Perfect - I have an 18i20 and added a Behringer ADA8200 - this was super easy. The only thing I did different was set the digital input to 'Dual ADAT' in the Focusrite Control software. The other options were SPDIF, so I figured that was wrong. I am running Reaper as well, but the inputs came across as Digital 1-8 (the manual for the 18i20 showed them as 3-10). Tested it - worked great! Glad it wasn't offset too. Thanks dude - you really helped me out. And I bought the ADA8200 from Sweetwater too!
You gotta love Sweetwater! That is about $3000 of gear... You deserve it, you do a really good job of clarifying the ever expanding world of audio gear and technology.
Cost them $500 bucks the rest is profit I think we need to start making these things ourselves…This knowledge Has been keep secret for a reason because sound is bigger than you know. If brings power beyond our imagination
Your audience might be interested to learn that not all "clocks" are the same. My pal (Amateur Music Studio" was having problems with his setup and so we put my oscilloscope onto the clock signal derived from his Apollo I/F. We then compared the signal with a dedicated pro-audio clock device and were shocked at the difference in signal quality. Switching all the gear over to the dedicated audio clock stopped the audio artifacts in his productions.
Topic suggestion: I'd really like to see an thorough tutorial on connecting a pair of 18i20 interfaces via ADAT and/or SPDIF, and how to set up Focusrite Control for multiple monitors/headphone mixes. Bonus points for explaining how I managed to push the right buttons to keep live mics out of my playback. Thanks!
1:16 “All it does, is allows me to use a higher sample rate… ➡️ if needed” ⬅️ To me that was all the juice in learning and understanding the difference between 1 ADAT cable (limiting the capacity of my interface) vs 4 (matching the max capacity of my interface). Brilliant info expertly put together and presented! 🙏
I gave it another try but the second interface only has adat in and is software controlled via Firewire, no hardware settings for the sample rate. I will look out for another interface that has adat out… Next time I know how to connect it and activate the connection!
Man I can't tell you how many times I've needed this, and always forget what's what, due to lack of use over the years. Cause when you learn about something 20 years prior to actually using it 1 time over said 20 years, your recollection might be sub-par! More content like this is needed, and appreciated!
This video was so unintriguing when I first saw it until I bought a 18i20 yesterday and realized I only had 8 inputs on the unit 😅 and then I also realized I can have Windows and other software output to Playback 1+2 and DAW outputting to 3+4 and have much better control over the two volumes. Thanks for this. It’ll be a couple of months before I can burn more money on the extra external 8 inputs 😂
Kyle, your tutorials always come at the right time! I was looking for a video as clear and educational as this one! Thanks for these kind of videos, they help me learn a lot!
Since I am still using a PCI Interface (Delta 1010lt), I was wondering if there will be any benefits whatsoever of ever using the S/PDI in & Out inputs. But judging from this video, I think I can safely assume that the ability to connect additional headphones could be a good reason for me to one day invest in a device such as this ADAT piece of gear. This channel is indeed a University to me, many thanks for great videos as per usual.
Great, another thing you can do with either optical or coaxial digital outputs is to just expand the amount of channels so you can mix and monitor surround sound. Maybe you have a small interface with only 4 outputs you can use the digital outputs to add an extra 2 or 4 outputs and mix 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound this way.
IF the smaller interface even has a digital out. Most of them do not. For 5.1 and 7.1 surround output, the Scarlett 18i20 3rd Gen is the best budget interface.
@@andynonimuss6298 Yeah and they are actually losing the digital OUTs, most manufacturers are really not including them anymore in the smaller interfaces this makes me sad, I'm using an M-AUDIO Fast track C400 (x4 analog OUTs + x2 Digital OUTs and also INs), for ages now and I love the layout of this interface and all other tabletop M-AUDIO interfaces with the large and easy to access knob on top and level indicators and XLRs on the back as I have a permanent MIC that don't need to be ocuppying the quicker and easier to use conenctions in the front. Plus I only use front INPUTs for instruments nonetheless, I really wanted to upgrade but the only ones with the digital out or the amount of channels are either rackmounts or don't have the XLRs on the back so I'm still keeping it untill it breaks down or stop working, fortunately the ageing W10 drivers are working on W11, that was my biggest fear.
I own an RME AIO PRO computer interface with 8 channel output capabilities. But because the onboard chip can't process the surround audio I need something that can handle the Aio Pro's ADAT output. RME emailed me and suggested using their ADI-8 DS Mk III which is like $2200.00. A pretty penny and I'm sure it's absolutely freaking perfect but I'll definitely look into trying this cranborne first. So helpful man. Thank you!
@@Jonathan-ff4wo But this Cranborne is almost as much as the ADI-8 DS, and it also needs some 500 module pre-amps if you'd want to use the inputs (which would add to the cost). There are much cheaper options if you only need the outputs. The Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 used in this video for example. The MOTU 8 Pre is a slightly better one. If you want to stick to RME (which is what I prefer) the Fireface 802 should be fine, and the cheapest RME option. With any of these options you could just ditch the AIO Pro, but I would still connect them through ADAT as the clocking and converters in the AIO Pro are better than pretty much anything.
Thanks - this is useful. I am going to use the Scarlett OctoPre to add eight more inputs to my 18i20 3rd gen. Per Focusrite support (excellent) the OctoPre preamps match my 18i20 so no reason to spend more for the Clarett. I want all 16 preamps to match. Hopefully I will be able to configure the 18i20 control panel so that it sees the eight new inputs. I have an eight channel rig with splitter and cables - so I will have a new rack case with the Octopre and another splitter. I wonder if once I have all sixteen inputs set up for 16 track recording, that if I record a small gig where eight inputs is sufficient, can I just leave the new expansion rig at home and my DAW will ignore the unconnected eight inputs from the OctoPre or will I have to set the configuration back to it's original setting...
Hi there! Great video and channel, congrats and thanks for all the wonderful content. I still have a doubt on this subject though, so I'd really appreciate it if you could please provide some additional guidance. I was trying to connect via ADAT an audient id44 interface with an id14 (both MKI), only to expand my analog I/O. As the id14 just have an optical input, I understand this has to be the master device and the one connected to my computer via USB. If this is the case, is there any way to monitor my DAW output through the headphone outputs of the id44 (slave) instead of the id14 (master)? The reason is pretty simple: id44 has 2 headphone outputs while id14 has only 1. On the other hand, is it possible to use the three headphone outputs from both interfaces combined for the same purpose? Thanks a lot for your help!!
Great tutorial! It would be also really good to show us how to connect monitore control, I want to connect analogue preamp Warm Audio 73 to Clarett+ OctoPre. I would use Clarett+ OctoPre just as an AD/DA converter. But none of these two equipment has monitor or headphones control. And another question, do I need world clock if I connect analogue preamp to Clarett+ Octo Pre. Thank you!
Thx for your extreme explanation, however I did not get the full understanding if I have have an audio interface in my case is Apollo Twin USB routed into analogue WA73 EQ how will expand my in/out in this case. Regads
Hi I'm having a bit of a problem. I running Clarett 8pre with a FR Octopre Mk II not the Dynamic version. So my connection is correct which there's only one way of connecting. Clarett only has one in one out, the October has two outs no in. When set to ADAT I get no sound, when I switch to internal I get static. I'm so confused about this whole thing that seems so simple.
Only if your device has separate ADAT connections. Be careful when shopping though, because some interfaces (like the Scarlett 18i20) will have dual ADAT for higher sample rates between 2 devices. Other devices will have multiple ADAT connections for use with multiple devices.
This is a wonderful endorsement for something like a MOTU 24 i/o. What could be easier? You hook up 1- 24 i/o and you instantly have 24 ins and out TRS connections. No need for setting clocks etc. I wish audio interface manufacturers would get back to something easy like that. The equipment demoed in this video is really confusing.
@@Cautionary-Tales-Band and THAT is the issue for me. I got 4-24i/o break out boxes and they needed nothing else to have 96 TRS inputs. No special cables at all...no extra ADAT i/o's etc. They work well with Cubase and theyve been problem free.
@@thisbusinessofmusic1276 Sure, but you can't use them as integrated I/O for 500-series modules, they don't have summing, etc. There's a lot of "Swiss army knife" utility in the Cranborne that a simpler setup like yours doesn't have. ADAT is slightly fiddly to set up, but it allows a very flexible unit like the Cranborne to jack into pretty much any studio config.
@@Cautionary-Tales-Band dont use nor do I plan to use 500 series modules. Again....this ADAT stuff if far too complicated and far more expensive to switch to than the 96 in/out setup I already have running. Also, it isnt gonna make me any more money in my place to switch to something like the system in the video and have to lose time setting it up and figuring it out. I have long since lost the need to chase shiny objects. Your mileage may vary. Have a good day.
What do I need if I want to send the sound to multiple power amplifiers using balanced xlr outlet if I only have two outlet for left & right at the source?
I feel like I’m the only one that’s having a difficult time sending adat from my 500r8 to another interface. I have the sample rate the same in the interface, pro tools, and 500r8 and I have the clock set to internal on the 500r8 and set to optical 1 on the interface. No matter what I do it will not pass signal through adat.
Great video as always, been following since last month when I found the channel. Quick question, audient id24 only has click out. That means it can only control the other device, correct? In this case with the id24, is it a better clock than the cranborne or should I look for a better device with better clocking capabilities to either control or receive? Thanks in advance.
The Cranborne clock is extremely good. The Audient clock is also great. But in any case, you’ll find that most clocking in modern gear is very stable. So just be sure that there is one master clock that everything else follows. Which device you choose matters less than you might think.
Would it be possible to run long distance optical cable runs? For example 70 or 100 feet? I have a Clarett 2pre with optical in. I would like to extend the number of preamps with Focusrite Scarlett OctoPre to additional 8 inputs(preamps) but I would like for the OctoPre to be in the attic about 70 or 100 feet away from my Clarett 2pre...
Forgive me if this is a dummy question and just works off of the same principal. Say if i want to route several bits of outboard effects like mic pre's, a bus compressor, a culture vulture and several synthesizers all into an audio interface without having to plug anything in or out every time I wanted to use something optionally, would I be able to just daisy/signal chain everything how I want it to permanently be and then route it into the interface directly and it would all work cohesively ? OR, Would i need a patch bay with enough inputs and outputs routed into an audio interface ?
Does anybody here know where I can get a copy of the Focusrite Control Center software? It is not listed on the Focusrite website anymore. Thanks for your help. 🙂
Thank you for the video, I have two focusrite saffire pro 40. One doesn't connect to the computer, I guess the FireWire ports are dead. Is it possible to use it(the one that doesn't connect to my computer just as a mic preamp and use the one that is able to connect as the primary clock? I'll appreciate your feedback Thank you!
This is possible! The challenge may be configuring the IO routing through ADAT without connection to the computer. I haven’t used the Saffire series, so I’m not sure how it is done.
Hi would like to know about the old vintage grundig bakelite condenser microphone what is the difference between modern (dynamic or condenser) microphone and this old one
I have both of these interfaces and I’m having trouble getting the Scarlett to accept the audio from the cranborne. I want the Scarlett to be the main interface. I have the output Adat running into the Scarlett. I have it at 4400 sample rate but the Scarlett interface isn’t catching the audio coming out of the r8 can you please help I thought I solved this issue before but I’m having issues again
Great info!!! Do you know how to connect Burl B2 Bomber ADC to Apollo 6x for tracking? I'm using using a Neumann 103 into bae 1073 preamp MacBook pro m1 Cubase 12 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hello, How would I daisy chain 3 interfaces?? Im using a focusrite 1st gen and its a slave to the UMC1820. Connected via ADAT. Now, my question is, I bought a ADA8200 because I want to leave my drums and synths ready to record all the time so I need more than 16 channels. Can I link the ADA to the UMC1820, that is linked to the FR 18i20???? do I need both ADAT cables connected from the UMC to the FR? if I leave as it is, I have no free ADAT in and out! How can I work around this!? I see no one asking this on other forums or comments. Im at a loss. It seems people are not connecting more than 2 interfaces or not needing more than 16 inputs or they spend 3k on an interface, which I cant do. How do I get what I have to get me to 24 inputs!? I was looking at some RME products and came across the RME Digiface USB which seems to be what would work for me? but its 400$......f**** that.............
Can any body help me on this ? I am Investing on Good Interface so I am Currently User Of focusrite 18i20 2nd gen and I am upgrading to the " prime sound Lyra 2 " which has Brilliant AD/DAs But lyra 2 is not cheap and is really expensive , but It has only Two IN and Outs , So It is something i really worried about because , I am also Going to Outboard Gears with Interface upgrade , Before it i have Done every mix ITB . So this year I am Also will invest on Mastering Grade Gears such as SSL Fusion or Thinking to Get Summing mixer. i know Lyra 2 isn't good choice for outboard gears But what about Using ADAT expansion because my Focusrite has one too Also both has worldclock . so if i EXpand my Lyra 2 ( master ) with focusrite ( Slave ) & connectiong outboard gears with my focusrite ? & keep my monitor speakers connected with the Lyra 2 to hear from Great DAs of Lyra . is it good choice ? i hope it will Bypass The CHeap AD/DA of focusrite and i only utilize the quality AD/DAs of Prism Lyra , Or i am going to hurt the quality of Lyra with such setup , sorry if this setup sounds stupid , actually just stepping in Analogue . i don't want to spend more on titan , becuase i want to buy outboard gear as well with it. ( also please don't suggest me get room treatment and great Pair Of Monitors first before going analogue , i have good room and good monitors , if i want to use analogue i just want to,thats how i will learn. lol )
This setup is similar to what I currently have in my studio. I have my RME UCX II as my interface, with monitors connected to its outputs for best DA conversion. I’ve got access to 8 ins and 8 outs on the 18i20 through ADAT. When I use the IO on the 18i20, the Focusrite converters are used. I don’t see this as a huge problem though, especially because they are following the clock in the RME. Works well for me.
@@AudioUniversity thankyou for clarifying , If you have Experience on The Prism Audio as well , would share your thoughts on it ? like how much difference You feel in the converters ? because in Similar price of Lyra 2 i am getting UFX II As well which has Good number of IN and OUTs , because i can use outboard gears easily with UFX II but again , Prism Audio Has SO far Better AD/DA than RME , unluckily , i do not have any chance to test the demo of both brands and i can only buy online , so internet is only my guide here.
I don’t have experience with Prism Audio stuff, personally. I’ve heard great things, but that goes without saying. The difference in converters seems to get more and more subtle as things get more and more expensive. I’d say this: going with the RME UFX II will give you excellent converters on more channels, even if the Prism gives you even better conversion on fewer channels.
Nice video. How do you think the A/D converters on the new Focusrite Clarett 8 pre+ compare to the Cranbourne converters? Do you think it’s worth it to do this same set up, but instead use the new Clarett?
I haven't tried the Focusrite Clarett series yet. If you'll get more use out of the Clarett than using it as an A-to-D converter, then I think it will be worth it. That's what I like about the 500ADAT (and the Clarett 8 pre+, in your case) - they're so versatile. I don't think it is worth it just for the A/D conversion upgrade, alone. But you'll certainly get more out of the Clarett than just the upgraded converters! Good luck, Rob. Let me know if you end up trying it out! Thanks for watching.
wait, what? adat only supports 8 channels? I've been looking at the Evo 16 from audient and they state that the interface features 24 i/o. so 8 i/o channels on the interface and 16 i/o expandable channels via adat?
It looks like the 2 ADAT input ports on the EVO 16 can operate independently, allowing for 16 channels. Pretty cool! Thanks for pointing that out, Fredrik!
I'm using a scarlett octopre into a scarlett 18i20, recording into reaper. Adat out of octopre is into adat in on 18i20, I have focusrite control set to adat clock source, sample rate 48khz (same as octopre), the octopre sync is set to internal, digital I/O is set to dual adat, but I cannot get anything to record. I noticed that when I switched the focusrite control clock source to adat, the sync light at the top of the window turned red, which I'm guessing means it's no long synced. What am I missing?
I'm a little confused. I know the adat500 you can also bypass the 500 slot and still use it but you've also said now that you have to have a preamp for it.
@@AudioUniversity so if I was just using the scarlet like you are there and the adat500 I could still utilize the adats 8 mic inputs and record them without preamps in the 500 or the optico?
You can use the 8 channels however you’d like, either with analog or ADAT. The analog ins and outs of the Scarlett can be used at the same time (if the Scarlett is your interface).
Some devices have ADAT inputs (like the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. That allows you to convert the digital signal to analog outputs that could feed your mixer.
@@AudioUniversity great thanks.. tell me how do I set that up because I have the apogee symphony .. I go out to from the from my symphony to 18i20 then into my Mackie mixer then back into my symphony?????
Hey hey, I added an octopre to my focusrite 18i20 (18i20 is my main interface). finally got focusrite controls to see an adat signal. However, i'm not seeing any adat track/input whilst in garage band. all I see is inputs 9-20. nothing resembles adat. Any clues? Thanks!
Inputs 9-20 are the ADAT, SPDIF, and Talkback inputs, I believe. If you’re not seeing signal, try connecting to the secondary 18i20 via USB to ensure the inputs are correctly routed in Focusrite Control. I had to open up the manual to get it working, as it is sort of complicated.
@@AudioUniversity thanks man. I don't have an second 18i20. I have the main interface which is an 18i20 and my adat is my octopre. I can see adat signal via the channel within focusrite control, but either inputs 9 or 10 in garage band recognize any adat/ have no mic signal.
@@AudioUniversity I’ll try that. Thanks for the response man. I even tried to see adat in audacity and nothing. It has to be a software issue if not adat starts at 11/12.
Does anyone know of any devices out there that process 8 channel ADAT and then OUTPUT 8 channels of digital optical audio? It would simplify things cuz many active monitors process optical signal. Im a noob and haven't found anything on the internet describing this sort of thing. Everything usually relies on ADDA conversion or analog breakout cables.
Would sending information from the ADAT output on an interface to the ADAT input on the preamp allow you to choose what channel inputs on the PREAMP you want to send audio to from the interface? I'm thinking I want to try sending individual channels inside my DAW to individual channels on my Tube Opto-8 Preamp so I can use the Preamp as a mixer/ distortion unit and then send the audio back out the ADAT out of the preamp into the ADAT input of the interface and into my DAW, essential doing a loop. Would this be possible?
Question -Dolby atmos ; I want to turn my room into a 7.1.4 setup .. I am leaning towards the Avid Mbox studio and using an adat connection to pair it with to handle that load (which additional equipment or focusrite piece would you recommend ? ( the faderport 8 is a mixer that would accompany it in my head as well all thoughts are welcomed please help
Thanks for the information. If I remember correctly, those fiberoptic cables are a pretty penny. They are also easy to break. Be sure the rack the equipment together to avoid movement and stressing the fiberoptic cables. Coaxial cables for digital audio are generally less expensive and more robust, but take up more space on the device.
The reason you cannot do 16 channels of ADAT input and output here is because the Focusrite 18i20 has 10 of it's 20 total outputs on Line outs, and ONLY 8 of them on ADAT (4 instead @ 88.1 or 96 KHz), not due to ADAT being limited to 8 channels like you stated in this video.
AmazIng how the ADAT protocol has become synonymous phraseology to a fiber optic light-pipe long after it’s initial relevance. Kinda like the Kleenex brand has become the generic meaning for tissue paper
Ethernet is the new ADAT.. Yamaha Tried, But was dismissed.,..just to early for the tech time. (Yamaha's Protocol, Literally a networked system using Firewire Called mLan.....) Its simple... Ethernet (RSJ45) It needs to be on all interfaces, from now. A Standard, like Midi... a Consortium. (Dante, AVB ect.......) Then we will have "cheaper" ADAT to Ethernet (vice versa) boxes for Backwards compatibility... Not that hard really. The ADAT optical protocol needs to hang up its gloves... Otherwise the future is just held back. Let me reiterate...As a analogy. Time to remove the SCART and move on to a HDMI standard.
This is NOT content. THIS IS LECTURE. Thanks Kyle, as always, so educational.
Thanks for watching each week, Dewa. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
@@AudioUniversity my pleasure. Thanks, Kyle for sharing and educating. All the best.
I really wish all of my teachers in my life were this good at explaining things.
Thanks for these kind words! I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Perfect - I have an 18i20 and added a Behringer ADA8200 - this was super easy. The only thing I did different was set the digital input to 'Dual ADAT' in the Focusrite Control software. The other options were SPDIF, so I figured that was wrong. I am running Reaper as well, but the inputs came across as Digital 1-8 (the manual for the 18i20 showed them as 3-10). Tested it - worked great! Glad it wasn't offset too. Thanks dude - you really helped me out. And I bought the ADA8200 from Sweetwater too!
You gotta love Sweetwater!
That is about $3000 of gear...
You deserve it, you do a really good job of clarifying the ever expanding world of audio gear and technology.
Thanks for saying that, Scott! I’m glad to have this gear, but my number one priority is providing value to you and other viewers!
Cost them $500 bucks the rest is profit I think we need to start making these things ourselves…This knowledge Has been keep secret for a reason because sound is bigger than you know. If brings power beyond our imagination
@@armyofgodaog7736wut. 😐
Your audience might be interested to learn that not all "clocks" are the same. My pal (Amateur Music Studio" was having problems with his setup and so we put my oscilloscope onto the clock signal derived from his Apollo I/F. We then compared the signal with a dedicated pro-audio clock device and were shocked at the difference in signal quality. Switching all the gear over to the dedicated audio clock stopped the audio artifacts in his productions.
Topic suggestion: I'd really like to see an thorough tutorial on connecting a pair of 18i20 interfaces via ADAT and/or SPDIF, and how to set up Focusrite Control for multiple monitors/headphone mixes. Bonus points for explaining how I managed to push the right buttons to keep live mics out of my playback. Thanks!
1:16 “All it does, is allows me to use a higher sample rate… ➡️ if needed” ⬅️ To me that was all the juice in learning and understanding the difference between 1 ADAT cable (limiting the capacity of my interface) vs 4 (matching the max capacity of my interface). Brilliant info expertly put together and presented! 🙏
Love your videos. Super informative and strait to the point. Thanks!
I have tried this before but now I understand what settings you have to check. Thanks, I will try with some more knowledge!
Glad I could help! Let me know if it works this time!
I gave it another try but the second interface only has adat in and is software controlled via Firewire, no hardware settings for the sample rate. I will look out for another interface that has adat out… Next time I know how to connect it and activate the connection!
Man I can't tell you how many times I've needed this, and always forget what's what, due to lack of use over the years. Cause when you learn about something 20 years prior to actually using it 1 time over said 20 years, your recollection might be sub-par!
More content like this is needed, and appreciated!
Glad to help! Thank you for watching.
What are some other topics that you would find helpful!
We are soooooo grateful to you for your wisdom and knowledge which you keep sharing with us.
This video was so unintriguing when I first saw it until I bought a 18i20 yesterday and realized I only had 8 inputs on the unit 😅 and then I also realized I can have Windows and other software output to Playback 1+2 and DAW outputting to 3+4 and have much better control over the two volumes. Thanks for this. It’ll be a couple of months before I can burn more money on the extra external 8 inputs 😂
I've roughly understood how to use ADAT. Now I know how to use ADAT! Such amazing tutorials! Thanks a bunch!
Kyle, your tutorials always come at the right time! I was looking for a video as clear and educational as this one! Thanks for these kind of videos, they help me learn a lot!
Glad you like them, Gerben! Thanks for watching each week. Let me know if there are any topics you'd like to see covered in future videos.
Perfect video. Super easy to follow. Explained perfectly. Thank you.
Since I am still using a PCI Interface (Delta 1010lt), I was wondering if there will be any benefits whatsoever of ever using the S/PDI in & Out inputs. But judging from this video, I think I can safely assume that the ability to connect additional headphones could be a good reason for me to one day invest in a device such as this ADAT piece of gear. This channel is indeed a University to me, many thanks for great videos as per usual.
not sure why im watching this, but its definetly entertaining!
I have an 4 interfaces is it possible to link all 4 together ?
Saved video for future reference.
I wished I knew this before buying the Octopre for expansion as it doesn't have optical output only in.... 😕
great insight on expansion made easy, very informative
Great, another thing you can do with either optical or coaxial digital outputs is to just expand the amount of channels so you can mix and monitor surround sound. Maybe you have a small interface with only 4 outputs you can use the digital outputs to add an extra 2 or 4 outputs and mix 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound this way.
Thanks, Marcos!
IF the smaller interface even has a digital out. Most of them do not. For 5.1 and 7.1 surround output, the Scarlett 18i20 3rd Gen is the best budget interface.
@@andynonimuss6298 Yeah and they are actually losing the digital OUTs, most manufacturers are really not including them anymore in the smaller interfaces this makes me sad, I'm using an M-AUDIO Fast track C400 (x4 analog OUTs + x2 Digital OUTs and also INs), for ages now and I love the layout of this interface and all other tabletop M-AUDIO interfaces with the large and easy to access knob on top and level indicators and XLRs on the back as I have a permanent MIC that don't need to be ocuppying the quicker and easier to use conenctions in the front. Plus I only use front INPUTs for instruments nonetheless, I really wanted to upgrade but the only ones with the digital out or the amount of channels are either rackmounts or don't have the XLRs on the back so I'm still keeping it untill it breaks down or stop working, fortunately the ageing W10 drivers are working on W11, that was my biggest fear.
I own an RME AIO PRO computer interface with 8 channel output capabilities. But because the onboard chip can't process the surround audio I need something that can handle the Aio Pro's ADAT output. RME emailed me and suggested using their ADI-8 DS Mk III which is like $2200.00. A pretty penny and I'm sure it's absolutely freaking perfect but I'll definitely look into trying this cranborne first. So helpful man. Thank you!
@@Jonathan-ff4wo But this Cranborne is almost as much as the ADI-8 DS, and it also needs some 500 module pre-amps if you'd want to use the inputs (which would add to the cost). There are much cheaper options if you only need the outputs. The Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 used in this video for example. The MOTU 8 Pre is a slightly better one. If you want to stick to RME (which is what I prefer) the Fireface 802 should be fine, and the cheapest RME option. With any of these options you could just ditch the AIO Pro, but I would still connect them through ADAT as the clocking and converters in the AIO Pro are better than pretty much anything.
Thanks. Could you please do a video on the analog summing feature of the Cranborne. No one seems to discuss that feature here on TH-cam.
Check out the Analog Summing section of this video: th-cam.com/video/UEya4v50XF4/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps! Thanks for watching.
That was a good lesson at the University. Thank you!
i did not know that the scarlets can clock. ive been eyeing them up for some time too. maybe this will be the solution to my set up.
Can you please do a ADAT vs SPDIF cable and how to use the SPDIF? This is highly confusing
I use an Ashley 32 channel mixer that plugs directly into the computer via usb. One usb cable carries all 32 channels in/out.
Great lecture!
Thanks - this is useful. I am going to use the Scarlett OctoPre to add eight more inputs to my 18i20 3rd gen. Per Focusrite support (excellent) the OctoPre preamps match my 18i20 so no reason to spend more for the Clarett. I want all 16 preamps to match. Hopefully I will be able to configure the 18i20 control panel so that it sees the eight new inputs. I have an eight channel rig with splitter and cables - so I will have a new rack case with the Octopre and another splitter. I wonder if once I have all sixteen inputs set up for 16 track recording, that if I record a small gig where eight inputs is sufficient, can I just leave the new expansion rig at home and my DAW will ignore the unconnected eight inputs from the OctoPre or will I have to set the configuration back to it's original setting...
Fantastic video. That Cranborne Audio 500ADAT looks incredible, but it's way out of my price range.
It’s pretty awesome and powerful! Hopefully the principles in this video will still be helpful to you!
Great video, unfortunately the 18i20 doesn't have a World Clock in so I have to use ADAT as the clocking connection to my AD/DA
Hi Kyle . Very informative channel🫡. What make of light pipe are you using? Cheers
great video, thank you! super clear and informative. great work!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Your videos are so valuable!!
Thank you! I’m glad you’re finding them helpful!
Simple and informative. As it should be. It really helps. Thumb up!
I’m using two ADATs, an Alesis XT20 and an Alesis Blackface, connected to a Profire Lightbridge.
Great Video, was just researching this yesterday
Perfect timing! Thanks for watching, Owen!
Is it possible to connect a solid state preamp to a mixer and then to a audio interface for a condensor microphone and acoustic guitar
Hi,. How about SPDIF? This is what encourage me to buy Scarlet 2i4 than 2i2, just in any case, I would need SPDIF.
wish you could do a video on how to connect and eq to an integrated amp
It depends on what you'd like to EQ. EQs will commonly be used on channel inserts or on the master outputs.
@@AudioUniversity understood and noted thank you👍
Hi there! Great video and channel, congrats and thanks for all the wonderful content.
I still have a doubt on this subject though, so I'd really appreciate it if you could please provide some additional guidance.
I was trying to connect via ADAT an audient id44 interface with an id14 (both MKI), only to expand my analog I/O. As the id14 just have an optical input, I understand this has to be the master device and the one connected to my computer via USB. If this is the case, is there any way to monitor my DAW output through the headphone outputs of the id44 (slave) instead of the id14 (master)? The reason is pretty simple: id44 has 2 headphone outputs while id14 has only 1.
On the other hand, is it possible to use the three headphone outputs from both interfaces combined for the same purpose?
Thanks a lot for your help!!
Great tutorial! It would be also really good to show us how to connect monitore control, I want to connect analogue preamp Warm Audio 73 to Clarett+ OctoPre. I would use Clarett+ OctoPre just as an AD/DA converter. But none of these two equipment has monitor or headphones control. And another question, do I need world clock if I connect analogue preamp to Clarett+ Octo Pre. Thank you!
amazing video perfectly explained
Glad you liked it! Thanks, James!
1:31 just a reminder to anyone *DO NOT* look directly at this light.
Excellent point! Thanks for saying that!
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Great! Always good to know in advance how to set up some equipment that I might want to buy somewhere down the line.
Thx for your extreme explanation, however I did not get the full understanding if I have have an audio interface in my case is Apollo Twin USB routed into analogue WA73 EQ how will expand my in/out in this case.
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Check out this video for analog routing options: th-cam.com/video/UEya4v50XF4/w-d-xo.html
I don't see a USB-C cable in your setup. How are you communicating with the computer?
Only the interface needs to be connected to the computer. (If it’s not shown, it was just an error while recording the footage).
can i use this with a optical cord for my tv
educational as always! thank you for this!
I’m glad you liked it, Camille! Thanks for watching!
Hi I'm having a bit of a problem. I running Clarett 8pre with a FR Octopre Mk II not the Dynamic version. So my connection is correct which there's only one way of connecting. Clarett only has one in one out, the October has two outs no in. When set to ADAT I get no sound, when I switch to internal I get static. I'm so confused about this whole thing that seems so simple.
Really great tutorial. TY
Great explanation! Love your content.
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Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Can you connect more than 2 devices together?
Only if your device has separate ADAT connections. Be careful when shopping though, because some interfaces (like the Scarlett 18i20) will have dual ADAT for higher sample rates between 2 devices. Other devices will have multiple ADAT connections for use with multiple devices.
This is a wonderful endorsement for something like a MOTU 24 i/o. What could be easier? You hook up 1- 24 i/o and you instantly have 24 ins and out TRS connections. No need for setting clocks etc. I wish audio interface manufacturers would get back to something easy like that.
The equipment demoed in this video is really confusing.
This equipment does a lot more than the MOTU 24. It's fiddlier to set up - but in practice once configured it's a much more streamlined workflow.
@@Cautionary-Tales-Band and THAT is the issue for me. I got 4-24i/o break out boxes and they needed nothing else to have 96 TRS inputs. No special cables at all...no extra ADAT i/o's etc. They work well with Cubase and theyve been problem free.
@@thisbusinessofmusic1276 Sure, but you can't use them as integrated I/O for 500-series modules, they don't have summing, etc.
There's a lot of "Swiss army knife" utility in the Cranborne that a simpler setup like yours doesn't have.
ADAT is slightly fiddly to set up, but it allows a very flexible unit like the Cranborne to jack into pretty much any studio config.
@@Cautionary-Tales-Band dont use nor do I plan to use 500 series modules. Again....this ADAT stuff if far too complicated and far more expensive to switch to than the 96 in/out setup I already have running. Also, it isnt gonna make me any more money in my place to switch to something like the system in the video and have to lose time setting it up and figuring it out. I have long since lost the need to chase shiny objects. Your mileage may vary. Have a good day.
What do I need if I want to send the sound to multiple power amplifiers using balanced xlr outlet if I only have two outlet for left & right at the source?
You could use a mixer, a monitor mixer, or a distribution amplifier. For easy switching between monitors, I’d recommend a monitor mixer.
I feel like I’m the only one that’s having a difficult time sending adat from my 500r8 to another interface. I have the sample rate the same in the interface, pro tools, and 500r8 and I have the clock set to internal on the 500r8 and set to optical 1 on the interface. No matter what I do it will not pass signal through adat.
Can I do this with a 3rd gen Scarlett 18i20 to a UAD Twin Quad? Can the 3rd gen Scarlett 18i20 act as an expander for I/Os since it has ADAT
Yes! But I believe the Apollo Twin only has ADAT In.
Great video as always, been following since last month when I found the channel. Quick question, audient id24 only has click out. That means it can only control the other device, correct? In this case with the id24, is it a better clock than the cranborne or should I look for a better device with better clocking capabilities to either control or receive? Thanks in advance.
The Cranborne clock is extremely good. The Audient clock is also great. But in any case, you’ll find that most clocking in modern gear is very stable. So just be sure that there is one master clock that everything else follows. Which device you choose matters less than you might think.
Can you do a video on the raydat pcie interfaces?
Awesome video Kyle!!!
Would it be possible to run long distance optical cable runs? For example 70 or 100 feet? I have a Clarett 2pre with optical in. I would like to extend the number of preamps with Focusrite Scarlett OctoPre to additional 8 inputs(preamps) but I would like for the OctoPre to be in the attic about 70 or 100 feet away from my Clarett 2pre...
Forgive me if this is a dummy question and just works off of the same principal.
Say if i want to route several bits of outboard effects like mic pre's, a bus compressor, a culture vulture and several synthesizers all into an audio interface without having to plug anything in or out every time I wanted to use something optionally, would I be able to just daisy/signal chain everything how I want it to permanently be and then route it into the interface directly and it would all work cohesively ?
OR, Would i need a patch bay with enough inputs and outputs routed into an audio interface ?
You can daisy chain or use a patch bay. Good question.
@@AudioUniversity Thank you for the response, I appreciate you!
Does anybody here know where I can get a copy of the Focusrite Control Center software? It is not listed on the Focusrite website anymore. Thanks for your help. 🙂
thank you
Thank you for the video, I have two focusrite saffire pro 40. One doesn't connect to the computer, I guess the FireWire ports are dead. Is it possible to use it(the one that doesn't connect to my computer just as a mic preamp and use the one that is able to connect as the primary clock?
I'll appreciate your feedback
Thank you!
This is possible! The challenge may be configuring the IO routing through ADAT without connection to the computer. I haven’t used the Saffire series, so I’m not sure how it is done.
Hi would like to know about the old vintage grundig bakelite condenser microphone what is the difference between modern (dynamic or condenser) microphone and this old one
I have both of these interfaces and I’m having trouble getting the Scarlett to accept the audio from the cranborne. I want the Scarlett to be the main interface. I have the output Adat running into the Scarlett. I have it at 4400 sample rate but the Scarlett interface isn’t catching the audio coming out of the r8 can you please help I thought I solved this issue before but I’m having issues again
Great info!!! Do you know how to connect Burl B2 Bomber ADC to Apollo 6x for tracking? I'm using using a Neumann 103 into bae 1073 preamp MacBook pro m1 Cubase 12 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hello, How would I daisy chain 3 interfaces?? Im using a focusrite 1st gen and its a slave to the UMC1820. Connected via ADAT.
Now, my question is, I bought a ADA8200 because I want to leave my drums and synths ready to record all the time so I need more than 16 channels. Can I link the ADA to the UMC1820, that is linked to the FR 18i20???? do I need both ADAT cables connected from the UMC to the FR? if I leave as it is, I have no free ADAT in and out! How can I work around this!? I see no one asking this on other forums or comments. Im at a loss. It seems people are not connecting more than 2 interfaces or not needing more than 16 inputs or they spend 3k on an interface, which I cant do.
How do I get what I have to get me to 24 inputs!?
I was looking at some RME products and came across the RME Digiface USB which seems to be what would work for me? but its 400$......f**** that.............
Can any body help me on this ? I am Investing on Good Interface so I am Currently User Of focusrite 18i20 2nd gen and I am upgrading to the " prime sound Lyra 2 " which has Brilliant AD/DAs But lyra 2 is not cheap and is really expensive , but It has only Two IN and Outs , So It is something i really worried about because , I am also Going to Outboard Gears with Interface upgrade , Before it i have Done every mix ITB . So this year I am Also will invest on Mastering Grade Gears such as SSL Fusion or Thinking to Get Summing mixer. i know Lyra 2 isn't good choice for outboard gears But what about Using ADAT expansion because my Focusrite has one too Also both has worldclock . so if i EXpand my Lyra 2 ( master ) with focusrite ( Slave ) & connectiong outboard gears with my focusrite ? & keep my monitor speakers connected with the Lyra 2 to hear from Great DAs of Lyra .
is it good choice ? i hope it will Bypass The CHeap AD/DA of focusrite and i only utilize the quality AD/DAs of Prism Lyra , Or i am going to hurt the quality of Lyra with such setup , sorry if this setup sounds stupid , actually just stepping in Analogue .
i don't want to spend more on titan , becuase i want to buy outboard gear as well with it.
( also please don't suggest me get room treatment and great Pair Of Monitors first before going analogue , i have good room and good monitors , if i want to use analogue i just want to,thats how i will learn. lol )
This setup is similar to what I currently have in my studio. I have my RME UCX II as my interface, with monitors connected to its outputs for best DA conversion. I’ve got access to 8 ins and 8 outs on the 18i20 through ADAT.
When I use the IO on the 18i20, the Focusrite converters are used. I don’t see this as a huge problem though, especially because they are following the clock in the RME. Works well for me.
@@AudioUniversity thankyou for clarifying , If you have Experience on The Prism Audio as well , would share your thoughts on it ? like how much difference You feel in the converters ? because in Similar price of Lyra 2 i am getting UFX II As well which has Good number of IN and OUTs , because i can use outboard gears easily with UFX II but again , Prism Audio Has SO far Better AD/DA than RME , unluckily , i do not have any chance to test the demo of both brands and i can only buy online , so internet is only my guide here.
I don’t have experience with Prism Audio stuff, personally. I’ve heard great things, but that goes without saying.
The difference in converters seems to get more and more subtle as things get more and more expensive. I’d say this: going with the RME UFX II will give you excellent converters on more channels, even if the Prism gives you even better conversion on fewer channels.
@@AudioUniversity thanx :) for your time
I need a brand new notebook and the chair with the desk attached..school is in session.
Nice video. How do you think the A/D converters on the new Focusrite Clarett 8 pre+ compare to the Cranbourne converters?
Do you think it’s worth it to do this same set up, but instead use the new Clarett?
I haven't tried the Focusrite Clarett series yet. If you'll get more use out of the Clarett than using it as an A-to-D converter, then I think it will be worth it. That's what I like about the 500ADAT (and the Clarett 8 pre+, in your case) - they're so versatile. I don't think it is worth it just for the A/D conversion upgrade, alone. But you'll certainly get more out of the Clarett than just the upgraded converters! Good luck, Rob. Let me know if you end up trying it out! Thanks for watching.
wait, what? adat only supports 8 channels? I've been looking at the Evo 16 from audient and they state that the interface features 24 i/o. so 8 i/o channels on the interface and 16 i/o expandable channels via adat?
It looks like the 2 ADAT input ports on the EVO 16 can operate independently, allowing for 16 channels. Pretty cool! Thanks for pointing that out, Fredrik!
I'm using a scarlett octopre into a scarlett 18i20, recording into reaper. Adat out of octopre is into adat in on 18i20, I have focusrite control set to adat clock source, sample rate 48khz (same as octopre), the octopre sync is set to internal, digital I/O is set to dual adat, but I cannot get anything to record. I noticed that when I switched the focusrite control clock source to adat, the sync light at the top of the window turned red, which I'm guessing means it's no long synced. What am I missing?
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I'm a little confused. I know the adat500 you can also bypass the 500 slot and still use it but you've also said now that you have to have a preamp for it.
These are different examples. The bypass examples do not utilize the preamp/effect. Good catch - I should have used a different graphic!
@@AudioUniversity so if I was just using the scarlet like you are there and the adat500 I could still utilize the adats 8 mic inputs and record them without preamps in the 500 or the optico?
You can use the 8 channels however you’d like, either with analog or ADAT. The analog ins and outs of the Scarlett can be used at the same time (if the Scarlett is your interface).
@@AudioUniversity so I would be able to record all 16 tracks at the same time even if I didn't have any preamps in the 500?
Only if the inputs to the 500ADAT are line level. You’ll need preamps for mics.
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how can I get it to my analog mixer?????
Some devices have ADAT inputs (like the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. That allows you to convert the digital signal to analog outputs that could feed your mixer.
@@AudioUniversity great thanks.. tell me how do I set that up because I have the apogee symphony .. I go out to from the from my symphony to 18i20 then into my Mackie mixer then back into my symphony?????
I don't know why I'm watching this. I don't make music, I bake pizza.
Hey hey, I added an octopre to my focusrite 18i20 (18i20 is my main interface). finally got focusrite controls to see an adat signal. However, i'm not seeing any adat track/input whilst in garage band. all I see is inputs 9-20. nothing resembles adat. Any clues? Thanks!
Inputs 9-20 are the ADAT, SPDIF, and Talkback inputs, I believe. If you’re not seeing signal, try connecting to the secondary 18i20 via USB to ensure the inputs are correctly routed in Focusrite Control. I had to open up the manual to get it working, as it is sort of complicated.
@@AudioUniversity thanks man. I don't have an second 18i20. I have the main interface which is an 18i20 and my adat is my octopre. I can see adat signal via the channel within focusrite control, but either inputs 9 or 10 in garage band recognize any adat/ have no mic signal.
Oops… Did you try channels 11 and 12? Perhaps 9 and 10 are SPDIF 1 and 2…
@@AudioUniversity I’ll try that. Thanks for the response man. I even tried to see adat in audacity and nothing. It has to be a software issue if not adat starts at 11/12.
@@AudioUniversity didn’t work thus far. I either got a “no input detected” and or no signal.
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Does anyone know of any devices out there that process 8 channel ADAT and then OUTPUT 8 channels of digital optical audio? It would simplify things cuz many active monitors process optical signal. Im a noob and haven't found anything on the internet describing this sort of thing. Everything usually relies on ADDA conversion or analog breakout cables.
Would sending information from the ADAT output on an interface to the ADAT input on the preamp allow you to choose what channel inputs on the PREAMP you want to send audio to from the interface? I'm thinking I want to try sending individual channels inside my DAW to individual channels on my Tube Opto-8 Preamp so I can use the Preamp as a mixer/ distortion unit and then send the audio back out the ADAT out of the preamp into the ADAT input of the interface and into my DAW, essential doing a loop. Would this be possible?
Yes
Tq
Thanks for watching!
This stuff has a long long long way to go.
Question -Dolby atmos ; I want to turn my room into a 7.1.4 setup .. I am leaning towards the Avid Mbox studio and using an adat connection to pair it with to handle that load (which additional equipment or focusrite piece would you recommend ? ( the faderport 8 is a mixer that would accompany it in my head as well all thoughts are welcomed please help
Ps: I obviously want to save on cost mtrx studio apogee symphony … is expensive
Thanks for the information. If I remember correctly, those fiberoptic cables are a pretty penny. They are also easy to break. Be sure the rack the equipment together to avoid movement and stressing the fiberoptic cables. Coaxial cables for digital audio are generally less expensive and more robust, but take up more space on the device.
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Nice,
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video!
The reason you cannot do 16 channels of ADAT input and output here is because the Focusrite 18i20 has 10 of it's 20 total outputs on Line outs, and ONLY 8 of them on ADAT (4 instead @ 88.1 or 96 KHz), not due to ADAT being limited to 8 channels like you stated in this video.
AmazIng how the ADAT protocol has become synonymous phraseology to a fiber optic light-pipe long after it’s initial relevance. Kinda like the Kleenex brand has become the generic meaning for tissue paper
Thanks for watching, Steve!
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Ethernet is the new ADAT.. Yamaha Tried, But was dismissed.,..just to early for the tech time.
(Yamaha's Protocol, Literally a networked system using Firewire Called mLan.....)
Its simple... Ethernet (RSJ45) It needs to be on all interfaces, from now. A Standard, like Midi... a Consortium. (Dante, AVB ect.......)
Then we will have "cheaper" ADAT to Ethernet (vice versa) boxes for Backwards compatibility... Not that hard really.
The ADAT optical protocol needs to hang up its gloves... Otherwise the future is just held back.
Let me reiterate...As a analogy.
Time to remove the SCART and move on to a HDMI standard.
What is an ADAT??
Alesis Digital Audio Tape. It's a standard that was once used for routing audio through a tape machine.
@@AudioUniversity I only knew ADAT as the tape machine - never knew the audio routing itself was called "ADAT"
No wonder analog is a thing nowadays.
why he pronounce it “anulog” bruh
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audio for 3 year olds. Boring
So, essentially, there is no single device that transfers ADAT format to WAV format. Clear.