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- Loads-a-inputs for your DAW and how to get 'em! Do you need more than 8 or 16 physical inputs into your DAW? Do you needs TONS of inputs for lots of microphones or to get large amounts of MIDI hardware routed into your DAW productions? Check it out!
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This video features the following products:
Behringer UMC1820
Behringer ADA8200
RME Digiface USB
Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK
Mackie Onyx 16
Mackie Onyx 24
Tascam Model 24
Behringer X32
Mackie DL32R
Mackie DL32S
Zoom LiveTrak L-20R
Behringer XR18
MIDAS MR18
Presonus Studiolive 24R
Presonus Studiolive 32R
Soundcraft Ui24R
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Basically we live in an incredible time for recording.
Indeed!
I'm 8 minutes in and already feel like this may be the best video on TH-cam!
Another very very important video, I hope people can keep watching this so get answers to very new problems of working within the DAW. This problem really did not exist in the 80s,90s etc because everything was done through a mixing desk, and this video is really showing you all the different ways. Thank You.
exactly, but who makes an affordable analog 8 bus mixer now? and even if they were plentiful we'd still need the physical DAW inputs. Actually I just thought of another solution, buy 3 old ADAT units cheap, with knackered tape transports, but they will still act as audio interfaces if you connect them to something like that RME Digiface USB.👍
@@dancetech : The cheapest solution is a couple of Alesis HD24s or/and Blackfaces.
Such a help to me on so many levels. Thanks for being so succinct and thoughtful. Super impressed with this video, bravo 👏
This is very informative video with all the details needed for anyone who is starting in studio recording, or looking to expand his gear. Great work dude.
I was very much entertained! I am happy the XR18 was in the video. It is from Behringer and I do not buy anything else from them but this mixer is phenomenal in my small studio! Thanks.
This is great! I’ve been trying to find this exact information for quite a while and have only found it in bits and pieces. Thank you!
Best explanation ever
Makes so much easier to be able of see prices as well 🙏👍👍👍
Thanks dude
Hey, thanks for that video. I've been investigating this subject myself and wasn't aware of some of those solutions you mentioned yet. Cheers!
Wow, this has saved me so much time in research for my home studio needs...thanks
Love the way you say ok.
I did that years ago. Today I would buy 2 x Soundcraft ui24r and cascade it. 48 Physical Inputs & 16 Aux. Great solution!
This was a great video...i totally didn’t expect all of the expert advice just an opinion on high channel count interfaces but it turned out to be a little mini masterclass. 👍
👍 cheers mate. subscribe, cos there's plenty more where that came from coming down the pipe soon - I'm doing a rebuild of my room with a full hardware setup: (mixer, rack fx, multitrack, synths, samplers etc) dragging all the old hardware out of storage, and then we start doing some traditional sound recording tutorials etc 👍
@@dancetech Excellent. May I ask a couple question, what are your favorite monitors and converters for studio and, what do you think about the SSL BIG SIX? Thanks.
@@bigdap100 Converters i couldn't give monkeys about that tbh. All that matters is the music/composition/arrangement, which is why not very interesting bands/artists might spend grands recording in a top studio setup & turn out some music nobody really wants to hear, Yes it's pristine & clean & clear etc, but it's just crap. while millions of kids are listening to some grime or hiphop done on a cheap laptop at home using fruity loops or whatever (yes, probably with the vocal then tracked in a decent studio & some decent mastering done) or some or grunky garage rock done in a lower end studio.
i go for the sound, not the clarity etc, but yes I can absolutely appreciate Dark Side Of The Moon or whatever too. everything has a sound at the end of the day.
Monitors? blimey, Well I LOVE my vintage 1970's Richard Allen Pavanes.
favourite little ones would be the Presonus Eris 5". amazing bass & tightness & smoothness of the bass, even at very very low levels,. they just blew me away. Someone I work with on sessions has a pair and every time I visit they blow me away all over again. incredible speakers, seriously! and nobody ever talks about Presonus speakers. It'd be interesting to hear their bigger ones.
Bigger speakers? Old Tannoy 12" duel concentric every time.
best speakers I ever heard? Beyond all the pro studios with all the usual top end Eastlake/Westlake/ATC/Quested/Urei etc etc? I think they were vintage Martin Logan electrostatics, not sure, but def not Quads. I met this wealthy startup investor (one of his investments was 'Eagle E-Types', super cool!) & he had this MEGA stereo setup, with two massive valve power amps, a huge 5 or 6 U 19" rack amp which was only the amp for the moving coil cartridge on the turntable!!! & another massive 5 or 6 U pre-amp which then fed the two massive valve amps. Those then fed the electrostatics. So he put on Sgt Pepper (vinyl) and left me to it to listen. VERY VERY strange experience. At first it sounded dull and lifeless & flat... and i was like.. Pft, this is really dull & un-dynamic etc, but then after a few minutes you get used to it and start to listen and you just gradually sunk further in & in & in to the music & seriously, once you got used to it it was suddenly like being in the actual recording room with the band, you could hear the envelope of the reverb decaying inside the music and the movement of the compressor envelopes etc & every last nuance of little sounds picked up in the recording , .. it was mind blowing. Anyhoos. I complimented his stereo & he said he knows the Pink Floyd guys (Nick Mason I think was his mate) and every time they did a studio mix they'd come round to try it on his system just to be sure lol
@@dancetech 👍thanks for the response, sometimes I try to understand the personality of engineers and musicians by asking them the gear that they like. I am similar to you in that I prioritize the song over the technicalities, I like dirty sounding music b/c in my era the mixtape was cherished by those who could get their hands on them.
Do you have any opinions about the SSL BIG SIX, it looks cool but it’s a different workflow.
@@bigdap100 sorry forgot to reply. The BIG SIX seems quite good value given that it essentially behaves as a multi i/o audio interface with SSL mic pres & Line pre inputs as well as equalisers & compressor and can also handle various routing and foldback management & would therefore be a decent unit for a higher-end production type suite rather than a full-on multitrack style studio setup. Depends what you want it for I suppose because working with any modern DAW how many of those features would you actually use beyond the pre-amps? Like why would you route daw channels back to the BIG SIX for mixing? Not sure I would.
Loads of options and ideas! Thanks very much for bringing this all together. It's been most helpful!
Food for thought indeed. I've been away from recording for a while and returning with set parameters in mind. I use a Behringer Audio interface now and given the choices so wonderfully shown here by your good self, I'm thinking of a mix of units. It's all about getting stuff to last for a decade or so. Have just spent £795 on a Workstation pc build.
I studied sound engineering at university but took other career choices - I needed to pay the rent and liked sleep too; I kept my late nights for gigs and or studio work adding drum tracks to other people stuff - unofficial cheap session player. That was all over 9 years ago, I need to catch up. This will help nicely. Concise information as required thanks. Like given.
Great video, sure would be nice if manufacturers used combination jacks for all inputs/outputs.
This is very informative and helpful. Thank you! I’ve also enjoyed your detailed descriptions and trials of the T-Racks 5 modules.
Thanks 👍 please subscribe & switch on notifications for more stuff when i get back to it (soon)
this was great and that's exactly what i'm going to do, i have my mains, subs and amps ready to go, just need an xr18, some fold backs, and the most expensive part - a van to carry it all in
Another head twister Thanks 🙏🏿 really appreciate the information keep delivering bro. You are the best out there.
Perfect video, straight to the point and much more ! I came here to add a bit more inputs to my home studio, but after this video I want to invest in PA and stagebox and record everyone 😍
Thank you for bringing the Digiface USB to my attention! I was looking for a way to get a shitload of DC-coupled ins and outs to the DAW for interfacing with a modular system, and this looks like the best solution since PreSonus discontinued the Quantum 4848.
This was absolutely amazing. Thank you for sharing your detailed insight.
Thank you for your good advice on digital interfaces
Absolutely Fantastic video, thank you for the detailed video
Great video! The most exhaustive on the subject! Thanks very much!
Behringer have absorbed some great names and come a long long way! Midas was just the first, then Tannoy, TC Helcion and more. Plus many who started recording should have had to wait a couple more years if it weren't for Behringer. Now the Wing, stage boxes, and the monitors designed by Karl Klawitter, (KRK) and according to him , his best work yet. They are easily as good as anything near that price too, the sub is a great deal.
Thank you for an excellent no nonsense and very practical video - exactly the info I needed…I hit the subscribe & notify buttons straight away 👍🏼
This was very informative. I've been trying to figure out how to get more than 16 channels using a USB interface.
Incredible Video and exactly what i’ve been looking for so simple and all info was useful thank you soo much‼️
I really like this video. I am not exactly looking for the info this video provides, but it was still worth watching.
Im useing this setup with the dirct outs from my 2442 . you can also {half plug from your inserts} ie. only plug ts cable halfway into your insert jacks usually right under inputs on most decent mixers . this will let you run live while still captureing and not having to fiddle with all the plugging
This was really helpful! Slight aside: You have a very soothing voice! It was a very easy listen 😂
subscribed. this is exactly what i needed.
there is also the motu interfaces that can be used in this scenario. Awesome vid!
Thanks so much , greatly appreciate detail in your video
What a great video! Thank you!
Thank you for this video, I've learned a lot!
That was fantastic. Thank you so much!
Incredible video thank you!
Gotta watch out for some of the details with the digital mixers. As an example, some only work with Apple products, which is why I didn't choose Mackie!
The UI24r runs only at 48khz (not 44.1khz) and doesn't use an app. You connect to the mixer with a browser and the mixer sends HTML5 code back to the connected device. Neat... as your app will never get out of date with OS upgrades as there is no app.
I use a MOTU PCIe424 card giving me 92 inputs to my DAW. Yes, my MIDI rig is that big, but I also have the UI24r and QSC TM30 which has the advantage of a built-in touchscreen.
Solid video. I'm sure many folks are now going down this route...
Love my presonus. Run live sound while recording tracks through sound capture simultaneously
Excellent upload, thank you.
Lots of useful information, many thanks
Great video!
24 analog in/out for roughly 100 quid here by three PCI cards - I know this video was about USB and really great it is so!
Took a few years to get the third card with shoelaces, could have gotten three cards for 100 EUR but typed the seller email wrong at first so he had time to sell one of them. M-Audio Delta 1010LT doesn't seem to die, LOL. Using zero budget Linux computer (4 core AMD, 4 GB RAM, used 2 GHz dual core / 2GB before) with Ubuntu Studio and Reaper. It's well enough for rec & mix & master with all the required mixing plugins. Not really using plugins for synths, got hardware (avoiding "plugin available for Win/Mac" type of issues or emulation/VST bridges horror).
Oh, the desk is Behringer MX8000 (24+24 channel fully analog desk) with direct channel outs going into the audio cards, four last taken from two stereo groups, so I can press buttons to choose what to record via those last channels instead of using a patchbay or reconnecting cables.
The behringer stuff with the midas preamps is surprisingly good.. in some cases, better performance than a few very expensive preamps.
great video, thank you
Very helpful. Thanks!
Awesome video!
Lovely stuff thank you!
thanks! this was a good informative video!!
Thank you so much for this amazing video. Sincerely.
For a lot of people a Behringer RX1602 is all they'd need as a submix with a USB interface to computer.
Plus it's stereo/mono switchable and you could stay well under £200
I love this video! Greeting from Germany!
The Behringer pre-amps are crazy good for the price - I've heard a lot worse in local studios.. Really nice clean sound for vocals, guitar and bass (never tried them with anything else..)
that advice at the end was all i needed to get motivated to set up for corporate events. i was lucky enough to be able to buy a pair of old Presonus Studio Live 16 desks which can he daisy chained for a 32 track monster. All i need is a firewire card for my pc to do multitrack recordings for bands. ill to find spme pa speakers from an auction or something
i already own that behringer interface as well as the ultragain digital so if the firewire doesnt work, ill patch it to the track outputs. 16 channels should be enough. i like your idea of marketing to bands for a rehearsal recording. that way i dont need my own studio.
Wow, I wish i'd come across something like this 3 years ago. Starting off from having a DAW at home with a simple 2 channel interface, I ended up with a fairly flexible 20 at once input mobile recording set up, by linking 2 Audient ASP880's to an Audient iD44, alog with some outboard processors, patchbays in two rack cases. It all works fine. The Audient gear is good, and the ASPs offer send and returns, so I can bypass the Audient pre-amps where required, or patch in other hardware, but even though I bought some of it secondhand, it was still pricey, compared to some of these options
This was great. Thank you. I'm in my late fifties, and a retired software engineer, but was a keyboard player in a rock band back in the day, and did a two year full-time recording engineering college degree back then as well. These days, I do a ton of rock style singing (quite good actually), and we've done a lot of karaoke over the past ten years or so, which is an absolute blast through a great sounding system. Problem is, with a very very few exceptions, you never get a decent sounding system to sing through. Most people who host know less than zero about sound. Anyway, now I want to set up a home studio, as well as possibly getting into the karaoke hosting scene with the kind of sound I think people would appreciate. I was looking at the Behringer XR18 to use as my interface at home, and then I could also use it to do karaoke or other live applications if that materializes. A used XR18 in Canada (where I live) goes for about 1000.00cdn (600.00gbp) so even used, this will be somewhat of an investment vs a small dedicated interface. I'm still trying to decide which way to go.
All I want to do immediately is learn Reaper, buy an SM7B, and do vocal covers of my favourite rock songs and post them.
Anyway, this was very helpful to me. Cheers!
I've been using reaper for about 6 months now, and it's really a pleasure to use. Very rarely crashes, efficient and powerful, and updates are a breeze.
I think the XR18 is a great choice, I've got 2 of them. I used it as a portable digital mixer for my keys, vocals, guitars, and drums for my rock and pop cover bands. At home, I'm using them as audio interfaces with 18 inputs over USB. No latency, great audio quality, easy setup, and standalone... so no need to turn on the computer when just using your instruments in the studio. Big bonuses too: per channel, you get EQ, compression, and there are 4 FX busses with loads of FX types to choose from. It has MIDI for connection to your keys if that's your thing. Reaper hookup is quick and easy, plenty of video tutorials for that. It really is a great economical and quality solution.
@@psionic111 Yep, I like that idea a lot, but I think I'm going to just grab a used UMC1820 to start and see how it goes.
I love this ok at the end of almost every sentence
very helpful - thanks
Excellent! Thankyou
Fantastic video
This was a pretty thorough and relaxing video. I got a kick out of you asking “all right?”
Awesome video !!!!!!
I have the behringer uphoria 404 4 in 4 out audio interface, and it does great! When I will need more inputs i will get the 1820
Great video
Very useful video!!!
cheers. Glad it was helpful!
03:11 I got these. I work with them greatly. Not any issue on any DAW and Davinci/Première. BTW the inputs are 18. 16 analogue and 2 SPDIF on the UMC1820 itself. Latency is very low (on my system) as well.
Good video!
I recently opted for the ADAT variant. Almost all the parts were second-hand and correspondingly cheap. A Scarlett 18i20 Gen 1 and an old Behringer ADA8000 are the centerpieces. Add a few cheap microphones and you can record the whole band live in the rehearsal room on individual tracks... We have 7 microphones on the drums, 2 on the guitar amps, a bass via D.I. and 4 vocal microphones, leaving 2 channels for other things...
It's a mini studio in the rehearsal room, so to speak... good enough for demos and possibly more. ...and overdubs are also possible without any problems...
Total cost including cables, microphones for drums and amplifiers etc pp: about 1200 euros. That's good enough for a punk band ;)
@ 10:50 correction it's not just tablets also pc or laptops. Using a tablet can be a bit difficult because of the size.
Good video! Always to know what could be a good alternative for the day my Motu 424 system breaks down. Although I'm a a bit spoiled with this system having 96ch in and 96 ch out. Almost use all of them as well, but could do with less if I start using patchpanels. But the convinience though.
Wow, what an amazing summary, this is exactly what I needed! Wish I had found this sooner, it would have saved me a lot of research… Thanks a lot (albeit belated)!
I have several synths, a drum machine, tape deck etc., so I really need some headroom when it comes to inputs. I'm currently using an 8-track interface (M-Audio M-Track Eight) that doesn't offer ADAT, so apart from switching entirely to one of the options in your video, the most cost-effective solution seems to be a small separate mixer with, say, 16 inputs whose stereo sum is then sent to two of the M-Track inputs (Behringer RX1602 V2 seems the best option), leaving me with 22 usable inputs. What do you think? I'm also considering to add a multichannel DI box to the setup since I get a lot of (ground?) noise from my unbalanced connections despite fairly short cables.
AWESOME
Your voice is very relaxing
Sound thinking, sir.
good stuff should help expand my i/o channels
For the computer you could somthing like a DELL R420 server, that would work well.
I have 2x Zoom R24 devices which double as a daw controller and output soundcard. That gives me 16 inputs (apart from 16 midi channels). You need a mammoth processor (6 or 8 core multi-threader)and mammoth memory and a separate SSD for the OS (Windows etc (standard SSD with do for system)) and the recording SSD (which needs to be NVME 3000MB/s minimum); especially if you are using VST instruments with your daw. I can get 96KHZ 24Bit 1024 samples per second (which gives 192 KHZ right and left output). Reaper is the more core and memory efficient DAW although you need to have a little experience with reaper to set up correctly.
I use a PreSonus 32R. It is also my live mixer.
thanks
im just like for a 8 to 16 track mixer that will give me 8 to 16 separate recording tracks in my DAW, i can't seem to find anything for like under a grand. First solution might work for me, definitely watching the rest of this video.
Tascam model 16!
This is why I only use my MPC one to make music now ,I once had a room full of gear and it was a nightmare to keep running
Thank you so much for this video. Would you happen to know if the Zoom L-20r can be used an interface without an iPad synced to it? Also.your first (inexpensive) solution seems to be the most practical for studio environment.
Got the 8200 going into a Apollo twin the universal audio solution is way up there
Great video to get an overview. I was just hoping to see Madi interfaces which offer more than 32 channels.
can you name a madi or dante stagebox with more than 32 inputs?
I have the TASCAM 16x08 and it’s been great for $399
There really is a major gap in the market for multi input usb interfaces that don't waste space and money on unnessasary pre amps eq's and physical outputs for producers that just want to multitrack a big rig of line level synthesizers.
There is, but i suppose any company that makes a usb out pre-amp rack unit wants to maximise possible customer requirements to maximise potential market/sales, so they want a mic pre on all inputs etc - one product I left out is the ESI: www.thomann.de/gb/esi_u168_xt.htm - 16 line ins (plus some mic pre's on the front if required) for 385 GBP - ESI are VERY good, and have always had some of the best drivers on the market because the company was originally created as RIDI GMBH way back in the late 1990's & early 2000's writing drivers for other companies products
i wish they made a doubled up version of the RME digiface USB that could take 8 ins/outs of ADAT for a total of 64in 64out. you can get all sorts of "the driver doesn't work anymore so it's useless" firewire or usb interfaces that can be reconfigured for standalone use as A/D boxes. from what i've heard RME's drivers are rock solid.
if you want the really high channel counts, up in the double digits, your only options are basically the network-based standards dante and AVB, and those start to stretch the limits of what some DAWs allow, some can only take up to 128 or even 99 channels of i/o. and that's all pretty unnafordable for anyone who isn't a fulltime studio with an accountant.
The Behringer X32 also has 6 1/4 balanced Aux Ins and 6 Aux Outs and with its almost unlimited routing options you can use the Aux Outs as Ins giving you 12 more Input possibilities.
Yeah, no need to make up a bunch of cables like he said. I own the x32 compact and it does everything I need. Live shows and recording. It's a lot smaller than the full x32 and with a DL32 stage box you still get 32 in's and 16 out's. No regrets after 3 years.
Well it's for under-the-budget people, if you have a couple of 1000$ under your pillow, you can ignore this video.
La verdad es muy bueno el vídeo
there is also the ESI U168XT usb interface with 16 line inputs, I got mine used for €250
Yeah I missed that one. I think at the time of this video the 2 x behringers worked out cheaper (new) for 16 inputs via USB/ADAT... Now the prices have risen A LOT... ESI are very good usually, always have the best windows drivers.
Hey great video very helpful for those who need info, during lockdown i used my bands vintage ( HA HA ) Mackie 32:8 mixer connected to my 2 Focusrite interfaces Mic up drums/ Di bass and keys recorded them all and did abit of hybrid recording /mixing great fun..btw any more reggae tutorials ...
👍 great mixer.
I was entertained.
Really well done video and great information...Super well done
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I have the opposite problem as I would like to mix using my Analog 32 Channel mixer (in a studio environment and use my multiple vintage outboard gear units if needed) and I so far have not found an inexpensive solution to getting 32 physical outputs from the DAW to my analog mixer TRS line inputs. (My DAW is on a PC Laptop)...
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I only can find units like the Antelope Orion 32+, Ferrofish A32 (or two Frerrofish Pulse 16s) or RME (to name a few) and these are really expensive units. I believe I am going to go with the Antelope Orion Gen 4 (at $3295 USD) as I can get 32 channels I/O over the USB connector.
If you have any suggestions that would be great. Again, excellent video. the best one I've seen on multiple options. Thanks.
Phil
NYC / Jersey Shore area
what about making aggregate audio devices by chaining multiple audio interfaces together? That would be another cool way to get more inputs very cost effective too!
You could do that, but making an aggregate device of 2 or 3 x 8 input audio interfaces would cost more than the ADAT solutions in this video because you'd be buying 2 or 3 full featured 8-input interfaces which cost more than the adat expander units
I was using the behringer ADA 8000 10 years ago. Not the top shelf, but nothing abhorrently wrong with it.
Brilliant. Now I know how to record my 12 peice Ludwig Legacy Maple with 24 mic preamps. :D
I use predominantly midi gear, old hardware samplers/synths/drum machines/pedals/old rack fx and outboard and work mostly in the midi domain with analogue audio.
Bought two Motu 828mk2’s for £120 and a used yamaha 02R for £100 (to patch in lots of my analogue gear) with two ADAT digital cards of 8 tracks each so I can simultaneously output 16 lightpipe channels of 44.1 or 8 tracks of 96k digital audio straight into logic 8 via FireWire with no latency and amazing sound quality.
Have to word clock all the digital gear mind, but it sounds so much better for it….
My 02R mixes sound way way better than my DAW mixes.
Great video. Super informative. Definitely will help me in researching what I need for tracking drums without constantly moving inputs around. I'd be careful about using the term "tablet" to describe a mixer. You will confuse yanks like me with that. A tablet is like an iPad. A mixer is a mixer.
"A mixer is a mixer"? If you look at the rack mount "mixers" that he showed, it's plain to see that they are missing ALL the controls. The "tablet" is how you operate the mixer. The tablet IS the mixer. It's what has ALL the controls. And yes, It's an ipad.
As my gear collection gets bigger, this is just the ticket.
I keep thinking Stewart Lee is telling me about audio equipment😀