Vince denying that Undertaker's concussion at WrestleMania 30, saying he couldn't remember most of the match was actually because Taker being traumatized at his WrestleMania win streak being ended was peak delusional.
Yeah...I have a hard time believing that a veteran like Calaway with nearly 40 years under his belt would suddenly face trauma at the prospect of losing a match, when he's always shown himself to be the very definition of professional. He got a concussion, Vince. Fuck alllll the way off.
I believe there was a disclaimer at the beginning of the series that said they had over 100 hours of interviews recorded, 90% of it was probably edited out because it was Bret bitching about Goldberg! 🤣🤣🤣
That might actually make it worse, in my opinion. It means he's not completely lost his mind, he really is just pandering to the Young Bucks crowd to fit in. It's like when Randy on South Park pretended to like teen music, he knows it sucks but they'd start calling him another old guy yelling at clouds if he didn't praise them. At least that's how I see it. Dave seems geuinely terrified of not looking 'hip' and 'cool' to younger wrestling fans.
you must have not listened to Corny that much. he will usually preface his taking down a notch of Meltzer with his former friendship and how much he respects his knowledge of pro wrestling. Definitely the largest bank of wrestling knowledge in a mind even though Meltzer has gone off the deep end.
The fact Vince couldn't admit Mark (Undertaker) had a concussion is beyond strange. Maybe Vince's ego is so damn big he can't admit one of his all time favorite wrestlers had an injury.
Or Vince had her do it to keep her clean. People talk, period. Whether it was office, the arenas or or elsewhere, people talk. It may have not leaked to the public, but everyone knew what was going on and did nothing about it, or at very least were unable to do anything about it. It’s all very gross and very weird and no one in that company is clean.
Stephanie is truly her father's daughter. No question about it. Shane is more laidback and cool. It's exactly like Brian Last said. He's someone you could see yourself being friends with and chilling with.
Maven told a story on his yt channel not that long ago. When his mom passed away due to cancer, Vince called him directly to check on him and give him his condolences. Vince does have a heart, it just shrinks smaller every year that goes by
He doesnt get a pass for the weird and criminal stuff he's done. We gave him a pass because it was entertaining until the truth came out. Tom Hanks "moved" to Greece too, leaving his acting resume as his barometer.
Yeah & he set them both up well enough that they will be fine. I dont know about Shane's Wife, but Stephanie's life is almost entirely BECAUSE of Vince. Her Husband, Their Children. All because of Vince. Even his Mom most likely lived to be 100 because HE got her the beat HE could afford. & if you are going to blame Vince for messing up HIS Kids, then Vince is a VICTIM of HIS mom & HER second Husband. Typical trailer park trash
@Cardifftony I would honestly think they have been pretty anonymous. If not, I suspect they'd of moved schools or used different names, perhaps? Idk about Steph's daughters,, but Shane's sons were at funny ages when they came out with Shane at Mania. Eldest would be a teen by now, and the youngest was still a toddler. That being said people have no trouble knowing my face after twenty years 😂
It's sad when you think about it and makes you feel for Shane that his father is so awkward and put off by giving him a hug but has zero problems shitting on someone's head....they really put the "fun" in "dysfunctional" at the McMahon house
Very true. Anything coming out right now is still going to have the stamp of approval from Vince on some level. We are a ways out from honest appraisal's about who he is or for how long he was doing this weird shit.
@@ididthisonpulpous6526something tells me Stephanie will be very protective of her dad's legacy and what his narrative will be after he's gone. Even if they had some sort of falling out recently, she seems like the type to want to uphold appearances for the sake of protecting the business, which in turn means protecting her family name. She may not respect his actions as a man, but she will likely want him to be remembered for his life as visionary in the business. She also probably realizes she'll have to answer uncomfortable questions about him for the rest of her life otherwise.
The reason he showed up late to the interviews was because he wanted to show he was in control. He needs everyone to know he’s in control and has the power. He gets off on it.
I wanted to believe he was saying that CTE didn’t cause Benoit’s actions, but I think I was putting a spin on it simply because I like and admire him so much. It was disappointing
Man I have guys I played ball with in college that deny CTE while clearly starting to suffer from the consequences. I think it is a weird issue of having to say the part of your life you have these memories and identity tied to might also be the thing that kills or deminishes your life.
That's one of the BS parts of the doc. They acted like the women's revolution happened right after the product went PG, when the reality of the matter is that it took almost a decade and people being pissed off. It wasn't triggered back in 2008, it only really became a big thing after the Women's championship match at Mania 31. Even when Paige was champion, the Divas title was still a joke. AJ basically got no attention. And then there's Nikki Bella being one of the last to hold the belt
I don't agree with Bruce's blind loyalty to Vince, but given the story about his wife, I at least understand. If I thought someone was responsible for saving my wife's life, I guess could probably overlook a lot of their BS too.
@d.52555 It's very simple. Bruce knew he would be hired back into WWE. There's a reason why he wouldn't say anything bad towards Vince on his podcast, and while he worked in TNA. Keep in mind that Bruce worked with Vince Sr and kept him in the fold after Vince Jr. took over. It's not an accident that Bruce has tunnel vision and will ignore all the horror stories.
@@cmp797 That's certainly a cynical spin to put on it, but you could say any nice gesture from someone is a manipulation and self serving act. Besides, Bruce had already been let go once, I'm sure he wasn't that in expendable, Vince fired Warrior, let's not forget that. Also, Maven said Vince gave him a personal phone call when his mother was dying of cancer. I'm not sure if Vince was so desperate to keep Maven close.
This review series has been fascinating and in some ways better than an average documentary. I finally have to take issue with one point. The credit for the resurrection of Women's Wrestling, in my opinion, largely belongs to "Dutch" Mantell and Gail Kim. While WWE was dialing back their Women's Division in the late 2000s, Mantel and Kim wanted to develop a relatively more serious Women's Division in TNA. They got the blessing of Dixie Carter and the rest is history, with the Knockouts Division putting on matches that sometimes equalled the men or stole a show! There's no way WWE, or Stephanie or whomever failed to notice that!
Two of the biggest things I loved about tna was the knockouts division and the x division. It was so great to watch women actually wrestling rather then bra and panty matches and all that others divas era garbage.
And not to mention Vince is more than gone and the guy in charge isn’t a horndog and women’s wrestling is still over which shows that it’s never been a problem despite what Jim and Brian says. 15 years ago you couldn’t say that. The Divas matches and the petty, real housewiveesque storylines that came with it was an excuse to piss or grab a beer because it was unwatchable. What TNA was doing putting women in decent storylines put respect on women’s wrestling and that’s a good thing. Well said man!!
Was wondering the same thing when I had him say "mirror" once. It was in that "life sucks" promo. But damn, Vince could cut a promo. He's one of the greatest characters and heels in wrestling history.
I'm slowly starting to think that too... the meeting with AEW kind of further pushed me in that direction. IMHO its pretty clear that, after seeing how she was in this, it wasn't Stephanie.
@@Frostbite08 How is it an insult? If anything, I'd say him blowing the story open would have theoretically opened some doors for him to do other business in wrestling (whether it be with WWE or not). After all, according to Heyman, Vince once told Shane that the only way to get his spot would be to get him out of the way by any means.
I'm surprised they didn't mention that Brian made it in the documentary.He's heard talking about the formation of TKO in episode 6 around the 48 minute mark.
I asked Mr. Last in the Facebook group about this. This was his comment: “Not too happy about the producers using my voice without permission in a documentary that has that boob David Shoemaker as an expert.”
I don't think the women's revolution happened because Vince wanted more women around him. I think it happened because Steph and Paul have three daughters and zero sons. That's why Steph pushed for it when she did.
The women's revolution only happened because the fans revolted and it was trending on Twitter and giving WWE a bad name. It only happened so the fire could be put out.
To answer the question that was pondered around the 32:00 mark. There's a scene in "Wrestling with Shadows" doc where Bret and his small son Blade are interacting with Vince before a show backstage. For that brief moment, Vince was actually very nice to Blade and was showing some human side of himself. He was trying to make Blade laugh. Very rare to see this interaction. It was actually surprising to see a glimpse of that side of Vince
That is a GREAT comment! Man Stewart was maybe channeling Vince, if you look at the timeline that VInce was trying to push the incest angles at the time that Extras came out.
After all of this, I think it's safe to say vince is a weird, broken, and insecure person. He was able to use the Mr. McMahon persona as a shield but once he got old, it came down. Ruthless, brilliant businessman and the reason so many of us love wrestling. Yet it sounds like it came at the cost of being even a decent human being, husband, father, and grandfather. Really sad.
Vince was super rich and he paid for his best friend’s mom to have the best treatment for her cancer diagnosis. It’s noble. I feel anyone that had that money would offer to pay for their best friend’s mother to have the best care. I’m sure he loves his friend that kept all his darkest secrets . One good deed doesn’t erase all the disturbing behavior of Vince
It does explain Bruce’s devotion to Vince a lot though. Anyone who’s been through their spouse being given that diagnosis would know how bad it is, the fact Vince saved his wife’s life I can understand entirely why he’s so loyal now.
33:20 This is something that really grates on me when people try to "both sides" it with Vince. Just being referred to as a "father figure" does not in and of itself make one a good person. In fact, it makes many people evil. Jim Jones was a father figure to many people. Josef Stalin was a father figure to many people. David Koresh was a father figure to many people. All of these wrestlers that think they're defending Vince by saying that...I only think worse of him for hearing that because of how he abused that worship.
@@vdgadef not disputing what he did was awful and he was horrific and awful for doing so as well as his suspected domestic abuse history with Nancy. Just pointing out how CTE debilitating the decision making part of the brain would cause what Benoit ultimately did.
What annoys me about Vince and Trump apologists is that they excuse “I never lose attitude” as “that’s what competitors do”. No, a good competitor admits and learns from their losses to become a better player. Michael Jordan, Tom Brady and many others are great examples of true competitors.
@@david83ryanthat's a running theme that everything he's done outside of wrestling has been a failure. Hell, Shane tried to get him to buy ufc for pennies!
Trump has admitted his loses on many occasions. However, when it comes to the 2020 elections anyone with an unbiased view of things can see that the Democrats got away with cheating. You unhinged TDS victims need to calm down. Same thing with Vince, not wanting to lose isn't an inherently bad thing. It all depends on perspective.
When Shane and Vince are hugging in the gorilla position: you can see Vince lean in and whisper to Shane, and for one split second it looked like Vince was fighting tearing up/ getting emotional. I think that’s why Shane was so moved by his Dad’s praise in that particular match. You can see Vince notice the camera; and immediately go back to classic “No sell” Vince. I think that moment may be the closest thing to seeing Vince McMahon, instead of Mr. McMahon. Jim & Brian are right: it’s all about the Father/ Son dynamic with Vince.
I can absolutely buy that Vince was a father figure to the talent, especially the top guys and gals. They were the kids he always wanted, and he showed them the love and appreciation that he never showed his own. Or, at least, never showed Shane.
And father figure to these guys might very well mean vince reminded them of their own asshole fathers. We hear that term and think of it as a positive, but think about how many have shitty parents?
I cannot recommend enough that people who watch the documentary, watch all these videos as well. It really helped put things in their proper context. Surprised no one is commenting on Brian (I assume from this podcast) making an appearance regarding the creation of TKO.)
To answer Brian about wanting to see a “truer” documentary about Vince: again: Behind the Bastards did a seven-part documentary on him. Covering in detail ALL the gory details. Did it with Sean Baby as a co-host, so the hilarity is still there too.
I think it was a disappointment if you know what's up. For anyone not interested in wrestling (shockingly the majority of the world), it will be surprising to them. Just like Tiger King. For those in the know it wasn't surprising, for the rest of us it was insane.
Vince probably loved doing nice things for his worker bees as it made them indebted to him but also reinforced that he was the top of the food chain and helped him dominate that person.
100% It's also a way for a narcissist like him to be able to guilt trip people. I'm not saying Vince has never done anything kind just out of kindness, but someone as rich, powerful and demented as him could easily pull that off. "Remember that time I paid for your cancer treatment, pal?"
I thought the show was going to bury him and then I remembered halfway through that Raw is moving to Netflix. I'm surprised they didn't sell him it back. Perhaps they thought it would cause them too much negative publicity if the story got out.
I watched it and was disappointed they didn't have anything new. I learned more from the podcast about him, compared to the documentary. They could have been more hard-hitting questions, but it came across like they were sugar coating alot of the questions.
They are still promoting Donald and his family tree along with Linda because that's another ten years to a hundred years of content. One day they will have a season of pewdiepie, ninja, Logan Paul, Mr. beast, and Chris chan all trying to use biographies to be the next president of the US.
12:25 The Vince bump that always stuck with me was on an episode of Raw when Chyna threw him over the top rope in some mini royal rumble, and he wrenched his neck on the bottom rope and smacked the fuck out of his head on the edge of the ring. That had to cause some permanent cerebellum and stem damage.
At least Vince made changes and stood by his decisions. The chair shots and the wellness program are there. He tried to keep Kurt Angle from killing himself with drugs and Angle then went on to spend the bulk of his career in TNA. Compared to any other promoter Vince sounds progressive. Yet we have Tony Khan promising health insurance while Miro and Punk handled their own medical.
There was a rumor that Vince tapped Kevin Dunn to make a quick documentary to respond to the Netflix one but it turned out to not be true. Thats a shame, if it were real it would have been interesting to see what stuff Vince wanted to clear the record on and if he was going to _"speak his truth"_
the sound bit about the statute of limitations is probably chopped up. because NY lifted the SOL and then that case was brought. so he was probably talking about that and then the clip was cut. also, im sure a lot of other stuff about vince was not put in the doc because of the new lawsuits. the producers had to avoid saying anything about Vince.
I haven't gotten to listen to all of this episode yet but in the McMahon episode they are discussing at the 47:58 mark when they are talking about the sale to Endeavor, that sounds a lot like Brian Last. Has anyone heard if that is brought up by Jim and Brian at anytime during the podcast.
Corny couple years ago "Heyman would climb a tree to lie to you vs standing on the ground to tell the truth" Now hes a trustworthy source? Thanks brian!
The last episode should have just been 1 hour of fact-checking all the BS from Vince, Bruce, Hogan throughout the previous five, and then a quick note reminding people that CTE is real and that we know how it's caused.
Vince denying that Undertaker's concussion at WrestleMania 30, saying he couldn't remember most of the match was actually because Taker being traumatized at his WrestleMania win streak being ended was peak delusional.
Yeah...I have a hard time believing that a veteran like Calaway with nearly 40 years under his belt would suddenly face trauma at the prospect of losing a match, when he's always shown himself to be the very definition of professional. He got a concussion, Vince. Fuck alllll the way off.
And Taker, who wanted a younger guy like Bray or Roman to end it, has no problem losing to Brock and still did the job @ravenlit
You just have to look at Takers eyes during that match to know he was gone
@@enjoyitbro IIRC, it was a screwy suplex in the ring, yeah? It was a really hard match to watch after that.
@ravenlit yeah the height of disrespect
Can we all just take a moment and congratulate Bret for sitting through an entire series without mentiong Goldberg one time 👏👏👏
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I believe there was a disclaimer at the beginning of the series that said they had over 100 hours of interviews recorded, 90% of it was probably edited out because it was Bret bitching about Goldberg! 🤣🤣🤣
Eats that corn long style
@@frankwintrow6678 No, about *BILL* Goldberg ☝️😌
Who is Brett?
Travis Heckel appreciation button
Begging for likes? Lol
@@Credo-rq1ncDo likes on TH-cam comments actually do anything?
He can seriously retire after this one. He's defeated the game
@@Credo-rq1ncIt worked. We are qn easily pleased and non-snarky bunch 😛
Travis must be a huge xmen fan
People thought they were getting Dark Side of the Ring, instead Netflix gave them A&E Biography.
Any time you have WWE involved in a project you know you will get a different reality of reality.
@@OofmanRulzIts a work
Trust Bill Simmons, brehs.
Right! As a wrestling fan NOTHING about that series was new. But we all watched it...
@@OofmanRulzthey weren't involved..this was a Netflix production, and done before they signed a deal with wwe for raw.
You are accused of sex crimes what are you thinking right now?
Mr. McMahon: sex.
It was before he was accused but still funny
My jaw dropped. This old fk has to be pumped with a helluva drug cocktail.
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Player got to play...
“Define teenage.” -R. Kelly
This show made me realize Dave Meltzer isn’t a complete moron. As a historian he’s excellent, in terms of modern wrestling he’s a ding Dong.
That might actually make it worse, in my opinion. It means he's not completely lost his mind, he really is just pandering to the Young Bucks crowd to fit in. It's like when Randy on South Park pretended to like teen music, he knows it sucks but they'd start calling him another old guy yelling at clouds if he didn't praise them. At least that's how I see it. Dave seems geuinely terrified of not looking 'hip' and 'cool' to younger wrestling fans.
Aew has numbed him
@@shaunk6925 Dave as Randy is one of the best examples I’ve ever heard omg
he's got to be on Tony Khan's payroll
you must have not listened to Corny that much. he will usually preface his taking down a notch of Meltzer with his former friendship and how much he respects his knowledge of pro wrestling. Definitely the largest bank of wrestling knowledge in a mind even though Meltzer has gone off the deep end.
The fact Vince couldn't admit Mark (Undertaker) had a concussion is beyond strange. Maybe Vince's ego is so damn big he can't admit one of his all time favorite wrestlers had an injury.
100% Stephanie knew what her Dad was up to and tried to kick him out of the company. Once he returned she dropped out to stay clean.
I still think she is the one who sent the anonymous message to the feds
Or Vince had her do it to keep her clean. People talk, period. Whether it was office, the arenas or or elsewhere, people talk. It may have not leaked to the public, but everyone knew what was going on and did nothing about it, or at very least were unable to do anything about it. It’s all very gross and very weird and no one in that company is clean.
She knew. He returns and she leaves. She knew....
Why are you saying this like it’s some big revelation? It’s pretty obvious, always has been
I'd go with a hotter take: I won't be surprised if she's a victim herself.
Vinnie Mac as Prof. X IS PRICELESS!!!! Sentinel Corny is just too good!!
Sentinels have thier own book now!
I want this on a shirt
I was dying laughing when I saw Jim as a sentinel lmao
I laughed so god damned hard when I saw the thumbnail!!!!
Vince would hate to be Professor X. Xavier’s lower half didn’t work.
Stephanie is truly her father's daughter. No question about it.
Shane is more laidback and cool. It's exactly like Brian Last said. He's someone you could see yourself being friends with and chilling with.
I agree wholeheartedly!
And that's the problem. He's too nice to be a ceo
Her whole life literally centres around the business from her father to her husband. At least Shane has some separation from it all.
Maven told a story on his yt channel not that long ago. When his mom passed away due to cancer, Vince called him directly to check on him and give him his condolences. Vince does have a heart, it just shrinks smaller every year that goes by
Every time he dyes his eyebrows
I notice that kindness only happens conditionally, did Bruce Prichard sound like a friend or a loyal stooge for life?
I think like most men, the heart shrinks when the penis grows 😂😂😂
He doesnt get a pass for the weird and criminal stuff he's done. We gave him a pass because it was entertaining until the truth came out. Tom Hanks "moved" to Greece too, leaving his acting resume as his barometer.
@@robertmaldarelli9971…WTF did Hanks do?!?!?!
This artwork is fucking incredible. You could even say it’s…. Uncanny!
X-Men
Gives a different visual to The Beast Brock Lesnar heh heh . Would Kevin Dunn be Toad ? LOL !
I would also accept Astonishing.
Zing!!
@@anthonysaint1023man! You took my clever retort! 😂
Brett hart talking about himself in the third person a dozen times was also hilarious
standard procedure for any pro athlete with an ego...but since I'm a fan of Bret, it didn't bug me.
If your a GOAT, why wouldn't you?
I listened to all 6 segments of the Drive Thru on “Mr. McMahon” and firmly believe I learned more than if I watched the actual series.
100% agree
What? That Vince is a lousy driver? Who cares. This documentary was good.
@@sonicplys64both can be true
I felt bad for Shane and Stephanie. Vince’s actions have obviously deeply affected them both personally and professionally.
Yeah & he set them both up well enough that they will be fine. I dont know about Shane's Wife, but Stephanie's life is almost entirely BECAUSE of Vince. Her Husband, Their Children. All because of Vince. Even his Mom most likely lived to be 100 because HE got her the beat HE could afford. & if you are going to blame Vince for messing up HIS Kids, then Vince is a VICTIM of HIS mom & HER second Husband. Typical trailer park trash
It’s not just Shane and Stephanie it’s his grand children who are in schools that will get hell from other kids
@Cardifftony I would honestly think they have been pretty anonymous. If not, I suspect they'd of moved schools or used different names, perhaps?
Idk about Steph's daughters,, but Shane's sons were at funny ages when they came out with Shane at Mania. Eldest would be a teen by now, and the youngest was still a toddler. That being said people have no trouble knowing my face after twenty years 😂
@@ButWhatIfItIs one of shanes sons looks EXACTLY like vince.
You don't know that @@Cardifftony
It's sad when you think about it and makes you feel for Shane that his father is so awkward and put off by giving him a hug but has zero problems shitting on someone's head....they really put the "fun" in "dysfunctional" at the McMahon house
Vince McMahon is Professor XXX
Also featuring John Laurinaitis as Shagneto.
Great comment, the man needs to lay off the testosterone
John Laurinaitis would be Toad.
😂😂😂😂
If this is a burial, Vince is the only one holding the shovel
5 star comment
10 if it was in the Tokyo Dome.
Very true. Anything coming out right now is still going to have the stamp of approval from Vince on some level. We are a ways out from honest appraisal's about who he is or for how long he was doing this weird shit.
@@ididthisonpulpous6526something tells me Stephanie will be very protective of her dad's legacy and what his narrative will be after he's gone. Even if they had some sort of falling out recently, she seems like the type to want to uphold appearances for the sake of protecting the business, which in turn means protecting her family name. She may not respect his actions as a man, but she will likely want him to be remembered for his life as visionary in the business. She also probably realizes she'll have to answer uncomfortable questions about him for the rest of her life otherwise.
"It was me Austin. It was me all along Austin" - Vince McMahon
Whodathunk that Kevin Owens legit headbutting old ass Vince and cracking him open would lead to an illegal paralegal getting shit on.
Kevin did.
But who threw the pie at him?!?!?!???
If Heyman was off screen for all of Vince's interviews, I would have loved to see the look on his face when Vince popped off with some of his quotes.
"It was the Physical Therapist, Trainer, the Doctor, the Chef"
Sounds like Vince's perverted twist, on Clue.
The reason he showed up late to the interviews was because he wanted to show he was in control. He needs everyone to know he’s in control and has the power. He gets off on it.
Sentinel Cornette: I am here to swerve and dissect.
He's gone from "Master Jim Cornette" to MASTERMOLD Jim Cornette!
@@DefendYoungstown Mister McSinister
That’s not galactics?😅
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@@WhiteCaneV1 prove it
Hearing Stone Cold basically say CTE is horse shit was kind of shocking. I lost some respect there.
I mean both people denying it in the doc likely have significant CTE so maybe there is some denial
I wanted to believe he was saying that CTE didn’t cause Benoit’s actions, but I think I was putting a spin on it simply because I like and admire him so much. It was disappointing
Man I have guys I played ball with in college that deny CTE while clearly starting to suffer from the consequences. I think it is a weird issue of having to say the part of your life you have these memories and identity tied to might also be the thing that kills or deminishes your life.
We never understood how he kept your respect after he was outed as a wife beater. Pretty easy to look up ya know
@@Deans-jm3uf I wouldn't wanna believe it either if I personally knew Mick Foley. Hell, I don't even still. :(
The Ashley story doesn't get talked about enough. The fact they would just call her a liar. Then ends up killing herself is awful.
It's s scapegoat
Ashley was treated very cruelly.Other female wrestlers purposely injured her.
They went PG in 2008 and the women being treated with respect started like 2014/2015
That's one of the BS parts of the doc.
They acted like the women's revolution happened right after the product went PG, when the reality of the matter is that it took almost a decade and people being pissed off.
It wasn't triggered back in 2008, it only really became a big thing after the Women's championship match at Mania 31.
Even when Paige was champion, the Divas title was still a joke. AJ basically got no attention. And then there's Nikki Bella being one of the last to hold the belt
@@pedrolantyer Yeah it was AJ Lee's tweet that started the whole thing along with giving women better opportunities in NXT
I thought it was some real BS that Stephanie claimed wwe started the women’s revolution first when TNA did it first and BETTER years before.
@@d.52555 No one watched TNA and no one cares. All Japan Women and 80s Japanese women did it decades earlier
And they went pg not long after the Chris Benoit murder-suicide.
I don't agree with Bruce's blind loyalty to Vince, but given the story about his wife, I at least understand. If I thought someone was responsible for saving my wife's life, I guess could probably overlook a lot of their BS too.
Just something to keep Bruce close....... I'm not saying that it's not a nice thing to do... I'm saying Vince is a giant manipulator....
It's still blind loyalty. It doesn't matter what Vince did for Bruce personally. He knows what Vince has done and how sick minded he was for decades.
But even then I still don’t quite understand his loyalty since Vince fired him in 2010 which is why he was brought into tna in 2011.
@d.52555 It's very simple. Bruce knew he would be hired back into WWE. There's a reason why he wouldn't say anything bad towards Vince on his podcast, and while he worked in TNA.
Keep in mind that Bruce worked with Vince Sr and kept him in the fold after Vince Jr. took over.
It's not an accident that Bruce has tunnel vision and will ignore all the horror stories.
@@cmp797 That's certainly a cynical spin to put on it, but you could say any nice gesture from someone is a manipulation and self serving act. Besides, Bruce had already been let go once, I'm sure he wasn't that in expendable, Vince fired Warrior, let's not forget that. Also, Maven said Vince gave him a personal phone call when his mother was dying of cancer. I'm not sure if Vince was so desperate to keep Maven close.
This review series has been fascinating and in some ways better than an average documentary. I finally have to take issue with one point. The credit for the resurrection of Women's Wrestling, in my opinion, largely belongs to "Dutch" Mantell and Gail Kim.
While WWE was dialing back their Women's Division in the late 2000s, Mantel and Kim wanted to develop a relatively more serious Women's Division in TNA. They got the blessing of Dixie Carter and the rest is history, with the Knockouts Division putting on matches that sometimes equalled the men or stole a show! There's no way WWE, or Stephanie or whomever failed to notice that!
Two of the biggest things I loved about tna was the knockouts division and the x division. It was so great to watch women actually wrestling rather then bra and panty matches and all that others divas era garbage.
And not to mention Vince is more than gone and the guy in charge isn’t a horndog and women’s wrestling is still over which shows that it’s never been a problem despite what Jim and Brian says.
15 years ago you couldn’t say that. The Divas matches and the petty, real housewiveesque storylines that came with it was an excuse to piss or grab a beer because it was unwatchable. What TNA was doing putting women in decent storylines put respect on women’s wrestling and that’s a good thing.
Well said man!!
The way Vince says mirror is the only indicator in his speech that he’s from the south… Vince is one complicated strange dude
It’s not just me. The way he says mirror doesn’t fit with the rest of his speech pattern
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Was wondering the same thing when I had him say "mirror" once. It was in that "life sucks" promo. But damn, Vince could cut a promo. He's one of the greatest characters and heels in wrestling history.
Mirra
Vince McMahon: “There were no storylines involving rape” cut to Vince in ring “Come on out here, you RAPIST!”
Vin Man thinking about sex is one thing, saying it outloud was RIDICULOUS considering.
That was extremely bizarre
He just wanted you to walk away from it knowing Vince still fucks. lol
Considering he’s almost 80. People approaching 80 usually contemplate their impending mortality. Sex? WTF?
Why? People like him rarely face justice. Of course he thought he could taunt us all like that.
@@ButWhatIfItIs I didn’t think of it that way but that’s a very good point
Shane= Linda
Stephanie= Vince
The conspiracy theorist in me still believes that Shane leaked the story to the press in the first place
I'm slowly starting to think that too... the meeting with AEW kind of further pushed me in that direction. IMHO its pretty clear that, after seeing how she was in this, it wasn't Stephanie.
I was thinking Triple H was told to by Stephanie.... I've always gotten "evil leader" vibes from her
That's an insult to Shane. He would never stoop to working for P.A.B. Trump like his mom did.
@@Frostbite08 How is it an insult? If anything, I'd say him blowing the story open would have theoretically opened some doors for him to do other business in wrestling (whether it be with WWE or not). After all, according to Heyman, Vince once told Shane that the only way to get his spot would be to get him out of the way by any means.
@@Madmetalmaniac42069Not that part. The Shane=Linda is an insult to Shane. He didn't work for Mango Mussolini. Linda did.
I'm surprised they didn't mention that Brian made it in the documentary.He's heard talking about the formation of TKO in episode 6 around the 48 minute mark.
@beachbumintraining1381 aye, I was waiting for that one too. Maybe Brian missed it
i think they have jim's voice in there too
Yeah Jim is on commentary during one of the Attitude Era segments
I definitely heard Jim’s voice say “its insane” on one of the last episodes.
I asked Mr. Last in the Facebook group about this. This was his comment:
“Not too happy about the producers using my voice without permission in a documentary that has that boob David Shoemaker as an expert.”
I don't think the women's revolution happened because Vince wanted more women around him. I think it happened because Steph and Paul have three daughters and zero sons. That's why Steph pushed for it when she did.
The women's revolution only happened because the fans revolted and it was trending on Twitter and giving WWE a bad name. It only happened so the fire could be put out.
The women's revolution killed WWE, it didn't start revitalizing until they stopped overemphasizing mid wrestling.
To answer the question that was pondered around the 32:00 mark. There's a scene in "Wrestling with Shadows" doc where Bret and his small son Blade are interacting with Vince before a show backstage. For that brief moment, Vince was actually very nice to Blade and was showing some human side of himself. He was trying to make Blade laugh. Very rare to see this interaction. It was actually surprising to see a glimpse of that side of Vince
Jeffrey Epstein and Trump front row WrestleMania 7 is just so weird
What's even funnier is the Mania where Ventura went into the HOF and went to speak to Trump in the front row and told him to run for president
@@johnstilos1890 Everyone wanted Trump to run when he was a democrat, but once he switched to Republican he suddenly became Hitler.
What, epstein?!?
I wish the Dark Side guys had a Netflix budget to make a series like this.
Please no
@@vdgadef Why not?
@@johnronane1504 because they don't tell full stories, completely lie or change the narrative, use David Shitshispants as a researcher etc
Vince McMahon with mind powers would be like Patrick Stewart in Extras "I've seen everything"
"And then her clothes fall off"
That is a GREAT comment! Man Stewart was maybe channeling Vince, if you look at the timeline that VInce was trying to push the incest angles at the time that Extras came out.
And I get on my bike and I ride off. On the grass
After all of this, I think it's safe to say vince is a weird, broken, and insecure person. He was able to use the Mr. McMahon persona as a shield but once he got old, it came down. Ruthless, brilliant businessman and the reason so many of us love wrestling. Yet it sounds like it came at the cost of being even a decent human being, husband, father, and grandfather. Really sad.
Vince was super rich and he paid for his best friend’s mom to have the best treatment for her cancer diagnosis. It’s noble. I feel anyone that had that money would offer to pay for their best friend’s mother to have the best care. I’m sure he loves his friend that kept all his darkest secrets . One good deed doesn’t erase all the disturbing behavior of Vince
Terry Funk knew senior and junior. While Terry can't vouch for any of the abuse stories, he has said junior can and does show kindness and generosity.
“A good act does not wash out the bad. Nor a bad the good.”
Stannis Baratheon, Game Of Thrones
It does explain Bruce’s devotion to Vince a lot though. Anyone who’s been through their spouse being given that diagnosis would know how bad it is, the fact Vince saved his wife’s life I can understand entirely why he’s so loyal now.
What I thought was funny was Bruce prichard dressed in this one like a seasoned pornographer, it was like Rob Halford became a business man
He looked like Cam from Modern Family
@@TheLedonne3 hahaha that's hilarious
He was dressed like The Colonel from Boogie Nights
@@SquealPigSqueal That's hilarious!
I want all the uncut Vince interview footage to be released.
That's the real documentary
Are you sure about that? It's Vince after all. Might not be able to unsee it lol
It probably wouldn't paint the picture they want.
33:20 This is something that really grates on me when people try to "both sides" it with Vince. Just being referred to as a "father figure" does not in and of itself make one a good person. In fact, it makes many people evil. Jim Jones was a father figure to many people. Josef Stalin was a father figure to many people. David Koresh was a father figure to many people. All of these wrestlers that think they're defending Vince by saying that...I only think worse of him for hearing that because of how he abused that worship.
Brian Last's cameo as "reporter" at 17:50 in this episode was the only surprising thing in all 6 episodes.
That isn't the right time code, that is how much time is left! But I noticed that just now and came to see if anyone else did.
i rlly miss Jim Cornette cutting promos and being part of the wrestling industry
I think when Austin said “I’m not a CTE guy” he was saying “I don’t believe CTE played a part in Chris killing Nancy & David”
I took it as he didn't think it was a real issue. Clearly watching the matches dudes brain was jello
"I'm not a CTE guy... Just don't believe in it."
His exact comment lol pretty cut and dry.
If you look at the footage, Austin looks off camera to say that what he said came off wrong. Let me try it again.
and Jim and Brian still took it out of context 🦻🤨
I'd hope so, otherwise he'd be an ignorant idiot.
The dalmatian part killed me 😂
I swear, I hope I don’t hear of Shane being up to no good outside his marriage. His family seems nice, from the little we see.
Didnt watch the documentary. But I did watch all these reviews
I’ll watch ep 5 & 6…
You’re not missing out on much
And we're so proud of you
@@sheldonarmstrong9296 those were the best ones
If you are 35 or older and have watched since atleast 90' you knew all the info
I thought the plane ride from hell was going to be brought up at some point.
Did any one else hear Brian Last's voiceover in Episode Six?
Astonished they didn't mention it in the review.
I didn't hear it... I did hear Jim's voice on Raw Commentary
@@robnix4146it was only like 2 words. But you could tell it was Brian
@@robnix4146he mentions the TKO merger. Blink and you’ll miss it
Brain damage absolutely was a major factor in what Benoit did, that’s absolutely glaring.
He was evil regardless of the status of his brain.
@@vdgadef not disputing what he did was awful and he was horrific and awful for doing so as well as his suspected domestic abuse history with Nancy. Just pointing out how CTE debilitating the decision making part of the brain would cause what Benoit ultimately did.
@@vdgadefnot by the word of 99% of people around him including Nancy’s sister who has said glowing shit about the man. So that’s a lie.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 You are aware that domestic abusers are experts at hiding it from people? He was an abusing piece of shit
What annoys me about Vince and Trump apologists is that they excuse “I never lose attitude” as “that’s what competitors do”. No, a good competitor admits and learns from their losses to become a better player. Michael Jordan, Tom Brady and many others are great examples of true competitors.
Exactly...he lost more than he won (XFL, WWF New York, WBF, IcoPro, etc) it's just his one win has been a major win.
@@david83ryanthat's a running theme that everything he's done outside of wrestling has been a failure. Hell, Shane tried to get him to buy ufc for pennies!
You learn more from defeat than successes and you take successes with humble comfort within if you really wanna grow
Trump has admitted his loses on many occasions. However, when it comes to the 2020 elections anyone with an unbiased view of things can see that the Democrats got away with cheating. You unhinged TDS victims need to calm down. Same thing with Vince, not wanting to lose isn't an inherently bad thing. It all depends on perspective.
Wow Travis one of the best artworks I’ve ever seen!
the purple lips killed me
Hell yeah. It's outstanding.
Brian: "Vince talks like a DC villain."
Jim: "Yeah, like Professor X!"
Jim isn't much of a thinker with that one.
VKM was behaving like Dick Dastardly but sounded like Mutley 🤭
When Shane and Vince are hugging in the gorilla position: you can see Vince lean in and whisper to Shane, and for one split second it looked like Vince was fighting tearing up/ getting emotional.
I think that’s why Shane was so moved by his Dad’s praise in that particular match. You can see Vince notice the camera; and immediately go back to classic “No sell” Vince.
I think that moment may be the closest thing to seeing Vince McMahon, instead of Mr. McMahon.
Jim & Brian are right: it’s all about the Father/ Son dynamic with Vince.
43:45 I’m sure even serial killers hold the door open for people sometimes 😂
To drop their guard.
Bret comes out of this looking the best, just like the WCW docuseries.
To me, my McMen!
seX-Men. 😂
BURST out laughing 😂😂😂😂
I can absolutely buy that Vince was a father figure to the talent, especially the top guys and gals. They were the kids he always wanted, and he showed them the love and appreciation that he never showed his own. Or, at least, never showed Shane.
And father figure to these guys might very well mean vince reminded them of their own asshole fathers. We hear that term and think of it as a positive, but think about how many have shitty parents?
They missed a lot of people. To interview and ask questions. Like The King, Ric Flair, and Kane.
I cannot recommend enough that people who watch the documentary, watch all these videos as well. It really helped put things in their proper context. Surprised no one is commenting on Brian (I assume from this podcast) making an appearance regarding the creation of TKO.)
This would be an insane American Crime Story
Trump's rally at MSG look and sounded like Monday Night Raw
Vince was late for the interviews because he won't leave the dungeon until has done a number 2
X-Men: Days of Local Medical Facility
That comparison Brian had to this being like the last season of GOT was spot on LOL 😆
I think Stephanie and HHH TIPPED OFF THE BOARD ABOUT VINCE
May have been Nick Khan
This is single-handedly the BEST title image in all the years of Corny videos.
"IT WAS ME, LOGAN! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!" -Professor Xavier telling Wolverine that he was behind the Weapon X Program
☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
🤣
To answer Brian about wanting to see a “truer” documentary about Vince: again: Behind the Bastards did a seven-part documentary on him. Covering in detail ALL the gory details. Did it with Sean Baby as a co-host, so the hilarity is still there too.
I will check that out, thank you very much.
@@shenanitims4006 is that pre 2024 allegations or post 2024 allegations?
Finished it this afternoon, it was basically just a documentary for non wrestling fans. Pretty big disappointment.
Yeah, milk toast to the max. To prime non-wrestling fans for the WWE Netflix era.
WWE is for casual fans. This series has done an awesome job to attract new audience who don't know anything about wrestling.
I think it was a disappointment if you know what's up. For anyone not interested in wrestling (shockingly the majority of the world), it will be surprising to them. Just like Tiger King. For those in the know it wasn't surprising, for the rest of us it was insane.
Not really tho I went in expecting a puff piece
yep,a commercial for Raw on Netflix
Vince probably loved doing nice things for his worker bees as it made them indebted to him but also reinforced that he was the top of the food chain and helped him dominate that person.
100%
It's also a way for a narcissist like him to be able to guilt trip people. I'm not saying Vince has never done anything kind just out of kindness, but someone as rich, powerful and demented as him could easily pull that off.
"Remember that time I paid for your cancer treatment, pal?"
I can listen to Cornett and Bryan all day! These 2 are a gift to wrestling fans. Especially being born in the early 80s🫡
People: Nice artwork
Me: IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!!!
Do they sell prints?
Gay
God you people are dorks
You sound like Mr. Glass...
@@rebekah7635They don't, no.
OMG… VKM is Prof. X and Jim is the Sentinel?! 😂🤣😂
I thought the show was going to bury him and then I remembered halfway through that Raw is moving to Netflix. I'm surprised they didn't sell him it back. Perhaps they thought it would cause them too much negative publicity if the story got out.
I watched it and was disappointed they didn't have anything new. I learned more from the podcast about him, compared to the documentary. They could have been more hard-hitting questions, but it came across like they were sugar coating alot of the questions.
They are still promoting Donald and his family tree along with Linda because that's another ten years to a hundred years of content. One day they will have a season of pewdiepie, ninja, Logan Paul, Mr. beast, and Chris chan all trying to use biographies to be the next president of the US.
Lmao now I need to see Corny reacting to Chris chan's history.
Jim does a good impression of neutral Vince
12:25 The Vince bump that always stuck with me was on an episode of Raw when Chyna threw him over the top rope in some mini royal rumble, and he wrenched his neck on the bottom rope and smacked the fuck out of his head on the edge of the ring. That had to cause some permanent cerebellum and stem damage.
I remember that. It was a brutal spot.
I hope these two are having fun dealing with the fact that Trump is once again their President. I love it lol!
At least Vince made changes and stood by his decisions. The chair shots and the wellness program are there. He tried to keep Kurt Angle from killing himself with drugs and Angle then went on to spend the bulk of his career in TNA. Compared to any other promoter Vince sounds progressive. Yet we have Tony Khan promising health insurance while Miro and Punk handled their own medical.
There was a rumor that Vince tapped Kevin Dunn to make a quick documentary to respond to the Netflix one but it turned out to not be true.
Thats a shame, if it were real it would have been interesting to see what stuff Vince wanted to clear the record on and if he was going to _"speak his truth"_
This might be Travis's magnum opus. 😂
the sound bit about the statute of limitations is probably chopped up. because NY lifted the SOL and then that case was brought. so he was probably talking about that and then the clip was cut. also, im sure a lot of other stuff about vince was not put in the doc because of the new lawsuits. the producers had to avoid saying anything about Vince.
My question is where does the whole "PAL" thing come into play?
It's good shit, pal!
Medical Facility pal
It's fuel pal
Pronouns, pal 😂
Sports entertainment, pal!
I thought it was funny that while Stone Cold was playing down CTE, they showed the clip of Owen Hart dropping on his head and breaking his neck.
Ultimately, Netflix sunk time and money into a doc on a company they now have a major deal with.
So it was always going to end up watered down.
I haven't gotten to listen to all of this episode yet but in the McMahon episode they are discussing at the 47:58 mark when they are talking about the sale to Endeavor, that sounds a lot like Brian Last. Has anyone heard if that is brought up by Jim and Brian at anytime during the podcast.
Travis needs a raise
Netflix didn't bury Vince McMahan, Vince McMahan buried Vince McMahan.
Jim Cornette is so entertaining.
TGBL didn't mention that he was in this, as was Corny - albeit briefly, you can hear both of them at one point in this episode
Corny couple years ago "Heyman would climb a tree to lie to you vs standing on the ground to tell the truth" Now hes a trustworthy source? Thanks brian!
Vince describing how his brain works sounds like ADHD
The last episode should have just been 1 hour of fact-checking all the BS from Vince, Bruce, Hogan throughout the previous five, and then a quick note reminding people that CTE is real and that we know how it's caused.
I'm kind of sad this analysis is over. TY. 👑👑