What do you guys think?? let me know!!! Also YES I did Arkham Origins-Knight - and base Spidey If you want me to do a Round 2 with Symbiote Pete and SSKTJL Batman let me know
I will accept this on the condition that we can both agree that both game series are fantastic. For me, at the end of the day, both game series and characters are amazing regardless of their power levels.
@@Bankai-bp1qj bro they are! . ..Batman is an absolute badass and represents what a human is capable of (in a fictional exaggerated way ofc) and I think the Arkham games are almost from a game perspective even better than the Spider-Man games, but when you let them Fight till death in fair (and even in unfair terms kinda) Spider-Man destroys Batman completely. Edit: sry my English is very bad I am not native
@@Bankai-bp1qjI’ll just agree on the fact that both never fought against or together in their games ever, hence nobody won so all is good in the end and yes both games are amazing as hell
I hate that people say "Oh, Batman with prep time solos", when the fight should be even. If one gets prep time, so should the other. Not to mention that Insomniac Peter was able to build the Anti-Ock suit in what can't be more than 30 minutes.
Except prep time is literally apart of batman's character. His power is not his gadgets, his money, or skills. It's the fact that he literally plans for everything beforehand or even in the moment. You take that away, it's the same thing as taking away Spider-Mans powers. And I don't care what you say, a man who has devoted his entire life since he was eleven to his mission will always out-prep a dude who only devotes half his time to crime-fighting.
batman is known for his prep time that’s why he’s able to win fights against the likes of superman and survive the likes of darkseid, when batman has prep time he becomes the most dangerous thing to exist and becomes unbeatable , superman himself has said that so even if spider-man had prep time too he wouldn’t win batman has the best prep time in all of comics
@@MuchDrOrangebro....if spiderman got into a fight with Batman and he wasn't holding back he's doing what superior did to scorpion in the comics. Knocked that jaw right off because that shit wasn't armored.
Its still insane to me people still think arkham batman beats insom peter, I dont get whats wrong with batman losing, it dosent take away from his character in any way, but of cource people just dont like having their favorite jero lose
I get where some are coming from but it is silly, and like u said both still great regardless…honestly it’s just silly to even think of them fighting anyway lol
I love the arkham games, but I'm blind sides because Spiderman has one OP power his spider senses everything else with speed, and strength just makes him more of a threat to batman.
So does that mean you think kraven could beat batman since kraven killer spiderman. This is why I hate powerscaling sometimes lol and this feels so biased. Don't get me wrong I feel like it could go either way and it's not just spiderman will win.
@@pixalatedserume well. ..this craven from Spider-Man 2 ps5 would be a very big problem for Arkham Batman, he never faced someone that strong, I am sure this kraven would kill Batman
As the late and great Stan Lee once said (and i am paraphrasing here) "I hate this question, it's whatever I choose, I could write that Spider-Man beats the Hulk, or I could write that the Hulk beats Spider-Man"......basically it is whatever the writer chooses really.....but if we are looking beyond writers, then it still comes down to the scenario both Batman and Spidey are in and many many different variables....so in certain scenarios, Spidey wins, and in other scenarios, Batman wins....it is all so much more complex than just comparing the two
I agree with this and this is what makes dbz style feat comparing so flat sometimes i think it all depends on the scenario more then just power itself but i still think spiderman wins more then he loses if bats has prep so dose spiderman and spiderman has proven to beat people with more tec then him with prep time batman would be out matched in everything but money
@@Popdostythat applies to dc more than Marvel... Marvel has it's good share of villains who actually have quite a good reason for doing what they do... Example: Ultron, Thanos, skrull, gorr,
One guy is really smart and has a bunch of gadgets. The other guy is ALSO really smart, arguable smarter, and has a bunch of gadgets on top of actual superpowers. And that's without giving him a Symbiote that doesn't have the typical Symbiote weaknesses. And that's acknowledging that he is inherently always holding back because of his mentality.
Insomniac Pete is Large town level. He's neither more durable or stronger. How is Pete faster when his best speed scaling is via electricity? Not only does Batman have the same scaling off electricity but he now scales off Superman who LS-MFTL. Bouncing a random thug off concrete is cute, one tapping a Demi-god is Cuter. Pete is also out haxed, Considering Batman can dampen powers, shut off gadets and has the strongest form of fear toxin.
@@Comicedits39 Was Superman in any of the Arkham games? If not, he has no bearing on this discussion about Game versions of Bats and Spidey. Power dampeners aren't some magic device that can shut down powers. Bats would need to already know about Spidey to build ones based around him. And he doesn't have the luxury of prep time in this fight. Power dampeners are a moot point, as the ones he'd have on him wouldn't work on Spidey since they've never even met.
@@Comicedits39 Ok. We're still talking about the Arkham games. Not the whole extended Arkham universe. Superman is irrelevant to this discussion unless he was in Asylum, City, Knight, or Origins.
It’s like the goku vs superman debate all over again, this specific example is like gt goku versus snyder superman, not the strongest incarnations of either character but they’re not weak either but the gap between the two is undeniable, in this context gt goku is the spiderman equivalent, as snyder superman just hasn’t had anywhere near the same feats as goku
Here's where we can agree to. Insomniac Spiderman is more popular in sales but Arkham's Batman won more awards for his video games. 😂. That's the only thing batman beats Spiderman in at this point
Spiderman is specifically said to *almost* be able to lift 10 tons, batman is also specifically said to be able to exert 21,000 pounds of force (10.5 tons) >1000 more than spider man.
@@christianhenry4173Arkham series is also much better as a game anyway. Batman would shred Spiderman in a fight anyway. There’s a reason the Arkham franchise is considered the best superhero games
@@Darwinthegoat2709now don’t act like the Arkham games are perfect games cause it certainly isn’t. And you wanna elaborate on how Arkham batman “shreds” spider-man
Personally i never gotten into the debate of who would legit win there’s gonna be glazers on both sides , both great characters from great games who actually cares tbh who would win 🕷️ 🤝 🦇
@@skell6134 With prep i would say 2 without prep i would say 4-5 but the prep time depends on if spiderman knows about him or not if spiderman is going in cold and bats has prep time it could even take 1 batman but if they both have prep time spiderman stomps him and if its a one on one cold spiderman would stomp him hard thats how i think it would go anyway
Arkham Batman wouldn’t even need much prep time. He makes up plans in like a minute to beat his enemy. Spiderman would be no different, the fear toxin would literally shred Spiderman
@@Darwinthegoat2709Spider-Man would literally just speed blitz, and there’s not much he’s afraid of, the only thing he’s pretty much afraid of is loss, but even then the fear toxin is designed to make someone go crazy, Spider-Man has just as much will power as Batman, so he just wouldn’t go crazy anyway, it’s also arguable he has more will power than Batman, as at punts of the Arkham game he does lose it a couple times, like on the airship and at the end of the game
Why is this even a debate? Either insomniac Spider-Man absolutely destroy Arkham Batman. 😭😭😭 we gotta hard lowball either Spider-Man to give Batman even a chance. Miles can just use his electricity explosion and Peter can just speed blitz.
@@TheGamingRift11 it would be more interesting since Miles is less experienced and has less skills but I still think if he gets a good hit in, it’s basically a body bag. Batman gets 1 shot.
To be fair, this is ARKHAM Batman, Arkham Batman is powerful, but not as powerful as Comic Batman. But, that would be a whole other situation with Comic Spiderman
I agree with this assesment. But, let's be honest, Batman would adopt Spidey in a heartbeat. Acrobatic Orphan with a solid moral compass and a hero-complex with the added bonus of actual superpowers? He'd be unable to resist adding a new Robin to his collection.
finally a sensible comment. why would they even fight lol, they even operate the exact same way and spidey doesnt pose a superman level threat for batman to want to eliminate him
Batman in the games beat everyone of his villains in a single night where spider-man has to beat them over several days the fact that Batman can defeat a girl that has power over nature itself, a undead monster that can hurt superman, a monster that is made out of clay, and a immortal in a single night where spider-man has to defeat a can in a wing suit, a guy thats just in a scorpion suit, and a old man with four robotic arms over like a week it shows that Batman is sort of better am I wrong? Also if spider-man can barely handle Mysterio’s hypno or whatever I don’t think he would be able to handle scarecrows gas like Batman. Just proves he is better prove me wrong.
The whole “beating everyone in one night” is such a misconception He never beats all of his villains. Because some villains are absent in each game Plus he always does it in 1v1s. The only thing that proves is that Batman has ridiculous stamina for a “peak human” It’s such a terrible point to hype up
@@TheGamingRift11lmao are u kidding? He’s talking about all the villains Batman beats in Arkham knight, which literally takes place in one night. He also defeats an entire army that was designed to kill him, that was planned for months by multiple people, which is cannon in Arkham 😂 lmao how is it a “terrible point to hype up.” That’s such a biased thing to say. Maybe Spider-Man would win but still u have to add that if u want to be fair, which you’re obviously not interested in doing.
@@riodelsol3876 Just remember that in the origins batman handled 9 the most deadliest assassins in the world in just 1 christmas night. Even tho Bruce was young to his batman life. Still Pete can't beat Rhino without his boyfriend MIles Morales.. Yup
@@hedonist9249 "Still Pete can't beat Rhino without his boyfriend MIles Morales.." The same Pete who was able to beat Rhino whilst getting jumped by him and Scorpion? Interesting.
Personally, this is one of the best takes I have seen on the topic in a LONG while. People tend to either downplay Spider-Man, downplay Batman, or they just make them seem stronger than they actually are, because they usually don't know how to actually compare feats and strength levels. Thankfully in this video you went over solid strength feats of both characters, and PROVED your case as to why one person would win each category, so, props to you, great job with the video/
7:05 "Always hold back and never kill their enemies" Peter: Proceeds to break someone's neck. Batman: TALK!! NOW!! (After delivering three hundred punches to someone's dome) The finishers in these games are insane XD
They only thing i can say is, batman might win if you give him a month of prep time, but if you put them right next to each other right now, spiderman wins.
Suicide squad game is canon and arkham Batman react to flash. A feat of speed that is enough for peter. Plus I get that people don’t like the game but Batman is not nerf there. The suicide squad is buff
The only reason this debate is still going is because the people who think Batman can beat him will just keep arguing until they find a way to make Batman come out on top; even if that means pulling out alternate reality versions for a cheap W. Cause lets face it, that's the only way Bruce wins this.
Good video and strong analysis but there is one thing I have to disagree with you one; you mentioned that Doc Ock could overpower a base Spider-Man but don’t forget that Spider-Man had just fought Mr Negative and before that dozens perhaps hundreds of enemies and Scorpion & Rhino an hour or two before and was likely emotionally nerfed due to his being emotionally shattered with Otto’s fall. Something else to mention is that Otto likely knew Spider-Man’s suit’s shortcomings since he designed it.
@@TheGamingRift11 while Peter did almost die don’t forget that he was likely holding back slightly in order to to get the anti serum destroyed in the crossfire, was in a new suit so was likely still getting used to it, he was even more fatigued and injured before and emotionally nerfed due to fighting the man who was essentially his 2nd father (figure).
@@SpiderJack99Spidey all ways holds back anyway, plus he would probably know that Dock Ock probably wouldn’t risk destroying the serum aswel, as I’m pretty sure that after he killed Norman he was gonna cure everyone, seeing as he has no use for it anymore, so he would probably be keeping it safe anyway, also Spidey built that suit accustomed to himself, so I doubt he would need to ‘get used to it’ plus it was stated that Dock Ock easily outmatched a base PS4 Peter
Ok so this is something that bothers me with versus debates-- Fristly, Spider-Man would win either way, I have no doubts about that, but I'm in the belief that the CHARACTER of these characters should remain intact. If these two were to fight, it should be THEM, not bloodlusted shells of them. Again in this case I think it's irrelevant, but I think it's just-- kind of silly to add a-- To Bruce at least, impossible factor. Y'know, unless you WANT to count Suicide Squad.
@@TheGamingRift11 true but death battle has this thing were they're now struggling on how to make deaths wholesome and shiz, just make a "who'll win or who'll last. battle."
They act differently every time. You Can’t go by that because it changes depending on the plot. That’s why Spiderman can dodge bullets, but get hit by ordinary humans.
@@TheGamingRift11 See that's actually why I say their character matters for these things. It adds an extra dynamic that makes the battle more interesting. Maybe that's just me thinking versus matches should also be something of a story to tell. It's just a personal gripe though, at the end of the day.
@I-Am-Batman_1988 tbh idek how it would end. For the most part, it's the same outcome, but now fear toxin is in play. Unless you think it's possible for him to resist due to Scorpion's poison.
@@I-Am-Batman_1988 City level scaling, with Light speed - MFTL Speed scaling. Yeah he's clapping Pete, too fast, too skilled, way to smart, and too physically imposing.
Peter in the insomniac comics built a suit that made him move so fast time around him stopped. He designed this suit in a few hours if I recall, IQ wise I don't know how people think humans in DC can compare to marvel 😭
@@Nietz578 Straight delusion, peter makes calculations for every move he takes, is a better inventor, and has better creation feats then batman by a landslide. It takes batman years to prepare to fight super powered people who are above building level
Even though it doesn't matter because arkham batman isn't multi city block level but saying spiderman is 100x than that is kinda crazy. I could be wrong but I don't think otto meant the arms could move at the speed of light I think that's supposed to be the delay between his brain and arms. I also don't think spiderman is 10 times faster than the speed of light as I've literally never heard that in my life and that really wouldn't make sense. Other than that this was an amazing video. I don't like how people pretend spiderman has 0 combat skill and I've seen people say he was just small building level which is just stupid. I think peter is more city block and batman is more small building large building level. But you did a good job giving both of them the benefit of the doubt. I think overall peter is just too strong for arkham batman as I think even though he is clearly a better fighter he needs all the right plays to even get a chance in (this situation) killing peter. Another thing to add as I feel like on paper a lot of characters are stronger than games every let them be portrayed because one moment you could see batman tanking full rounds of guns to getting knocked off a building by a gun shot. Same thing goes with spiderman as (this shit pissed me off in spiderman 2) he outright almost dies if miles wasn't there twice in the games where he would of died from getting drowned by sand to getting knocked out by I think a missile when chasing the lizard. Him dying to a knife is literally dumb too. I'm pretty sure it was just a big ass knife too. So I guess on paper spiderman shouldn't be phased at all by anything batman throws at him, I think if he was literally shot by his tank and batman unloaded just multiple bullets in him it could kill him. But this isn't even taking in symbiote spiderman who would mop arkham batman.
Symbiote is kinda funny argument. MAYBE anti-venom doesn't have it's weaknesses (which would be absurd), but the loud sounds showed symbiote to be some joke in Spider Man 2 (Craven and Miles fight). It might even be considered as a downgrade for Peter honestly. Also why is this about killing specifically?
You guys would think that, since Death Battle & Superhero beat down made the Spider-Man Vs Batman video, you would assume everyone moved on and got better with their lives.
Also I don’t think spider-man’s equipment rivals Batman’s at all because I have yet to see him make a car that can turn into a tank or a jet that can go faster than any normal military jet. Batman’s car can also make earth quakes into the ground just like spider-man
I don’t know if this makes it more in Peter’s favor, but a lot of people don’t mention that under Scorpio’s toxin (which had him hallucinating objects, audio and touching things that don’t exist) still was able to keep his mind straight enough to cure himself of said toxin
If its a suprise 1v1, Spider-Man wins. If its a planned encounter, Batman wins. It's that simple. And yet people will argue on and on saying crap like "Batman can dodge Spider-Man" or "Spider-Man is smarter than batman"(Which is bogus). Like guys, it's not THAT complicated.
@@aza5871 Yea that's what I said. I was saying it's dumb to think batman can magically dodge spider-man or that spider-man is somehow smarter than batman.
That would just be a disadvantege because batman could just use sound to beat him. In my opinion though, if you give batman a month or 2 of prep time he would probably win, but if they fought on the spot batmans dead.
@@ShadowCat_Gamingyou....you are aware the anti symbiote doesn't have weakness to sound, right? And even then it isn't sound. It's high frequency. Which you'd need to prove batman can produce. Not to mention symbiotes are able to adapt to anything and even adapt a limited resistance to their weakness to fully resisting it over time. Respect your opinion though.
@@ShadowCat_Gaming im not fully sure about that. I know the “insomniac” universe venom doesn’t have the weakness to fire. So I’m not sure if the Anti Venom also has the privilege of being invulnerable to sound ways based upon the combined powers of Mr. Negative. Also… I think that the prep time gets a bit overstated. If we’re giving Batman 2 months of prep. We gotta give Peter the same thing. That’s always my rebuttal with Batman vs Superman too. Give them both 1 year of prep. The outcome is the same😅😂😅
one thing at 5:35, otto says neurotransmission speeds under one nano second, as in there’s effectively zero delay between his brain and the arms, not that the arms can physically execute tasks under one nanosecond. he can just control them as if they were his own limbs, if not better than that, but he doesn’t say anything about the speed of the arms themselves in that cutscene (haven’t played the game so idk about the rest).
I don’t wanna take away from the hacking part but keep in mind. Bruce Wayne enterprise has most of the technology in the world and most of the time he’s hacking his own technology. So I’m not sure if the hacking part stands up in a fight at least.
Best stupid claim I've seen is that Arkham Batman can hold his own against Bane, who would crush Pete with no effort...as if Pete hasn't faced the likes of The Lizard, The Rhino and Venom, all of whom have super strength without needing to be amped up on a drug and almost certainly could break Venomed up Bane in half if they really wanted to. To make it worse, they were saying Arkham Bruce would beat comic Pete in physical strength, the guy who has literally punched an armored superhuman's jaw clean off just by not holding back (well technically that was Otto but he was using Pete's body when he did it). As if comic Pete couldn't cave Bruce's skull in with a single good punch.
spiderman doesn't move close to light speed, it was mentioned by octavius that the NERVE SIGNAL (Neuro transmission) was transferred to the arms under a nanosecond, that statment has nothing to do with the arms speed. Also electros shock doesn't move close to the speed of lightning so comparing that to the lighning mentioned in arkham is pointless.
Brotha Batman has literally one shotted king shark who’s can go toe to toe with Superman ur just glazing Spider-Man.with the old super strength when Spider-Man couldn’t even lift a damn crane and Spider-Man couldn’t dodge scorpions attacks and couldn’t dodge taskmasters traps and when his villains jumped him he couldn’t do nothing while Batman can one shot deathstroke who is significantly stronger than Spider-Man and his whole villain gallery safe to say Batman is one shotting we can debate bout this to
@@Thomaselliotakahusn the only thing it proves is 0 Especially given the game contradicts that notion repeatedly. Especially as a stronger Batman only one shots the weakest version of king shark Since consistently throughout the game KS and the squad get significantly more powerful as they get different tech to counter JL members. That amped suicide squad with their own fear toxin ended up beating Batman (somehow) With that same squad with speed force tech etc being insignificant next to superman and needed a massive amount of gold Kryptonite Especially as KS and the squad got folded by base wonderwoman - who superman killed even when she had Kryptonite 🤷♂️ Also in the attack on Arkham film, King shark and a roster of the suicide squad struggled to beat Base Batman…… with that same Batman being weaker than the one in Knight. so unless Base Batman = Base superman pretty obvious it’s not true. Especially as Waller lies and manipulates all the time.
@@TheGamingRift11 well it shows a weaker Batman has the strength to one shot king shark who’s said to be Superman level so Amanda Waller is right in this case it shows Batman would just one shot Spiderman
@@Thomaselliotakahusn if thats the case then the entire Arkham series is shit since at no point in time does Batman ever demonstrate to be a planet buster nor MFTL in the first 4 games. I appreciate you wanting Batman to beat Spiderman but please actually think about what you just said.
Idk why this is even a debate really. You could give Batman every advantage and he'd still lose most of the time. Spiderman is just that much faster, stronger, and agile. Spiderman's abilities alone is enough to push him over the top but the fact that he's also a genius means Batman's one big advantage isn't even that big. Spiderman has been able to create his own cures, suits, and gadgets with no money. Batman with basically unlimited money usually has his stuff engineered by other people as he focuses on being a detective and not an engineer but his products arent as impressive as Spiderman's. Batman is extremely perceptive, it's not better than Spiderman's Spidey sense tho, which instinctively gives Spiderman info and doesnt require it to be danger or a time limit.
The weird thing is arguing who would win between two hero’s who would undoubtedly get along. Batman could only win against Peter like he does against Darkseid by making a serious threat to Peter such as making it to where if Peter attacks his identity is leaked or something but Parker would physically beat Batman. Id like to see them as a duo more often but for duos it’d also be cool to see how Batman and Ironman interact.
@@karimdavis7065 I do know Arkham Batman, been playing Arkham games since 2021 I just don't overrated him like his fanboys did Also did you even watch the video cuz Rift already explained why Spider-Man wins
I'd like to *imagine* Arkham Batman physically competing with Insomnaic Spider-Man and beating him due to a slight advantage in experience and intelligence... but that's the most to it. It's just my imagination. Your video is pretty clear to how much of a mismatch this is, even if it's thematically interesting. Bit of a tangent, but I gave up serious powerscaling and discussing hypothetical battles because topics like Marvel vs DC / OPM vs DBZ / Kratos vs anyone were really toxic and just stopped being fun. I would find it more fun to see Cavill Superman be beaten by Reynolds Deadpool or Goku to be taken out by Green Arrow's boxing glow arrow, even if it makes zero sense powerscaling-wise. So hearing about Arkham Batman vs Insomnaic Spider-Man gave me some bad memories about that, but it honestly feels more tame and calm by comparison. Arkham Batman in general helped bring back my interest in powerscaling because of how cool his feats were in Arkham Knight and Arkham Origins, specifically Fear Multi-Takedowns. He's not going to be catching hands with Silver Surfer or beating the shit out of Black Adam, but it's still cool enough to watch while grounded enough that it's physically believable by Batman standards
one guy is intelligent and has a lot of tech another guy is also intelligent and has a lot of tech, but has op super powers too yeah this is not even close pete's spidey powers dont even have exploitable weaknesses for batman to discover
The funniest part for me is people getting mad about this because it doesn't even matter. The fact that spidey would kick his ass doesn't make batman any less cool in his verse because spidey doesnt exsist there lmao, he's still top dawg in gotham. It always just devolves into whose favorite character is the bestestest
Well If we choose to use suicide squad kill the justice league as arkham canon batman scales above king shark who's stated to be a physical equal to superman by waller whos faster than light nuke level In durability and via statements can hold planets by batman aswell as batman has mastery over using fear toxin consistently and ps4 spidey doesn't have alot of resistance to mental attacks and drugs he was almost dieing to scorpions venom induced hallucinations batmans suit is the same materials as flashs suit whos taken attacks from green lantern who scales to superman batman also should scale somewhat to the league in speed and with his brainiac enhancements and come to faster than light speeds so i think in character if we use suicide squad batmans gotten stronger just as fast if not faster and more durable and would win mid high diff since peter isnt a pushover and wont be an immediate stomp also batmans fought firefly and manbat in the air aswell as militia drones in the air so what are you talking about? Theres also the fact in the suicide squad movie joker survives a multi city block level explosion and batman scales above joker consistently hes also shown to dodge electrical attacks stated to be electricity in arkham knight prequel comics pre arkham knight suit and should scale to base time ftl since catwomans feat is consistent with batman and batman should upscale it since hes usally above catwoman theres also a feat where batman tanks multiple of banes goons firing on him and hes tanking the bullets and since batman blatantly one shoted the squad there able to fight and react to superman consistently and supermans shown to fly to the sun and back mid fight and that is calculated massively ftl
@@WithcherKnight1307 claiming Bruce is anywhere close to superman in stats based on king shark statements Since the game debunks that statement several times
King Shark is a physical equal to Superman...so much so that instead of fighting him head on he uses guns?? I think Waller may have overestimated King Shark's strength just a *little* bit
You forgot the fact that Batman in Arkham Knight was weak on jokers infected blood and fighting off scarecrows fear toxin. That made him hallucinate Joker and other thing that never happened from the beginning to the end of the game . And on top of that he was fighting off a person that knows all his weaknesses and strategic moves. while that was going on he put away his entire rouges gallery and this all happed in one 12 hour night.
Batman is simply outclassed by Spider Man in most things, but people forget that Insomniac Spider Man is a seemingly quite naíve and young guy, whilst Batman is an older, master manipulator who has been doing this all his life. The biggest and most likely chance for Batman to win is through prep time, intellect, ingenuity and manipulation. Now as some people stated in the comments "Why does Batman get prep time and Spiderman doesn't?" Well, first of all Batman's prep time is better in not just the Arkham games, but every media than Spiderman's and it's also HIS thing, Batman hasn't been bit by an OP genetically engineered spider and didn't suddenly get superpowers, he had to earn most of what he has on his own (Other than his money of course) so it stands to reason he is the one who would get underestimated, and make up a better plan than Spiderman ever could. In the most logical scenario, Peter would get outsmarted and manipulated by Batman and have his powers taken away, either temporarily or maybe some way even permanently with Batman's signature prep time capabilities, after which he would get bodied due to the size and skill difference, because let's be honest, even if Spiderman's suit worked, without his powers he is...well "powerless" against Batman. In a fight to the death scenario Batman would of course get stomped, but I find these battles stupid in this way because they don't properly present the characters and hardly incorporate the character's behavior and instead just mash them together with raw strength, speed, etc etc. TLDR: Fight to the death is quite easily won by Spiderman. Real fight between the two character incorporating their personalities can go either way, with Batman most likely coming out on top (In my opinion)
@@TheGamingRift11 Well, you did straight up lie about two things in the video. One being the speed of Otto's arms, and the other being about the affects of the disrupter. The disrupter *permanently* disable's guns, camera's, drones, medical equipment, and the radar things on the enemies backs that I forgot the name of, instead of just temporarily like you stated. The second one being Doc's arms don't "CarRy oUt tAsKs iN unDEr a NanO sEcOnD," like you said. That's the speed it takes to respond to Otto's thoughts. So basically he can move his arms at the speed of a normal human. Also, you just *didn't* include SSKTJL for some reason.
@@ClodityA normal human cant respond to something in a nano second, also, he even gave Batman the benefit of the lightning thing which is dumb when Spiderman dodges real lighting with broken bones and fatigued.
@@RevolvedScorpion I never said a human can respond to something in less than a nano second. That's how long it takes for the robot arms to respond to Otto's thoughts. Try moving your arm. It happens basically instantly, right? That's what Otto managed to pull off. And that's what Otto said he did. He said that Otto's arm was able to carry out tasks in less than a Nano second, which is a blatant lie. Also, you *really* wanna go down this route with me.
@@Clodity Damn bro sry i misread the comment. But to be fair even so Spidsrman dodging electros blast with broken bones and fatigued is more impressive than anything Batman does.
Arkham Batman shreds Insomniac Spider Man. Spider Man would defo have the massive advantage, but Batman is just so crazy experienced and capable of taking down an entire army in one night. He would tire out Spiderman, and use his gadgets to set traps and damage Spider-Man’s tech. His fighting skill is better, and he would deal massive damage. Batman’s armour would resist a lot of Spider-Man’s attacks. The only way Spiderman wins is in a direct head on, if Batman charges in stupidly. Batman would see he’s outmatched, use his gadgets and think of a plan to beat Spider-Man. He’d probably take a sample of Spider-Man’s webs and create a remote batarang that targets that web signature only. Batman has done crazy stuff in one night, and I really don’t see Spider-Man having the willpower or skill to take down Batman. Batman’s trump card would be the Batmobile and Fear Toxin. He could just sit in the Batmobile all night and shoot at Spider-Man. Using the fear toxin, he’d clog Spider-Man’s senses, (similar to how Scorpion did), and then he’d take him down fairly easily. The symbiote is harder, but Batman would quickly find out Sound is Spider-Man’s weakness, essentially making it game over. Batman beats Spider-Man, don’t get why you guys think Spider-Man would win
Batman vs Spider Man is interesting but I would say both can win it depends on the situation in a sudden fight Spider Man would win but if Batman had time to prepare for the fight like in Batman Vs Superman Batman would win.
Random civilian: if you and Spider-Man were to fight who'd when Arkham Batman: if he were to use his webs he might cause me some trouble Random civilian: but would you lose Arkham Batman: I'm Batman (nah id win)
If someone reading this has a different opinion to my own, then we can gladly discuss it. These are just my thoughts and can absolutely be wrong. Why would property damage suddenly raise the earthquake up to level 8? He could have just meant the glass of the houses right next to where Peter landed, if These damages were caused at the very end of the City then it could potentially be higher. The highest end you can reasonably put Peter at is small town level with the symbiote, due to scaling to miles, who barely survived the huge explosion at the end of his game. Anything higher than that is reliant on Peter somehow scaling to sandman. He doesn't, he avoids fighting him directly and uses his weaknesses against him. He isn't anywhere near his level of strength. Otto being described as the 'ultimate' villain could just be in reference to his intelligence, rather than his power. The Peter he beat also had fiifteen broken bones, meaning he wasn't at one hundred percent. Otto was referring to the time it takes for his commands to reach the arms, they do not travel that fast, they just receive directions at that speed. All his spider sense does is give him a Heads up, it doesn't make him move out of the way. If Peter were to face someone far faster than himself, then this sense would be useless, as Peter wouldn't be fast enough to react. He has to still look around to know what is attacking him and then move his body out of the way. I, personally, do not take this seriously, but it is worth mentioning. Venom, someone far above an amped peter, gets his skin pierced by bullets from a helicopter. The joule output of bullets can of course range, but is usually found to be in the hundreds to thousands. Considering bane's feat is said to be in the millions, it would mean that batman would be far stronger than someone who is able to knock out an amped peter.
I'd like to discuss it if you don't mind. "Why would property damage suddenly raise the earthquake up to level 8? He could have just meant the glass of the houses right next to where Peter landed, if These damages were caused at the very end of the City then it could potentially be higher. The highest end you can reasonably put Peter at is small town level with the symbiote, due to scaling to miles, who barely survived the huge explosion at the end of his game. Anything higher than that is reliant on Peter somehow scaling to sandman. He doesn't, he avoids fighting him directly and uses his weaknesses against him. He isn't anywhere near his level of strength." I agree it doesn't need to be a Magnitude 8, it's very well far less considering a Magnitude 8 is equivalent to 1 Gigaton of TNT, which is the maximum for Mountain and minimum for Large Mountain levels. However, when considering it was stated these could be felt throughout the entirety of NYC and the idea that Jonah said there could be ANY potential property damage, it would have to be at least Magnitude 4, which is roughly 1,000 metric tons of TNT -- the endpoint of Multi-City Block+ and the beginning of Small Town. This can actually track considering the whole calculations with the sandstorm; Peter's surface area doesn't scale to the full brunt of the blast, but with the right calculations (that being the joules of intensity * [Peter's body surface area/the sandstorm's surface area), you'll find that the Multi-Continental would scale to City level, but the lower-end Large Island calculations would scale it to Multi-City Block. Given Bats' own upscaling from Arkham City, he may -- at his absolute highest possible wank -- be the lower end of City Block, so Pete would indeed still be ~100x stronger. "Otto being described as the 'ultimate' villain could just be in reference to his intelligence, rather than his power. The Peter he beat also had fiifteen broken bones, meaning he wasn't at one hundred percent." 14 broken bones, but this is true. That said, the power of the tentacles was still great enough that Peter needed the Anti-Ock suit to equalize; though arguably, given how strong those tentacles can be to even break off some of the Anti-Ock, which was noted to increase Pete's durability, even if Pete was at 100% and this suit would put him a little more comfortably into Small Town levels, it would mean Ock's tentacles still had enough power to be in the Multi-City Block to Multi-City Block+ range -- he won't two-piece combo Peter to death, but still just enough to wear him down to that point. "Otto was referring to the time it takes for his commands to reach the arms, they do not travel that fast, they just receive directions at that speed." I also concede that it's by no means FTL, but when considering they receive the directions in under 1 nanosecond, this basically means the rest of that second is spent actually doing the direction. And considering the fact that Otto was able to tag Peter at all can say a lot. To me, even if we were to super-lowball and say Peter was at his absolute weakest having just beaten Li, which came right after spending the last 24-ish hours booking it through NYC and dealing with a plethora of escaped inmates, Demons, Sable agents (including Silver herself to a small extent right before facing Li), as well as the other 4 members of the Sinister Six, I personally can't see the tentacles' speed get lower than Massively Hypersonic (particularly since I upscale Spider-Man above that due to him having done this in a weakened state against Electro; though if you ask me even the Electro feat could be damn well higher). "All his spider sense does is give him a Heads up, it doesn't make him move out of the way. If Peter were to face someone far faster than himself, then this sense would be useless, as Peter wouldn't be fast enough to react. He has to still look around to know what is attacking him and then move his body out of the way." Which is exactly why it would work against Batman, because Batman is NOT faster than Spider-Man. Batman's Massively Hypersonic scaling is arguably a point of contention; even if he were to scale to Catwoman who actually performed the feat, it was both a) while Selina was in top condition, and b) only performed ONCE. Thus, Batman's REACTION speed would be Massively Hypersonic at its absolute max, but in terms of actual combat speed he would be a fair chunk below, especially compared to Spider-Man who was actually able to react far more consistently, and in a weaker state. "I, personally, do not take this seriously, but it is worth mentioning. Venom, someone far above an amped peter, gets his skin pierced by bullets from a helicopter. The joule output of bullets can of course range, but is usually found to be in the hundreds to thousands. Considering bane's feat is said to be in the millions, it would mean that batman would be far stronger than someone who is able to knock out an amped peter" Venom was not "pierced" by the bullets, it's just absorbing their impact; they just splash against him, since his body is a hulking mass of goo. It'd be like saying Terminator's T800 or even T850 is more durable than the T-1000 because they're not made out of liquid metal.
@LibraKai Sure, I would not mind. "I agree it doesn't need to be a magnitude 8, it's very well far less considering a magnitude 8 is equivalent to 1 gigaton of TNT, which is the maximum of mountain and minimum for large mountain levels. However, when considering it was stated these could be felt throughout the entirety of NYC and the idea that Jonah said that there could be ANY potential property damage, it would have to be at least magnitude 4, which is roughly 1,000 metric Tons TNT- the endpoint of multi-City block+ and the Beginning of small town. This can actually track, considering the whole calculations with the sandstorms; peter's surface area doesn't scale to the full Brunt of the blast, but with the right calculations, you'll find that the multi-continental would scale to City level but the lower-end large Island calculations would scale it to multi-city Block. Given Bats' own upscaling from arkham city, he may- at his absolute highest possible wank- be the lower end of City block level, so pete would still indeed be ≈ 100× stronger." Is it only jonah saying that the shockwaves could be felt throughout new York? If it is, it could be that he simply wants Peter to look bad and is just exaggerating the damage. This would make sense as he does create multiple theories about peter to make him look bad throughout his poscast "just the facts with J. Jonah Jameson." I would be fine with saying that Peter, at his highest and with the symbiote, would be in the multi City block Ranges of Power. However, granting that level to normal Peter seems a bit of a stretch, considering that he aeems to be knocked out by far less powerful things, such as getting hit by the small Box that was attached to the crane, (does that Box have a name?) or getting knocked out from a rocket Launcher, while wearing the symbiote that drastically increases his strength to a level he could have never achieved on his own. Though once again, i can agree to Peter with the symbiote reaching these multi City block levels of power at his high end. However, i don't agree withbatman reaching any higher than small building level, due to the fact that the batman from the arkham games is simply not as strong as his comic book counterpart. Wall to small building level is far more consistent for arkham batman than anything higher. And i just don't think that the methods that bring arkham batman higher are any good. "14 broken bones, but this is true. That said, the power of the tentacles was still great enough that Peter needed the anti-ock suit to equalize; though arguably, given how strong those tentacles can be to even break off some of the anti-ock suit, which is noted to increase peter's durability, even if pete was at 100% and this suit would put him more comfortably into small town levels, it would mean that ock's tentacles still had enough power to be in the multi-city Block to multi-city Block+ range- he won't two piece combo Peter to death, but still just enough power to wear him down to that point." The only reason he needed the suit was because Peter was already tited, weak and sleep deprived for most of the end of the Story. That doesn't mean that Otto scales to Peter in any way, shape or form. The boost in durability that Peter gets is also unquantifiable, given his heavily weakened and fatigued state. Not only that, but Peter would never fight Otto seriously and would definetely pull his punches against a mentor figure like Otto. Spider-man also says to taskmaster that he holds back, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that he would be going easy on octavius. Yes, the tentacles can damage the suit, but that is because they are made from the same materials. All we can gather from that is that the tentacles can damage Themselves, which doesn't matter since they never do anything impressive. They don't scale to Peter and Otto was unable to beat a heavily fatigued, sleep deprived and holding back Peter. That isn't really a feat for Spider-man. Or maybe i am wrong and you have a different opinion on that whole thing. I would love to read it. "I also concede that it is by no means ftl, but when considering they receive the directions in under 1 nanosecond, this basically means that the rest of that second is spent actually doing the direction. And considering the fact that Otto was able to tag Peter at all can say a lot. To me, even if we were to super-lowball and say that Peter was at his absolute weakest having just beaten Li, which came right after spending the last 24-ish hours booking it through NYC and dealing with a plethora of escaped inmates, demons, sable agents ( including sable herself to a small extent right before facing Li), as well as the other four members of the sinister six, i personally can't see the tentacles' speed get slower than massively hypersonic (particularly since i upscale Spider-man above that due to him having done it in a weakened state against electro; though if you ask me even the electro feat could be damn well higher)" I agree that the tentacles could be as fast as Peter in his fight against electro. "Which is exactly why it would work against batman, because batman is not faster than Spider-man. Batman's massively hypersonic scaling is arguably a point of contention: even if he were to scale to catwoman, who actually performed the feat, it was both a) whike selina was in top condition and b) only performed once. Thus, batman's reaction speed would be massively hypersonic at its absolute max, but in terms of actual combat speed he would be a fair chunk below, Especially compared to Spider-man who was actually able to react far more consistently and in a weakened state." I don't see why your points would make the feat contentious. Yes, it was performed once, but that doesn't make it invalid. The arkham games don't have people that can throw electricity around for batman to dodge. And considering the Text says that she blatantly dodged it, means that batman would scale to it, as he beat catwoman while blinded and at an extremely early point in his career in "arkham origins blackgate." "An ark of electricity lashed out from the ceiling. Selina dodged it, all reflexes, and saw her attacker floating above the vent." Taken from batman arkham knight. Keep in mind that, because batman could already beat her in origins blackgate, arkham knight batman would be far faster than that, due to bruce himself saying that his new siit is faster and more mobile than any prior Version. So bruce and Peter are at the very least relative in terms of speed.
@@djb9267 "Is it only jonah saying that the shockwaves could be felt throughout new York? If it is, it could be that he simply wants Peter to look bad and is just exaggerating the damage. This would make sense as he does create multiple theories about peter to make him look bad throughout his poscast "just the facts with J. Jonah Jameson." I would be fine with saying that Peter, at his highest and with the symbiote, would be in the multi City block Ranges of Power. However, granting that level to normal Peter seems a bit of a stretch, considering that he aeems to be knocked out by far less powerful things, such as getting hit by the small Box that was attached to the crane, (does that Box have a name?) or getting knocked out from a rocket Launcher, while wearing the symbiote that drastically increases his strength to a level he could have never achieved on his own. Though once again, i can agree to Peter with the symbiote reaching these multi City block levels of power at his high end. However, i don't agree withbatman reaching any higher than small building level, due to the fact that the batman from the arkham games is simply not as strong as his comic book counterpart. Wall to small building level is far more consistent for arkham batman than anything higher. And i just don't think that the methods that bring arkham batman higher are any good." I figure that would be considered, which is why I had taken time to consider the context. For one, within the mission Peter notes that Oscorp's satellites can take seismic images of what's underground if he hits the ground hard enough. Whilst there is no verbal confirmation in the game, I do recall there is a text from the in-game Twitter referencing the mission from the tremors it caused. Short of having to replay the entire game from the beginning again (which I'd have to do anyway since I have the Remastered Edition), it'd be hard to remember the full details, but I do know it's there. As for the multi-city block levels only with the symbiote, I'd disagree. Keep in mind before the events of the first game, Peter stated that Rhino managed to demolish 6 city blocks in their first encounter. The fact that even after having beaten him before Peter was worried to face him means that on top of him being fatigued, Rhino himself likely got stronger. It's been stated earlier in the game before Otto's breakout, Rhino tried escaping his cell and damn near succeeded before being moved to a new one. Do keep in mind, the Raft by all accounts is a Supermax stated to be specifically designed for super-criminals, so he had to have been either getting stronger, or just been wearing at it for years; if you ask me, it may very well be a mix of both. Plus, for that last part, they don't necessarily "have" to be relative or below their counterparts base-to-base, especially considering the comics by all accounts have the means to skyrocket them into universal and even multiversal scaling if they wanted. In fairness though, I did say low City Block for Bats was a "highest possible wank", so it's like a "maybe if you squint at certain things from the right angle", but in reality would say Arkham Batman could be at least the higher end of Small Building to the lower end of Large Building. Whilst Pete got knocked out by that small box thing (called a hook block), he was caught relatively off-guard since he was in the middle of stopping the entire tower crane from falling before it practically whipped him in his back. Plus those things are a lot heavier than one expects; given how it managed to temporarily knock Peter out, I'd say it was probably in the 80-100 ton range. Though I'm not sure what rocket launcher he was knocked out by, short of maybe the one used by the Demons right before said crane hit, but I'm pretty sure he got right back up; it just sorta stunned him, which considering they were amped by Mr. Negative's powers, doesn't seem like much a stretch to say they're stronger than the average RPG.. but that's just me. "I don't see why your points would make the feat contentious. Yes, it was performed once, but that doesn't make it invalid. The arkham games don't have people that can throw electricity around for batman to dodge. And considering the text says that she blatantly dodged it, means that batman would scale to it, as he beat catwoman while blinded and at an extremely early point in his career in arkham origins blackgate. 'An ark of electricity lashed out from the ceiling. Selina dodged it, all reflexes, and saw her attacker floating above the vent'. Taken from batman arkham knight./K eep in mind that, because batman could already beat her in origins blackgate, arkham knight batman would be far faster than that, due to bruce himself saying that his new siit is faster and more mobile than any prior Version. So bruce and Peter are at the very least relative in terms of speed." I'm putting this part here first just because it feels like it works as a continuation from my earlier point. Even if the games don't have people who can shoot electricity, they at the very least still had the equipment itself; it was stated (or at least heavily implied) that the bolt was from one of the Arkham Knight's mini drones that Riddler managed to pilot. Furthermore, Origins Catwoman is not the same as Knight Catwoman, as she likely improved and gotten faster and stronger given her experiences. Basically my point is, I can't dismiss it as a blatant outlier like Rift, but given we haven't actually seen it and only heard about it, I just feel it seems more like something he can comprehend, without actually moving at that speed. Best I can describe it is that one time in the comics where Spidey and Daredevil fought; Daredevil could "see" Spider-Man with his heightened senses and even predicted he was going to throw a punch, but his body simply was not fast enough to react. I argue it's like that for Batman; he could comprehend things moving at Massively Hypersonic, and even manage to get a couple dodges out, but in terms of frequently moving that fast feels... a bit off. Still, based on your point, if I don't find it all that unbelievable that Spider-Man scales to, if not slightly above a [likely] weaker Rhino who could "demolish" six city blocks -- especially considering that even though Rhino is more than capable of beating his ass with his brute strength -- Pete STILL holds back, at least to the degree of not outright killing him, then by that same token Batman should be given the same fairness and could be MHS after getting the Tri-weave Batsuit, maybe even MHS+ considering he had another suit before, and the events of Selina's capture happened before the events of the game, so it could very well be an upscale. "The only reason he needed the suit was because Peter was already tired, weak and sleep deprived for most of the end of the Story. That doesn't mean that Otto scales to Peter in any way, shape or form. The boost in durability that Peter gets is also unquantifiable, given his heavily weakened and fatigued state. Not only that, but Peter would never fight Otto seriously and would definetely pull his punches against a mentor figure like Otto. Spider-man also says to taskmaster that he holds back, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that he would be going easy on octavius. Yes, the tentacles can damage the suit, but that is because they are made from the same materials. All we can gather from that is that the tentacles can damage Themselves, which doesn't matter since they never do anything impressive. They don't scale to Peter and Otto was unable to beat a heavily fatigued, sleep deprived and holding back Peter. That isn't really a feat for Spider-man. Or maybe i am wrong and you have a different opinion on that whole thing. I would love to read it." I'm not necessarily saying Otto himself scales to Peter, just the tentacles, at least as far as potential. They're not a one to one scaling regardless since I still fall under the belief that Peter definitely falls into the upper-end of Multi-City Block, whereas Otto's tentacles are on the lower end. Even if weakened and fatigued -- which I know he is -- the fact he was hurt AT ALL can say more about the tentacles. I for one do feel if Peter were in tip-top shape he very well could have beaten Otto regardless, but since he was weakened he needed the suit. I just don't necessarily feel he just dropped to less than 1/10 his absolute max, especially since he still had the means to maintain a fairly impressive speed and agility against Otto after having just fought Li; but that's just me. We also have to consider a majority of the equipment for Peter's suit and Otto's tentacles came from AIM, which -- while admittedly cheating -- can have a sort of baseline rep via other incarnations on what they can do.
@@LibraKai Thank you for answering my question about the hook block. I am still learning english in school, so it is nice to see you actually providing the name, instead of just being rude. "For one, within the Mission Peter notes that oscorp's satellites can take seismic images of what's Underground if he hits the ground hard enough. Whilst there is no verbal confirmation in the game, i do recall there is a text from the in-game Twitter Referencing the Mission from the tremors it caused. As for the multi-city Block levels only with the symbiote, i'd disagree. Keep in mind before the events of the first game, Peter stated that rhino demolished six City blocks in their first encounter. The fact that even after having beaten him before Peter was worried to face him means that on top of him being fatigued, rhino himself likely got stronger. It's been stated earlier in the game before Otto's breakout, rhino tried escaping his cell and nearly succeeded before being moved to a new one. Do keep in mind, that raft by all accounts is a supermax stated to be specifically designed for super-criminals, so he had to have been getting stronger, or just been wearing at it for years; if you ask me, it may very well be both." If you only remember there being a message about the tremors, then it shouldn't matter. As even if that message gave a description of the damage, we have no idea of how far apart that messager and peter were. For all we know, the messager was only a couple of centimeters away from peter, explaining the description of the damage, if there even is any. We have no idea how rhino managed to destroy these City blocks, nor how long he needed to Do so. So no, that isn't a good way to get Peter any higher. "Whilst peter got knocked out by that small box, he was caught relatively off-guard since he was in the middle of stopping the entire tower crane from falling before it practically whipped him in his back. Plus those things are a lot heavier than one expects; given how it managed to temporarily knock peter out, i'd say it was probably in the 80-100 Ton range. Though i'm not Sure by what rocket Launcher he was knocked out by, short of maybe the one used by the demons right before said crane hit, but i'm pretty Sure he got right back up; it just sorta Stunned him, which considering they were amped by mr negative's powers, doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say they're just stronger than the average rpg." The value of the box's weight is just an assumotion on your part and has no Real meaning in this conversation. The moment in which peter got knocked out by a rocket launcher happened in the chase scene against the lizard in the second games. Kraven's men hit peter with a rocket, peter creates a Ring from the symbiote to protect himself and still gets knocked out for multiple minutes on end. Keep in mind that the symbiote significantly ampes peter's durability, to the point that he can fight kraven, who previously nearly killed him. Meaning base Peter would also be killed by a rocket, due to the symbiote being knocked out by it for a long time. "Even if the games don't have people that throw electricity, they at the very least had the equipment itself; it was stated that the bolt was from one of the arkham knight's Mini drones that riddler managed to pilot. Further more, origins catwoman isn't the same as knight catwoman, as she likely improved and gotten faster and stronger given her experiences. Basically my point is, given that we haven't actually seen it and only Heard about it, i just feel it seems more like he can comprehend, without actually moving that speed. Best i can describe it is that one time in the comics were spidey and daredevil fought; daredevil could "see" Spider-man with his heightened senses and even predicted he was going to throw a punch, but his body simply wasn't fast enough to dodge it. I argue it's like that for batman; he could comprehend things moving at massively hypersonic speed, and even manage to get a couple dodges out, but in terms of frequent moving that fast just feels a bit off." Can you give evidence to your claim that selina got faster? Otherwise, it is just your opinion. Your example is a bad one, given that daredevil knew that he was fighting spider-man, where as selina was not aware of the drone and dodged it. It is also blatantly stated that selina dodged it and there isn't a lot you can say to argue against that point.
@@djb9267 "Thank you for answering my question about the hook block. I am still learning english in school, so it is nice to see you actually providing the name, instead of just being rude." No trouble at all. Not even I knew if it had a name and I been doing English for years, so it was beneficial for the both of us. "If you only remember there being a message about the tremors, then it shouldn't matter. As even if that message gave a description of the damage, we have no idea of how far apart that messager and peter were. For all we know, the messager was only a couple of centimeters away from peter, explaining the description of the damage, if there even is any. We have no idea how rhino managed to destroy these City blocks, nor how long he needed to Do so. So no, that isn't a good way to get Peter any higher." Fair enough, I can't convince you on that unless I get the full context. That said, a couple centimeters means that the user would actually SEE Spider-Man or hear it happening nearby, and as I stated earlier, they referenced ONLY the tremors.. so, it's definitely more than a "couple". But the only way to get the full story is replaying the mission itself and finding the tweet, so we can call a pause on this front. "The value of the box's weight is just an assumotion on your part and has no Real meaning in this conversation. The moment in which peter got knocked out by a rocket launcher happened in the chase scene against the lizard in the second games. Kraven's men hit peter with a rocket, peter creates a Ring from the symbiote to protect himself and still gets knocked out for multiple minutes on end. Keep in mind that the symbiote significantly ampes peter's durability, to the point that he can fight kraven, who previously nearly killed him. Meaning base Peter would also be killed by a rocket, due to the symbiote being knocked out by it for a long time." Well, it does.. because unless you think a hook block that's 2 tons is able to replicate the same feat of knocking an off-guard or even on-guard Peter out for 5 seconds when he routinely stops trucks weighing 4 times that much, and was only seconds prior stalling a crane weighing several hundreds of tons, that's being disingenuous. As for the 2nd game, those were missiles.. very much different from rockets. He was also hit by ALL of them at once, and recovered with some help from Miles (you could actually hear Peter grunting when Miles threw him so he was very much awake). Kraven also only nearly killed Peter because Peter was not aware of how strong he actually was, something Peter later affirms when he had the black suit (and even then Kraven was under the belief Peter was more than capable of killing him BEFORE he touched the meteorite.) "Can you give evidence to your claim that selina got faster? Otherwise, it is just your opinion. Your example is a bad one, given that daredevil knew that he was fighting spider-man, where as selina was not aware of the drone and dodged it. It is also blatantly stated that selina dodged it and there isn't a lot you can say to argue against that point." From Batman? The Arkham Artbook (officially made by Rocksteady) states that Batman grew in strength, speed, and agility in each entry, mainly due to the enhancements and upgrades in his suits. Hell, by Arkham Knight they explained the tri-weave suit made him faster than he was previously (which is why he was able to do the multi-fear takedown in the first place). If you want to believe Batman was relative to Catwoman in each entry, that's perfectly fine. However, if you try to turn around and say that Selina -- and by extension Bruce -- were always massively hypersonic with no prior statements nor feats that showed nearly as such across the entire Arkham series until Knight, you're once again being disingenuous.
@@4e_vin255 spiderman couldn’t even takes down Kraven without needing a suit from SPACE! Batman was able to take down all his villains in his games. Peter always needed help from miles who’s less experienced than him.
@@mserrano816 So? Even Batman couldn’t beat Kraven either so what’s your point? None of those villains scale to Kraven which even Mr.Negative can solo Batman’s rouge gallery let alone entire sinister six and Kraven Funny how you mentioned that when Batman consistently relies on his allies as well
Well yes, it's not precognitive in the literal sense, but it does slow his perception of time to pinpoint and react appropriately. And before you bring up the Sinister Six, keep in mind that a) they all had to jump him to overload his Spider-Sense, something Batman doesn't have the luxury of in this 1v1, and b) half of the members (Electro, Scorpion, and Vulture) are generally relative to Peter in speed, so they'd be able to keep up with him. Bringing up Silver Sable and Taskmaster being to tag him is disingenuous since a) Peter was very clearly not even trying to fight Sable at all, and b) Taskmaster has spent the majority of his encounter with Peter studying him extensively, meaning he'd be capable of catching him off guard via developing the right countermeasures. This extends to Kraven who spent 6 months of studying not just Peter, but also Miles and their entire rogues gallery, INCLUDING Taskmaster.
If Im being honest here, Spiderman has better intelligence then batman, BUT let me explain. spiderman made a suit that can go faster than speed of light. Spidey also made holograms from parts from dumpster diving. He also made iron arms that can absorb and withstand city-mountain levels of electricity/energy. He also made a suit in around 30 minutes-1 hour after almost being beaten to death. Most of the tech bats uses is developed by lucius. He also made web shooters at like 15 or 14 years old but every spidey does that except tobey i guess. He also helped build doc ocks arms that are wayyyyy faster than the human reaction time and are durable enough to survive small explosions . He did the work for the nueral interface and stuff. He literally made a cure or serum for tombstones invulnerability and it worked. And he made it within an hour or less probably (In gametime it was like 2 minutes) he also made tech by himself that can analyze chemical components on a sub atomic level with limited budget.
I love insomniacs spider man from the 2018 game but the version presented in spider man 2 would get his ass beat by arkham batman and would cry to mj or miles or wraith for their help
I don’t know how people still say Arkham Batman wins. Insomniac Spider Man is actually crazy overpowered, probably stronger than any other version of Spider Man. Not to mention, tying in the anti-venom suit he’s effectively immortal. Also like for “takedowns”, I don’t think you guys understand that Spider Man is very durable. Most of Batman’s villains are normal people. Spider Man is a “meta human”, one that doesn’t observably have a Kryptonite weakness. Spidey has survived punches from Rhino, Insomniac Spider Man can hold back punches from Rhino without even trying much. Takedowns are not working on him.
I am a massive Batman fan, but I know he would lose against Spiderman. However...Symbiote Suit Spiderman vs Arkham Knight Batman could be very interesting. Symbiote Spiderman is too aggressive to pay attention to Batman's Sonic Batarangs until its to late. To be honest...I would to see these guys work together. The lighthearted Spiderman and a grumpy Batman.
What do you guys think?? let me know!!!
Also YES I did Arkham Origins-Knight - and base Spidey
If you want me to do a Round 2 with Symbiote Pete and SSKTJL Batman let me know
I will accept this on the condition that we can both agree that both game series are fantastic. For me, at the end of the day, both game series and characters are amazing regardless of their power levels.
Great video! Maybe insomniac spider-man vs homelander (the boys)
@@Bankai-bp1qj
bro they are! . ..Batman is an absolute badass and represents what a human is capable of (in a fictional exaggerated way ofc) and I think the Arkham games are almost from a game perspective even better than the Spider-Man games, but when you let them
Fight till death in fair (and even in unfair terms kinda)
Spider-Man destroys Batman completely.
Edit: sry my English is very bad I am not native
@@Bankai-bp1qjI’ll just agree on the fact that both never fought against or together in their games ever, hence nobody won so all is good in the end and yes both games are amazing as hell
Do superior Spider-Man versus the Batman who laughs
I hate that people say "Oh, Batman with prep time solos", when the fight should be even. If one gets prep time, so should the other. Not to mention that Insomniac Peter was able to build the Anti-Ock suit in what can't be more than 30 minutes.
Except prep time is literally apart of batman's character. His power is not his gadgets, his money, or skills. It's the fact that he literally plans for everything beforehand or even in the moment. You take that away, it's the same thing as taking away Spider-Mans powers. And I don't care what you say, a man who has devoted his entire life since he was eleven to his mission will always out-prep a dude who only devotes half his time to crime-fighting.
batman is known for his prep time that’s why he’s able to win fights against the likes of superman and survive the likes of darkseid, when batman has prep time he becomes the most dangerous thing to exist and becomes unbeatable , superman himself has said that so even if spider-man had prep time too he wouldn’t win batman has the best prep time in all of comics
Batman’s whole character is Prep Time 😂😂😂 how do you think he is able to contend with Darkseid and Superman? The power of friendship?
@@Darwinthegoat2709they’re saying give spiderman prep time too if you’re going to give it to Batman
@@MuchDrOrangebro....if spiderman got into a fight with Batman and he wasn't holding back he's doing what superior did to scorpion in the comics. Knocked that jaw right off because that shit wasn't armored.
Its still insane to me people still think arkham batman beats insom peter, I dont get whats wrong with batman losing, it dosent take away from his character in any way, but of cource people just dont like having their favorite jero lose
I get where some are coming from but it is silly, and like u said both still great regardless…honestly it’s just silly to even think of them fighting anyway lol
@@dawudabdulali3827 Spider Man wins but if Batman has prep time. Worh all the gadgets he has avaiable he could eventually knock peter out
I love the arkham games, but I'm blind sides because Spiderman has one OP power his spider senses everything else with speed, and strength just makes him more of a threat to batman.
@@swector_unit4257 tbh Insomniac Spider Man got hit by stuff like missiles multiple times . Even with symbiote
@@dawudabdulali3827 Batmans chances are slim but he could pull it off tbh. But Spider Man obviously has the better cards here
Batman is crazy shit but Spider-Man is actually able to kill him oneshot with his strongest attacks
@@thedj6921 pretty much
Just saying, Comic Batman is a whole different story
@@celsos.arestalll7013 so is comic spider-man lil bro.
So does that mean you think kraven could beat batman since kraven killer spiderman. This is why I hate powerscaling sometimes lol and this feels so biased. Don't get me wrong I feel like it could go either way and it's not just spiderman will win.
@@pixalatedserume
well. ..this craven from Spider-Man 2 ps5 would be a very big problem for Arkham Batman, he never faced someone that strong, I am sure this kraven would kill Batman
As the late and great Stan Lee once said (and i am paraphrasing here) "I hate this question, it's whatever I choose, I could write that Spider-Man beats the Hulk, or I could write that the Hulk beats Spider-Man"......basically it is whatever the writer chooses really.....but if we are looking beyond writers, then it still comes down to the scenario both Batman and Spidey are in and many many different variables....so in certain scenarios, Spidey wins, and in other scenarios, Batman wins....it is all so much more complex than just comparing the two
I smell nothing but Fax here
When comparing feats that both have performed canonically in their respective games, that’s simply irrelevant
I agree with this and this is what makes dbz style feat comparing so flat sometimes i think it all depends on the scenario more then just power itself but i still think spiderman wins more then he loses if bats has prep so dose spiderman and spiderman has proven to beat people with more tec then him with prep time batman would be out matched in everything but money
I completely agree actually
Nah Batman gets ragdolled
You forgot to mention Peter Still has the Anti-Venom Symbiote but that would be Overkill
@@Fable1017-Hope I did base versions - that might be a round 2 vid someday
@@TheGamingRift11sense the anti-venom suit is now permanently bonded to him wouldn't that be his base now that's how I thought of it
@@cronus_2142if he has anti venom In the spider man 3 game, yes, but since he got it at the end of Sm2 so it’s not his base form.
EXCELLENT THE GAMING RIFT WORK. 🖤🖤🖤🖤❤️❤️❤️❤️
ARKHAM Batman knows how to defeat any foe that comes his way
Superhuman with the ability to see into the future vs rich orphan that beats up mental patients.
😂
@i_hate_ads. Spider-man has aunt May as a parental figure. But I guess the same goes with Batman and Alfred so I guess they’re equal there.
Spiderman and Batman's villains are mental patients
@@mike.tyson...you know, now that I think about, most comic book villains are insane and have an mental illness, or are terrorists. Sometimes both
@@Popdostythat applies to dc more than Marvel... Marvel has it's good share of villains who actually have quite a good reason for doing what they do... Example: Ultron, Thanos, skrull, gorr,
One guy is really smart and has a bunch of gadgets.
The other guy is ALSO really smart, arguable smarter, and has a bunch of gadgets on top of actual superpowers. And that's without giving him a Symbiote that doesn't have the typical Symbiote weaknesses. And that's acknowledging that he is inherently always holding back because of his mentality.
Insomniac Pete is
Large town level. He's neither more durable or stronger.
How is Pete faster when his best speed scaling is via electricity? Not only does Batman have the same scaling off electricity but he now scales off Superman who LS-MFTL.
Bouncing a random thug off concrete is cute, one tapping a Demi-god is Cuter.
Pete is also out haxed, Considering Batman can dampen powers, shut off gadets and has the strongest form of fear toxin.
@@Comicedits39
Was Superman in any of the Arkham games? If not, he has no bearing on this discussion about Game versions of Bats and Spidey.
Power dampeners aren't some magic device that can shut down powers. Bats would need to already know about Spidey to build ones based around him. And he doesn't have the luxury of prep time in this fight. Power dampeners are a moot point, as the ones he'd have on him wouldn't work on Spidey since they've never even met.
@espurrseyes42 And he also survived a way worse toxine that was made to literally kill him... i think fear toxin would be a walk on the oark for him.
@@espurrseyes42 he was in the suicide squad, no matter how bad the game is, it’s canon and Batman canonically scales to the justice league.
@@Comicedits39
Ok. We're still talking about the Arkham games. Not the whole extended Arkham universe. Superman is irrelevant to this discussion unless he was in Asylum, City, Knight, or Origins.
Dang your even bringing feats from the comics too, you really dud your reaserch. W vid.
I tried
@@TheGamingRift11 good attempt, love bats very much but spidey is just my guy y'know? "guy from the miles game."
I mean he did but he also forgot Batman's fear toxin
Any average Spider-man vs Batman debate is basically hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby.
I wouldn't go that far
Yh not that far but it's still like a Swiss army knife vs a plastic butter knife
It's more of a tank versus armored car
The only trouble spider-man would have is to not accidentally kill batman 💀💀
Edit: Swear the way you batman fans be coping in this comment is crazy
It’s like the goku vs superman debate all over again, this specific example is like gt goku versus snyder superman, not the strongest incarnations of either character but they’re not weak either but the gap between the two is undeniable, in this context gt goku is the spiderman equivalent, as snyder superman just hasn’t had anywhere near the same feats as goku
Here's where we can agree to. Insomniac Spiderman is more popular in sales but Arkham's Batman won more awards for his video games. 😂. That's the only thing batman beats Spiderman in at this point
Spiderman is specifically said to *almost* be able to lift 10 tons, batman is also specifically said to be able to exert 21,000 pounds of force (10.5 tons) >1000 more than spider man.
@@christianhenry4173Arkham series is also much better as a game anyway. Batman would shred Spiderman in a fight anyway. There’s a reason the Arkham franchise is considered the best superhero games
@@Darwinthegoat2709now don’t act like the Arkham games are perfect games cause it certainly isn’t. And you wanna elaborate on how Arkham batman “shreds” spider-man
Personally i never gotten into the debate of who would legit win there’s gonna be glazers on both sides , both great characters from great games who actually cares tbh who would win 🕷️ 🤝 🦇
Power Scalers
@@giuseppesillicchia648 besides them lmao
Why are you here then 😂
@@Thanos5 cuz I won’t to lol
@@TheSsjJoker what?
“How many Arkham Batmans would it take to beat one Insomniac Peter”
No
I say that around 3-4 batmans should be enough if you also give them prep time to come up with plan
@@skell6134 With prep i would say 2 without prep i would say 4-5 but the prep time depends on if spiderman knows about him or not if spiderman is going in cold and bats has prep time it could even take 1 batman but if they both have prep time spiderman stomps him and if its a one on one cold spiderman would stomp him hard thats how i think it would go anyway
a few dozen
1 pro
FINALLY, someone that doesn’t just go: “pReP tImE”
Arkham Batman wouldn’t even need much prep time. He makes up plans in like a minute to beat his enemy. Spiderman would be no different, the fear toxin would literally shred Spiderman
@@Darwinthegoat2709did you watch the video or what?
@@Darwinthegoat2709Spider-Man would literally just speed blitz, and there’s not much he’s afraid of, the only thing he’s pretty much afraid of is loss, but even then the fear toxin is designed to make someone go crazy, Spider-Man has just as much will power as Batman, so he just wouldn’t go crazy anyway, it’s also arguable he has more will power than Batman, as at punts of the Arkham game he does lose it a couple times, like on the airship and at the end of the game
@@Darwinthegoat2709
Fear toxin same as Scorpion toxin
@@EclipseEGbro batman has dodged darkseids omega beams there is no such thing Spiderman speed blitz kids these days...
Why is this even a debate? Either insomniac Spider-Man absolutely destroy Arkham Batman. 😭😭😭 we gotta hard lowball either Spider-Man to give Batman even a chance. Miles can just use his electricity explosion and Peter can just speed blitz.
@@thedigitalfortress Miles vs batman would be interesting but still a stomp
@@TheGamingRift11 it would be more interesting since Miles is less experienced and has less skills but I still think if he gets a good hit in, it’s basically a body bag. Batman gets 1 shot.
To be fair, this is ARKHAM Batman, Arkham Batman is powerful, but not as powerful as Comic Batman. But, that would be a whole other situation with Comic Spiderman
@@TheGamingRift11 nah miles vs nightwing.
@@celsos.arestalll7013I agree with you Arkham Batman is strong very strong however… this spider-man can bounce people off of concrete
I agree with this assesment. But, let's be honest, Batman would adopt Spidey in a heartbeat. Acrobatic Orphan with a solid moral compass and a hero-complex with the added bonus of actual superpowers? He'd be unable to resist adding a new Robin to his collection.
finally a sensible comment. why would they even fight lol, they even operate the exact same way and spidey doesnt pose a superman level threat for batman to want to eliminate him
Batman in the games beat everyone of his villains in a single night where spider-man has to beat them over several days the fact that Batman can defeat a girl that has power over nature itself, a undead monster that can hurt superman, a monster that is made out of clay, and a immortal in a single night where spider-man has to defeat a can in a wing suit, a guy thats just in a scorpion suit, and a old man with four robotic arms over like a week it shows that Batman is sort of better am I wrong? Also if spider-man can barely handle Mysterio’s hypno or whatever I don’t think he would be able to handle scarecrows gas like Batman. Just proves he is better prove me wrong.
The whole “beating everyone in one night” is such a misconception
He never beats all of his villains. Because some villains are absent in each game
Plus he always does it in 1v1s.
The only thing that proves is that Batman has ridiculous stamina for a “peak human”
It’s such a terrible point to hype up
@@TheGamingRift11lmao are u kidding? He’s talking about all the villains Batman beats in Arkham knight, which literally takes place in one night. He also defeats an entire army that was designed to kill him, that was planned for months by multiple people, which is cannon in Arkham 😂 lmao how is it a “terrible point to hype up.” That’s such a biased thing to say. Maybe Spider-Man would win but still u have to add that if u want to be fair, which you’re obviously not interested in doing.
@@riodelsol3876 Just remember that in the origins batman handled 9 the most deadliest assassins in the world in just 1 christmas night. Even tho Bruce was young to his batman life. Still Pete can't beat Rhino without his boyfriend MIles Morales.. Yup
@@hedonist9249 "Still Pete can't beat Rhino without his boyfriend MIles Morales.." The same Pete who was able to beat Rhino whilst getting jumped by him and Scorpion? Interesting.
@@LibraKai yes, that's the same Pete. He can't do a thing alone now
Spidey didn’t need anti ock suit, he needed it to beat otto without killing him
@@NinjaPepe12071 …..so we agree he needed it then?
@@TheGamingRift11 yeah lol I kinna contradicted myself
@@TheGamingRift11 no he means he needed it for ottos PROTECTION he couldve just killed him given he wanted to
Personally, this is one of the best takes I have seen on the topic in a LONG while. People tend to either downplay Spider-Man, downplay Batman, or they just make them seem stronger than they actually are, because they usually don't know how to actually compare feats and strength levels. Thankfully in this video you went over solid strength feats of both characters, and PROVED your case as to why one person would win each category, so, props to you, great job with the video/
7:05 "Always hold back and never kill their enemies"
Peter: Proceeds to break someone's neck.
Batman: TALK!! NOW!! (After delivering three hundred punches to someone's dome)
The finishers in these games are insane XD
to hell with the debate, I want to see an Arkham Batman crossover with Insomniac Spiderman
Perfect video
Now let’s see who disagrees and their points
I'll get the popcorn ready lol
They only thing i can say is, batman might win if you give him a month of prep time, but if you put them right next to each other right now, spiderman wins.
@@ShadowCat_Gamingif you give Bruce prep time then Peter should also get prep time, and from there on I say the one with powers wins
@@Alchemy_And_Anarchy preach.
Suicide squad game is canon and arkham Batman react to flash.
A feat of speed that is enough for peter.
Plus I get that people don’t like the game but Batman is not nerf there.
The suicide squad is buff
The only reason this debate is still going is because the people who think Batman can beat him will just keep arguing until they find a way to make Batman come out on top; even if that means pulling out alternate reality versions for a cheap W. Cause lets face it, that's the only way Bruce wins this.
You know if this is how much batman can scale imagine how powerful spiderman would be if he had batman training and arkham knight suit
We all know that Batman with a prep time, is basically unbeatable
Tell that to the suicide squad in SSKTJL 🤷♂️
Kratos or Ellie that’s a fair fight
Ellie mid diffs Dante and the doom slayer
LMAOOOOOOOOO
Argument for spiderman: "hes just holding back bro"
Good video and strong analysis but there is one thing I have to disagree with you one; you mentioned that Doc Ock could overpower a base Spider-Man but don’t forget that Spider-Man had just fought Mr Negative and before that dozens perhaps hundreds of enemies and Scorpion & Rhino an hour or two before and was likely emotionally nerfed due to his being emotionally shattered with Otto’s fall. Something else to mention is that Otto likely knew Spider-Man’s suit’s shortcomings since he designed it.
@@SpiderJack99 Otto also nearly killed Anti ock Peter. It’s implied that even if base Pete was at 100% he would’ve still lost to Otto
@@TheGamingRift11 while Peter did almost die don’t forget that he was likely holding back slightly in order to to get the anti serum destroyed in the crossfire, was in a new suit so was likely still getting used to it, he was even more fatigued and injured before and emotionally nerfed due to fighting the man who was essentially his 2nd father (figure).
@@SpiderJack99Spidey all ways holds back anyway, plus he would probably know that Dock Ock probably wouldn’t risk destroying the serum aswel, as I’m pretty sure that after he killed Norman he was gonna cure everyone, seeing as he has no use for it anymore, so he would probably be keeping it safe anyway, also Spidey built that suit accustomed to himself, so I doubt he would need to ‘get used to it’ plus it was stated that Dock Ock easily outmatched a base PS4 Peter
Ok so this is something that bothers me with versus debates-- Fristly, Spider-Man would win either way, I have no doubts about that, but I'm in the belief that the CHARACTER of these characters should remain intact. If these two were to fight, it should be THEM, not bloodlusted shells of them. Again in this case I think it's irrelevant, but I think it's just-- kind of silly to add a-- To Bruce at least, impossible factor. Y'know, unless you WANT to count Suicide Squad.
Character should only matter when judging how impressive the feats are
But in a vs battle morals should be off for obvious reasons
@@TheGamingRift11 true but death battle has this thing were they're now struggling on how to make deaths wholesome and shiz, just make a "who'll win or who'll last. battle."
They act differently every time. You Can’t go by that because it changes depending on the plot. That’s why Spiderman can dodge bullets, but get hit by ordinary humans.
@@TheGamingRift11 See that's actually why I say their character matters for these things. It adds an extra dynamic that makes the battle more interesting. Maybe that's just me thinking versus matches should also be something of a story to tell. It's just a personal gripe though, at the end of the day.
Very accurate, maybe do a round 2 with Symbiote pete vs SSKTJL Batman
PUFFER
How about no don't do that one cause Spider-Man still stomps. SSKTJL Batman was defeated by guns, then died by a gun. It's not even close.
@I-Am-Batman_1988 tbh idek how it would end. For the most part, it's the same outcome, but now fear toxin is in play. Unless you think it's possible for him to resist due to Scorpion's poison.
@@I-Am-Batman_1988 City level scaling, with Light speed - MFTL Speed scaling.
Yeah he's clapping Pete, too fast, too skilled, way to smart, and too physically imposing.
@@Comicedits39 he loses to 3 humans and a mutant shark that shoots guns but he beats Peter? Sure lol.
Everyone chilling with spider-man defeating batman until he calls alfred and says "alfred ready the spider stopper"💀
Peter in the insomniac comics built a suit that made him move so fast time around him stopped. He designed this suit in a few hours if I recall, IQ wise I don't know how people think humans in DC can compare to marvel 😭
You clearly don't know anything about DC if you think that.
Bro is dio
@@karimdavis7065 DC does not have a scientist like reed richards I love comics and prefer DC comics ^^
Be quiet and don’t scale intelligence. Batman badly humiliates Spidey in intelligence and would win in a fight due to that
@@Nietz578 Straight delusion, peter makes calculations for every move he takes, is a better inventor, and has better creation feats then batman by a landslide. It takes batman years to prepare to fight super powered people who are above building level
BRO I THOUGHT SPIDERMAN WAS DOING THE MIDDLE FINGER IN THE THUMBNAIL
Lmao 😅
Even though it doesn't matter because arkham batman isn't multi city block level but saying spiderman is 100x than that is kinda crazy. I could be wrong but I don't think otto meant the arms could move at the speed of light I think that's supposed to be the delay between his brain and arms. I also don't think spiderman is 10 times faster than the speed of light as I've literally never heard that in my life and that really wouldn't make sense. Other than that this was an amazing video. I don't like how people pretend spiderman has 0 combat skill and I've seen people say he was just small building level which is just stupid. I think peter is more city block and batman is more small building large building level. But you did a good job giving both of them the benefit of the doubt.
I think overall peter is just too strong for arkham batman as I think even though he is clearly a better fighter he needs all the right plays to even get a chance in (this situation) killing peter. Another thing to add as I feel like on paper a lot of characters are stronger than games every let them be portrayed because one moment you could see batman tanking full rounds of guns to getting knocked off a building by a gun shot. Same thing goes with spiderman as (this shit pissed me off in spiderman 2) he outright almost dies if miles wasn't there twice in the games where he would of died from getting drowned by sand to getting knocked out by I think a missile when chasing the lizard. Him dying to a knife is literally dumb too. I'm pretty sure it was just a big ass knife too.
So I guess on paper spiderman shouldn't be phased at all by anything batman throws at him, I think if he was literally shot by his tank and batman unloaded just multiple bullets in him it could kill him. But this isn't even taking in symbiote spiderman who would mop arkham batman.
Symbiote is kinda funny argument. MAYBE anti-venom doesn't have it's weaknesses (which would be absurd), but the loud sounds showed symbiote to be some joke in Spider Man 2 (Craven and Miles fight). It might even be considered as a downgrade for Peter honestly.
Also why is this about killing specifically?
You guys would think that, since Death Battle & Superhero beat down made the Spider-Man Vs Batman video, you would assume everyone moved on and got better with their lives.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios ??
Now let's see spider-man vs Alfred
The real winner is decided by in whichever verse they put the fighters in
Irrelevant 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 kinda is tho because if it’s in Batman’s verse the plot armor will carry
@@Boeh-vz5hf plot armiur ?
@@Boeh-vz5hfwhat plot armour? Batman didn’t have any?
Congrats on giving the most original and boring answer for this conversation
Saw your previous spidey vs Arkham Batman. VERY excited to see whatcha got
Also I don’t think spider-man’s equipment rivals Batman’s at all because I have yet to see him make a car that can turn into a tank or a jet that can go faster than any normal military jet. Batman’s car can also make earth quakes into the ground just like spider-man
There’s 2 reasons Spiderman doesn’t need a car….nor a jet…..nor a tank…..
1. No money to build one
2. He’s too powerful to need one
Money
He's just smart, not rich.
I don’t know if this makes it more in Peter’s favor, but a lot of people don’t mention that under Scorpio’s toxin (which had him hallucinating objects, audio and touching things that don’t exist) still was able to keep his mind straight enough to cure himself of said toxin
He still hallucinated, I feel like batman could even the playing field with his new modified fear toxin he gets in arkham knights
If its a suprise 1v1, Spider-Man wins. If its a planned encounter, Batman wins. It's that simple. And yet people will argue on and on saying crap like "Batman can dodge Spider-Man" or "Spider-Man is smarter than batman"(Which is bogus). Like guys, it's not THAT complicated.
shouldn't it be the opposite with spiderman dodging and batman being smarter?
@@aza5871 Yea that's what I said. I was saying it's dumb to think batman can magically dodge spider-man or that spider-man is somehow smarter than batman.
I knew I wasn’t the only one that remembered that mission 2:28
"bUt iF bAtMaN hAs tImE tO pRePaRe hImSeLf-"
He doesn’t even need time lmao. He’d figure smth out in under a minute like he did in the Arkham games. Spiderman stands no chance
@@Darwinthegoat2709 💀
@@MoonS4444 what if Pete doesn't have Miles Morales besides him? Rhino solos Pete lmao
@hedonist9249 straight up just hating
If both are fighting to kill, Spider-Man’s killing Batman in one move
Not to mention Spiderman has anti-venom now 😂😂😂
That would just be a disadvantege because batman could just use sound to beat him. In my opinion though, if you give batman a month or 2 of prep time he would probably win, but if they fought on the spot batmans dead.
@@ShadowCat_Gamingyou....you are aware the anti symbiote doesn't have weakness to sound, right? And even then it isn't sound. It's high frequency. Which you'd need to prove batman can produce. Not to mention symbiotes are able to adapt to anything and even adapt a limited resistance to their weakness to fully resisting it over time.
Respect your opinion though.
@@ShadowCat_Gaming im not fully sure about that. I know the “insomniac” universe venom doesn’t have the weakness to fire. So I’m not sure if the Anti Venom also has the privilege of being invulnerable to sound ways based upon the combined powers of Mr. Negative.
Also… I think that the prep time gets a bit overstated. If we’re giving Batman 2 months of prep. We gotta give Peter the same thing.
That’s always my rebuttal with Batman vs Superman too. Give them both 1 year of prep. The outcome is the same😅😂😅
True but that’s more of a round 2 scenario
@@TheGamingRift11round 2 more like execution
one thing at 5:35, otto says neurotransmission speeds under one nano second, as in there’s effectively zero delay between his brain and the arms, not that the arms can physically execute tasks under one nanosecond. he can just control them as if they were his own limbs, if not better than that, but he doesn’t say anything about the speed of the arms themselves in that cutscene (haven’t played the game so idk about the rest).
Lowkey Peter would’ve won That 1v6 if he put a little strength in it. Cuz he was about to knock rhino out😂😂😂😂😂
If the fight took place in the city it could’ve been closer
Venom from Spiderman 2 PS5 beats like basically all of Batman’s villains at the same time
Two words. Circle Triangle
Watch the video instead of saying some bullshit buttons, spiderman slams batman
@@Zayne_xeno dude... those buttons are for spiderman finisher in insomniac...
Batman would break Spider-Man’s bones and send him back to his uncle
@@Nietz578 You are absolutely delusional if you think that.
I feel like Peter's crane feat and him 1v2ing electro and vulture at the same time is enough to barely beat Batman.
@@zage932 barely?
@@TheGamingRift11 I say barely so no Batman superfan goes above and beyond to find my home address (It's happened once).
If Spidey has spider-verse then Batman can have Bat-Mite
@@Batmanwhodrinks ?
He does not have Bat-mite
Is this some bat-cope lol
two completely different things
The fact that most of spidys best feats are in base, then you add anti venom💀
Insomniac Spider-Man FTW
I don’t wanna take away from the hacking part but keep in mind. Bruce Wayne enterprise has most of the technology in the world and most of the time he’s hacking his own technology. So I’m not sure if the hacking part stands up in a fight at least.
i mean lets be honest
batman is human not superhuman
but he stil beat great white shark with his hand in arkham city
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ROUND 2:
Corrupted symbiote spiderman
VS
Corrupted Jokerized Batman
Best stupid claim I've seen is that Arkham Batman can hold his own against Bane, who would crush Pete with no effort...as if Pete hasn't faced the likes of The Lizard, The Rhino and Venom, all of whom have super strength without needing to be amped up on a drug and almost certainly could break Venomed up Bane in half if they really wanted to.
To make it worse, they were saying Arkham Bruce would beat comic Pete in physical strength, the guy who has literally punched an armored superhuman's jaw clean off just by not holding back (well technically that was Otto but he was using Pete's body when he did it). As if comic Pete couldn't cave Bruce's skull in with a single good punch.
Remember, this ain’t maximum plot armor comic Batman. It’s Arkham Batman. So he can very reasonably be beaten by Peter.
Do web of shadows vs insomica next i wanna see how that would go down
Don’t forget Peter has the anti-venom suit at his disposal
Batman is cooked 💀
spiderman doesn't move close to light speed, it was mentioned by octavius that the NERVE SIGNAL (Neuro transmission) was transferred to the arms under a nanosecond, that statment has nothing to do with the arms speed. Also electros shock doesn't move close to the speed of lightning so comparing that to the lighning mentioned in arkham is pointless.
The octavius arms thing is true, but the electro is not
Brotha Batman has literally one shotted king shark who’s can go toe to toe with Superman ur just glazing Spider-Man.with the old super strength when Spider-Man couldn’t even lift a damn crane and Spider-Man couldn’t dodge scorpions attacks and couldn’t dodge taskmasters traps and when his villains jumped him he couldn’t do nothing while Batman can one shot deathstroke who is significantly stronger than Spider-Man and his whole villain gallery safe to say Batman is one shotting we can debate bout this to
King shark doesn’t scale to superman. Idk why Amanda Waller said that since the game contradicts that notion all the time
@@TheGamingRift11 welp she said it they fought before the game so it proves 🤷
@@Thomaselliotakahusn the only thing it proves is 0
Especially given the game contradicts that notion repeatedly.
Especially as a stronger Batman only one shots the weakest version of king shark
Since consistently throughout the game KS and the squad get significantly more powerful as they get different tech to counter JL members.
That amped suicide squad with their own fear toxin ended up beating Batman (somehow)
With that same squad with speed force tech etc being insignificant next to superman and needed a massive amount of gold Kryptonite
Especially as KS and the squad got folded by base wonderwoman - who superman killed even when she had Kryptonite 🤷♂️
Also in the attack on Arkham film, King shark and a roster of the suicide squad struggled to beat Base Batman…… with that same Batman being weaker than the one in Knight. so unless Base Batman = Base superman pretty obvious it’s not true.
Especially as Waller lies and manipulates all the time.
@@TheGamingRift11 well it shows a weaker Batman has the strength to one shot king shark who’s said to be Superman level so Amanda Waller is right in this case it shows Batman would just one shot Spiderman
@@Thomaselliotakahusn if thats the case then the entire Arkham series is shit since at no point in time does Batman ever demonstrate to be a planet buster nor MFTL in the first 4 games.
I appreciate you wanting Batman to beat Spiderman but please actually think about what you just said.
Idk why this is even a debate really. You could give Batman every advantage and he'd still lose most of the time. Spiderman is just that much faster, stronger, and agile. Spiderman's abilities alone is enough to push him over the top but the fact that he's also a genius means Batman's one big advantage isn't even that big.
Spiderman has been able to create his own cures, suits, and gadgets with no money. Batman with basically unlimited money usually has his stuff engineered by other people as he focuses on being a detective and not an engineer but his products arent as impressive as Spiderman's. Batman is extremely perceptive, it's not better than Spiderman's Spidey sense tho, which instinctively gives Spiderman info and doesnt require it to be danger or a time limit.
i think batman wins intelligence, skill and equipment but still tho spidey is would smoke b-man
The weird thing is arguing who would win between two hero’s who would undoubtedly get along. Batman could only win against Peter like he does against Darkseid by making a serious threat to Peter such as making it to where if Peter attacks his identity is leaked or something but Parker would physically beat Batman. Id like to see them as a duo more often but for duos it’d also be cool to see how Batman and Ironman interact.
Insomniac Spider-Man stomps obviously
Why is this even a debate? It's not even close at all
This just shows that you know nothing about Arkham Batman
@@karimdavis7065 I do know Arkham Batman, been playing Arkham games since 2021
I just don't overrated him like his fanboys did
Also did you even watch the video cuz Rift already explained why Spider-Man wins
I feel like batman could have a chance with the modified fear toxin
I'd like to *imagine* Arkham Batman physically competing with Insomnaic Spider-Man and beating him due to a slight advantage in experience and intelligence... but that's the most to it. It's just my imagination. Your video is pretty clear to how much of a mismatch this is, even if it's thematically interesting.
Bit of a tangent, but I gave up serious powerscaling and discussing hypothetical battles because topics like Marvel vs DC / OPM vs DBZ / Kratos vs anyone were really toxic and just stopped being fun. I would find it more fun to see Cavill Superman be beaten by Reynolds Deadpool or Goku to be taken out by Green Arrow's boxing glow arrow, even if it makes zero sense powerscaling-wise.
So hearing about Arkham Batman vs Insomnaic Spider-Man gave me some bad memories about that, but it honestly feels more tame and calm by comparison. Arkham Batman in general helped bring back my interest in powerscaling because of how cool his feats were in Arkham Knight and Arkham Origins, specifically Fear Multi-Takedowns. He's not going to be catching hands with Silver Surfer or beating the shit out of Black Adam, but it's still cool enough to watch while grounded enough that it's physically believable by Batman standards
It definitely has a level of toxicity to it but it’s never that big a problem
Batman: Arkham games are far superior.
Irrelevant.
@@dawudabdulali3827they really are superior tho😂
I don't know about being far superior. But I do agree that they are superior.
@@AllDayErrDay. Yes i exaggerated a little. To say Batman Arkham games are superior to Spider Man games is enough. They are both amazing game series.
@@urazoktay7940 Any Arkham game > Any Spider Man game
W video gamingrift!
its funny how u didnt bring up the anti venom suit lmao
Yep. Base versions for this video. If people wanna see a round 2 I don’t mind
@@TheGamingRift11 omfg please make a round 2 lmao. i wanna see people mad lol
@@JeirinZandamaki might do
@@TheGamingRift11 🙏
@@TheGamingRift11 YES PLEASE!!
one guy is intelligent and has a lot of tech
another guy is also intelligent and has a lot of tech, but has op super powers too
yeah this is not even close pete's spidey powers dont even have exploitable weaknesses for batman to discover
Batman is more intelligent and has more and better tech. Batman destroys Spiderman lil bro. Spider-Man’s powers are the only thing that’s saving him
The funniest part for me is people getting mad about this because it doesn't even matter. The fact that spidey would kick his ass doesn't make batman any less cool in his verse because spidey doesnt exsist there lmao, he's still top dawg in gotham. It always just devolves into whose favorite character is the bestestest
Well If we choose to use suicide squad kill the justice league as arkham canon batman scales above king shark who's stated to be a physical equal to superman by waller whos faster than light nuke level In durability and via statements can hold planets by batman aswell as batman has mastery over using fear toxin consistently and ps4 spidey doesn't have alot of resistance to mental attacks and drugs he was almost dieing to scorpions venom induced hallucinations batmans suit is the same materials as flashs suit whos taken attacks from green lantern who scales to superman batman also should scale somewhat to the league in speed and with his brainiac enhancements and come to faster than light speeds so i think in character if we use suicide squad batmans gotten stronger just as fast if not faster and more durable and would win mid high diff since peter isnt a pushover and wont be an immediate stomp also batmans fought firefly and manbat in the air aswell as militia drones in the air so what are you talking about? Theres also the fact in the suicide squad movie joker survives a multi city block level explosion and batman scales above joker consistently hes also shown to dodge electrical attacks stated to be electricity in arkham knight prequel comics pre arkham knight suit and should scale to base time ftl since catwomans feat is consistent with batman and batman should upscale it since hes usally above catwoman theres also a feat where batman tanks multiple of banes goons firing on him and hes tanking the bullets and since batman blatantly one shoted the squad there able to fight and react to superman consistently and supermans shown to fly to the sun and back mid fight and that is calculated massively ftl
I’d be careful using that scaling since it’s very easy to debunk as the game itself contradicts that notion
@@TheGamingRift11 could you please be more specific?
@@WithcherKnight1307 claiming Bruce is anywhere close to superman in stats based on king shark statements
Since the game debunks that statement several times
King Shark is a physical equal to Superman...so much so that instead of fighting him head on he uses guns??
I think Waller may have overestimated King Shark's strength just a *little* bit
@@SCF721 I mean there guns were also amped enough to kill the league sooo using his physical strength would have been redundant
You forgot the fact that Batman in Arkham Knight was weak on jokers infected blood and fighting off scarecrows fear toxin.
That made him hallucinate Joker and other thing that never happened from the beginning to the end of the game .
And on top of that he was fighting off a person that knows all his weaknesses and strategic moves.
while that was going on he put away his entire rouges gallery and this all happed in one 12 hour night.
Batman was also literally dying in Arkham City that feat alone would give him the W
What exactly is the “feat” there?
The feat of beating every villain in the game with one foot in the grave. Including many superpowered beings.
@@TheGamingRift11 Batman spanks Spiderman. Delete this trash vid.
Batman is simply outclassed by Spider Man in most things, but people forget that Insomniac Spider Man is a seemingly quite naíve and young guy, whilst Batman is an older, master manipulator who has been doing this all his life. The biggest and most likely chance for Batman to win is through prep time, intellect, ingenuity and manipulation. Now as some people stated in the comments "Why does Batman get prep time and Spiderman doesn't?" Well, first of all Batman's prep time is better in not just the Arkham games, but every media than Spiderman's and it's also HIS thing, Batman hasn't been bit by an OP genetically engineered spider and didn't suddenly get superpowers, he had to earn most of what he has on his own (Other than his money of course) so it stands to reason he is the one who would get underestimated, and make up a better plan than Spiderman ever could. In the most logical scenario, Peter would get outsmarted and manipulated by Batman and have his powers taken away, either temporarily or maybe some way even permanently with Batman's signature prep time capabilities, after which he would get bodied due to the size and skill difference, because let's be honest, even if Spiderman's suit worked, without his powers he is...well "powerless" against Batman. In a fight to the death scenario Batman would of course get stomped, but I find these battles stupid in this way because they don't properly present the characters and hardly incorporate the character's behavior and instead just mash them together with raw strength, speed, etc etc.
TLDR: Fight to the death is quite easily won by Spiderman. Real fight between the two character incorporating their personalities can go either way, with Batman most likely coming out on top (In my opinion)
The definition of, "Tell me you're biased without telling me you're biased."
@@Clodity the irony there is that I even highballed Batman 😅 hardly “biased”
@@TheGamingRift11 Well, you did straight up lie about two things in the video. One being the speed of Otto's arms, and the other being about the affects of the disrupter. The disrupter *permanently* disable's guns, camera's, drones, medical equipment, and the radar things on the enemies backs that I forgot the name of, instead of just temporarily like you stated. The second one being Doc's arms don't "CarRy oUt tAsKs iN unDEr a NanO sEcOnD," like you said. That's the speed it takes to respond to Otto's thoughts. So basically he can move his arms at the speed of a normal human. Also, you just *didn't* include SSKTJL for some reason.
@@ClodityA normal human cant respond to something in a nano second, also, he even gave Batman the benefit of the lightning thing which is dumb when Spiderman dodges real lighting with broken bones and fatigued.
@@RevolvedScorpion I never said a human can respond to something in less than a nano second. That's how long it takes for the robot arms to respond to Otto's thoughts. Try moving your arm. It happens basically instantly, right? That's what Otto managed to pull off. And that's what Otto said he did. He said that Otto's arm was able to carry out tasks in less than a Nano second, which is a blatant lie. Also, you *really* wanna go down this route with me.
@@Clodity Damn bro sry i misread the comment. But to be fair even so Spidsrman dodging electros blast with broken bones and fatigued is more impressive than anything Batman does.
Great video, really interested what are your thoughts about insomniac's spidey vs web of shadows ?
Might make a vid on it sometime
@@TheGamingRift11 cool
Arkham Batman shreds Insomniac Spider Man. Spider Man would defo have the massive advantage, but Batman is just so crazy experienced and capable of taking down an entire army in one night. He would tire out Spiderman, and use his gadgets to set traps and damage Spider-Man’s tech. His fighting skill is better, and he would deal massive damage. Batman’s armour would resist a lot of Spider-Man’s attacks.
The only way Spiderman wins is in a direct head on, if Batman charges in stupidly. Batman would see he’s outmatched, use his gadgets and think of a plan to beat Spider-Man. He’d probably take a sample of Spider-Man’s webs and create a remote batarang that targets that web signature only. Batman has done crazy stuff in one night, and I really don’t see Spider-Man having the willpower or skill to take down Batman.
Batman’s trump card would be the Batmobile and Fear Toxin. He could just sit in the Batmobile all night and shoot at Spider-Man. Using the fear toxin, he’d clog Spider-Man’s senses, (similar to how Scorpion did), and then he’d take him down fairly easily.
The symbiote is harder, but Batman would quickly find out Sound is Spider-Man’s weakness, essentially making it game over.
Batman beats Spider-Man, don’t get why you guys think Spider-Man would win
@@Darwinthegoat2709 no one is denying batman is experienced, however none of his experience is gunna prepare him for Spiderman 🤷♂️
Batman vs Spider Man is interesting but I would say both can win it depends on the situation in a sudden fight Spider Man would win but if Batman had time to prepare for the fight like in Batman Vs Superman Batman would win.
Random civilian: if you and Spider-Man were to fight who'd when
Arkham Batman: if he were to use his webs he might cause me some trouble
Random civilian: but would you lose
Arkham Batman: I'm Batman (nah id win)
He's getting diffed
This shouldn’t even be a debate since we’re comparing video game characters that could just retry the fight every time 😭😭🙏
If someone reading this has a different opinion to my own, then we can gladly discuss it. These are just my thoughts and can absolutely be wrong.
Why would property damage suddenly raise the earthquake up to level 8? He could have just meant the glass of the houses right next to where Peter landed, if These damages were caused at the very end of the City then it could potentially be higher. The highest end you can reasonably put Peter at is small town level with the symbiote, due to scaling to miles, who barely survived the huge explosion at the end of his game. Anything higher than that is reliant on Peter somehow scaling to sandman. He doesn't, he avoids fighting him directly and uses his weaknesses against him. He isn't anywhere near his level of strength.
Otto being described as the 'ultimate' villain could just be in reference to his intelligence, rather than his power. The Peter he beat also had fiifteen broken bones, meaning he wasn't at one hundred percent.
Otto was referring to the time it takes for his commands to reach the arms, they do not travel that fast, they just receive directions at that speed.
All his spider sense does is give him a Heads up, it doesn't make him move out of the way. If Peter were to face someone far faster than himself, then this sense would be useless, as Peter wouldn't be fast enough to react. He has to still look around to know what is attacking him and then move his body out of the way.
I, personally, do not take this seriously, but it is worth mentioning. Venom, someone far above an amped peter, gets his skin pierced by bullets from a helicopter. The joule output of bullets can of course range, but is usually found to be in the hundreds to thousands. Considering bane's feat is said to be in the millions, it would mean that batman would be far stronger than someone who is able to knock out an amped peter.
I'd like to discuss it if you don't mind.
"Why would property damage suddenly raise the earthquake up to level 8? He could have just meant the glass of the houses right next to where Peter landed, if These damages were caused at the very end of the City then it could potentially be higher. The highest end you can reasonably put Peter at is small town level with the symbiote, due to scaling to miles, who barely survived the huge explosion at the end of his game. Anything higher than that is reliant on Peter somehow scaling to sandman. He doesn't, he avoids fighting him directly and uses his weaknesses against him. He isn't anywhere near his level of strength."
I agree it doesn't need to be a Magnitude 8, it's very well far less considering a Magnitude 8 is equivalent to 1 Gigaton of TNT, which is the maximum for Mountain and minimum for Large Mountain levels. However, when considering it was stated these could be felt throughout the entirety of NYC and the idea that Jonah said there could be ANY potential property damage, it would have to be at least Magnitude 4, which is roughly 1,000 metric tons of TNT -- the endpoint of Multi-City Block+ and the beginning of Small Town. This can actually track considering the whole calculations with the sandstorm; Peter's surface area doesn't scale to the full brunt of the blast, but with the right calculations (that being the joules of intensity * [Peter's body surface area/the sandstorm's surface area), you'll find that the Multi-Continental would scale to City level, but the lower-end Large Island calculations would scale it to Multi-City Block. Given Bats' own upscaling from Arkham City, he may -- at his absolute highest possible wank -- be the lower end of City Block, so Pete would indeed still be ~100x stronger.
"Otto being described as the 'ultimate' villain could just be in reference to his intelligence, rather than his power. The Peter he beat also had fiifteen broken bones, meaning he wasn't at one hundred percent." 14 broken bones, but this is true. That said, the power of the tentacles was still great enough that Peter needed the Anti-Ock suit to equalize; though arguably, given how strong those tentacles can be to even break off some of the Anti-Ock, which was noted to increase Pete's durability, even if Pete was at 100% and this suit would put him a little more comfortably into Small Town levels, it would mean Ock's tentacles still had enough power to be in the Multi-City Block to Multi-City Block+ range -- he won't two-piece combo Peter to death, but still just enough to wear him down to that point.
"Otto was referring to the time it takes for his commands to reach the arms, they do not travel that fast, they just receive directions at that speed." I also concede that it's by no means FTL, but when considering they receive the directions in under 1 nanosecond, this basically means the rest of that second is spent actually doing the direction. And considering the fact that Otto was able to tag Peter at all can say a lot. To me, even if we were to super-lowball and say Peter was at his absolute weakest having just beaten Li, which came right after spending the last 24-ish hours booking it through NYC and dealing with a plethora of escaped inmates, Demons, Sable agents (including Silver herself to a small extent right before facing Li), as well as the other 4 members of the Sinister Six, I personally can't see the tentacles' speed get lower than Massively Hypersonic (particularly since I upscale Spider-Man above that due to him having done this in a weakened state against Electro; though if you ask me even the Electro feat could be damn well higher).
"All his spider sense does is give him a Heads up, it doesn't make him move out of the way. If Peter were to face someone far faster than himself, then this sense would be useless, as Peter wouldn't be fast enough to react. He has to still look around to know what is attacking him and then move his body out of the way." Which is exactly why it would work against Batman, because Batman is NOT faster than Spider-Man. Batman's Massively Hypersonic scaling is arguably a point of contention; even if he were to scale to Catwoman who actually performed the feat, it was both a) while Selina was in top condition, and b) only performed ONCE. Thus, Batman's REACTION speed would be Massively Hypersonic at its absolute max, but in terms of actual combat speed he would be a fair chunk below, especially compared to Spider-Man who was actually able to react far more consistently, and in a weaker state.
"I, personally, do not take this seriously, but it is worth mentioning. Venom, someone far above an amped peter, gets his skin pierced by bullets from a helicopter. The joule output of bullets can of course range, but is usually found to be in the hundreds to thousands. Considering bane's feat is said to be in the millions, it would mean that batman would be far stronger than someone who is able to knock out an amped peter" Venom was not "pierced" by the bullets, it's just absorbing their impact; they just splash against him, since his body is a hulking mass of goo. It'd be like saying Terminator's T800 or even T850 is more durable than the T-1000 because they're not made out of liquid metal.
@LibraKai Sure, I would not mind.
"I agree it doesn't need to be a magnitude 8, it's very well far less considering a magnitude 8 is equivalent to 1 gigaton of TNT, which is the maximum of mountain and minimum for large mountain levels. However, when considering it was stated these could be felt throughout the entirety of NYC and the idea that Jonah said that there could be ANY potential property damage, it would have to be at least magnitude 4, which is roughly 1,000 metric Tons TNT- the endpoint of multi-City block+ and the Beginning of small town. This can actually track, considering the whole calculations with the sandstorms; peter's surface area doesn't scale to the full Brunt of the blast, but with the right calculations, you'll find that the multi-continental would scale to City level but the lower-end large Island calculations would scale it to multi-city Block. Given Bats' own upscaling from arkham city, he may- at his absolute highest possible wank- be the lower end of City block level, so pete would still indeed be ≈ 100× stronger."
Is it only jonah saying that the shockwaves could be felt throughout new York? If it is, it could be that he simply wants Peter to look bad and is just exaggerating the damage. This would make sense as he does create multiple theories about peter to make him look bad throughout his poscast "just the facts with J. Jonah Jameson." I would be fine with saying that Peter, at his highest and with the symbiote, would be in the multi City block Ranges of Power. However, granting that level to normal Peter seems a bit of a stretch, considering that he aeems to be knocked out by far less powerful things, such as getting hit by the small Box that was attached to the crane, (does that Box have a name?) or getting knocked out from a rocket Launcher, while wearing the symbiote that drastically increases his strength to a level he could have never achieved on his own. Though once again, i can agree to Peter with the symbiote reaching these multi City block levels of power at his high end. However, i don't agree withbatman reaching any higher than small building level, due to the fact that the batman from the arkham games is simply not as strong as his comic book counterpart. Wall to small building level is far more consistent for arkham batman than anything higher. And i just don't think that the methods that bring arkham batman higher are any good.
"14 broken bones, but this is true. That said, the power of the tentacles was still great enough that Peter needed the anti-ock suit to equalize; though arguably, given how strong those tentacles can be to even break off some of the anti-ock suit, which is noted to increase peter's durability, even if pete was at 100% and this suit would put him more comfortably into small town levels, it would mean that ock's tentacles still had enough power to be in the multi-city Block to multi-city Block+ range- he won't two piece combo Peter to death, but still just enough power to wear him down to that point."
The only reason he needed the suit was because Peter was already tited, weak and sleep deprived for most of the end of the Story. That doesn't mean that Otto scales to Peter in any way, shape or form. The boost in durability that Peter gets is also unquantifiable, given his heavily weakened and fatigued state. Not only that, but Peter would never fight Otto seriously and would definetely pull his punches against a mentor figure like Otto. Spider-man also says to taskmaster that he holds back, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that he would be going easy on octavius. Yes, the tentacles can damage the suit, but that is because they are made from the same materials. All we can gather from that is that the tentacles can damage Themselves, which doesn't matter since they never do anything impressive. They don't scale to Peter and Otto was unable to beat a heavily fatigued, sleep deprived and holding back Peter. That isn't really a feat for Spider-man. Or maybe i am wrong and you have a different opinion on that whole thing. I would love to read it.
"I also concede that it is by no means ftl, but when considering they receive the directions in under 1 nanosecond, this basically means that the rest of that second is spent actually doing the direction. And considering the fact that Otto was able to tag Peter at all can say a lot. To me, even if we were to super-lowball and say that Peter was at his absolute weakest having just beaten Li, which came right after spending the last 24-ish hours booking it through NYC and dealing with a plethora of escaped inmates, demons, sable agents ( including sable herself to a small extent right before facing Li), as well as the other four members of the sinister six, i personally can't see the tentacles' speed get slower than massively hypersonic (particularly since i upscale Spider-man above that due to him having done it in a weakened state against electro; though if you ask me even the electro feat could be damn well higher)"
I agree that the tentacles could be as fast as Peter in his fight against electro.
"Which is exactly why it would work against batman, because batman is not faster than Spider-man. Batman's massively hypersonic scaling is arguably a point of contention: even if he were to scale to catwoman, who actually performed the feat, it was both a) whike selina was in top condition and b) only performed once. Thus, batman's reaction speed would be massively hypersonic at its absolute max, but in terms of actual combat speed he would be a fair chunk below, Especially compared to Spider-man who was actually able to react far more consistently and in a weakened state."
I don't see why your points would make the feat contentious. Yes, it was performed once, but that doesn't make it invalid. The arkham games don't have people that can throw electricity around for batman to dodge. And considering the Text says that she blatantly dodged it, means that batman would scale to it, as he beat catwoman while blinded and at an extremely early point in his career in "arkham origins blackgate."
"An ark of electricity lashed out from the ceiling. Selina dodged it, all reflexes, and saw her attacker floating above the vent."
Taken from batman arkham knight.
Keep in mind that, because batman could already beat her in origins blackgate, arkham knight batman would be far faster than that, due to bruce himself saying that his new siit is faster and more mobile than any prior Version. So bruce and Peter are at the very least relative in terms of speed.
@@djb9267 "Is it only jonah saying that the shockwaves could be felt throughout new York? If it is, it could be that he simply wants Peter to look bad and is just exaggerating the damage. This would make sense as he does create multiple theories about peter to make him look bad throughout his poscast "just the facts with J. Jonah Jameson." I would be fine with saying that Peter, at his highest and with the symbiote, would be in the multi City block Ranges of Power. However, granting that level to normal Peter seems a bit of a stretch, considering that he aeems to be knocked out by far less powerful things, such as getting hit by the small Box that was attached to the crane, (does that Box have a name?) or getting knocked out from a rocket Launcher, while wearing the symbiote that drastically increases his strength to a level he could have never achieved on his own. Though once again, i can agree to Peter with the symbiote reaching these multi City block levels of power at his high end. However, i don't agree withbatman reaching any higher than small building level, due to the fact that the batman from the arkham games is simply not as strong as his comic book counterpart. Wall to small building level is far more consistent for arkham batman than anything higher. And i just don't think that the methods that bring arkham batman higher are any good."
I figure that would be considered, which is why I had taken time to consider the context. For one, within the mission Peter notes that Oscorp's satellites can take seismic images of what's underground if he hits the ground hard enough. Whilst there is no verbal confirmation in the game, I do recall there is a text from the in-game Twitter referencing the mission from the tremors it caused. Short of having to replay the entire game from the beginning again (which I'd have to do anyway since I have the Remastered Edition), it'd be hard to remember the full details, but I do know it's there. As for the multi-city block levels only with the symbiote, I'd disagree. Keep in mind before the events of the first game, Peter stated that Rhino managed to demolish 6 city blocks in their first encounter. The fact that even after having beaten him before Peter was worried to face him means that on top of him being fatigued, Rhino himself likely got stronger. It's been stated earlier in the game before Otto's breakout, Rhino tried escaping his cell and damn near succeeded before being moved to a new one. Do keep in mind, the Raft by all accounts is a Supermax stated to be specifically designed for super-criminals, so he had to have been either getting stronger, or just been wearing at it for years; if you ask me, it may very well be a mix of both. Plus, for that last part, they don't necessarily "have" to be relative or below their counterparts base-to-base, especially considering the comics by all accounts have the means to skyrocket them into universal and even multiversal scaling if they wanted. In fairness though, I did say low City Block for Bats was a "highest possible wank", so it's like a "maybe if you squint at certain things from the right angle", but in reality would say Arkham Batman could be at least the higher end of Small Building to the lower end of Large Building.
Whilst Pete got knocked out by that small box thing (called a hook block), he was caught relatively off-guard since he was in the middle of stopping the entire tower crane from falling before it practically whipped him in his back. Plus those things are a lot heavier than one expects; given how it managed to temporarily knock Peter out, I'd say it was probably in the 80-100 ton range. Though I'm not sure what rocket launcher he was knocked out by, short of maybe the one used by the Demons right before said crane hit, but I'm pretty sure he got right back up; it just sorta stunned him, which considering they were amped by Mr. Negative's powers, doesn't seem like much a stretch to say they're stronger than the average RPG.. but that's just me.
"I don't see why your points would make the feat contentious. Yes, it was performed once, but that doesn't make it invalid. The arkham games don't have people that can throw electricity around for batman to dodge. And considering the text says that she blatantly dodged it, means that batman would scale to it, as he beat catwoman while blinded and at an extremely early point in his career in arkham origins blackgate. 'An ark of electricity lashed out from the ceiling. Selina dodged it, all reflexes, and saw her attacker floating above the vent'. Taken from batman arkham knight./K eep in mind that, because batman could already beat her in origins blackgate, arkham knight batman would be far faster than that, due to bruce himself saying that his new siit is faster and more mobile than any prior Version. So bruce and Peter are at the very least relative in terms of speed."
I'm putting this part here first just because it feels like it works as a continuation from my earlier point. Even if the games don't have people who can shoot electricity, they at the very least still had the equipment itself; it was stated (or at least heavily implied) that the bolt was from one of the Arkham Knight's mini drones that Riddler managed to pilot. Furthermore, Origins Catwoman is not the same as Knight Catwoman, as she likely improved and gotten faster and stronger given her experiences. Basically my point is, I can't dismiss it as a blatant outlier like Rift, but given we haven't actually seen it and only heard about it, I just feel it seems more like something he can comprehend, without actually moving at that speed. Best I can describe it is that one time in the comics where Spidey and Daredevil fought; Daredevil could "see" Spider-Man with his heightened senses and even predicted he was going to throw a punch, but his body simply was not fast enough to react. I argue it's like that for Batman; he could comprehend things moving at Massively Hypersonic, and even manage to get a couple dodges out, but in terms of frequently moving that fast feels... a bit off.
Still, based on your point, if I don't find it all that unbelievable that Spider-Man scales to, if not slightly above a [likely] weaker Rhino who could "demolish" six city blocks -- especially considering that even though Rhino is more than capable of beating his ass with his brute strength -- Pete STILL holds back, at least to the degree of not outright killing him, then by that same token Batman should be given the same fairness and could be MHS after getting the Tri-weave Batsuit, maybe even MHS+ considering he had another suit before, and the events of Selina's capture happened before the events of the game, so it could very well be an upscale.
"The only reason he needed the suit was because Peter was already tired, weak and sleep deprived for most of the end of the Story. That doesn't mean that Otto scales to Peter in any way, shape or form. The boost in durability that Peter gets is also unquantifiable, given his heavily weakened and fatigued state. Not only that, but Peter would never fight Otto seriously and would definetely pull his punches against a mentor figure like Otto. Spider-man also says to taskmaster that he holds back, so it isn't unreasonable to assume that he would be going easy on octavius. Yes, the tentacles can damage the suit, but that is because they are made from the same materials. All we can gather from that is that the tentacles can damage Themselves, which doesn't matter since they never do anything impressive. They don't scale to Peter and Otto was unable to beat a heavily fatigued, sleep deprived and holding back Peter. That isn't really a feat for Spider-man. Or maybe i am wrong and you have a different opinion on that whole thing. I would love to read it."
I'm not necessarily saying Otto himself scales to Peter, just the tentacles, at least as far as potential. They're not a one to one scaling regardless since I still fall under the belief that Peter definitely falls into the upper-end of Multi-City Block, whereas Otto's tentacles are on the lower end. Even if weakened and fatigued -- which I know he is -- the fact he was hurt AT ALL can say more about the tentacles. I for one do feel if Peter were in tip-top shape he very well could have beaten Otto regardless, but since he was weakened he needed the suit. I just don't necessarily feel he just dropped to less than 1/10 his absolute max, especially since he still had the means to maintain a fairly impressive speed and agility against Otto after having just fought Li; but that's just me. We also have to consider a majority of the equipment for Peter's suit and Otto's tentacles came from AIM, which -- while admittedly cheating -- can have a sort of baseline rep via other incarnations on what they can do.
@@LibraKai Thank you for answering my question about the hook block. I am still learning english in school, so it is nice to see you actually providing the name, instead of just being rude.
"For one, within the Mission Peter notes that oscorp's satellites can take seismic images of what's Underground if he hits the ground hard enough. Whilst there is no verbal confirmation in the game, i do recall there is a text from the in-game Twitter Referencing the Mission from the tremors it caused. As for the multi-city Block levels only with the symbiote, i'd disagree. Keep in mind before the events of the first game, Peter stated that rhino demolished six City blocks in their first encounter. The fact that even after having beaten him before Peter was worried to face him means that on top of him being fatigued, rhino himself likely got stronger. It's been stated earlier in the game before Otto's breakout, rhino tried escaping his cell and nearly succeeded before being moved to a new one. Do keep in mind, that raft by all accounts is a supermax stated to be specifically designed for super-criminals, so he had to have been getting stronger, or just been wearing at it for years; if you ask me, it may very well be both."
If you only remember there being a message about the tremors, then it shouldn't matter. As even if that message gave a description of the damage, we have no idea of how far apart that messager and peter were. For all we know, the messager was only a couple of centimeters away from peter, explaining the description of the damage, if there even is any. We have no idea how rhino managed to destroy these City blocks, nor how long he needed to Do so. So no, that isn't a good way to get Peter any higher.
"Whilst peter got knocked out by that small box, he was caught relatively off-guard since he was in the middle of stopping the entire tower crane from falling before it practically whipped him in his back. Plus those things are a lot heavier than one expects; given how it managed to temporarily knock peter out, i'd say it was probably in the 80-100 Ton range. Though i'm not Sure by what rocket Launcher he was knocked out by, short of maybe the one used by the demons right before said crane hit, but i'm pretty Sure he got right back up; it just sorta Stunned him, which considering they were amped by mr negative's powers, doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say they're just stronger than the average rpg."
The value of the box's weight is just an assumotion on your part and has no Real meaning in this conversation. The moment in which peter got knocked out by a rocket launcher happened in the chase scene against the lizard in the second games. Kraven's men hit peter with a rocket, peter creates a Ring from the symbiote to protect himself and still gets knocked out for multiple minutes on end. Keep in mind that the symbiote significantly ampes peter's durability, to the point that he can fight kraven, who previously nearly killed him. Meaning base Peter would also be killed by a rocket, due to the symbiote being knocked out by it for a long time.
"Even if the games don't have people that throw electricity, they at the very least had the equipment itself; it was stated that the bolt was from one of the arkham knight's Mini drones that riddler managed to pilot. Further more, origins catwoman isn't the same as knight catwoman, as she likely improved and gotten faster and stronger given her experiences. Basically my point is, given that we haven't actually seen it and only Heard about it, i just feel it seems more like he can comprehend, without actually moving that speed. Best i can describe it is that one time in the comics were spidey and daredevil fought; daredevil could "see" Spider-man with his heightened senses and even predicted he was going to throw a punch, but his body simply wasn't fast enough to dodge it. I argue it's like that for batman; he could comprehend things moving at massively hypersonic speed, and even manage to get a couple dodges out, but in terms of frequent moving that fast just feels a bit off."
Can you give evidence to your claim that selina got faster? Otherwise, it is just your opinion. Your example is a bad one, given that daredevil knew that he was fighting spider-man, where as selina was not aware of the drone and dodged it. It is also blatantly stated that selina dodged it and there isn't a lot you can say to argue against that point.
@@djb9267 "Thank you for answering my question about the hook block. I am still learning english in school, so it is nice to see you actually providing the name, instead of just being rude." No trouble at all. Not even I knew if it had a name and I been doing English for years, so it was beneficial for the both of us.
"If you only remember there being a message about the tremors, then it shouldn't matter. As even if that message gave a description of the damage, we have no idea of how far apart that messager and peter were. For all we know, the messager was only a couple of centimeters away from peter, explaining the description of the damage, if there even is any. We have no idea how rhino managed to destroy these City blocks, nor how long he needed to Do so. So no, that isn't a good way to get Peter any higher."
Fair enough, I can't convince you on that unless I get the full context. That said, a couple centimeters means that the user would actually SEE Spider-Man or hear it happening nearby, and as I stated earlier, they referenced ONLY the tremors.. so, it's definitely more than a "couple". But the only way to get the full story is replaying the mission itself and finding the tweet, so we can call a pause on this front.
"The value of the box's weight is just an assumotion on your part and has no Real meaning in this conversation. The moment in which peter got knocked out by a rocket launcher happened in the chase scene against the lizard in the second games. Kraven's men hit peter with a rocket, peter creates a Ring from the symbiote to protect himself and still gets knocked out for multiple minutes on end. Keep in mind that the symbiote significantly ampes peter's durability, to the point that he can fight kraven, who previously nearly killed him. Meaning base Peter would also be killed by a rocket, due to the symbiote being knocked out by it for a long time."
Well, it does.. because unless you think a hook block that's 2 tons is able to replicate the same feat of knocking an off-guard or even on-guard Peter out for 5 seconds when he routinely stops trucks weighing 4 times that much, and was only seconds prior stalling a crane weighing several hundreds of tons, that's being disingenuous. As for the 2nd game, those were missiles.. very much different from rockets. He was also hit by ALL of them at once, and recovered with some help from Miles (you could actually hear Peter grunting when Miles threw him so he was very much awake). Kraven also only nearly killed Peter because Peter was not aware of how strong he actually was, something Peter later affirms when he had the black suit (and even then Kraven was under the belief Peter was more than capable of killing him BEFORE he touched the meteorite.)
"Can you give evidence to your claim that selina got faster? Otherwise, it is just your opinion. Your example is a bad one, given that daredevil knew that he was fighting spider-man, where as selina was not aware of the drone and dodged it. It is also blatantly stated that selina dodged it and there isn't a lot you can say to argue against that point."
From Batman? The Arkham Artbook (officially made by Rocksteady) states that Batman grew in strength, speed, and agility in each entry, mainly due to the enhancements and upgrades in his suits. Hell, by Arkham Knight they explained the tri-weave suit made him faster than he was previously (which is why he was able to do the multi-fear takedown in the first place). If you want to believe Batman was relative to Catwoman in each entry, that's perfectly fine. However, if you try to turn around and say that Selina -- and by extension Bruce -- were always massively hypersonic with no prior statements nor feats that showed nearly as such across the entire Arkham series until Knight, you're once again being disingenuous.
Maybe but at least Batman can accept his family is dead.
Batman wins most fights because of the plot armor, help, or prep time XD
When did Arkham Batman have plot armour?
MJ ,Marry Jane (also Miss jaws) can 1v1 Batman when she has the taser she turns to John wick 😂❤
Spiderman got knocked down by a fridge. Arkham batman all day!
Batman also got held down by 2 penguin thugs what’s your point?
@@4e_vin255 listen to yourself
@@mserrano816 Look at your own comment first before telling me to listen to myself
Beside you can’t even prove Arkham Batman wins either so get lost
@@4e_vin255 spiderman couldn’t even takes down Kraven without needing a suit from SPACE! Batman was able to take down all his villains in his games. Peter always needed help from miles who’s less experienced than him.
@@mserrano816 So? Even Batman couldn’t beat Kraven either so what’s your point?
None of those villains scale to Kraven which even Mr.Negative can solo Batman’s rouge gallery let alone entire sinister six and Kraven
Funny how you mentioned that when Batman consistently relies on his allies as well
IF batman had prep time maybe he could make a spray that dissolves his webs or certain gadgets that can counter his attacks
People don’t realize spider sense is not precognitive it only lets him know danger is happening it’s possible for it to get sensory overload
@@dawudabdulali3827 it’s really not that hard the sinster six did it leaven did it
@@dawudabdulali3827 did you play 2 kraven almost killed him also silver sable and taskmaster tagged him hell taskmaster even snuck up on him
@@dawudabdulali3827 also his spider sense can also be hidden from some people iron man did it in the comics
Are we going to talk about batmans spider sense?……..oh wait
Well yes, it's not precognitive in the literal sense, but it does slow his perception of time to pinpoint and react appropriately. And before you bring up the Sinister Six, keep in mind that a) they all had to jump him to overload his Spider-Sense, something Batman doesn't have the luxury of in this 1v1, and b) half of the members (Electro, Scorpion, and Vulture) are generally relative to Peter in speed, so they'd be able to keep up with him. Bringing up Silver Sable and Taskmaster being to tag him is disingenuous since a) Peter was very clearly not even trying to fight Sable at all, and b) Taskmaster has spent the majority of his encounter with Peter studying him extensively, meaning he'd be capable of catching him off guard via developing the right countermeasures. This extends to Kraven who spent 6 months of studying not just Peter, but also Miles and their entire rogues gallery, INCLUDING Taskmaster.
If Im being honest here, Spiderman has better intelligence then batman, BUT let me explain.
spiderman made a suit that can go faster than speed of light. Spidey also made holograms from parts from dumpster diving. He also made iron arms that can absorb and withstand city-mountain levels of electricity/energy. He also made a suit in around 30 minutes-1 hour after almost being beaten to death. Most of the tech bats uses is developed by lucius. He also made web shooters at like 15 or 14 years old but every spidey does that except tobey i guess. He also helped build doc ocks arms that are wayyyyy faster than the human reaction time and are durable enough to survive small explosions . He did the work for the nueral interface and stuff. He literally made a cure or serum for tombstones invulnerability and it worked. And he made it within an hour or less probably (In gametime it was like 2 minutes) he also made tech by himself that can analyze chemical components on a sub atomic level with limited budget.
This shows that you know nothing about Batman
Batman makes boomerangs 😂 peter made webs@@karimdavis7065
I love insomniacs spider man from the 2018 game but the version presented in spider man 2 would get his ass beat by arkham batman and would cry to mj or miles or wraith for their help
People forget peter also does detective work
I don’t know how people still say Arkham Batman wins. Insomniac Spider Man is actually crazy overpowered, probably stronger than any other version of Spider Man. Not to mention, tying in the anti-venom suit he’s effectively immortal.
Also like for “takedowns”, I don’t think you guys understand that Spider Man is very durable. Most of Batman’s villains are normal people. Spider Man is a “meta human”, one that doesn’t observably have a Kryptonite weakness. Spidey has survived punches from Rhino, Insomniac Spider Man can hold back punches from Rhino without even trying much. Takedowns are not working on him.
"Crazy overpowered" yet struggled against Wraith.
I am a massive Batman fan, but I know he would lose against Spiderman.
However...Symbiote Suit Spiderman vs Arkham Knight Batman could be very interesting. Symbiote Spiderman is too aggressive to pay attention to Batman's Sonic Batarangs until its to late.
To be honest...I would to see these guys work together. The lighthearted Spiderman and a grumpy Batman.
at least Batman as a character doesn't have any powers
Also mans got struck by lightning 2 times in the fight with sandman and got back up
your telling me kraven could kill spiderman but batman couldn’t? bro
What about Batman's Fear Toxin? I feel like he could win if he gave spidey a taste of his modified and stronger version
A Batman fanboy Divine just made a video about it. And bro said they have relative AP and batman's faster lol. These fanboys are out of control