Jim Cornette Reviews Batista's Comments About Jim & OVW

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  • From Episode 549 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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  • @ChrisVanVliet
    @ChrisVanVliet 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2681

    Thanks for sharing this clip from my interview. Really interesting to hear this story from Jim’s point of view. Keep up the great work, Jim and Brian!

    • @Mr501B
      @Mr501B 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +415

      Now you have to get Jim to do an interview

    • @NemesisDestroys
      @NemesisDestroys 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +196

      Get Jim to do an Interview!

    • @TravisTLCdrumming
      @TravisTLCdrumming 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +98

      Chris vavlvlvlvlvlvlvl 😂

    • @deejayguppy6087
      @deejayguppy6087 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

      CVV and JC. Yeah!

    • @SaulAguilar.
      @SaulAguilar. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

      Interview Jim cornette🔥

  • @ukrichardwalker
    @ukrichardwalker 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +746

    It just sounds like they read each other wrong. Jim was waiting for Batista to show initiative and come out his shell. Batista was waiting for a certain type of education, slightlt different to what he got. They were both waiting for a cue that they didn't really give each other.

    • @c.s3369
      @c.s3369 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

      Very good explanation 🫱🏻‍🫲🏾‼️

    • @meciocio
      @meciocio 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

      Exactly, and it happens more often than people think. Someone who is just reserved and keeps to themselves might appear disinterested from outside, while they are actually willing to learn but think they will eventually be guided like everyone else.

    • @vicjericho
      @vicjericho 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Maybe Batista didn't feel comfortable telling a WWE main roster superstar Kane all the spots he wanted to do. Which on one hand is understandable. On the other hand it's like well do you want to get over or not? Then it's like "man get a load of Leviathan he wanted get ALL of his shit in on me what a prick." We all weren't there so who really knows but it's apparent that no one gelled together back then.

    • @romelmunoz7957
      @romelmunoz7957 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      On the complete interview Batista said Fit Finley woke him up with the "what's your problem!? (are you gonna get it or don't!?)" so yeah in a sense Jim was right when he says Dave looked maybe not that motivated by his low key attitude...

    • @naturallawman2965
      @naturallawman2965 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think your explanation is the problem with 99% of most relationships or relationships that came close to happening but never did. Both parties are waiting for a cue to initiate that neither gives but both desire. Then when it doesn't happen, both are mad at each other for committing the same "failure to act" without being consciously aware of it. Good explanation...

  • @RegretfulDeadMan
    @RegretfulDeadMan 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +843

    This is one of those cases where I can see both sides. Jim wanted to protect Batista because he was already starting older than most, and was injury prone. So he gave him a gimmick to minimize his mileage, but also allowed him to wrestle long matches when appropriate. But then Batista wanted to be more than that, and wanted more out of the wrestling business, and felt that key benefited from working with other people more. It was just two opposing philosophy's clashing.

    • @exiaR2x78
      @exiaR2x78 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

      Was actually about to comment that same thing haha. Is interesting thing to think about cause it is just two opposing philosophy's and both are very valid

    • @kingkold
      @kingkold 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Very well said . Someone pin the comment

    • @Goawaykidyoubotherme
      @Goawaykidyoubotherme 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dave was crap who thought he was Lou Thesz and Jim knew he was nothing. Jim got proved right since he needed to become Triple HGH's boy to become anything

    • @anxofernandez3344
      @anxofernandez3344 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      I think Leviathan was probably a good gimmick for a small promotion like OVW but it wouldn't have legs in WWE's main roster.

    • @ishmaelprimeaux3564
      @ishmaelprimeaux3564 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      He says something kinda similar in interviews in regards to his acting career. That he doesn't want to just be typecast as a big, musclebound, gorilla. Dave sees himself as more than that but he also thinks of himself as a big, musclehead too. It's all so contradictory 😂

  • @ChrisSanDiego11
    @ChrisSanDiego11 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +394

    It always amazes me how Jim is able to have coherent and detailed thoughts about random topics from 20+ years ago, such as Batista’s career in OVW.

    • @kaczok1985
      @kaczok1985 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      If I recall correctly, he partially attributes it to OCD. That's why he documented everything to such an extent.

    • @itsnotjayboi
      @itsnotjayboi 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Yeah fr i mean he's really passionate about the wrestling business when you love something so much you can pick out the most specific moments in time he reminds me of my grandpa

    • @smarkslowplay3512
      @smarkslowplay3512 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      His brain ain't fried from alcohol, tobacco or other drugs

    • @meciocio
      @meciocio 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I mean Batista career in ovw isn't a random topic. A random topic would have been what he did for Christmas 20 years ago or whatever

    • @octagonseventynine1253
      @octagonseventynine1253 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@smarkslowplay3512yeah I don’t think he drinks alcohol at all and never smoked.

  • @KamoMustafaWWE
    @KamoMustafaWWE 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +249

    I see both sides. Dave wanted to grow as a character and performer and wanted to be more versatile. Jim wanted to keep his value as a star by not overexposing him.

    • @4cuttime
      @4cuttime 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same here. I agree 💯🔥

    • @anarchy030
      @anarchy030 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I agree, it’s just a difference of opinion.

    • @4cuttime
      @4cuttime 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@anarchy030 exactly!

    • @khathide22nd
      @khathide22nd วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@4cuttimePrecisely

    • @TheNinthHeart
      @TheNinthHeart 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      The problem is that this barista guy had *ZERO* talent. He was a body guy, nothing more. Couldn’t talk, couldn’t work, couldn’t act, couldn’t do anything besides pose. He was an old, wrinkly, failed bodybuilder who excelled at one thing: brownnosing, and he went to work on Triple Nobody’s ta!nt, which is the lone reason he got pushed (ironically, also the only reason Triple Nose got pushed)

  • @YeTism
    @YeTism 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +486

    Jim should go on Chris’s show

    • @pinroshan020
      @pinroshan020 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      True. If russo was a guest back then, then jim should be a guest too if he wants.

    • @MarcYanruw
      @MarcYanruw 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It will be interesting

    • @slurmsmackenzie5729
      @slurmsmackenzie5729 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      Yes. He's overly nice but he asks good questions at the same time. That's not easy, especially in wrestling where the money is in causing controversy.

    • @benjambreeg
      @benjambreeg 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Chris is way too PG and Jim is far too honest

    • @random_vat
      @random_vat 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Chris'

  • @moopert86
    @moopert86 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +165

    Let's see, when Batista went to WWE he was D-Von's silent muscle, then he shifted to being HHH's muscle in evolution. He wasn't having matches that were much longer than what Jim would have been doing as Leviathan in OVW for a while.

    • @teecakes
      @teecakes 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      Batista in Evolution as THA ANIMAL was still a far cry from him eventually feuding with Rey Mysterio in what seemed like at least 3 ppv matches in a row them putting on Giant-vs-Luchador-clinics because Rey Mysterio was 'supposed to be mah frendddd'-- Batista ended up becoming pretty good in the ring (much better than John Cena IMHO) but he had to learn to crawl (and squash jobbers in 1 minute) before he could sprint (work with Rey to make springboard bulldogs look good)

    • @martinracn06
      @martinracn06 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      That's exactly Batistas point

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      @@teecakes The Animal was more or less a Leviathan 2.0. That was it. Notice that whenever he wrestled, he was always in less than five minute matches or with someone who could help him in the ring i.e. Kane or The Undertaker?
      It wasn't until 2006 when he finally was able to go full thirty minute matches.

    • @AJ-xv7oh
      @AJ-xv7oh 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@martinracn06No, it wasn't. It contradicts Batistas point.

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@teecakesnowhere as good as cena

  • @MilMaska
    @MilMaska 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +153

    "I said to him. If I had your Body and you had my Brain. We could both retire in five years" - Jim Cornette

    • @sloth6910
      @sloth6910 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      That line is truer than half the truths of the world.
      Hella accurate line, can't stress that enough.

    • @TheNinthHeart
      @TheNinthHeart 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      The problem is that this barista guy had *ZERO* talent. He was a body guy, nothing more. Couldn’t talk, couldn’t work, couldn’t act, couldn’t do anything besides pose. He was an old, wrinkly, failed bodybuilder who excelled at one thing: brownnosing, and he went to work on Triple Nobody’s ta!nt, which is the lone reason he got pushed (ironically, also the only reason Triple Nose got pushed)

  • @christiansmith1389
    @christiansmith1389 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +197

    I’m glad Jim didn’t dig into Dave here. This feels like a mix of miscommunication and Dave not wanting to step on Jim’s toes and be seen as a problem.
    I hope they get to talk face to face one day. They both ultimately did everything they wanted to do in life.

    • @lsj6721
      @lsj6721 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      he didn't because prior to that interview, Jim is boastfully taking credit for brock, cena, orton, and batista.

    • @blesner
      @blesner 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I doubt Dave gives a f*** about what jim or his loser followers thinks. He wouldn't waste his time.

    • @redactedandredactedaccesor7290
      @redactedandredactedaccesor7290 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@lsj6721 he should he created them partially

    • @SefniAsheforr
      @SefniAsheforr 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I agree. Batista always comes across as a guy who did get the business and respect it immensely. None of this is due to either side being idiots or douches.

    • @lsj6721
      @lsj6721 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@redactedandredactedaccesor7290 created them partially?
      Brock was a beast either way, Vince fought for him when he left the company;
      Orton was always an HHH and Flair guy;
      Cena was almost fired if not for Stephanie discovering him;
      Now, bastista says this.
      He can credit himself with the likes of Shelton, and where is he now? Do not delude yourself.

  • @MrSuperdelf
    @MrSuperdelf 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +96

    It would be fascinating to hear Batista and Corny sit down and talk about this on camera. They would both be cordial, I'm not looking for a fight, but I want to hear them talk about this kind of thing to eachother

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I understand. I want also the same but with Cena and maybe Randy Orton.

    • @juangraciaofficial
      @juangraciaofficial 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      ​@@RandalfElVikingo With Cena would be fire. But let's be honest, the very first guy that needs to sit down with Jim on an interview is CM Punk. That interview would make more numbers than WrestleMania

    • @j86485
      @j86485 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@RandalfElVikingo Why with Cena? Jim and Cena got along. It's Orton who needs to sit with Jim since he was acting like he didn't need to wrestle and wasn't motivated

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@j86485 I enjoy Cornette when he talks about things he likes too. Cornette saw Cena during a HoF and they shared some words but he seems proud of him.
      Something like Paul Bearer with Cornette interview.

    • @michaelhauser6440
      @michaelhauser6440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except Jim tries to make Batista sound like a huge pussy every chance he gets calling him meek, needing his hand held, saying he was cold all the time, etc.

  • @ggali09
    @ggali09 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    Inside every hulking bodybuilder is a tiny ballerina, desperate to escape.

    • @Halbared
      @Halbared 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Her dream came true! 🩰

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Type this into AI software and you'll get the poster for Mr. Nanny

    • @Big_40_Chief
      @Big_40_Chief 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      😭

  • @LennyHenrysDorsalCavity
    @LennyHenrysDorsalCavity 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    That would be a great viewing experience :
    CVV with special guest - Mr Jim Cornette.

    • @sullyb23511
      @sullyb23511 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That'd be great. I might actually CVV, then. 😅

    • @dustinsmith8658
      @dustinsmith8658 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      CVV is alright, but that smile he makes constantly is a bit overboard for me while the others are talking

    • @LennyHenrysDorsalCavity
      @LennyHenrysDorsalCavity 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dustinsmith8658 I can get that, the stare that could eat your soul. Just edit in an aggressive camera shake and a red filter, and suddenly you’ve got something demonic. 😂

    • @wheredeyattho
      @wheredeyattho วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dustinsmith8658that's just his natural personality.. I ran into him at a brewery when he livee in Cincinnati a few years ago. He smiled and was nothing but respectful the whole time.

  • @SABNISTANMAY
    @SABNISTANMAY 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    I am glad Cornette knows that Batista has no ill will towards him. It's just two different perspectives.

  • @vmartin96
    @vmartin96 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    Jim didn’t give Batista what he wanted

    • @ThePhysicalReaction
      @ThePhysicalReaction 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Give him what he wants! What do you want! Give it to me!

    • @dama301
      @dama301 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It kills Jim

    • @RonJP-pm7jp
      @RonJP-pm7jp 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s a simple way of putting it but yes. Dave wanted more of foundation not to be taught how to do a monster gimmick. All monsters don’t have to be the same. It would be cool to get a Bane like monster. A monster that’s very intelligent and articulate but when it’s time to go he destroys you.

    • @dumpsterfire79
      @dumpsterfire79 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@RonJP-pm7jp Whoosh

    • @dama301
      @dama301 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @RonJP-pm7jp yes but ultimately it comes down to the fact Cornette DIDNT GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS!!!

  • @SamsarasArt
    @SamsarasArt 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +159

    I didn't know Batista was almost 400 pounds when he came to OVW. That's wild.

    • @smarkslowplay3512
      @smarkslowplay3512 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      He also had long dark hair at Afa's camp/school

    • @MinusTheRogue
      @MinusTheRogue 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      The fact that he weighed 375 and not even being fat is insane.

    • @jahiddle
      @jahiddle 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@MinusTheRogue The sauce can do that!

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Don't buy it. At all

    • @SamsarasArt
      @SamsarasArt 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@chrischar9428 k

  • @alanmcdonald469
    @alanmcdonald469 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +109

    In one sense, Jim was spot on with Batista's career trajectory, because his best feud ended up being with The Undertaker.

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Yep, Jim said that he was putting Dave as "the next challenger to The Undertaker" at Wrestlemania

    • @woody72691
      @woody72691 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      ​@@GenGamesUniverseAnd that match at Mania 23 was probably one of the best matches of the night.

    • @kingkinkladze7352
      @kingkinkladze7352 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He had classics with Taker too that are quite overlooked. Those matches were badass.

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@kingkinkladze7352 Any and every match Dave had with Taker were classics. I think the Hell in a Cell match was good as well.

  • @hessiankyojin
    @hessiankyojin 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    Jim never met CVV before? Can't wait for their interview in the future.

  • @TheFourFats
    @TheFourFats 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    his match with Undertaker at Wrestlemania remains one of my favourite big men matches ever

    • @blaketindle4703
      @blaketindle4703 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      It’s sooooo good!!!

    • @cStatE95
      @cStatE95 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      The feud as a whole was awesome to watch too bad they ended it with edgeboi getting mixed in

    • @trayydayy15
      @trayydayy15 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@cStatE95made it even better

    • @SaulAguilar.
      @SaulAguilar. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Peak big guy vs big buy.

    • @kingkinkladze7352
      @kingkinkladze7352 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Their hell in a cell match is brutal and awesome too. Shame the finish was meh.

  • @davidjsaul
    @davidjsaul 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    It took Triple H and Evolution to make Batista a star. Dave wasn't getting anywhere near the top until he hit the Raw roster. I think Jim did him a favour by trying to protect him while he was very green.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Batista was already getting pushed before Evolution. He got a PPV match against Kane at the end of 2002. And he was in the final four of the 2003 Royal Rumble, with Brock, Kane and Taker.

  • @christiankarlkarganilla2763
    @christiankarlkarganilla2763 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    It's not much of a feud because both Jim and Dave respect each other as a person and what they've accomplished. But this is the only Jim "feud" that I know where I completely understand both sides.

    • @BlueAmerican26
      @BlueAmerican26 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Same. I can see both sides and can respect their point of views.

    • @amirpourghoureiyan1637
      @amirpourghoureiyan1637 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      these days it isn't much but there was heat before because Dave knocked Jim and Danny in his book, Dave took his words back so it's cooled off now.

    • @michaelhauser6440
      @michaelhauser6440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It seems like a damned if you do/damned if you don’t situation for Batista. If he would’ve been more aggressive he would be labeled an asshole and difficult to work worth. There’s countless wrestling stories where a new guy tries to take initiative and is looked down on by the veterans and office and put in their place. Seems like Batista did the ol’ keep your mouth shut and your ears open that Jim always talks about but that still wasn’t good enough

  • @JoeMercersWay
    @JoeMercersWay 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    At the end of day, Batista benefitted from both educations, which is the point of great teaching and learning.
    Ultimately, Dave made a career out of clothesline, spear, spinebuster, thumbs up and down and a powerbomb, so the squash side fitted to his own personality was the evolution, pardon the pun.
    I think if Dave looked bad, I think Jim teaching him that concept of match snd nailing a few basics helped him far more in nailing Batista than he perhaps realises.
    And yes, HHH spotted the opportunity and helped him get mainstream over, because HHH was more in tune with what gets over in WWE because it's his playground.
    Jim had the underlying wrestling concept and psychology, HHH had the cherry on top and the sprinkles. Much like the Bloodline, Heyman has the psychology, HHH adds the execution.

  • @Epsilonsama
    @Epsilonsama 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    Batista comes off as an sensitive introvert on interviews and someone who is very extroverted like Cornette probably didn't gel well.

    • @BlueAmerican26
      @BlueAmerican26 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Sensitive is very much the wrong term. He's just self-conseus of himself and those around him.

    • @megsley
      @megsley 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      watch the show where he goes out with bear grylls for some rock climbing 😂 Batista came off like a chronically online 12 yo who's never been outside lol

  • @sloth6910
    @sloth6910 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +96

    As Jim has himself said in some other clips, "....both of those things could be true at the same time."
    Jim as a business owner was pragmatic and smart with having Batista only do what he could do safely, without hurting the legitimacy of the company and equally importantly, his own prospects.
    Batista on the other hand could still justifiably feel that had "he" been given more of a hands on learning opportunitiy with more guidance and area to try diff things in his OVW days....then his rise to the top might just have been quicker...and longer.

    • @kaczok1985
      @kaczok1985 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      And that's why Jim simply presented his point of view instead of bashing Batista.

    • @ISetYourFaceOnFire
      @ISetYourFaceOnFire 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kaczok1985 Exactly. this is the correct take.

    • @RandalfElVikingo
      @RandalfElVikingo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That Batista argument went through the window when Cornette mentioned he wrestled Big Show and Kane as a rookie.

    • @shunakiyama6275
      @shunakiyama6275 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I don't think batista complained that he wasn't a star, he complained that he only wrestled squash matches and never got to cut promos so he didn't learn or get better. I don't see how which people he wrestled changes that​@@RandalfElVikingo

  • @bpatrickl3844
    @bpatrickl3844 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

    Was it any worse than Deacon Batista?!!

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      That had potential ended way too soon

    • @t.jefferson6365
      @t.jefferson6365 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      No, it wasn't worse than Deacon Batista. Leviathan was a cross between Goldberg and a Demon like character that was led by Sinn because he was cold on the mic back then.

    • @H.a.m.B.u.r.g.e.r
      @H.a.m.B.u.r.g.e.r 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@t.jefferson6365yeah the gimmick worked why would you have this big jacked demon try and wrestle a 30 minute classic? did batista think him being that green that he would have benefited from showing off his lack of experience in the ring? its so weird you got a good easy gimmick 😂 why complain? he was to green and way to jacked did he think he was gonna be a ricky steamboat? very weird thinking about batista would be like if he lived out his technical wrestling dreams maybe he would have been the next bret hart😂

    • @SamoIsKing
      @SamoIsKing 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Deacon Batista was a solid, simple sidekick gimmick with the potential for a big face turn down the road. The biggest problem was he was a sidekick to a guy who wasnt used to working singles matches.

    • @thatonebritishidiot3037
      @thatonebritishidiot3037 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@H.a.m.B.u.r.g.e.r I think a lot of Batista's issues come with a lot of hindsight

  • @janitorbiesel3183
    @janitorbiesel3183 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    All of this happened because Batista said a bunch of unfavorable things about OVW in his book. So, Jim fired back in kind. I’m from the Louisville area and was a weekly watcher of OVW. Batista was managed by Jim’s wife, and everyone could tell that Jim LOVED Lavithian. If Batista never said those things in his book, Jim would have been praising him all these years like he has with every other OVW alumni… with the exception of Santino lol.

    • @GodInHisPrime
      @GodInHisPrime 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Jim was actually nice and reasonable to Batista in this clip

  • @anxofernandez3344
    @anxofernandez3344 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    I wanna see Chris Van Vleet interview Jim Cornette.

    • @pinroshan020
      @pinroshan020 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Soon bro. Never Say Never!

    • @d.52555
      @d.52555 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I would love to see that but Chris needs to push back on Cornette if he does interview him.

    • @Kratosx23
      @Kratosx23 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I want to see it because I can't imagine it. Chris is the most laid back, respectful guy in the world and Jim is.....Jim. 😂

    • @anxofernandez3344
      @anxofernandez3344 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@Kratosx23 I think precisely because he's so respectful and professional Chris Van Vleet would get a pretty good interview from Jim Cornette. I think more people would understand Jim's point of view. Chris wouldn't be out to get him or try to create controversy for views or anything like that.

  • @kanei8521
    @kanei8521 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    This is definitely a case of both sides being true. Jim, as the booker, saw Batista’s limited in ring work at the time and age and booked him appropriately. Batista wanted to learn more to improve his in ring work and was waiting to be taught to be able to do more.

  • @javierdegracia8914
    @javierdegracia8914 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I feel the best example today of what Jim was trying to prevent for Batista from ever becoming is Brian Cage who should be able to beat 2-3 at a time and looks incredible but instead he chooses to go 20 minutes with guys half his size. Their resumes should prove Jim was right in his way of teaching

  • @acotbc
    @acotbc 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    John Cena left the Prototype gimmick in developmental at around the same time; was there really an expectation at the time for Batista to continue the Leviathan gimmick once he got called up to WWE?
    In the end, things worked out for him - he got to main event WrestleMania before Cena or Orton did, after all.

    • @dustinowens9552
      @dustinowens9552 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No gimmick really stays from company to company, And Cena is a good point to compaire to Batista. Batista said he wanted to go long matches and talk a lot on the mic. Cena did that when he was called up to Raw. And from Cenas own story, he was about to be cut later on. They told him he would be cut after Wrestlemania. But then on a over seas trip Stephanie M heard him freestyle rapping to others on the plane. Then they give Cena the thug life gimmick.

  • @northwestwildcamperssj3671
    @northwestwildcamperssj3671 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Didn't think Dave ment any disrespect

  • @MiketheratguyMultimedia
    @MiketheratguyMultimedia 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Batista has striven to become a good actor (and, to my surprise, he is). I have to respect that. The guy cares more about the quality of what he does than The Rock ever has.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not when it comes to the wrestling business.

  • @wilsonjoshwilson
    @wilsonjoshwilson 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    Why is this even a debate? Clearly Batista made the right decision for the longevity of his career. He bet on himself and it payed off.

    • @therandom58
      @therandom58 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      If we’re being very honest, that isn’t what happened. His gimmick change from Leviathan died immediately. He got saved by Evolution and then blossomed into something greater.

    • @teecakes
      @teecakes 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Batista has the benefit of hindsight, which is why he's softened up on being critical of specifically Jim Cornette's role in his "Leviathan" run. Batista was mid 30s when he went to OVW alongside Cena, Benjamin, Lesnar, Umaga and the rest in their 20s. He wanted to be like them but 1) didn't start as early (so wouldn't have as lengthy a wrestling career) and 2) was green as a pepper tree compared to amateur wrestlers Benjamin and Lesnar. The role he got as Leviathan was the best spot for him to utilize his monster look, he lack of mat skills, and to best get him over with the crowd. He was mega hot with the OVW crowd, that's bc of Jim Cornette booking him correctly and playing to Batista's strengths in his literal first year of wrestling.
      I think over the years, Batista has understood this, and the 'meek' personality he had in OVW was the reason why he didn't progress like Lesnar or Orton, not because of Jim Cornette or the Leviathan gimmick itself. The fact that he ended up getting over with Evolution's help, you can see the difference in Batista's motivation to be a main eventer when he was with Ric Flair, Orton and HHH than when he was just getting easy Goldberg squash wins as a green worker. Experience makes you Level Up, basically.

    • @jaredgarrison333
      @jaredgarrison333 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yup

    • @Mecanotech
      @Mecanotech 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He bet on himself by befriending HHH

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Batista's career lasted about as long as Cornette expected it to. Jim was preparing him to work a program with The Undertaker eventually on the main roster, and that's certainly when he peaked.

  • @ojo3-tq4uj
    @ojo3-tq4uj 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I feel like this is a tale of two disconnects: the first one being between what Corny saw in him and Batista had to offer. The second was in what Corny saw in him and what Stamford needed of him.
    Finlay, actually being on the ground as a Producer, understood what WWE needed of Batista and was able to help develop him in that kind of way. And, with that understanding, it finally clicked.

  • @prestigecoasters8067
    @prestigecoasters8067 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Never got into Halloween?? But like Friday the 13th? Blasphemy

    • @danielhudson5186
      @danielhudson5186 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly 💯! Probably not enough gnarly kills for Brian. Although the sequels definitely have their share.

  • @jimibaboza
    @jimibaboza 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    WWE treated him the exact same way as Cornette did until he became HHH's gym buddy.

    • @LimaKiloRomeo
      @LimaKiloRomeo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      That's a lie. In OVW, he was undefeated for a year and world champion.

    • @jimibaboza
      @jimibaboza 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@LimaKiloRomeo fair enough, I was referring to the booking but he did get treated about well as he could be in OVW.

    • @Rjensen2
      @Rjensen2 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@jimibaboza You should probably have at least some knowledge about how Cornette booked him, then 😂

    • @6steveo9
      @6steveo9 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Rjensen2In too much of a rush to bury HHH for checking facts.

    • @Rjensen2
      @Rjensen2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@6steveo9 Yep, exactly that.

  • @kodyepidemic
    @kodyepidemic 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Both of these perspectives can be correct. They both have points to what they believe.

  • @kurtisbased183
    @kurtisbased183 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +143

    batista was right, he wouldve went nowhere in the main roster with that leviathan gimmick

    • @YeTism
      @YeTism 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      He would have been another Nathan Jones or Luther Reigns

    • @rman15
      @rman15 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      The Deacon Batista gimmick was dead on arrival, I could be delusional, but I think Leviathan had at least a very small chance of working out, while Deacon Batista had no chance whatsoever of working out. Without a gimmick change/joining HHH & Flair, Batista would have likely been released

    • @james2651
      @james2651 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Undertaker, Kane...

    • @bootneyfarnsworth2844
      @bootneyfarnsworth2844 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      The Leviathan gimmick wouldn't have gone anywhere. The Deacon Batista gimmick was dead in the water as well. He benefitted from becoming friends with HHH.

    • @Goawaykidyoubotherme
      @Goawaykidyoubotherme 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Bull. He would have still made it the same way he made it this time. On verge of getting fired then become Triple HGH's boy and boom champion

  • @OTJ8995
    @OTJ8995 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Interesting to hear Cornette say that being big can be a weakness, I've been saying that for years. Not a Vince McMahon apologist but I always thought the accusations of bias towards big men were misguided.
    The big guys get shot up the ranks faster, but that also means they need to get over faster. If someone the size of Shawn Michaels gets pushed and it doesn't quite work out, they can always try again later.
    When you have an obvious physical advantage over most guys and your momentum stalls, its very hard to get that back. Albert and Test were great workers for their size but were exposed before they were ready for the main event and neither reached their full potential.

    • @Br0130
      @Br0130 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Matt Morgan. Hammerstone, Brian Cage are prime examples

    • @GeekOfArabia
      @GeekOfArabia 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I haven't really watched TNA much but if Hammerstone's recent appearance on NXT is any indication, he's over as hell. I don't know if he's getting a meaningful push right now, but he'll probably be fine.

    • @anthonyanderson9303
      @anthonyanderson9303 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      That's a great point. Big guys are pushed before they're ready simply due to the optics. Big Show beat Hogan for the world title in his first ever match.

    • @OTJ8995
      @OTJ8995 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@anthonyanderson9303 it’s not just optics though. Size matters in a fight. Not that smaller guy can’t win, but typically it comes down to the bigger guy being incompetent.
      There’s the anecdote about Ole Anderson chewing out Tony Atlas for having a competitive match with a job guy. Tony wanted to show that he was a good worker but in taking that long to beat a smaller guy either the smaller guy was super tough, Tony was weak or wrestling was fake and they’d just exposed it.

    • @anthonyanderson9303
      @anthonyanderson9303 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @OTJ8995 no I agree fully, it only makes logical sense. There are exceptions of course, but there are weight divisions in combat sports for a reason.

  • @Shinobi6407
    @Shinobi6407 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    I've been waiting for this response since I saw the Batista interview.

  • @stonetic2515
    @stonetic2515 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "They booked me like Goldberg."
    You mean one of the most popular guys of the era?

  • @veegob5287
    @veegob5287 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    We are friends, but not “show up at Jim Cornette’s house unannounced” friends. 😂

  • @nou1364
    @nou1364 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    People in the comments sound a little off-base in defending Batista. He didn’t “want longer matches to improve in ring / become more legitimate” or whatever. He was in developmental. He didn’t know anything about the industry. Now that he does, he has or is claiming a perspective that he was incapable of having.
    Also, he wasn’t capable of having those long matches (and them actually being good) and it would’ve been a waste to book him in them. So Jim booked him correctly.

  • @ChrisManley1994
    @ChrisManley1994 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “This is Batista on Jim Cornette.”
    “Uh oh!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @FreeMANcer
    @FreeMANcer 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    That’s legit criticism from Batista from the view point of him not wanting to be Goldberg.

    • @blaketindle4703
      @blaketindle4703 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Then why was he trying to look like an even bigger version of Goldberg? Jim is right. It wouldn’t have made any sense to have a guy who looks like a monster go out and wrestle like a normal dude.

    • @davidjsaul
      @davidjsaul 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      How? Whether you like Goldberg or not it's an irrefutable fact he was a megastar and made tons of money. Twenty five years later he still has name value. Nothing wrong with a Goldberg push if you have the tools to pull off (which Batista did, unlike Cryback).

    • @GenGamesUniverse
      @GenGamesUniverse 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The problem with Dave is, is that he SAID in his book - "I NEVER learned ANYTHING during my time in OVW" and that kinda pissed Jim off a bit because that caused Jim to come out and say his side of the story.

    • @Rjensen2
      @Rjensen2 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Tough. You don't get to tell the booker what you will or won't do.

    • @megsley
      @megsley 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@GenGamesUniverse Batista has this habit of coming into a business, making a bunch of money off them, then he turns around and sh!ts all over the business that made him a star.

  • @aidanbagwell7879
    @aidanbagwell7879 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I love Batista described his OVW matches as Goldberg matches 😂

  • @Ink_deep
    @Ink_deep 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    These two personalities just didn't seem to gel well together, and that's okay. Sometimes it's nobody's fault when two people can't get on the same page. Even John Wooden didn't get 100% out of every single player. Jim shouldn't take it personally.

    • @darinlunderman8063
      @darinlunderman8063 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I believe that's the case here. Jim & Dave were not on the same page when it came to who they were as workers and how they learned/taught, so Dave ended up missing out on some of what Jim was trying to teach him, and Jim just wasn't able to reach Dave in the way that he needed. Their time together in OVW was just far from being ideal as a result of clashing backgrounds.
      Fortunately, they both don't seem to have taken it to heart too much, they're both just a little confused & frustrated at the disconnect.

  • @tbone269
    @tbone269 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Can we get a CVV and JC one on one!? That would be awesome!

  • @Cosper79
    @Cosper79 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Batista is currently 240 lbs and 6'5". Lot of people think he is sick but no he just trimmed down.

    • @blakefranklin882
      @blakefranklin882 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yea , hes not trying to be Arnold or The Rock. Guys like Denzel , De Niro and Pacino are not built like greek God's. I think hes trying to expand his range as an actor. Even Cena has trimmed down

    • @MrJjburgess11
      @MrJjburgess11 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't think he's 6'5 anymore. He lost some height since his wrestling days. He used to be the same height as Randy Orton. Now he's shorter than Randy. Probably 6'2½ to 6'3 these days .

    • @megsley
      @megsley 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      he's not 240 no way he looks like Jeff goldblum physically now.

    • @misterknightowlandco
      @misterknightowlandco 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He’s off the gas

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Batista has always been shorter than Randy. No way has he ever been 6'5.

  • @crimson_viper
    @crimson_viper 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I remember Jim calling Batista frail f-n demon

  • @tjbosslyfe342
    @tjbosslyfe342 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Batista was green at first. He really didn't hit his stride to me until his battles with HHH. He was squashing people on the main roster with that clothesline. But that's the bussiness.

  • @lulu-hm2xp
    @lulu-hm2xp 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I think Batista is being a bit stubborn. Those squash matches was to put him over! If he wrestled long matches every month whos to say he wouldnt get hurt along the way

    • @chrishernandez3699
      @chrishernandez3699 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      How else is he supposed to improve if he's not able to work more than a squash match? That's what people gave Goldberg crap for because he couldn't work a match past 5 minutes

    • @nate29
      @nate29 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He wasn't going to get over as a squash match monster in the 2000s.

  • @TheWeissman
    @TheWeissman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think Batista kinda wants to present himself as the smart hulk type

  • @NoApologiesWithDre69
    @NoApologiesWithDre69 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    0:43 definitely not your friend, Brian

  • @purpleperc1012
    @purpleperc1012 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The funny part is apparently no one had the guts to tell Bautista that he can’t work a full match and he’s best at doing a couple of moves and getting out of there.

  • @TheMuddFishh
    @TheMuddFishh 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "I always get this either right or wrong"
    Yes, those are usually the two outcomes.

  • @justchilling7594
    @justchilling7594 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I get what Dave is saying but when you build up your muscles and the tattoos etc. you are a victim of your own look. Nobody with your size and look is promoted as a technical wrestler they are all for the most part strong silent types or loud and offensive power move guys.

  • @LordRaptor
    @LordRaptor 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What's funny is that the guys from WWF he wrestled in OVW also ended up being his best rivalries: Big Show, Undertaker, Mark Henry, Kane, John Cena, Randy Orton...

  • @WsK-
    @WsK- 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    “But Brian..” I don’t think I’ve ever heard him use that voice inflection

    • @kingkold
      @kingkold 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He sounded kinda weary. Idk

    • @WsK-
      @WsK- 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kingkold He was feeling a bit idyllic perhaps 😏

    • @unknownsample4801
      @unknownsample4801 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@WsK- maybe it was kind of a jab at uncle dave and alverez

    • @gavinduenas3584
      @gavinduenas3584 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      But Briiiiiiiiannnnn

  • @Pogo113
    @Pogo113 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    If they treated Dave like he's seemingly asking for - he would have been Wardlow, not a WWE Hall of Fame guy 🤷‍♂️

    • @jameskilkenny6035
      @jameskilkenny6035 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Pogo113 he’s literally mad because Jim treated him like Wardlow.

    • @romelmunoz7957
      @romelmunoz7957 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jameskilkenny6035did he lose to the Orange OVW Cassidy??

    • @jameskilkenny6035
      @jameskilkenny6035 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@romelmunoz7957 both things can be possible

  • @docproc144
    @docproc144 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can see both sides. Batista thought he was capable of more than what he was doing, while Jim wanted him to play to his strengths.

  • @keito9158
    @keito9158 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    They're both right. And they both have a point.

    • @Rjensen2
      @Rjensen2 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like hell they are. Did you even watch Batista in OVW?

  • @wilcee238
    @wilcee238 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Was there another bug guy in Evolution that Batista replaced? I swore I saw a vignette once with that guy Flair, Orton and HHH getting into a helicopter once.

    • @vanhagar3000
      @vanhagar3000 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Mark Jindrack

    • @atomzero1
      @atomzero1 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Mark Jindrak was originally going to be in Evolution, but they changed it at the last second. I think they did actually shoot one vignette with him in it, and you may have seen that.

    • @wilcee238
      @wilcee238 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@atomzero1 Thank you!

    • @Goawaykidyoubotherme
      @Goawaykidyoubotherme 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Mark Jindrak. He got replaced once Dave started sucking up to Triple HGH

    • @wilcee238
      @wilcee238 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@vanhagar3000 Thank you! I just looked it up and he got dumped because he was immature and getting Orton in trouble.

  • @LimaKiloRomeo
    @LimaKiloRomeo 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Idk why Dave thought he'd be trained the same way as Cena & Orton, when he was older than HHH & looked like that.

  • @michaelhauser6440
    @michaelhauser6440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Jim is always shitting on Batista for being reserved and polite. He’s definitely one of those old guys that thinks being a loudmouth means you're tough lol

    • @Kalbuir66
      @Kalbuir66 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You don't get far in life being reserved and too quiet. You need to open your mouth and speak up. You need to grab your chances and not just sit there and hope someone throws you a bone. And notice, nowhere in there did I use the word....loudmouth. Dave Batista was NEVER as good as he thinks he was, was never as good as some fans make him out to be. And let's be real here...the guy is a terrible actor too.

    • @thehorrorhound6575
      @thehorrorhound6575 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Kalbuir66this loud mouth just proved it’s better to be silent and thought a fool. What a terrible take.

  • @alextorres-limon5548
    @alextorres-limon5548 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I do like when guys from that 2002 class talk about working with Cornette and how much they got from him. Cena always goes out of his way to praise Cornette and Danny Davis for their guidance and expertise.
    I remember Cornette when he talked about being at the 2017 Hall Of Fame during Mania weekend. He mentioned running into Orton and Cena and it being a cool reunion for him. Especially that Cena went out of his way to find him and share an intimate moment with him.

    • @benjambreeg
      @benjambreeg วันที่ผ่านมา

      cena was the guy everyone liked because he wanted to be the best. he was the only one who got to drive the ovw bus with the ring inside.

  • @elite-wrestling-figs7013
    @elite-wrestling-figs7013 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As i always say, if wrestling was booked the way Jim wants is/ based on what worked back in the old days
    Everyone would complain/ wrestling would be boring

  • @The_Deal
    @The_Deal 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I feel that Batista needed to be himself while not being himself if that makes any sense. He needed to be Dave Batista, without working a gimmick. He was introverted but when the cameras were on, and he wore his boots, he was a badass, cool, and charismatic. His time in Evolution showed he was a main event player. Batista bet on himself, and it really paid off. Great job to him.

  • @flyguy7825
    @flyguy7825 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Look at Jim’s kids defend him for clearly not seeing anything other than a big monster being jobbed out to Taker,Kane,Big Show,etc and nothing else!! Lol Hearing Jim’s opinions don’t line up with what he said about Batista years ago lol but….. again Jim’s kids all his marks will kiss his ass!!

  • @ethanallen3487
    @ethanallen3487 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    One thing almost no disagrees about is Jim’s knowledge of business & the psychology of putting a match together.

  • @YakuzaRich
    @YakuzaRich วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    To be fair to Batista on Jim's comments of 'what do you do (in the ring)?' I can understand Batista's trepidation. With other workers in the WWE if you tell them what you do in the ring, then it may get turned around that Batista 'wouldn't listen' and 'did let the veteran call the match' and 'Batista just wanted to get his shit in.'
    Often times, particularly int he WWE, you just can't win.

  • @christhornycroft3686
    @christhornycroft3686 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    In fairness to Bautista, Jim has a very old school way of looking at things. If you a huge guy who looks menacing and your promo skills aren't great to begin with, he's probably going to focus on your strengths. Maybe that's a bit short sighted, but in the old days, if you were like Bautista, you'd get a manager who could talk and you'd just stand there and growl. These days, a bit more is expected.

  • @robb8140
    @robb8140 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So great to hear this story in a little more detail from both sides. You got an old school approach from Jim combined with 20 years of experience and hindsight from Dave at a time the industry changed whole sale to be about talking etc. In an era of Giants it was a little tricky to go the monster route with so many jacked body builder types where personality really became 1-2-3 key to success. Deep down Dave probably knows he can lack assertiveness at times but that is true of many people in life with lots and lots to offer. Amazing to think of the stroke and the pull to get Kane, Taker, Show and Austin !! Even if a little in their down time to come down and pay forward to the business to create a bumper crop of super stars. Really this is their Class of '92 if anyone knows the football analogy.

  • @MetalJT24
    @MetalJT24 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Leviathan to Deacon Batista.... big improvement huh dave.

    • @chrishernandez3699
      @chrishernandez3699 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Neither gimmick was right for him. At least once Vince put him in Evolution, Batista began to figure himself out.

  • @TheTalk23
    @TheTalk23 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can see Batista's point. Goldberg never improved. Why? Because he only had squashes matches. Having said that being that big can be a double edged sword. Because everyone will look at you as a simple attraction not wrestler.

  • @ScottsCollection
    @ScottsCollection 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone who takes the Universal Studios backlot tour will know who Carl Laemmle is.

  • @bubblesthemonkey6615
    @bubblesthemonkey6615 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Honestly I really like Batista and I understand his point of view here.

  • @tomwellman4500
    @tomwellman4500 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I wonder if Jim watched Fright Night "every sinister Saturday at seven" on Channel 41 from Louisville back in the day like I did....

  • @rainman3164
    @rainman3164 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don’t think Dave made a mistake because the proof is in the pudding. However, he would have made a great monster and he’s got the acting range to be a scary dude. I think it boils down to the fact that he just wasn’t into it.

  • @zaboknowsbest13
    @zaboknowsbest13 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Some dudes just need different styles of leadership to succeed. Really odd that jim wouldnt know that lol

    • @benjambreeg
      @benjambreeg วันที่ผ่านมา

      he's being incredibly nice here lol. Dave went on to become deacon Batista or whatever.. and that went nowhere. only after he hooked up with triple h did he get to be a star

  • @BoondockBrony
    @BoondockBrony 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Batista didn't bring up he was way older than the other guys in OVW. I think that's why he wasn't progressing as quick as the other people.

  • @sweetpepino1907
    @sweetpepino1907 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This does seem like something I'd love to hear them have an actual conversation about, because I can understand both sides, and they seem amicable to the fact they see the situation differently.

  • @LemoTetson
    @LemoTetson 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel like Jim and Brian have to be following my Internet history and eBay/Amazon purchase history, lol. I JUST bought MOC figures of Space Ghost and The Creature from the Black Lagoon. Also a big fan of obscure comedian Professor Irwin Corey. And all these characters have not only been mentioned by Jim, but have also popped up in Travis’s drawings!
    These guys have great taste!

  • @titowrestling
    @titowrestling 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Fact is that Batista was still well trained by the time he joined WWE. In my opinion, he benefitted most because his WWE and OVW characters are 2 different individuals. Deacon Batista was a bust, but it forced him to invent a better character.

  • @Iambetterthanyouanduknowit
    @Iambetterthanyouanduknowit 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sorry but as much as I love Cornette, Batista is 100 percent correct. Jim had some really stupid gimmicks for his wrestlers in OVW. Batista (lives underwater lmao) cena (half man half android lmao). He makes fun of Russo for Bill Ding the evil architect but that’s just as stupid as a lot of the gimmicks he has come up with

  • @ryanmussell739
    @ryanmussell739 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Been waiting for this since the comments from Drax.

  • @TheMM1215
    @TheMM1215 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was there for a lot of those OVW shows. Good times.

  • @demetriusjarrett5868
    @demetriusjarrett5868 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seems to me people where waiting on batista to be assertive and confident so they can have the excuse of he was to cocky when they finally put that knife in his back

  • @allensmith4863
    @allensmith4863 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Prime example of why you need to hear from the horses mouth. He might be wrong but at least its firsthand at last not gossip

  • @mrvxg4820
    @mrvxg4820 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I guess silly characters are fun when Jim does it. If AEW made Wardlow a sea creature Corny would pop a blood vessel lol

    • @Voysh2Voysh69
      @Voysh2Voysh69 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It’s like how Jim could book a satanic group (Disciples of Synn) in OVW. But Jim regularly craps all over the House of Black in AEW, which is essentially the same gimmick. Lol

  • @TheDistantman
    @TheDistantman วันที่ผ่านมา

    WHEN'S CVV INTERVIEWING CORNEY?! I've been Praying for this interview for years

  • @ericgilbert56
    @ericgilbert56 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I'm still baffled by the transition from Leviathan to Jeff Goldblum overnight. WTH?

  • @lionelt7882
    @lionelt7882 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Clearly a lot of OVW gimmicks didn’t carry over…for good reasons.

  • @liamnguyen2819
    @liamnguyen2819 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Oh man, prior to this I had just stumbled upon the clips where Batista makes mention of his time in OVW and Jim.
    When I saw the title of this vid I thought, "oooh this should be interesting." >:-)

  • @monoaguilar6867
    @monoaguilar6867 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Happy birthday, Jim!!!

  • @phm1247
    @phm1247 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Batista's comments on Jim are appalling - when any wrestler starts it is a 100-1+ chance of making it big in the business. For any wrestler to criticise any wrestling manager/trainer who helps them to be the 1 in a 100 who makes it is so ungrateful it is pathetic & shameful. Jim's management & booking of Batista as a squash-match Goliath who did short Sid Justice style promos, with long-matches only against other giants like Kane, Undertaker, or Big Show where he looked gassed, is an example of perfect management. If Batista had not been managed the way Jim did it, & instead Batista been managed the way he wanted doing long-matches against mud-show journeymen wrestlers half his size then the eagle-eyed wrestling crowd spotting him as a juicehead turkey who couldn't work, & he'd have been one of the 99 in a 100 wrestlers who failed to make it big and would have be working in a gym somewhere as a broke personal trainer. Batista owes everything to Jim's perfect management of him.

  • @jhmoxl
    @jhmoxl 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    surprisingly sober discussion from both Dave and Jim, about how it almost didn't happen for Dave. Different perspectives obviously but, I appreciate both men talking about each other like men!

  • @StevenNotRichards
    @StevenNotRichards 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    People will probably disagree, but OVW was a terrible fit for WWF/WWE as developmental. It was fine for learning basics, but the product itself was so different than what the main roster was producing. OVW was southern, both in location and booking. Different style of writing, wrestling and producing.
    There's a shoot interview where Jim complains that WWE would send him WWE sized rings and he would refuse to use them. If one of your main purposes is to groom guys for WWE TV, why would that be a hindrance? NXT is basically indy WWE and seems to be a much better system for getting guys ready for the main roster.

  • @righteousrawb7225
    @righteousrawb7225 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Do you know how long I've been waiting for this?

  • @Christoffski
    @Christoffski 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Steve Austin makes me think of pick up trucks and beer. Batista makes me think of diet coke and knitting.

  • @michaelh3583
    @michaelh3583 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I saw the clip, I couldn't wait to hear Jim's response.