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I plan to check out the relevant video ASAP. That’s although in response to the test where only one wheel was on the ground, the test driver never managed to get the crossover SUV unstuck. Perhaps the problem can be resolved, in the real world, with a good set of snow tires as much as I: - dunno how soon if ever, I will drive such an SUV in the winter - find it strange the SUV is manufactured only in the extreme south of Italy given the only sales of that SUV to be overseas until further notice
7:00 Aren't you supposed to disconnect the positive connection to the battery to reset the computer???? You still have juice if you only disconnect the negative. Gotta down vote this one.
All it needs is an Italian tuneup! Cuz its Italian. This all started with mr Iacocca willingly bending over with the Chrysler TC by Maserati 😇. Too many hands on too much stuff. I guess they didnt learn nothing from their module issues from the 90s.
Cars these days are basically computers with motors and wheels. So, it all depends on how well the software is designed. It looks like Dodge went with the cheapest programmers they could find.
I didn't know what you meant until I got to the 5:30 minute mark lol.... imagine buying this brand new car showing off to your friends and this happens with all the lights coming on ha ha..... this is why nobody shouldn't own a vehicle that is owned by fiat that's owned buy another company and that's owned by the French government... nobody can't blame one company
These newer cars have almost every system integrated with each other which means that if one fails it will shut off another to prevent damage but sometimes they go too far. When I worked at Toyota some lady came in because her check engine light came on and her 4wd shut off.. Turns out she left the gas cap open 😂
...yep, my 2020 Ford went into a systems panic exactly like this a few months ago...the culprit?...one broken wire on the left front speed/ABS sensor...lane assist failure, ABS, traction control etc...etc...all lit up because one sensor lost signal...even the headlight system went down when ONE bulb goes out...awesome when you're driving at night and have to use the high beams to get home....turns out when it did it again six months later (summer not using the low beams at all as DRL's are low power to the high beam bulbs), turns out whoever manufactures the H11 plugs for Ford and a number of other makes is faulty...
Yeah it's stupid i have a 2010 corolla and its abs and traction control shut off for any engine light, and if the gas cap is a crack open or has a bad seal its an engine light.
When "Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?" Is a reasonable option to repairing your vehicle, you have too many computers in your vehicle.
That’s hillarious, the fact that not only did every light come on but it actually disengaged 4wd and left you stuck 😂🤦♂️ I wish I could say I’m surprised
Well, that also happened to a Ford Bronco owner -- while he was on the trail: No 4WD and had to limp home in 2WD. However, Tommy being on a concrete pad @ home (well, on the ranch) was not quite "being stuck." Unless he's a Mall/Curb-Crawler only, then yeah, he'd be in BIG trouble. ;-) -- BR
@@billredding2000 it can likely be chalked up to pre production/ FMY but people buy crossovers because they think they can go anywhere. So I could see somebody taking this on a slightly to tough dirt road and getting stuck.
@@ThomasVeilleux That used to be true, but newer powertrain ECUs store faults in nonvolitile (permanent) memory. Any active faults will only clear once the demature requirements are met, which is what Tommy was noting once he started driving.
i think you got a couple things wrong: 1. it's Renault that's owned by the french government, 2. this is a rebadged Alfa Romeo Tonale so basically it's fiat that runs the whole shebang..... so it's a steaming pile of crap
I worked as an advisor/writer at a chrysler dealer recently, I had so many 9spd vehicles come threw with electrical bugs, aux battery failures, and shifting issues. We've only been making cars now for 125ish yrs..... when we have 300-400yrs of making them they may get some of the bugs worked out 😂
@@platanomikeyklk1455 I think Chrysler is really cornered the American market for horrible cars. I see the ZF transmissions in all sorts of cars and trucks. I would assume all ZF transmissions aren’t the same and tuning, cooling and specing have a lot to do with the quality.
If they were aware that this is an issue in these pre-production vehicles, why would they send you one to test? Why not do the repair first? This just makes them look terrible.
Possibly because the problems have been surfacing with the pre-production vehicles already out in the field. The cars are sent out to reviewers, issues start happening, and the company is told about those issues. Doubtful the company knew about problems first, and then sent the vehicles out.
@@anthonyc1883 i hope you’re right about that. I really don’t have a problem with Dodge and I really would like to see them do well but when you see stuff like this, I just shake my head and wonder.
You make a fair point and we don't have a clear answer for that. In the interest of fairness though (and hopefully in pursuit of running a more informative test for folks buying the production Hornet), we will run this again with the update to see whether that does actually fix the issue. We'll get that published as soon as we can get the Hornet back to test again!
Nice to know that if you were to ever find yourself in a situation in the snow or ice with no traction, your car will entirely break down and forget how to car. Beautiful.
@@ion123456 Stop driving on ice with regular tires full stop. No matter if its awd, fwd or rwd you need winter tires on ice to stop the car in emergency braking situation. Just because you can accelerate somewhat on awd with normal all season tires on ice does not make it safe or recommended ever.
Even if it really turns out to just be a software error, it goes to show why you never buy a vehicle in its first year of production. Especially a Chrysler product.
Thanks for watching! This issue may just affect the *pre*-production cars (which are the ones we normally get on media drives before full-scale production starts). The cars actually shipping out to consumers should have the necessary reflash so this won't happen, but we obviously wanted to be open and transparent about our experience, and this may prove a useful reference point if buyers do in fact have a similar problem. We're working to get the Hornet back with that software update as quickly as possible to test it again and see whether that fixed the issue, and folks can go ahead and buy the car with confidence. More on that soon!
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have an OBD2 reader on hand, so you could at least hook that up and read off the Check Engine code to see what's going on.
I've had a dodge/Fiat EV and a normal OBD2 reader will not communicate with their systems, and using the wrong one can actually damage the computer by plugging it in. There are some you can download that may work but if not then you are stuck taking it to a dealer to read codes or you need Fiat's multi thousand dollar reader.
On modern Dodge products you cannot read read/erase codes with a regular OBD2 reader. It requires a security bypass. They do this because a few years ago it was discovered that their vehicles could be hacked an remotely controlled.
FCA units come with a "Security Gateway Module" so, only a dealer can acces to the diagnostic network. The dealer or a guy like us in México that we have magic solutions
End of video he quoted the Dodge rep who said "We are aware of this issue with our preproduction vehicles and will fix it with a flash update to the software (ECU)" so no recall.
@@jvc85 but knowing the history of modern dodge I would say it can be quite possible that the issue comes back in lost production. I mean I worked for Toyota corporate and we would benchmark vehicles by looking at other brands. And plenty of preproduction issues that were “fixed” In many brands ended up going to production anyway. Just not as severe.
@@fluffysharkdatazz9460 Well yes indeed, its not the first time American car makers ignore serious flaws (This has happened to other makers around the world too) that end up in serious lawsuits and recalls. But I would think they will fix this issue when they actually comment about it, if it will fix it 100% is debatable and easiest to check with another test. But for this issue to come back after being updated would say more about the techs at Dodge than anything.
Seems like some deaths waiting to happen. What an awful unsafe system. In the Canadian winter on a cold isolated long road people die from being stuck. This is literally untenable.
You might be surprised to hear Alfa has come a long way with reliability. This test result is sad to see but let's see how they handle it and if it solves the problem.
The really sad fact is that these units that go to press are also sent to another company that makes sure they are gone over with a fine-tooth comb to ensure they are as good as the manufacturer can make them, since these are obviously high visibility vehicles for the company. And they STILL fell apart, lol!
Yes, it just goes to show that intelligence is not additive. It could have been worst, a 5 loser car group with Nissan and Renault added instead of just 3.
It probably assumed there was snow on the ground so it shut itself down as Italian cars are known to stop working when it gets a little cool out. Good job Dodge…
They're also know to fail when the sun is out, or it's a little rainy, if you put air in the tires, or you try driving one all the way to the grocery store and back.
This isn’t actually a smart test to do. It’s the equivalent of oversizing your wheels, spinning the wheels while driving down the road causes transfer case issues because the computer thinks the car is going faster than it is - larger wheels you’re taking longer to achieve more revolutions. (So this in turn causes issues with transfer case and differential). Obviously this is minimal because the wheels are moving at a slow speed and are controlled and dyno testing for upgraded cars will use “rollers” and controlled so the car doesn’t even move. While I don’t think all the lights should’ve gone on necessarily it’s just an anecdotal example of what’s happening - many cars don’t like for this to occur.
@@ryanc2927la-bla-bla. All makes can handle it easily except dodge. Now try to fix all that warnings. In my case, in similar situation, I changed icu and half of the car. And nobody really knew the proper way to fix this car. And I tried dozen dealerships. So it sounds so familiar to me.
3 wheel slip test you did is awesome for showing "True" AWD performance in colder climate. Hopefully it's only software and not damage like when an AWD vehicle is towed behind a tow truck.
@@Deke1 Are you kidding?! This is nothing new from Dodge. I worked for Dodge transferring cars between dealers and the brand new vehicles I was driving from state to state would frequently have some electrical issues from minor to very major. I would take one for free from them!
This tends to happen with newer vehicles. They really hate doing things they don’t like. I did a single donut in a 2020 Civic Si and the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. I continued driving because I needed to get home and the lights shut off 10 mins later lol.
Seems about right. I recently traded my ‘18 Jeep Wrangler for a ‘23 Ford Ranger. I loved my Jeep but it was one thing after another. Front brake rotors rusted at 5K miles, a rear axle seal, a clutch sensor, the clutch recall (they’re apparently coming apart), frame welds rusting, a strange short that would occasionally cause a loud “pop” through the sound system that would reset the radio, and finally the dreaded galvanic corrosion. I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it.
I've driven nothing but Jeep GCs since about 1996 (or 1997? -- I've had 5 of them) and the worst thing I ever had was a transfer case issue on my 2002 model (actually that was my fault as I apparently mis-performed or forgot to do the electronic drive disengagement function before towing it behind my RV for 400 miles --yikes. But I find them to be dead reliable?
@@Mandolin1944 I’m hoping I got a fluke! My ‘98 Wrangler SE (4cyl/5speed/soft top) was an outstanding little vehicle & I made the mistake of selling it to one of my buddies in ‘09 or so. He still has it & loves it (& let’s me know about it every chance he gets)!
Dang that’s crazy, we have a ‘19 wrangler and it’s been nothing but great, only thing we get is that loud pop from the speakers every now and then but mechanically it’s been flawless. 70k ish miles
I loved my Wrangler. And hated it. Electrical issues. Bad welds (leaks). Poorly assembled transmission! Issues from month 1 through year 7. Why do I miss it?
"I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it" Those KBB top-10 resale threads every year are really fun because the top ~5 is usually 2-3 body-on-frame Toyota's and the Jeep Wrangler. Many cabins here in Colorado have a Jeep and a 4Runner parked out front. The Jeep for having fun, the 4Runner because you need at least one capable reliable vehicle.
As a test engineer I’m seriously baffled how this was missed in basic testing. These slip testers are bog standard and should be apart of initial development testing. Good lord.
1. the bus never went to sleep when you turned the car off. you have to wait at least 5 minutes for the computers to shut down completely 2. that little plug on the negative battery terminal needs to be unplugged BEFORE removing or you’ll get a check engine light because the BCM will not be able to sense it and you’ll have to reset the ecm with mopars scan tool.
As a former owner of a '74 dodge dart, i can tell you dodge has a long standing tradition of 'dodgey' electronics. Coupled with Alfa's rep for the same, what could possibly go wrong?
@M To be fair, there was nothing worse for a car in the 60s-80s to be than an American-built car. Source: 57 horsepower 6.7 liter v8 engines with 7mpg to a full size sedan with a compact interior.
We're working to get the Hornet back with the necessary reflash as soon as possible so we can show you guys whether that did fix the issue. Stay tuned!
@@Trussme96 LOL Ask someone who knows what they are talking about. LOL Gucci, Ferrari, Moto Guzzi and Ducati just to name a few brands that you know nothing about.
James May?? Isn't he that British car guy that live s in England. Land of bad food, bad teeth and horrendous cars? Land where where Brit s are slowly being devoured by immigration. The place with an Indian prime minister?? Doesn't Jame May know that Italians were pioneers in electricity? Volt comes from Mr. Volta. Batteries were invented in italy. Radio was pioneered in i taly.
I'm glad that you provided the retest video using competitors, showing that they had the same fault. It's not just the Dodge Hornet. All of the commenters below need to watch the retest video.
Hey Tommy, for future slip tests, could you draw an arrow (in chalk) somewhere on the tire so we can easily see how many full tire rotations are needed before the vehicle moves?
I agree with you here. The Dodge haters always love to jump in and talk trash. I've owned 4 Chargers. All of them excellent. No issues at all. My current 2020 SPWB is awesome as well. But when Fiat got it's mits on this company things were bound to go to shit. But look at Ford and Chevy now too. Both are struggling with quality control and unreliable trucks and SUVs. Didn't Ford stop production on the Lightning again. Chevy's at the bottom of the list in reliability on consumer report.
@@0HOON0 I have a 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk I bought it used about 3 years ago - think there was just one other owner, all I have had to do was change the battery and the oil and I just hit 80K on the odometer, so far best car I have had, my previous cars were GMC Yukon (older one) and a Hummer H3, loved the hummer but engine was the smaller one and had to replace the tranny and radiator on it and I only went wheeling with it once at Hollister so nothing major, then a few years later started to make other noises from the front axel and at that time I did not have the resources to keep throwing money at it so I traded it for the jeep. Jeep has been awesome so far (knocks on wood)🙂
Yep, are they available to buy right now? I’m driving to my Dodge vehicle as I type this hoping I can trade in my 21 Toyota Venza! I haven’t felt this enthused about a car since I purchased a 2005 Chrysler 300C. With that car, I was on a first name basis with the Service Manager at the dealership! I want that feeling back. My Venza doesn’t have the beautiful display of colorful warning lights like this Dodge and it never needs servicing. I need this Hornet. It should do very well in a Minnesota winter. Go Dodge, way to keep up the mystique of “crap on wheels”.
@@0HOON0 I have a 2019 and it has some quirks (thanks ZF-9 transmission), but with 80K miles - it’s been very reliable. GIve Jeep 3-4 years to figure a new model and they get to at least average reliability :)
It succeeded! Any Stellantis product is designed to have all the lights illuminated. Warning lights may be the only thing that function all of the time.
Lucky you live in the mountains ,I recommend finding a nice high cliff(aprox.1000 feet) and push that P.O.S. off of said cliff because in the long run that will save you money.
Great test. I appreciate that you went through the typical process of resetting the system short of using a scan tool, which I wouldn’t consider a typical owner to have. Interested in the follow up.
Your Defender threw a check engine at 100 miles and couldn't be fixed and now the new Fiat500X/Alfa badge engineered Dodge throws every light ? Awesome coming from across the pond !
@@cherrydrivereviews8930 Honestly good for you. Unreliable cars are such a pain and awful to deal with. But we will never consider anything from Europe again. Other brands there share poor build reputations.
@@baronvonjo1929 my father has the 2012, Volvo XC60 that I told him to buy back in 2012 when I was 12 years old. I don’t know why but I always love Volvo since I was a little kid and he decided to go for it and we got the five cylinder diesel engine with 163 hp. A few weeks ago my dad broke the clutch after 132,000 km because he used to pull a van with horses and I guess it was too strong for the car because it wasn’t all wheel drive. It is front wheel drive, but anyways we looked at new cars, new volvos etc… and they are absolutely trash. They have four cylinders they’re not reliable they’re all plastic and the repair at Volvo wasn’t going to be cheap but just to say that this car is 11 years old. It has been with us since 2012 and it hasn’t let us down once it hasn’t broken down it hasn’t had any reliability issues, and it’s one of the most reliable, strong and best sounding five cylinders out there. Just to say that European cars are not unreliable just newer cars are like new volvos (which are chinese owned by geely) etc… but older European cars are just gold. They last like a beast and I’ve seen people with the same car and they have done more than 500,000 km.
I was recently sitting in a Jeep Wagoneer with the extra display in front of the passenger. Imagine the possibilities... They could double the warning lights for Stellantis vehicles 😁
@@RossMKF1 Facts. I know a guy with a 2018 Compass, 140k miles, replaced TWO throttle body assemblies last year alone (both requiring a tow when they failed), and since purchasing new he's had to replace seven factory radios. Total cost: over $4,000 for two throttle bodies plus install and dealer calibration, I've never cared to ask about the radios since he probably blows them out from cranking them up far beyond the point of distortion. I would consider that to be Operator Abuse, not necessarily crappy factory radios. (Although it IS Dodge, and they've had some really wimpy radios over the years, so...🤷♂) This same guy scoffed at my '99 Cherokee, 170k miles, the only repairs I've done that weren't wear-and-tear was a power steering pump, headlight switch, and signal flasher module. None of those failures required a tow or disabled the vehicle. Total cost: an acceptable $500. My vehicle is appreciating in value while his depreciates. 🤣
Crap! I just signed a 3 year lease for this. Seems like a great car. Set fun to drive. I fell in love with it on the road test. It’s such a cool-looking car.
A US brand with large V8 vehicles as the only positive goes French/Italian - the future is not bright. Who knew a rebadged Alfa could have electronic/quality problems...
Reminder: If you are stuck in snow your first thing to do is turn OFF traction control. It prevents wheels that should rotate from rotating. This means you aren't wearing through the snow to get to the surface. A lot of people seem to think traction control is a panacea for any traction issues. It is NOT. Traction control works for when you suddenly hit a ice patch/start aquaplaning or whatever as you are driving normally. But once stuck in snow, it just turns all of the wheels off since they are all spinning (if none has traction with the road). Slowly use the accelerator to get the wheels turning with traction control OFF. Eventually some of your wheels will get traction and you will jump out of the stuck position you were in. Don't go nuts with the accelerator, just keep those tires turning till they get thru the snow, and you'll know when they do since the car will start to move. Turn traction control back on once you are moving. I know this doesn't take away from the testing you were doing where you should have had one tire with traction. But I've just seen a lot of stuck cars where I now live that gets little snow. I grew up with lots of snow :)
Great informative video very appreciated. I have to say Whoa , this is remarkable, what’s scary is the fact that now AWD had basically deactivated, and that could easily be a real world scenario in snowy regions. Hopefully this will be rectified in the coming products , these vehicles are much too expensive and complex for these type failures to happen so easily!
Yeah, just going on what happened last winter with my Journey, it is some kind of failsafe, so you don't accidentally tear up the transmission. Was a pain in the ass to get back into the driveway where there was traction. Once traction is restored, it magically resets and you have traction control again. Not how I would have set the system up, but it does state in the manual that it will do that if you get aggressive with the throttle. Problem is, what is considered aggressive?
Tbh it's a good practice anyway. But I bought the OBDLink MX+ scan tool (which is a bluetooth model) and it works with several apps. I own Ford vehicles which also gives me an open-source Ford-Specific software for Windows that lets me do some service tech level stuff. OBDLink's mobile app is the one I use for 'Advanced Diagnostics' like Transmission modules, ABS, Airbag etc. but the live time data is SLOW to refresh. But for anything to do with live time data, Torque Pro for Android. Hands down. Fastest refresh rate and great dashboard customization. FORScan (for Windows) is the Ford-Specific software which gives some tech level stuff, I can program PATS keys and perform several services through that, and there's a trimmed down version for mobile, also. Made troubleshooting my new-to-me 2003 Ranger's lack of Cruise control easy. Along with a few other bugs that seem to be result of the truck sitting parked for too long on the dealer lot with a dead battery.
As the hemi goes, so too does the dodge brand. RIP Dodge. It was fun while it lasted. Surprised you didn't the key fob not detected warning my challenger throws all the time hahaha.
The best thing about Dodge was the Hemi engine design and they're getting rid of it, what exactly is going to make them.special now? This car looks like a Honda HRV or Ford Escape except it has worse reliability obviously and probably doesn't perform as good. How are they going to compete I don't even understand.
Just knowing it's a rebadged model from their Italian division should have been enough. Seeing it just confirms expectations. Same thing here as what happened with the Dart.
this actually happened to me once in a jeep grand cherokee! 2022 model, every single sensor went haywire and had to drive it for a bit to get the senors back
We experienced this very same problem last week with our 2022 Jeep Wagoneer Series 3. Vehicle has been at the dealer 7 days now, part not available for another 11 days. In our case we were just driving around when the same systems errors as you experienced surfaced. Quite unnerving as the entire family was onboard. Will update with the part/module that has been identified as causing the issue and final resolution. I can say the dealer has treated us well, they had a loaner Wagoneer ready for us within a couple of hours and have called every couple of days to provide status updates.
oh boy. how lucky for you. 70K out the F'in window on a huge gas guzzler which is broken in a year. you may be missing some part in your brain to buy this crap
@@LayzeeGiant For real, why not get a Ford Expedition, Lexus GX, Toyota 4Runner, Honda Pilot...literally anything other than a damn Chrysler product. Between Kia, Chrysler, and Nissan they are all dogshit wrapped in catshit.
@@slscamg I'm making a Jeep Renegade work as a family car. Sometimes we have to take two cars, but that's rare enough that it's not a big headache. For most daily things the Jeep has enough space, and I put a Thule basket on the roof for larger items like my kids stroller. Sometimes you have to balance what you can afford with what is convenient. I already had the Jeep, buying another car was out because we just bought my wife's car and are paying on it and COVID destroyed the market. Most crossovers can have their cargo space augmented with things like crossbars, baskets, boxes, hitch carriers or even trailers. Most of those are easy enough to store when not in use, except the Trailer.
I am fairly confident that this is a "software" bug. So many systems are now controlled by a computer in cars that it takes good software engineering to assure that you integrate everything correctly. This is an example where unit testing failed because the exact condition reproduced by the reviewer was never even considered to be a possibility to test against so this very corner case has no clean exit in the software resulting in effectively bricking everything to protect entire system from actual damage.
Can't wait to see how the Tonale, er, Hornet plug in hybrid does. To be fair, this was a pre-production vehicle and I'm looking forward to seeing your retest.
Generally speaking CEL will not go off until your run 3 full cycles. (Full cold to full warm). Would have loved to see the code. Most modern cars throw on all the lights to scare you to make sure you come into the dealer for repairs. It's hella dumb that they would send a car for testing with a known issue though lol.
Oddly enough, I had a very similar thing happen to my Ford escape actually. Ended up being the AWD module that went bad, and it shut down just about about all the same things as this incident. Only difference was mine was at 47k miles... traded it in about 8 months later.
the drivetrain control module seen the wheel was not spinning and thought it was a dead sensor. the module has the ability to put the car in reduce power mode to protect the drivetrain. the PCM let's the ABS, crash detection system, and Power steering know the car is in reduce power. then they fault out.
Ford doesn't really have a muscle car like that unless it is the Mustang. Back in the day they had other muscle options outside of the Mustang. Prime examples would be the Falcon, Galaxie, Ford Taurus SHO, and even the Mercury Marauder. 😂
After the release of the new dodge demon with over 1000 horsepower, and Ford has yet to make an suv with over 500 horsepower stock, I don't see how this is possible🤔dodge knows almost every car company is putting alot of resources into hefty engines, they are probably tired of everyone saying their slow even though back in 2017 they literally made a car that went 0-60 in 2.4 seconds which was unheard of at the time. They have been ahead of the game for a while and now since pretty much everyone is at there level they are diverting to something that not ever one is doing. I don't know about you but to me that shows that they really do care about what they put out into the market.
@Cody Cole while I agree I take it with a grain of salt those times are done on a prepped surface under perfect conditions, I have yet to see someone consistently run the claimed times on stock set up. I'm dodge nut hugger as much as the next guy but I'm also a realist. In real world driving the results are even worse. Just my 2 cents, it's a 1 trick horse.
Well, it is Italian, so what did you expect? We have a '21 Stelvio, and the first year we had it we actually got snow in NY. I beat that car as if it owed me money, and it powered it's way through pretty high snow drifts, no issues.
So you're saying that your Stelvio had the check engine lights come on every time you drove in the snow? I'm not sure what you're saying is coming across very well.
@@bladecutter1 Did you miss the "no issues" at the end? In fact, the Stelvio has had very few issues for an Italian car, other than a leaking rear shock.
@@groosbro1 I did miss that, but you're saying that it's an Italian car, so what do you expect in regards to CEL issues. Then you say that you own an Italian car, but you don't have issues? It is a little confusing. BTW, I owned a '21 Giulia for a year which I never had a CEL issue with, and traded it for a '22 Stelvio, which I had a CEL issue with in the first 1500 miles, and wound up getting a reflash, and has had the battery drain twice in the past year. Still love the thing.
I've owned one dodge product..i had a warning light on all the years i owned it. You just got use to it. It stunk really bad, but always started but consumed more motor oil than a 2 stroke outboard motor. The rust finally made me junk it.
Thanks for doing this test. I WAS interested in this vehicle as a fun, inexpensive daily driver. Now, I wouldn’t buy it with 40% off MSRP. Good work on flushing out this issue. Dodge should give you a consulting fee…
so you missed the whole, pre-production issue only part I guess... Too bad, nice little vehicle and now mature and ready to go. This is exactly what testing is for. Dodge didn't release it like this.. Ford sure did.
@@jamesheal8157 ford isn’t super synonymous with unreliable anymore. But when I say all but one dodge I’ve ever been in has had critical electric issues I’m not being dramatic. And for reference I’ve been in 2006 charger sxt- gauge read failures and faulty diagnostic system 1999 concord- there was a short in the aircon wiring and it caught fire 2010 Dakota- gauge read errors faulty radio and exterior lighting. Abs also failed once, resulted in no more Dakota 20xx (idk who cares)- ram with gauge read issues and window control issues I mean seriously how hard is it to make a reliable electric system. Over a span of like 30 years dodge has made only crap. I can’t speak for ford but my grandparents owned Chevy everything and have never once had a major issue. But those cars are ugly as sin
It's not just a Dodge issue. (Looks like a multitude of manufacturers have issues like this as well, judging by the comments) It happened on my Mitsubishi Outlander Sport in deep snow. The lights stay on for some time, even after vehicle reset. Requires a mechanic/dealer with a higher end code reader to turn the lights off, or it will fix itself in a few days or a week or so. 🤷If the snow is consistently that bad in your area, don't buy something this small. Get something higher off the ground with real 4x4. This was made for an inch or 2 of snow tops on plowed/treated roads.
I've watched a lot of reviews of the Tonale. Most have been pretty good with complaints similar to the Hornet ones. Maybe Stellantis is going to want to adopt your test. It's a pretty hard one. Most times you get stuck there is a least going to be some friction on the wheels. With the rollers there is none or much less. I think that might mess with the signaling to transfer power to another wheel. While sad to see it fail the test it's also a great opportunity to see how Dodge responds! See how open they are on what went wrong and did they fix it. In a perfect world everything would be perfect, but we don't live in a perfect world. So, the next best thing is how do they fix the imperfections! That is where stuff like this issue fits in and recalls.
So hear me out: the cpu sees 3 wheels spinning the same speed, one not spinning at all, and sees steering input where he tried to center it on the rollers, and the CPU wrongly concluded that it had a failed wheel speed sensor. I feel like that explains everything but the power steering failure
@@limprooster3253 It has electric power steering. I think it all ties together! I stand by my statement the test itself may have caused the failure. Even in mud and slick conditions you get more grip then on those rollers!
@@lisam4503 I'm not arguing with you. I think the test tricked the CPU into thinking a wheel speed sensor failed. Haven't figured out what electric power steering has to do with wheel speed sensors though unless it's cutting back how much it assists at speed
@@limprooster3253 I am not arguing with your theory either! I am just saying I think that whatever faulted also took out the electric steering! I think it's a related all in one issue. Time will tell what Dodge comes back with as the explanation.
Wow! Was waiting a while for these to come out. Was getting impatient in january, and decided to buy a CPO 2020 Lexus NX300 when I saw how high pricing was when actually getting some options. Definitely made the right choice it looks like lol
Future reference, the ground cable at the battery is a quick connector. No need for tools to unclamp from the battery. Push the little grey tab and lift.
I can't believe they knew about this. If it were my company and we knew I'd have all press vehicles reflashed and tested before sending them out as press vehicles. I believe the three wheel slip test was a great analog for winter driving. I've disagreed with Tommy in the past, but things like this are why I respect him. They're turning out 💩s and handed him one to test.
Reminds me of the TFL video in 2018 when you put the Camry and Accord on the dyno and both of their computer systems had an absolute meltdown, I wonder if the Dodge suffered from the same thing.
Thats the problem.. just stay with what works. They've been selling beauty cars with the 3.6L or 5.7L with the 8 speed for 10 years now, and then they just decide they have to try something different lol. Classic big Corp management wanting to put their stamp on things.
The best of Chrysler was when Mercedes owned them. HEMI, Pentastar V6, RWD platform and even the previous Grand Cherokee/Durango platform all developed or introduced during Mercedes tenure.
IDK. I would say the best time were mid 80s early 90s. They were still finicky vehicles with poor interior quality but they had longevity. We had an 88 Caravan that lasted us 15 years. The Mitsubishi 6G72 while underpowered in its SOHC configuration it was an engine used for years in many Chrysler and Mitsubishis including the 3000GT (twin turbo version). I also still see the 1st gen Grand Cherokees on the road.
That statement could not be farther from the truth, yes Mercedes gave us the vehicles like the 300/charger and even the grand Cherokee but they also stole all Chryslers money and gave us things like the sprinter van and even the Dart. Mercedes had NOThING to do with the Hemi being released or the pentastar coming out other then they were released on there watch but in the works LOnG before Mercedes was even in the picture. German cars in general are some of the priciest junk yard cars on the road PERIOD!!!
It may have been the best for Chrysler itself, but definitely not for Jeep. They killed the Cherokee, got rid of the legendary inline 6, switched to IFS, and royally screwed up on possible gold mines such as the Commander. The Grand Cherokee was butt ugly, and the Commander had a scary amount of issues from leaking moon roofs to unintended acceleration or shutting down in the road. And the 3.7 that they were putting in their Jeeps was gutless and not even tunable. Mercedes treated Jeep liked a pump and dump.
This reminds of the time I went to look at a Scion xB 2.4/manual transmission at a very small used car dealership. When I started it for the test drive, every light that dash had was on (It had 120-130k on it). I have to give it credit, with all those lights on it drove smoothly, idled quietly, and was peppy. I still didn’t want to buy it, though.
Imagine the danger this causes when you have very spotty icy, snowy, or even greasy conditions, finally get unstuck, and then lose power steering in a corner. You could wreck and die.
when i was 16 i got a brand new 2013 dart. i drove nice through the 500 miles break in period and around 750 miles my friend and I decided to do some "spirited" driving around the back roads. coming around a long sweeping corner around 4-5k rpm i got the full christmas tree and the car shut off. sat there on the side of the road flipping out that my dad was gonna kill me. pulled the battery for 30 seconds and then reconnected and thankfully it started up and drove with no issues after that. so this is not surprising to me at all
Cannot believe we went from muscle car Chargers and Challengers with bulletproof small block drive trains....to a boring crossover SUV based off an Italian made POS. Amazing.
Hey everyone, thanks for watching! We have an update on this story taking a deeper dive into what happened here. Go check it out! th-cam.com/video/qRL7HHPOPJQ/w-d-xo.html
I plan to check out the relevant video ASAP. That’s although in response to the test where only one wheel was on the ground, the test driver never managed to get the crossover SUV unstuck. Perhaps the problem can be resolved, in the real world, with a good set of snow tires as much as I:
- dunno how soon if ever, I will drive such an SUV in the winter
- find it strange the SUV is manufactured only in the extreme south of Italy given the only sales of that SUV to be overseas until further notice
7:00 Aren't you supposed to disconnect the positive connection to the battery to reset the computer???? You still have juice if you only disconnect the negative. Gotta down vote this one.
There’s so many people doing test, driving cars do you notice are all flapping, her hands up and down the back and floors
Lol dodge forced them to post a video explaining it
@@JumboRelic If you "still have juice" while the negative is disconnected, then why connect it in the first place?!
"Italian made Dodge"
"Every possible warning light is on"
Yup, sounds about right.
Dodge always made trash.
Even American made Dodge is garbage.
At least they usually make cars with personality to make-up for all the mechanical issues. This doesn't even have that.
At least Dodge is consistent! 😂
@@walterarroyo5220 Whatever you think in your wet dream of ignorance -- but at least the American made Dodges ran.
This is the most Dodge thing to ever happen in your tests.
Dodgy...
Should have Al Bundy there for the test. He enjoyed pushing his Dodge lol
All it needs is an Italian tuneup! Cuz its Italian. This all started with mr Iacocca willingly bending over with the Chrysler TC by Maserati 😇. Too many hands on too much stuff. I guess they didnt learn nothing from their module issues from the 90s.
Cars these days are basically computers with motors and wheels. So, it all depends on how well the software is designed. It looks like Dodge went with the cheapest programmers they could find.
I didn't know what you meant until I got to the 5:30 minute mark lol.... imagine buying this brand new car showing off to your friends and this happens with all the lights coming on ha ha..... this is why nobody shouldn't own a vehicle that is owned by fiat that's owned buy another company and that's owned by the French government... nobody can't blame one company
This is a real step up in reliability for Dodge. I'm impressed.
😂 😂
its a rebadged alfa romeo
Alfa romeo tonale
At least the lights are working :D !!
LOL
These newer cars have almost every system integrated with each other which means that if one fails it will shut off another to prevent damage but sometimes they go too far. When I worked at Toyota some lady came in because her check engine light came on and her 4wd shut off..
Turns out she left the gas cap open 😂
Lolol that's funny. A TOYOTA of all vehicles killed the center clutch because it thought the engine was gone because of a loose gas cap.
I giggled
...yep, my 2020 Ford went into a systems panic exactly like this a few months ago...the culprit?...one broken wire on the left front speed/ABS sensor...lane assist failure, ABS, traction control etc...etc...all lit up because one sensor lost signal...even the headlight system went down when ONE bulb goes out...awesome when you're driving at night and have to use the high beams to get home....turns out when it did it again six months later (summer not using the low beams at all as DRL's are low power to the high beam bulbs), turns out whoever manufactures the H11 plugs for Ford and a number of other makes is faulty...
Same with my Subaru. TCM went out and the car disabled all safety features.
Yeah it's stupid i have a 2010 corolla and its abs and traction control shut off for any engine light, and if the gas cap is a crack open or has a bad seal its an engine light.
When "Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?" Is a reasonable option to repairing your vehicle, you have too many computers in your vehicle.
That’s hillarious, the fact that not only did every light come on but it actually disengaged 4wd and left you stuck 😂🤦♂️ I wish I could say I’m surprised
Well, that also happened to a Ford Bronco owner -- while he was on the trail: No 4WD and had to limp home in 2WD. However, Tommy being on a concrete pad @ home (well, on the ranch) was not quite "being stuck." Unless he's a Mall/Curb-Crawler only, then yeah, he'd be in BIG trouble. ;-)
-- BR
Fix It Again Tony.
@@billredding2000 it can likely be chalked up to pre production/ FMY but people buy crossovers because they think they can go anywhere. So I could see somebody taking this on a slightly to tough dirt road and getting stuck.
by disconnecting the battery for a few minutes, the computer will reset and you wont be stuck for very long
@@ThomasVeilleux That used to be true, but newer powertrain ECUs store faults in nonvolitile (permanent) memory. Any active faults will only clear once the demature requirements are met, which is what Tommy was noting once he started driving.
When you buy a dodge made by Fiat, owned by Peugeot who in turn is run by the French government. You don't own a Dodge.
This one is an Alfa Romeo Tonale
Dodge always made trash
i think you got a couple things wrong: 1. it's Renault that's owned by the french government, 2. this is a rebadged Alfa Romeo Tonale so basically it's fiat that runs the whole shebang..... so it's a steaming pile of crap
Same with RAM
Not like it being a pure American built Dodge is a good thing or advantageous.
If it broke during a test, imagine under normal or snowy conditions?
It is pre production tho🤷🏾♂️
@PostalJay Understandable. However, that gives me less faith that the actual product will be durable or reliable. Can't wait to see.
@@JDMSwervo2001 bro stfu, thats not an excuse here
@@JDMSwervo2001 Bow down to your master Dodge
@@JDMSwervo2001 bow down to your God. You're black, no wonder you're defending dodge. Yikes
I worked as an advisor/writer at a chrysler dealer recently, I had so many 9spd vehicles come threw with electrical bugs, aux battery failures, and shifting issues. We've only been making cars now for 125ish yrs..... when we have 300-400yrs of making them they may get some of the bugs worked out 😂
well dodge/Chrysler/jeep are just dogshit poorly made cars
Ah, the legendary ZF 9-speed. The Finest In German Engineering(tm).
@@ClockworksOfGLI thought the ZF was good. Is it trash?
All the 9 speeds from Chrysler have issues
@@platanomikeyklk1455 I think Chrysler is really cornered the American market for horrible cars. I see the ZF transmissions in all sorts of cars and trucks. I would assume all ZF transmissions aren’t the same and tuning, cooling and specing have a lot to do with the quality.
If they were aware that this is an issue in these pre-production vehicles, why would they send you one to test? Why not do the repair first? This just makes them look terrible.
Possibly because the problems have been surfacing with the pre-production vehicles already out in the field. The cars are sent out to reviewers, issues start happening, and the company is told about those issues. Doubtful the company knew about problems first, and then sent the vehicles out.
@@anthonyc1883 i hope you’re right about that. I really don’t have a problem with Dodge and I really would like to see them do well but when you see stuff like this, I just shake my head and wonder.
Because it's a Dodge. They're built to fail.
You make a fair point and we don't have a clear answer for that. In the interest of fairness though (and hopefully in pursuit of running a more informative test for folks buying the production Hornet), we will run this again with the update to see whether that does actually fix the issue. We'll get that published as soon as we can get the Hornet back to test again!
Because they understand that our society is comprised of incompetent dolts who will buy anything that is advertised on tv.
Nice to know that if you were to ever find yourself in a situation in the snow or ice with no traction, your car will entirely break down and forget how to car. Beautiful.
You typically don't get traction on ice with regualr tires.. which is part why these tests aren't a real measure of anything relevant
@@ion123456 Stop driving on ice with regular tires full stop.
No matter if its awd, fwd or rwd you need winter tires on ice to stop the car in emergency braking situation.
Just because you can accelerate somewhat on awd with normal all season tires on ice does not make it safe or recommended ever.
@@ion123456this is absolutely relevant. It tells us this car is a pos.
It’s junk. I feel bad for anybody who buys it, but like with Jeep, you have to know that you’re not getting the most dependable product.
So just like a Tacoma
Excellent video. This is exactly what we need to see before spending money on these things.
Even if it really turns out to just be a software error, it goes to show why you never buy a vehicle in its first year of production. Especially a Chrysler product.
Thanks for watching! This issue may just affect the *pre*-production cars (which are the ones we normally get on media drives before full-scale production starts). The cars actually shipping out to consumers should have the necessary reflash so this won't happen, but we obviously wanted to be open and transparent about our experience, and this may prove a useful reference point if buyers do in fact have a similar problem.
We're working to get the Hornet back with that software update as quickly as possible to test it again and see whether that fixed the issue, and folks can go ahead and buy the car with confidence. More on that soon!
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@@TFLcar To me this is just a Dodge being a dodge lol
@@nodak81 stellantis own dodge
the test went great! u got the true experience of owning a Dodge.
I was cracking up after every possible service light came on 😂💀
Yeah…me too!😅🤣😂🥳
Oh that was so funny! You laugh at the dumbest things!
@@josephsmith2063 over 130 others do too it appears 🤷🏻♂️
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@@josephsmith2063 Hey bro, you ok?
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have an OBD2 reader on hand, so you could at least hook that up and read off the Check Engine code to see what's going on.
Yes, and a team of software engineers and advanced diagnosticians, and nasa engineers, and.....
I've had a dodge/Fiat EV and a normal OBD2 reader will not communicate with their systems, and using the wrong one can actually damage the computer by plugging it in. There are some you can download that may work but if not then you are stuck taking it to a dealer to read codes or you need Fiat's multi thousand dollar reader.
On modern Dodge products you cannot read read/erase codes with a regular OBD2 reader. It requires a security bypass. They do this because a few years ago it was discovered that their vehicles could be hacked an remotely controlled.
I was thinking the same thing.
FCA units come with a "Security Gateway Module" so, only a dealer can acces to the diagnostic network. The dealer or a guy like us in México that we have magic solutions
Getting no power steering or abs when stuck in the snow seems like a recall waiting to happen
Absolutely, and I can just see that now.
End of video he quoted the Dodge rep who said "We are aware of this issue with our preproduction vehicles and will fix it with a flash update to the software (ECU)" so no recall.
@@jvc85 but knowing the history of modern dodge I would say it can be quite possible that the issue comes back in lost production. I mean I worked for Toyota corporate and we would benchmark vehicles by looking at other brands. And plenty of preproduction issues that were “fixed” In many brands ended up going to production anyway. Just not as severe.
@@fluffysharkdatazz9460 Well yes indeed, its not the first time American car makers ignore serious flaws (This has happened to other makers around the world too) that end up in serious lawsuits and recalls. But I would think they will fix this issue when they actually comment about it, if it will fix it 100% is debatable and easiest to check with another test. But for this issue to come back after being updated would say more about the techs at Dodge than anything.
Seems like some deaths waiting to happen. What an awful unsafe system. In the Canadian winter on a cold isolated long road people die from being stuck. This is literally untenable.
UPDATE, the fleet manager was found unconscious at his desk with all his warning lights on! Another pre-production glitch they suspect.
This comment is gold 😂
ATV seat Exchange Facts !!!
That is off the charts hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍
Good thing it isn't Russian or an open window and a dead body would be found.
@@puffnstuff12 I understood that reference.
A broken Italian Dodge. Huh. Shocker. I never, ever ever, would have guessed that to even be a possibility
they are a passionate ppl, just not detail oriented....
Another brain dead opinion 😂
FIAT hates those rollers
Italian, French, American.... A Dodge is a Dodge 😂
You might be surprised to hear Alfa has come a long way with reliability. This test result is sad to see but let's see how they handle it and if it solves the problem.
Wow a test that actually could happen in a Canadian winter. Hard pass on this car.
Hahahaha is anyone actually considering this 30k garbage
@@ellwoodwolf This is 30k???? 😮
@@jamestorrens645you must be vaccinated 😂
@@jamestorrens645u must have fetal alcohol syndrome
@@lapoose325 LMFOAOAOAOAOO
a turbocharged , hybrid , AWD chrysler product sound slike the stuff of nightmare reliability legends
An unreliable Stellantis product? No, I'm shocked, totally shocked!!
The really sad fact is that these units that go to press are also sent to another company that makes sure they are gone over with a fine-tooth comb to ensure they are as good as the manufacturer can make them, since these are obviously high visibility vehicles for the company. And they STILL fell apart, lol!
Remember when they towed with a brand new f150 and the water pump went out lol happens to them all.
Yes, it just goes to show that intelligence is not additive. It could have been worst, a 5 loser car group with Nissan and Renault added instead of just 3.
I'm shocked , that you would be shocked.
It's basically an Alfa Romeo too
It probably assumed there was snow on the ground so it shut itself down as Italian cars are known to stop working when it gets a little cool out. Good job Dodge…
I bet they never tested it in severe weather
They're also know to fail when the sun is out, or it's a little rainy, if you put air in the tires, or you try driving one all the way to the grocery store and back.
Don't blame Italians this is American junk
a Fix It Again Tony moment
Good job Tim kuniskis.. he’s responsible for dodges downfall
Dodge and it's mother company has some splaining to do. I'm sure they will say user fault but this video is definitely informative. Thank you.
He says at the end Dodge acknowledged the issue and said what the fix is
They better get this fixed before this video gets hundreds of thousands of plays
@@ellwoodwolf385k right now
This isn’t actually a smart test to do. It’s the equivalent of oversizing your wheels, spinning the wheels while driving down the road causes transfer case issues because the computer thinks the car is going faster than it is - larger wheels you’re taking longer to achieve more revolutions. (So this in turn causes issues with transfer case and differential). Obviously this is minimal because the wheels are moving at a slow speed and are controlled and dyno testing for upgraded cars will use “rollers” and controlled so the car doesn’t even move. While I don’t think all the lights should’ve gone on necessarily it’s just an anecdotal example of what’s happening - many cars don’t like for this to occur.
@@ryanc2927la-bla-bla. All makes can handle it easily except dodge. Now try to fix all that warnings. In my case, in similar situation, I changed icu and half of the car. And nobody really knew the proper way to fix this car. And I tried dozen dealerships. So it sounds so familiar to me.
Glad you guys do real world testing with no favoritism. Just the truth. Hard to find these days.
3 wheel slip test you did is awesome for showing "True" AWD performance in colder climate. Hopefully it's only software and not damage like when an AWD vehicle is towed behind a tow truck.
The fact that this happened shows a lack of pre production testing I’m wanting to assume?
@@markasmith99 or it's a one of issue....try not to paint a complete car line based on one video...
@@Deke1fair but it’s still a fault that could kill someone
@@Deke1 Are you kidding?! This is nothing new from Dodge. I worked for Dodge transferring cars between dealers and the brand new vehicles I was driving from state to state would frequently have some electrical issues from minor to very major. I would take one for free from them!
This tends to happen with newer vehicles. They really hate doing things they don’t like. I did a single donut in a 2020 Civic Si and the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. I continued driving because I needed to get home and the lights shut off 10 mins later lol.
Wow, you are awesome! I would have never dreamed this happened in new vehicles! 😶😳
How do you do a donut in a civic? Lol
LSD+snow+manual=fun in any car
@@Yophillips3272 lol haha in reverse
@@CharCharTV fair enough 👌
Seems about right. I recently traded my ‘18 Jeep Wrangler for a ‘23 Ford Ranger. I loved my Jeep but it was one thing after another. Front brake rotors rusted at 5K miles, a rear axle seal, a clutch sensor, the clutch recall (they’re apparently coming apart), frame welds rusting, a strange short that would occasionally cause a loud “pop” through the sound system that would reset the radio, and finally the dreaded galvanic corrosion. I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it.
I've driven nothing but Jeep GCs since about 1996 (or 1997? -- I've had 5 of them) and the worst thing I ever had was a transfer case issue on my 2002 model (actually that was my fault as I apparently mis-performed or forgot to do the electronic drive disengagement function before towing it behind my RV for 400 miles --yikes. But I find them to be dead reliable?
@@Mandolin1944 I’m hoping I got a fluke! My ‘98 Wrangler SE (4cyl/5speed/soft top) was an outstanding little vehicle & I made the mistake of selling it to one of my buddies in ‘09 or so. He still has it & loves it (& let’s me know about it every chance he gets)!
Dang that’s crazy, we have a ‘19 wrangler and it’s been nothing but great, only thing we get is that loud pop from the speakers every now and then but mechanically it’s been flawless. 70k ish miles
I loved my Wrangler. And hated it. Electrical issues. Bad welds (leaks). Poorly assembled transmission! Issues from month 1 through year 7. Why do I miss it?
"I traded it with 24K miles on it & got almost what I paid for it"
Those KBB top-10 resale threads every year are really fun because the top ~5 is usually 2-3 body-on-frame Toyota's and the Jeep Wrangler.
Many cabins here in Colorado have a Jeep and a 4Runner parked out front. The Jeep for having fun, the 4Runner because you need at least one capable reliable vehicle.
As a test engineer I’m seriously baffled how this was missed in basic testing. These slip testers are bog standard and should be apart of initial development testing. Good lord.
1. the bus never went to sleep when you turned the car off. you have to wait at least 5 minutes for the computers to shut down completely
2. that little plug on the negative battery terminal needs to be unplugged BEFORE removing or you’ll get a check engine light because the BCM will not be able to sense it and you’ll have to reset the ecm with mopars scan tool.
I was waiting for one warning to pop up saying “GET OUT!!”
That would have to be an aftermarket part for a couple of reasons.
I was waiting for ASTA LA VISTA BABY
or, "I'm Sorry, I can't do that Dave".
Ahh that's hilarious 😂😂
The warning is already on the center caps and the headrests.
Yep. Pretty much what I'd expect considering Alfa Romeo's long reputation of electronic issues. I miss Dodge being an American company.
As a former owner of a '74 dodge dart, i can tell you dodge has a long standing tradition of 'dodgey' electronics. Coupled with Alfa's rep for the same, what could possibly go wrong?
Dodge wasn't any better when it was American
@M To be fair, there was nothing worse for a car in the 60s-80s to be than an American-built car.
Source: 57 horsepower 6.7 liter v8 engines with 7mpg to a full size sedan with a compact interior.
@@mirlov true
Dodge has always been garbage.
Another quality offering from our friends at Stellantis. The Dodge to Dodge.
We need to have a follow up to see exactly what happened
We're working to get the Hornet back with the necessary reflash as soon as possible so we can show you guys whether that did fix the issue. Stay tuned!
Fiat-Chrysler-Dodge-Peugot engineering happened.
@@TFLcar dude i was gonna get one one these and you just saved me. Gas prices be damned im getting the challenger i wanted, sorry family lmao
@@djhowell5273 *sees how unreliable a dodge is... goes and buys a different dodge* lolol
@@djhowell5273 no my boy, I'm still going to get a charger wb scat. Don't let your dreams be memes
Manufactured in Italy:
"They never sorted out electricity, have they?" - James May
Most of what Italy manufactures you can't afford.
@@tedunguent156 Thank God. Imagine having the money to pay for expensive low quality.
@@tedunguent156 That's even worse considering how bad the build quality is.
@@Trussme96 LOL Ask someone who knows what they are talking about. LOL Gucci, Ferrari, Moto Guzzi and Ducati just to name a few brands that you know nothing about.
James May??
Isn't he that British car guy that live s in England. Land of bad food, bad teeth and horrendous cars? Land where where Brit s are slowly being devoured by immigration. The place with an Indian prime minister??
Doesn't Jame May know that Italians were pioneers in electricity? Volt comes from Mr. Volta. Batteries were invented in italy. Radio was pioneered in i taly.
The Do NOT BUY light came on too.
😂👍
I'm glad that you provided the retest video using competitors, showing that they had the same fault. It's not just the Dodge Hornet. All of the commenters below need to watch the retest video.
They are just headline readers. You can tell by the “typical Dodge” comments. The only Dodge thing I see is the hood and headlamps.
Hey Tommy, for future slip tests, could you draw an arrow (in chalk) somewhere on the tire so we can easily see how many full tire rotations are needed before the vehicle moves?
That's a really good idea 👍
Holly crap !!! 40K worth of junk.. Sorry what they've done to you Dodge.
Dodge was already a disaster before they did anything. Nothing actually changed.
Dodge was always junk even back in the days fiat Md the French now made it worse
I think Dodges and Chryslers days are numbered. Only Jeep and Ram will be the survivors of the original ChryCo mark.
I agree with you here.
The Dodge haters always love to jump in and talk trash.
I've owned 4 Chargers. All of them excellent. No issues at all. My current 2020 SPWB is awesome as well. But when Fiat got it's mits on this company things were bound to go to shit. But look at Ford and Chevy now too. Both are struggling with quality control and unreliable trucks and SUVs. Didn't Ford stop production on the Lightning again. Chevy's at the bottom of the list in reliability on consumer report.
I mean, it's not like Dodge ever made a reliable small car.
Had a similar thing happen on a 2017 civic, for me the case was that a wheel sensor got uncalibrated. It fixed itself, randomly.
As a former Chrysler tech...seems nothing changed on new models. I was there when the all-new 2014 Cherokee launched, boy!
Did the later model year Cherokees ever become reliable?
@@0HOON0 I have a 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk I bought it used about 3 years ago - think there was just one other owner, all I have had to do was change the battery and the oil and I just hit 80K on the odometer, so far best car I have had, my previous cars were GMC Yukon (older one) and a Hummer H3, loved the hummer but engine was the smaller one and had to replace the tranny and radiator on it and I only went wheeling with it once at Hollister so nothing major, then a few years later started to make other noises from the front axel and at that time I did not have the resources to keep throwing money at it so I traded it for the jeep. Jeep has been awesome so far (knocks on wood)🙂
Yep, are they available to buy right now? I’m driving to my Dodge vehicle as I type this hoping I can trade in my 21 Toyota Venza! I haven’t felt this enthused about a car since I purchased a 2005 Chrysler 300C. With that car, I was on a first name basis with the Service Manager at the dealership! I want that feeling back. My Venza doesn’t have the beautiful display of colorful warning lights like this Dodge and it never needs servicing. I need this Hornet. It should do very well in a Minnesota winter. Go Dodge, way to keep up the mystique of “crap on wheels”.
@@0HOON0 I have a 2019 and it has some quirks (thanks ZF-9 transmission), but with 80K miles - it’s been very reliable. GIve Jeep 3-4 years to figure a new model and they get to at least average reliability :)
I had a 2014 Cherokee. It had no major problems during the years I owned it. Sadly, it got totaled in a crash.
It succeeded! Any Stellantis product is designed to have all the lights illuminated. Warning lights may be the only thing that function all of the time.
That's the last press Dodge TFL gets 😅
We had one we got off the delivery truck, and it had the same problem.
The clockspring was out of calibration from the factory.
I see Chrysler/Dodge reliability has been maintained under its new ownership
Lucky you live in the mountains ,I recommend finding a nice high cliff(aprox.1000 feet) and push that P.O.S. off of said cliff because in the long run that will save you money.
This happened to us in 2015 on our new cherokee Trailhawk, dealer told us it was a faulty steering rack
Expensive repair. I had mine repaired a couple years ago.
Great test. I appreciate that you went through the typical process of resetting the system short of using a scan tool, which I wouldn’t consider a typical owner to have. Interested in the follow up.
Need a scanner to clear all the codes in case it snows and your wheels slip😂
I keep one in my car. I drive a Fiat 500! 😁
My car's never thrown a CEL.
Why? Isn’t there a warranty?
Your Defender threw a check engine at 100 miles and couldn't be fixed and now the new Fiat500X/Alfa badge engineered Dodge throws every light ? Awesome coming from across the pond !
My dad's Volvo lasted less than a month. Avoid everything from Europe at all costs.
@@baronvonjo1929 our Volvo got 200k miles lol.
@@cherrydrivereviews8930 Honestly good for you. Unreliable cars are such a pain and awful to deal with. But we will never consider anything from Europe again. Other brands there share poor build reputations.
@@baronvonjo1929 my father has the 2012, Volvo XC60 that I told him to buy back in 2012 when I was 12 years old. I don’t know why but I always love Volvo since I was a little kid and he decided to go for it and we got the five cylinder diesel engine with 163 hp. A few weeks ago my dad broke the clutch after 132,000 km because he used to pull a van with horses and I guess it was too strong for the car because it wasn’t all wheel drive. It is front wheel drive, but anyways we looked at new cars, new volvos etc… and they are absolutely trash. They have four cylinders they’re not reliable they’re all plastic and the repair at Volvo wasn’t going to be cheap but just to say that this car is 11 years old. It has been with us since 2012 and it hasn’t let us down once it hasn’t broken down it hasn’t had any reliability issues, and it’s one of the most reliable, strong and best sounding five cylinders out there. Just to say that European cars are not unreliable just newer cars are like new volvos (which are chinese owned by geely) etc… but older European cars are just gold. They last like a beast and I’ve seen people with the same car and they have done more than 500,000 km.
@@dylanlopez1320 Eh true. Lots of American brands had some decent stuff but seem to struggle a lot now.
The jury has determined you can't break something that's already broken 😂
AWESOME COMMENT, thank you! 😅🤣😂🥳
What a relief.
It still carries Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat's quality.
I was recently sitting in a Jeep Wagoneer with the extra display in front of the passenger. Imagine the possibilities... They could double the warning lights for Stellantis vehicles 😁
The passenger will get to feel first hand how it feels to own a Stellantis product 🤣
@@RossMKF1 Facts. I know a guy with a 2018 Compass, 140k miles, replaced TWO throttle body assemblies last year alone (both requiring a tow when they failed), and since purchasing new he's had to replace seven factory radios. Total cost: over $4,000 for two throttle bodies plus install and dealer calibration, I've never cared to ask about the radios since he probably blows them out from cranking them up far beyond the point of distortion. I would consider that to be Operator Abuse, not necessarily crappy factory radios. (Although it IS Dodge, and they've had some really wimpy radios over the years, so...🤷♂)
This same guy scoffed at my '99 Cherokee, 170k miles, the only repairs I've done that weren't wear-and-tear was a power steering pump, headlight switch, and signal flasher module. None of those failures required a tow or disabled the vehicle. Total cost: an acceptable $500.
My vehicle is appreciating in value while his depreciates. 🤣
As a Land Rover owner, I 've never seen so many warning lights in my life.
Together ? Or one at a time ?
Land Rovers generally only have 75% of MIL lights on at any given time, not 100%
@@BraeburnTV I probably shouldn't jinx it, but my '08 LR3 currenty has zero!
Because the warning lights don't work 😊
Oh you made me LOL, as an old Audi owner I agree
Crap! I just signed a 3 year lease for this. Seems like a great car. Set fun to drive. I fell in love with it on the road test. It’s such a cool-looking car.
A US brand with large V8 vehicles as the only positive goes French/Italian - the future is not bright. Who knew a rebadged Alfa could have electronic/quality problems...
Man, this thing would NOT survive the apocalypse whatsoever.
Can’t even survive a trip to the mall either 😂
Cant survive a light breeze
Yeah but someone is going to pay good money to get one of those "Rust bucket" wraps applied on everything including the plastic bumpers.
It wouldn't survive turning into traffic leaving the dealership lot.
They need to get a Subaru Outback Wilderness and study how and why it works so well.
Nice real world test and results. A follow-up video would be interesting.
No it wouldn’t
Yes, the on camera reaction of the Dodge rep, as he tells him what happened with their POS.
Reminder: If you are stuck in snow your first thing to do is turn OFF traction control. It prevents wheels that should rotate from rotating. This means you aren't wearing through the snow to get to the surface. A lot of people seem to think traction control is a panacea for any traction issues. It is NOT. Traction control works for when you suddenly hit a ice patch/start aquaplaning or whatever as you are driving normally. But once stuck in snow, it just turns all of the wheels off since they are all spinning (if none has traction with the road). Slowly use the accelerator to get the wheels turning with traction control OFF. Eventually some of your wheels will get traction and you will jump out of the stuck position you were in. Don't go nuts with the accelerator, just keep those tires turning till they get thru the snow, and you'll know when they do since the car will start to move. Turn traction control back on once you are moving.
I know this doesn't take away from the testing you were doing where you should have had one tire with traction. But I've just seen a lot of stuck cars where I now live that gets little snow. I grew up with lots of snow :)
Great informative video very appreciated. I have to say Whoa , this is remarkable, what’s scary is the fact that now AWD had basically deactivated, and that could easily be a real world scenario in snowy regions. Hopefully this will be rectified in the coming products , these vehicles are much too expensive and complex for these type failures to happen so easily!
Yeah, just going on what happened last winter with my Journey, it is some kind of failsafe, so you don't accidentally tear up the transmission. Was a pain in the ass to get back into the driveway where there was traction. Once traction is restored, it magically resets and you have traction control again. Not how I would have set the system up, but it does state in the manual that it will do that if you get aggressive with the throttle. Problem is, what is considered aggressive?
If you buy the car, you also have to buy an OBD2 scan tool to leave in the glovebox for when that happens again.
Tbh it's a good practice anyway.
But I bought the OBDLink MX+ scan tool (which is a bluetooth model) and it works with several apps. I own Ford vehicles which also gives me an open-source Ford-Specific software for Windows that lets me do some service tech level stuff.
OBDLink's mobile app is the one I use for 'Advanced Diagnostics' like Transmission modules, ABS, Airbag etc. but the live time data is SLOW to refresh.
But for anything to do with live time data, Torque Pro for Android. Hands down. Fastest refresh rate and great dashboard customization.
FORScan (for Windows) is the Ford-Specific software which gives some tech level stuff, I can program PATS keys and perform several services through that, and there's a trimmed down version for mobile, also.
Made troubleshooting my new-to-me 2003 Ranger's lack of Cruise control easy. Along with a few other bugs that seem to be result of the truck sitting parked for too long on the dealer lot with a dead battery.
As the hemi goes, so too does the dodge brand. RIP Dodge. It was fun while it lasted. Surprised you didn't the key fob not detected warning my challenger throws all the time hahaha.
The best thing about Dodge was the Hemi engine design and they're getting rid of it, what exactly is going to make them.special now? This car looks like a Honda HRV or Ford Escape except it has worse reliability obviously and probably doesn't perform as good. How are they going to compete I don't even understand.
Just knowing it's a rebadged model from their Italian division should have been enough. Seeing it just confirms expectations. Same thing here as what happened with the Dart.
@jebril Are they getting rid of it it's still. The world is changing so don't get too anxious about the hemi leaving any time soon.
Hemi doesn't mean anything special anymore. Most cars use hemispherical heads
this actually happened to me once in a jeep grand cherokee! 2022 model, every single sensor went haywire and had to drive it for a bit to get the senors back
We experienced this very same problem last week with our 2022 Jeep Wagoneer Series 3. Vehicle has been at the dealer 7 days now, part not available for another 11 days. In our case we were just driving around when the same systems errors as you experienced surfaced. Quite unnerving as the entire family was onboard. Will update with the part/module that has been identified as causing the issue and final resolution. I can say the dealer has treated us well, they had a loaner Wagoneer ready for us within a couple of hours and have called every couple of days to provide status updates.
oh boy. how lucky for you. 70K out the F'in window on a huge gas guzzler which is broken in a year. you may be missing some part in your brain to buy this crap
What a shame that happened! And this is suppose to be Jeep's new flagship vehicle!!
And that folks, is what you get from a $110k Chrysler product. Good luck with that.
@@LayzeeGiant For real, why not get a Ford Expedition, Lexus GX, Toyota 4Runner, Honda Pilot...literally anything other than a damn Chrysler product. Between Kia, Chrysler, and Nissan they are all dogshit wrapped in catshit.
Did they ever root cause the issue? Curious to hear what the problem was
That is disappointing. I don't want a crossover, but need one for my family. This was a strong possibility, but not anymore.
Three words - Honda Civic hatchback.
This is so small it wouldn’t make a good family car. Go look at a Mazda CX-5 turbo or CX-50 turbo.
If you need a small crossover, just get a RAV4
@@slscamg I'm making a Jeep Renegade work as a family car. Sometimes we have to take two cars, but that's rare enough that it's not a big headache. For most daily things the Jeep has enough space, and I put a Thule basket on the roof for larger items like my kids stroller.
Sometimes you have to balance what you can afford with what is convenient. I already had the Jeep, buying another car was out because we just bought my wife's car and are paying on it and COVID destroyed the market.
Most crossovers can have their cargo space augmented with things like crossbars, baskets, boxes, hitch carriers or even trailers. Most of those are easy enough to store when not in use, except the Trailer.
Subaru Outback
Tommy have you tried this test with the 2023 Jeep Compass? Since the power train is almost identical, I’m wondering if you would have the same issues?
I am fairly confident that this is a "software" bug. So many systems are now controlled by a computer in cars that it takes good software engineering to assure that you integrate everything correctly. This is an example where unit testing failed because the exact condition reproduced by the reviewer was never even considered to be a possibility to test against so this very corner case has no clean exit in the software resulting in effectively bricking everything to protect entire system from actual damage.
Can't wait to see how the Tonale, er, Hornet plug in hybrid does. To be fair, this was a pre-production vehicle and I'm looking forward to seeing your retest.
yeah because so much changes in barely a couple months
@Brad Haines they're a mass market car manufacturer so yes, I would assume they would want to fix found problems
Wow you're so clever you must be the only one who knows the name of its sister car
Nothing worth spending $60k+ on, that is for damn sure. They could have even at least given it the inline 6 TT engine as a highest trim.
Generally speaking CEL will not go off until your run 3 full cycles. (Full cold to full warm). Would have loved to see the code. Most modern cars throw on all the lights to scare you to make sure you come into the dealer for repairs. It's hella dumb that they would send a car for testing with a known issue though lol.
regardless, the car with 2000 miles on it shouldnt do that
Im tryna figure out why he doesnt have a obd scanner because that wouldve been awesome
Or you just clear the code with a scan tool
Oddly enough, I had a very similar thing happen to my Ford escape actually. Ended up being the AWD module that went bad, and it shut down just about about all the same things as this incident. Only difference was mine was at 47k miles... traded it in about 8 months later.
At least you were able to use it for a while 😂
@@thankyou9085 silver lining? 🤣 bottom line, no new model car should have issues like this, this early on
You *Escaped* a horrible fate
the drivetrain control module seen the wheel was not spinning and thought it was a dead sensor. the module has the ability to put the car in reduce power mode to protect the drivetrain. the PCM let's the ABS, crash detection system, and Power steering know the car is in reduce power. then they fault out.
Seems like Stellantis is cutting corners on testing and development and just throwing caution to the wind.
Tim Kuniski killed Dodge
This scratches the Hornet off my list. Also , can you do a retest video to see if Dodge made any improvements. Thanks
You REALLY thought of buying one? lol
Dodge will go downhill after killing the HEMI and intentionally leaving the muscle car segment to Ford.
Ford doesn't really have a muscle car like that unless it is the Mustang. Back in the day they had other muscle options outside of the Mustang. Prime examples would be the Falcon, Galaxie, Ford Taurus SHO, and even the Mercury Marauder. 😂
After the release of the new dodge demon with over 1000 horsepower, and Ford has yet to make an suv with over 500 horsepower stock, I don't see how this is possible🤔dodge knows almost every car company is putting alot of resources into hefty engines, they are probably tired of everyone saying their slow even though back in 2017 they literally made a car that went 0-60 in 2.4 seconds which was unheard of at the time. They have been ahead of the game for a while and now since pretty much everyone is at there level they are diverting to something that not ever one is doing. I don't know about you but to me that shows that they really do care about what they put out into the market.
They are releasing a straight 6 that makes similar power. Complaint to the EPA not Dodge
@Cody Cole while I agree I take it with a grain of salt those times are done on a prepped surface under perfect conditions, I have yet to see someone consistently run the claimed times on stock set up.
I'm dodge nut hugger as much as the next guy but I'm also a realist.
In real world driving the results are even worse. Just my 2 cents, it's a 1 trick horse.
@@GoodUncleSAMnow if they could only make them work.😄😄😄😄😄
So if you get stuck in the snow your Dodge will blow up trying to get out. GOT IT.
@Cee Having a tow truck driver on retainer as well.
@Cee i have a real dodge and it dragged a chevy half ton through 3ft of melting snow for about 300 feet
@Cee just tow a snowmobile behind you at all times. When you break down, abandon the Dodge and take the snowmobile home l
Imagine that, Dodge wiring with a hint of Italy. The fact that it didn't catch on fire is a miracle.
Well, it is Italian, so what did you expect?
We have a '21 Stelvio, and the first year we had it we actually got snow in NY. I beat that car as if it owed me money, and it powered it's way through pretty high snow drifts, no issues.
you beat your car? are you 6 years old?
So you're saying that your Stelvio had the check engine lights come on every time you drove in the snow?
I'm not sure what you're saying is coming across very well.
@@babinus
Yes!
@@bladecutter1
Did you miss the "no issues" at the end?
In fact, the Stelvio has had very few issues for an Italian car, other than a leaking rear shock.
@@groosbro1 I did miss that, but you're saying that it's an Italian car, so what do you expect in regards to CEL issues. Then you say that you own an Italian car, but you don't have issues?
It is a little confusing.
BTW, I owned a '21 Giulia for a year which I never had a CEL issue with, and traded it for a '22 Stelvio, which I had a CEL issue with in the first 1500 miles, and wound up getting a reflash, and has had the battery drain twice in the past year. Still love the thing.
I've owned one dodge product..i had a warning light on all the years i owned it. You just got use to it. It stunk really bad, but always started but consumed more motor oil than a 2 stroke outboard motor. The rust finally made me junk it.
The rust was absolutely horrible on Dodge products for sure. I've owned 2 of their vehicles and never another Dodge again.
Thanks for doing this test. I WAS interested in this vehicle as a fun, inexpensive daily driver. Now, I wouldn’t buy it with 40% off MSRP.
Good work on flushing out this issue. Dodge should give you a consulting fee…
so you missed the whole, pre-production issue only part I guess... Too bad, nice little vehicle and now mature and ready to go. This is exactly what testing is for. Dodge didn't release it like this.. Ford sure did.
@@jamesheal8157 ford isn’t super synonymous with unreliable anymore. But when I say all but one dodge I’ve ever been in has had critical electric issues I’m not being dramatic. And for reference I’ve been in
2006 charger sxt- gauge read failures and faulty diagnostic system
1999 concord- there was a short in the aircon wiring and it caught fire
2010 Dakota- gauge read errors faulty radio and exterior lighting. Abs also failed once, resulted in no more Dakota
20xx (idk who cares)- ram with gauge read issues and window control issues
I mean seriously how hard is it to make a reliable electric system. Over a span of like 30 years dodge has made only crap.
I can’t speak for ford but my grandparents owned Chevy everything and have never once had a major issue. But those cars are ugly as sin
Get an Alfa Romeo Stelvio 0 problems and it’s a great daily driver
It's not just a Dodge issue. (Looks like a multitude of manufacturers have issues like this as well, judging by the comments) It happened on my Mitsubishi Outlander Sport in deep snow. The lights stay on for some time, even after vehicle reset. Requires a mechanic/dealer with a higher end code reader to turn the lights off, or it will fix itself in a few days or a week or so. 🤷If the snow is consistently that bad in your area, don't buy something this small. Get something higher off the ground with real 4x4. This was made for an inch or 2 of snow tops on plowed/treated roads.
I would like to see you do the same exact test when the actual production vehicle is out. I'm glad you do these tests.
🤣. It needs a light that says “don’t do that”
Lmfao
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YUP: definitely a Dodge 🔧 🔨🚯
This is a car designed for all the single ladies.
@@andrefrbk or bud light\Jack drinkers
Or for people on hormones transitioning.
Dude looks like John Dupee from To Catch A Predator. … John? Is that you, guy?
I've watched a lot of reviews of the Tonale. Most have been pretty good with complaints similar to the Hornet ones.
Maybe Stellantis is going to want to adopt your test. It's a pretty hard one. Most times you get stuck there is a least going to be some friction on the wheels. With the rollers there is none or much less. I think that might mess with the signaling to transfer power to another wheel.
While sad to see it fail the test it's also a great opportunity to see how Dodge responds! See how open they are on what went wrong and did they fix it. In a perfect world everything would be perfect, but we don't live in a perfect world. So, the next best thing is how do they fix the imperfections! That is where stuff like this issue fits in and recalls.
So hear me out: the cpu sees 3 wheels spinning the same speed, one not spinning at all, and sees steering input where he tried to center it on the rollers, and the CPU wrongly concluded that it had a failed wheel speed sensor. I feel like that explains everything but the power steering failure
@@limprooster3253 It has electric power steering. I think it all ties together! I stand by my statement the test itself may have caused the failure. Even in mud and slick conditions you get more grip then on those rollers!
@@lisam4503 I'm not arguing with you. I think the test tricked the CPU into thinking a wheel speed sensor failed. Haven't figured out what electric power steering has to do with wheel speed sensors though unless it's cutting back how much it assists at speed
@@limprooster3253 I am not arguing with your theory either! I am just saying I think that whatever faulted also took out the electric steering! I think it's a related all in one issue. Time will tell what Dodge comes back with as the explanation.
That makes sense, it'll probably be gone once it hits production, now that they've tested it
Wow! Was waiting a while for these to come out. Was getting impatient in january, and decided to buy a CPO 2020 Lexus NX300 when I saw how high pricing was when actually getting some options. Definitely made the right choice it looks like lol
Lexus’s are great cars! They’re considered luxury Toyotas. I’d say you made a great choice!
@@MorganBolton that is pretty much it, a fancy RAV4 with a turbo lol, but I’m hoping she will last 150-200k miles
@@mxpx148 hoping? id be mad if it doesn't. ex had a yaris that lasted 300k, and it still runs now
Future reference, the ground cable at the battery is a quick connector. No need for tools to unclamp from the battery. Push the little grey tab and lift.
Take it from a rural Albertan, the 3 wheel slip test is TOTALLY representative
Funny, still waiting for my 1st engine warning light on my 12 tacoma with 160k miles.. Way to produce quality products FCA.. 👌
I can't believe they knew about this. If it were my company and we knew I'd have all press vehicles reflashed and tested before sending them out as press vehicles. I believe the three wheel slip test was a great analog for winter driving. I've disagreed with Tommy in the past, but things like this are why I respect him. They're turning out 💩s and handed him one to test.
Reminds me of the TFL video in 2018 when you put the Camry and Accord on the dyno and both of their computer systems had an absolute meltdown, I wonder if the Dodge suffered from the same thing.
Good to see Dodge making improvements on their vehicles
Thats the problem.. just stay with what works. They've been selling beauty cars with the 3.6L or 5.7L with the 8 speed for 10 years now, and then they just decide they have to try something different lol. Classic big Corp management wanting to put their stamp on things.
The best of Chrysler was when Mercedes owned them. HEMI, Pentastar V6, RWD platform and even the previous Grand Cherokee/Durango platform all developed or introduced during Mercedes tenure.
IDK. I would say the best time were mid 80s early 90s. They were still finicky vehicles with poor interior quality but they had longevity. We had an 88 Caravan that lasted us 15 years. The Mitsubishi 6G72 while underpowered in its SOHC configuration it was an engine used for years in many Chrysler and Mitsubishis including the 3000GT (twin turbo version). I also still see the 1st gen Grand Cherokees on the road.
That statement could not be farther from the truth, yes Mercedes gave us the vehicles like the 300/charger and even the grand Cherokee but they also stole all Chryslers money and gave us things like the sprinter van and even the Dart. Mercedes had NOThING to do with the Hemi being released or the pentastar coming out other then they were released on there watch but in the works LOnG before Mercedes was even in the picture. German cars in general are some of the priciest junk yard cars on the road PERIOD!!!
It may have been the best for Chrysler itself, but definitely not for Jeep. They killed the Cherokee, got rid of the legendary inline 6, switched to IFS, and royally screwed up on possible gold mines such as the Commander. The Grand Cherokee was butt ugly, and the Commander had a scary amount of issues from leaking moon roofs to unintended acceleration or shutting down in the road. And the 3.7 that they were putting in their Jeeps was gutless and not even tunable. Mercedes treated Jeep liked a pump and dump.
Yup...I have a dodge magnum RT 2006...I had since 2014...never had a problem.
@@cstyle1917 The Commander gold mine?
This reminds of the time I went to look at a Scion xB 2.4/manual transmission at a very small used car dealership. When I started it for the test drive, every light that dash had was on (It had 120-130k on it). I have to give it credit, with all those lights on it drove smoothly, idled quietly, and was peppy. I still didn’t want to buy it, though.
Imagine the danger this causes when you have very spotty icy, snowy, or even greasy conditions, finally get unstuck, and then lose power steering in a corner. You could wreck and die.
Hate it when it rains grease for some reason and theres grease all over the road
@@t29heavy67 is a figure of speech
@@t29heavy67scumbag
when i was 16 i got a brand new 2013 dart. i drove nice through the 500 miles break in period and around 750 miles my friend and I decided to do some "spirited" driving around the back roads. coming around a long sweeping corner around 4-5k rpm i got the full christmas tree and the car shut off. sat there on the side of the road flipping out that my dad was gonna kill me. pulled the battery for 30 seconds and then reconnected and thankfully it started up and drove with no issues after that. so this is not surprising to me at all
Cannot believe we went from muscle car Chargers and Challengers with bulletproof small block drive trains....to a boring crossover SUV based off an Italian made POS. Amazing.
Fix It Again Tomasina! And I am a Fiat 500L owner... and love it!
I cannot wait to see a retest on this car after the necessary reflashes, etc.
Excellent video. I hope this is not a issue on every model.
This pretty much summed up my one and only experience with owning a Dodge.