Linda's real relationship with Vince has been as his enabler. She never cared what he did (and who really knows what she's done)as long as it didn't affect her lifestyle and her social and political connections. When Vince was in trouble, Linda and Jerry McDevitt (Their fixer) would show up with an NDA and the first hush money payment in hand. Linda may have presented herself well, but she's never been any better than Vince.
I think the anecdote about Vince crying at a Linda campaign stop stemmed from his safety nets slowly winding up - Linda going into politics, Jerry McDevitt getting older and retiring, Laurenitis getting hitched to the Bellas' mom and attempting to be normal and domesticated - more so than any "losing [my] wife" type shit
The editing netflix did for this was hilarious, they ask Stephanie about the storyline that went too far for her and she refused to talk about it, then it immediately cut to Vince gladly telling it with no shame "Yeah i pitched that i was gonna get her pregnant"🤣
Lol the take concussion segment was humorous, Taker saying he had a concussion, cut to vince saying he doesn't remember it because it was too traumatic for him. Lol.
@@ghengisdong6714 Netflix knew what they was doing with that editing 🤣Its all over the doc, moments of Vince saying something then they cut to footage that disproves what he just said and shows how full of 💩he is
When Vince was talking about how his dad in the end finally accepted him and loved him then it cuts to Tony Atlas like 'i don't think Vince ever liked his dad' 😂 i laughed so hard
Seriously I've heard so much about Tony Atlas but he's always on the cusp of all this wrestling documentary work that's been coming out lately. Somebody needs to sit down with a man and hear his story I'm sure he has a lot to say
@@robertnapier624Yep. HHH said in an interview about six years ago, he let their oldest intern with him, then Stephanie, and she said, "I don't want your job or mama's job. Pop-Pop's job."
Me I hope he does go to aew and gets his love and attention he wants and puts his stamp on wrestling like he wants and tk listen to him time will tell I think Shane needs this to close his book on wrestling and I support that good luck
I always loved Shane and you could feel the real life tension between them always and the desire inside him just to feel approved by his father I hope he takes over AEW and runs it the right way then gives it to his dad as like an ultimate means of respect and approval from his father which is what I suspect is going on anyway now that we know HHH and Stephanie essentially did a hostile takeover it’s so obvious the anonymous phone call steph asking him to step down ironically thats what vince wanted to have one of his kids have the guts to take him out of the business by any means necessary to prove they were cutthroat enough to deserve it however ultimately Shane going to AEW I feel is one last attempt to gain his fathers approval by running it with Vince being a shadow leader of sorts
@@joseconcepcion6949 nobody in awe will take any notice of him unfortunately. Tk would only want him there as an FU to WWE . Sad because he would be a real asset. That being said, he'll be a billionaire one day so if he wanted to buy himself in he probably could
Vince played out his traumas and fantasies on-screen under the guise of characters and storylines to avoid the consequences that would come with it. His downfall was that he slipped up and did some of them in reality as well and is now facing the consequences he wanted to avoid.
Very well said, basically the summation of the entire docuseries. I agree with Jim and Brian that we didn't learn anything new, but the narrative thread of the documentary was new, because of what we know now, and it framed it that way. It was an updated take on a known story.
They didn't even tell the worst parts of that story! First that it was when she was actually pregnant, and secondly that Vince suggested Shane be the father when she turned him down.
I can't wait to hear these guys talk about Vince saying he doesn't believe The Undertaker had a concussion. He said Taker went into shock when the win streak ended at that Wrestlemania 🤦
Vince says something that could be true about his father being old school Irish.. I'm 38 and many of our fathers were still like that (in Ireland). Like most things that has changed a lot since then.. Tough "love".
Vince is like many other rich people who had rich or influential parents. They downplay how much their parents’ wealth and connections helped them in order to project this persona that they were a self made business person.
Vince is self made. His actual dad was barely around and he grew up poor with his mom and abusive step dad. He didn’t inherit WWF he literally bought it from his dad.
@@kenthegamer Yes, Vince bought it from his dad, but the deal was made so that it was paid for by the profits that the WWF was taking in. Like Corny was saying, the profits came from deals, partnerships, etc that had been long set up McMahon Sr., so by allowing Vince Jr. to use the company profits, he was never in any real danger of actually failing to buy the company. Had he not been able to use the company’s profits, then the risk of Vince failing to make the payments on time is much greater. So Junior did not “do it all by himself”, his dad set him up to succeed. Nothing wrong with that of course, but just come out and say that dad made it so that you were able to buy the company and keep it under the family name.
Vince refusing or being reluctant to talk about his early life is compounded by that being in his late 70’s and no one else seems to be around. Parents and brother gone. No childhood friends. Teachers are dead I’m sure. Other than him who can tell the story.
I feel like someone must have receipts but they need their grandkid to help them work the ol' Netflix before they can correct Vince's inaccuracies. He's old but not THAT old, there's someone he knew from childhood still alive somewhere.
After episode 5, I got the impression that there’s a lot of tension between Shane and Stephanie/Triple H. Probably from the fact that Vince gave a lot of control to these two over Shane. I remember when Shane went on Mick Foley’s show and the only good thing he could say about HHH was “he makes my sister happy” lol
I'd be surprised if there wasn't lol. She did basically elbow him out of the business, and Shane was always kind of protective of her. Maybe he thinks all wrestlers are like his dad.
Why? He never abandoned his children or physically assaulted them. For all his faults as a human being or as a blood thirsty promoter, there was never any reports he was horrible to his children.
@@rajakghosh6602 Telling Shane that he's too nice and that if he wants to take over the company, he needs to kill him (Vince), and if Shane can't do it, he's not man enough to run the company. That is some sick sh!t.
What was really interesting was his reaction whenever Sable came up. He wasn’t uncomfortable about steroids, screwjobs or even Owen Hart dying. But Sable? He starts pretending he can’t remember her like a spurned teenage boy.
The way he chuckled after saying his wife looked good at the wrestlemania press conference was quite endearing. He grinned like he knew he was a lucky SOB.
Shane reminds me so much of Edsel Ford. Brilliant heir behind many innovative things (Model A, Mercury, Lincoln) to a business empire whose dad was a dick to him for no reason.
One thing that’s been said post 2000 and had to weigh on the Vince/Shane relationship is that Vince always saw Hunter as the son he always wanted to have. That had to mess with Shane’s psyche quite a bit a bit.
Reminds me of Henry and Edsel Ford. There was Edsel Designed a brand new car engine, built it, showed it to his dad, and then Henry Ford showed Edsel his new Scrap Metal Shredder by putting his son's engin in it. He would constantly berate him, call him weak, send private eyes to spy on him, and when Edsel started feeling ill Henry blamed it on his poor diet. It was stomach cancer. Henry Ford outlived his son by 4 years. Henry II, Edsel's son, would become CEO of Ford Motors.
There were over 100 HOURs of interview footage filmed between 2021 - 2022. What we saw in this less than 6 hours Documentary is hardly the tip of iceberg. Take out credits, narrating over older footage and everything else that was NOT someone being interviewed and you can only imagine how much was left on the table.
Jim's reaction to the "bark like a dog" bit is why I can't believe anyone who watched the show is actually surprised by the Janel Grant stuff. Shocked? Yes. Surprised? No.
this is why when they say in Pro Wrestling the best characters are you dialed up an 11, how does that work when Mr. McMahon is Vince dialed down to a 1?
"His children are gonna be KIDNAPPED! ...And his wife is gonna R*PED by a motorcycle gang right in front of the Undertaker!" That's when the sexual assault 1st came out and people were shocked; my first thought was: "Have none of people watched WWE in last 30 years? Vince McMahon is a sick, distrubuted human being."
Ridiculous as that was, someone at least tried to do something about it. All two of them, but by the time Samoa Joe was getting kidnapped by ninjas these stupid programs were acting like it's perfectly normal to just sit there and do nothing, not even call police!
the heartbrealing thing for me was Shane talking about how all he wanted was toale hisndad respect/be proud of him. He beams when he is talking about his match with Taker at Mania and says "I got a hug for that one". And then tgey go to so many wrestlers talking about how Vince is like a Father figure to them....but Shane doesnt feel like that.
Mom issues. If what he said about incest is true then technically Vince is actually a VICTIM. But since hes a man he's beyond reproach and beyond saving. He's trash buy all you emasculated men in the comment section... But know if he was a woman we would be coddling her and blaming the father for everything.
I blame vince's parents and stepfather for how he turned out. Did his brother turn out like this as well? I hate how the word misogynist gets casually thrown out, but I'd say vince definitely is one. On screen and off.
I now want to hear Jim and Brian discuss how different the WWF and the wrestling business in general would have been had Vince, Sr. sold the company to Gorilla.
There’s loads of what ifs besides what if Vince Sr never sold to his son. Like what if Owen hart never broke Austin’s neck? What if the Montreal ScrewJob never happened? What if Chris Benoit died before he did what he did? There’s so many what ifs.
Shane is a sympathetic figure and I felt for him. Related. And he should be proud of being a loving father, which you can sense that he is, given how he was treated by his father. I wonder if he’s gotten to the point where he no longer tries to get love from a rock. It took me a long time.
I could maybe buy it a few years ago when vince was still running wwe, but now? Why? He wouldn't be sticking it to the old man. It'd just be him and his brother in law going at it. The impression I've gotten is shane and triple h are on good terms?
I find it interesting that the most revealing interviews Vince ever gave came w/in a months time of each other ( Feb 01’ Playboy & March 01’ Howard Stern Show) …this was around the time they were just about to purchase WCW and it was clear he was the winner of the “Monday Night Wars” …it’s very telling that he was finally able to sorta open up about himself once he finally “won”
I have finished all 6 episodes and I tell you what, after everyone else finishes it, to hell with Cody, Shane McMahon would be the biggest Babyface in the business, you feel so bad for the guy
Vince Mcmahon was the ringmaster of his tourning carnival version of neverland ranch featuring superheros and villains and had complete control, sometimes sadistically
When I saw an interview with Linda and Stephanie... Linda tells that SHE had to talk Vince into letting Triple H and Stephanie date.... because Stephanie was afraid to ask her dad about it.
I've also always heard Vince was against it at the time. He's probably just changed his mind now and as a compulsive liar he can't admit that he wasn't always supportive.
The story goes that Vince always liked Triple H and would always tell Stephanie to look for a guy like him. Eventually when they did start dating, he wanted them to stop because he was getting heat from the wrestlers because a wrestler dating the boss’s daughter would obviously cause a lot of heat. They decided not to follow that advice and Vince eventually relented and the rest is history.
Shane was given a life of privilege and sadly Vince McMahon telling him to buy him out is like Lion in captivity vs lion in the wild it’s not possible. My heart goes out to Shane I met him at a bar in NYC he had bodyguards and tips very very well.
I believe Vince and Linda haven’t been together in many many years and stay together for political and financial purposes it brings to mind Bill and Hillary
@@GuidoGrasso Bill and Hillary. Donald and Melania. Bill and Melinda.... Lots of rich people stay married for more practical reasons. As long as you don't take any trips with Epstein.
Shane’s idea seemed sound, though, I’m sure he’s done fine outside of WWE. TKO is basically what Shane envisioned ~20 yrs ago. Vince’s dad gave him a sweetheart deal. Vince frames it differently but his dad was actually easier on him than he was on his kids.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, Vince got some therapy earlier in his life and is a totally different person who didn't become a creep and has other hobbies/interests outside of running his wrestling company.
IMO Vince is Jealous of Shane, he went out of his way not to help him at all, then refused to leave the company to Shane. He should have loaned him money for UFC but Vince didn’t want to see him succeed. Shane was a visionary, Vince is a crook.
what everyone forgets about the no mercy match between vince and steph. in the lead up to it, steph implies vince pimped her out to other promoters, sponsors and tv execs when she was 17.
Something else related to that build was the pre-taped interview Stephanie did, there were reports back then that people were leaving their seats when that aired in the arena. Also regarding the match, they had to pay a fine to let it happen because the PPV was in Baltimore and the Maryland State Athletic Commission are against Intergender matches (same reason WCW changed the mixed tag match at Great American Bash 91).
22:45 Damn, Heyman low-key is one of the worst in the business if he has been whispering in Vince's ears to stop his implicating himself. That means he clearly knew Vince was guilty of some nasty shit, hence his silence after the Lesnar allegations.
Dont forget on that mr mchamon dvd 2005 vince had a problem with hhh and Stephanie dating at first and they did stop for a while did Vince said ok he was cool with it and hhh said he asked undertaker for his opinion on it
I mean seriously, how did Shane and Stephanie turn out relatively... normal?? Linda must be some kind of saint (which we know isn't true either, she was in Trump's cabinet)
I'd wager that Vince kept Shane under his thumb with no power because he was terrified that Shane would do what Vince did to his Dad even though it doesn't seem Shane is a sociopath like Vince.
I really wanted to know how Shane felt about all of that. It's like everything he wanted went to Triple H. Even if Shane didn't wanna answer the question, I wished the interviewer had asked him.
Paul Heyman just said “Vince McMahon is a textbook narcissist” in a way that would sell tickets. You (Jim) defined it summarizing Heyman’s description. I believe Vince had an extremely traumatic upbringing. Here are a list of traits from Harvard’s website: a grandiose sense of self-importance a preoccupation with fantasies of success, power, beauty, or perfect love a belief that they are "special" and can only be understood by other special people a need for excessive admiration a sense of entitlement, which may include an unreasonable expectation to be treated favorably or for others to comply with their demands and expectations behavior that is exploitative and takes advantage of others to achieve their own ends a lack of empathy or an unwillingness to identify with the needs of others a tendency to be envious of others or a belief that others are envious of them arrogance, haughty behaviors, and attitudes. Sound like anyone we’ve heard of?
Yeah, and these people are acting like trish is some innocent child who doesn't understand what Vince did. Most likely she was fine with all this stuff because he had an extramarital affair with her.
Shane seemingly broke the cycle with his kids, though. Props to him.
His son Declan is Vince’s clone, I see him becoming a wrestler at some point lol
@@yusufgazi7the cycle of abuse and neglectful fathers.
You can’t always help how a kid turns out.
@@55chevy327 There are no bad kids. Only bad parents.
His wife must be a really really good person. Also both his sons look athletic enough to be stars in ring.
@@ebpatton where did I say that? I didn’t even say his kids grew up to be a-holes. I just said you can’t always help how a kid turns out.
Linda's real relationship with Vince has been as his enabler. She never cared what he did (and who really knows what she's done)as long as it didn't affect her lifestyle and her social and political connections. When Vince was in trouble, Linda and Jerry McDevitt (Their fixer) would show up with an NDA and the first hush money payment in hand. Linda may have presented herself well, but she's never been any better than Vince.
I think the anecdote about Vince crying at a Linda campaign stop stemmed from his safety nets slowly winding up - Linda going into politics, Jerry McDevitt getting older and retiring, Laurenitis getting hitched to the Bellas' mom and attempting to be normal and domesticated - more so than any "losing [my] wife" type shit
I believe he was crying because she lost a campaign that spent several hundred million dollars.
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Thank you!! All these power couples are scumbags both sides. Linda knew and probably even hooked vince up with some of the women and stuff too.
Not to mention supporting President Pigshit.
The editing netflix did for this was hilarious, they ask Stephanie about the storyline that went too far for her and she refused to talk about it, then it immediately cut to Vince gladly telling it with no shame "Yeah i pitched that i was gonna get her pregnant"🤣
Lol the take concussion segment was humorous, Taker saying he had a concussion, cut to vince saying he doesn't remember it because it was too traumatic for him. Lol.
@@ghengisdong6714 Netflix knew what they was doing with that editing 🤣Its all over the doc, moments of Vince saying something then they cut to footage that disproves what he just said and shows how full of 💩he is
@@SAMCRO_89"There was no rape."
*2 seconds later*
"COME ON OUT, YOOOOUUUU RAPIST."
@@stareater1870 🤣 Yes, then "No one was shot" cuts to Brian Pillman with a gun shooting Austin.
When Vince was talking about how his dad in the end finally accepted him and loved him then it cuts to Tony Atlas like 'i don't think Vince ever liked his dad' 😂 i laughed so hard
Give Tony Atlas a 30 for 30, or a Netflix documentary, or something. I'd watch the Hell outta that sh🤬. 😂 He is hilarious 🤣.
Seriously I've heard so much about Tony Atlas but he's always on the cusp of all this wrestling documentary work that's been coming out lately. Somebody needs to sit down with a man and hear his story I'm sure he has a lot to say
Or get Tony on the Experience pls
Tony had a True Life MTV Documentary episode about him a long time ago. I'd like to see a new one though.
He grabbed my pecker😂
He grabbed mah peckah
Jim’s theory of Vince wanting to get Stephanie and HHH together in order to sire a wrestling executive grandchild is hilarious.
Isn’t one of Stephanie and Triple H’s daughters all grown up now and in college? She might not be far off becoming an executive herself
I genuinely would not be surprised if it was true 😂
@@robertnapier624Yep. HHH said in an interview about six years ago, he let their oldest intern with him, then Stephanie, and she said, "I don't want your job or mama's job. Pop-Pop's job."
I felt bad for Shane after watching this.
Me I hope he does go to aew and gets his love and attention he wants and puts his stamp on wrestling like he wants and tk listen to him time will tell I think Shane needs this to close his book on wrestling and I support that good luck
I always loved Shane and you could feel the real life tension between them always and the desire inside him just to feel approved by his father I hope he takes over AEW and runs it the right way then gives it to his dad as like an ultimate means of respect and approval from his father which is what I suspect is going on anyway now that we know HHH and Stephanie essentially did a hostile takeover it’s so obvious the anonymous phone call steph asking him to step down ironically thats what vince wanted to have one of his kids have the guts to take him out of the business by any means necessary to prove they were cutthroat enough to deserve it however ultimately Shane going to AEW I feel is one last attempt to gain his fathers approval by running it with Vince being a shadow leader of sorts
@@joseconcepcion6949 nobody in awe will take any notice of him unfortunately. Tk would only want him there as an FU to WWE . Sad because he would be a real asset. That being said, he'll be a billionaire one day so if he wanted to buy himself in he probably could
@@joseconcepcion6949 Will only happen if Tony actually listens to him
brian calling heyman lord varys is WAY too accurate 😂😂
I thought that was Luther.
I cackled. This implies that fucking Pritchard is essentially Pycelle too
I think Heyman is more like Littlefinger than Varys.
🗣"Whichever one" 🤷🏾♂️🤣
Agreed, came here to say this lol. Great analogy.
Vince played out his traumas and fantasies on-screen under the guise of characters and storylines to avoid the consequences that would come with it. His downfall was that he slipped up and did some of them in reality as well and is now facing the consequences he wanted to avoid.
Perfectly said
But remember Mr. McMahon is NOTHING like Vince McMahon. ;)
Well said
The way he screamed ‘ya gonna cry’ to that young woman was a lil spooky considering…
Very well said, basically the summation of the entire docuseries. I agree with Jim and Brian that we didn't learn anything new, but the narrative thread of the documentary was new, because of what we know now, and it framed it that way. It was an updated take on a known story.
Shane looking at Vince.. "what Kind of Father do I want to be? Anyways probaly not like him"
Thank god Stephanie shot down the idea Vince is the father of his daughters child. Incestuous is the last thing I want to see in wrestling.
They didn't even tell the worst parts of that story! First that it was when she was actually pregnant, and secondly that Vince suggested Shane be the father when she turned him down.
yeah its bad enough incest is all over the adult entertainment videos, in wrestling it would have been real cringe
I can 100% see aew doing something like this with nick plain and nick plains mom
@@NotAdultingTodayno their fans are snowflakes. They will do blood and violence but nothing sexual.
Too close to real life for Steph. You think HHH didnt get sloppy seconds?
Jim and Brian are doing some serious Netflix and chilling...
Brian needs to make sure he doesn’t reach his hand in Corny’s popcorn bucket.
I always knew Last preferred the company of men.
I hate you so much for making me cackle. Great comment lololol
@TheDaveKrueger he's got a little sugar in the gas tank!
😂😂😂😂😂
No matter how much they ask, Vince will never admit to molestation. His ego cannot let him admit to that level of vulnerability.
Even if he does he’ll come up with his own vinceism for it.
Irony , it s not so much about ego but whi wants to come to terms with the fact that their own MITHER did something like that to him?
"Vince tried be baby face. Remember that" - Jim Cornette
It's wild he UNIRONICALLY thought that he'd be the babyface after that given they literally shot that angle in Bret Hart's Canada
@17:30 so true. batista once said, he knew a promo was written by vince because the word "bastard" would be in it multiple times.
Amazing that Shane turned out to be the relatively decent guy that he seems to be considering his upbringing.
his an interesting guy for sure, the fact he is a billionaires son and did some of the stuff he did in wwe purely for our entertainment , legend.
Bash said something along the lines of how there was no reason for a rich kid like Shane to be that cool.
He is mommy's boy. Stephanie is daddy's girl. Stephanie even looks more like her father than Shane.
@dunnydun209 maybe or he was trying to get his dad to look or talk about him the way vince talks about wrestlers.
@@duanebailey6253 great take, never thought of that
I can't wait to hear these guys talk about Vince saying he doesn't believe The Undertaker had a concussion. He said Taker went into shock when the win streak ended at that Wrestlemania 🤦
That really bother me, and I hope it bother Mark the same way.
Especially with Taker saying he take a bullet for him.
This family has had some major generational trauma and it shows that money doesn’t fix everything.
It can’t buy happiness that’s for sure.
Vince says something that could be true about his father being old school Irish..
I'm 38 and many of our fathers were still like that (in Ireland). Like most things that has changed a lot since then..
Tough "love".
The Trish Stratus stuff is the ultimate example of why people who hate wrestling hate wrestling 🙃
Not at all
The main example is pretty deadly
@@pleaseshutup7053💀💀💀🤣
It was entertaining though
That made people watch more wrestling.
Vince is like many other rich people who had rich or influential parents. They downplay how much their parents’ wealth and connections helped them in order to project this persona that they were a self made business person.
Yep. He couldn't give Shane the same deal his father game him, because it would be admitting he didn't do it on his own.
@@vanyadollynah. Shane isnt vince. You need obsession like vince to make it to the top of any business.
Exactly they love to give off a impression that they got it out the mud when that’s the furthest from the truth
Vince is self made. His actual dad was barely around and he grew up poor with his mom and abusive step dad. He didn’t inherit WWF he literally bought it from his dad.
@@kenthegamer Yes, Vince bought it from his dad, but the deal was made so that it was paid for by the profits that the WWF was taking in. Like Corny was saying, the profits came from deals, partnerships, etc that had been long set up McMahon Sr., so by allowing Vince Jr. to use the company profits, he was never in any real danger of actually failing to buy the company. Had he not been able to use the company’s profits, then the risk of Vince failing to make the payments on time is much greater. So Junior did not “do it all by himself”, his dad set him up to succeed. Nothing wrong with that of course, but just come out and say that dad made it so that you were able to buy the company and keep it under the family name.
Jim is enjoying every bit of this series.
Paul E, Bret and Tony have made this entertaining
You can tell that’s where a lot of the honesty is coming from
Vince was shitting bricks every time Sable was mentioned. The Brock Lesnar Effect is real LOL.
Vince refusing or being reluctant to talk about his early life is compounded by that being in his late 70’s and no one else seems to be around. Parents and brother gone. No childhood friends. Teachers are dead I’m sure. Other than him who can tell the story.
I feel like someone must have receipts but they need their grandkid to help them work the ol' Netflix before they can correct Vince's inaccuracies. He's old but not THAT old, there's someone he knew from childhood still alive somewhere.
The fact that no one talks about his brother is very interesting
@@stevengrvp I think because they didn't grow up together the brothers would have little knowledge of each others lives. Vince really was on his own
@@shaunflavour6366 the issue is to act like he didn't exist at all is a problem. No one brings him up. A lot of people don't know Vince had a brother
I think Vince's mom is still alive. She's 100.
I'll never understand why Vince chose a Playboy magazine interview of all places to be that open.
JC & BL easily has had the best takes on this documentary 💯
I’d have to disagree about Jim’s opinion on Pat patterson
They’re the only ones I have listened to on this. I knew they would bring more history than editorials.
Jim knows Vince really, really well. But at the same time, never had much reason to bow down to Vince or be afraid of him.
I’m just thankful these guys are around for the honesty the wrestling business needs and deserves 👍
@@stinkman666That's because you heard what he said but you didn't actually listen to what he said.
"The clip of Trish stripping and barking like a dog" was the perfect moment to play an advert for Rover pet care, well done TH-cam.
21:35 New legal term learned: "Attempted fuckin' "
After episode 5, I got the impression that there’s a lot of tension between Shane and Stephanie/Triple H. Probably from the fact that Vince gave a lot of control to these two over Shane.
I remember when Shane went on Mick Foley’s show and the only good thing he could say about HHH was “he makes my sister happy” lol
I'd be surprised if there wasn't lol. She did basically elbow him out of the business, and Shane was always kind of protective of her. Maybe he thinks all wrestlers are like his dad.
IIRC, he still has not returned to the company after Vince left.
He's probably estranged but cordial with Steph and HHH.
I think we can all agree Vince is a horrible parent.
Why? He never abandoned his children or physically assaulted them. For all his faults as a human being or as a blood thirsty promoter, there was never any reports he was horrible to his children.
@@rajakghosh6602 He may not have physically assaulted them, but he did his best to mentally assault them.
@@mr.whisper3338in what capacity?
@@rajakghosh6602 Telling Shane that he's too nice and that if he wants to take over the company, he needs to kill him (Vince), and if Shane can't do it, he's not man enough to run the company. That is some sick sh!t.
@@rajakghosh6602being an absent parent that doesn’t care about his kids is a form of abuse too
What was really interesting was his reaction whenever Sable came up. He wasn’t uncomfortable about steroids, screwjobs or even Owen Hart dying. But Sable? He starts pretending he can’t remember her like a spurned teenage boy.
He was probably thinking Brock Lesnar still exists.
I think it was Jericho who said/wrote that Vince kept saying 'bastard' was the very worst insult you could say to someone.
Stephanie still fine as hell. Triple H is a lucky man
The way he chuckled after saying his wife looked good at the wrestlemania press conference was quite endearing. He grinned like he knew he was a lucky SOB.
i think they are divorcing
She's leaving him for Theory. Hence the burial.
Not so lucky when they’re divorcing
She's a lucky woman.
Shane reminds me so much of Edsel Ford. Brilliant heir behind many innovative things (Model A, Mercury, Lincoln) to a business empire whose dad was a dick to him for no reason.
Cornys reviews are better than the actual freaking Vince McMahon documentary.
Just finished the last episode when this one dropped. Rapid fire Cornette.
No way Stephanie and HHH's wedding on PPV could have been better than Uncle Elmers on SNME
What an awful segment that was lol
@@stfi7566 I would still need Jesse Ventura to MC or host the event
Heyman cutting a promo about Vince telling Shane to stab him gave me chills. He’s the best talker in the business.
Made you wonder what the cause of death was for Vince Sr.
@@TimeBomb014X No. It doesn't. Vince was a narcissist he wasn't a murderer. Talk about being overly dramatic lmfao
And an even better asskisser.
@@nathano9637 Vince covered for Snuka, wouldnit be unheard for him? Vince will do anything for his business
@@TimeBomb014XYour life lacks meaning
One thing that’s been said post 2000 and had to weigh on the Vince/Shane relationship is that Vince always saw Hunter as the son he always wanted to have.
That had to mess with Shane’s psyche quite a bit a bit.
I’m convinced that it’s the bodybuilding. If Shane was more of a bodybuilder Vince would like him more.
If you really look into it was him vs shane at WM some kind of role play of him and his step dad, letting his son beat him
The wife helping the son
Reminds me of Henry and Edsel Ford. There was Edsel Designed a brand new car engine, built it, showed it to his dad, and then Henry Ford showed Edsel his new Scrap Metal Shredder by putting his son's engin in it. He would constantly berate him, call him weak, send private eyes to spy on him, and when Edsel started feeling ill Henry blamed it on his poor diet.
It was stomach cancer. Henry Ford outlived his son by 4 years. Henry II, Edsel's son, would become CEO of Ford Motors.
At lease Vince didn’t get essentially the equivalent of the medal of freedom from Adolf Hitler
Heyman may look a bit like Varys, but he is absolutely Little Finger.
Chaos is a ladda
Based.
Varys is similar to Little Finger,
Tbh he would fit Heyman more
Chaos is a Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Who the hell is that?
No Savage or CM Punk are big omissions.
There were over 100 HOURs of interview footage filmed between 2021 - 2022.
What we saw in this less than 6 hours Documentary is hardly the tip of iceberg. Take out credits, narrating over older footage and everything else that was NOT someone being interviewed and you can only imagine how much was left on the table.
Oh man, I'd love to see some of that footage lol
The Storyline of Vince McMahon being revealed as the father of Stephanie’s child would have been such good ish Pal
The Paul heyman description of Vince and Shane’s argument was the best part of the whole documentary!!
Paul E was really killing it this series. The line about vinces only monogamous relationship.
Only if Brickhouse Brown and Newjack were both still alive. They would have definitely been interviewed by Netflix
Jim's reaction to the "bark like a dog" bit is why I can't believe anyone who watched the show is actually surprised by the Janel Grant stuff. Shocked? Yes. Surprised? No.
Well Linda seems like candy and kisses kind of woman, while the other guy likes "good shit" ...
this is why when they say in Pro Wrestling the best characters are you dialed up an 11, how does that work when Mr. McMahon is Vince dialed down to a 1?
I couldn’t believe Trish was defending the barking incident, Stockholm Syndrome is real.
The royalties syndrome is real......😂😂😂😂
Since she made tons of money from it it doesn't really surprise me
Her explanation was valid.
Finally a Jim cornette review of Trish barking for Vince I never thought I’d see the day 😂
Nah that promo backstage Vince cut with Paul back in 03 talking about Undertaker’s wife was when I realized Vince was nuts
"His children are gonna be KIDNAPPED! ...And his wife is gonna R*PED by a motorcycle gang right in front of the Undertaker!"
That's when the sexual assault 1st came out and people were shocked; my first thought was: "Have none of people watched WWE in last 30 years? Vince McMahon is a sick, distrubuted human being."
Trish Stratus bound and gagged the ruthless aggression era 😂😂
Ridiculous as that was, someone at least tried to do something about it. All two of them, but by the time Samoa Joe was getting kidnapped by ninjas these stupid programs were acting like it's perfectly normal to just sit there and do nothing, not even call police!
These thumbnails are killing me 🤣
I need Jim's reaction to the greatest piece of wrestling Merch ever. WWE are now selling toilet paper with Dirty Dom's face on it.
For real?
I saw that I thought it was a meme. Genius!
@jasonelliott7977 yes it's on WWE Shop and heading to Wallmart and Target
"Dominic is a goddamn STAR" for ten minutes, I guarantee you
I thought this comment was a total work, but it's clearly a shoot. Just don't tell Logan Paul.
Has corney ever given his two cents on the randy savage situation? His opinion on what may or may not have happened?
This is the best content about the docuseries on the whole Internet
Sad to say, rich people still treat thier children like they're breeding horses. They worry more about status than they do about love.
The biggest thing they left out of the documentary is the Saudi Arabia deal. I'm astounded that wasn't covered. AT ALL.
the heartbrealing thing for me was Shane talking about how all he wanted was toale hisndad respect/be proud of him. He beams when he is talking about his match with Taker at Mania and says "I got a hug for that one". And then tgey go to so many wrestlers talking about how Vince is like a Father figure to them....but Shane doesnt feel like that.
Corny does deserve credit for analyzing Vince initially
You people act like he didn't work with him lol
Lord Varys is a great description of Paul Heyman.
I'm not much of a psychoanalyst but I really think Vince hates women based on the things he has done to them on tv.
HBK agrees with you. I blame Vince's mother for the way he turned out.
Mom issues. If what he said about incest is true then technically Vince is actually a VICTIM. But since hes a man he's beyond reproach and beyond saving. He's trash buy all you emasculated men in the comment section...
But know if he was a woman we would be coddling her and blaming the father for everything.
The opposite sex parent can really scar a kid with their behavior. This is where "daddy issues" comes from
I blame vince's parents and stepfather for how he turned out. Did his brother turn out like this as well?
I hate how the word misogynist gets casually thrown out, but I'd say vince definitely is one. On screen and off.
@@NotAdultingToday yeah there has to be a reason or reasons for someone to be a misogynist. They’re not a misogynist for no reason.
I now want to hear Jim and Brian discuss how different the WWF and the wrestling business in general would have been had Vince, Sr. sold the company to Gorilla.
Just as carny
There’s loads of what ifs besides what if Vince Sr never sold to his son. Like what if Owen hart never broke Austin’s neck? What if the Montreal ScrewJob never happened? What if Chris Benoit died before he did what he did? There’s so many what ifs.
The problem with what ifs is they tend to be exampled in vacuums exclusive to what was happening elsewhere.
Shane is a sympathetic figure and I felt for him. Related. And he should be proud of being a loving father, which you can sense that he is, given how he was treated by his father. I wonder if he’s gotten to the point where he no longer tries to get love from a rock. It took me a long time.
Stephanie to Shane: It's all about the game and how you play it.
Shane is by far the most normal and talented of the McMahons!!!
“That’s the big ending, suck it!”
Glad to see Cornette and Last are Nier fans.
29:24 yeah I replayed that 3 times to make sure I heard what I heard.
Jesus i did too. First thing i came to the comments to see
Did you mark the wrong time? I don't get it.
start at 28:20
I want Brian and Corny to do a watch along of this docu series and point out any inaccuracies or comment in real time.
That would turn 6 hours into 9 hours lol
Shane going to aew seems more plausible after " do you think your dad respects you?" And he gives a hard meh
The sad thing is Vince clearly doesn't. Shane could give him the moon and Vince would still like Stephanie better.
I could maybe buy it a few years ago when vince was still running wwe, but now? Why? He wouldn't be sticking it to the old man. It'd just be him and his brother in law going at it. The impression I've gotten is shane and triple h are on good terms?
@@vanyadolly Do you think the insest thing he mentioned is hereditary... ugh
I find it interesting that the most revealing interviews Vince ever gave came w/in a months time of each other ( Feb 01’ Playboy & March 01’ Howard Stern Show) …this was around the time they were just about to purchase WCW and it was clear he was the winner of the “Monday Night Wars” …it’s very telling that he was finally able to sorta open up about himself once he finally “won”
TGBL raising an interesting point on the whole "bastard" thing
Paul analyzing Vince when he was a piece of shit himself lol
Jim Cornette’s review of the Vince documentary has cured my erectile dysfunction:
If I didn't know that was a picture of Vince McMahon, I'd swear it was Humphrey Bogart.
The only 2 that have said the things no one else would say out loud
I have finished all 6 episodes and I tell you what, after everyone else finishes it, to hell with Cody, Shane McMahon would be the biggest Babyface in the business, you feel so bad for the guy
Vince Mcmahon was the ringmaster of his tourning carnival version of neverland ranch featuring superheros and villains and had complete control, sometimes sadistically
This tracks
Never forget that Vince McMahon wanted to be the storyline father of Stephanie's actual child.
thought this was the best episode by far, the Shane/Vince stuff was really interesting and extremely sad. Very relatable thing for many people.
Shane was such a great brat during the attitude era
Mean street posse were hard 😂😂😂
@@TheSpanishAnnounceTablefk’n Pete gas
He was so obnoxious and coked up, alot of the episodes with him on commentary I can't stand to watch cause of how bad and annoying he was.
@@TheSpanishAnnounceTablevery underrated faction lol
When I saw an interview with Linda and Stephanie... Linda tells that SHE had to talk Vince into letting Triple H and Stephanie date.... because Stephanie was afraid to ask her dad about it.
I've also always heard Vince was against it at the time. He's probably just changed his mind now and as a compulsive liar he can't admit that he wasn't always supportive.
The story goes that Vince always liked Triple H and would always tell Stephanie to look for a guy like him. Eventually when they did start dating, he wanted them to stop because he was getting heat from the wrestlers because a wrestler dating the boss’s daughter would obviously cause a lot of heat.
They decided not to follow that advice and Vince eventually relented and the rest is history.
Stephanie discusses it on Howard Stern about Vince making them stop dating.
14:16 relax, Jim. Shane McMahon has always been spoken about very highly by everybody. You were not ahead of the curve by any means on this one.
If only Gorilla Monsoon was still alive to share how he felt when he didn't get the company from Vince Sr
I kinda got the idea from this episode that Vince didn’t love his dad but Shane loved his
They didn't even go into the whole insanity about the Vince gets Steph pregnant storyline. When she said no, Vince was like "how about Shane?"
You guys are really working hard to get this out in a timely fashion! They keep getting shorter, but it's OK.
Shane was given a life of privilege and sadly Vince McMahon telling him to buy him out is like Lion in captivity vs lion in the wild it’s not possible. My heart goes out to Shane I met him at a bar in NYC he had bodyguards and tips very very well.
I believe Vince and Linda haven’t been together in many many years and stay together for political and financial purposes it brings to mind Bill and Hillary
@@GuidoGrasso Bill and Hillary. Donald and Melania. Bill and Melinda.... Lots of rich people stay married for more practical reasons. As long as you don't take any trips with Epstein.
Shane’s idea seemed sound, though, I’m sure he’s done fine outside of WWE. TKO is basically what Shane envisioned ~20 yrs ago.
Vince’s dad gave him a sweetheart deal. Vince frames it differently but his dad was actually easier on him than he was on his kids.
Given?? Didn't you watch the show. He was raised in a trailer. That's not privilege. He build an empire
@@kylehelterbridle319 I said “Shane!!!” Didn’t you watch the show OMG I’m so angry I want to smash my phone against the wall. Be happy you caused this
Somewhere in an alternate universe, Vince got some therapy earlier in his life and is a totally different person who didn't become a creep and has other hobbies/interests outside of running his wrestling company.
alternate universe, Vince was never F'd up during his formative years to begin with.
IMO Vince is Jealous of Shane, he went out of his way not to help him at all, then refused to leave the company to Shane.
He should have loaned him money for UFC but Vince didn’t want to see him succeed.
Shane was a visionary, Vince is a crook.
If Shane got the UFC would he have been buying out WWE circa 2023?
what everyone forgets about the no mercy match between vince and steph. in the lead up to it, steph implies vince pimped her out to other promoters, sponsors and tv execs when she was 17.
Something else related to that build was the pre-taped interview Stephanie did, there were reports back then that people were leaving their seats when that aired in the arena.
Also regarding the match, they had to pay a fine to let it happen because the PPV was in Baltimore and the Maryland State Athletic Commission are against Intergender matches (same reason WCW changed the mixed tag match at Great American Bash 91).
22:45 Damn, Heyman low-key is one of the worst in the business if he has been whispering in Vince's ears to stop his implicating himself. That means he clearly knew Vince was guilty of some nasty shit, hence his silence after the Lesnar allegations.
Dont forget on that mr mchamon dvd 2005 vince had a problem with hhh and Stephanie dating at first and they did stop for a while did Vince said ok he was cool with it and hhh said he asked undertaker for his opinion on it
Hearing these twos voices...
Helps work go alot smoother
I mean seriously, how did Shane and Stephanie turn out relatively... normal??
Linda must be some kind of saint (which we know isn't true either, she was in Trump's cabinet)
What did she do in trump cabinet?
@@nataliescott2261She ran the Small Business Administration.
@@nataliescott2261they made her in charge of the small business administration. 🤦
Oh look some other fool suffering from TDS 🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒
Linda must have been an exceptional parent to offset the sheer weirdness of Vince.
I'd wager that Vince kept Shane under his thumb with no power because he was terrified that Shane would do what Vince did to his Dad even though it doesn't seem Shane is a sociopath like Vince.
Episode 5: HHH makes his move into the McMahon family/wealth
He always knew the right people to associate with to get to the top
It’s all about the game, and how you play it
He knew how to be in the Kliq.
I really wanted to know how Shane felt about all of that. It's like everything he wanted went to Triple H. Even if Shane didn't wanna answer the question, I wished the interviewer had asked him.
@@rajakghosh6602he was the designated driver.
If Triple H is The Game, does that make Stephanie the box he came in?
Those 12 years at the trailer park led to this
Paul Heyman just said “Vince McMahon is a textbook narcissist” in a way that would sell tickets.
You (Jim) defined it summarizing Heyman’s description. I believe Vince had an extremely traumatic upbringing. Here are a list of traits from Harvard’s website:
a grandiose sense of self-importance
a preoccupation with fantasies of success, power, beauty, or perfect love
a belief that they are "special" and can only be understood by other special people
a need for excessive admiration
a sense of entitlement, which may include an unreasonable expectation to be treated favorably or for others to comply with their demands and expectations
behavior that is exploitative and takes advantage of others to achieve their own ends
a lack of empathy or an unwillingness to identify with the needs of others
a tendency to be envious of others or a belief that others are envious of them
arrogance, haughty behaviors, and attitudes.
Sound like anyone we’ve heard of?
I think more of a sociopath, he doesn't always need admiration
The part where Vince referred to Trish as his girlfriend and then corrects himself as on air was kind of wild.
Yeah, and these people are acting like trish is some innocent child who doesn't understand what Vince did. Most likely she was fine with all this stuff because he had an extramarital affair with her.
Trish let Vince tap it