The Problem With Current Spider-Man Comics... And A Few Solutions
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- Attempting to break down the current Amazing Spider-Man comic run, what's going on, and what to do about. Hope you like it!
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Just get Deadpool to retcon this. He can break the fourth wall so he can find a stupidly funny way to retcon this by forcing the writers at gunpoint to get Peter and MJ back together.
I'd have no problem with that to be honest
That could work but it'll break the in-universe rule of Deadpool could never learn who Spider-Man really is. This rule was randomly set up in the Spider-Man/Deadpool crossover run and now we're stuck with it.
@@SonicHedgehog1991 can Gwenpool do it then?
*Deadpool travel back into time and shoot quesada right in his head while he is looking at his first draft of OMD*
I'm still mad Mephisto didn't bend MJ over right in front of Peter when they made the deal. 🥺🥺
Paul has done irreparable damage to the Spider-Man community
hey atleast some of the Paul memes are quite good
@@camscomicpulls God that’s the funniest part 💀
Paul Is Mephisto
Actually it's a good benchmark to see what you can get away with. Anything with Spiderman sells like gangbusters. Also it makes the next writer look good unless he's shit.
They really hate white legacy chars lol
Of all the badly written moments shown here, for some reason the one where Peter breaks into the Baxter Building and tries to steal tech from the Fantastic Four is what actually got me upset. You'd think that Peter could simply explain to his oldest friends in the superhero community that him and MJ were trapped in a parallel dimension, they built a transporter to take them home but only Peter got through, and now he needs their help to rebuild it so he can get MJ back, and you'd also think that the Fantastic Four would gladly accept in a heartbeat since they hop between dimensions about as often as you and I go to the grocery store. Instead, Peter stealing their tech and a fight breaking out between the two feels as contrived as how in One More Day when apparently no one in the Marvel Universe could figure out how to heal Aunt May's bullet wound, and it angers me just as much.
I agree. I mean, Peter and the ff are as close to family as you gonna get. Reed saved aunt May's life during the gathering of five. He's Franklin's favorite hero. Hell, when Johnny died, he named Peter as his replacement. When I saw that, I got mad. It just seems like they just wanna make Peter miserable
Doctor Strange: "Sorry Peter. I know I can rewrite reality, battle gods to a standstill, and was one of the greatest neurosurgeons in the world, but I can't remove a bullet from your dying aunt."
Spidey: "Welp. Better sell my soul to the devil then."
Johnny Storm: "Hey Peter. Weird stuff going on where the police are looking for you because your outfit was buried in the ground next to a crater for some reason. Care to explain?"
Spidey: "NO TIME! GADGETS NOW!"
Marvel: "Why are readers so butt hurt about our stories? We have our best writers on them."
@@TriTomMaximum Maybe if Marvel's editors let the writers do their job, the readers might enjoy the stories more.
Only thing I like about this whole is John romita jrs art
@@silasloudon3844 Honestly, I've never been a fan of his art style. It's too blocky for my tastes.
Always found it hilarious that Quasada thought Spider-Man being married made him unrelated, but apparently Spider-Man literally making a deal with the devil is something he has no problem relating to.
Honestly, Zeb Wells did something that never happened with another comic book hero: I stopped caring, that's it.
Let's be honest, Peter should have slit his wrists to stop suffering his eternal misery every day. This is not normal or relatable, this is sick and straight out of a nightmare.
100%
Hundred percent, it's torture porn at this point. Struggling and suffering are leagues apart from each other
I never understand why they try to degrade their money maker so much
Apathy is the worst thing to experience as a fan. It means you're so angry/upset/betrayed that it's easier not care.
At this point he's basically suffered just as much as Guts, and that's absolutely not a good thing considering how different in tone Spider man is compared to Berserk
Ex-DC reader here. I gave up on comics after Heroes in Crisis since Wally West was my favorite character since my childhood. It broke me. After years of him being retconned out of existence and then brought back only to be dragged through the mud and subsequently have his character thoroughly assassinated, I raged. I raged against the dying of the light and then... I simply quit caring. I know that now Wally is "better" and "fixed" now, but HiC was the moment when it finally dawned on me that comics (modern ones namely) didn't matter to me anymore. These days I read my older Flash comics/stories and cherish better times.
I can feel what Spiderman fans are going through. For every step forward, there's a mandate, editorial decree, biased EiCs, or what have you that seem to constantly get off on pummeling fan favorites into the dirt.
I know what you mean, it's a fair reaction after having that done to your favorite character. I'm sure you're still skeptical but I think the latest Flash run is so good and so worth your time as a long time fan of Wally.
MJ husband Paul is Mephisto in disguise lol 😂
give it a few years and I bet that's entirely plausible retcon lol
Oh God, nooooo! But sadly, that is probably a possibility.
@MrGatchaman85
Mephisto:"That's right Parker, I shagged your ex-wife and gave her two kids. Just to get under your skin. Mwahahaha!"
I’m hoping that’s the case and MJ is left flapping in the wind for how much of a dick move she pulled
@@camscomicpullsso is MJ's husband I quit reading Spider-Man back in 2015 because of the social justice bullcrap but of course she's married to a black guy of course because she's a racist if she doesn't marry a black guy when it's not Peter That's what they would imply probably because now you have to mix races and race swap and etc etc etc or you're not cool according to marvel and DC
We could’ve easily gotten a Superman/Lois treatment with Pete and MJ, where we get awesome new stories where it involves both of em and their children together or some shit.
My take has always been that since Miles is on Earth 616, have him serve as the character for younger readers to relate to without having to constantly set back Peter.
Do you read Venom by chance, and is it any good?
I read and loved the Cates/Stegman Venom run but dropped after that so I couldn't tell ya
Well you see, Miles comics sold significantly worse, even worse then this one
10:48 How in the world is this a thing??!! Speaking as guy who did not grow up with the OG Spider-Man comics in the 60's, my baseline understanding of Spider-Man has always been of him married to MJ.
I grew up in a time where MJ was either his wife or defecto love interest and anytime I see Peter with someone else it legitimately feels revolting. I felt this so strongly that One More Day infuriated me even though I had never read a Spider-Man comic in my life and only heard about it through the internet years after the fact. I was a layman Spider-Man fan, all my familiarity came from movies, tv shows, and random tidbits I read online and in encyclopedias. But even with my lack of direct knowledge, I still felt like Peter and MJ should be married and anything short of that felt (and still does feel) wrong.
I'm sure I can't be the only one to feel this way either, I've seen younger and older fans alike express the same sentiment. MJ and Peter being together was so integral to Spider-Man that when I started reading the comics for the first time, they never felt _right_ until Nick Spencer's run when he put them together again. It always felt like something was missing but then that run was when I was finally like "Oh, this is what a Spider-man comic SHOULD feel like". It was the moment the comics finally felt like the best Spider-Man movies and tv shows I had watched.
Look, this is just my experience as a relatively young guy when it comes to Spider-Man. Marvel's Editorial staff feel differently because they grew up in a different time, when Peter was not married to Mary Jane. Their baseline understanding of the character is therefore totally different. They likely find him unrelatable and unfamiliar as a married man because that's not _their_ Spider-Man.
But for every kid who grew up with Spider-Man post-1987, Peter being married to MJ is *our* Spider-Man. That's such an integral part of the character that something feels missing if MJ isn't there. That aspect of Peter's life really represents maturity and stability to us. Like when you're a kid, you don't exactly related to Spider-Man in terms of his role in society. You aren't in collage, you don't have a day job, you're not even in high school. But you still loved Spider-Man because he was this aspirational figure and you wanted to be like him.
And I'm not going to lie to you, seeing a guy who's happily married is aspirational even as a kid. That means you're successful, it means you're stable. It felt like Peter had his life together and that was really comforting to kids because they, even more than adults, want stability in their lives. We wanted the adult figures in our lives to be dependable, we didn't want it to change. Seeing Peter and MJ's marriage dissolve felt like mom and dad getting divorced. That's a pretty extreme comparison but it conveys the sentiment because MJ and Peter's break-up was an attack on the stability kids felt in Spider-Man and the trust we had in the character and his world.
I'll conclude with this: that trust matters to the reader, that stability matters. When you see a hero, you want to see someone you aspire to be and no one aspires to be a hero more than kids which is why I think so many kids grew up seeing Mary Jane as Peter's soulmate. Even now, 20 years after One More Day, we all still yearn to return for MJ to be Peter's soulmate again and that includes kids who were born after One More Day even happened! Peter's marriage to MJ felt that right, you want that to be the current reality even if you never experienced it in the first place!
Marvel's Editorials need to understand how much this relationship means to readers and how much it does for Peter Parker's story and character. It represents maturity. It represents stability. It represents success and it represents _happiness._ Are all those not qualities of a hero? They are and it's why readers want this marriage so badly, because it encapsulates Spider-Man's heroism in a way few other story elements can. That's certainly why I want Peter and MJ to be married again, and I'd wager that's why other Spidey fans feel the same way.
wise words, Master Obi Wan!
Having been born at the turn of the century, you encapsulated my experience with Peter, if not a bit shallower comics wise😅
Considering my first experience with SM being the animation of the 90's
I just dont like MJ she adds almost nothing to every single story i have read other than being whiny or the eternal damsel in distress
While in every singe story i have read Gwen have some connection with him by also being either nerdy or actually understanding
Damn... Reading your whole comment makes me feel bad for enjoying Spider-Man and MJ being separated (and yes, i know my opinion is highly unpopular). But you've worded your comment so thoughtfully that i really can't do anything other than agreeing with everything you've said 😂
@@felipebisi4145 Your opinion is also what i think about Peter x MJ in general. I'm the kind of person that hates when romance is shoved on a story as it rarely ever adds anything substantial othert han just "checking boxes". I feel like Spider-Man shines best when he's single.
Been with Pete since before MJ. I’ve learned, if you don’t like a book’s direction, don’t support it. Don’t waste your time and resources on books that don’t improve your experience with the characters you care for…
There will always be something for everyone.
Spider-Man's status quo basically just continuously reverts to a BND-like status quo. If Pete and MJ won't be together, I do wish they'd just kinda gently write her off. Jut say she's pursuing more acting roles or something (what does she even do anymore? Other than yell at Peter about how she has kids now, I mean). From there, let Peter just have a relationship. Once this run is wrapped, let him be normal Peter a little more, not weirdly aggressive and mopey. Develop him and Felicia, because I forget they're even together tbh. His classic villains seem just kinda thrown in, and then we get random magic/supernatural/mystical stuff thrown in with Rabin and the Limbo stories, I don't really feel like those are well developed. Idk everything about this run just feels really haphazard to me.
I'd rather have Peter be like Geralt from Witcher, just have flings here and there but ultimately end up a lone hero. Maybe raise an adoptive kid like Ciri that could also be his potential successor.
@@artemis1993 NO
I'm not a regular Spider-man reader and I don't believe in OTPs for perpetually published characters. But this is exhausting. Thirty years of this fighting over MJ. Either give the fans the dang marriage or just fridge her. I'm sorry. The Spider-man fandom is like that coworker that keeps interrupting the staff meeting to ask why we don't do holiday potlucks anymore. Yet for some reason, the boss keeps bringing in casserole to tease them. Meanwhile, the Daredevil and Punisher fans are screaming about the great work they're trying to do.
You just reminded me that they turned Frank Castle into an anti-gun Samurai inspired wiiaboo in his current run..
@@MrPikaGammer 😶where did you get anti-gun from
@@ryice944 The Punisher has dropped guns all together and replaced them with blades in the current comics, it's dumb. He explicitly called guns a cowards weapon as if he was Batman.
@@MrPikaGammer no he didn't I remember in that exact run him saying his bullets are his blades and some corny monolog to justifying him using fucking guns while he has powers
@@ryice944 I'm taking about an on going run dude. Punisher's current incarnation.
I never understand the need to keep peter single, i often hear it was to keep spidey as a young related character but isn't that what other are for. Why not make Peter the mature spiderman that Ben Reilly and Miles would look up to. At least that would help make them more different
I believe Zdarsky also doesn't want to work on ASM proper due to editorial micromanaging. He's gotten as far as he has on Daredevil bcuz they aren't as strict with him on that compared to ASM. But yeah, the toxic crawl on the creative team can get mired, I have even said some stuff about them.
I agree on all your points, we need a good creative team on the title that'll revitalize interest and character development. And if they can't fridge her, just give her a spin-off like what Jed Mackay did for her & Black Cat. Then once they figure stuff out, reunite them and give them that next step fans have longed for.
honestly for me my favorite recent Spiderman comic has to be lost hunt which was really awesome and tons of fun and plus was a great story with peter parker and mary jane being married and even cooler she's pregnant with baby mayday parker the future spider-girl which was really awesome and tons of fun.
I completely missed that one when it was coming out for some reason but I'm definitely buying the collected edition, love that JMD is still writing Spider-Man
@@camscomicpulls I can understand and honestly when that thing does come out in trade I will probably get that book as well mostly because like you said its great to see JMD writing Spider-Man again.
I gave up after One more day and never went back.
There have definitely been some great Spider-Man stories since then but I completely understand
I've been pirating Spider-Man since Spencers run ended. I'll read it but I refuse to give them money
My man woke up and chose chaotic good.
@@SonicHedgehog1991 😂
Low key factor why manga is in high demand.
Marvel forcing Spiderman to stay single so as to appeal to kids is why a medium where most artists are forced to both appeal to children and deliberately neuter their stories so they can go on for thousands of chapters is in demand.
They could literally do a focus on his story, get his family, get his kid, you can do so much story with spiderman and his kid also having similar powers, training the kid to be a hero too, growing to the point where they "pass the torch" and now there's new and old villians to explore and it's just good fun for old and new generations alike.
It's so rediculous how keeping Spider-man single is a good idea when they could be making so much more by exploring them getting a family. Peter is suppose to be a relatable character going through hardship and making success in it. A shining beacon, but all I see here is just disappointment and a reason to never try because Spider-man never get's his W in these comics.
I'm glad there is some stories out there where Spiderman has a child, they really should focus on that instead, there's alot of potential in making stories with it.
I don't get why writers would be making a story and talk about how much the fans will hate it, like don't you wanna make something people like. From a corprate stand point, rage bait sells, but why would creatives ever wanna be that person that purposely makes something people will not like. Like whenever I make something I want people to like it, not go out of my way to make people hate it.
I mean this shit with MJ is coming from editors, maybe he realize how awful this shit, but he can't do anything with this (wouldn't change bad writing, but still)
One solution and only one cause I saw in the comments below and I figured I wasn't alone in this. Make Paul Mephisto and then have a storyline that undoes *EVERYTHING* that has happened to Spider-man since One More Day and make it all fixed where he and MJ are married again and they're expecting their first kid. Or have it that Paul is an agent of Mephisto, whatever. I just wanna see Peter's life get fixed. and also, kill Paul. brutally, ruthlessly and just have him be erased entirely. they got his kids the other day, so let's finish by mopping up with him.
I'm so glad I stopped reading comics (regularly) years ago; seeing Spider-Man being beaten & broken, begging his assailant to stop, was heartbreaking. This current need to deconstruct the heroes that we loved into broken, fallen characters is old. I read comics (especially the original Amazing, Spectacular & Web of Spider-Man series) to escape & be inspired, not to see some hack writer tear them apart in order to make a name for themself.
I agree about Straczynski's Spider-Man run. It's honestly my favorite modern run. Though probably helped that they were the ones being released at the time when i really got into comics again after a few years away. You are right that the earlier stuff in that run is the strongest, but i enjoy all of it. Really loved the whole mystical nature of the spider-man, with the stories about the first spider-man and stuff. But I know that's a divisive opinion. I grew up reading the silver and bronze age Superman comics, so i love when comics get really weird. I kinda wish Marvel had the balls to do that in a movie. But we'd have to wait a while till Pete is old enough to become a teacher.
I love that no matter how much Marvel editorial and writers try to keep Peter and MJ apart, the public consciousness will never let go of the idea they are meant to be together forever. They are simply the most famous couple to ever come out of comic books.
If One More Day ever gets undone, I'd love if they brought May, the baby, back alongside the memories of the marriage. To see something even remotely like Renew Your Vows in the main continuity would be fantastic
Sadly, it was half-hearted undone. Also, the baby is still gone. So no May Day Parker... :(
Superman and Lois Lane are more famous.
You're right on that, for every 10 books DC or Marvel puts out that isn't great there's always one or two titles that are soon to be classics. I've been around comics long enough to know comics will not die because Spider-Man hasn't been good lately, but things do have to change. Little kids like to watch a hamster on a wheel for a little while but watching something you like running in circles with no real goal gets boring. Spidey has been running with no goal for far too long, it needs to stop because if you think watching him living married life can get stale try watching him live the same repetitive cycle and not learning anything from it.
The weird thing is that everything in the Spider-Man universe is good accept the stuff going with Peter? Miles and Venom book is good, hell Red and Gold Goblin are also better then Peter. a Venom book shouldn't be better then a Spider-Man book let alone some goblin nonsense.
fully agree, and don't forgot all the great Black Cat books from the past few years!
Another Solution: The real Peter and MJ step out of the airport, and receive a call from Ben Reilley about a crazy cloning debacle. Wells's "Peter" and "MJ" instantly melt into goop the second they make eye contact with the real ones. Paul was just an illusion. Everything goes back to pre-Wells Spider-Man.
At this point if they are going to go down this route I say double down and have black cat have spiderman child. With how crazy this run is going I say do all the dumbest, weirdest, rage inducing thing ever.
Never understood why they never explored black cat x peter. She's like the 2nd most important woman in pete's life and recently has shown to be a very reliable partner not only in combat but also supporting him emotionally and helping to protect pete's fam
This is a testament to why DC's kicking it in the comics
It’s almost like Marvel uses Spider-Man’s misery to sell comics
My issue with "modern" Marvel (well before the current crap), was they stopped treating them like actual people. From the 60's to probably the late 90's, Peter went to high school, went to college, graduated, lost his girlfriend, got a job, found a new girlfriend, got married, had emotional breakdowns, etc etc... and most of the stories somewhat take place in a timeline, with a degree of continuity. Sure, they lacked consistency, but there was at least a feeling the characters were getting older, character's that died were remembered, events that took place in the past impacted later titles, with either villains returning or leaving some sort of impact.
But around 2000 when Spider-Man came out in theatres, all the characters in Marvel started to become more like The Simpsons. They stopped aging. Their timelines stand still, everything/everyone becomes a prop, dead characters come back or they reboot comic titles. Everything starts to become far more commercial.
My other big issue is just the quality of art. It's proportionally wrong, the heads and facing are so inconsistent. MJ's eyes aren't even lined up correctly in that "Kiddos!" image.
The leaks/news about who ACTUALLY dies in #26 made me drop the book for good. No point in reading something I haven't really enjoyed since the first arc that I know is just going to make me angry. Instead I binged through all of Ultimate Spider-Man and sweet jesus, the run of Clone Saga through to Ultimatum Requiem is one of the best comics I've ever read. Ever.
Dang, I don't like the modern run at all but I'm not a super hardcore Spidey fan so as upset as I am, it doesn't feel like the end of the world.
That being said, I completely empathize with the the pain and suffering expressed by diehard Spidey fans, it was the exact same pain and suffering I experienced when I saw the Last Jedi, a pain that has dulled but is still ever present in the disappointing reality that is modern Star Wars.
Fans of all franchises deserve better, we just want to read/watch/play things that are enjoyable, it's so cruel and malicious when creators deliberate make something they know fans will dislike. Like would you want to deliberately make your readers/viewers sad and upset? Like that's just being mean, it's how bullies act.
Great video, i love your perspective. Rather than allowing ourselves to focus on hate, which is what marvel wants obv, you remind us that there are better things to do. I'm sure someday eventually spidey will get his day. But til then lets just read actual good comics, like prev spidey runs and other current comics.
It's a shame Zeb's been getting so much hate, his run on Hellions was one of the best comics of the last decade as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping this MJ plot is being done to finally resolve the marriage nonsense, tie in the teases about Peter's soul from the previous run, the kids (which we now know AREN'T MJ's biological children) turn out to be some kind of Mephisto scheme, and have the resolution be some kind of fake out; Peter gets wife MJ back but Aunt May finally dies for real. We've seen Spidey and Osborn almost grow to being friends since his turn to good, and I think a really impactful way to upset that would be to call back to the Mayday twist from the end of the Clone Saga, reveal that Norman's been keeping the baby's out there in a stasis tube or something, and that's what Mephisto's been really after all along. You end up with a sort of factory reset of the series, Married Peter and MJ with a toddler, a return to an evil or maybe just a guilty Norman, and a new Spider-Girl comic set in the future after so long of not having one.
Exactly what happened to Ben Riley that caused him to go through character assassination?
he got some goo splashed on him at the end of the beyond arc that made him all evil and became chasm. he was mad about pete not giving him his memories back even though the whole thing could’ve all been solved relatively easily
@@cameronf7566 I feel like some folks at Marvel dislike both Ben and MJ, but they can get away with messing with Ben more. Jesus Lord
Imagine Greg Capullo drawing Spider-man
Nick Spencer's 2018-2021 and Dan Slott's 2011-2014 is the best amazing runs we have got so far.
I'm glad that I followed your rec. Tom Taylor's Nightwing is a good read.
I'm at that point where I don't care if Peter and MJ get back together or not. I'm just pissed because I'm 100% certain that they'll end up breaking up him and Black Cat too.
Yes! Tom Taylor's Nightwing book makes being a superhero look like fun! Great characters and well-plotted. I recommend it!
Well to be fair, Nightwing is a swashbuckling hero, so he’s kind of fun by default.
Spidey can be fun too.
I think your video is very well written and edited. And it has a lot more effort compared to the other videos covering Zeb Wells' run. Personally I avoided buying it just based on a hunch. Mainly the "WHAT DID PETER DO". Crappy shock value vibes. At least Slott progressed his characters.
Who?
The "new" New Warriors?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a fantastic video! I loved and agreed with everything you said. I greatly look forward to your future videos. Definitely earned my sub.
15:51 ya I won’t lie it is fun tearing into this train wreck every storyline has something new to talk about and that does amount to something even if I do wish it was better
Love the post, credit scene! Post credit scenes ARE the meaning of life!
This big problem is that Marvel seems to want to keep Peter a "swinging" single. Having Parker married takes away any flash out of nowhere relationships or jump off booty calls.
I think that it’s editorial. Wells has done some decent work on Spider-Man before . It feels like he’s working under at least some constraints here.
That's why I'll never say he's a bad writer. Even the story where he originally created the "rabum alum" character was really good
As for who I'd like to see take over Amazing Spider-Man, I would love to see Patrick Gleason write & draw. He's co-written the best modern Superman runs of all time and his issues of Spider-Man Beyond were the best of that arc. The only way I can see Tom Taylor on ASM is if editorial has a tight leash on him. I like most of Tom's writing but sometimes it can dive straight into preaching territory. I think Jed MacKay would also be another great choice. His Moon Knight and Doctor Strange runs are both really good. And of course, Chip Zdarsky on ASM would be the dream.
As for artists, Carlos Gomez would be a great choice for ASM. His work on Amazing Mary Jane and Xterminators was great and he's PeteMJ for life. Gleason would also be great. I feel like Marvel has underutilized Gleason ever since they brought him over from DC so I think it would be great to see him draw more books than be wasted on variant covers. Carmen Carnero would also be a great choice. It'd be cool to see more female artists on bigger name books like ASM. And she's drawn a few issues of Miles' book back in 2019. So, she'd be perfect.
And, yeah. Making ASM a monthly title would absolutely be beneficial for the artists.
This is an excellent video. You had a clear critique but didn’t fall into benign negativity
thank you, that was something I was definitely aware of and tried to avoide when planning this video
I haven't read since original Superior Spider-Man. But I've on and off been interested in getting back into it... But have no idea how to follow. There are so many #1s and the volume system is confusing.
And this current story is even more confusing. What in the WORLD is going on.
your voice is soothing and your content is good, keep it up :)
i'm one of the OLD hardcore fans. I gave up after the clone crap. Came back when the real Pete came back. Then with the one more day crap and the body switcheroo stuff...I've been done for a while. Somehow tonight, I ran across what's currently being going on and it's the same crap... I'm in to see what happens.. then I out again...
I have to know what you think of the news about #26. Although, if you hate spoilers or whatever or don't want to share it before the issue comes out, that's definitely understandable.
Or just don't care, lmmmaaoo.
Yeah I saw the leaks and what they did is incredibly wack. Feels like they purposely damaging other characters for no apparent reason. And that character is a really important one for a lot of people and whose original series I love! So yeah, incredibly wack and I won't be buying it.
I've been reading Spider-Man comics for 37 years. Literally. I remember going to the local apothecary with my mother when I was little. I used to get pneumonia every bloody year until I was in high school. We'd go to pick up my prescriptions and my mother would let me get $5 in comic books. Amazing, Spectacular, and Web were all running so I'd grab 2 or 3 months worth of them which usually wiped out my $5 bucks (9 comics, $0.65-$0.75 each) and I'd read them over the course of the week I was out of school. I was a pretty avid collector from 12-25, then comics themselves hit a wall, even though there were still a ton of exceptional titles out. They had just nailed it with the two Secret War runs along with the Infinity Sagas where they could just tie titles into those and they would sell a million+ copies during a *bad* month. Obviously that couldn't keep up, but that drain, the one that almost bankrupt Marvel and every subsidiary they owned, was nothing like it is now.
Before there were literally too many great stories to keep up with unless you could afford $300 or so a month. That was a *LOT* of money for a kid-young adult in the '90s making it impossible for most people to stay current, they overextended themselves horribly bad, and even though *_most_* of the stories were good, they were often just too hard to follow. Even Secret Wars 2 had something nuts like 85 critical tie in comics along with the 12 SW comics. That's nuts, and it only got more expansive as time went on. *Now* it's like they simply can't find good writers. Lol, yes, there grammar and spelling may be exceptional, but their story telling ability just isn't up to par with the _decent_ fill-in writers from the 60's, 70's and 80's, never mind the full time mainstays. I'm a pretty good writer. I wrote for a local paper in a small city of about 125K. I've had a few things published in fantasy mags...all before I was 20. I'm a far better writer now. That does not mean I would make a good Spider-Man writer just because I am also a fan. SO when I say that Jeb is not telling the best stories, it's not an insult to his writing skills as a whole, it is just stating that he is not all that great at telling Spider-Man stories.
The thing is, I don't know if he even wants to be. He knows what fans want but would rather catch syphilis, lose his hair and go blind than give it to them. Marvel's editors apparently feel the same way. Lol, it's like when they get on a roll that the fans like it is a fluke, an emergency meeting is called and they pivot as quickly as possible.
Now I could get into all the conspiracies about where Disney is getting all their money and why they can still push ridiculous propaganda that makes the US a far worse place to live, a far more divided place to live, a far more racist place to live than at any other time during my lifetime, but we'd be here forever. The fact of the matter is the comic is objectively worse than it was a year ago, which was objectively worse than 15 years ago, which was...well you get the gist of it I'm sure.
Now will Spidey end up with M.J.? I'm sure he will at some point. This weird phase the US entertainment industry...well just about every industry atm due to DEI pushed by the WEC and all of that nonsense will be pushed out eventually. Whether it's bc of a change in governance or...well that's probably what will end up happening due to our our of control Gini-Coefficient and no country in recorded history besides the US ever having a GC over 0.40 for two decades without one. Not Rome, not the Spanish, Portuguese, Mongols or English...every world leading empire lost their spot and/or had a change in governance leading to a shift in cultural opinions, typically reverting to attitude that were prevalent a half century or so previous to their degradation which led them to said fall from grace.
So yep, I still have faith in comics and the mythology of hope they are supposed to create. Good triumphing over evil, heroes doing the things we wish we could. Giving us dreams of the unachievable to shoot for, where failure isn't not meeting those goals, but in not trying to achieve them to begin with. A happy ending doesn't always have to be someone getting what they wanted. Sometimes it is getting what they need. Spidey and Mary-Jane may not always want one another, but for the story to work, they do *need* each other, and the sooner Marvel figures that out, the better all of us will be.
There are only two ways to undo OMD - 1) Hard reboot, akin to something as drastic as putting him back in HS (which Marvel would LOVE, they could just redo the first 100 issues over and over) or 2) Have Peter (and maybe even Otto?) uncover the work of Mephisto.
I personally would love Otto revealing his deal with Mephisto to Peter and having Peter's memory somehow jarred enough that he recalled his own deal.
great video! i haven't been back to spider-man since OMD, i grew up reading spider-man in the JMS era so it was really a punch in the gut to go through that arc. but i love how you pointed us in the direction of some good spider-man stories, so i think i'll get back into spider-man with those suggestions 🍻
It's become harder for me to get the physical media since I've moved from the city to the burbs. Mainly marvel and dc unlimited and Comixology. Only grab the actual issues when it really slaps
I dropped this book at #24. I just couldn't anymore. Comics are already getting expensive as heck, and to have been dragged on for a year with this whole Peter/MJ/Paul stuff and Spidey stuff that was just not fun? Yeah, emphatic pass until a new team comes along. Or, better yet, a new Spidey-Office that doesn't have any standbys for One More Day.
Enjoy Renew Your Vows, Maximum Carnage is still a good junk food comic arc for me that I do go back to, Ultimate Spider-Man is a terrific run (a few hiccups not withstanding), and... honestly, it feels like anything outside of 616-universe Spidey puts me in a good place. The Sam Remi films still hold up for the most part (again, a few hiccups not withstanding), Andrew Garfield is at least a good Spider-Man in his movies, the MCU trilogy got better as it went on, and the two Spider-Verse movies put me in my happy place.
Great video! Really enjoyed your thoughts here
There are a lot of bits and pieces that I would like to read in the current run, but it just so horrible over all that I refuse to buy it.
They should bring back MC2 and Spider girl
hard agree!
this really sucks that this where we are right now with the comics, which is a shame because spiderman media outside of the comics is firing on all cylinders, from movies to games to even shows, I am right?
You basically expressed how I feel. This Spiderman run has been weird.
I haven’t been able to read Spider-Man comics ever since OMD, it’s just degenerated info misery porn. Which is tragic because Spider-Man used to be tied with Batman as my absolute favorite heroes.
I have no problem with Peter getting back with Felicia since I've been a fan of the two of them since the 1980s, but doing it this way, by destroying Peter and Mary Jane, is way too extreme. They could have just gone the polyamory route. 😉
I honestly don't hear much ppl raging, it's more "ohh, I don't care anymore." I don't know how trashing your own characters and actively despising your audience helps any company. Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Witcher, Lord Of The Rings, are all trash, then ppl make nonsense excuses, like "super hero fatigue" no it's horse shit fatigue, My hero academia, One Punch Man and other manga or scifi franchises prove, the audience is there, they're just rejecting crap plus it helps when your staff isn't insulting the community over legitimate concerns.
I stopped reading ASM after issue 21 (the beginning of this arc) not because I hate this run but because I knew this would frustrate me week after week. Probably gonna get the rest of it once 26 is out.
As for my thoughts on the run overall, it's not bad but it's definitely not great either. The only word I can use to describe it is mid. When it's focusing on one specific villain, like a "monster of the week" type story, that's when the run is at its best. I can admit that Wells writing villains is his strong suit (example: his Hellions run). I don't think he really understands Peter.
Hellions is excellent so I'll never say he's a bad writer, just not a good fit for this book. I even thought everything with Tombstone was great as well, definitely the strongest part of this run so far
They're not letting Spider-Man grow as a character, that and coupled with that he's been in the same environment, with the same villains, with the SAME GOALS just... got stale. Spider-Man will always be relatable, that doesn't mean he has to be stuck at 20yos struggling to pay his rent for the past 30-40 years because thats what sells. I feel like, unless someone with some competence, with a less judgmental editorial staff, that's we can see a good Peter.
Like, Miles is in character purgatory, a lot of Spider-Men exist in JUST 616. This whole universe is a mess and this is all because Marvel is too afraid to step out their bubble and try something new for once and it's so annoying.
Interesting video! I'm pretty bummed out when it comes to this current Amazing Spider-Man run after having finished #25. It's rage baiting alright. It's more about the gimmick than good storytelling. Even what happened to MJ in that weird dimension is just told in clip notes. It reads like a summary of a story. There's no real storytelling and no depth to the story or the characters. I didn't feel like making a video about it, just because I don't want to give the book anymore attention.
I think the only thing that actually offends me in this run is how they literally have Peter get his ass kicked by tombstone forced to BEG just to show how pathetic he’s become. So disrespectful to a character that deserves so much more.
I've been reading Spiderman since I was a kid in mid-90's. I love Spiderman and I'm been through some bad times but this run is the absolute worst. I stopped reading after issue 900 but I kept reading about it because I want to enjoy it again. Everything I read about it just makes me hate what Wells is doing more and more. He destroyed Ben Reilly, one of my favourite characters. Slott screwed him up enough when bringing him back and that was followed by a brutal solo series but fixed with Spidergeddon. I was loving when Ben was made Spiderman again in Amazing... only to end with Wells screwing him over worse than anything else.
But thats not the worst of it. The entire characterization of Peter has been brutal. Especially getting the FF to hate him, it makes them look like terrible people. Everyone is a terrible person in this run. So Peter steals a gadget from them - you'd think that based on their own experience with the crazy nature of being a superhero they might try talking to him to see what was going on instead of being a bunch of douche bags. Peter beats on Captain America (who was being rather reasonable int he situation) and you'd think Peter might say something like Hey can you send some Avengers to help me with the important and time pressed situation I'm in. Cap should have understand, having been in equally if not more crazy situations in his life and trusting Spiderman. Nope, everyone is a complete jerk in this run.
MJ is like, I'm stuck in this dimension, may as well have kids with this guy I'm with. Maybe it's something else since that story isn't over but it's stupid.
Now he's killing Ms. Marvel. Oh good, another character I would be following if there was an ongoing series is now dead. Sure, she'll be back in a few years or whatever, everyone is eventually. I had to wait nearly a decade for Nova to come back and then barely be touched since.
Yes, I'm bitter and upset and ranting about it on youtube. Yes, I'm that guy right now. I'm self aware about it. But this is where I can express my opinion so there you have it. if you're into this run, go ahead. I think it's worse than OMD and Past Sins. At least Peter was likeable in those stories.
It seems to me like they want to make Peter into the fans that grew up with him. Midlife/identity crises, loss, etc. We can't pass a ..."pre-modern" Peter onto the next generation of young readers/watchers, so they make him into the withering torch to be passed.
Plot twist, peter ends up with jean grey
comics by perch has said the biggest problem with comics isn't nessasarly the stories, it the distribution there's really no way for the average reader to to get heavily invested in comics. I the price alone is just insane its gotten to the point were the trades are now cheaper than the single issue and the only place you can buy them is either comic shop wich are quickly going out of business or unreliable online comic websites, and their not even being treated like a big thing anymore even by there own companies despite comics being cheaper to make over the top stories than like a live action movie,
The “What did Peter do?” Advertisement reminds me of DC “Bendis is Coming!” Garbage marketing ploy
i forgot about that teaser, lol what a time
It just seems like Marvel writers just want to make every aspect of Peter's life miserable for some reason
In spite of absolute bat shit insane stuff going around in Chip Zdarsky Spectacular Spider-Man, this is one of my favorite Spider-Man Stories that I happen to read few months early. Also, I'm happy to say, that few days ago, I finished original Ultimate Spider-Man run(2000-2009), and Ultimatum event wasn't that miserable to read unlike of current Spider-Man run. Also, in waiting of 25th issue of current run, I decided to read Beyond Storyline, with... Wasn't greatest storyline, but I had a good time while reading it. And when 25th issue came out, it was also time to catch up with pervious 4 issues, and yeah... This $h!t is not good!
The problem is that this is the top selling comic in the world.
You mentioned multiple times in this Video that the current Nightwing run is loved by everyone, which is just not true. I have seen multiple critisims and in general people stop reading the curent run because it got to generic after Fearstate was concluded. And the last 10-ish Issues have been alot of Teen Titan stuff so not really Nightwing centric. I liked when Tom Taylor picked up the run, but in my eyes i could have only been going up because we had "Rick Grayson" so the current run in my opinion is just avarage and not anyting special.
But I did enjoy the rest of the takes in this video, just wanted to share my side of the Batfam/DC stuff.
Honestly the symbiote/venom books are overall more consistent then the current peter parker book.
Heck even miles current book is better.
Basically, most of the spider-man spinoff books are better than the current amazing spider-man book.
I’m 100% with you on pretty much everything. I think the hate is a little ridiculous and if you don’t like it, just don’t read it or find other stories that are good. There’s plenty out there. Miles is doing great, Moon Knight is awesome right now, Daredevil is fantastic, there’s plenty of good stories being told that are at your fingertips.
And everyone who’s going out of their way to harass those who enjoy the current Spidey run and the people making it are not the good guys. It’s just making everything worse and there’s better ways to get your voice heard. Vote with your wallet and let them know why you aren’t buying the book anymore
Dan Slott defended Zeb Wells run by saying everyone protested against Doc Ocks Superior Spider-Man but the sales were high and after they stuck the landing it became a beloved run.
So mmmaybe there's a point there. But I absolutely hate it so far.
I thought uo a crazier theory. What if Paul is actually the alternate universe's Spider Man who lost everything on his world and that is why he is acting the way he is. It's his way of teaching his other self not to make the same mistakes and maybe MJ knows this and could actually be trying to help which makes one wonder about the marage itself if it's to keep the truth hidden for now like in MGS4. Yes I know that sounds crazy and could be wrong but I just got that feeling.
Just subbed to ya. Great Spider-Man video!
Thank you so much!
Peter should have a suicidal arc cause that seems to be what marvel wants. Would make spidey more relatable with everything going on with his stories and be more endearing when he figure’s everything out
i had to drop it, and moved to nightwing. Such a good choice.
It's actually hilarious how soon after this video came out with all the praising of how DC is treating Wally West that they killed him off in the dumbest way possible.
I know what you mean but I'm willing to bet that's gonna end up being a big fake out. Wally has been through wayyy to much the last few years for them to casually kill him off that way, in my opinion. Plus Tom Taylor doesn't really strike me as someone to treat his characters in that way.
@@camscomicpulls Tom Taylor absolutely is, you see the dumb ways he killed everyone in Injustice and DCeased. And as for Wally going through too much the last few years Nightwing is a perfect example of how it can always get worse. Interrupting the Kyle Higgins run to fake out kill him and start up the terrible Grayson arc. Then when he gets his identity back and Tim Seeley gets the book he gets shot in the head because Tom King wanted a dramatic story and DC thought letting him do whatever he wanted was a good idea. So we twice lost stellar writers for the character to get crappy arcs about not Nightwing. DC are determined to make dumb decisions lately, so I'll wait and see how this all turns out.
This is Jake Parker…. Not Peter Parker
I think donny cates would be a great choice too. With stegman on art.
its funny you mention that, I met Ryan Stegman at Boston Fan Expo last year and he told me that a lot of fans will pitch them together on that book. It makes sense, Spider-Man has some great moments in their Venom stuff and Stegman did a great job during both Superior and Renew Your Vows
Honestly this entire run of Spider-Man its so bad it ain't even funny but just sad and depressing because I love this character and I hate he has been suffering all of this garbage, like personally for me I would rather have Peter parker and Mary Jane have there daughter Mayday parker Spider-girl alive and kicking in the mainstream marvel universe similar to what DC is doing with wally west and his family is doing amazing right now in the mainstream dc universe with wally west being a great father to his three children and a great husband to his wife Linda park which I really like and just proves to me that marvel should seriously take some notes from DC right now and apply all of these great ideas from the flash and transplant to Amazing Spider-Man would be freaking fantastic at least in my opinion, also a bonus having all the 5 super kids Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne Robin teaming up with Wally's kids irey and Jai west is freaking amazing and proves to me that DC should seriously make a super kids book with all the kids from the dc universe would be freaking fantastic at least in my opinion.
I agree with literally all of this lol. I actually started reading that Flash run since I've published this video and I 100% get it. I love that book and I've never been a Flash fan
@@camscomicpulls lol indeed and honestly I can agree with that. ;)
i couldn't agree more, please people stop buying this comic we need marvel to undertand its terrible storyline. peter can't get a fucking break let's not talk aboult the complete destruction of ben reilly charater good lord I need my spiders back
Keep spiderman happy - impossible challenge
Yeah I’ve been getting omnibuses of the silver age stuff but I also just got volume 1 of the Spencer stuff . Figured that be another good place to check out as a non fan of what’s going on with spider-man for awhile . I agree they will probably kill mj just to sell books when they should have petter back with Mj
The best way to fix Spiderman is to bring back his dimension Gwen Stacy, literally the most stable relationship he had in the comics until the green goblin throw her from a bridge, our boy deserves his happy ending damn it!!!
Wow what a great channel!
I haven't heard of this discourse until now
Dan Slott and Joe Quesada ruined Spaider-man forever with the "One More Day" (OMD) & "Brand New Day" (BND) storylines from 16 years ago in 2007. The most annoying thing is they keep bringing back this talentless Corporate Hack to further the ruination of Spider-man. Even after that disastrous run in 2007, they were involved with the Marvel Spider-man cartoons. Let's face the facts "The Ultimate Spider-man" and "Marvel Spider-man" cartoons, except for a few episodes here and there was complete garbage. No one ever tried to resolve the contractual issues regarding the "Spectacular Spider-man" cartoon. For the last 13 years, Marvel Spider-man comics and cartoons have been terrible. There's no doubt about it. Slott realized he ruined Spiderman comics with OMD and BND, so he made the pitiful attempt to redeem himself with the "Renew Your Vows" 25-issue limited-run comic. Spider-man comics never recovered from OMD & BND storyline. Even the current Vol. # 6 of "The Amazing Spider-man" (TASM) is going off the rails and will probably kill off MJ. Marvel is a dead comic book company, just like DC. If a kid would come up to me and ask what comics he/she should read, I'd recommend trying Manga. I don't read Manga, but from all the TH-cam channels Manga has to be a superior company to DC and Marvel.
😮you understand there's other things besides spider-man to read like so much more
@@ryice944 I agree, but regarding comics, Spider-man is the only character I'm interested in. I read novels now as an older adult like the Reacher book series by Lee Child. Per skinning what has happened to the main characters of DC and Marvel, I'm no longer interested in following those characters. Instead, I read novels by authors like Charles Dickens, Lee Child, Timothy Zhan (before Disney voided the Legends Canon), and Edger Rice Burroughs who wrote characters like John Carter and Tarzan. So it that's what you're referring to as I stated, I agree. There's more to read out there than just the comics of DC and Marvel.
This is why i just read Miles and Spider-Gwen
It is impressive how Marvel is literally scaring away its buyers, even I feel the need to not continue buying Spider-Man comics, I even consider the idea of if I really like the character
i am glad i stoppoed reading at the middle of nick spencer run. i do want to complete spencer's run but man this does not make me to want to continue