Combining Two Audio Interfaces Using ASIO4ALL using ADAT as Clock Link
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- Have you ever wondered how to use two audio interfaces to expand for additional microphone inputs and audio outputs? It is not as simple as connecting them to your PC.
A tutorial on the basics and the importance of clock sync between two devices.
A Demonstration of how to set it up for Windows OS using ASIO4ALL Driver.
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This makes no sense.
If I have two audio interfaces with ADAT in and out and 8 analog inputs and outputs on each, I can just take the ADAT out from #2 bring it in to the ADAT in to #1, run the ADAT out from #1 to the ADAT in to #2, and then just use interface number #1 with whatever driver it comes with (no need to use ASIO4ALL) and have access to all 16 analog inputs and outputs on both interfaces through interface #1 to the computer. I can then use the interface software to route all channels however I like and see them all in my DAW where I can set the clock to "internal" for both interfaces to slave to through the ADAT connections.
If your method was correct (and I've never seen anyone use ASIO4ALL to successfully combine two input or output interfaces), then I should be able to run 2 ADDITIONAL AD converters (like the Behringer ADA 8000 / 8200) to feed each of the audio interfaces and combine the two interfaces in ASIO4ALL to get 32 inputs and outputs with the ADAT handing the clock OR just use a dedicated external world clock to sync all 4 devices and the DAW PC.
Unfortunately, I think that ask that you've done here is to make use of the ADAT input into your main interface to use the extra 8 ADAT in channels which is a well - documented feature of the audio interface, anyway.
You don't even need to waste a USB port on your DAW computer, because it doesn't need to pull audio from the interface. It can do it with just the ADAT connection going into the primary interface connected to the DAW.
Lastly, there's a maximum number of channels you can bring into a PC using a USB 2.0 port.
My RME Digiface USB interface takes 4 ADAT ins and 4 ADAT outs that connected to any ADAT - enabled AD preamp (like the Behringer ADA 8000 / 8200) or any audio interface with ADAT ins and outs to combine them into a 32 channel in and 34 channel out (it has s headphone port) interface through a single USB 2.0 cable. But that basically maxes out the capacity of the USB 2.0 port.
I'd love it if you were correct, though. I've got 4 audio interfaces with ADAT in and out and 2 Behringer ADA 8200s. If you were right, I could buy 2 more ADA 8200s and then have 64 channels of inputs and outputs and sell my Digiface USB. Unfortunately, ASIO4ALL can't (from what I understand) do this in a reliable way.
It's what makes those damned Apple computers better for audio recording. They can combine interfaces right in the OS where Microsoft won't get off of their asses and fix their crappy audio system.
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, you are missing one important information in your analogy. Unless you are using high-end audio interfaces, budget interfaces that have ADAT, DO NOT connect their analog inputs and outputs to ADAT, they just go to USB. And ADAT only sends/receives from USB. So, you can't connect one interface to another with ADAT in/out and expect it to work
Only a few high-end interfaces that have built-in DSP, like MOTU, RME, etc that will allow you to direct analog in/out to ADAT instead of USB. Here is a link to a very old video of mine showing how I used my faulty FireWire MOTU unit to act as an ADAT unit th-cam.com/video/ITc9vPDZ5H0/w-d-xo.html
With all of my testing, ASIO4ALL can handle up to 24 or max 26 before it grinds to a halt. This is due to the fact that the clock drift and processing is now handled by the PC CPU and not the hardware unit.
I have used 2different make interfaces with 8 inputs each, totaling 16 inputs, and recorded all 16 channels for over 2 hours continuously with not one sample drop.
Yes, MacOS handles multiple interfaces bit better with Aggregated units, but again, the stress is still on the CPU.
The best way to extend an 8 in/out USB interface with ADAT is with a dedicated ADAT Mic-Pre such as Behringer ADA8200, PreSonus DigiMax, or Focusrite Octopre etc to get 16 analog in/out.
Hope this helps your confusion and now makes sense :)
I hope to make a new detailed video explaining and showing what I just said, soon.
I would have to agree with you Mr. McCalla. I followed the video to the T and was never able to make work with 2 interfaces. Someone described to me exactly what you pointed out here and I can now have my Presonus VSL 1818 to work with one of the old Digi002 interface I have. I can now have 16 input / output channels. However, I have 2 Digi002 Interfaces. I cannot manage to find a connection that would extend the additional Digi002 along with the Presonus interface to give me 24 channels instead of 16. I am on Win10 x64. The presonus interface is used as my primary interface and I use its driver software for configuration instead of ASIO4All. If I understand correctly, you said that USB 2.0 can handle 24 channels in Windows, can you please explain how I can my interface to see all 24 channels. I appreciate your clarification though.
At this stage, I no longer care if people don't understand the basic physical facts and limitations I explain over and over again, yet again during my livestream th-cam.com/video/zlr1X2n8boA/w-d-xo.html
If you believe I'm wrong here and Mr McCalla is correct, so be it :P
@@RecordingStudio9 i have 3 different interfaces with ADAT that use FireWire and not USB (Profire Lightbridge, MOTU 828 mk ii, MOTU 896) and 3 that are USB (RME Digiface USB, MOTU 828 mkii USB, Celrsonic 20/20).
They all use 8 channel ADAT. Therefore, I think that your statement about USB is in error.
Further, if you have more than one interface from the same manufacturer, many times you can have more than one plugged in and the driver (in Windows) will combine them as one device. I know this is true of MOTU FireWire devices and is true of RME USB devices and FireWire devices.
I'm sure there are others as well.
I highly recommend you watch my video response (th-cam.com/video/zlr1X2n8boA/w-d-xo.html) first before claiming I'm wrong.
So, how do you have them setup to give you 48 inputs and 48 outputs, seen all 48 inputs and outputs by your DAW, with no aggregation?
USB or FireWire, no different to what THE BUDGET UNIT, under $500, can do in relation to ADAT audio routing.
Please show me documentation from any manufacturer that sells CURRENT audio interfaces under $500 that allows you to direct Analog input/output to/from ADAT, as well as having multiple units connected, USB or FireWire (remember, Firewire interfaces have been discontinued for many years now, apart from MOTU) and combine the inputs/outputs.
Any unit that has this feature is well above $500, if not $1000.
Don't mention MOTU or RME as they fall above the $1000 market.
P.S. FireWire was designed to be daisy-chained, but not all manufacturers had drivers to support it. MOTU, RME, Focusrite, PreSonus and some Behringer FireWire units did support. But again, they all fall above the $500 budget.
Hope that clears it.
I found this very helpful. You didn’t necessarily tell me anything new but you pulled it all together for me in one presentation. Thank you.
Used asio 4all for about 10 years .didn't know that it aggregated!! Many thanks!
Absolutely outstanding! Thank you for keeping this video online. The information and explanation was precise and easy to understand. Well done.
Nice video! The way we can use 2 audio interface as were just one is brilliant! We share the same ambitions about learning new skills; keep up the good work!
This video is super useful. About a year ago I bought a zoom livetrak l20R digital recorder and it's awesome, but the only downside is that it doesn't have midi inputs for my midi keyboard or percussion pad. Now I can pair the zoom with my Saffire USB 2-in with MIDI and finally be able to have midi tracks on my session without switching gear, plus 2 more XLR channels if I need to. Awesome!!!
Excellent Video and graphic explanation of a practical application for ASIO for all.I have used ASIO for all before but only to allow my TC- Helicon Voicelive 2 show up as an audio interface via it's USB connection. I also own a Voiceworks which I see is in your studio but although it works OK the LEDs seem to fail easily so I don't use it to it's potential.
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Very helpful. Easy to understand explanation.
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This is the video I was looking for! I am new to the home studio world and as a drummer I eat up channels fast lol! Great stuff and easy to follow. Thanks!
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Thanks for your advice.
is there a way to use a behringer umc1820 like an ada8200 connected to a scarlett 18x20 through adat? is there a standalone mode for the behringer 1820?
I don't own a UMC1820 so don't know, but like many I have, they can't be as ADA8200. Analog inputs don't direct to ADAT.
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Very clear presentation. Thanks.
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Thank you for this! One question... I have my system hooked up via ADAT, but I just found out that it's actually more accurate to use the word clock feature. With this said... I purchased an inexpensive 75ohm cable and a termination cap. Since Word Clock doesn't transfer data... I still have the ADAT hooked up. Based on what you've shown here... it seems as though I may have to change my clock source to maybe word clock??? Can you help with this?
Thank you very much this is so very helpful.
That was incredibly helpful. For this video I have subscribed truly you have just saved me allot of money. Thank you very much my friend
You are most welcome. Glad it was helpful.
If you have any videos on using strictly sm57 mics that would be greatly appreciated as well
There are 100's of videos on the Shure SM57 already. But I'll see.
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Best video out there. Very easy to follow. Unlike all the other moron's out there.
Thank you brother. Bless you
Do you know if its possible to use something like an Antelope Orion 32+ for the Analog INS and OUT's but use a seperate interface as the main Driver/ADC/DAC?
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I have a FCA1616 and a Presonus D8 and was curious about ASIO4ALL. Was quite happy to see the 1616 here, now I know exactly what to do, thanks!
You should be able to connect the Presonus D8 directly to FCA1616 ADAT in via lightpipe cable and you won't need ASIO4ALL. In your DAW FCA1616 will display 16 inputs and 8 outputs.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thanks for the response. I've been using the FCA1616 driver and I see all the inputs. Using 48khz. The issue is Cubase says everything is recorded at 96khz, and plays back at double speed. It also changes Cubase's project settings from 48 to 96. I change it back to 48 and it works fine. So, I'm thinking Behringer's 6 year-old driver might be the issue and therefore wanted to try Asio4all. The file sizes are 48khz size. The 1616 doesn't have a BNC connector, so I must use lightpipe.
@@DrumsBob The BNC connector is for the WORD clock. ADAT data includes clock signal already.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thanks. And thanks again for the video..
could I run a scarlet 2i2 while running my protools hdx system with the avid 192? I need that low latency the scarlet offers when tracking guitars!!!
Nice video! thanks. But how does the clock stuff work if I don't have a ADAT connection on my soundcard interface (mbox)?
thanks man, that was helpful!
Glad it helped!
Hi, great video. We did everything what you say in the video but out of the slave interface we can set that the in and out in our daw reason is corresponding but no sound. Do you know what can cause the problem... we are using the scarlett 18i20 3rd generation as the master and the umc behringer 18i20 as the slave. Also sometimes the asio program that we downloaded crash often... thanks in advance
Thanks sooooooooo much. You just saved a soul. You made it so so simple. I've watched some other videos but yours is very clear. I have a saffire pro 40 and a fast track pro bundled with Protool 9 MP, because I love pro tools and I would want to make the fast track pro my main. Though i have not tried it, but do you think making the fast track pro, (which in my opinion is lower in strenght compared with saffire pro 40) my main so that I can use the protools, might cause any issue?
I intend to use the spdif, thats what d fast track pro has. Thanks gain. I really appreciate your work sir.
Thanks for this video.
If I wanted to connect two Focusrite 18i8 interfaces, would I do it the same way?
is a wanted to buy the ART TPS II tube preamp, would I be able to switch between my focusrite scarlet and the ART TPS II in studio one 3? lets say I wanted to record just vocals on the ART TPS II could i just switch
ART TPS II MicPre does not have any USB connection. You have to connect the LINE level out of ART TPS into a line level input of your Focusrite.
13:24 based on my experience i was expecting the same with what you are saying but my focusrite 18i8 doesn't show individually the inputs ... Only shows 2 probably 1 for output and 1 for input.... How do i resolve this ...is it because of the driver? 🥺
Make sure you have all drivers instaled and working first.
How you connect both Devices from USB to computer, at the same time you have a ATAD between them?
Yes, I have 2 USB connections to my laptop/PC from each audio interface, then a lightpipe/fibre optic cable between the two devices.
What if you are using an ADAT only device like the Behringer ADA8200? Will Aiso4ALL still recognize the 8 extra pre's?
But how will you're ada8200 recognize the channels if it goes thru a interface with 2 inputs?
Rockelement it will show on your DAW, after you set up the I/O settings...
@@thaprofessab Did you get an answer to this question? This has bugged me for very many months ... I've got the Oktopre MK2 and could not get it to fully work. I got all the inputs working but could not see the outputs at all.
Useful info. Thanks
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hi, Vatche, I happen to have several audio interfaces among them an old 1990 MODULE MOTU 828 firewire and it sincronises with ADATS and has the optical in and out and also the beringer fca1616 just like yours and I also have a PORTABLE DIGITAL STUDIO TASCAM2488 neo all of them have 8 ins and 8 aouts. Do you know if the ISO4ALL driver will make all of the modules work even if some of them are old modules. Thank you Vatche. God Bless you.
As far as I'm aware, as long as Windows recognises the device, ASIO4ALL can use it.
hi i want to hook up 2 audio interface cause i don't want stress/latency and cause i have the cards laying around .i have 2 same audio interface pci sound card and 1 different also i want 1 them for input voice/instrument and the other out for monitor/singer.thanks.
I have the audio Knox 18 18 and just bought a mic behringer
They both work with Asiob4 all but for some reason when i go to set up the song the only way I can get the sound to come back from the behringer is to turn the blue speaker on on each track which has always caused me latency
Do I have an out put set up problem or do i need to run out put cords to the behringer?
Thank you for any help
My spelling is horrible
So sorry
1818svl
Umc behringer
Nice lesson
i have presonus 1818vsl and i want to expand it to 16input am thinking of buying presonus 1824c can connect both together using adat and how?
Thanks for the tips!
No problem!
Awesome. Not sure if you know but will that driver work if I had two Focusrite Liquid Saffires? Focusrite says they're not compatibly together only works with an adat pre amp or the Octopre's
Yes, it should still work, as you are using ADAT for clock sync only, not digital audio.
RecordingStudio9.com thanks a lot. I'll give it a shot.
For example: I have a Saffire Pro 40 + adat
It also has a Profire 2626 + adat ...
Would I use as two interfaces together, plus the two adat?
resulting in 32 channels?
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I have a MOTU 896mk3 that's firewire. But, the computer I will be getting doesn't have firewire. So, I ordered an 8pre USB. If I use that one as the one connected to my computer will I still be able to connect the firewire unit to the 8pre? I want to get 16 inputs and use the 8 outputs on the firewire unit. Does that make sense? I can't afford to go out and get another 8x8 for another grand. I'm trying to use this usb 8pre to get done what I need.
kindly advice me how to daisy chain focusrite 18i20 and 18i8..Thanks!
Hello again...New question please.
I just bought a guitar modeler pedal. I would like to record the modeler pedal direct using the USB out of the Modeler Pedal into my Laptop.
Now, I monitor through my Presonus 32S digital mixer so that I have the mixer faders controlling the individual audio tracks.
Question: Can I just plug the Modeler Pedal (vis USB) into my laptop using Studio One (5) DAW and still have the Presonus mixer monitor the tracks (with individual fader control) of the audio tracks...OR, will I still need the ASIO4All software? Thanks as always.
Philip
NYC area
Since you are joining two interfaces, you will need to Aggregate (MacOS) or use ASIO4ALL (Windows OS) to join the two devices. For reliability, set high buffer size, but this will add latency if you are recording and require direct monitoring.
Thanks for the video ! do you know if it's possible to use 2 audio interfaces (each on connected via adat to a behringer ada8200) ? I mean for example :
- behringer ada8200 ----ADAT---> Audio Interface 1 ----USB----> Computer
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- behringer ada8200 ----ADAT---> Audio Interface 2 ----USB----> Computer
I am not sure, but you can just daisy chain the two ADA8200, no? Then get the signal from one of em into your interface. Maybe the I/Os of your interface are limited and that could be problem.
Great, thanks mate!
So we have been running a similar setup for live band recording only the problem we found was during live recordings of a band using 16 channels and recording all 16 channels at the same time, the Presonus seemed to lack the ability of running 4 extra external monitors in addition to the two main outputs so here is what we ended up doing. We kept the 16 channels and snaked all the outputs for each channel into a 24 channel Mackie Mixer so we could control the room live but still capture all of the channels in the recording software. We bumped up the sampling rate to 2048 which resolved any latency problems and do not use the USB to the Behringer as the fiber does the work of pulling in the other 8 channels. It would be nice to see them come out with a better way to connect monitor wedges and use groupings to control what each player can hear coming out of the monitors without having to use a physical mixer to make it happen. There are only two main outputs one right and one left physically to plug in from on the back of the PreSonus to main speakers which work great for the desk jocky making individual tracks as a composer. For a live band recording it is a bit more difficult but getting better as more folks are wanting to record their jam sessions. Has anyone put three Audiobox 1818VSL's together and assigned any of the main outputs to be used to send to players monitor floor wedges? It has had its challenges, but I think we are coming to its limitations without just getting a Presonus 32 channel mixer that can record or something like it. Oh, did I mention whoever dies with the most music crap wins. When I mention monitors in the above, I'm talking about self-powered speaker wedges that sit in from of each player so they can set it to hear the singer or hear the bass or just keyboard and acoustic guitar etc. not headphones for a person sitting behind a desk. The ones you see band members putting their feet on all the time on the stage that can be moved around with a plug going to them. The audiobox has just a left and right output going to mains capturing all the channels for playback. Let me know if I'm missing the obvious, please.
I see you have taken the concept to the next level with live recording and personal monitoring with floor wedge speakers. I think you will hit its limitation and the only option next is to invest in a StudioLive 32 digital mixer to make your life easy.
Thanks for your comment.
Hi, not sure if you can answer this one.
I have a Behringer UMC1820 + an Behringer ADA8200.
I also have a Presonus FireStudio Lightpipe which can support up to 4 x Behringer ADA8200.
Can I link the UMC1820 Optical OUT to the Presonus OPTICAL IN for clock sync and then use 1 ADAT on the Behringer UMC1820 and then have 4 extra ADAT's connected to the Presonus?
Basically in short i would have
UMC1820 + ADAT unit.
PLUS
Presonus with 4 ADAT units.
It would give me a total of 48 inputs (8 on UMC1820, 8 on ADAT, plus 4x8 inputs on the Presonus with connected ADATS)
But this leads me to my 2nd question, can ASIO4ALL support up to 48 inputs?
That is a question I can't answer as I don't have the units. But if you already have them, you can certainly try it out.
As to ADAT sync, since the UMC1820 does not support WORD clock, you will lose one ADAT input on the FireStudio, which will make the whole exercise pointless somewhat.
Sorry for my stupid question; I understand about the adat connections but besides having the lightpipe cable connected from master to slave interfaces, do I also connect both interfaces’s usb cables to the computer? Or just the lightpipe in between interfaces and only the master interface usb connected to the computer? Thank you in advance! Have a great day!
The lightpipe (ADAT) connection is being used as just a clock signal from the master to the slave. Both audio interfaces need to be connected to the PC with USB/FireWire.
RecordingStudio9.com appreciate it!
RecordingStudio9.com No the ADAT connection carry’s also an Sound Signal, not meant bad but there are Preamps you can connect to your PC who don’t have Any other option to connect to a PC (no USB, Firewire,Thunderbolt etc.)
Correct, but in this instance, it's only used as a clock sync. The audio from each interface is sent via USB.
If I use 2 audiobox vsl44 do I still need to connect them with the adat cable? because the vsl44 doesn't have that input on the back but I would assume two of the same interface would give me the same sample rate and just have the DAW recognize all 8 inputs... would this work? or am I screwed with the vsl44 because it has no adat cable connection on the back?
Since AB44VSL does not have ADAT or SPDIF, it would not be possible to sync. Same as buying 2 of the same model watches, eventually they will go out of sync. You can try using ASIO4ALL and see how far you can go, otherwise, yes, you are screwed LOL.
fantastic video and very helpful, a question, will this work the same way with the Digimax D8, although the digimax I believe only has adat out ?
+Joe Hernandez yes, the end result is like your second audio interface act like a Digimax D8, except, unlike D8, you can still use your second audio interface outputs.
I was able to get it working, thank you so much my friend. ..blessings
nice video! but damn. is there no chance to combine my rme babyface with the focusrite 18i20 2nd gen and getting at least (!) 96 khz ???? what a shame..
Awesome video thank u! Question is what about 2 identical interfaces? I have 2 m audio fast track ultra 8r. Will this still work for them since their identical?
This depends if the driver for the units recognizes them both, so you can see 2 audio interfaces, then yes.
i have my drums set up with the focus rite 18i20 2nd gen but i need 2 more tracks for a bass and guitar on my mac..how can i plug my focus rite 2i4 to my focus rite 18i20 to add 2 more tracks
Unfortunately there is no way to sync the two, but you can certainly try with just ASIO4ALL and see how far you can go.
i dont have adat in my soundcard .. what will i do ..
I have YAMAHA AG06 and plan to buy Steinberg UR22C, Can I use ASIO4ALL to drive both in Cubase/Nuendo at the same time for 4 input simultaneously? Thank you so much.
Yes you should be able to.
Hey there! I've got an m-audio profire 2626 that I'm struggling to connect to my focusrite 18i20. I finally got a microphone signal going into my maudio and it is playing back from my focusrite but the issue is that I don't know how to set it up in cakewalk. The adat channels do not show up as available options to choose from. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you!
This is what I’m planning to do with the 2626 as well. Is this a common issue?
@@ryancrosby5 man it's been a pain. I finally got the m audio setup in "stand-alone mode" and I'm seeing signal going into the 1st mic input of the profire 2626 and I see it coming into my focusrite console but when i pull up my daw, the adat channels don't show up...😫
hi men, i just bought my presonus 1818svl and i think i´ve got the same driver that you have, the problem is that when i go to the setup my driver doesnt show me the clock source and all the ADAT and ASIO options. do they show up when you put the ADAT cable or when you install de ASIO4ALL driver? Or maybe you can please give me the link to download the same driver you have? i´d appreciate it. Thanks
Here is the link from PreSonus www-media-presonus.netdna-ssl.com/downloads/products/exe/PreSonus_AudioBox_Installer_v1_3_5653.exe
or www.presonus.com/support/downloads/AudioBox-1818VSL
I tried this with my M-Audio 1814 and an Alesis MultiMix 16. Sonar and Vegas was not having it at all. Both pieces of software crash when I try to change their audio driver to Asio4All. Any ideas?
First try having only one of the devices connected and select ASIO4ALL in SONAR, to determine if the issue is with ASIO4ALL or not. I have run my SONAR with similar configuration with no issue.
Also, how are you synchronizing the 2 devices, since Multimix 16 does not have any ADAT or SPDIF? It will work fine for playback, but will have issues when you try to record (assuming you have the ASIO4ALL issue resolved.).
Thanks for the reply, I will try that. So, open start Sonar with the M-Audio only and select Asio4All. Then if it open correctly, start of the MultiMix? What steps might I be different from your procedure when you got it to work with Sonar, and what is in this video? As for sync, I would only be using the M-Audio for playback (mostly), so I figured I might be able to scoot around the sync issue. The plan is to get them both working and take it from there.
Yes, that’s pretty much the steps to find out what’s causing the crash.
Thank you so much for this. I have a question
I have an audio interface which has enough inputs for what i need. I would like however to have multiple cue outputs(headphones) so that 4 people can listen at the same time. I would like to control how much each channel sends to individual headphones. Therefore i don't want to connect the "phones "output to a 4 headphone preamp. Getting 4 channel preamp however would require me to run ASIO4ALL . But i had many issues with that software since my computer is not very powerful so i would like to avoid any software solutions. With your expertise can you think of a solution to my problem ?
What is the make and model of your audio interface? How many outputs available?
@@RecordingStudio9 thanks for your reply. I have an entry level swissonic UA2x2 usb audio interface that has 1 stereo output as well as a headphones output.
@@stephanosphilippou1300 You are trying to fit 8 people is a 2 person mini car with each having a window view seat. Not possible :)
excellent video, liked and subbed
Thanks for the sub!
Can you tell how to connect at presonus 1818 & a studio 192 so I can get 16 inputs
Great video! You might have answered this already but I figured it'd make no harm to ask. I've got a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2 inputs) and a friend of mine has another one. We'd like to use them together to home record a drumset, using 4 mics but, unfortunaltely, the Scarllet 2i2 has no ADAT nor SPDIF. Would that still be possible?? If not, we'd probably have to use only 2 mics or ~maybe~ two computers?
You can try using ASIO4ALL with no hardware sync like I explained, and might work for a short period. Or use 2 different DAW, each setup with one 2i2, in same PC, then import the other 2 and try to sync the tracks. Bit of work, but there is always a way :-)
Thanks for the quick reply! It seems to risky to use ASIO4ALL like that (without proper sync) so I think I'll go for the second suggestion and try to use two different DAW in my laptop! I'll get back here if it works! Thanks :)
Please do let me know, as I'm interested how it works out.
Hey everyone, I have a Steinberg UR22 (2 xlr input interface), is it possible for me to purchase a Berheinger ADA8000 @ 1:58 and use that to add extra inputs to my small interface? Or does it have to have an ADAT input, which I don't think my steinberg has
Your interface has to have ADAT in/out for ADA8000 to work.
if i have 2x Behringer UMC1820 should i use the adat cable or i just plug the usb from 2 audio interfaces with usb only ?
My answer to your question is explained in the video already.
Ok I understand the adat stuff, I already have focusrite 18i8 and the octopre connected for 16 channels, but I just received my replacement 18i8 that messed up and warranty covered, can I add 8 more somehow or is 16 it? Unfortunately the 18i8 only has adat in, no out. Anyone know the trick if there is one?
You can try the SPDIF connection (th-cam.com/video/h9Zva--QVVQ/w-d-xo.html) see if you can add even more inputs.
I have the presonus studio live 16.o.2 and the RME FIREFACE 400 .. !! Is it possible to synchronize them? Because I would like to have the presonus channels in the RME..!!! Thanks
If I understand your questions right, that is not how it works. To put simply, the audio streams from 16.0.2 and RME are joined in ASIO4ALL to your DAW. All channel settings in 16.0.2 are as they are and RME input as they are. So if you select a Comp or EQ in 16.0.2, it will not effect in any of the RME channels.
excellent video, I have a question from venezuela
I have a Roland UA-25 EX interface (the old version, not the EDIROL version) it has "DIGITAL" inputs and outputs with OPTICO cable
my doubt is, if these connections are ADAT or S / PDIF, since the manufacturer does not provide this information
to see your video I came to this doubt since I have never used these connections and I have been warned that not all optical connections are ADAT
consequently, I do not want to make an investment in a preamplifier like OCTANE or BEHRINGER ULTRAGAIN and not being able to take advantage of it
thank you very much and I hope your answer soon
The optical in/out is SPDIF connection. Here is how to video with SPDIF th-cam.com/video/h9Zva--QVVQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks! Chapeau.
Hello! Nice video! Can you tell me if these 8 input interfaces will multiplex the AD converters? I need an interface for beamforming research and I need the data to be captured at the same time on all inputs. Thanks!
This video (if you watched it) demonstrates the use of ADAT for clock sync only.
If you have either of these interfaces and a Behringer ADA8000/8200 interface, then they are extended to have 16 inputs and outputs. So in your DAW, you can see 16 individual inputs and outputs.
I understood that! Very nice trick, by the way! But I want to know is if, internally, there is one ADC for each channel and if all channels are sampled at the same time. I think that's how these interfaces work but I need to know for sure before spending a lot of money on one of them - they are rather expensive in Brazil. We tried to use a National Instruments ADC made for lab use but it has only one ADC and it multiplexes this ADC among the 8 inputs it makes available. We tried ressampling the sound to try bringing the samples to the same time but did not get a good result. I found a ZOOM UAC-8 (USB3.0) and I'll check with the manufacturer about this issue. Do you know the UAC-8? What do you think about it?
BTW, the trick you found out about using the ADAT for clock sync is awesome!
Note: beamforming is done by using several mics spaced on regular intervals to create a "directional mic" or to find the direction os some audio source. Since it uses the diference in the time the sound reaches each mic, the timing is crucial.
Thanks!
Nice sir thanks a lot
hello sir........I'm a beginner Nd I hv a presonus ar12usb mixer Nd a focusrite 18i20.also usb.......now I will b using the focusrite interface...only...to connect my outboard gears in the DAW...Nd use d ar12usb only for recording......now d ar12 doesn't hv any adat WC port like the 18i20........so if I use two of them simultaneously.using asio4all.....will it create any audio issues while recording????
You can try and see how you go. But having no sync between devices will surely/eventually create issues when recording.
excellent very well explained, the only video that has understood the problem of synchronization, the only bad thing is that it is not applicable to cheaper interfaces like scarlet or the behringer umc 202, because the drivers of these do not have the option of syncronization or I'm wrong
It's not about driver compatibility, but the physical clock connection.
Thanks for watching
Hi, I have one question. I use the FCA 1616 in combination with the ADA 8200.
To create a monitor-mix in the rehearsal room I wanted to use the Line Outs of the ADA 8200 and connect them to the inputs of our mixer - but I don't get any signal. Can you tell me how to connect the devices? Thanks in advance!
The FCA1616 and many other budget Audio Interfaces only direct the analog inputs (and outputs) to USB. So there is no direct connection from input to output, other than to MAIN output 1 & 2. The same applies to ADAT in/out. Any analog signal from ADA8200 will only go to USB to a DAW, and from a DAW to ADA8200 outputs.
If you set the buffer low enough, you might be able to send FCA1616 inputs 1-8 to your PC and DAW and output them to ADA8200 outputs. But, there will always be a latency.
Hope that helps.
@@RecordingStudio9 Thank you!!
Hi, can you help me with this situation :) I have M-Audio ProKeys Sono 61 keyboard, which has soundcard inside, so it acts like Audio interface too. It works well as an midi keyboard, and it has guitar and microphone inputs, but as an Audio Interface, it has some problems (doesn't have phantom power, has some gain noise etc..) so I need some new and better one (I've been thinking Audient iD14). How would you suggest to connect them, since Audient iD14 doesn't have Midi inputs. 1) To have Audient iD14 as main interface (and to use M-Audio just as the midi keyboard connected with some Midi-USB cable) or 2) Just plug in Audient iD14 in USB (and leave M-Audio connected as it is now - with USB ) and to use Asio4All to hopefully runs both of them? Thank you.
Normally the Sono 61 USB driver should separate the Audio from the MIDI. So in your DAW you can select ID14 and the Audio Driver and the MIDI device as the Sono 61. If you still need to have both audio interfaces, you can use ASIO4ALL, but there might be some sync issues and there is no possible way to sync both audio devices.
I see..So option 1) is better one. Thank you very much for the answer, I am looking forward for more videos.
I would like to do this on an iMac, is the procedure the same ? Do I need a special driver to make the two units work together.
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Use the system Audio aggregate option to combine multiple devices. Many video tutorials on TH-cam.
how to configure more mic yamaha mg10 xu mixer in cubase 5
You can't. Yamaha MG10 USB is only 2x2, stereo in and out. Here is a related video that will explain. Different mixer, same concept. th-cam.com/video/JBPOIxTs4FE/w-d-xo.html
Super well done video and information.
Question: I have Presonus Studio One 5 and would like to use my analog mixer going through one interface for tracking to the DAW, and on playback, I would like you use the Presonus StudioLive 32S mixer for monitoring. (I prefer recording through an analog mixer and using outboard compressors, external mic pres, etc)...
So my question is:
Can I use an 8 channel Focusrite interface (Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Rackmount 18x20 USB Type-C) for my analog mixer going into the DAW (in my case StudioOne to record the tracks) and use the Presonus StudioLive Digital mixer for playback (and monitoring). Is there a method that would work for that particular setup? Thanks and great info on your video.
Note: I have not bought the Focusrite interface yet, so hence the question before I commit and buy one. Thanks and your videos are always very well done.....
Phil
NYC Area
Yes you can record with Focusrite and playback on StudioLive as you mention. One note is that, you may want to select/enable only 1 or 2 stereo channels (or as few as you need) for playback to minimise load on your CPU.
Hi, thank you for this very helpful video. I have some problem. I want to combine two audio interfaces behringer umc1820. I'm doing everything that you demonstrate in this video. My laptop see and recording every input and output but recording is with delay double tones. What i'm doing wrong? My laptop is too weak (processor: intel i3, memory: 8gb ddr3, disc ssd)? I would be grateful for some hint. Greetings from Poland.
If you mean you can hear your latency, then you need to enable direct monitoring or turn off your DAW track Monitor option off.
@@RecordingStudio9
I think it is not latency. After mixdown tracks when listening to the recording, still I can hear double sounds. As if the interfaces were traveling.
I am combining two Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 interfaces. Will this create any conflict between the two devices of will it be an easier process?
If the driver detects two units and works, that would be great (let us know), otherwise, you can try this method.
Possibly use the SPDIF as the clock sync to free up extra 16 inputs via the ADAT on each unit. th-cam.com/video/h9Zva--QVVQ/w-d-xo.html
Hypothetically, could I ADAT my Saffire Pro40 to a USB3 device to run?
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Huh? What do you mean?
What if one of the devices does not have an ADAT clock link?
I am looking to input from my headrush pedal board via USB for recording but need to be able to output through my main audio device and not using any of it's inputs for recording at the same time. If I use ASIO4ALL for this will there be clock issues.
I'm curious too
Your answer is in my video already.
@@RecordingStudio9 what time stamp
@@Gahttz Watch from 0:00 till I mention and explain in detail, twice, why it will not work or why you will have issues. My explanation can't be that hard to understand. Is it?
Great tutorial. My question is, your presonus and fca1616 both have 8analogue and 8digital (adat) so if you want to expand into recording 32i/o "which you have to buy 2-ada8000 for digital connections on both interfaces" how do you sync the both interface without using the adat?
Probably a good idea to purchase a WORD Clock generator and hook all gear into it, but I guess you can use the SPDIF of each main interfaces to sync them up, and then add ADA8000 to each of the interfaces. Just a guess. I have never tried this myself. But I do have a video on using SPDIF to sync 2 interfaces.
Thanks for the reply, probably would like to see your other video syncing with spdif. But, both interfaces am talking about have word clock i/o (am trying to avoid getting an external word clock for now so, am in search for possibilities on syncing both interfaces).
FCA1616 does not have WORD clock, so the only option is to try SPDIF syncing.
Ohh sorry, I use Echo Layla24/96 and it has 8-analogue i/o, ADAT i/o, spdif i/o and word clock i/o.
I followed the steps; however, I am only able to choose between one or the other of the two interfaces I have. I have a DIGI 002 and a Presonus VSL 1818. Do I need two adat cables or just one to make it work? I think I am closer than I was now than before I watched this video. Thank you for taking the time to assist. I am also using the ASIO 4 All Driver.
If you can see both interfaces in ASIO4ALL, make sure both are enabled in ASIO4ALL by clicking on the ON selection next to their name, this usually indicated with a blue coloured icon.
Thanks a million man!My Question is I Have an Presonus 1818vsl (usb) with adat optical /spdif and wordclock outs running into pc windows 8.1.And have just picked up an M Audio Profire 2626 (Firewire) which also has same outputs.Possible to setup the Profire into standalone mode on someone elses Mac then bring it home and link/sync it up with my presonus to have 8 more in/outs?What would be best way you think?
I have a UFX II that cannot be changed in my Studio One to asio... it messes everything up. I have to keep that, but still can't connect two other adats to it.
Ive got a Saffire 56 and Behringer 8200 that shows sync in the Madi face software screen, but NO real way to use those 16 pres. They are now paperweights. Ive tried everything to
connect them to track. No luck
This video might help? th-cam.com/video/T78rsaUmEWk/w-d-xo.html
My Scarlett 18i8 only has an ADAT input. Could I use an ADAT output from another interface and connect it to the ADAT input of the Scarlett? Basically I'm asking if the lack of an ADAT out on the 18i8 keeps this from working. I don't currently have a second interface, but I need more recording channels. I did use ASIO4ALL to record a USB mic with my Scarlett 18i8 using Ableton and it did work. Still, I've never heard mixed results from this ASIO4ALL method with actual interfaces. Support doesn't seem to be guaranteed with any of the interfaces I'm looking at.
Well I checked and you can choose ADAT as a clock source on the Scarlett so hopefully ASIO4ALL will do its part. Do you have any recommendations of interfaces with 8-48V XLR inputs? That Presonus you have is discontinued, and interfaces are pretty hard to find right now anyway. I've had a good experience with the Scarlett, so the 18i20 would probably be fine. I noticed the Scarlett Octopre is similar but cheaper. Are there any others in the 500$ or under category that compete with it? I don't know much about the technical specifications. Is buying used a bad idea?
Check for Behringer ADA8200 for added 8ch mic pre into ADAT of Scarlet.
@@RecordingStudio9 That's much cheaper, thanks. I'm still a little confused though. Since my 18i8 only has an ADAT in, I would have to use the clock of the ADA8200, but it doesn't have a USB output. Would all the channels of the master (ADA8200) output via USB through the slave (18I8)? And if so, do they output as separate tracks assuming ASIO4ALL works correctly? Because it was my understanding that ASIO4ALL combined the USB input of both devices at a driver level and the ADAT connection was just for clock sync.
ADA8200 connect to your 18i8 via ADAT, no USB. The extra 8 inputs from ADA8200 will appear on 18i8 USB.
Is it possible to add more than 8 inputs via Adat on the Apollo quad? Like two ada 8200 and the Apollo quad?
Apollo 8 supports 2 ADAT in/out, so you can connect 2 ADA8200, giving you a total of 18 input and 24 outputs.
RecordingStudio9.com thx I have the Apollo twin mk2. I think I can have it modded for an extra adat in. Wanted to see if there was another way
Hey Vatche, loving what you do but I have Macs and I downloaded propagamma USB-ASIO driver which is in 2 parts 1 is PGUSBAudiodriver which goes into the 'System/Extentions' folder 2 is USB_ASIO Driver which goes into the application 'ASIODrivers' folder - I cannot find it. Anyone help please?
With MAC you do not need any driver. You can aggregate 2 interfaces within iMac, making sure you connect ADAT or SPDIF connections and set one as master and the other as slave, and you are good to go.
Oh that's great news thank you keep doing good work and Bless you in the name of Jesus Christ
I have two usb audio interfaces and none of them have an adat connector. The audio interfaces that I own is the native instruments Komplete audio 2 and I own two of them. For some reason pro tools does not recognize both it only recognize one even after using the Asio option. Can you please assist me in this situation.
Make sure you are selecting the ASIO4ALL as the driver and not the ASIO driver of NI, then select both interfaces in ASIO4ALL driver setup.
Friend, Can I using two interfaces Tascam US-20x20?
Yes, as it supports all 3 options, WORD Sync, ADAT or SPDIF, just chose the one you are not using. SPDIF is the simplest one.
thanx.. bt why use asio4all.. cant u use the presonus interface driver ..
Unlike ASIO4ALL, Interface drivers only communicate with one specific device.