Marvel Cancel Awful Spider-Man Comic For Good
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Spider-Man fans realized Zeb Wells' Amazing Spider-Man run was trash a long time ago. Marvel Comics finally caught on and decided to cancel one of the worst runs in Spider-Man history. Zeb Wells introduced many new characters and ideas in his Amazing Spider-Man series and not a single one will be remembered as good. Wes explains why Marvel needed to cancel Zeb Well's Amazing Spider-Man a long time ago. Marvel Comics cancel awful Spider-Man comic for good.
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I'm still shocked that Marvel allowed Mary Jane to date a guy who committed planetary genocide and gave him the Nuremberg Defense to try to justifie his actions.
This run has been absolutely dogshit and I'm still not even sure if that describes it perfectly. Glad this run is ending.
And then also had comic Mj take on the cheating s**t that Kristen Stewart’s character was. Seriously, she cheated on EVERYONE she was dating in ALL THREE movies.
Planetary Genocide?!
@@samuelrodriguez9801 yes. And Nick Lowe and Zeb Wells had the gall to say that it was comparable to when Peter let the burglar go.
@@devanbarrios9216 Paul committed Planetary Genocide?
@@samuelrodriguez9801 yes
if paul isn't dead by the end of the run then so help me
How would you kill Paul if you had the chance?
@@vorpalinferno9711 oh jeez so many options. defiantly something slow.
Trapping on a fixed time loop when he has to watch the whole Spider-Man run where he married MJ and had their daughter and no matter what he does he'll always dies and rebirns to see the whole thing over again so he realises he never had a chance@@vorpalinferno9711
@@vorpalinferno9711I would have someone like carnage kill Paul just for the lols lol 😂😭
@@vortechx7176 Quartering? or the Brazen Bull?
"I had high hopes for a no name writer because they did fine on another mediocre title". You can put this Wes comment on an infinite loop because it happens so often.
Right, I liked Jed McKay when I read his first 4 issues of Moon Knight, but he turned out to be terrible at anything else he did later, even Moon Knight.
@@MaximusTheMad511 What? Avengers, Black Cat and Doctor Strange are all good. (X-Men was disappointing tho)
@@kaicreech7336 Your standards have lowered.
Nick Spencer didn't fail to make a name for himself as Spider-Man writer. At least not due to his own faults. His run was well-written if somewhat overstretched.
But in reality, his run was screwed by the higher-ups, because Spencer wanted to undo One more day and was right in the middle of it when Cebulski, Lowe and their ilk stepped in. Man had his own story ruined completely. No wonder he left Marvel for Substack.
Except for Boomerang being all chums with Pete. That was some dumb f0cking sh*t. Boomerang has been portrayed as a criminal who won’t hesitate to kill in cold blood for like 40 years. Then all the sudden he’s just Petes annoying roommate and Pete’s fine with that? Why didn’t Spencer just create a new character for that role? Spencer isn’t much better a writer than Wells actually. People just go gaga wanting to see Pete and MJ kiss all the time. Slott was actually good until World Wide(he took that way too far)and that crap clone conspiracy.
Spencer turned Captain American into a Nazi. Hard to trust someone after that
Spencer is a hero for me because he erased Sins Of Past out of canon.
I was as shocked as anyone that he turned out a pretty solid Spider-Man run for a while after what he did with his Captain America run. I was convinced that he was going to do to Peter what he did with Steve and Sam, but I was happily proven wrong. Marvel and Spider-Man editorial just don't know how to make smart decisions. I may not have liked the way he did it, but I can at least appreciate erasing Sins Past. I'd very much like for them to beg Spencer to come back, right the ship, do what he originally planned to do, give actual fans what they want from Peter, and then move forward. I don't expect that, though, because editorial at Marvel across the board insists on cutting off their nose to spite their face. God forbid they actually listen to their audience instead of sneering at them for a change...
At least he retconned Sin’s Past. I count that as a win.
MJ: Its all your fault Peter for why im leaving you! Because of what Zeb Well wrote!
Spider-Man: Wha?! What he wrote?!
Zeb Wells: I dont even know anymore.
Spider-Man has been dead since 2007. One More Day/Brand New Day was an atrocity and we'll never see the character actually return until those responsible for his death in 2007 are fired and all those events are rejected from continuity entirely.
I want all that retconned!
Irrelevant. Removing one trash storyline from continuity does not guarantee good writing quality for future stories.
I like Brand new day and Slott era quite a bit. Added a lot of good to the mythos.
Mr. Negative was cool, at least .
@@stephentheshywarrior2759 I unironically liked Doc Oct as an anti-hero.
I swaer, most of Pete's life issues would go away the moment he cuts off some of the women in his life.
The whole "what did spiderman do ?" thing was dumb. He attacked his friends to get the things he needed to save MJ, when all he had to say was i need it for MJ and it would have been cool.
Everyone was so OOC on that arc that it was infuriating
even if Spidey didn't ask, (let's face it he's done dumber things before) I doubt they'd hold it against when they caught up and figured out what he did it for.
At this point, I believe that not only Spider-Man, but even most of his supporting cast have all become either bastardized or bland versions of themselves.
Peter’s incompetence grows steadily more and more. Mary Jane is a THOT. May is irrelevant. Otto can’t decide whether he wants to be Doc Ock or Spider-Man. Ben Reilly has literally been fumbled harder than I thought feasibly possible. TWICE. Norman is extremely basic and predictable.
With their recent fumbling of Hickman’s X-Men, I have lost all interest, and more importantly: faith, in Earth-616, as X-Men has proven to me that character progression is fleeting and illusionary in the main Marvel Universe.
Moderns writers just don't care about the support characters.
Its funny marvel needs a crisis. just reset all this bullshit they had happen to peter and mj past omd. Just say the stories that were actually popular sorta happened but not always the same way and let peter grow as a person again.
@@mr.protagonist5639
That’s what DC did with New 52, but they backtracked on that, almost completely and even went out of their way to Retcon nearly everything notable to come out of it as well. There’s no point if Marvel is just going to back track, which we know it will.
Please don’t mention how they butchered the layup that was the Krakoan era of X-Men. The storytelling and setup was so beautiful, all for it to come crashing down hard.
I dropped Marvel a long time ago. This isn't good news. Their greatest character is already destroyed. And Marvel's incompetent writers refuse to fix him.
How is their greatest character destroyed?
@@trevturp6891 being a miserable, single, broke and a complete loser who never learns
I mean people are loving ultimate Spider-Man
@@spencerpommier806ultimate Spider-Man is like the one time marvel actually gave us what we want. And they are gonna fuck it up, you just know it.
@@drunkencowboyagniUltimate Spider-Man’s good, Immortal Hulk is good. Most of the Krakoa X-Men stuff is good. Fantastic 4 is good.
the Gang War in the '80's was so much better.
Yeah. That was pretty good.
Because nobody knows the lore of Spiderman except that Peter Parker isn't allowed around Mary Jane.
gang war was one of the most disappointing and horribly written spider-man stories i've ever read. jim owsley had no business being a writer at that point in his career.
It's going to end with typical Zeb Wells: The Amazing TOMBSTONE will beat Spider-Man badly, then he'll feel bad take pity on him, will come out Triumphant, redeemed and become the Tony Soprano of Marvel. Peter will thank Lonnie for sparing him and admit he always thought of him as the brother he never had. Wouldn't be surprised if Wells pulls this shit, he absolutely LOVES Tombstone, he's like Robert Kirkman's continuing hard-on for Negan.
Negan was a great character.
Zeb biggest mistake was trying to set-up a storyline with a weird flashback and then try to explain the events leading to present time. It never quite fell into place and seem very disjointed. I never felt Spider-Man didn’t do anything egregious. The plot simply fell apart. Zeb should have avoided the flashback step-up and trust in his writing skills to start a story from the beginning not in the midddle.
Does this mean yet another Amazing Spider-Man #1 with 156 variant covers, a New Direction to the Same Old Place and continuation of gutting Spider-Man of absolute everything that made him worth reading? I'd sure hate to think Marvel is going to try something different, like a compelling story with well-crafted art.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say yes.
I will give zeb credit for one thing he did in his spider man run. He did create Probably the most evil villain marvel has ever created… Paul.
I will NOT have you slander the good name of the REAL hero of this series, The Paul-Tacular Spider-Paul uwu
@@TECH097 😂
@@TECH097 if you love Paul so much then answer this...if you had a son would you name it after him? 😂
@@Superpooch97 DUH of COURSE Id name him Paul Jr., I renamed MYSELF Paul for him! uwu
to be fair, that wasnt even the first time it happened to peter. so you know, those who dont learn from history...
I just asked the guy at the comic book store if he noticed that, like ivy, Spider-Man had devolved into a non-stop slugfest with absolutly NO backstory. Gone: Mary Jane. Aunt May. The Daily Bugle. JJJ. Peter Parker. The book had devolved into a continuous body-blow fight that resulted in Spider-Man getting pummeled into oblivion with his costume being torn to pieces issue after issue with Peter never once sewing it back together but it being magically returned to its full statis with the turn of a page. Spider-Man sprayed thousands of gallons of web for hours on end without every changing a single web cartridge. He had no place to live and apparently no need to sleep. Just fight. And as you pointed out, he became a guest observer in his own book. What a crock! Oh yeah, I cannot even articulate what the hell happened since Zeb Wells first story (mostly because I didn't care and stopped reading the text a long time ago). Looking forward to a new team and hopefully a book worth collecting because of the story and not the pictures.
well said
The problem i have with Wells' Tombstone is the fact that it's so clear that Wells copied the characterization from the Spectacular Spider-man cartoon.
The problem is that isn't Tombstone.
In the series the team wanted to use Kingpin but they couldn't so they decided to use another gangster type of villain from Spider-man's rogue's gallery: Tombstone.
Lonnie is supposed to be more of a street gangster, an unhinged maniacal bastard and not a cold and rational mob boss
I think this run has been a complete disaster but it's not all Zeb's fault, the morons at Marvel refuse to let Spider-man ever marry MJ again and they needed this stupid storyline/ Paul to make sure it completely ruins their relationship after the last writer almost got away with retconning OMD. So pathetic
but-but....the kids....who never buy comics, anyway.....would start buying Spider-man if he's not married, because they are incapable of relating to a married character! Oh....what's that...? He hasn't been married in 20 years, and it still didn't change sales for the better? Oh.
*Ultimate Spider-Man who's married, is over 30 and has 2 kids:* _Pfffft, amateur...._
Marvel Comics: The readers don’t want a hero who’s married and has a family!
Numerous vocal fans: Bring back Peter & MJ’s marriage and Mayday Parker!
Marvel Comics: Well, we’d better do our best to keep Peter single since no one wants him to be married with a family!
@@grkpektis
Did you know Paul is Zeb's self insert?
Spider-Man died in 2004 and has never recovered.
Why 2004?
One more day I assume, thats when it died for me.
More like 1984 when he brought a brain eating alien home from space. That was the first in a long line of decisions that were out of character for Peter Parker, including making a deal with the Devil.
@@davidfarrington4308 He was still in classic tales with the black costume. .
@@snarferyasmr3739 One More Day was 2007
What the fans aren't expecting is for Paul to get erased by the Ultimate Nullifier, but it is what we're hoping for.
Congratulations to Zeb Wells for making me not Care even less about In Continuity Spider man than I did during Dan Slott's Run . Which is Not at all .
This run was awful but it's hard to get excited as i can see them making it worse for the next run ! Don't trust marvel anymore
Too little too late. They should have ended this awful run a long time ago.
I fear that nobody in Marvel can write a decent Spider-man run in these days.
^ Ultimate Spider-Man is going good.
Omd/Bnd was like a mandate to make Peter Parker a worse character all around and he never quite recovered.
Yes everything was lame after OMD.
I am happy this terrible run is over and garbage but marvel editorial with Nick Lowe are still charge who ruined Everything with Spider-Man badly really badly.
I hope Nick Lowe is removed to the editorial and there's always alot of changes in the editorials and cheif editorials as well creative character editorials of comic books while images comics only have good editors while keeping and having only one editor on comic books while remaining basic to their work instead taking advanced steps like Marvel did that's makes images comics great and awesome.
There’s a rumor that Lowe is leaving in November which I hope is true because I don’t know how much more I can take.
@@Dark-Shadow110 oh i certainly hope that’s the case I really do because damn it that guy has destroyed everything with Spider-Man for years.
My fear is that the next writer will suck too.
@@EvandroACruz i can understand that
His claim to fame was being the least worst X-Men writer at the time. Thats a low bar. 😂
Finally...the nightmare is over.
Ed Mcguinness was given kindergarten tales to illustrate, it was pure shit.
There's something about the Spider-Man editorial that saps the talent from writers. Wells' New Mutants and Hellions are 2 of the best X-Men runs this century, and the latter was written under Jordan White. It was also in the Spider-Man books that Jed Mackay wrote his worst book, that terrible Mary Jane and Black Cat Dark Web tie-in.
i thought his Hellions was written like silly zoomer girly shit.
Mackay has always been mid.
Trying to balance a character like Spider-Man so that he appears relatable and grounded like the rest of us isn’t easy. But bleeding away a character’s happiness and making them suffer the whole time at the hands of loved ones or their own uncharacteristic choices, does absolutely no favors as well.
Well the story was terrible for no reason and Romita jr's art is usually a hit & miss. We're tired of these Miserable Spider-Man stories that leads to nowhere.😢
Let's be honest. We all know the self-insert known as Paul will still exist. I'm pretty sure someone had a screenshot of him in the last Spider-Man game (which sucked) and will most likely be prominent in the next one. Marvel hates their mascot character because they don't want him to be it anymore.
@MaverickhunterXZero
Lol, best situation is Mary Jane stuck with alien kids in a screwed up world after a manipulative Skrull reveal. Karma!
(Oh, and her powers are horrifically revealed to be fueled by tortured human souls captured from the world's Paul and his father genocided. Jackpot baby!)
Why dose Marvel keep insisting that people give a rats ass about Kamala Kaugh
One More Day ruined everything Spider-Man. Sure there maybe some good stories here and there but it really it gets shun by the bad ones. Marvel's insistence in making Peter single is really biting them in the ass as the character is not allowed to develop. God I hope Marvel realize this and get better crratives and editorial as well.
Kinda like how he's perpetually a teenager in EVERY movie series and not allowed to age at all.
The worst run, no... but its bad
Opposing to.....?
Tom DeFalco?
Yeah, i thought JMS was also pretty bad.
and the convoluted clone shit.
I liked the early JMS, JR JR had more energy in his panels back then
@@robinmohamedally7587 Sins past.....but it was all the fault of Quesada.
The same for One More Day. All Joe Quesada's ideas.
Peter does not need to get back with mj or black cat put him with someone new Cindy or spidergwen but doesn't matter not coming back until someone new owns everything and reboot everything hard or they have to fix everything and give a bunch of good runs
Spider-Gwen is love interest of Miles
@animal-rights No
Zeb Wells was great on Hellions what happen to him
Marvel's pathetic desperation to keep Spider-man divorced happened
@@grkpektisPlus the constant teasing. Since OMD they are constantly teasing with MJ. If it was just Peter Parker moving on and MJ leaving the title for good, there would at least be a move forward. But no, they want their cake and eat it by constantly teasing a „maybe they get back together“.
The relationship between Marvel and the Spider-Man fans is by now one of abuse.
He was going through a divorce when he started his Spider-Man run. Basically this whole run was him using Peter Parker as a punching bag for his own failure as a husband.
I think we definitely need to blame JRJR for some of how bad this run is as well. He's an iconic artist, but at this point in his career he might be one of the 10 worst artists doing an ongoing book. If they had a competent artist you might have been able to distract people from how awful the story was, but with him drawing everything about the book sucked
Couldn’t agree with you more! It needed someone like Marco Chechetto…I’d like to see Lorenzo Tametta on art duties!
Romita Jr. peaked mid-Copper era on Uncanny and that was 35 years ago or more smh
I can't read Zeb Wells on anything. His jokes aren't funny and the writing is childish.
His scripts read like he wrote them on one bathroom break.
So glad that garbage is ending. Tombstone was the only one good thing in this run. Everything else sucks in every sense. Ms. Marvel death,Chasm,MJ engaged with Paul,Dark Web,The Gang War and SpiderGoblin. So lame. But who can write a good Spider-man run in nowadays in Marvel?Hickman?Ryan North?Jed Mckay? I'm so afraid that the next writer can make erverything worse.
15 min mark.... go against all of your instincts... had me rolling 😂😂😂
Just don't get our hopes up dat Peter and Maryjane will get back togheter.
The Hobgoblin and Vulture stories were kind of good and fun, too.
That you think Marvel will get a better writer or just better... The Eternal Optimist, Wes.
I'll say this about the Hickman run - the first three issues that focused on Peter and MJ and their family were quite good, imo. I didn't like 4 and 5 as much, but those three issues are what I want to read in a Spider-man book, more or less - Peter and MJ together, building a life together through all the bullcrap. They should be the Blonde and Dagwood of Marvel, so whenever I see MJ with another boyfriend (so stupid), it's like reading Blondie dating someone else.
The Wells' run was not fun. I tried to read it, and it just wasn't very good. I agree that Romita was wasted - his art doesn't look that much worse than his JMS run, but it feels so much better in that run bc MOST of that was at least readable (not all, but most).
Probably one of the smartest decisions marvel has made in the past 10 years
We're nearly there thankfully. Worst comic book run I've ever read.
I’m hopping that the next run they at least go back to the status quo on Peter and Mj’s relationship, since it’s Marvel maybe Peter shows some kindness to some reality manipulator and in return he changes reality to before they break up and he erases Paul and his bastard children out of existence as everyone forgets who he was
I can't beleive Marvel wouldn't invest money into it's Flagship comic to atrach top-teir writer like Nick Spencer, Jeph Loeb,
David Michelinie, Ireally enjoyed his tenure in the 90's created Venom
We can criticize the writers all we want, but until these companies start bringing in new blood that know the characters and actually like them, it’s gonna be more of the same. Same with the editors. Nobody knows the universes anymore.
That won't happen until the companies stop hiring woke activists instead of writers.
Nick Lowe is the problem. They will bring Dan Slott for the 1000 time or Tini Howard. 😂😂😂
Or Leah Williams. Because she’s soooo funny.
I avoided Dan Slott like the plague for the longest time because everyone said his run was so bad, but I recently went back and read parts of his run and the original superior Spider-Man and I have to say, I don't really understand the issue everyone has with it. With the exception of the Parker Industries stuff, I had an awful lot of fun with it. It's miles better than any Spidey run I've read since I got back into comics which was around the start of the Spencer run.
@@kalkella8822 Absolutley agree. Slots run was great until he went overboard with the global bs. It was a bit too far. He should’ve kept the business small. And the premise could’ve worked better. Clone conspiracy sucked too. But over all Slott is actually a much better writer than Spencer or Wells.
I’ve never heard anyone say anything good about this run, I just have no idea what the big 2 are going to do, they don’t seem to be able to get any good writers anymore.
They need to start pillaging writers from Image and other indie studios. A lot of good indie books out there.
@@jimthar17 The problem is most of those writers probably don’t want to go because of what’s been going on at the companies over the last few years, they’d have to offer large amounts of money & they don’t seem willing to do that.
Good riddance! I hated his entire run, the only Spider line I’m buying is the Ultimate line. 😮
jeez who can they even get, My dream writer would be greg weisman for obvios reasons, but I would accept saladin achmed if they take the ryan north apporach and just have him do a single story for a single issue.
Sorry. The whole Paul thing is WORSE than OMD. OMD broke up the Peter and MJ marriage that made it something we wanted to read...but at least OMD didn't assassinate MJ's character...the whole Paul thing RUINED her character.
OMD ruined 20 years of Peter and MJ engagement.Nothing can surpass this.
Also MJ is a super-hero now. Sooooooooo stupid🙄 Just let supporting characters be supporting characters
OMD made Peter do a literal pact with the Devil, and MJ was the one who convinced Peter to do that.
The Amazing Spider-Man needs a new editor who will get Peter Parker and Mary Jane remarried. And have a daughter destined to be future Spider-Girl.
It really has been a poor run. I jumped off about 15 issues back, I can't stand my favourite character stagnating and going nowhere with continual poor storylines. Oh for the good old days of the full Spidey supporting cast and all the drama (and growth even) that it gave you. Marvel editorials stance on the whole Peter/MJ thing truly is baffling, especially given DC moved on with Superman and Batman and allowed both to have kids. I do love Ultimate Spider-Man now, and for exactly the reason that it gives you what you want and feels like it has substance. Joshua Williamson I wonder on Spidey, given his DC announcement?
After listening to your monologue, I'm not hopefull.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Marvel seems incapable of being competent once a year.
And a collective sigh of relief was had by all!
Im half expecting the final twist to be thst Paul was Mephisto in disguise the entire time....
Whenever I look at JR Jr. art on Spider-Man, it reminds me how much I miss JR Sr’s art on Spider-Man.
I didnt find JRJr's faces to be appealing at all this run. Especially when it came to him drawing children early on in this run where they looked like bobbleheads.
While there's technically still time to undo it, if he doesn't his ruination of MJ will overshadow any dumb tombstone story he told. Robbing Peter of any chance of happiness by making his soulmate not actually love him, essentially have an affair, and leave him for another man damages her character to such an extent being ok with Tombstone isn't going to compare.
Can you tell me about why MJ broke up with Peter and how she had an affair? I keep seeing Paul and dont know anything about this run
@@JP-eo8zw Short version, Pete and MJ were moving in together when Rabin attacked. He sent them to another dimension where they meet Paul. Peter finishes a device Paul was working on to go back to their dimension, but it only has enough power for one. He gives it to MJ, but before she can use it Rabin's god Wayep attacks, and to save Peter MJ puts the device on him and uses it. Peter notices that time passed more quickly in the other dimension (one week there was only a day in the 616), and in a rush works with Norman Osborn, steals from the FF, and hits Cap America to finish as soon as possible. He finishes within a couple day or weeks (it's not clear because the story is bad), goes back to the other dimension, and MJ has gotten with Paul while he was away. It's revealed that he was gone for nearly four years in her time, and within 11 months she starts a relationship with Paul. Once Peter saves her, she leaves him officially for Paul.
I say "essentially" an affair because it's not functionally different, but some people object to it. She couldn't break up with Peter because her and Peter were separated, but she does start the relationship with Paul prior to telling Peter she's leaving him. She has no reason for leaving him other than her relationship with Paul, she just chooses him over Peter. This is why everyone objects, because it's telling the reader that MJ's love for Peter is unimportant and unspecial. She just falls in love with someone else and leaves him. Some people try to claim the fake children (don't ask it's not worth the ffort) she had adopted in the other dimension were why she stayed with Paul, but raising kids doesn't require her to sleep with Paul to begin with, Peter would have accepted those kids if she wanted him, and months and months have passed since the kids were deleted and she's both still with Paul and reaffirmed to Peter that she "moved on" from him.
The Short short answer: MJ was left alone with Paul a long time, started a relationship with him and decided she loved him more than Peter. Which is a bullshit OOC character assassination.
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 Bro, thats a garbage script really, he didnt need to steal as i seen it, if he knows Cap and the FF, he could have access to the top minds and tech to save his girl.
Besides, thats a really jerk move to force MJ to move on. She really just started a affair knowing Peter would come back desperate for saving her. Its no different from a wife leaving her husband while he serves in a war.
@@JP-eo8zw There's a reason I consider it worse than OMD. Because yeah, it's total garbage that completely ruins MJ. Your analogy to a soldier at war has been made before and remains basically accurate.
In fairness, Reed was out of town so Johnny and Ben wouldn't let Peter take what he needed, and Cap wanted to question Peter because Paul shoved the dead God (the god was killed by the portal device that sent Peter back opening a huge portal, no explanation as to why Paul and/or MJ didn't go through the portal instead) through the portal and it exploded, so Peter buried his suit because his mask was torn for....reasons....
Look explaining the story is difficult because it's terrible and full of plot holes and contrivance, you got the basic gist correct. Garbage, character assassinates MJ, must be undone.
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 The story being so difficult to tell is proof that its really ill thought. Honestly, like i said, its a very forced way to separate the couple
The point about the God body is so stupid, so its Paul fault that people hate Peter, another red flag from this slimy character.
Marvel: dont go to cons everyone will hate you for killing this character.
Kills Ms. Marvel
Everyone: (collective shrug)
Having Tombstone as a main baddie.... dude move on. The spidey books got me back when they put Ben Reilly on the cover, then F'd him over.... just bad after bad.
Ben is a villain now.
*I really want a Ben Riley and Kaine Parker Spider-Brothers Series*
*It be cool, if Paul was really Mephisto in disguise, in attempts to keep MJ and Peter apart*
*I’m from Japan 🇯🇵 and even I loathe this run*
Nah, Ben should have stayed dead. Peter Parker 75 was a perfect ending to his story.
Kaine was the twisted version of Peter and now they switched it up. Makes no sense
Too many Spidey knockoffs.
That first one is actually going to happen. In August, there will be a new miniseries called Chasm: Curse of Kaine, which will see him fight, and possibly team up with, Kaine AKA Scarlet Spider.
You say that, but I'm kind of done with anything that would remind people, in any way, of "One More Day"
Man you onto something. I actually like your ideas. I want Ben to have a respectful treatment he has not gotten since DeFalco on his retold of clone saga or his figure on Spider Girl
Andrew Maguire. He came and went like a fart in the wind.
I would put John Byrne's run as the worst Spiderman run
Chapter One was terrible.
Omg is he is finally leaving, for me it's the worst Spider-man run let's hope they undo all this horrible run
My Peter Parker is in the backup story of The Amazing Spider Man # 248 from 1983.
Finally. Some good news.
Good job Wes. Reports of your mellowing are greatly exaggerated.
Marvel should change its name to Chasm.
From the mischaracterization,Paul,breaking up mj and Peter,plots points either having disappointing endings or just being uninteresting, and especially the nerfing and making Peter a weak bitch losing to fucking vulture and almost every fight spidey has been in he is constantly almost dying to d-listers when he should be way way stronger he been able to beat a-listers with ease consistently through his history this run will forever be a stain on spider-man’s legacy and I can’t wait to see zeb not be able to get on book because of how dogshit his run on asm has been.
David Michelinie, pleeeeeeeaaaaase....with JRJr as artist...At LEAST,he will be able to draw a more sensible story.
I stopped reading Spider-man after they did Ben Reilly such an injustice. I won’t read any more until his character is permanently redeemed and properly utilised as the hero he is.
Ben Really was ruined forever.There's no more hope to him anymore.
For me it's insane to think that his Hellions run was amazing probably the best book in the Krakoa era period and he's fumbled the ball with the main Marvel Flagship book & I'm more excited for Kaare Andrews Spider-man book who is easily one of the best artists working at the moment
Let’s just hope that this story arc ends with Spider-Man waking up in his apartment only to her MJ showering. He enters into the bathroom and told Mary Jane that what he just went through in that story, Mary Jane marrying Paul and having kids with him, the Fantastic Four and Wolverine turning against Spider-Man, Ms. Marvel dying in his arms and Spider-Man turning evil, as if it were some really bad nightmare. Mary Jane told Spider-Man that none of that is going to happen since she doesn’t know anything about some guy named Paul.
I look forward to every good writer ignoring this run as much as humanly possible moving forward. I didn't think it was possible to be wirse than the post Superior Spider-Man Dan Slott run, but here we are. At this point, I have to give editorial at least as much responsibility as the writer. No matter how good or bad an ASM run might be, it seems that editorial has been at the root of all of the worst things to happen to him since One More Day (arguably since the Clone Saga, but at least they tried to fix things before Quesada had to take his midlife crisis out on the flagship character). Hopefully the new creative team is good, but I'm not holding my breath.
How I'd give the Z.Wells series "closure:"
Who's Paul? Oh, he was a Skrull, and the kids were LMD robots. *"Oh no! Anyways..."*
(PS: Her Slots Luck powers are fueled by tortured human souls, captured from the reality where Paul and his daddy g3n0c1d3d an entire planet, simply because they could. And every time she's used it, someone's soul gets horrifically erased, damned to eternal oblivion.)
So.. that mean... this run is gonne be over soon...right.. Please someone tell me it is over because I'm so happy that I'm crying in tears to see Peter get out of all these bullshits😭
I have another Paul-like figure to remind of: I call him Mary Sue Thug - he had a name, but basically, originally, he was a minor nothing Peter nabbed on his way to marry MJ. Then came OMD and its even more infuriating extension, One Moment In Time (OMIT). No joke - Mephisto as a red pigeon releases Thug and in pursuit, he falls on top of Peter and causes him to miss the wedding. Later on, during the retell of Civil War, he is hired by the battered Kingpin to again try and have Peter shot, only he nearly shoots Aunt Anna, Peter pursues him, the fat dude gets away while taunting, thus driving Peter to do the new history memory wipe. Ugh. I swear, if he hadn't taken over Marvel media for the 2010's and been cashiered out, Quesada would have given this guy powers and made him a regular 'breakout' villian. Like Paul, he was just kind of there at writer's insistence.
are they just going back and doing all the worst ideas from marvels history?
Everyone hates Paul, but if he was in the Spider-Man 2 video game everyone would love him because we wouldn't have to deal with that version of Mary Jane anymore
Supes comics are dead. The last comic I remember being happy I bought is all pre 2018… The down fall of Marvel truly began when Marvel screwed Over capcom for MVCI. Sure there’s been some good things, but think about everything as a whole after 2019. Maybe it’s just me but the last comic run I read was Invincible cause I wasn’t expecting to wait 3 years for season 2 in 2021. Other than that it’s really old back issues of other comics.
I originally thought Paul was going to turn out to be a bad guy. Someone evil that was hidden in plain sight or something… but no.
Wells was too busy trying to make his version of Batman street level comic stories with gang wars, tombstone… and it failed.
It's funny how ultimate spiderman, the side comic, outsold the main spiderman comic
And what does ultimate spiderman has? A happy married Peter with a daughter
I think the biggest sin is that Paul is a super genius who also helped destroy the planet. Yet despite all that he is a boring character with 0 personality. I'd go as far as to say he isn't even a character. He's a plot device solely used to break up MJ and Peter, and once it was revealed how and why it happened he lost everything noteworthy about his character.
It is not Zeb Wells, It is all Marvel Comics.
Honestly the concept of Spider-man having rhe world against him on a race against time sounds really good, and Peter taking down Cap in one move was awesome.
Under a better direction, this would have been a classic
Two and a half years, WASTED ... nuff said.
I don't want Peter back with MJ. He deserves better than her.
Thank god this nightmare is over. Now if Marvel really wants to bring back readers for a new run on Spider-man they need to hire someone like Peter J. Tomasi , Joshua Williamson , Ryan Parrott, Kyle Higgins or Dan Jurgens who can make this recent run non-canon and start from clean slate.
But will that happen ? Who knows.
Other than that Wes , I don't know if you're a gamer but Capcom just announced Marvel vs Capcom fighting collection which includes all the beat em ups that crossed both companies from X-men Children of the Atom to Marvel vs Capcom 2 New age of Heroes.
And what could be better than this ? Oh how about a sweet blood drenched cherry on top of delicious cake.
And BTW that particular cherry just so happens to be THE Punisher.
Yes , The Punisher is also included in that collection and I can hear millions of Punisher fans screeming with joy and excitement that they can finally play the cult classic beat em up as either the Punisher of the OG Nick Fury.
I haven't read any of Zeb Wells' run on Amazing Spider-Man and I'm so glad I didn't. The last good Spider-Man was Nick Spencer's run on Amazing Spider-Man and most of Chip Zdarsky's run on Spectacular Spider-Man
5 bucks says Well ends it by screwing Spider-Man up even worse
Im glad Im not the only one who doesn't like the Batman Who Laughs. He feels like some edgy fanfiction character that a teenager came up with. But no other character in comic books currently ticks me off more than Paul. I already hate the idea of another Peter Parker love triangle, but if you're gonna do it anyways at least make it interesting. Paul is just some bs contrived character that was made solely to create soap opera level drama! I'd be able to tolerate Paul if he was at the very least somewhat interesting, but he's not!!! Zeb Well's entire run is such an embarrassment. I'm glad I found you're channel. Just subscribed!
Calling it that the new writer will be Jackson Lanzig and Colin Kelly.
The whole Ms. Marvel death to mutant thing is so annoying. I get that it brings over new readers that are watching the MCU, but copying the MCU is terrible for your characters that have already established themselves within their own universe. It just shows that Marvel is willing to sacrifice good storytelling and any character development for gimmicks and money
This has been the most mean-spirited, disgusting treatment of a character as beloved as Spider-man I've ever seen. I don't think I've seen any other fictional character treated as poorly as he has in any other form of media
This constant need to make spider-man weak and pathetic is telling of modern media's desire to do everything they can to make legacy characters pathetic shells of their former selves because they really do hate the fans.
Thank God this utter hack is leaving, he absolutely won't be missed by anyone
Get rid of the editorial staff, they suck too.
Zeb Welles is a talentless hack. We need to go back. Undo the Civil War, which was a massive character assassination. It made Peter dumb, it turned Tony into a tyrant, and others - into cardboard cutouts.
This was very fun to hear as someone who has been following this run from the get go. Spidey has always been my hero the one I love the most and want to see and read about. But have never really been a pick a book up at the shop kinda guy, bought collectios and volumes but recently decided to finally get single issues...and this was the run I started with.
It might be because of that that I am a little more forgiving then most, yeah all the Paul, Dark Web and Rabin stuff was horrible. Also how they cobbled a lazy relationship with Black Cat that no one really put any effort in and felt like they made just to appease seething fans about MJ and also sell Peter and Cat varrient covers. But I liked some stuff here and there, like Gang War was fun just to see Luke and She-Hulk with Peter. Also despite her cheap death I also like Kamala in the book and Rek-Rap is fun.
So while I am looking forward to Welles leaving the book I don't fully hate it. But yeah want some new writer to take this in any direction.
Thank goodness for Ultimate Spider-Man.