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- In this video, a young student named Mav accuses Dr. Turek of "having blood on his hands" & presses him on a number of challenging questions related to LGBTQ topics. I hope you find this video helpful. God bless!
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Then honestly I don't agree with Frank Turek's line of questioning. Because if you're not moral then you would be immoral right?
Honestly I believe that Frank Turek is saying everyone have no rights if you don't have a moral standard.
@@thefighter5182 He's not
AMEN Daily Dose of Wisdom back at it with Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry Apologetics 🙏 ❤️ 👊. This guy in the LGBTQIA plus community was using ad hominems and virtue signaling to make an unnecessary point. New Atheism heralded by Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Aaron Ra and others has failed and Michael Shermer is speaking nonsense clinging to questions rather than seeking answers. I've been wanting to study Euclidean mathematics as I'm a 24 year old Christian Apologist working as a teacher and counselor so yeah I see unhealthy information being spread through secular and religious beliefs in families and people all of the time which is why I don't always attend church because I'm studying The Bible alone in DA ZONE 😂. I've been watching Christian Apologetics videos since 2020 so these channels are really helpful especially on TH-cam and social media. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
He wasnt looking to learn anything. He just wanted Frank to bend the knee.
It's not a 'narrow' version of the Gospel-it is the Gospel.
Kid wanted all the benefits with no sacrifice.
They love this sentence and use it convincingly. NARROW MINDED. NARROW THIS, NARROW THAT! *Their views & way of life isn't narrow, but the Gospel and its way of life is narrow to them* . Well, Mathew 7: 13-14 did confirm it to be narrow to all who desire to enter it, so technically, he's right without him knowing he's right.
@@OkA-007 he isn't.... cause that verse is talking about salvation.... cause only few are willing to sacrifice all, for something better (just like CHRIST did)....but he's saying that the REAL gospel is narrow, cause it doesn't allow for what he wants to happen, to happen....hey, I guess you were kinda right after all....
@janickgonzalez8900 - You just repeated what I said, buddy. 😔
I know the verse and it's meaning, hence why I quoted it, and was only sarcastically saying that "they" love using that narrow line without knowing the in-depth meaning, which is what you said.
@@OkA-007 and then i Said that you were right... literally at the end.
TH-cam providing a warning about the harms of conversion therapy pretty much sums up how secularists completely miss the point of this entire debate.
I have one word for what is happening: EVIL.
@@andrewmccombs7347I have another word as well! Demonic.
If I was a demon or satan I’d want Gods children to be confused about everything. Not knowing if they are a guy or a girl. Not knowing who they are attracted to. Making decisions that can cause sterility and infertility.
It’s truly EVIL AND DEMONIC!!
Its just nonsensical, disingenuous, fear porn.
ALL therapy is "conversion" therapy.
The entire point of therapy, is to convert people from one state, to another. Converting the depressed, to not depressed. The trauma affected, to those who can deal with their trauma, etc etc.
Therapy is an attempt to convert a disordered person. to an ordered person.
Th phrase, "conversion therapy", is just another bastardization of language, turning it into a weapon against an "enemy".
Why is youtube giving "warnings" about anything? Yt shouldnt be imposing claims about anything. And I don't anything about conversion therapy, couldnt care less.
TH-cam and their “context” 😅
You lose the argument when you start name calling.
Bingo. I tell a loved one something similar often. It's not about winning but that's my opinion.
Very true and common. While not name calling high emotions are a thing that play a factor into it.
Was once responding to a comment with "atheists can unknowingly sometimes act the same way radical christians do towards criticism" and got a guy that took that statement to personally by saying "stop coping and crying so hard, christians are far worse than atheist".
@@vohloo9797>stop coping and crying so hard,
Lol! Projection at its finest, am I right?
I was just this morning telling a woman I use to go to church with about Frank as being a super apologist, but she had no idea who he is. However, she never even heard of the term “woke” which gives you an idea of why I USE to go to church with her. That church is progressive and sadly doesn’t promote sound biblical teachings and educational growth in the Lord 😢
@@paulnash6944 lol yeah, tried reasoning with the guy, but he wasn't having any of it.
Mav "has ADHD so bad, he can't read a book" but tries to speak from a place of knowledge, and prove his point by speaking over Frank Turek, while not wanting to listen to a word, either spoken or written. He didn't want open discussion, or an exchange of viewpoints, he wanted Mr Turek to "apologize for the blood on his hands." In all the things I've watched from Frank Turek, I've never heard him get angry, be hateful or abusive to anyone regardless of how he is treated. Yet he is hated, without warrant. Didn't Jesus say "They hate Me, they will hate you also?" Chilling to see.
I have family with strong adhd and they are real book worms.
I think adhd now is now a code words for 'I've trashed my dopamine receptors'.
I do hope them all the best though
Delivered From the Guttermost To The Uttermost.
40 yeahs ago
The Corinthians lived in gross sin.
I got the T shirt
Reprobate Narcissistic Mind
Yep!
Sex n drugs n rock n roll pursuing pleasure was my treasure.
Romans 2 :16-22
Dude, all Frank ever does is talk over people and repeat their name in his adolescent attempt to “control muh conversation”
@@user-by3ks9bp5dso...? If that's true WHY IS IT WRONG?
@@bethjarzombek4742 Are you stupid?
Interesting how he answered his own question without knowing it
“For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
Matthew 7:14
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My exact thoughts when I heard him.
Same!
By the way, it’s the U.S. Declaration of Independence that says the inalienable rights part, not the U.S. Constitution. Also, a teacher of mine once said that your “rights” cannot come from the government; otherwise, they become privileges that they or a new government can take away.
Oh goodness! What a silly slip up on my end! Thanks for the correction. And you’re absolutely right! Rights come from God 🙌
Completely based. The word, “rights,” implies dignity. The main issue I have with secular humanist philosophy is that they don’t base their rights on anything beyond ourselves. Why fight for rights if they can just be taken from you with the next regime change?
@@paulnash6944That’s also why the source of your rights should not be able to change easily or, even better, not be able to change at all. Otherwise, they’re probably not truly rights because they can then be taken away. If people want to change what rights are or what rights they have, they assume they have control and authority over morality and can change it whenever they want to. Only God can be the source of objective morality, always unchanging and having complete authority over it. Objective morality comes from objective truth, and the Word of God is the objective truth.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomDon’t worry, it’s not too much of a mistake. It’s still a major founding document for the United States.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom It's cool 😎
People who can't debate their point with clarity, and storm off do their point no credit.
Anger blocks rational responses
I agree. People like turek who desperately have to avoid the question at hand because they know they don't have a legitimate answer for their bigotry should not debate.
They just make themselves look really silly and dishonest.
@@nickjones5435 ho ho. Do you detect any signs of anger from Turek? I don't. I generally think he should be given a medal for his patience in dealing with people who refuse to do any research. Like yourself, perhaps.
@grantbartley483 @grantbartley483 No...I agree. No anger. I do see signs of dishonesty. Signs of a charlatan exploiting the simple minded for money!
Yeah I've researched grant including reading the boble and two of tureks books. Have YOU?
Have you done enough research to present one tiny scrap of credible evidence of your god or are you as ignorant as turek?
@@nickjones5435the projection is strong in you.
This might be the rudest person I've ever seen Frank talk to, but I'm constantly impressed by his patience and care for his detractors.
We've kicked God out of governments, out of schools, out of the Law, out of daily discussions, even out of some churches. And we wonder why we have moral decay? So many believe, 'My rights are more important than your rights'.
Why would God want us to have leaders?
Kings?
Governments?
Your creating a false idol.
Your worshiping and obeying people.
Definitely leaders. Even in the early church, there were leaders. The qualifications that must be met to become a church leader are even laid out in the Bible. Maybe not kings and governments, but we still need leaders.
Yeah…not everyone is a Christian lol.
@@DM-dk7js Doesn't that make the point?
@@jeremy925….no!
The POINT is that we live in a free, non-theocratic nation where we don’t force people to subscribe to a religion.
You certainly wouldn’t want me to force atheism on you with the power of the state, would you?
You’re allowed to practice religion. And I’m allowed to abstain from it.
if the "UN" says it, I am pretty much against, and sex can go wrong, just like anything else, that does not make the wrong bits right
Yes always a🚩
The UN also says the environment should be protected, says countries should obey international law in conflict, and promotes cooperation between countries to achieve their goals. Plus, it says world hunger is a bad thing.
Do you disagree with any of these things?
And what should we have instead of the UN? A biast Christian coalition? Because from Answers in Genesis they have themselves outright admitted that they reject evidence that doesn't fit the Bible
The UN with it Theosophical/Luciferian/Madame Blavatsky roots has become one of the greatest purveyors of evil on this planet!
That doesn't make the right bits wrong. If you're against sex and saying that it can go wrong just like anything else.
Putting someone down as if they know nothing is a poor argument!
The fact that TH-cam puts an article from The Trevor Project as a legitimate source shows how far our society has fallen.
God is good!
No, it's not good.
@@willmurphy4073God is good
This is a child who is incapable of having a constructive dialogue, not to mention he is ravaged by dark spirits. Pray for these kids, they are lost.
Why do you put down this lad by calling him a child? You are putting down one of God's creations. This guy is indeed wrong, decieved and needs Jesus, but that doesn't give you the right to devalue what God has given value. I have no beef with you just needed to say the above.
@@CrypticHowl Jesus called his disciples "children", was he devaluing them? John repeatedly referred to the readers of his letters as "children", was he devaluing them? In many places in the Bible, adults - for various reasons - are referred to as children: are they devalued? Someone who is elderly might refer to an 18-year-old as a "child" - does this devalue them? All of the above questions are what you could've asked yourself before chiding the OP
@@Voicist do you not know God at all? When Jesus refers to His disciples as children it's not devaluing them at all, rather it is a loving and endearing term. He is acknowledging the nature of their relationship because they are His. When you become a Christian you are not merely a follower but you are adopted into the family of God. He becomes our adopted father and a very loving one at that. He is a personal being who knows each one of us inside out, and He Jesus died so we enter into a loving relationship with Him. To restore humanity back into a relationship with Himself for that link was lost when Adam and Eve ate of the tree.
In the bible we are told to be child-like - not childish for that is foolishness but child-like in our faith. A child who has a good set of responsible parents trust their very lives into their hands, no questions asked. Children follow with great faith but adults have a bad habit of trusting in their own understanding and self sufficiency. God wants us to trust in Him and not to worry about anything for He is in control. That's childlike faith. John (like all other writers of the Bible were inspired by God to write so the same notion apply.
@@Voicist do you not know God at all? When Jesus refers to His disciples as children it's not devaluing them at all, rather it is a loving and endearing term. He is acknowledging the nature of their relationship because they are His. When you become a Christian you are not merely a follower but you are adopted into the family of God. He becomes our adopted father and a very loving one at that. He is a personal being who knows each one of us inside out, and He Jesus died so we enter into a loving relationship with Him. To restore humanity back into a relationship with Himself for that link was lost when Adam and Eve ate of the tree.
In the bible we are told to be child-like - not childish for that is foolishness but child-like in our faith. A child who has a good set of responsible parents trust their very lives into their hands, no questions asked. Children follow with great faith but adults have a bad habit of trusting in their own understanding and self sufficiency. God wants us to trust in Him and not to worry about anything for He is in control. That's childlike faith. John (like all other writers of the Bible were inspired by God to write so the same notion apply.
@@Voicist do you not know God at all? When Jesus refers to His disciples as children it's not devaluing them at all, rather it is a loving and endearing term. He is acknowledging the nature of their relationship because they are His. When you become a Christian you are not merely a follower but you are adopted into the family of God. He becomes our adopted father and a very loving one at that. He is a personal being who knows each one of us inside out, and He Jesus died so we enter into a loving relationship with Him. To restore humanity back into a relationship with Himself for that link was lost when Adam and Eve ate of the tree.
In the bible we are told to be childlike - not childish but child-like in our faith. A child who has a good set of responsible parents trust their very lives into their hands, no questions asked. Children follow with great faith but adults have a bad habit of trusting in their own understanding and self sufficiency. God wants us to trust in Him and not ourselves, worrying for nothing for without faith it's impossible to please the Father as Hebrews 11:6 states. John (like all other writers of the Bible were inspired by The Holy Spirit to write so the same notion applies.
The WORD isn't for you to change to make you happy. The WORD is to be followed . If it can be changed arbitrarily, then it has no meaning.
Do you follow the word? I'm curious.. Are you under the law? I'm trying to figure out if you actually understand the WORD..
Christians do not follow the Bible. Hypothetically if someone was to follow every command of God in the Bible they would under the jail.
@@jackhammer0101 you sound like an accuser looking to drag others down.
No one can follow the Word perfectly. That's the ENTIRE reason why Christ came. I follow it but I fail. Any judgement you may pass is inconsequential.
@jackhammer0101 Yes. Like any Christian, I live as close as I can. As far as understanding the Word of God, I'm in the middle of obtaining my masters in theology. So, while your snarky tone is humorous, it's obviously based on ignorance.
As a honest man that I am that I wouldn't care if you think what I'm saying is wrong. Because you can prove me right with your own understanding of it with however you want to spin it.
I agree with you completely. We need to get to the root of the issue by asking, "by what standard?" I watch a lot of Cliffe Knechtle's videos. You should have him on your podcast. He is brilliant.
Great idea. Cliff is fantastic
There is no standard.
@@someonesomeone25
“There is no standard”
Sorry but “there is no standard” according to who? or what absolute, universal, objective standard of measure? The standard of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur. Or the standard of an ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with bananas?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic, and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me absolutely “WRONG” using your arbitrary, missing standard? I’ll wait!!
@@someonesomeone25
“There is no standard”
Sorry but “there is no standard” according to who? or what absolute, universal, objective standard of measure? The standard of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur. Or the standard of an ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with bananas?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic, and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me absolutely “WRONG” using your arbitrary, missing standard? I’ll wait!!
@@someonesomeone25 Then there are no objective morals, making all morals only opinions. But you can't live it out...
"Minor attracted" people can easily debate the same points as this guy.
From a secular worldview it can be shown to be wrong because of the psychological and physical damage caused. From the theist side, where is the commandment that says it's wrong?
As can anyone tempted to sin against God and their neighbor. The culture's religion has one overarching rule: "do what thou will".
@@nitsujism
“Where is the commandment”
“From the secular world view it can be shown to be wrong”
Nope!! The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism there is no such thing as “WRONG” as everything just [IS] ultimately meaningless word games and survival of the fittest. Which is why atheism inevitably leads to fatalism and epistemological nihilism and inevitably suicidal ideation. Especially if you are intellectually honest enough to live it out consistently. Have you even read Nietzsche, Camus or Wittgenstein?
Sorry but “WRONG” according to who? Or what absolute, universal, objective standard of measure exactly?
“WRONG” according to the standard of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur? Or “WRONG” according to nothing more substantive than the delusions of AN ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with bananas?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
There’s still a tiny glimmer of hope though because perhaps a secular world view can show Christianity to be “WRONG” according to the “NOTHING”? That is according to the standard of nothing more substantive than [DETERMINED BRAIN FIZZ] creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities? That is nothing more substantive than the science project of vinegar and baking soda accidentally bubbling over right?
Sorry but the fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism your very ironic absolute truth claim that there is no commandment against child abuse is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a determined machine, an overgrown amoeba with delusions of grandeur, that is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a chemical and biological robot right?
That is nothing more substantive than the blind, mindless, ultimately meaningless accidental arrangement of POND SLIME evolved to an allegedly “HIGHER” order right?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic, and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me absolutely “WRONG”? I’ll wait!!
@@nitsujism
“Where is the commandment”
“From the secular world view it can be shown to be wrong”
Nope!! The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism there is no such thing as “WRONG” as everything just [IS] ultimately meaningless word games and survival of the fittest. Which is why atheism inevitably leads to fatalism and epistemological nihilism and inevitably suicidal ideation. Especially if you are intellectually honest enough to live it out consistently. Have you even read Nietzsche, Camus or Wittgenstein?
Sorry but “WRONG” according to who? Or what absolute, universal, objective standard of measure exactly?
“WRONG” according to the standard of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur? Or “WRONG” according to nothing more substantive than the delusions of AN ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with bananas?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
There’s still a tiny glimmer of hope though because perhaps a secular world view can show Christianity to be “WRONG” according to the “NOTHING”? That is according to the standard of nothing more substantive than [DETERMINED BRAIN FIZZ] creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities? That is nothing more substantive than the science project of vinegar and baking soda accidentally bubbling over right?
Sorry but the fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism your very ironic absolute truth claim that there is no commandment against child abuse is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a determined machine, an overgrown amoeba with delusions of grandeur, that is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a chemical and biological robot right?
That is nothing more substantive than the blind, mindless, ultimately meaningless accidental arrangement of POND SLIME evolved to an allegedly “HIGHER” order right?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic, and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me absolutely “WRONG”? I’ll wait!!
@@nitsujism
“Where is the commandment”
“From the secular world view it can be shown to be wrong”
Nope!! The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism there is no such thing as “WRONG” as everything just [IS] ultimately meaningless word games and survival of the fittest. Which is why atheism inevitably leads to fatalism and epistemological nihilism and inevitably suicidal ideation. Especially if you are intellectually honest enough to live it out consistently. Have you even read Nietzsche, Camus or Wittgenstein?
Sorry but “WRONG” according to who? Or what absolute, universal, objective standard of measure exactly?
“WRONG” according to the standard of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur? Or “WRONG” according to nothing more substantive than the delusions of AN ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE who shares half their DNA with bananas?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
There’s still a tiny glimmer of hope though because perhaps a secular world view can show Christianity to be “WRONG” according to the “NOTHING”? That is according to the standard of nothing more substantive than [DETERMINED BRAIN FIZZ] creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities? That is nothing more substantive than the science project of vinegar and baking soda accidentally bubbling over right?
Sorry but the fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism your very ironic absolute truth claim that there is no commandment against child abuse is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a determined machine, an overgrown amoeba with delusions of grandeur, that is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a chemical and biological robot right?
That is nothing more substantive than the blind, mindless, ultimately meaningless accidental arrangement of POND SLIME evolved to an allegedly “HIGHER” order right?
Your world view, your absurdity, your ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS APE, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic, and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me absolutely “WRONG”? I’ll wait!!
comparing that to torture? no.
It really is in official documents from bodies such as the UN and the US NIH
Ok so if you where told that you need to be gay, this guy we all think exists said that you’d go to an infinite water drip torture chamber if you don’t be gay. So you have all of your family and friends pressuring you to go get brainwashed and manipulated into acting so homosexual that you begin to doubt yourself and everything you knew contrary. You don’t have a choice to say no, no choice of any of it because we said so. That’s not torture? Torture is literally defined as the action or practice of inflicting severe pain or suffering on someone as a punishment or in order to force them to do or say something. THAT IS LITERALLY what conversion therapy is
Yeah conversion therapy is a good thing
Their fuzzy thinking allows them to equivocate. When I ask why c0nv3rsi0n therapy is wrong, they say because some people would try to do it through torture and kidnap people to do it. Then I ask them why not just ban torture and kidnapping, then? That’s not the point, though - they want to conflate the goal with the method, and so ban the goal by condemning a method - like banning ‘curing illness’ because bloodletting is harmful.
Then I refer them to Dr Nicolosi - which is illegal to do in Canada because telling them that is exactly like kidnapping them and strapping them to a shock chair apparently.
A social contract does not explain why murder is objectively wrong for the simple fact of war.
Will you read a book if I give it to you?
I have ADHD
We call that a cop out
@Dan - well at least the ADHD types have an excuse. There's no excuse for all you billions of Christians who have either never read a single page of the Bible or.....only have read the 10-20% nice bits and ignore the other 80-90% of evil, insane horror. Here's the reality of "objective morality" from a Bible expert th-cam.com/video/4pdYmIwxYTE/w-d-xo.html
What a pussy. Dude can't even read
Exactly. I have ADHD and LOVE to read. This person just wants to be right.
I love how Frank is such a smart, intelligent debater, and respectful of the opposition. Just a classy educator.
The arguments he makes for his position are laughably weak
@@houmm08 I've yet to see anyone who claims all of his arguments are weak etc... explain exactly how and provide a better argument.
@CiscoWes we could start with him always going to Hitler......or saying morality doesn't and can't exist unless there is a (Christian) god.......or that 'god' is timeless/spaceless/immaterial whatever that is supposed to mean - he has yet to give an answer that makes anything in the orbit of sense on that one 🙄 but the worst of all is his perpetual and i would say devious misuse of the term 'survival of the fittest'
@@houmm08 In fact, you are the one who has to give a source for your morality, not us. I would be happy to hear.
@@fcampos10 I see YT or the channel deleted my last reply. Waste of time 🙄
Why is Google suggesting that the Trevor Project is context for this video? 🤔
Type in conversion therapy and they link that to every video. It's because it's true and actually works but Google is against it because you know who owns google
Because the phrase "conversion therapy" was used in the video. TH-cam/Google have crazy capabilities.
People joke about "literally 1984", but this is pretty sketchy.
@@BooserBoi it's makes is so obvious when they put those context boxes it's the truth lol
Or opposite of what the context box says I mean
@MMk-me1xt exaclty, haha 🤣
That person is too emotional and can't answer the question
It’s a poisonous ideology; a cult.
Yes people who just think with emotions visa versa don't understand the whole picture. Mental illness like gender dysphoria and others don't make sense outside being a flaw in the system in the brain, I can't argue that because I have depression everyone should accept that as normal... God is our father he loves all of us but he doesn't affirm anything wrong or broken as anything other than wrong and or broken
Probably on too much estrogen.
Jesus talked about a house built on solid rock and another built on sand. The relation between the building and its foundation is similar to moral standard and God.
I think you got it, I believe the verse is often translated as Shifting sand. So we should expect the standard and morality of the world tho constantly be changing and that is I think what we see.
Yep, Christ and God are the rock. Woke/DEI moralism has nothing to stand on. It's thin air, not even sand.
@@Psychodegu
The moral code of religious people has changed as well as their interpretation of scriptures. Besides if your set in stone morality is suboptimal you are stuck with it. It is also based on an unproven and ilogical god. Ilogical because it has arbitrary properties like a moral code and desire to create when gods with different preferences are as likely to exist.
@@jonatand2045 I didn't follow anything you were trying to say.
@@Psychodegu
Just pointed the problems with the supposedly objective religious morality.
working out is torture, fasting is torture - these things are still good for you!
Working out is fun. Torture it is not
People love comfort but nothing is more destructive than comfort. Stay at you couch for long periods of time and even your muscles will be destroyed.
@@Dan16673 i should've put air quotes lol
@@Dan16673 also for obese people, it literally is torture
@Remember_Gods_Love if you are obese than breathing is torture. Moving is torture. Not eating too much is torture. Stop w this bs
Great video! Your comments really helped frame the issue at hand. Really helpful. Thank you for your ministry
There is no being a Christian again. You either are or you aren't. A drop of water entering a bigger body of water can't extract itself, a Christian can't separate themselves from God. John 10:28, Hebrews 13:5. 1 John 2:19 tells us about those who left because they were never part of us to begin with. Too many people practice the religion of Christianity without understanding that the "life and life more abundantly" - John 10:10 - comes from a personal relationship with God the Father and has nothing to do with religion.
There is being Christian again. Just because the water drop covered in the sin of oil cannot be apart of the ocean doesn't mean it cannot wash off that oil to join proper.
There are those who believe they are Christian when they are not, but that does not mean they cannot cast their sin away and seek a godly life free of it all. The thief on the cross was minutes from death after decades of sin, he was still welcomed into the kingdom of God.
I separated from the genocidal God you adore. Morality forced me to do so. Get thee behind me, Satan.
This is a really unfortunate misunderstanding of scripture. Really bad for evangelism, and really bad reading of the Word.
@@Mr-Moron Then how do you explain Hebrews chapter 6?
@brando3342 Accusations without citing scripture are just mud-slinging. I've got the backing of theologians and scripture in context. Bring me your evidence, if I'm wrong I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain. We can't crucify Christ (the Anointed One all over again) Hebrews 6.
I found a new way to get a free book. Just argue a lot with this guy.
😂😂
NGL..
Thats a good idea
Great idea!
Great idea!
No, it's not a good idea, it's theft
I feel that had he given himself the chance, the student would have realised that Dr Turek cared for him, that his humanity was such to embrace his concerns and offer healing. Instead, what I witnessed here was an excess of emotion at work over a presence - prayer-sense? - of mind. Psalm 46:10 says "Be still, and know that I am God." What goodness comes from that, yes? If we could only be still. Blessings!
Been subbed for awhile, just realized you’re kinda blowing up bro… over half a mill subs, nice job! Don’t stop!
This channel is great! Keep contending for the faith brother ❤
Frank is awesome ! I love how he stays so calm. Warrior in Christ! 🙏❤️
I agree I wouldn't be able to do it without getting ugly and nasty
"I have severe ADHD"...
The only thing the guy said that I agreed with!😅
Even a fool seems wise when he keeps his mouth shut
Chances are he can't read at all a special education student that didn't graduate high school
More likely depressed
@@JohnHendley-fx1gw you don’t understand how you can be hurtful huh?
That is the most obnoxious, self-important person I've ever seen.
About to watch 10 saved videos of yours... God is good. All the time. All the time, God is good
Amen brother!
Jesus is the greatest conversion therapist there ever was.
Conversion is just another word for brainwashing
Nah that's the greatest lie of all.
@@thefighter5182 How do you know it's a "lie"?
Very interesting podcast!❤
Great stuff as always, man. Love your channel, keep up the good work. God bless ✝️👍
I love watching these. I just discovered you yesterday and have done nothing but watch your videos since then. I love your comments and thoughts at the end and during. Thank you!
Welcome aboard!! 🙌❤️
how many dogs do you have just out of curiosity?
@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomThanks!! Glad to be here!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom We all appreciate your videos dude 😎. Faith isn't blind belief in something unproven or unknowable but trusting God to keep His Word. AMEN Daily Dose of Wisdom back at it with Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry Apologetics 🙏 ❤️ 👊. This guy in the LGBTQIA plus community was using ad hominems and virtue signaling to make an unnecessary point. New Atheism heralded by Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Aaron Ra and others has failed and Michael Shermer is speaking nonsense clinging to questions rather than seeking answers. I've been wanting to study Euclidean mathematics as I'm a 24 year old Christian Apologist working as a teacher and counselor so yeah I see unhealthy information being spread through secular and religious beliefs in families and people all of the time which is why I don't always attend church because I'm studying The Bible alone in DA ZONE 😂. I've been watching Christian Apologetics videos since 2020 so these channels are really helpful especially on TH-cam and social media. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
Our rights come from God
Maybe 🤔
@justingary5322 if they come from any other entity, person, or government they can be ignored. We are created in the image of God and are given first ...the right to life.
@@justice4all977Your rights can be taken away by the government even if you believe in God.
@@kos-mos1127 yes, and God will condemn that act and justice will be exacted. You've seen it 100 times with the fall of civilizations.
@@topazblahblah why would it not be a different god like zeus who destroyed those civilisation or natural causes
These conversations are going to keep coming up. It's important. to have them with compassion.
Hi Brandon, I have been reading about rational presuppositionalism (Cornelius Van Til) - antitheism presupposes theism, which I think is really at the heart of Dr. Turek’s work. In my own life, I feel as though my attempt to seek God through rational thought is sometimes at war with my faith in Christ. Do you think there is a danger in “leaning on our understanding”, or seeking God through logic and rational thought as opposed to reading/preaching scripture?
Really appreciate this comment! Yes, I do there there is a danger in that. I’m doing a fairly specific thing on this channel that I believe God has called me to, but certainly, it’s only one small piece of the whole. People are in deep deep need of prayer, worship, Christian fellowship, Scripture reading & study, confession of sin, going into the prayer closet and seeking the face of God alone, and much more. So, yes! I wholeheartedly agree with your concern! If all someone ever did was watch TH-cam videos that would not be much of a spiritual life.
Blood on someone’s hands to one perspective-freedom and enduring joy, peace, and hope for countless others.
Been watching so many of this type of discussion.
Hayden Rhodea, Nate Sala, Abolitionists Rising.
The Secular Humanist/Athiest has one playbook, their opinion and experience.
Why do the RARELY seem to understand they don't have a leg to stand on❓
Hitler & communist views are just as valid for the matter bumping into matter, strong survive worldview.
Just because they have found some sort of Altruism, doesn't make it any more compelling for the murderer or odep ↩️
Love how you rounded that out. I think frank is super intelligent and logical, so I think he's already thought this stuff he's done debates he gets it. But i get not all can understand that .. I struggle watching debates it sends me on a whirlwind sometimes. But I love his view point just like wise disciples viewpoint because they usually continue as you have here. ❤️🙏 God bless
Wow as a Christian I learned soemthing here that evaded me. Love these talking points.
"Then I have to repent and accept this narrow version of the Gospel".... umm YES!! "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it" - Matthew 7:14
Great discussion Brandon, I particularly like your words “ a shared sense of straightness is a huge clue to the objectiveness of moral standards “.
He got a lot more psychological issues then just ADHD
Love this guy speaking.God bless.
I’ve asked on another video but got no response, does anyone know the piano music used during the intro? 🙏
Thank the Lord for people like frank, just listening to this guy's whining is annoying me, which is only bolstered by the fact his arguments are largely based on an appeal to emotion.
My patience is then brought to an all time low when he attempts to shame frank for his Christian worldview and has the gall to insist an apology from frank for having and sharing/spreading the Christian worldview, when he couldn't nor can justify his own.
Stay safe and stay strong out there brothers and sisters, Jesus Christ loves you.
The Christian worldview is hideous.
@@wet-read Not an arguement
@@JMMeganium
Not a rebuttal.
We are even, now 🤝🥳
@@wet-read Sure bud 👍
@@wet-read
See ‘Dominion’ by Tom Holland
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9#Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10#nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11#And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
"such were some of you". Becoming a Christian means dying to that old-self and being raised a new person in Christ. It sounds like this young man has been a Christian at one point, but was very poorly taught. All of us have a proclivity to sin in any number of ways, including sexual sin, homosexual or otherwise. Neither heterosexual or homosexual fornication is worse than the other. Both keep you from the kingdom of God.
"Apostle to the homosexual and the transsexual": th-cam.com/video/oMCcMX-rApM/w-d-xo.html
You are excellent at what you do and your channel is excellent! Do not stop! You are reaching lives.
I have not come across one of his videos where he speaks the truth = YOU ARE A FALLEN ANGEL.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
@@qwerty-so6ml Ok, you are one of the weird ones. You are not a fallen angel. You are a human.
Great closing analysis Brandon.
One thing I believe needs correcting is the standard line that ‘evolution favors survival of the fittest’. The correct interpretation is that it favors the survival of those most capable of adaptation. The fossils of ‘fit dinosaurs’ are exhibit #1.
Christians like Frank Turek appear to understand this innately and proceed with grace.
People like Mav, maybe not so much 🤔
I have to say, I am torn on this interaction. I really do think Frank could have engaged the young lady in a deeper way, by actually addressing her contentions regarding the evolution of ethical behaviour.
I’m not saying Dr. Turek is necessarily wrong, I just think Mav needed someone who was willing to take just a few steps deeper into the conversation.
There was nothing that would have changed her mind. Extreme anger. They have to find god themselves through pain at this point is what I’ve seen. It’s the only way.
She was not willing to engage at any level. She admitted she didn't want to have a conversation she just wanted Dr. Turek to apologise. Typical mob shaming
Frank dodged the question and preached about morality.
This was hardly a conversation worth praising. Frank was cowardly.
That's a lady? I honestly didn't know. AMEN Daily Dose of Wisdom back at it with Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry Apologetics 🙏 ❤️ 👊. This guy in the LGBTQIA plus community was using ad hominems and virtue signaling to make an unnecessary point. New Atheism heralded by Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Aaron Ra and others has failed and Michael Shermer is speaking nonsense clinging to questions rather than seeking answers. I've been wanting to study Euclidean mathematics as I'm a 24 year old Christian Apologist working as a teacher and counselor so yeah I see unhealthy information being spread through secular and religious beliefs in families and people all of the time which is why I don't always attend church because I'm studying The Bible alone in DA ZONE 😂. I've been watching Christian Apologetics videos since 2020 so these channels are really helpful especially on TH-cam and social media. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@@corning1 God not god
What nonsense about moral standards. There is no objective morality!
Morality is a subjective set of behavioural standards that allows us to live and work cooperatively in social groups. It is an evolved trait that let our ancestors work together in groups that enhanced our survival as a species. That's why moralities differ between groups and can change in a group over time. The social group decides collectively what is right or wrong and this has gradually been refined to our present laws, rules, and social norms. The same behaviour has been observed in other primates, Jane Goodall's work with chimpanzee for one example.
If we accepted an absolute biblical morality we'd still be stoning homosexual men to death and women who weren't virgins on their wedding night.
There is no actual evidence for the BS you are spewing here. Humans didn't sit back and take a democratic vote that they don't like people lying to them, cheating on them, stealing from them, murdering them, etc. You know that you don't want people to do those things to you, and no one had to tell you that. There is not a shred of evidence for macroevolution, no matter how brainwashed you are. There simply is no evidence. Why would rocks care that humans thrive? Show me these magical talking fairy rocks so I can put them into a test-tube and hear what they have to say. I'm just not gullible enough to believe in the atheist magic.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven
_" Humans didn't sit back and take a democratic vote that they don't like people lying to them, cheating on them, stealing from them, murdering them, etc"_
Do you humans overwhelmingly not want to be murdered?
Simple question.
If you say 'they don't' then you just dismantled your own objection.
If you say anything other than that you are stalling, confused or being disingenuous.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven
_"Why would rocks care that humans thrive?"_
What argument are you trying to make here? lol
@@markh1011 You didn't understand my statements. Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven That evasive response was all you could come up with?
_"Stop it, you are embarrassing yourself._
Ironically funny. 😆
Try again.
Really enjoy your videos! ❤Thanks for the topic. I wish more LGBTQ+ community knew the unconditional love of God and didn't buy into this biblical score keeper. He is the redeemer.
SPOT ON
We are all godly spirits that live a human life at this time. God is love. Find Love.
"We are all godly spirits." I see no evidence of that.
@@Youfkingnoodles777 God gave us Jesus. Jesus was human. We are human. Do the math. Were we not created in Gods image?
@@Youfkingnoodles777 Look within until you find it.
Oh my days 🙈🤣
@@mephestopholes Are LGBTQ+ not made in God's image?
If not, why ids your God screwing up making souls?
While I am a Christian and agree that morality can only come from God, I believe Frank misfired in his approach to Mav. Mav is right that evolutionary pressures do promote social cohesion in humans, as collaborative societies succeed more readily than isolated individuals. Thus, "pragmatic morality", as Brandon puts it. I am afraid that Frank's starting by questioning Matt, instead of offering a direct answer to his question with respect for Mav's reasonable point, interfered with the possibility of communicating effectively. The Socratic method requires two participants who can engage similarly.
I feel for Mav. He needs a conversation with a believer who first of all listens to 'their' understanding, validates 'their' position in the ways that it is reasonable, before confronting the illogical parts of it in order to address the confusion Mav clearly experiences without quite recognizing it.
Great excerpt with lots of good lessons in it!
Very good take
There is not a shred of evidence for macroevolution. You need to drop your belief in evolution, because that directly contradicts God.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven there is alot of evidence for Evolution just google it. Evolution isnt a belief and it only contradicts got if you assume it does.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven My point is that societies evolve, which is a way to put the truth in what Mav was trying to say.
It was considered “pragmatically moral” to kill off Jews in gas chambers at one point in our recent history. If evolution, as you put it, is supposed to put pressure on society to be more cohesive and collaborative, the said evolutionary forces could not have failed more terribly during that time. If pragmatic morality that is context- and era-dependent overrules any notion of objective morality, what gave those judges sitting at Nuremberg trial any right to condemn anything? What gives us any right to say that slavery in America was wrong, when it was very much pragmatic and normal to own slaves back then? One set of morality standards may be very wrong but very pragmatic to some people or some cultures (i.e. ancient civilizations who sacrificed their children to appease their false god). I believe Pragmatic morality is nothing more than a fancy name for subjective morality, a rather poorly-supported theory proposed by evolutionary social scientists to explain away their dilemma with God-given objective morality.
thank goodness, thank you for changing your phrase of 'with that being said'.
Instead of calling these "people" by some complicated pre name, I'm just gonna call them IT
This is the problem with Frank, he's a k-mart WLC. Instead of actually engaging with the question being asked, he just deflects and goes to a canned response that doesn't answer the actual question. Her question is essentially why does God create people to be a certain way, but then disapprove of them for acting on the tendencies they were born with. There are many ways of responding to that question and challenging the premises, but Frank failed to do that.
A canned answer for the same canned question that attempts to scapegoat God as the root of "my sin". God doesn't tempt people. People are tempted by the evil desires of "their" hearts. God doesn't create murderers, rapists or pedophiles, no more than he creates adulterers, fornicators, or homosexuals. There is no righteous gene or evil gene. People choose to act on what's already in their hearts. People act on opportunities, accessibility, or the nurturing of what's inside of them.
You do realize that that is just a 'problem of evil' type question?
God does not want people to practice homosexuality. You must have faith.
History is full of high-achieving homosexual people (see for example the recent fuss over the Netflix presentation of accurate information about Alexander the Great)
@@PastPresented Not high achieving from a spiritual perspective. Alexander the Great killed hundreds of thousands of people. Straight to hell.
A lot of evil people are highly successful. That doesn't mean it's right or moral
Ya ya.
Nothing like faith in the creator of a lot of LGBTQ+ and religious people to hate them without a just cause.
@@Justafoolagainwhat’s hateful about saying a particular behavior is not how God wants you to behave? Wouldn’t it be more hateful to believe something will go to hell because of why they do, know there is a way out, and not tell them?
You’re free to disagree that the behavior is wrong, but you can’t call the attempt to correct behavior hateful.
Boi, that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast.
Really good stuff.
Mav is mad at God
Why would she not? The God of the Bible literally calls gay people abominations? If God is hateful towards me, I will not return respect.
I don't believe that if God exists it is like the one in the Bible, and if so then I love that.
So if people seem hateful, remember it's not because people hate love, or goodness, or truth. People want to be loved, and to have the truth. But religion can lie. It can be evil. And it can be hateful
@hydraph4843 why is any of that bad?
@@TheCristianalvarez You're kidding me right? if I call you a bunch of hateful slurs right now how would that make you feel?
And why is it bad to lie? Because obviously it's manipulative. You are taking away things that might make people happier by making them feel that is not right.
And it's bad if people get hurt because obviously, they get hurt. Duh
@@hydraph4843 so because it makes me feel bad it's immoral? What If eating right makes me feel bad? Therefore it's immoral by this standard.
@@TheCristianalvarez Use your common sense. It is all about a balance of hurting people and benefitting people
Why do dogs save their owners? Dolphins rescue ppl from drowning? Elephants mourn their dead? Are they religious? No, it is an innate understanding that death and pain is bad and life is good. You don’t have to be human to have empathy. The trait upon which all morals are based.
Who says any of that is wrong.
@@antoniopratt1893that’s not the question. Why do humans need an objective morality from God to know what is right and wrong while animals can know it without objective morality? That is the question.
Ehh, dolphins are a VERY bad example, lol. They gang r*pe females,, Male dolphins use other animals as toys to get high off of their venom. Watch some documentaries, that are not just*Disney fairy tales*.😂
LoL, better stop watching* Disney fairy tales* documentaries with happy ending about animals and get a reality check. How naive can someone be, smh.
Because we cant define what is right and wrong, we don't own that authority.
@@rh2040
Im no expert in apologetics. But one response that I think could counter the “moral standard argument” with a true challenge is the argument of: “the human moral standard is dictated by self-preservation and social cooperation for progress”.
self preservation could be argued that morality could be measured from concept of: “well I dont want to be harmed, therefore if I harm others they will likely feel the same way about me harming them. So if i want to feel safe, I need to contribute to a society of safety by avoiding causing harm in hopes that they do the same for me. Then use the environment of social safety to collaborate with others to participate in helping people do well, in hopes that if I was struggling, or ever struggle in the future that others would do the same for me.
Therefore you could make a challenging argument that morality could have emerged from a motivator of self-preservation-survival that results in cooperative outcomes.
(Im Christian, but I find this impossible to argue against with my current knowledge for the “a moral standard for humanity could only exist from God” argument and would love to learn counters if there are any)
This may have been the most painful conversation I've ever witnessed
nice video but it was shooting fish in a barrel. Why not invite a professor of philosophy specializing in ethics from an atheist perspective on for an interview?
Because a qualified atheist philosopher would tear Turek to pieces and that's not a good look for this channel.
@@nitsujism
CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!
Have you even read Nietzsche, Albert Camus or Wittgenstein or Foucault etc? You seriously haven’t done your homework!!
At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist, that is at least be a consistent fatalist and epistemological nihilist because according to the greatest atheist thinkers who ever lived with possibly the highest IQs…
Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche)
“Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.”
- (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense).
“Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap but at least he’s “logically” consistent with his atheism!!
“Suppose we want truth: why not rather untruth? and uncertainty? even ignorance?” - (Nietzsche).
“You can not get an (ought) out of an (is)” - (David Hume)
“Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault).
Life is an “horror” and “truth” is “illusory”. (Nietzsche)
Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story!! And you mock our beliefs!!
Your world view, your absurdity, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, and especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!! Cheerful group of people but at least they are intellectually honest and “logically” consistent with their atheism!!
Sorry to break it to you buddy but atheism or existentialism as you presuppose is just its own religion, stealing from the belief in the fundamental nature of [MIND/FREEWILL/CONSCIOUSNESS/THE ACTUAL/THE ONE/MONOTHEISM]!!
I respect the absurdism and nihilism of Nietzsche and Camus etc. I respect fatalism and epistemological nihilism. The claim that ultimately there is absolutely NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE beyond the immediate. It’s all ultimately purposeless and ultimately meaningless word games. I respect that!! It's intellectually HONEST atheism!! And it is logically consistent with this strictly reductive, causally closed, atheistic, nihilistic fan fiction!!
Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic and totally and utterly self refuting!! Prove me “WRONG”? I’ll wait!!
@@nitsujism - I don't know. But it would be a good discussion. Some of the most prominent atheist philosophers agree that, absent an authority above the universe, morality is subjective. For example, Bernard Williamson. Heck, isn't that sort of what Camus and his existentialism would say?
@@marchess286 Most philosophers are Moral Realists, not Moral Relativists. Incidentally most professional philosophers are also atheists.
@@nitsujism I agree that this would be an interesting conversation. I get tired of these junior-high school-level discussions of meta-ethics that permeate apologist circles. As a moral anti-realist (but not a relativist), I would love to hear discussions about how atheism and moral realism are compatible.
Whether or not God exists is not even a valid question. God is a word used to describe whatever force created and sustains us. A prayer for God's children, that they can know in their hearts and minds, with no doubt, they are are unconditionally loved by him. Amen 😇🙏
If God has chosen you by his grace.. There's no doubt he exists. And any fool can see by looking around at the complexity of nature, God exists..
If He does or doesn't exist it's important to remember that we still do. AMEN Daily Dose of Wisdom back at it with Frank Turek and Cross Examined ministry Apologetics 🙏 ❤️ 👊. This guy in the LGBTQIA plus community was using ad hominems and virtue signaling to make an unnecessary point. New Atheism heralded by Richard Dawkins, Matt Dillahunty, Aaron Ra and others has failed and Michael Shermer is speaking nonsense clinging to questions rather than seeking answers. I've been wanting to study Euclidean mathematics as I'm a 24 year old Christian Apologist working as a teacher and counselor so yeah I see unhealthy information being spread through secular and religious beliefs in families and people all of the time which is why I don't always attend church because I'm studying The Bible alone in DA ZONE 😂. I've been watching Christian Apologetics videos since 2020 so these channels are really helpful especially on TH-cam and social media. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@@jackhammer0101There is no evidence for God. You are just begging the question and concluding everything is here because of God.
@@kos-mos1127 stop spreading dishonesty on the internet. It is an act of evil to do so. Wake up from your deep sleep. God loves each and every one of his children, forever. Amen 🙏😇
@kos-mos1127 you will find evidence when you ask deeper and harder questions. For example, why is evolution a thing? Why to organisms strive to survive? It would then go that life simply has a drive to exist. How do you explain the origin of that drive? Why did we choose to adapt as groups and come to develop "good" and "evil"? Why do we think life has rights? And why are humans greater than animals? Why is cognition different? Why did we adapt to be greater?
The answer comes back as something beyond humanity.
If you think, well it was all chance- where did chance come from? Does it not look suspiciously all too coincidental that everything just aligns so well? And at the end of all that, we were even given pattern seeking traits. Almost as if someone had laid out hints in front of us and is waiting for us to just put the pieces together!
Why do we survive, why do we multiply, why do we laugh and cry?
The only answer can be that because a God or creator, if you will, made it so. And if we were made in God's image, wouldn't that be something to rejoice over? How awesome is that? And what have you got to lose? Really, think about that last question
God bless you, and I hope you find answers you seek
This interaction shows how this is a spiritual war we are in. So many are lost and looking in all the wrong places for answers.
I disagree.
I dislike arguments that are emotionally charged like this. I hope Mav heals from his pain. ❤
Is it obvious that he refuses to answer the question?
One cannot show a just cause when there is none.
The religious anti LGBTQ+ cannot explain how their God screw up on creating souls in his heterosexual way.
When did he have a chance?
It's not normal and it never will be. I'm sorry but it's the truth. The rest of the world will not embrace this madness. You've been deceived. It's a symptom of a nation that has become too decadent and careless - racing to the cliff's edge. There is hope, don't despair. God loves you so much. Jesus can change your life break your chains. You will never be the same again.
Homosexuality is normal if it’s observed in nature, tho.
If something occurs in nature, it’s safe to call it natural. Honosexuality occurs in nature, therefore it’s normal.
But by all means nobody is forcing you to be gay, so just go about your business and live life happily.
@@DM-dk7jswrong.. Murder and cannibalism is found in nature too.. Does that make it natural fir us? Should it be tolerated and acceptable as "natural"? And the funny thing is.. Theres no evidence of female homosexuality in nature.. Male species will copulate with anything in nature, it's why a dog will hump a leg, is it legsexual? If any alleged male animal in nature is given a choice to mate with another male, or a female of it species.. It will pick the female 100% of the time.
Murder occurs in nature too. Does that mean it's right?
@@DM-dk7jsHi, so Mav in the video seems to identify as trans and not gay - correct? That's what I was addressing primarily and it is only normal in western progressive circles.
I'm not sure on your definition of normal regarding homosexualality. I would say it's not normal outside of the western countries as in being practiced and accepted by the broader population. Anyways, from the biblical perspective it's not normal and the only reason we see animals do it is because they are part of a fallen creation just like me and you.
I would also say that looking to animals for validation is not good. We are not animals. Limiting our existence to our biology is more dehumanizing than any probably any religious text.
@@MMk-me1xtwhy are you making judgments of wrong or right regarding human behavior that doesn’t affect or harm you? Your framing here is bizarre. I was making a determination of NATURAL vs UNNATURAL, nothing about wrong or right.
If homosexuality occurs in nature, it’s not fair to call it unnatural. What’s debatable about that lol?
Often--maybe even virtually always--people say "no one is perfect." So there you go. If no one is perfect, how do we have any objectivity in morality.
Its crazy how people want to debate without being able to think philosophically.
Evolution by natural selection _does_ occur based on survival of the fittest. However, that phrase is misused by Frank and others to mean the domination of brutalness. By contrast, the real meaning refers to inheritable traits that aid organisms to successfully reproduce within a given environment. Attributes like compassion, fairness and empathy absolutely do make sense within a world where those best adapted to an environment thrive.
Is Frank being intentionally dishonest or he is scientifically illiterate? That remains to be seen. Regardless of the reason for Frank and others spreading blatant misinformation, it is clear the objection used against natural morality falls apart.
Frank's other objection that natural morality is just opinion-based makes no sense. The position is moral values are ingrained into human nature. Therefore, those values are not subject to feelings, biases or opinions.
I’m a Christian and I believe that morality is written on the hearts of humans by God, but I completely agree with you. I don’t think his argument holds up.
What is baffling is your belief is a typical Christianity. Natural morality is perfectly compatible with Christianity. The problem is in the way apologists try to argue for God.
First of all, you would have to prove that life came from non- life by naturalistic means and also that all life evolved from a Common ancestor. You presuppose that, but you cant prove it. Secondly, If evolution were true, you can't get Objective morals without an authority outside of human beings. It would only be subjective if only subjects were involved. What you consider good, others might disagree with you and consider it bad. For example, we say Homosexuality is immoral, but many Liberals say it's not. Who's right? How do we know? Because God says it's immoral. So therfore its objectively wrong. But if God didn't exist, it would be a stalemate. With two opposing views. You would have no standard to know who was right. If God exists (which he does), he can make rules and tell me what to do, but you cannot tell me what to do, because you are a human being like me, and if our brains are just chemicals, whose to say the chemical reactions in your brain is superior over my chemical reactions. Evolution did not put morals in us, our Creator did. And we are not just chemical reactions, we have a soul and a spirit that transcends our physical body. Without God nothing is objectively wrong.
@@johnmeeks2799 If you want to deny science, that is your prerogative. My points do not stand on science being correct. They stand on what our contemporary models describe vs what Frank says about them.
If you wish to explore the evidence for evolution (which is about the diversity of life, not its origin) then you clicked on the wrong video.
She definitely had valid points that he did not validate. Everything that she said was correct. I’m not going to say anymore about that except she put him in checkmate and he took the easy way out. We are direct descendants of our own evolution of learning to care for one another, have empathy for one another, and doing whatever is needed to ensure the survival of our species and aloud humans to thrive over other species that were in direct competition with us such as Neanderthals. Good and evil is a made up premise to label doing something that the church does and doesn’t want people doing. This in turns create fear that drives the church to be able to use hell as a fear inducing concept to get its followers to do what the church says is “good”.
Your assertion that they were correct about everything is not correct. They were not right about the theory of evolution being anything beyond the foundation of 'survival of the fittest'. Even if in some other plane of existence that were actually true, the example of taking care of the elderly for propagation of the species is beyond laughable. Without an objective morality wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of all the old, cripple, lame, etc. to insure that we're not wasting resources on those that can no longer contribute?
@@SuperROFLWAFLIt's not laughable. We often think of elderly people as wise. That is they are able to communicate life experiences and knowledge that do assist us. They are often still able to be functional in some capacity too. Add to that our evolved empathy and emotions and that all extends to caring for the sick etc.
@@nitsujism
I think it's okay to say we like doing good for nonevolutionary reasons. Like picking up trash or helping someone who dropped a paper- these good acts are done out of a selfless love. You make it sound selfish when you say "actually evolution says its good for the individual when more people live to serve us, even in unconventional ways" like... capitalistic kindness...? Don't we all think people have inherent value? That even the time spent with them is a contribution to society?
On the flip side, I would say jealousy is an evolutionary trait. Hatred, malice, and manipulation- they all are inherent and the intent to profit the individual and not society. If we go with the cold "logical" reasoning, you have something to gain (wisdom) from feeding your grandma- but I know that's not what you meant.
I think we need to stop "infantilizing" the concept of good or bad, and about love.
The bible defines love as patient, kind, selfless, and humble, and the more we think on it, we can see which Christians actually understood the assignment and which perverted the word to do exactly what you said.
ARE THERE ANY RESOURCES on how to win a debate on how the Christian God should be pursued over a general "higher being"? Please help.
Anyone?
Gods to me were probably essential to our evolution, biologically and culturally*. But we don't need them anymore. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever.
* that is, we were bound to come up with the concept - being the kinds of beings we are - and we were bound to formalize it and spread it and perpetuate it, respectively
I would like to watch the clip without the interuptions. Commentary at the end please.
I hope you all see that he did not answer the question being asked but he asked another question. Also, there is no evidence for an objective morality, as far as we can tell society is operating on a subjective morality. Also, the bible is not the only book on Morals. Before Christianity people have moral laws. Though many belief strong it was their God giving it to them. Society ends up with different morals. This chow it is subjective. It makes sense that all humans be given rights because you want to have rights Frank. I want to have rights and be able to live my life. As a result, I am for people having rights. Also, throughout history there have been many people who have 0 rights. Slaves no right, women little rights, poor no rights, and so on. Again, showing that human right is not grounded in your God. You can do better Frank.
Now to you Brandon, make sense. If you are going to use a quote, then understand the quote. The things in the world as expected to be like that if there is no God. People stealing, people being kind, and a mix of variety of things. If there is a god then there is no excuse for evil, especially if it is the Christian God. We are not trying to have a cake and eat it too or whatever the saying is. Through evolution humans developed the sense that we survive when our brothers and sisters survive. Human right is quite recent thing as I have pointed out. This is through evolution. Brandon I believe in you too, make some sense please.
Frank: "why is is objectively wrong to harm people? without god, there is no objective wrong."
is he really citing the Christian god as the moral standard that makes harming people objectively wrong?? the god who commands genocide and slavery multiple times? good lord, surely he can do better; and if he can't do better, surely he can admit that his god is trash at morality.
ATHEISM and RELIGIONS BRING and CAUSE the HUMILIATIONS, SUFFERINGS, and DEATHS of MANKIND
The Creator's existence and the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings
are obviously of no worth, value, and importance to
Atheists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are shameless, remorseless, and unbothered even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, wickedness, cruelties, hypocrisies, lies, deceits, and false teachings about "hellfire", "afterlife", "Armageddon", "rapture", "Trinity", "immortality of the souls", and "reincarnation"
hurt, offend, insult, and degrade the lives and dignities of all human beings including that of their of own families and neighbors
and cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS.
The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of HUMAN BEINGS are of great WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE to the CREATOR
The Creator
who is being dishonored and insulted by Atheists, Evolutionists, and Fanatics of Religions as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
KNOWS
that he authorized and sent Jesus Christ from heaven to earth thousands of years ago to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings.
The "KINGDOM of GOD"
is the Creator's Rulership through Jesus Christ that will stop and put an end to all the Satanic hatred, arrogance, cruelties, hypocrisies, wickedness, lies, deceits, and falsehoods of Satan's Atheism, Evolutionism, and Religious Fanaticism
and
ensures planet Earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons
who
will definitely be honored and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death.
The "RESURRECTION of the DEAD"
is the Creator's guarantee that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
Our God is Jesus.
No need to cite OT when he already came in the flesh.
@@fynflorentine2512 you mean the Jesus who said "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matt. 5:17)??
or the Jesus who introduced the idea of sending children who have never heard of him to an eternity of torture and suffering (John 14:6)? still not seeing where the moral high ground comes in...
@@wiffleballer28This is the real issue. The morality prescribed in the bible is truly horrendous.
This kid isn't just shooting his argument in the foot, he's dumping the entire magazine into it.
"I just think that"... "i feel like" its not ready to confront life on life's terms
Yep. That's how sad and pitiful Christians are.
On Opinions.
Why would any moral person put the moral opinion of a genocidal God or man ahead of his or her own?
Those who have the opinion that Yahweh is a good God, have yet to develop a decent moral sense.
Where do morality and decency come from?
The people God calls on to be destroyed were sinners and were committing incredibly evil acts. Burning babies for sacrifice and the like. God is all powerful and has a right to punish those that have gone against Him.
I know that doesn't sound like the loving God we Christians like to talk about. But the truth is that God's justice and power cause us to have a healthy fear and awe that brings about a right relationship with Him. Not only that but God's justice doesn't stop Him from still being incredibly loving! This is why the message of Jesus Christ is so important, He loved us so much that he offers Himself in the form of a man as the sacrifice to cover our sins. Why is this necessary? Because it is impossible for God to forgive and be just without someone taking the punishment.
God was always trying to bring the people of the world to Him, to trust in Him. That was what Israel was for! They are are called to be a nation of priests, to be the one that shows God outward so that others might see and trust in Him. Even Israel fails time and time again. God allows punishment from their sins, and then redeems them all throughout Exodus, Deuteronomy, Judges, 1-2 Samuel, 1-2 Kings, and more. If that isn't a patient and loving God who doesn't just get angry and outright kill everyone then I don't know what is.
In the end questioning God about how He dishes out justice isn't correct because you've immediately placed yourself above God. These questions are important and asking them is okay, but one must approach them in understanding who God is and who we are. God is holy, that is part of who he is. We are sinners, which separates us from a proper relationship to Him and means we are deserving of punishment.
Justafoolagain. You said it 👏.
The fool says in his heart that there is no God.
Where do you get that moral sense? And why is it better than God's?
@@ryankelly9032 i would say evolution
Matt displayed that he has no interest in listening. He wants to be validated and affirmed.
That's totally wrong. Turek displayed that he darnt address the questions that are to tough for him and desperately needs to deflect to one of his prepared bullshit scripts.
Noone can change themselves only your heavenly Father can do that ❤
Excelent break down
Morality comes from society and parents. It is passed down from generation after generation. Turek
People who are in the wrong don’t always know that they are wrong in fact they think that they are right. Frank has his work cut out for him because people have lost their minds.
That thing is a literal 🤡 looking for an apology from someone who has done nothing to apologize for.
Sorry to hear that Mav. Unfortunately a "sorry" or applogy won't make you feel any better. Its just be chance that "nothing" created a world where some view homosexuality as wrong while others view it is right.
Thanks for showing us these interactions. My question is, why is it necessary to start something only to pause it to hear the background story?
Why not introduce your version, or "the" version and let us make up our own minds?
It is rather irritating.
AS USUAL HE WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK! So frustrating!
for frank to just stand there and listen to him saying that stuff for minutes is proof that he is a fantastic person
There is a very fine line between heated debate and arguement and then a very fine line between argument and mudslinging. As soon as you step out of heated debate your credibility and trustworthyness is gone. The kid started good with a genuine question but he wasnt getting the answer he wanted. He wasnt prepared for a debate where there is a good possibility that youre proven wrong. He didnt go up to that mic to debate. He went up there to attack Frank and expected to Frank to sit there and "oh yeah thats right" and "i guess i never thought about it like that". When Frank started asking questions he couldnt answer he blew past heated debate and lost the whole structure of his case. It was clear he had nothing and so went into hyper-aggressive mode and was destroyed by Frank who stayed happily and calmly inside of logical debate.
@@tegram_Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom you should really, really be ashamed of yourself. You are so low that you are attempting to scam innocent people and Christ followers. Is it really that hard to pop in to the local Burger King and say, "hey, I can use a mop so can I have a job"? How does it feel knowing you've lied to so many people and stolen from them by deceiving them? How can you live with yourself?