@@EverTheFractal you're pretty much obligated to win the fight at that point because the other guy would be laughing at that for the rest of their life if they won.
In my oldest Skyrim playthrough I legit had a trophy room in my house, with objects infused with the souls of characters I didn't like all down the walls. How shitty the item they were stuck in was depended on how much they annoyed me in life.
yeah, like my Ancano underwear. Everytime I kill him, i reload the quicksave if I don't get a decapitation (I know you all read "decapitation" in Jack Black screaming voice)
I do find using the Frost fatality on Robocop morbidly hilarious since it's technically an upgrade for him. Atleast he's not constantly moving like he's unwillingly doing the robot at all times.
Slightly off-topic, but as someone who hasn't played the MK games, I have to ask : what is the point of putting people's brains in a cyborg, if you're going to remove their free will ? Why not just build a robot ? I guess this is the kind of game where you shouldn't really think about the plot logic, but still.
@@Darkprosper too late! you already thought about it! Honestly? It's never fully explained. Maybe the people who made the cyber ninjas just never figured out how to make proper AIs? Maybe it needs a soul as part of the machine some how? Also in some cases,, such as Frost, cyberization is voluntary. Yeah, dunno.
In fairness, Dishonored's "non-lethal" character assassinations are more poetic justice than merciful. They're all things that the targets have done to someone else.
Okay most of the time, yes. But Lady Boyle's wasn't poetic justice. In a revolution at most she deserves to die and that's it, she's done nothing to deserve that level of horror.
Lady Boyle non lethal method is actually quite favourable for her. Since Lord Brisby, actually goes missing at sea most likely due to her, and she inherits his wealth
@@arandomperson5434 Yeah but they only did that because of how disturbing it was in the first place. When you choose to do it, you don't have the benefit of hindsight.
@@ArkayjiyaHear me out: what if instead, the game had Corvo plant some sort of evidence implicating Lady Boyle in some crime, leading to her being arrested? That way she’s now broke, imprisoned, and possibly forced into prison work, all of which are probably worse than death for a rich person. Especially the work part.
Yes indeed! also, feels like that enemy was more smooshed to horrible grousome death than given a fate worse than eath lol. but stil lterrible Unless they mean 'the huddle' itseld (never knew it was called that) in which isn't really an enemy? lol
@@fluffyxai5065 I don't think there IS a good side in Inside. While we don't know the Huddles motives it clearly has no regrets murdering people (then again it was kept as a test subject *shrugs*) or you've got the people in the upper city...who do terrible things to anybody who isn't in the upper city. Only way out that doesn't involve someone being horrible to someone else is the secret ending and even that's freaking vague.
Not done to an enemy necessarily, but in "I have no mouth and i must scream" Literally everything except the most positive ending is a fate worse than death.
And even in the good end, all of the humans di- e except one of them, and that last survivor's mind takes over AM's "body" and they become the new AM... Forced to wait years, maybe even centuries, all alone, till the escape pods full of sleeping humans fall back to earth. Insanity guaranteed, especially if the survivor is Gorrister.
We cannot forget the fate of those who stand in Kirby's way when he decides to save planet popstar. Not only are they eaten by the equivalent of a black hole, but he absorbs their skills to beat up their former friends and colleagues. All while wearing their clothes.
@@ryan1000011 It's Kirby. He's probably eaten a whole ass planet in his endless, all-consuming hunger where everyone he eats can just. Continue living, though maybe not with all of their friends. Unfortunately, iirc that would mean Sectonia's there, so it's still not great.
Also the fate of everyone who happens to be standing between Kirby and a giant bird that's stealing food. You basically don't want to be anywhere near Kirby while he's awake.
actually getting eaten might be one of the only good ways kirby can kill you. cause supposedly enemies he's sucked in and eaten reappear somewhere else some time later, hence the whole dream part of dreamland. not sure where I heard this so take it with a grain of salt
Here’s one you missed: Soma. There’s a guy’s consciousness trapped in a robot. In order to progress, you have to flip a switch that continuously electrocutes him for all eternity as he screams in agony.
The ending to Inside was the biggest twists I have ever experienced in gaming (at least when it pertains to the protagonist.) Becoming part of a giant ball of flesh was NOT how I envisioned that game ending.
My favorite thing about the Dishonored nonlethal is that you can justify it out of spite, rather than a moral code. Oh, you're going to brand Corvo as a murderer and torture him for it? Well, he's just going to tear down your entire regime without killing anyone.
The thing is what u do to them is equal what they did to other people, except the chick that you give to her creepy stalker. My favorite is the heretic brand. The dude actually deserved it and his outcome is 100% his fault. He treat his people like shit and they returned the favor.
I love the poetic juctice/irony of the non-leathal options in the first Dishonored game. Each of them got what they had coming to them, maybe except Lady Boyle. Mostly because all she was, was the Lord Regient's output and his piggy bank, heck she even admits that she hates him and is only funding him for the welfare of her family. IIRC that is, it's been a while since I've played Dishonored.
Apparently someone somehow shamed an orc in middle earth so hard to level 0, he appeared LEVEL 40 IN A NEW GAME. And stayed in that new game LURKING. I think he was also unkillable as well. Now THAT is true terror
@@thecasul1524 I wish I knew. I know it’s out there, but I forgot what video it was (don’t try searching it, you won’t get the result. Also keep in mind this was a year ago, so don’t be surprised that I don’t remember it.)
@@thecasul1524 I actually was able to find it (don’t know why it didn’t send), but it was from an OddHeader video. I think it was 8 Creepiest Video Game Discoveries and Mysteries.
In "defence" of the Dishonoured non-lethal assassinations: the whole point of it was that Corvo would rather just kill these people, but if you take the non-lethal route that's supposed to represent him putting the stability of the Empire before his desire for revenge. Tl;Dr - Corvo is going out of his way to make these fates worse than death, because actually killing them would cause more problems than its worth.
I recall an article or essay about the fate of Corvo's targets when taking the nonlethal route, and it put forth the idea that Corvo didn't just want these people dead, they had to suffer for it.
@@marcobering3945 they had the person he loved assassinated, kidnapped his daughter and framed him for both. Honestly we should all be grateful the low chaos run is an option.
@@Allstar-yl1ek God non lethal takedowns are so boring though, I dont feel like buying and making the stupid sleep darts, and sneaking past everyone is so lame. Combat is one of the best parts of the game and I am to be punished for engaging in it?
In MK11, Raiden says “There are some fates worse than death…” right before he proceeds to cut off Shinnok’s head, and since Shinnok is an elder god and he can’t die to anyone below himself, like mortals, souls, gods, and demigods, he had to sit though the agonizing pain of his neck being separated from his body without death. Raiden then decided to ship Shinnok’s still alive head to the bone temple. You can even see his head in the background of the bone temple map.
In Dishonored's case, as a Serkonan native, Corvo Attano doesn't justify fates worse than death as better because they don't die; he justifies them as cruel and ironic justice as part of his vengeance.
The Flood from Halo is quite a horrifying way to go. Most of the time victims die upon transformation, but sometimes they’d still be alive, watching their bones and flesh being morphed into claws and tentacles, going mad from voices and feeling your skin burn and burst with sacs of flood spores. Even if a person gets their head cut off, their body will still be crushed and turned into factories for the parasite and biomass for the hive mind.
In the Halo book that runs parallel to the first game (can't remember the name of the book, if it even has any), there's a side character, a Marine, who gets turned into a human-combat form, but retains his consciousness (and some control) all the way until he's captured and chained by fellow Marines in the Truth and Reconciliation, as the other human survivors are highjacking it to try and return to Earth, led by a borderline-psychotic ODST officer. Canonically, this happens in the same time as Master Chief is also in the ship trying to get to Cpt. Keyes, but both him and Cortana are unaware of this plot. Long story short, poor guy can't control his body, only his facial expressions (somehow, his head and face remained mostly intact, recognizable), and a former friend of his helps him blow up the whole ship with everyone in it before take-off, after both realize the mad officer would be literally taking quite a number of Flood combat, carrier and infection forms, plus any number of spores, directly back to human-held territory, if not Earth itself. And all that without being able to utter a word, since his traquea and most of his respiratory system were at that point part of one of his whip-like appendages, most likely... As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it was Pvt. Jenkins, the same one that was with Cpt. Keyes when they first found the Flood.
@@mar71n32n0v1lLL0 *"In the Halo book that runs parallel to the first game (can't remember the name of the book, if it even has any)"* _HALO: The Flood_
Reminds me of the manga "I am a Hero". It had an excellent concept. However, like "Lost" TV series, it was just good at first, then it will shit in your mouth, and you will shit that shit, and make you eat your shit over and over again
It got its freedom, but died right after acheiving it. There's a theory that the boy was being CONTROLLED by the body mass the entire time, just for the sake of freeing the blob.
I actually found out you can spare the CEO guy in Inside by going back a bit and giving him time to move to the side before smashing through the window. You don't have to kill him if you don't want to.
The Wabbajack is its own category and should be on this video. You can turn a person into a sweetroll and it doesn't appear any different from the other sweetrolls in the inventory.
that entirely depends on if they are still concious or not. if its just an instant you don't exist scenario, it is arguably better than death, which could be incredibly painful. if it leaves the victim concious... well yea it would be awful.
I believe that Dishonored (first one) has amazing non-lethal options. You actually bring your enemies the “dishonor” they have brought onto you. And most of the time - it is fate worse than death. Especially when you send those fucked up twins into their own mines
I knew Dishonored would make it to this list. I watched the 3-ways to play on Oxbox (very old series now) and I remember Andy sounding genuinely disturbed at how he dispatched Lady Boyle "non-lethally".
The Lady Boyle option actually turns out to be a somewhat good ending, surprisingly. This was revealed in one of the books “Dishonored: The corroded Man” “Now a matter of public record, Lady Waverly Boyle was kidnapped by the obsessive Lord Brisby at the annual Boyle Masquerade of 1837. From there she was taken to Brisby's old family estate on a recluse island, unable to return to Dunwall due to being marked as a criminal. Brisby disappeared a few years later, a rumor speculating Waverly had arranged for his disappearance, though no one could find any evidence. She is still alive by 1851, supposedly doing quite well for herself with Brisby's family fortune.”
@@CaptainDecimus Well that sucks. The whole point of these alternate methods was so they'd suffer, proportionally or not, for what they've done. How is she suffering if she ends up "winning"?
The Lady Boyle "non-lethal elimination" was so controversial that I think one of the devs said she'd just manipulate her captor. I think we can guess why that one was considered worse compared to [checks notes] sending the Pendletons to a gang leader who will cut out their tongues and send them to their own mines as slaves to work them until they die.
All of those options are bad. But, the one with lady Boyle... I do consider that horrific on a different level. And, she didn't really have to do with the kidnapping of the Empress did she? She was just too close to someone who dod
Not only did they do that (and admit to having made a mistake in including it) but it was also made canon by the first Dishonored book. If memory serves, she basically made off with all his wealth and is living the good life in parts unknown, only unable to return to Dunwall because of being a wanted criminal due to her involvement with the Lord Regent.
@@LadyGameshine It's *even worse* if, like as happened to me, the game randomly picks Esma Boyle as your target. Using the Heart on the other two Boyle sisters shows them to be awful people, with one of them essentially being a covert serial killer, and the ruining people's livelihoods for giggles, and also little a murder as a treat. Esma Boyle, by contrast, shows no evidence of having done much of anything wrong. Naturally you can't be a moral person and have that much money, but nothing that sets her apart from any other party guest, save for funding the Lord Regent, an act she likely had little agency in given both the sexism in Dunwall, and power differential.
Frost fatality looks tame compared to Kronika's one. She proceeds to tear you apart, then reattached your body, and continues to tear and reattach you multiple times. If that doesn't look too bad, remember that she controls time. Which means she can do keep doing this for all eternity.
What about StarCraft infected Terrans, you get into a gross amalgamation of space bug and zombie controlled by a hive mind which forces you to become a suicide bomber
I like in doom 3, the implications of the soul cube, are that you are using their souls as an energy source. And you need 5 of them just to power it once.
Spoilers They also turn out to be parasites who want to be eaten. Eat enough during the ending and you fall apart into more snacks. All the while being coaxed by them to join
Speaking of Fallout series, don't forget Harold. Guy is already suffering, but you can make it worse in various ways, like acceleration, fire, and most mercifully, basic vanilla death.
In SWTOR, as a Bounty Hunter in Chapter 1, you are terrorized by this guy, Taro Blood, who's whole purpose is to be the best bounty hunter by throwing a bunch of other folks at you to slow you down and make your life miserable. When you catch up with him though, he's in prison. You can either release him, and duel him like an honorable Mandalorian, despite he's been unhonorable to a t up to this point. OOOOORRRRRR, you can leave him in the prison cell on the ship, set the ship's hyperdrive into overload, and not plot any directions, so the ship becomes a big singularity point as the entire ship is sucked into nothingness. This second option... that's the LIGHT SIDE choice. Some days it's good to be bad.
In the book "the pact of bakura" , they described how the empire experimented with mines dropped from hyperspace, but they never reappeared in normal space. At the end they catched the bad guy and send him off into hyperspace with damaged controls to become insane.
You guys should do a “7 Relationships you should’ve just let go” about characters whom you’re supposed to save but it’s too much hassle. Such as your girlfriend in Dead Space!
New Arrivals Intensive Care Course Correction Obliteration Imminent Lethal Devotion Environmental Hazard Into the Void Search and Rescue Dead on Arrival End of Days Alternate Solutions Dead Space
In my recent Skyrim game, I soul trapped Delphine, enchanted her soul on a silver circlet renaming it "Circle of Delphine" & then placed it in the Forgotten Vale.
Did you know that if you're reading this right now, you were actually frozen by Frost and your brain was removed and put into a cyborg to commit horrible atrocities, but you were programmed to think they were normal things, like driving your car or squishing spiders?
Non-lethal is a loose term in that game. Remember the very first non-lethal you do? Where you brand him as a heretic? Well, you can find him later in the game turned into one of those zombies
1) being a zombie: Half Life - You are sentient and in pain 2) turning hollow: Dark Souls - You slowly lose your sanity each time you die, until you are just a living husk devoid of humanity 3) turning into a tree and begging for death, while those around you worship you as a god: Fallout 3 (Harold - npc)
If you set set a zombie on fire in half life 2, it starts screaming. That's creepy in and of itself, but if you reverse the audio, it's actually screaming for help. So technically you're "saving" them.
I can think of a fate worse than death if you had the ability to de-age someone. You de-age them not to be a baby (or younger). Just de-age them to be a pre-adolescents child. To be forced to go through puberty again would be a fate worse than death. Maybe it might be tolerable if you can retain all of your experience and memories, but there would still be the issue of "companionship." If you were de-aged so you had the body of an 11 or 12 year old child, most people would not believe you were really middle aged, even if you behaved like you were middle aged. Most adults would just think you were very precocious and other kids would think you were really weird. Even if you managed to convince someone, perhaps a teacher, that you were really 42 not 12, that teacher is still not going to touch you. And if they would, would you want to be with them anyway? There was a Star Trek episode where the Captain and a few of the crew were de-aged by a transporter accident to the age they were just before they started puberty. The crew is examined medically and they are okay, aging normally for a person of that age. So if they can't find a way to return the crew members to their original age at least they could still lead normal lives. They would be adults stuck in the bodies of children, but those bodies would grow and age normally, so they wouldn't stay children forever. One of the de-aged crew members was married with a child, She returns home to her family and her daughter, who is 2 or 3 rejects her. Her husband puts the child to bed then joins his wife. She wants to be romantic but her husband freaks out at her advances. He knows this is his wife, and her mind is just the same, but the idea of making love to her in this state, it just wouldn't work.
I mean this is basically Batman's whole deal in the Arkham series. Bruce brutally breaks belligerent bad guys and leaves them to choose between crippling injuries or crippling medical debt. Often both. And in order to pay for those crippling medical bills they are forced to return to crime. I mean really, Batman refusing to kill in general is a fate worse than death. On all of Gotham.
@@iksskan9147 In some storylines, and Akrham Origins, Batman (As Bruce Wayne messanger) does offer the henchmens jobs to keep them out of the crime life.
To give him a little credit, it wouldn't matter, because the city is literally cursed to shit either way in the general canon. If he killed them, it would just open the doors for something potentially even worse to take their places.
@@chrizmerk756 tbh he should kill multiple people. If you leave gy hanging upside down for few hours he'll die. If you cut him off just letting him fall from few metres he'll probably die
I prefer their fates than death for those in Dishonored, almost all of them are 100% karmic justice. An corrupt inquisitor who wishes to brand anyone that will be a fate worse than death, gets branded himself. A slaving pair of twins become slaves themselves in their own mine. A noblewoman indulging in debauchery while every commoner suffers becomes the recieving end of someone else's And a corrupt politician who got you arrested in the first place for false accusations, gets the truth broadcasted in the entire country for them to hear and bring justice in their hands rather than yours.
What about the spirits of the masks in Majora's Mask? On top of dying horribly (impaled, drowned, turned into a sad tree) they're immortalised in creepy masks that a kid uses to turn into their lookalikes via a visibly painful transformation. The 'song of healing' is quite an ironic name when you think about it. Also, note the famous line: "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"
I saw a video about that. When he is asked that question, it might just imply that Link did not survive the fall, and he's going through the stages of grief. Glad to see that someone else noticed that.
the masks are not the spirits, but their pain. the song of healing soothes their anguish and grants them closure, allowing those spirits to move on. so the pain is "extracted" and forms into a mask. thats why i think the transformations look painful and the elegy statues look scary, because both are based on those embodiments of suffering. plus, link fulfills their dying wishes for them, so alls well :)
I really enjoyed all the "mercy" options for those awful traitors, many times I thought a bullet or my blade In their gut was better, but I wanted the intuitive good ending of not being a murder hobo my first playthrough XD
@@blindedjourneyman Some of them feel very much deserved, especially when you look at the person in question. There are certainly standouts that the retribution is harsher than they deserve. Lady Boyle, the inventor guy... Well, those are the only ones I remember going across that line. Being forced to work as slaves in your own slave mines, in the conditions you set for them? Brutal, but just deserts. The leader of a brutal and cruel religious organization (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong) being marked as a heretic of said organization and treated as those he was forced to be treated as such? Again, brutal, but just. Most I remember follow that thread of brutal but just.
One game: Sims. I used to do jail cells for my vampire characters so they could feed upon the captives. If they would turn a vampire, I would try befriend them, move them in with me and thus, do my bidding, aka becoming my slaves. What a great game to fulfill your twisted desires.
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the actual main villain of Dishonored 2, she’s legit trapped in a pocket dimension all alone for all eternity with no way to escape
The "happy ending" of SOMA basically put ME in an existentialist nightmare. Think about it... the few remnants of humanity, their personalities duplicated and trapped in a capsule, travelling through space, unable to change, develop, or affect reality in any way. Presumably unable to affect even their current environment either. Honestly, it makes Tranquility Lane seem like a paradise in comparison.
The whole point of the SOMA capsule was that it was a simulation, like tranquility lane. The plan was for them to wander the cosmos as kind of an eternal space cruise ship, running off solar power and playing in the simulation between finding weird space things to look at.
@@shotgunshells2 That's kinda my point. They're in a simulation. They know they're in a simulation. They can't affect the real world at all. They literally have the option to die if the simulation becomes too much for them, and it's not hard to imagine most people taking that option...
And on the other end- the identity that isnt copied and pasted into the simulation. All they can do is hope that their duplicate made it in, and now they are trapped in the real world, doomed to live until their brains can no longer function, unable to leave. Neither side has freedom.
@@H0lyMoley SOMA had the idea that they were hoping to find another world to live in.... but I don't think they actually had any way to make cloned people in the escape pod thingy. At best they could manufacture robot bodies like the ones you puppet control during the game.
"I mean, I was going to suggest being trapped in R. Kelly's basement. But yes, decapitation is also bad." - Vman, Mortal Kombat 11 - Story Mode on Very Hard (Full)
@@hell3quin864 You kinda did take that comment too seriously. Think of however millions of soul gems have been spawned in everyone's Skyrim games from November 11th, 2011 up to this very day, and the various random souls people have filled them with and popped into various enchantments. In the grand scheme of things, _you really need to drink some water._
Lore wise I’m certain that it’s incredibly dangerous to use a non grand or non sentient mortal soul with a black soul gem. It will actually try to start devouring yours. Black soul gems are not supposed to be good things lol.
@@briarrosegael2015 how do u find this lore? ...if you consider someone might be lost in the mists of sovengard just as long as stranded in the soul cairn, it doesnt sound so bad. also, the "fate worse than death" would depend on if "The Ideal Masters" are nice or not. any idea who they are? ...if i had to guess, something affiliated with Padomay, meaning the Psijic Order might know
Notice how they also put the brain and spine in backwards?- the cyborg ninjas might struggle to 'see' if the nerves are all the wrong way if this was real. So glad it isn't
Dragon Age Inquisition - when playing as a mage, you can sentence Magister Alexius to the Rite of Tranquility, a ritual which turns a mage into an emotionless husk regarded as more of a sentient tool than a person.
@@mullerpotgieter it definitely is evil. All I am saying is that the victims do not perceive it as a horrible fate. If I remember correctly, in origins one of the tranquils even says he would 'prefer to be alive'. So its not necessarily a fate worse than death, for the victim.
Yeah, this definitely would be my pick too. You're basically literally preventing a person from living any kind of meaningful life. and Re: the idea that some of them say they prefer it - they literally can't be trusted. Magister Alexius makes it pretty clear on his way out he'd prefer literally any other option, even if we assume after the fact he claims he'd prefer it - what you're talking to after that point it NOT the same Magister Alexius. Removing all emotions from a person categorically makes them not the same person anymore. It might be reductive to say this but a person's personality is almost entirely determined by how much weight they put upon the various emotions they and others experience, without that you'd unequivocally not be the same person.
What about sprouting in grim Fandango? Being pinned down in limbo for eternity with flowers growing out of your skeletal corpse while knowing you’ll never arrive at your destined resting place
@@swinelias huh. i never played the remastered version so i missed that little tidbit. i'll put it in my mental filing cabinet under "Creators retroactive headcanon due to realizing how awful the implications of the original actually was"
@@i0ushephf That retcon idea is actually a pretty good concept for a video... Although Grim Fandango's "sprouting = reincarnation" makes sense when you think about it being about the journey to your eternal reward. Being reborn and having to travel it again when you die next is more in line with the lore and concept of final rest than a straight existence wipe because some prick shot you.
That would be a little horrifying if they still have memories of being adult, contrasted with being stuck as a limp, useless baby for awhile but otherwise you just *extended* their life basically lol. If it's a being with a slow growing 5,000 year life cycle then it's pretty cruel maybe
@@shadowfirethesarcastic9517 Nice! I've always been a fan of making his murder my one free crime. "Oh, you think you're important? I just slaughtered you in the middle of the market in broad daylight and told the guards it's fine. Turns out you weren't so important after all."
GLaDOS in Portal 2. Where as you get to spend the majority of your time asleep between Portal and Portal 2 GLaDOS spends her time quite aware you "killed" her by reliving her "death" over and over again. Not sure if an AI can be bitter but she sure sounds like it when you meet again!!!
How about the confusing end of Gil Alexander in Bioshock 2. He begs you to kill his mutated sea-faring form but that gets you the bad ending. You have to leave his mindless form roaming in the ocean forever to be a 'good person'. Did anyone from that game work on Dishonored? I sense a theme.
Mutated Alexander is not mindless. Insane? Yeah but stable enough to not want to die and to beg for mercy. Ge also promised to never hurt anyone again if he is spared So killing him after that does kinda make you a bad person. Sure his past humane self prefers to die than to be such a mutant but he is now gone.
I'd say it's dependent on what all you do in game. I killed both Gil and Stanley, spared Grace and got a neutral/good ending. I think it's bases on what you do with the little sisters.
The most insidious (and least-discussed) aspect of a Dark Brotherhood contract is that the victim of such an assassination has their soul delivered to Sithis in the Void, thus depriving them of whatever destiny they had beforehand.
It's even worse in Elder Scrolls Online, as using the Blade of Woe on a contracted target actually completely disintegrates the target, leaving an echo of their soul back at the sanctuary.
Yeah but you do have to wonder what messed up thing a person does to get a contract from the Dark Brotherhood on them. They're religious zealots after all . It's not about the money or some creed with them. Unlike the posers in the Morang Tong who are just the Tribune's whores.
@@clothar23 what you did doesn't matter to them, if someone performs the black sacrament the dark brotherhood will kill whoever they want, no question asked.
@@miss_baphomet You clearly never have has anything to do with the Elder Scrolls. The Black Sacrament is a ritual designed to get both Sithis and the Night Mother's attention. And has nothing to do with the Dark Brotherhood's actions at large . And furthermore the Black Sacrament is no guarantee of action. If Sithis thinks you're not worthy than no assassin is going to be accepting your contract. The Listener after all isn't running the Dark Brotherhood . They're just the mouthpiece of the Night Mother's will. I havd no clue where you're getting the notion the Dark Brotherhood are merely a band of hired killers. Murder is a form of worship for them. Their duty and their passion to their Chosen God require it.
@@clothar23 you're wrong on many fronts. yes, they are religious fanatics. and they see responding to the sacrament as a religious duty. the black sacrament does guarantee a response as long as there is a listener for the night mother to speak to. I literally never implied that they were just hired killers.
I feel a like a fate worse than death we the gave to an enemy would have to be from Cult of the Lamb where after you defeat The One Who Waits, you can simply have them join your cult, and since The One Who Waits is a God it makes them immortal, and it means that they. can't. die. ever. but I mean hey at least you can marry them (although I don't know if they'd think that's much better)
speaking of fallout, there are ways you keep Mr House alive but without the ability to interact with anyone or anything. That in itself has to be terrible too.
How about in the game Hades? If you’re good at the game you kill Theseus over and over and over again in front of cheering crowds AND his friend the Bull. There’s no escape. He’s destined to die and watch his friend die again and again at your hands because he’s too proud to just let you through.
@@shotgunshells2 idk I definitely feel some “this guy isn’t all there anymore” vibes from him, and the only time he’s truly challenging after about half of your Darkness Mirror is filled is if you’re actively handicapping yourself with the Pact of Punishment
Not counting the soon-to-be deaths in mortal kombat but giving an honorable mention to trapping someone in a casino vault that usually immediately kills him.
Corvo is making non-lethal takedowns worse than death on purpose, he'd rather kill him but doing that makes more problems than it's worth, like the raising the chaos which is no good
Yeah.. All of them... Now that i think about it aside from diabella and maybe Talos depending who you ask, dont they all very much suck on their own ways?
"extreme cold, but not Frost cold" is probably the worst line I've ever heard someone say before a fight
It doesn't sound as threatening.
It's truly terrible. It would be one of those lines that if you said that irl you'd spend the next five years like "why did I say that"
@@EverTheFractal you're pretty much obligated to win the fight at that point because the other guy would be laughing at that for the rest of their life if they won.
@@einar_476 Given that it's Mortal Kombat, they'll be laughing the rest of their lives either way.
Edit: really bad typo.
@@bug5654 for a game all about fatalities it sure is hard to permenantly kill someone.
In my oldest Skyrim playthrough I legit had a trophy room in my house, with objects infused with the souls of characters I didn't like all down the walls. How shitty the item they were stuck in was depended on how much they annoyed me in life.
Tell me, was Nazeem among your collection
He was a member of my collection! my vaparic kajiit did not like him at all!! to be honest he was the first on ko'duls hit list
@@Exoduss-11105 excellent.
Imagine trying to mug a dude and he utters to himself "you are totally going in the common rock"
yeah, like my Ancano underwear. Everytime I kill him, i reload the quicksave if I don't get a decapitation (I know you all read "decapitation" in Jack Black screaming voice)
I do find using the Frost fatality on Robocop morbidly hilarious since it's technically an upgrade for him.
Atleast he's not constantly moving like he's unwillingly doing the robot at all times.
Also, if this is the same guy from RoboCop 2... he knows a few things about over-riding programming.
For someone who was made in Detroit being converted into a foreign model may still be a fate worse than death
Slightly off-topic, but as someone who hasn't played the MK games, I have to ask : what is the point of putting people's brains in a cyborg, if you're going to remove their free will ? Why not just build a robot ?
I guess this is the kind of game where you shouldn't really think about the plot logic, but still.
@@Darkprosper With how advanced the neural network is, maybe that's the only way to have it move correctly? Dunno, not an MK expert either.
@@Darkprosper too late! you already thought about it!
Honestly? It's never fully explained. Maybe the people who made the cyber ninjas just never figured out how to make proper AIs? Maybe it needs a soul as part of the machine some how?
Also in some cases,, such as Frost, cyberization is voluntary. Yeah, dunno.
In fairness, Dishonored's "non-lethal" character assassinations are more poetic justice than merciful. They're all things that the targets have done to someone else.
Oh that’s cool.
Okay most of the time, yes. But Lady Boyle's wasn't poetic justice. In a revolution at most she deserves to die and that's it, she's done nothing to deserve that level of horror.
Lady Boyle non lethal method is actually quite favourable for her. Since Lord Brisby, actually goes missing at sea most likely due to her, and she inherits his wealth
@@arandomperson5434 Yeah but they only did that because of how disturbing it was in the first place. When you choose to do it, you don't have the benefit of hindsight.
@@ArkayjiyaHear me out: what if instead, the game had Corvo plant some sort of evidence implicating Lady Boyle in some crime, leading to her being arrested? That way she’s now broke, imprisoned, and possibly forced into prison work, all of which are probably worse than death for a rich person. Especially the work part.
“David Cronenberg Katamari” is really the best discerption imaginable of the Huddle! Kudos to whomever wrote that line.
Yes indeed!
also, feels like that enemy was more smooshed to horrible grousome death than given a fate worse than eath lol. but stil lterrible
Unless they mean 'the huddle' itseld (never knew it was called that) in which isn't really an enemy? lol
And I'll never get that appetite back again.
Gruesome and poetic? 100% Andy wrote it.
Right??? I love it hehe
@@fluffyxai5065 I don't think there IS a good side in Inside. While we don't know the Huddles motives it clearly has no regrets murdering people (then again it was kept as a test subject *shrugs*) or you've got the people in the upper city...who do terrible things to anybody who isn't in the upper city. Only way out that doesn't involve someone being horrible to someone else is the secret ending and even that's freaking vague.
Not done to an enemy necessarily, but in "I have no mouth and i must scream"
Literally everything except the most positive ending is a fate worse than death.
More or less how the book ends. Absolutely terrifying.
And even in the good end, all of the humans di- e except one of them, and that last survivor's mind takes over AM's "body" and they become the new AM... Forced to wait years, maybe even centuries, all alone, till the escape pods full of sleeping humans fall back to earth. Insanity guaranteed, especially if the survivor is Gorrister.
We cannot forget the fate of those who stand in Kirby's way when he decides to save planet popstar. Not only are they eaten by the equivalent of a black hole, but he absorbs their skills to beat up their former friends and colleagues. All while wearing their clothes.
It's actually worse than that as kerby's stomach is a dimensional void where they still live until they likely die days later
@@ryan1000011 It's Kirby. He's probably eaten a whole ass planet in his endless, all-consuming hunger where everyone he eats can just. Continue living, though maybe not with all of their friends.
Unfortunately, iirc that would mean Sectonia's there, so it's still not great.
Also the fate of everyone who happens to be standing between Kirby and a giant bird that's stealing food. You basically don't want to be anywhere near Kirby while he's awake.
actually getting eaten might be one of the only good ways kirby can kill you. cause supposedly enemies he's sucked in and eaten reappear somewhere else some time later, hence the whole dream part of dreamland. not sure where I heard this so take it with a grain of salt
Spoilers...
Laughs in Haltmann's deleted soul.
Here’s one you missed: Soma. There’s a guy’s consciousness trapped in a robot. In order to progress, you have to flip a switch that continuously electrocutes him for all eternity as he screams in agony.
you can turn off the electric and still progress
@@neidhartmuller8804 man, I bet he's gonna be real upset when he realizes he just left the guy to eternal torment instead of going back to free him
Or hell even the conclusion where the main character get stuck at the bottom of the ocean as a robot alone while youre copy gets to enjoy himself
@@RedsHitpostMedia what game is this?
@@eldritchcupcakes3195 soma
Can’t forget Halo and The Flood.
It’s extremely painful physically, but also mentally as the flood rips out anything useful from your mind
Oof, the Captain Keyes POV cutscene in MCC. Never forget.
@@akilumanga If you read the books, Jenkins (the marine who's helmet Chief finds in Halo CE) was also just as bad (if not worse) than Keys' fate.
@NullLex00 But didn't the precursors ARE the flood?
@@IkeFanBoy64 yeah the flood is the corrupted dust of the precursors that survived the forerunner rebellion
This is horrifying fates worse than death the PLAYER can inflict. That said... there is that one level you team up with the Flood.
The ending to Inside was the biggest twists I have ever experienced in gaming (at least when it pertains to the protagonist.) Becoming part of a giant ball of flesh was NOT how I envisioned that game ending.
My favorite thing about the Dishonored nonlethal is that you can justify it out of spite, rather than a moral code. Oh, you're going to brand Corvo as a murderer and torture him for it? Well, he's just going to tear down your entire regime without killing anyone.
Gonna wish he was a murderer before he's done with you.
@@Torvaun Ya gonna wish ya were right.
The thing is what u do to them is equal what they did to other people, except the chick that you give to her creepy stalker. My favorite is the heretic brand. The dude actually deserved it and his outcome is 100% his fault. He treat his people like shit and they returned the favor.
I love the poetic juctice/irony of the non-leathal options in the first Dishonored game. Each of them got what they had coming to them, maybe except Lady Boyle. Mostly because all she was, was the Lord Regient's output and his piggy bank, heck she even admits that she hates him and is only funding him for the welfare of her family. IIRC that is, it's been a while since I've played Dishonored.
Also important that the game has a chaos system instead of a moral system.
Just because an option causes less chaos doesn't necessarily make it moral
Apparently someone somehow shamed an orc in middle earth so hard to level 0, he appeared LEVEL 40 IN A NEW GAME. And stayed in that new game LURKING. I think he was also unkillable as well. Now THAT is true terror
Source? I'm not doubting, just wanna see the story for myself
@@thecasul1524 I wish I knew. I know it’s out there, but I forgot what video it was (don’t try searching it, you won’t get the result. Also keep in mind this was a year ago, so don’t be surprised that I don’t remember it.)
@@ShockInazuma
Oh, yeah this comment is old, didn't realize.
Well it makes sense that you don't remember
@@thecasul1524 I actually was able to find it (don’t know why it didn’t send), but it was from an OddHeader video. I think it was 8 Creepiest Video Game Discoveries and Mysteries.
In "defence" of the Dishonoured non-lethal assassinations: the whole point of it was that Corvo would rather just kill these people, but if you take the non-lethal route that's supposed to represent him putting the stability of the Empire before his desire for revenge.
Tl;Dr - Corvo is going out of his way to make these fates worse than death, because actually killing them would cause more problems than its worth.
I recall an article or essay about the fate of Corvo's targets when taking the nonlethal route, and it put forth the idea that Corvo didn't just want these people dead, they had to suffer for it.
@@marcobering3945 they had the person he loved assassinated, kidnapped his daughter and framed him for both. Honestly we should all be grateful the low chaos run is an option.
I chose all the non lethal options and still got the bad ending
@@TheRoachMan21 Stabbing the guards in the face doesn't count as non-lethal.
@@Allstar-yl1ek God non lethal takedowns are so boring though, I dont feel like buying and making the stupid sleep darts, and sneaking past everyone is so lame. Combat is one of the best parts of the game and I am to be punished for engaging in it?
In MK11, Raiden says “There are some fates worse than death…” right before he proceeds to cut off Shinnok’s head, and since Shinnok is an elder god and he can’t die to anyone below himself, like mortals, souls, gods, and demigods, he had to sit though the agonizing pain of his neck being separated from his body without death. Raiden then decided to ship Shinnok’s still alive head to the bone temple. You can even see his head in the background of the bone temple map.
I coulda sworn that was MK10, and I've beaten MK10
He said it in both
“David Cronenberg Katamari” is my new favorite phrase.
The word combination that both would never have occurred to me in a million years and yet is 100% perfection in its descriptiveness.
@@patrickmccurry1563 exactly!
I prefer "gross sentient fleshy balls"
In Dishonored's case, as a Serkonan native, Corvo Attano doesn't justify fates worse than death as better because they don't die; he justifies them as cruel and ironic justice as part of his vengeance.
I cant help but think that 'sadistic vault tech scientist' is something of a tautology.
Really, it's in the job description, isn't it? Or at least a requirement in the hiring listing, right?
Tautology huh? Thanks for the word... I'll take it :)
@@Belforhir Equally so, lol.
Not at all. It's a pleonasm.
@@FlushGorgon Apparently you are quite correct. And I learnt a new word! Always fun.
The Flood from Halo is quite a horrifying way to go. Most of the time victims die upon transformation, but sometimes they’d still be alive, watching their bones and flesh being morphed into claws and tentacles, going mad from voices and feeling your skin burn and burst with sacs of flood spores. Even if a person gets their head cut off, their body will still be crushed and turned into factories for the parasite and biomass for the hive mind.
😰
Same as the fungus from the last of us
In the Halo book that runs parallel to the first game (can't remember the name of the book, if it even has any), there's a side character, a Marine, who gets turned into a human-combat form, but retains his consciousness (and some control) all the way until he's captured and chained by fellow Marines in the Truth and Reconciliation, as the other human survivors are highjacking it to try and return to Earth, led by a borderline-psychotic ODST officer. Canonically, this happens in the same time as Master Chief is also in the ship trying to get to Cpt. Keyes, but both him and Cortana are unaware of this plot.
Long story short, poor guy can't control his body, only his facial expressions (somehow, his head and face remained mostly intact, recognizable), and a former friend of his helps him blow up the whole ship with everyone in it before take-off, after both realize the mad officer would be literally taking quite a number of Flood combat, carrier and infection forms, plus any number of spores, directly back to human-held territory, if not Earth itself. And all that without being able to utter a word, since his traquea and most of his respiratory system were at that point part of one of his whip-like appendages, most likely...
As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it was Pvt. Jenkins, the same one that was with Cpt. Keyes when they first found the Flood.
@@mar71n32n0v1lLL0 *"In the Halo book that runs parallel to the first game (can't remember the name of the book, if it even has any)"*
_HALO: The Flood_
The ending sequence of Inside is still one of the weirdest moments I've played in a videogame
Really need to finish Inside at some point xD
To be honest, the whole "Inside" was one of the weirdest (western) games I ever played. I barely made it through just how much gore there was...
And tragically pointless, if you think about it much.
Reminds me of the manga "I am a Hero". It had an excellent concept. However, like "Lost" TV series, it was just good at first, then it will shit in your mouth, and you will shit that shit, and make you eat your shit over and over again
It got its freedom, but died right after acheiving it. There's a theory that the boy was being CONTROLLED by the body mass the entire time, just for the sake of freeing the blob.
I actually found out you can spare the CEO guy in Inside by going back a bit and giving him time to move to the side before smashing through the window. You don't have to kill him if you don't want to.
Dont know why you wouldnt after everything he put that kid through lol
Eat The Rich.
@@glasscardproductions4736 they don't taste good, they're solid nickel from all that money
@@hilariousskullnamedcatzo647
Ah, right.
Well, maybe defenestration was the right idea.
Frost: "I will restore the *Honor* of the Lin Kuei!"
Also Frost: *generally being the least honorable Lin Kuei ever.*
Ya but didn't Sub Zero kill Skorpion's family? Lin Kuei are just cold.
@@user-xz9fw6lk3p Still more honorable than Frost! XD
@The Spell Alchemist oh, knew I shouldn't have skipped MK history klass >~>
Frost becomes the grandmaster and what she says goes.
@The Spell Alchemist got the best non-traditional MK game out of that story, as well
The Wabbajack is its own category and should be on this video. You can turn a person into a sweetroll and it doesn't appear any different from the other sweetrolls in the inventory.
Isn't that a fate exactly the same as death?
@@totalvoid6234 maybe they are conscious sweetrolls.
@@andycruzatx3387 Definitely wouldn't put it past Sheogorath (Or really any daedric prince for that matter)
that entirely depends on if they are still concious or not. if its just an instant you don't exist scenario, it is arguably better than death, which could be incredibly painful. if it leaves the victim concious... well yea it would be awful.
Wolfenstein: how many times must BJ die before he is allowed to die.
Dude literally got decapitated and is still being forced to live in a nano suit.
oh no, he has to punch kkk, shoot nazis, and blow up dictatorships. what a horrid life.
-_-
@@whitetailprince i’d say being stuck in a never ending war is a fucking nightmare, and that man can’t even escape it by literally dying lmao
reminds me of a character in several books named Buckley who keeps suffering terrible fates.
like being turned into an AI in a HAND-HELD computer.
@@whitetailprince lmao liblarp harder
@@whitetailprince that is an incredibly narrow minded view lol.
I love that when you put Frost vs Frost in some instances they start quoting lyrics from let it go to each other 😂
C'mon Andy, you had "Jaxophone" sitting right there.
booo! booo111... boo!
:p
what a waste
Epic Jax Guy
Smooth Jax.
I believe that Dishonored (first one) has amazing non-lethal options. You actually bring your enemies the “dishonor” they have brought onto you. And most of the time - it is fate worse than death. Especially when you send those fucked up twins into their own mines
If you brand Campbell, you find him later as a plague weeper at the bottom of the oil refinery where your weapons are located. Very poetic.
I knew Dishonored would make it to this list. I watched the 3-ways to play on Oxbox (very old series now) and I remember Andy sounding genuinely disturbed at how he dispatched Lady Boyle "non-lethally".
I'm disturbed just from watching it in this video. Wtf.
Dishonered is such a good series for blurring morals.
The Lady Boyle option actually turns out to be a somewhat good ending, surprisingly. This was revealed in one of the books “Dishonored: The corroded Man”
“Now a matter of public record, Lady Waverly Boyle was kidnapped by the obsessive Lord Brisby at the annual Boyle Masquerade of 1837. From there she was taken to Brisby's old family estate on a recluse island, unable to return to Dunwall due to being marked as a criminal. Brisby disappeared a few years later, a rumor speculating Waverly had arranged for his disappearance, though no one could find any evidence. She is still alive by 1851, supposedly doing quite well for herself with Brisby's family fortune.”
@@CaptainDecimus Well that sucks. The whole point of these alternate methods was so they'd suffer, proportionally or not, for what they've done. How is she suffering if she ends up "winning"?
@@dave_the_slick8584 Trauma? "Win" or not that sounds like the sort of thing that would give her mental problems years down the line.
All of the "non-lethal, non-chaotic" options in Dishonored are almost always worse and more chaotic.
The Lady Boyle "non-lethal elimination" was so controversial that I think one of the devs said she'd just manipulate her captor.
I think we can guess why that one was considered worse compared to [checks notes] sending the Pendletons to a gang leader who will cut out their tongues and send them to their own mines as slaves to work them until they die.
All of those options are bad. But, the one with lady Boyle... I do consider that horrific on a different level. And, she didn't really have to do with the kidnapping of the Empress did she? She was just too close to someone who dod
@@LadyGameshine She lent her political influence and financial aid
Not only did they do that (and admit to having made a mistake in including it) but it was also made canon by the first Dishonored book. If memory serves, she basically made off with all his wealth and is living the good life in parts unknown, only unable to return to Dunwall because of being a wanted criminal due to her involvement with the Lord Regent.
@@LadyGameshine It's *even worse* if, like as happened to me, the game randomly picks Esma Boyle as your target. Using the Heart on the other two Boyle sisters shows them to be awful people, with one of them essentially being a covert serial killer, and the ruining people's livelihoods for giggles, and also little a murder as a treat. Esma Boyle, by contrast, shows no evidence of having done much of anything wrong. Naturally you can't be a moral person and have that much money, but nothing that sets her apart from any other party guest, save for funding the Lord Regent, an act she likely had little agency in given both the sexism in Dunwall, and power differential.
@@Mankoi1701 sooo giving custody of a manipulative shrew to a guy who wants to be appreciated? I foresee no problems with this decision. :p
0:10 That dude is never having kids every again
Um, actually, you ment to say “ever” I can’t believe you would make such a blunder.🤓
Mostly because he’s dead
*Season 4 Homelander*: "Hold my milk"
"i'm the hero cause i didn't k1ll"
"but this is worse"
"well the achievment said i'm good"
Frost fatality looks tame compared to Kronika's one. She proceeds to tear you apart, then reattached your body, and continues to tear and reattach you multiple times.
If that doesn't look too bad, remember that she controls time. Which means she can do keep doing this for all eternity.
In my defense, Cyrax was having a mental breakdown and wanted to die when he realized he was a robot.
What about StarCraft infected Terrans, you get into a gross amalgamation of space bug and zombie controlled by a hive mind which forces you to become a suicide bomber
I like in doom 3, the implications of the soul cube, are that you are using their souls as an energy source. And you need 5 of them just to power it once.
How about bug snacks? You are actively encouraged to mutate you compatriots into horrible food beasts.
Spoilers
They also turn out to be parasites who want to be eaten. Eat enough during the ending and you fall apart into more snacks. All the while being coaxed by them to join
Game?
@@agent-xqj3733 bugsnax
bUnGer?
What?? I thought bugsnax was a kids game. That's kind of awesome, in a The Thing sort of way
Speaking of Fallout series, don't forget Harold. Guy is already suffering, but you can make it worse in various ways, like acceleration, fire, and most mercifully, basic vanilla death.
In SWTOR, as a Bounty Hunter in Chapter 1, you are terrorized by this guy, Taro Blood, who's whole purpose is to be the best bounty hunter by throwing a bunch of other folks at you to slow you down and make your life miserable. When you catch up with him though, he's in prison. You can either release him, and duel him like an honorable Mandalorian, despite he's been unhonorable to a t up to this point. OOOOORRRRRR, you can leave him in the prison cell on the ship, set the ship's hyperdrive into overload, and not plot any directions, so the ship becomes a big singularity point as the entire ship is sucked into nothingness.
This second option... that's the LIGHT SIDE choice. Some days it's good to be bad.
Yeahhh swtor was....odd with what they considered light/dark choices
In the book "the pact of bakura" , they described how the empire experimented with mines dropped from hyperspace, but they never reappeared in normal space.
At the end they catched the bad guy and send him off into hyperspace with damaged controls to become insane.
'Sentient Fleshy Balls: is nothing I ever wanted to hear in my entire life
You guys should do a “7 Relationships you should’ve just let go” about characters whom you’re supposed to save but it’s too much hassle. Such as your girlfriend in Dead Space!
New Arrivals
Intensive Care
Course Correction
Obliteration Imminent
Lethal Devotion
Environmental Hazard
Into the Void
Search and Rescue
Dead on Arrival
End of Days
Alternate Solutions
Dead Space
@@RoninXDarknight damn right
Chloe from life is strange
The parent/child relationship in fallout 4. Screw Shaun, another settlement needs my help
mia from resident evil 7. at some point you gotta put your own life above the girl who CUT OFF YOUR HAND and tried to murder you.
In my recent Skyrim game, I soul trapped Delphine, enchanted her soul on a silver circlet renaming it "Circle of Delphine" & then placed it in the Forgotten Vale.
That Frost intro of the head and spine bits is basically a shoutout to Star Trek First Contact when we first meet the Borg Queen.
Did you know that if you're reading this right now, you were actually frozen by Frost and your brain was removed and put into a cyborg to commit horrible atrocities, but you were programmed to think they were normal things, like driving your car or squishing spiders?
I was going to say, if Dishonored wasn't on this list I was going to be very upset. I did all the non-lethal boss endings, and they were pretty rough.
Non-lethal is a loose term in that game. Remember the very first non-lethal you do? Where you brand him as a heretic? Well, you can find him later in the game turned into one of those zombies
Dishonored had a lot of great options, but the mind wipe was such a beautifully poetic punishment.
1) being a zombie: Half Life - You are sentient and in pain
2) turning hollow: Dark Souls - You slowly lose your sanity each time you die, until you are just a living husk devoid of humanity
3) turning into a tree and begging for death, while those around you worship you as a god: Fallout 3 (Harold - npc)
None of them are directly inflicted by you, though.
@@SentiNel090 oh right, the whole time I didn't realize it was "You Gave Your Unlucky Enemies" -.-
The second one is accurate to what happens when you play dark souls.
If you set set a zombie on fire in half life 2, it starts screaming. That's creepy in and of itself, but if you reverse the audio, it's actually screaming for help. So technically you're "saving" them.
@@ireneparkin3360 but they are still conscious the whole time, and being burned is extremely painful
Frost: turns people into mindless robots that do evil against their own will
Quan chi: am I a joke to you?
Shinnok:
@@Mineskipper1 Mimir from god of war:
Side note: skinnok can also make revenants so that too
I have a feeling Todd Howard is a very passive aggressive person.
Yeah
Yes, he was in the chess club.
@@GinkgoPete Who's laughing now ?
I can think of a fate worse than death if you had the ability to de-age someone. You de-age them not to be a baby (or younger). Just de-age them to be a pre-adolescents child.
To be forced to go through puberty again would be a fate worse than death.
Maybe it might be tolerable if you can retain all of your experience and memories, but there would still be the issue of "companionship."
If you were de-aged so you had the body of an 11 or 12 year old child, most people would not believe you were really middle aged, even if you behaved like you were middle aged. Most adults would just think you were very precocious and other kids would think you were really weird.
Even if you managed to convince someone, perhaps a teacher, that you were really 42 not 12, that teacher is still not going to touch you. And if they would, would you want to be with them anyway?
There was a Star Trek episode where the Captain and a few of the crew were de-aged by a transporter accident to the age they were just before they started puberty. The crew is examined medically and they are okay, aging normally for a person of that age. So if they can't find a way to return the crew members to their original age at least they could still lead normal lives. They would be adults stuck in the bodies of children, but those bodies would grow and age normally, so they wouldn't stay children forever.
One of the de-aged crew members was married with a child, She returns home to her family and her daughter, who is 2 or 3 rejects her. Her husband puts the child to bed then joins his wife.
She wants to be romantic but her husband freaks out at her advances. He knows this is his wife, and her mind is just the same, but the idea of making love to her in this state, it just wouldn't work.
I mean this is basically Batman's whole deal in the Arkham series. Bruce brutally breaks belligerent bad guys and leaves them to choose between crippling injuries or crippling medical debt. Often both. And in order to pay for those crippling medical bills they are forced to return to crime.
I mean really, Batman refusing to kill in general is a fate worse than death. On all of Gotham.
Iirc he funds most of the henchmens medical bills and gives them jobs.
@@iksskan9147 In some storylines, and Akrham Origins, Batman (As Bruce Wayne messanger) does offer the henchmens jobs to keep them out of the crime life.
Batman: (breaks every bone in a guy's body then leaves him knocked out and face down in a puddle) I don't kill. it's like, my one rule
To give him a little credit, it wouldn't matter, because the city is literally cursed to shit either way in the general canon. If he killed them, it would just open the doors for something potentially even worse to take their places.
@@chrizmerk756 tbh he should kill multiple people. If you leave gy hanging upside down for few hours he'll die. If you cut him off just letting him fall from few metres he'll probably die
1:02 Looks like your body is coming along, too.
"Times you gave your enemy a fate worse than death."
Ahhh, you mean everything I did to everybody in both Dishonered, and Dishonered 2. 💁
I prefer their fates than death for those in Dishonored, almost all of them are 100% karmic justice.
An corrupt inquisitor who wishes to brand anyone that will be a fate worse than death, gets branded himself.
A slaving pair of twins become slaves themselves in their own mine.
A noblewoman indulging in debauchery while every commoner suffers becomes the recieving end of someone else's
And a corrupt politician who got you arrested in the first place for false accusations, gets the truth broadcasted in the entire country for them to hear and bring justice in their hands rather than yours.
@@Quadrolithium Don't forget, the inquisitor also got turned into one of those zombies
Except that one target in the time rift manor in Dishonored 2. You can make his life better.
@@vegas3352 same thing with the alchemist in that game
and everything i did in deathloop. wait no they just loop tomorrow.
Honestly..being a cyborg ninja sounds fucking awesome
What about the spirits of the masks in Majora's Mask? On top of dying horribly (impaled, drowned, turned into a sad tree) they're immortalised in creepy masks that a kid uses to turn into their lookalikes via a visibly painful transformation. The 'song of healing' is quite an ironic name when you think about it.
Also, note the famous line: "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"
I saw a video about that. When he is asked that question, it might just imply that Link did not survive the fall, and he's going through the stages of grief.
Glad to see that someone else noticed that.
the masks are not the spirits, but their pain. the song of healing soothes their anguish and grants them closure, allowing those spirits to move on. so the pain is "extracted" and forms into a mask. thats why i think the transformations look painful and the elegy statues look scary, because both are based on those embodiments of suffering.
plus, link fulfills their dying wishes for them, so alls well :)
@@gwennorthcutt421 Oh that actually makes a lot of sense. Plus a really nice thought!
I thought the song put their actual souls at rest, while the mask is just the stuff they left behind
They aren’t the mask themselves
11:58 you can hear him struggling as he tries to escape, so he may still be sentient as this happens.
Dishonored.
That's it. That's just it's own list.
I really enjoyed all the "mercy" options for those awful traitors, many times I thought a bullet or my blade In their gut was better, but I wanted the intuitive good ending of not being a murder hobo my first playthrough XD
@@blindedjourneyman Some of them feel very much deserved, especially when you look at the person in question. There are certainly standouts that the retribution is harsher than they deserve. Lady Boyle, the inventor guy... Well, those are the only ones I remember going across that line.
Being forced to work as slaves in your own slave mines, in the conditions you set for them? Brutal, but just deserts. The leader of a brutal and cruel religious organization (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong) being marked as a heretic of said organization and treated as those he was forced to be treated as such? Again, brutal, but just. Most I remember follow that thread of brutal but just.
If only modern punishments are like this.
@@stevenn1940 I agree. Karmic in fact.
It’s called “dishonored” for a reason
One game: Sims. I used to do jail cells for my vampire characters so they could feed upon the captives. If they would turn a vampire, I would try befriend them, move them in with me and thus, do my bidding, aka becoming my slaves. What a great game to fulfill your twisted desires.
Sounds a lot like Dio Brando
@@4k8s that guy must be Dio Brando, because there's no way a normal person would do that, only Dio!
Hahahaha I laughed out loud when Andy said “Like a David Cronenberg, Katamari.”
I'm sure most of us did. I'm just glad I didn't wake my sleeping GF with the sudden laugh. lol quite literally.
And now I want a game based entirely on this premise.
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the actual main villain of Dishonored 2, she’s legit trapped in a pocket dimension all alone for all eternity with no way to escape
I was so much happier before I knew the Huddle existed, and I wasn't very happy.
After seeing Frost's entrance animation I am questioning my 'preferences'
The "happy ending" of SOMA basically put ME in an existentialist nightmare. Think about it... the few remnants of humanity, their personalities duplicated and trapped in a capsule, travelling through space, unable to change, develop, or affect reality in any way. Presumably unable to affect even their current environment either. Honestly, it makes Tranquility Lane seem like a paradise in comparison.
The whole point of the SOMA capsule was that it was a simulation, like tranquility lane. The plan was for them to wander the cosmos as kind of an eternal space cruise ship, running off solar power and playing in the simulation between finding weird space things to look at.
@@shotgunshells2 That's kinda my point. They're in a simulation. They know they're in a simulation. They can't affect the real world at all. They literally have the option to die if the simulation becomes too much for them, and it's not hard to imagine most people taking that option...
And on the other end- the identity that isnt copied and pasted into the simulation. All they can do is hope that their duplicate made it in, and now they are trapped in the real world, doomed to live until their brains can no longer function, unable to leave. Neither side has freedom.
@@H0lyMoley SOMA had the idea that they were hoping to find another world to live in.... but I don't think they actually had any way to make cloned people in the escape pod thingy. At best they could manufacture robot bodies like the ones you puppet control during the game.
SOMA overall felt dark, even in the good ending. It never felt like you did the right thing.
"I mean, I was going to suggest being trapped in R. Kelly's basement. But yes, decapitation is also bad."
- Vman, Mortal Kombat 11 - Story Mode on Very Hard (Full)
That would count as a sewer-level cos of all the urine you'd experience
Oh my god yall wasted a Black Soul Gem on a petty soul. Now yall have given ME a fate worse than death
Seriously? It'
@@hell3quin864
You kinda did take that comment too seriously.
Think of however millions of soul gems have been spawned in everyone's Skyrim games from November 11th, 2011 up to this very day, and the various random souls people have filled them with and popped into various enchantments.
In the grand scheme of things, _you really need to drink some water._
@@hell3quin864 One of us is definitely having a stroke
Lore wise I’m certain that it’s incredibly dangerous to use a non grand or non sentient mortal soul with a black soul gem. It will actually try to start devouring yours. Black soul gems are not supposed to be good things lol.
@@briarrosegael2015 how do u find this lore? ...if you consider someone might be lost in the mists of sovengard just as long as stranded in the soul cairn, it doesnt sound so bad. also, the "fate worse than death" would depend on if "The Ideal Masters" are nice or not. any idea who they are? ...if i had to guess, something affiliated with Padomay, meaning the Psijic Order might know
Notice how they also put the brain and spine in backwards?- the cyborg ninjas might struggle to 'see' if the nerves are all the wrong way if this was real. So glad it isn't
when you think about the dishonored series it could of easily just filled this list by itself
I don’t know how he didn’t mention having the triplet guys tongues cut out and forcing them to work in a mine for the rest of their lives
Ah yes, good old days when I've been a bunch of growing cells, what a good times to remember
This is going to be a huge change for Robocop.
7:09 did he just say give me some lamps 😂
Lumps
Dragon Age Inquisition - when playing as a mage, you can sentence Magister Alexius to the Rite of Tranquility, a ritual which turns a mage into an emotionless husk regarded as more of a sentient tool than a person.
the tranquil do not hate what they become though. Some even prefer it.
@@muzzers2776 Some - but both tranquil we've seen regain their minds would rather die than be made tranquil again.
@@muzzers2776 I think effectively stripping a being of its sentience is pretty evil
@@mullerpotgieter it definitely is evil. All I am saying is that the victims do not perceive it as a horrible fate. If I remember correctly, in origins one of the tranquils even says he would 'prefer to be alive'. So its not necessarily a fate worse than death, for the victim.
Yeah, this definitely would be my pick too. You're basically literally preventing a person from living any kind of meaningful life. and Re: the idea that some of them say they prefer it - they literally can't be trusted. Magister Alexius makes it pretty clear on his way out he'd prefer literally any other option, even if we assume after the fact he claims he'd prefer it - what you're talking to after that point it NOT the same Magister Alexius. Removing all emotions from a person categorically makes them not the same person anymore. It might be reductive to say this but a person's personality is almost entirely determined by how much weight they put upon the various emotions they and others experience, without that you'd unequivocally not be the same person.
And then there’s Porky from Earthbound going in the Absolute Safety capsule.
What about sprouting in grim Fandango?
Being pinned down in limbo for eternity with flowers growing out of your skeletal corpse while knowing you’ll never arrive at your destined resting place
If I remember right, Tim Schafer in the remastered version has revealed that those who had been sprouted reincarnate in the living world.
@@swinelias huh. i never played the remastered version so i missed that little tidbit. i'll put it in my mental filing cabinet under "Creators retroactive headcanon due to realizing how awful the implications of the original actually was"
@@i0ushephf And _I'm_ going to assume they reincarnate without their memories, however much difference that makes.
@@i0ushephf
That retcon idea is actually a pretty good concept for a video...
Although Grim Fandango's "sprouting = reincarnation" makes sense when you think about it being about the journey to your eternal reward.
Being reborn and having to travel it again when you die next is more in line with the lore and concept of final rest than a straight existence wipe because some prick shot you.
“I’m gonna give you some lumps, lumps, some lumpy lumpy bumps!”
Best line I’ve ever heard.
The "Babality"s from Mortal Kombat, where instead of killing your opponent, you somehow revert them back to infancy
That would be a little horrifying if they still have memories of being adult, contrasted with being stuck as a limp, useless baby for awhile but otherwise you just *extended* their life basically lol.
If it's a being with a slow growing 5,000 year life cycle then it's pretty cruel maybe
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Welp.
Looks like day just broke.
SCP 001 when day breaks
When I saw Skyrim on here, I thought it would be the Wabbajack for sure! Imagine being turned into a sweetroll... *shudder*
Yeah, you're bound to be robbed from or stepped on by some protagonist.
I turned Nazeem into a sweet roll and fed him to my daughter once...
@@shadowfirethesarcastic9517 Nice! I've always been a fan of making his murder my one free crime. "Oh, you think you're important? I just slaughtered you in the middle of the market in broad daylight and told the guards it's fine. Turns out you weren't so important after all."
a fate worse than death is living on this miserable planet.
GLaDOS in Portal 2. Where as you get to spend the majority of your time asleep between Portal and Portal 2 GLaDOS spends her time quite aware you "killed" her by reliving her "death" over and over again. Not sure if an AI can be bitter but she sure sounds like it when you meet again!!!
And then, through your efforts, she gets transplanted into a potato.
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Me in GTA 5: ok sure so the whole of Los Santos is bad
3:33, I love that you can hear them Screaming after becoming a Cyborg.
8 months late but its not screaming everytime you do a fatality that aaaaaaaa sound starts in the end
@@player70477 Awh, that made it a whole lot less awesome :(
Mono perpetually being betrayed by Six and tuned into the Thin Man in Little Nightmares 2 would fit nicely in this list
Yeah and then stuck in a time loop where you are continuously killed by YOURSELF. it’s gotta be worse than death
How about the confusing end of Gil Alexander in Bioshock 2. He begs you to kill his mutated sea-faring form but that gets you the bad ending. You have to leave his mindless form roaming in the ocean forever to be a 'good person'. Did anyone from that game work on Dishonored? I sense a theme.
Mutated Alexander is not mindless. Insane? Yeah but stable enough to not want to die and to beg for mercy.
Ge also promised to never hurt anyone again if he is spared
So killing him after that does kinda make you a bad person.
Sure his past humane self prefers to die than to be such a mutant but he is now gone.
that was actually a bug, putting gil out of his misery was supposed to be the good action
@@miss_baphomet where did you get that info?
I'd say it's dependent on what all you do in game. I killed both Gil and Stanley, spared Grace and got a neutral/good ending. I think it's bases on what you do with the little sisters.
Though I do gotta admit, killing Gil Alexander does seem far better than leaving him as whatever he became.
“Let’s you fuck around with the ravenges of time”
Me: hold up did I hear that right?
See Andy it would have been kinder to kill your enemies in Dishonored you monster Mike had the right idea :)
I never thought throwing a highly explosive battery at someone would be considered a mercy, but here we are
andy is evil unlike mike our hero.
@@ddjsoyenby All hail the merciful Mike.
The only non-lethal kill i made was the branding mark. I figured in his case he deserved worse than sudden death.
I missread this title so hard. I thought this was an instructional video on 7 ways fates worse than death to give your unlucky enemies
The most insidious (and least-discussed) aspect of a Dark Brotherhood contract is that the victim of such an assassination has their soul delivered to Sithis in the Void, thus depriving them of whatever destiny they had beforehand.
It's even worse in Elder Scrolls Online, as using the Blade of Woe on a contracted target actually completely disintegrates the target, leaving an echo of their soul back at the sanctuary.
Yeah but you do have to wonder what messed up thing a person does to get a contract from the Dark Brotherhood on them.
They're religious zealots after all . It's not about the money or some creed with them. Unlike the posers in the Morang Tong who are just the Tribune's whores.
@@clothar23 what you did doesn't matter to them, if someone performs the black sacrament the dark brotherhood will kill whoever they want, no question asked.
@@miss_baphomet You clearly never have has anything to do with the Elder Scrolls.
The Black Sacrament is a ritual designed to get both Sithis and the Night Mother's attention.
And has nothing to do with the Dark Brotherhood's actions at large . And furthermore the Black Sacrament is no guarantee of action.
If Sithis thinks you're not worthy than no assassin is going to be accepting your contract.
The Listener after all isn't running the Dark Brotherhood . They're just the mouthpiece of the Night Mother's will.
I havd no clue where you're getting the notion the Dark Brotherhood are merely a band of hired killers.
Murder is a form of worship for them. Their duty and their passion to their Chosen God require it.
@@clothar23 you're wrong on many fronts.
yes, they are religious fanatics. and they see responding to the sacrament as a religious duty.
the black sacrament does guarantee a response as long as there is a listener for the night mother to speak to.
I literally never implied that they were just hired killers.
Omg, "David Cronenburg Katamari" that's the funniest thing I've ever heard
"It's your fort! You can have it! I want nothing to do with the fort! Alright? its your fort!!!" The rise and fall of Bruz The Chopper.
And don't get me started about if you break Baz and Gaz. Can't say anything of Daz, because he's unbreakable
I feel a like a fate worse than death we the gave to an enemy would have to be from Cult of the Lamb where after you defeat The One Who Waits, you can simply have them join your cult, and since The One Who Waits is a God it makes them immortal, and it means that they. can't. die. ever. but I mean hey at least you can marry them (although I don't know if they'd think that's much better)
speaking of fallout, there are ways you keep Mr House alive but without the ability to interact with anyone or anything. That in itself has to be terrible too.
Putting the guy that shot you in the brainbox on a cross.
Yes this need to be it the second part, that to me is truly a fate worse than death.
I like your Picrew.
"No, don't wipe my mind, think of all the things I could make"
Okay, then it's death
"I have no mouth. And I must scream."
"Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I've begun to live."
People in every Todd Howard's game: being trapped forever in some hell
Todd Howard: *WhO's LaUgHinG NoW*
How about in the game Hades?
If you’re good at the game you kill Theseus over and over and over again in front of cheering crowds AND his friend the Bull.
There’s no escape.
He’s destined to die and watch his friend die again and again at your hands because he’s too proud to just let you through.
I mean, he’s already dead, so...
And yet, that's still not quite the fate he _deserves._
It's his choice though. He could step aside any time he wanted. Besides, in my playthroughs, Thesus gives as good as he gets.
@@shotgunshells2 idk I definitely feel some “this guy isn’t all there anymore” vibes from him, and the only time he’s truly challenging after about half of your Darkness Mirror is filled is if you’re actively handicapping yourself with the Pact of Punishment
Sounds like a Greek/Roman hero
Not counting the soon-to-be deaths in mortal kombat but giving an honorable mention to trapping someone in a casino vault that usually immediately kills him.
Shinnok in literally every fatality should be this. I don’t even need to explain.
Finally playing the dishonered for the first time, and yeah I'm definitely rethinking my choice of non lethal.
Corvo is making non-lethal takedowns worse than death on purpose, he'd rather kill him but doing that makes more problems than it's worth, like the raising the chaos which is no good
The plague is spread by corpses. Non-lethal is still worth considering. :-)
When I saw the image for the TH-cam channel, I thought it was Duolingo for a second
"Just pick one they're all good" Lmao
Yeah.. All of them... Now that i think about it aside from diabella and maybe Talos depending who you ask, dont they all very much suck on their own ways?
@@illansuu9572 Why those? Also, are we forgetting about the daedric princes?
Yay inside is on the list finally
My fav vid game
There are collectibles too in hidden locations like with limbo
And if u wait u can save the c e o
Sorry about the spoilers. I was excited about seeing it, 2years ago.
"What are your orders Master Pain?"
"You shall now refer to me as... Betty!"
You should have done Porky from mother 3 as he gets trapped in a Absolutely safe unbreakable capsule where he can't die or leave.