at all. honestly she seems like the person with the least reason to be where she is, what is her drive? besides wanting to slap Blake's butt cheeks. You could say it's about her mum but that got shut down. Could be revenge against Adam but that is finished and not even due to her actively pursuing it. Last thing I can think of is protecting her sister but volume 6 showed she cares more about saving that pussy......cat than her sister
The awful mishandling of Yang's character in these last few Volumes is maybe the biggest example of RWBY's terrible writing. I love this show, and I have for a long tine, but the writing is just... so bad.
Completely agree to the points given in the video also regarding the nonsensical "PTSD" Yang has, I wish that instead of the PTSD that went nowhere, RT should have just given her a slight inferiority complex after the fall of beacon... It would've been more interesting in the narrative.
Watching the clips you put in this video makes the show feel like a daytime soap where it's all about the endless melodrama. Completely unsurprisingly and doubtlessly not a coincidence, it's mostly clips of volumes 4 & 5
Yeah, that's because he's deliberately ignoring all the drama from Volumes 1-2. LIke the bully arc, the love triangle between Jaune, Neptune, and Weiss, the racism dispute, the girls pitying themselves after their interview with their professor prompted an identity crisis, etc.
@@GameCat16 I try to blot the bully arc out of my mind also. I laughed so hard at "the love triangle between Jaune, Neptune and Weiss" like lmao oh yeah, they really did that huh.
When one of your favorite youtubers comes back strong!
Seriously, keep up the great analysis work Vexed!