For a lower price, the Victus seems like a worthy opponent against Legion 5.With some budget restriction I went for the Victus. Pretty solid laptop tbh
Agreed, although to me the Legion is the clear winner here, nobody can deny that it is definitely a solid comparison when taken into consideration it's prices. Did you get the upgraded screen or went on with the base screen? I'm deciding between the two right now and money's a little tight, would be great if you could share more of your own experience.
Hi, I am thinking of going for the victus as right I can get it with i5 11400/ 16GB RAM/ Rtx 3060/ 144Hz 100% sRGB screen upgrade for 899 € because of a big promotion, but I am still thinking about the screen wobble 😖, that's why I am asking as you are using for some times now, how do you feel about the screen ?
@@falkensteinfallen1288 The screen wobbles yeah, even my G14 screen wobbles, but the truth is.. it only truly wobbles obviously when you're trying to prove it. It shouldn't be too big of a factor if I'm being completely honest with you, don't take my word for it because people might have different opinions. I must say, the wobble isn't even noticeable unless you touch the screen. Besides that, if you're just gonna be sitting while gaming/doing work stuff it isn't gonna bother you at all and that's the truth. Edit: If your desk or workplace is wobbly then it will really be an annoyance.
@@falkensteinfallen1288 If you're afraid of jumping the gun make sure to get it from a company that has flexible return policy. That's my best piece of advice.
@@waniskandar4612 First thank you for the rapid answer, I am glad to tell that my desk don't wobble 😂. The thing is that I am a student so sometimes I move and do some work in some bad position 😅, it depend on where I am though. The pc seem great, so I think I will get it. I thank you again.
@@GhostSlayerYT but, like, cost to performance ratio? At the price point, there's better options honestly. Though the design is cool as hell, and I almost bought the X17. Yeah, my Legion 7i is a lot better
@@GhostSlayerYT the college student who's paying for it, aka me. If cost is no issue for you, then get whatever the hell you want. But it is a fact that Alienware isn't the top of the line, especially in it's price range
@@GhostSlayerYT if you care bout price to performance or features then yeah it is the best out right now. If you care about battery life then maybe there are better but again you will almost always pay more for those like the asus models etc. Well besides the shitty asus laptops like the tuf line.
I mean Legion is often called as best for this year, and victus is lower tier (Omen should be better comparison for Legion 5) so we all knew where this is going 🙈
a comparison beetween omen 16's i7 11800H - 3060 115W (with mux too) v.s. legion 5's 5800H - 3060 130W would be an interesting one tho, and the price is almost identical (with omen 16 a lil bit cheaper)
Agreed. I don't think it's a good comparison. The 3060 should be further split into 3 sections. 75W, 100W, 125W and then compared. Moving from one subtier to another drastically increases price
@@Respecta1512 11800h is slightly better for gaming, the extra 15 watts don't make too much of a difference because of diminishing returns so it would be pretty close I think (keep also in mind it doesn't always boost to 130w)
@@suschilegge1683 yea I agree with u, but the omen too the same, it doesn't always boost to 115, heck the official cs said that its a 100W version. Nevertheless, yea considering the 1rx8 ram sticks on omen it may be slightly better it just doesn't have gsync
Thanks to the comprehensive comparisons and reviews, i got a legion 5 2021 a month ago and I couldn't be happier. In Turkey, it is a matter of life and death to get a decent laptop and a "tiny" $200 difference means a lot more due to our "precious" currency and you have to think twice before acting anything economically. Thank you again Jarrod! Also I want to mention that you have a great taste in music! Rock on brother 🎸
@@JarrodsTech Why don't Lenovo make a 17.3 inch 16:9 or 16:10 Legion 5 Pro with 1440P or 1600P resolution? That would literally be the perfect laptop! L5P screen is just too small in my opinion.
I bow down to legion..Heads down after having so much of personal experience with all windows Laptop brand. I found legion to be best combination of minimal, stylish, best build, performance, cooling and many more..
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
I mean, Victus is good looking and everything which I love it.. but every laptop gets compared with the Legion 5, that probably means it is the best choice which no other laptop had a good balance to take Legion's place for comparisons.
Yes, but as seen here, the victus was trading blows with it. And seems to beat it massively on value. Infact, the real champs are the tong fang chassis laptops. So the legion is pretty poor value. Its like the people who used to think alienware was the best. It wasn't. Same here.
The Legion 60Wh 3060 I can buy is superior on 2 key points. The rear port setup and the usb c charging offer enormously superior flexibility imo. Not having type C charging is just not wanting to sell your product if you released them over the last year. Better screen is bonus. That said the Victus looks better and has better cpu for the same price where I am at. Slightly larger battery at 70 Wh, better speakers. The biggest downside on the legion to me is the fan problem. I'll have to see if I can live with that. But the port, charging flexibility is more important to me than if there is an ever so slightly bigger battery, the speakers and (hopefully) the noise. I would pick the Victus if it had type C charging probably. Even at these price points you have to make compromise sadly apparently.
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
@@lalabeauty8121 from those options... Lenovo and the Asus are the best looking.. Lenovo is balanced and has everything you need for a minimum of 5+ years Asus has a better GPU but has half of the Lenovo's RAM which I hope is upgradable.. I would take the Strix g16 just because it has a better GPU and the RAM is a part which is usually upgradable.. in simple terms, I've looked it on the user benchmark and the higher number the better, and I trust ASUS and Lenovo Laptops, Acer is usually not the ones anyone would suggest
Legions prices are crazy this year. Last year they were the best value laptops, this year 3060 Legion is more expensive than a 3060 Zephyrus G14 where I live. If it weren't for no additional M.2 slot on Zephyrus (I need it for additional SSD, as I have one from my old PC) I'd be daily driving a G14 despite much lower GPU TGP, as the overall quality is much better. Not to say that Legions are low quality, but they just don't compare when the pricing is similar. So... I am waiting for black friday deals, I guess.
@@gderioaryaputrarahadi9400 in February we had pretty sweet deals for last year models (4600H+2060 for around 650$), but now even last year models are more expensive than when they released.
The real biggie is that due to fluctuating prices, can you really decide on whether to get the Legion or the Victus? You may say he'll yeah, but you know the moment you buy the Victus the price for the Legion will drop, ie sales etc.
@@garymiles484 I almost bought a Victus about a month ago. Seemd like a good deal, with 1TB SSD and 100% sRGB 300 nits panel for around 1000$. Turns out, shop had a mistake in specs, good panel option isn't available anywhere, it was the same as Jarrod has. Shame. Whatever I'll end up buying, I won't check laptops pricings for months after that, lol. Buyer's remorse is inevitable otherwise :)
Currently enjoying mine (though it's ryzen 5600H variant) and playing just in quiet mode to keep up with the cooling part but still get 144+fps. Also it's way cheaper than legion
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
While I love Lenovo laptops, I would go for that Asus or Acer if it fits your budget. Better CPU (if you go for the R9) and GPU (Higher TDP than the slim 5), and also better cooling for the higher TDP due to not being slimmed down. Both are great, though. Slim 5 for portability with decent power, G16 or Acer Predator for all out performance@@lalabeauty8121
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
Please do a price to performance comparison between all the amd mobile GPU Radeon Rx 6600m vs rx 6700m vs rx 6800m.Wich do you think is the best in respect to the Nvidia's offering
@@neerajthakur708 Listen man. Does jarrod tech know the indian market or pricing structure? No. He doesn't. Infact he uses american pricing. So he'll go off that. You'll have to use your head and figure out for yourself in India which laptop holds the price to performance title. And hint, it ain't lenovo legion 5 like jarrod might suggest.
IDK about 'better' but the Legion 5s definitely hit the right balance between price, performance and features across the different configs. If the question you're asking is "I have X dollars, what is the best thing i can buy for that money" the answer most likely will be a Legion. There are some tradeoffs but they check all the boxes (Gsync, MUX, high refresh, higher TDP, etc.) it's not the best in any of these categories but it's a solid 8 across them
a comparison beetween omen 16's i7 11800H - 3060 115W (with mux too) v.s. legion 5's 5800H - 3060 130W would be an interesting one tho, and the price is almost identical (with omen 16 a lil bit cheaper)
Yeah i would like to see one. But in my country it is legion that is cheaper somehow. Considering the 16 because of the separate mDP and ports on the side instead of the back
6:12 What the hell happened to the Victus? Did it come like that? The solo thinner heat-pipe to the right of the bottom went (as shown) is severely damaged. Scrolled through all 223 (at this time) comments and literally only 1 other person noticed it. Jarrod?
You have some serious Psychokinesis abilities !!! I was thinking about this comparison for the past hour and the moment I opened TH-cam, There it was !! Excellent video
I got the Victus at Costco because it was $200 dollars off for the 1tb, 16gb, 5800h, 3050ti mix. It was a good game and a replacement for my seven year old HP Pavilion Laptop. If I could of gotten a Legion or MSI laptop of similar design for $900 I would have.
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
How one earth are you getting this much battery backup from these laptops? I've tried doing everything in power, and discussed a lot within posts on Reddit, and nothing helps. The most one can do is severely undervolt their CPU, bring down the refresh date, and take other drastic steps of this sort to maybe extract a 5-hour battery out of the Legion 5.
btw is there a Video explaining Glossy vs Matte screens? would love to see it, between the differences in Content Creation Business and Gaming or Movie watching
Glossy = usually slightly better colors, but reflect everything (like a mirror pretty much) Matte = usually slightly worse colors, but no reflections Never go for a glossy panel, you will hate it, trust me, it's terrible. Besides - it's much less true nowadays, even cheaper matte panels have very good colors and brightness now. There is zero advantages for going gloss. Unless you want to see yourself and everything behind you instead of the screen. Just google for more info.
In Finland a victus with 3050 and 8gb of ram costs 1100E and a legion 5 with 16gb and a 3060 runs about 1150-1200 without a sale and you can find them on 10-15% sale in every shop (some have the lower spec one on sale and some the higher one) So L5 ends up about 100-170d cheaper with way better specs XD
@@siyzerix The laptop is $1700 here in my country (Bulgaria). I have looked at the other brands but cannot see anything better than that. My second choice is Asus Rog Strix
@@namank5291 it's been doing pretty well, but I think it's a bit overpowered for my own use to the point that I think I'm just wasting electricity. Only thing that's questionable for me is the fan noise, it's not really that loud but you can hear it even when it's in idle. I got an Acer Swift 3 and it doesn't go loud even in max usage.
Victus's hinges looked too fragile so I went with the Legion 5 and overall I am happy with it. Only thing I hate is the keyboard. Feedback of the keys and typing on it feels kinda weird compared to HP Victus. But overall I'd recommend it. Solid laptop.
i agree more than the keyboard is the friggin touchpad is so horrific like ive used laptops half the price with a better touch pad not that it matters much but i recommend a mechanical keyboard to solve that small problem even if its second hand its good stuff
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
Jarrod, I fricken LOVE the Legion series from lenovo, but hot damn... its HARD to find the model that I want IN-STOCK anywhere in Europe Q_Q I've been sending emails for MONTHS now to different sellers and all I get is "yeah, we have no idea when those will be in stock (RTX3070 + i7 11800)"... I PRAY to the gods of RNG that I can get one at Black Friday November sales (if stock appears then), if not... it will be a sad, sad year for me
when i was looking for a PC, these 2 were the ones i compared. allthough i got Lenovo Legion 5 with non-rgb keyboard (not sure if it has x16 memory or x8, all i know is that it has 2 8GB sticks as usual) for 1274€. the Victus 16 model i was comparing was Intel i7 11800H 512GB RTX 3060 16GB ram for 1400€. this was at the time when some nice discounts were up, the Lenovo model was reduced from 1500€ and also offered a promotion for a free gaming pack (headset+mouse+pad) (140€~ worth) i think me choosing Legion was a better decision, had to spend less money on it. it doesnt habe RGB keyboard which i dont really care, it would be cool if i had it but without it, not really an issue, uses up more battery and creates unnecessary traffic for the battery while gaming
I just bought the Lenovo legion 5 with Ryzen 5600H processor, Nvidia RTX 3070 graphics, 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 Ram in Germany on offer for 1175€. Did i get a good deal?
it is possible, but the hardware would have to be configured for it to begin with. Alienware did this recently where there mux switch was physically there but they was no way of using it through software. They later made it available through a bios update. If the laptop doesn't physically have the mux switch though, there will be no way of doing a software update in the future to make it have one.
Thank you so much for the information Jarrod. I'm a fan of yours and looking up to you. Like your so intelligent when it comes to technology and when it comes to helping people, you're doing really amazing. Please stay safe and more quality content. Looking forward to become a good tech TH-camr someday because of you!!! Thank youuuu!!!
Hp envy x360 vs hp pavillion gaming vs hp victus 16 ..ryzen 7 .. which laptop is good for video editing and graphics work ... pls suggest bro ... I'm in urgent need
Today i went for a victus 16. It has a ryzen 7 7640HS 7th gen CPU RTX 4060 8GB Vram 16GB DDR5 memory. And all that for 1050 euros. The legion 5 looks and feels more premium in my opinion but with an AMD RYZEN 7 5800H 5TH gen 16gb DDR4 memory RTX 3060 6GB Vram. Total price 1500 euros. There is a big difference in price. You do get a 1440p screen instead of 1080p. However that didnt justify the price difference for me so i went for the Victus. More bang for your buck in my opinion.
if you can wait few months then yeah, better wait the thing is, even when the 12th gen chips come out alongside the DDR5 (and maybe 4000 series GPU?) you would also have to wait for the review AND if you want to be 100% sure that you get the best one, you would also wait for Jarrod's 2022 best Laptop review which would come out around November 2022.. for now it is the best time to buy the best 11th gen or Ryzen CPU alongside the Graphics and RAM in DDR4, with the price around 1500$-1800$
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hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
I just noticed a consistent drop in prices in laptops in Poland. Its not big but it is consistent among all models, maybe new GPU/CPUs are coming out soon?
Great video as always, thanks! Can't really find Victus with these specs in stores here (Ukraine) so I'm just waiting for Black Friday deals to get a 3060 Legion, didn't find anything better for this price.
Hey, I was wondering what compares better. So here are the specs Lenovo legion 5 ( Ryzen 5 5600h, 8gb ram, rtx 3050ti ) OR HP victus 15 ( Ryzen 7 5800h, 16gb ram, rtx 3050ti )THOUGH the victus had a ton of reviews saying the screen is terrible, and don't recommend it.
Hi Jarrod, I could really use your help, please, you might be one of the TH-camrs who I think knows the most about laptops, and I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Could you ask me the questions you need to help me find the best laptop for me (I don't really want to give you 2 or 3 criteria so that afterwards you tell me you need more information) thank you very much
Im replaced my 14 month legion 5 for a victus. I had the unforunately very commun problem in the legion screem, so I dont recomend the legion. There´s many ppl that change the display and a few months later had the same issue.
Do you recommend waiting for intel alder lake laptops or buying the current legion 5? I am not in a hurry but just want to know if it will be worth the wait.
he told in one of his Videos that it is better to wait if you're not in a hurry but I don't know about the 4000 series Nvidia release date and how they will perform, basically it is the best time to buy these Laptops since we need to wait for the Laptops actually to come out and also to get a decent review from Jarrod in the newer CPU's, DDR5 RAM's and the newest GPU's
@@Yakikitsu Thanks mate, just ordered L5 pro RTX 3070, USD 2200 in my country but I will have to suck it up since it is its best price since launch here.
Victus 16 is just put on sale with R5 5600H 8GB RAM RTX 3050 configuration is now just over $600. And they also threw in additonal 8 GB RAM a wireless gaming mouse and in ear headset too. I'm getting one.
Hi. Thanks alot for comp. Can I ask ur opinion? Which one of tnem is better in cooling system. Now chose between legion5pro and Victus16. Both of them is based on 12700 + 3060
Idk about lenovo but i just brought victus(2022) like 2 days ago and themps are pretty good. The fans are a tiny bit loud but that's a trade off that I'll take for lower temps. It does get a lil warm after a while but nothing too crazy. Also the only area that gets warm is the center of the keyboard, which is good because your hands are mostly gonna be on the sides not the centet
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For a lower price, the Victus seems like a worthy opponent against Legion 5.With some budget restriction I went for the Victus. Pretty solid laptop tbh
Agreed, although to me the Legion is the clear winner here, nobody can deny that it is definitely a solid comparison when taken into consideration it's prices. Did you get the upgraded screen or went on with the base screen? I'm deciding between the two right now and money's a little tight, would be great if you could share more of your own experience.
Hi, I am thinking of going for the victus as right I can get it with i5 11400/ 16GB RAM/ Rtx 3060/ 144Hz 100% sRGB screen upgrade for 899 € because of a big promotion, but I am still thinking about the screen wobble 😖, that's why I am asking as you are using for some times now, how do you feel about the screen ?
@@falkensteinfallen1288 The screen wobbles yeah, even my G14 screen wobbles, but the truth is.. it only truly wobbles obviously when you're trying to prove it. It shouldn't be too big of a factor if I'm being completely honest with you, don't take my word for it because people might have different opinions. I must say, the wobble isn't even noticeable unless you touch the screen. Besides that, if you're just gonna be sitting while gaming/doing work stuff it isn't gonna bother you at all and that's the truth.
Edit: If your desk or workplace is wobbly then it will really be an annoyance.
@@falkensteinfallen1288 If you're afraid of jumping the gun make sure to get it from a company that has flexible return policy. That's my best piece of advice.
@@waniskandar4612 First thank you for the rapid answer, I am glad to tell that my desk don't wobble 😂. The thing is that I am a student so sometimes I move and do some work in some bad position 😅, it depend on where I am though. The pc seem great, so I think I will get it. I thank you again.
In another episode of my Lenovo legion 5 Vs the world
World > Lenovo
Alienware> World
Alienware takes over the world.
Your spec
@@GhostSlayerYT but, like, cost to performance ratio? At the price point, there's better options honestly. Though the design is cool as hell, and I almost bought the X17. Yeah, my Legion 7i is a lot better
@@elijahdiaz5914 who cares about price lol
@@GhostSlayerYT the college student who's paying for it, aka me. If cost is no issue for you, then get whatever the hell you want. But it is a fact that Alienware isn't the top of the line, especially in it's price range
Jarrod: Which gaming laptop is better? Lenovo's Legion 5 or...?
Me: Okay Jarrod, let's not pretend. We both know...
You know the Legion is the best because it's literally the benchmark of comparison lol
No bruh
Legion is NOT the best laptop
There are soo many better ones out there
Legion is just overrated
@@GhostSlayerYT if you care bout price to performance or features then yeah it is the best out right now. If you care about battery life then maybe there are better but again you will almost always pay more for those like the asus models etc. Well besides the shitty asus laptops like the tuf line.
@@GhostSlayerYT Name some better laptops at this price range. I dare you
@@danebeee1 alienware
I mean Legion is often called as best for this year, and victus is lower tier (Omen should be better comparison for Legion 5) so we all knew where this is going 🙈
Well a lot people requested this video so...
a comparison beetween omen 16's i7 11800H - 3060 115W (with mux too) v.s. legion 5's 5800H - 3060 130W would be an interesting one tho, and the price is almost identical (with omen 16 a lil bit cheaper)
Agreed. I don't think it's a good comparison. The 3060 should be further split into 3 sections. 75W, 100W, 125W and then compared. Moving from one subtier to another drastically increases price
@@Respecta1512 11800h is slightly better for gaming, the extra 15 watts don't make too much of a difference because of diminishing returns so it would be pretty close I think (keep also in mind it doesn't always boost to 130w)
@@suschilegge1683 yea I agree with u, but the omen too the same, it doesn't always boost to 115, heck the official cs said that its a 100W version. Nevertheless, yea considering the 1rx8 ram sticks on omen it may be slightly better it just doesn't have gsync
Thanks to the comprehensive comparisons and reviews, i got a legion 5 2021 a month ago and I couldn't be happier. In Turkey, it is a matter of life and death to get a decent laptop and a "tiny" $200 difference means a lot more due to our "precious" currency and you have to think twice before acting anything economically. Thank you again Jarrod! Also I want to mention that you have a great taste in music! Rock on brother 🎸
merhaba mert. what about the fan noise when you are surfing or watching a movie? is it running and is it loud?
@@MrShref-mp5if external usb speakers and youll watch a movie like fans never existed
Can I ask where u got it from? Trendyol or an actual store? Cuz can't find any in actual stores
And would you recommend it for creating content? Cuz if the fan is loud that would be an issue while recording, thank you
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@@JarrodsTech Why don't Lenovo make a 17.3 inch 16:9 or 16:10 Legion 5 Pro with 1440P or 1600P resolution? That would literally be the perfect laptop! L5P screen is just too small in my opinion.
Great video. I prefer the HP Victus. I had a good offer for the 32GB RAM version, i7 11800H and 3060... I'm waiting for it.
I bow down to legion..Heads down after having so much of personal experience with all windows Laptop brand. I found legion to be best combination of minimal, stylish, best build, performance, cooling and many more..
Yeah but where i live it cost like 1300 € while the victus is a solid 800 💀
@@JA-ds5nq You should opt online and on sale... Legion is mostly bought on sales as its very expensive
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
I mean, Victus is good looking and everything which I love it..
but every laptop gets compared with the Legion 5, that probably means it is the best choice which no other laptop had a good balance to take Legion's place for comparisons.
Yes, but as seen here, the victus was trading blows with it. And seems to beat it massively on value. Infact, the real champs are the tong fang chassis laptops.
So the legion is pretty poor value. Its like the people who used to think alienware was the best. It wasn't. Same here.
The Legion 60Wh 3060 I can buy is superior on 2 key points.
The rear port setup and the usb c charging offer enormously superior flexibility imo.
Not having type C charging is just not wanting to sell your product if you released them over the last year.
Better screen is bonus.
That said the Victus looks better and has better cpu for the same price where I am at. Slightly larger battery at 70 Wh, better speakers.
The biggest downside on the legion to me is the fan problem. I'll have to see if I can live with that.
But the port, charging flexibility is more important to me than if there is an ever so slightly bigger battery, the speakers and (hopefully) the noise.
I would pick the Victus if it had type C charging probably.
Even at these price points you have to make compromise sadly apparently.
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
@@lalabeauty8121 from those options...
Lenovo and the Asus are the best looking..
Lenovo is balanced and has everything you need for a minimum of 5+ years
Asus has a better GPU but has half of the Lenovo's RAM which I hope is upgradable..
I would take the Strix g16 just because it has a better GPU and the RAM is a part which is usually upgradable..
in simple terms, I've looked it on the user benchmark and the higher number the better, and I trust ASUS and Lenovo Laptops, Acer is usually not the ones anyone would suggest
Legions prices are crazy this year. Last year they were the best value laptops, this year 3060 Legion is more expensive than a 3060 Zephyrus G14 where I live. If it weren't for no additional M.2 slot on Zephyrus (I need it for additional SSD, as I have one from my old PC) I'd be daily driving a G14 despite much lower GPU TGP, as the overall quality is much better. Not to say that Legions are low quality, but they just don't compare when the pricing is similar.
So... I am waiting for black friday deals, I guess.
@@gderioaryaputrarahadi9400 in February we had pretty sweet deals for last year models (4600H+2060 for around 650$), but now even last year models are more expensive than when they released.
The real biggie is that due to fluctuating prices, can you really decide on whether to get the Legion or the Victus? You may say he'll yeah, but you know the moment you buy the Victus the price for the Legion will drop, ie sales etc.
@@garymiles484 I almost bought a Victus about a month ago. Seemd like a good deal, with 1TB SSD and 100% sRGB 300 nits panel for around 1000$. Turns out, shop had a mistake in specs, good panel option isn't available anywhere, it was the same as Jarrod has. Shame.
Whatever I'll end up buying, I won't check laptops pricings for months after that, lol. Buyer's remorse is inevitable otherwise :)
@@gderioaryaputrarahadi9400 boy, have to admit it, you have it way worse than where I live :)
A Legion 5 when it's on sale for $1300-$1500 is a no-brainer, but at its regular MSRP you can do much better.
In my opinion, victus is the best out of these. I like the looks of it, and has very good performance.
Currently enjoying mine (though it's ryzen 5600H variant) and playing just in quiet mode to keep up with the cooling part but still get 144+fps. Also it's way cheaper than legion
the design is sexy as hell
also that keyboard has to be the best feeling laptop keyboard i've ever experienced
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
While I love Lenovo laptops, I would go for that Asus or Acer if it fits your budget. Better CPU (if you go for the R9) and GPU (Higher TDP than the slim 5), and also better cooling for the higher TDP due to not being slimmed down. Both are great, though. Slim 5 for portability with decent power, G16 or Acer Predator for all out performance@@lalabeauty8121
Legion is great, too bad it costs like 35-40℅ more than the Victus for similar configs (except GPU TDP) in my region
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
The effort in this is crazy, well done
Thanks!
Dont even need a laptop but still watching
Great content!
Please do a price to performance comparison between all the amd mobile GPU Radeon Rx 6600m vs rx 6700m vs rx 6800m.Wich do you think is the best in respect to the Nvidia's offering
That'll be interesting..
Yeahhh... AMD looses. Even in the US. And outside of US, nvidia beats them.
@@siyzerix It would be more reassuring if Jarrod's Tech said that
@@neerajthakur708 Listen man. Does jarrod tech know the indian market or pricing structure? No. He doesn't.
Infact he uses american pricing. So he'll go off that. You'll have to use your head and figure out for yourself in India which laptop holds the price to performance title. And hint, it ain't lenovo legion 5 like jarrod might suggest.
@@siyzerix Which is it then? please enlighten us. You great Indian genius!
god look at that heatpipe smashed at 16:53
7:55 This fonction is now on Y540 with an updat via the Lenovo Vantage I'm so freelin happy that's he included this very useful function
Thanks for sharing
@@JarrodsTech It's normal to inform people
@@JarrodsTech So after few test idk if that's a bug but that's seems to work only when the laptop it's plugged in strange but better than nothing
Welcome to an another episode of "Jarrod's Legion 5 vs Laptops"
IDK about 'better' but the Legion 5s definitely hit the right balance between price, performance and features across the different configs. If the question you're asking is "I have X dollars, what is the best thing i can buy for that money" the answer most likely will be a Legion. There are some tradeoffs but they check all the boxes (Gsync, MUX, high refresh, higher TDP, etc.) it's not the best in any of these categories but it's a solid 8 across them
a comparison beetween omen 16's i7 11800H - 3060 115W (with mux too) v.s. legion 5's 5800H - 3060 130W would be an interesting one tho, and the price is almost identical (with omen 16 a lil bit cheaper)
Agreed 👍
HP still haven't sent any omen 16 :(
@@JarrodsTech too bad :( I hope they will sent one out for you soon. Been loving your vids man, keep up the good work
Yeah i would like to see one. But in my country it is legion that is cheaper somehow. Considering the 16 because of the separate mDP and ports on the side instead of the back
6:12 What the hell happened to the Victus? Did it come like that? The solo thinner heat-pipe to the right of the bottom went (as shown) is severely damaged.
Scrolled through all 223 (at this time) comments and literally only 1 other person noticed it.
Jarrod?
Hmm how did that happen? Don't tell me the build quality is that crappy.
You have some serious Psychokinesis abilities !!! I was thinking about this comparison for the past hour and the moment I opened TH-cam, There it was !! Excellent video
Loving all the videos Jarrod!!!
Loved it...always wanted this comparision ❤️
Glad you liked it!!
Good job. Please bring out more popular laptop vs popular laptop like these 👍🏻
Would love to see Victus vs Ideapad gaming 3 vs Acer nitro.
Their base model that would be a really good comparison. To see the best budget laptop
the ipg3 looks humble and beautiful
Woah I did not expect Victus put out so much competition.
A much needed comparison, thanks!
I got the Victus at Costco because it was $200 dollars off for the 1tb, 16gb, 5800h, 3050ti mix. It was a good game and a replacement for my seven year old HP Pavilion Laptop. If I could of gotten a Legion or MSI laptop of similar design for $900 I would have.
yeah but you probably couldn't
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
This is the video I was waiting for... Jarrod you somehow know what we want...thank's a lot man....👍
Great vid! ❤️
How one earth are you getting this much battery backup from these laptops? I've tried doing everything in power, and discussed a lot within posts on Reddit, and nothing helps. The most one can do is severely undervolt their CPU, bring down the refresh date, and take other drastic steps of this sort to maybe extract a 5-hour battery out of the Legion 5.
Going strong with my 2020 legion 🔥🔥
@Burhanuddin Bhinderwala yessir 🔥🔥
is the 2060 so bad compared to the 3060?
@@derekhatake yea 20fps difernce soo it’s huge diference.
gang bro
Same. Rocking the 1660 ti
Been using the victus for a few months, I like it. Definitely like it.
what a great comparison video!
btw is there a Video explaining Glossy vs Matte screens?
would love to see it, between the differences in Content Creation Business and Gaming or Movie watching
Glossy = usually slightly better colors, but reflect everything (like a mirror pretty much)
Matte = usually slightly worse colors, but no reflections
Never go for a glossy panel, you will hate it, trust me, it's terrible. Besides - it's much less true nowadays, even cheaper matte panels have very good colors and brightness now. There is zero advantages for going gloss. Unless you want to see yourself and everything behind you instead of the screen.
Just google for more info.
In Finland a victus with 3050 and 8gb of ram costs 1100E and a legion 5 with 16gb and a 3060 runs about 1150-1200 without a sale and you can find them on 10-15% sale in every shop (some have the lower spec one on sale and some the higher one) So L5 ends up about 100-170d cheaper with way better specs XD
Honestly thanks for your videos man! I'm picking a new laptop next month and you've been so helpful! (psst I'll go for Legion 5 pro)
Don't man. Just do your research. Seriously. The legion 5 pro might be overpriced.
+1
@@siyzerix The laptop is $1700 here in my country (Bulgaria). I have looked at the other brands but cannot see anything better than that. My second choice is Asus Rog Strix
@@SvetoslavStoyanov8 What about gigabyte g5? Ideapad with 3060? 2060 options? 3070 laptops? Etc.
Even in India a 3070 laptop costs about $1800.
Hey jarrod great video. I understand if you don't but would you possibly be able to give Australian prices too?
I was planning to buy a Victus but it was suspicious so I got a Legion 5 Pro instead since the shop also had a stock.
How has it been, even in thinking to go for victus instead
Good choice I am planning to do the same....rtx 3070 and 1tb ssd is boom with 32gb ram..
@@namank5291 it's been doing pretty well, but I think it's a bit overpowered for my own use to the point that I think I'm just wasting electricity. Only thing that's questionable for me is the fan noise, it's not really that loud but you can hear it even when it's in idle. I got an Acer Swift 3 and it doesn't go loud even in max usage.
Victus's hinges looked too fragile so I went with the Legion 5 and overall I am happy with it. Only thing I hate is the keyboard. Feedback of the keys and typing on it feels kinda weird compared to HP Victus. But overall I'd recommend it. Solid laptop.
i agree more than the keyboard is the friggin touchpad is so horrific like ive used laptops half the price with a better touch pad not that it matters much but i recommend a mechanical keyboard to solve that small problem even if its second hand its good stuff
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
Jarrod, I fricken LOVE the Legion series from lenovo, but hot damn... its HARD to find the model that I want IN-STOCK anywhere in Europe Q_Q
I've been sending emails for MONTHS now to different sellers and all I get is "yeah, we have no idea when those will be in stock (RTX3070 + i7 11800)"...
I PRAY to the gods of RNG that I can get one at Black Friday November sales (if stock appears then), if not... it will be a sad, sad year for me
Good luck :(
when i was looking for a PC, these 2 were the ones i compared. allthough i got Lenovo Legion 5 with non-rgb keyboard (not sure if it has x16 memory or x8, all i know is that it has 2 8GB sticks as usual) for 1274€. the Victus 16 model i was comparing was Intel i7 11800H 512GB RTX 3060 16GB ram for 1400€. this was at the time when some nice discounts were up, the Lenovo model was reduced from 1500€ and also offered a promotion for a free gaming pack (headset+mouse+pad) (140€~ worth)
i think me choosing Legion was a better decision, had to spend less money on it. it doesnt habe RGB keyboard which i dont really care, it would be cool if i had it but without it, not really an issue, uses up more battery and creates unnecessary traffic for the battery while gaming
THX for the video... I was wondering Would you covered the Helios 300 (i7 11800h + rtx 3060)
Thanks bro,will buy Victus,it's really cool for his price
Lenovo legion is about 10% more expensive for the same quality and specs so the Victus would be a better option here
Its totally diff specs especially in the tdp range of the rtx 3060... 90 to 100+ watt is a huge % diff
I just bought the Lenovo legion 5 with Ryzen 5600H processor, Nvidia RTX 3070 graphics, 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 Ram in Germany on offer for 1175€. Did i get a good deal?
Interesting to see how the new macbooks perform whilst gaming via Cross Over
Hi Jarrod I'm an avid fan of your contents. I just wanna ask if a laptop with no mux switch can have one through software updates?
it is possible, but the hardware would have to be configured for it to begin with.
Alienware did this recently where there mux switch was physically there but they was no way of using it through software. They later made it available through a bios update.
If the laptop doesn't physically have the mux switch though, there will be no way of doing a software update in the future to make it have one.
Thank you so much for the information Jarrod. I'm a fan of yours and looking up to you. Like your so intelligent when it comes to technology and when it comes to helping people, you're doing really amazing. Please stay safe and more quality content. Looking forward to become a good tech TH-camr someday because of you!!! Thank youuuu!!!
Hp envy x360 vs hp pavillion gaming vs hp victus 16 ..ryzen 7 .. which laptop is good for video editing and graphics work ... pls suggest bro ... I'm in urgent need
Intel Wifi is not detected on the Victus. It may be blacklisted in the Bios. Whatever, mine has no Wifi now, but it's connected by cable anyway =D
Today i went for a victus 16.
It has a ryzen 7 7640HS 7th gen CPU
RTX 4060 8GB Vram
16GB DDR5 memory. And all that for 1050 euros.
The legion 5 looks and feels more premium in my opinion but with an
AMD RYZEN 7 5800H 5TH gen
16gb DDR4 memory
RTX 3060 6GB Vram. Total price 1500 euros. There is a big difference in price. You do get a 1440p screen instead of 1080p. However that didnt justify the price difference for me so i went for the Victus. More bang for your buck in my opinion.
Is it worth getting a legion 5 now when intel 12 gen chips have been announced? Should i wait a few months or get one now?
if you can wait few months then yeah, better wait
the thing is, even when the 12th gen chips come out alongside the DDR5 (and maybe 4000 series GPU?)
you would also have to wait for the review AND if you want to be 100% sure that you get the best one, you would also wait for Jarrod's 2022 best Laptop review which would come out around November 2022..
for now it is the best time to buy the best 11th gen or Ryzen CPU alongside the Graphics and RAM in DDR4, with the price around 1500$-1800$
If Wifi Adapter is not getting detected in any recent laptop with ubundu install mainline application and update linux kernal. This will sort out the issue.
wtf I don't see any reviews with intel , is the ryzen better ?
Hello, are the SSDs Gen 4?
Bewteen a5600h legion 5 and a 11400h legion 5 which one is the best and why please ?
Would you recommend victus? Im on a tight budget pkus i dont really game that hard.
This is exactly what i want to see when searching for vs video
What prevents hackers from hacking dashlane and having all just like that?
The Victus's screen wobble is a major deal breaker, at least for me, everything else about it seems better than the Legion, what a shame
im using hp victus and i didnt find the screen wobble as an issue.
@@lightningtech1030 Good for you i guess.
@@lightningtech1030 yes I am also using it it's a beast.
hi. i wanna buy laptop and i have to use it maybe like 8 years. laptops are 2x expensive in my country so for my budget i am between this four: lenovo legion slim 5 i7 13700h - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd - ddr5 double channel 32 gb ram and acer predator 16 i9 13900hx - rtx 4070 - 1 tb ssd 16 gb ram. and asus rog strix g16 i7 13650HX-RTX4080 12Gb-16Gb-1Tb- and Ryzen 9 7845HX-RTX4070 8Gb-16Gb-1Tb Ssd. which and why i should buy ?
I just noticed a consistent drop in prices in laptops in Poland. Its not big but it is consistent among all models, maybe new GPU/CPUs are coming out soon?
Great video as always, thanks! Can't really find Victus with these specs in stores here (Ukraine) so I'm just waiting for Black Friday deals to get a 3060 Legion, didn't find anything better for this price.
Я Купив за 36000 ryzen 5800h rtx 3060 2k 165hz 16gb озу 1tb ssd
@@Максим-в4м1л как вам ноутбук?
Help deciding 😅 Both have the same price.
- Legion 5(2021) Ryzen 7 5800h, RTX 3060 QHD 165Hz. 100% sRGB. 300nits.
-Asus tuf A15 (2022) Ryzen 7 6800h, RTX 3060 FHD 144Hz.62.5% sRGB. 250nits
What's the cooling pad used? Thanks.
Goodwork bro 👍🏻
*My legion 5 seems to have a slightly thicker black bar on the right side of the display*
I discovered it after 1 month of usage tho.
get it replaced asap
I want you to review Acer Nitro 5 Ryzen 7 RTX 3050 please if it’s way better or at least in the top5 or top10
My victus 16 lasts for only 3 hours while browsing the Internet or watching a 1920x1080 video. Should I return it and get a new one?
Mine too friend, I think it's normal
Great comparison!
Thanks!
@@JarrodsTech I freaking LOVE how everyone is just ignoring a *smashed pipe* in the Victus...
can CUDA application in linux use the optimus function in the victus?
If possible can you compare either of these with Macbook Pro 14 ?
Does the Victus 16 have an additional slot for installing another SSD card? say, another 2 tb?
is the victus usb-c port usable for video output ?
Hey, I was wondering what compares better. So here are the specs
Lenovo legion 5 ( Ryzen 5 5600h, 8gb ram, rtx 3050ti )
OR
HP victus 15 ( Ryzen 7 5800h, 16gb ram, rtx 3050ti )THOUGH the victus had a ton of reviews saying the screen is terrible, and don't recommend it.
Nice comparison!
So is a Legion 5 pro better than a Legion 7? I’m confused what’s a Slim and 5i?
Jarrod could u review the Msi katana gf66? Thanks
Is the 1440 screen upgrade worth it? I want to have a 4K screen laptop for my next upgrade (still using a 2011 Samsung SF410)
What is better? Legion 5 with R7 4800h + gtx1660ti 6gb + 16gb ram VS hp victus R5 5600h + rtx3050 + 16gb ram?
My only concern is the legion 5´s screen cuz i think colors in lenovo legion 5 s screen is quiet and cold
where did he get that white hp victus from, I dont see that option?
Hi Jarrod, I could really use your help, please, you might be one of the TH-camrs who I think knows the most about laptops, and I'm looking for a gaming laptop. Could you ask me the questions you need to help me find the best laptop for me (I don't really want to give you 2 or 3 criteria so that afterwards you tell me you need more information) thank you very much
I have 1 problem with my legion 5.
I cant find secure boot in the bios.
Im replaced my 14 month legion 5 for a victus. I had the unforunately very commun problem in the legion screem, so I dont recomend the legion. There´s many ppl that change the display and a few months later had the same issue.
Hey Jarrod do a review of base model victus 16
Will the Hp victus yellow in the long run or no?
I think you conjectured a while ago that this year's Legions (maybe 5 Pro or something) have Advanced Optimus. Any update on that?
Yea it does have. My legion 5. Not sure about pro many of my friends said it didnot get out of box
But why on the site from HP to the version with AMD Ryzen is not specified that it has 144Hz?
Everyone knows legion is no.1...but what would be your no.2 pick of laptop???iam seriously considering a laptop with ryzen 5800h and rtx 3060
Probably the Victus. Or the helios 300w with a 11800h and 3060.
@@siyzerix so are you ignoring the fact that hp omen is superior than victus and also asus g15 is also an option and maybe nitro 5 too
@Jarrod'sTech I hope u can review the Acer Swift X.
Do you recommend waiting for intel alder lake laptops or buying the current legion 5? I am not in a hurry but just want to know if it will be worth the wait.
he told in one of his Videos that it is better to wait if you're not in a hurry
but I don't know about the 4000 series Nvidia release date and how they will perform,
basically it is the best time to buy these Laptops
since we need to wait for the Laptops actually to come out and also to get a decent review from Jarrod in the newer CPU's, DDR5 RAM's and the newest GPU's
@@Yakikitsu Thanks mate, just ordered L5 pro RTX 3070, USD 2200 in my country but I will have to suck it up since it is its best price since launch here.
Victus 16 is just put on sale with R5 5600H 8GB RAM RTX 3050 configuration is now just over $600.
And they also threw in additonal 8 GB RAM a wireless gaming mouse and in ear headset too.
I'm getting one.
Can you make a video on the Gigabyte G5?
A mi parecer ganaría victus mas bajo costo , buen rendimiento y sobre todo el ruido de los ventiladores imperceptible
Hello jarrod i just want to take ur opinon what to buy rtx 2080 or 3060 And i want a good gaming laptop with low price plz help me
You should compare victus with nitro, not omen class laptop
Can you review the ideapad gaming 3 the i ve seen someone saying its the cheapest 3060 laptop ever and it look nice
Hi. Thanks alot for comp. Can I ask ur opinion? Which one of tnem is better in cooling system. Now chose between legion5pro and Victus16. Both of them is based on 12700 + 3060
Idk about lenovo but i just brought victus(2022) like 2 days ago and themps are pretty good. The fans are a tiny bit loud but that's a trade off that I'll take for lower temps.
It does get a lil warm after a while but nothing too crazy. Also the only area that gets warm is the center of the keyboard, which is good because your hands are mostly gonna be on the sides not the centet