HEATED Debate About GOD (With Mic Drop Ending!)
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In some ways It’s unfortunate that this debate gets as spicy as it does, and for the record, I don’t fully agree with all of the approaches taken throughout the video. That disclaimer aside, I do still believe that the topic at hand is of utmost importance & therefore worthy of commenting on (flaws and all). Thanks for tuning in and aiming at Truth & Grace! We need both in this world desperately !🙏
Greetings from UK. Great video.
Thanks for sharing and giving a great perspective on it.
Blessings to you in Christ
God made his people cannibals. This and god is nauseating.
The god defender at 2:06: “Human beings being Stardust WHAT'S WRONG WITH EATING BABIES”
Shit, the Bible is full of crazy stuff.
According to you noting, because eating your own children is a favourite way for god to punish his people. He was threatened with cannibalism.
Leviticus 26:27-29 “And YE SHALL EAT THE FLESH OF YOUR SONS, AND THE FLESH OF YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL YE EAT."
Deuteronomy 28:53 Because of the suffering --- YOU WILL EAT THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.
54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the FLESH OF HIS CHILDREN THAT HE IS EATING. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you-so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot-will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 THE AFTERBIRTH FROM HER WOMB AND THE CHILDREN SHE BEARS. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
@@horace9341 God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our podium jockey, here. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
@@willievanstraaten1960 Surprise seeing you here sharing what little you know about ancient cultural writings, lol. Nothing you quoted is a desire or a directive from God. It's a consequence of their own making.
Your foul language on a public forum (or any time) is a good thing, right? You complain about some things being wrong but other bad things are ok with you. That's the problem with an ungrounded morality. Who gets to decide what is good and bad, you, me?
Yeah, the Bible is full of crazy stuff just like any history book that records the bad stuff that has happened in history. But is seems that you are only looking for the crazy stuff and you ignore the good stuff.
Spicy😂 I like that LOL
I was an atheist for 15 years and i struggled to find this naturalistic wonder, he spoke of. I only found it by studying the Gospels and opening my heart to Jesus Christ.
I relate a lot to this! Thanks for sharing!
I've found the natural wonder and I'm happy to call it God. When your heart is open, you can see it.
This does not mean that any religion - Christian, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist (whatever) - has a precise understanding of what God is, or is the only path to God. If religions agreed, I'd be more likely to trust them - as they stand, they just seem a bunch of differing opinions on how to try and understand something larger than ourselves to me.
@@shanosummesteros9563 To start with, Hinduism does not have a god but many gods who are not creators but under the natural laws. They are not saviors either and they of course can't redeem us. Buddhism has no gods at all.
Lord Jesus (Yeshua Adonai) is the only God who ever walked on the earth teaching people. So we indeed have a very precise understanding of what God is. Jesus is not a religion and he did not come to establish a religion. Instead, Christianity means personal relationship with God. That is immeasurably far from religions.
Yes, I know we have the organized religion called Christianity. That just hasn't much to do with Christ himself.
@@shanosummesteros9563 You said: "If religions agreed"
@@RaRa-xv2bu I believe Jesus was a very real and influential historical figure but the Holy Trinity does not make logical sense to me. If God made Jesus, how can Jesus logically be equal to God? And if the father, Son and Holy spirit are all equal, and we are all part of the Holy spirit, then we must all be equal to God.
I don't necessarily see this as paganism though and I don't think paganism is in itself worse than any other spiritual movement when they are viewed as a whole.
Rather than pick a single religion, I think they are all attempts to understand God and all have useful things to say on spirituality.
"we live in a social contract"
problem with that is...
1. not everyone signed the contract
2. not everyone has the same contract
3. even with the same contract, not everyone interprets it the same way
4. apart from law, there's no way to enforce that contract
The social contract is not a specific set of rules. It merely describes the basic conditions required for people to coexist peacefully
1. You sign the contract the moment you admit "I want to live peacefully"
2. Every contract is fundamentally the same, dont commit violence or theft.
3. See number 2.
4. How is this a problem?
Refer to his number 3
Your ‘living peacefully’ can vary from another person ‘living peacefully ‘
Hence the number 4, law is required
@@isphenomenal If "living peacefully" is defined as living without fear of violence or theft, then no it does not vary from another person.
@@soulspiritghost2021
1. plenty of serial killers won't admit it
2. we'll agree to disagree. the fact i disagree with you is proof that not everyone signed the same contract.
3. your response to #2 has nothing to do with #3.
4. a contract is useless unless its enforceable. if that's not a problem for you, then be my guest.
@soulspiritghost2021 1. This only works within your own societies "contract" and says nothing about contracts that directly contradict yours outside of your "society." I.e., Stalin's Atheistic society and social contract involved taking out anyone who disagreed with the social norms, and thus millions were killed. What happens when someone disagrees with this contract? What should happen to them?
2. Incorrect. History tells us the exact opposite is true and violent campaigns of war and theft were more common than not.
3. Cope
You aren’t destroying the person you are destroying their delusion and lies they have encased themselves in. That’s a necessary step towards opening their minds.
Casting down imaginations... II Corinthians 10:3-5
@@jabmorrisReligion is literally all imaginary!
Magic, witches, demons, spirits, fairies, sticks turning to snakes.....
Shaking up ones passions whether true or false helps initiate a deeper look into what is believed or either lacking in that belief.
I think we want to be careful - speaking from experience, people who are incapable of making claims on truth are deeply in thrall to nihilism. Nihilism is extremely precarious and if the rug is pulled out from underneath a person they might suffer epistemic collapse. They might give themselves over to the devil.
When that happened to me I didn't have anybody to nudge me toward God so I imploded under my own wickedness. Glory to God, He finally got through to me but it was touch-and-go for a very long time.
The presuppositional argument is effective and it is based on the Truth but it might be a little too close to the letter of the law while lacking the Spirit.
It's interesting that one cannot tell from your comment whether you're a theist or atheist, as both sides would say that.
"I don't have faith, I have confidence." 😂
At the end of the day, that was an argument of semantics. "Confidence is to have faith" the religious perspective of faith is to have confidence in things that make sense to those who already believe it themselves, and they tried to equate that to the atheists confidence that certain things are right and wrong. However, as the 20 minutes were scrubbed, a lot of this was taken out of context. The atheist has certain perimeters for what gives them confidence in a subject, for example right and wrong, as where the religious version of faith depends upon what seems to make sense to them, contrast to atheistic belief that something needs to prove itself for it to be right. The "mic drop" referenced in this video was somewhat disappointing
@@Gliese504errr wrong many top athiests say they don't have faith or work with faith yet every scientist has faith, there isn't different types of faith especially with Christianity it's not a blind faith it's evidence based faith its not blind faith scientist have the same faith and its all based off evidence infact there is no such thing as an athiests because even they believe that something supernatural must have happened to create everything we see today
@@Gliese504God bless you.
If confidence is derive from the word faith than he has faith in his own sureness of his opinion. That doesn’t mean he has faith God exists. That’s not a gotcha moment that God exists. That’s playing a word game.
Etymological fallacy
14:06 you hit the nail on the head with this... as much as I love to win a debate or argument, but when it comes to God and Christianity I just want to open up people's minds and hearts to Jesus and the Gospel. I'm 47 and was atheist for 95% of my life. God bless anyone who reads this post.
God made his people cannibals. This and god is nauseating.
The god defender at 2:06: “Human beings being Stardust WHAT'S WRONG WITH EATING BABIES”
Shit, the Bible is full of crazy stuff.
According to you noting, because eating your own children is a favourite way for god to punish his people. He was threatened with cannibalism.
Leviticus 26:27-29 “And YE SHALL EAT THE FLESH OF YOUR SONS, AND THE FLESH OF YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL YE EAT."
Deuteronomy 28:53 Because of the suffering --- YOU WILL EAT THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.
54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the FLESH OF HIS CHILDREN THAT HE IS EATING. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you-so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot-will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 THE AFTERBIRTH FROM HER WOMB AND THE CHILDREN SHE BEARS. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
Awesome
That's the point. when it comes to God and Christianity I just want to open up people's minds and hearts to Jesus and the Gospel because you have no argument..
@@MrCraigBlakeso negative. So what's your argument? I'll play.
God bless you, my brother in Christianity.
In my 51 years of life. I have always witnessed the atheist with the gotcha moments, the atheist always sounded logical, and made the believers sound like a fairytale. Not sure what has happened other than divine influence to make eyes see and ears hear the truth of God. I have been found by God and I have never been happier in my entire life.
I have confidence in God!
God doesn’t care about you though. If you believe he does, you haven’t read the Bible.
@@oponentgull186others4 You speak from a platform of ignorance. You have *NEVER* read the Bible from cover to cover and you have *NEVER* studied the Bible so all you can do is parrot what your handlers programmed you to believe about the Bible.
@@oponentgull186others4 Maybe it's you that doesn't understand the Wisdom of God.
God _is_ love.
What part of the Bible makes you feel unloved by God?
@@sinsinnomore5555 let’s see. The genocide, lying, slavery. Also the clearly sloppily put together design.
@@oponentgull186others4Have you forgotten satan? God is love, righteousness, just and fair, something that harms you doesnt come from God but from satan
As a very educated and logical thinker Jeff's use of a latin mic drop was amazing! the kind of stuff i loved. as soon as he said "i'll get that one" I knew what he was up to and it was glorious!
Nh, he is nasty little fanatic who simply must strawman his opponent.
One that he used wrong latin translation, and other is it works only in english, this argument has no sense in other languages.
@@alexnorth3393Are God-less people who will commit organized criminal acts next week the same as Jeff or better than Jeff because they are nonbelievers according to your description of Jeff?
@@alexnorth3393nice opinion.
He got the Latin wrong and is a flagrant liar and misrepresentor extraordinaire
I hate it when somebody asks a question but then interrupts every time the other person tries to respond.
As a Christian, I agree with the Christian panel that the atheistic perspective does not have a premise for right and wrong. But I really wish they interrupted less. It came off as disrespectful. Less of a debate and more of a shouting match
I agree, this particular debate was a bit chaotic. Both parties agreed to this “interrogation” type format rather than the usual debate format which is a bit more formal, but still, I do agree here 👍
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom I see, that bit of context helps. At least both sides agreed to it. Thanks and keep up the great work, brother!
Morality is obviously a man made concept.
I agree about the atheistic perspective/world-view. If human beings have no intrinsic value, and if there is no Arbiter, then how can you argue that something like sl@very (among other things) is wrong? 🧐🧐🧐
_'the atheistic perspective does not have a premise for right and wrong'_
We homo sapiens have evolved as a social species. This is why we have empathy [morality] hard wired into our DNA. This is also demonstrable in many other socially evolved species.
Evolution selects for the survival of the fittest and groups that work together and care for others in the group are more successful at surviving and passing on their genes to their offspring. No God required.
Outstanding line. "Becoming a Christian...[is] going from suppressing the truth to professing it." It's true whether we believe it or not. We do not decide what is true because we cannot determine or create truth.
Ephesians 2:8-9
@@DarksTavern God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our podium jockey, here. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
Atheism is based in truth. All religions are based on pretending to know things that nobody knows then convincing others of those lies.
So he basically said that truth exists and that Christianity is the truth.
Next step is to prove the latter.
Islam is a religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World,
Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel,
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own,
It comes from the one who has sent me.”
[John 7:16]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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As a believer, I found the Christian table a little dismissive and pompous. They definitely weren't there to discuss, but win an argument.
Watch it in its entirety. This is from the cross examination section and is precisely the way it’s supposed to go. The same exact thing was done on the other cross examination. You have a specific time to ask questions. And it’s important not to allow long, drawn out answers to chew up the time.
Both sides were there to prove their point obviously.
We’re born with moral compass
How do we stick to that moral compass?
It's part of God's design for us to have instead morals. That's how we know eating babies is wrong.
Hot take: The Christians had to grow balls and go for the victory points. This was needed for a while now. We have been too passive-
Lol Christians don't need to "grow balls" dear they just need to present "EVIDENCE" something severely lacking it appears 😉
@@trumpbellend6717 or what type of evidence does the atheists want to accept.
@@sarshanden8033
Well to be perfectly honest with you I don't know what specifically I would find sufficient to convince me of the "extrodinary" supernatural biblical claims. The biblical God however is said to be omniscient omnipotent and omnibenevolent.
So he would not only know precisely what would convince me he would also be able to provide it and yet ....
I AM UNCONVINCED 🤔
I can draw to possible conclusions from this ....
( 1 ) The biblical God does not want me to know of his existence
( 2 ) The biblical God does not exist ....
Either way that's not my problem 😜
But I think we can narrow our posiblities down even further because I think it's in Timothy ? that jesus states he wants everyone to know of God's existence. That leaves one option, I will let you figure it out 😜
@@sarshanden8033
Let's structure this in the form of a logical syllogism with premises and a conclusion, then you can indicate which specific premises you disagree with that would invalidate the derived conclusion ........
*Premise one*
The Christian God is said to be morally perfect, loving, omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.
*Premise two*
Belief in this specific god is required to prevent an eternal torture and attain salvation.
*Premises three*
The Christian God wants all to know of his existence and thus be saved.
*Premise four*
The Christian God would have both the ability and desire to demonstrate his existence to all.
*Premise five*
More that three quarters of the world population do not think the Christian God exists.
*Conclusion*
The Christian God as described does *NOT* exist
You just explained why many Christians will say you actually do know god exists but you suppress the truth in your mind…..😂 that’s how they work around your logic
I really love how Brandon explained in last that it's not about winning debate. It's about winning souls. Amen! Life without God is meaningless and hopeless.
God bless you brother.
Arfan Moris is here.
You need higher standards.
@@snatchsnatcher9084 There is no higher standard.
There are billions of people who don’t believe in god, living meaningful and hopeful lives 👍🏼
No such thing as a soul. When you die, you're dead. Zero evidence of a soul.
In order to save a soul, you have to show proof of a soul....crickets....
"What's wrong with eating babies?" said so casually wouldn't even make it to my top 1,000,000 list of things I was expecting Pastor Durbin to ask 💀 he's awesome, I watch a lot of Apologia stuff. He really has a heart for those who are lost and his patience (especially on his street apologetics vids) can only come from God
i eat baby deer, baby fish, baby chicken nothing wrong with eating babies
Nah, it came from eating too much ecstasy in his Vegas days.
A universally held opinion is still an opinion. To be an objective fact then it has to be demonstrated to exist outside of a human mind
@@NicholasLaDieu okay. If you ever are in front of a judge for murder charges, I want you to look him in the eyes and say "Hey maaaan, murder is just your opinion man. Can't give me charges cause it's just a universal opinion" and let me know how that goes for ya 😏
@@bonivermectin4087 an appeal to emotion doesn't help you prove that concepts exist independent of minds. Use a better argument. Demonstrate an objective moral.
I was an atheist most of my life and recently converted to Catholicism. All the doubt and fear I had have left me and all of my questions have been answered through faith.
You made the first step, however You don’t need religion just Jesus.
Grab your KJV and study.
@@lilakscythis would only strenghten his faith in catholicism. When you truely study the Bible and what the first christians believed, you can only be catholic
Bang 🎉
@@lilakscy Jesus words completely contradict this (even in the KJV). He defined the church and is the bridegroom of the Church. From the church come His spiritual children. KJV is not the direct translation. The Standard version or complete with all “thees” and “thous” the Douay-Rheims.
You will become an atheist again if you stay with Catholicism.
They are the antichrist revealed in the book of revelation.
I wish these types of debates were more advertised and publicized so people could attend them. I would love to be at one of these events.
This was a weak debate though.
This was the worst debate I've ever seen. The theistic side came full of contempt and talking over answers. Just because modern political debates are devoid of any grace doesn't mean it looks good to be an arrogant asshole. I do enjoy watching old Hitchens as he would have delt with such brash pointed tounges with a measure of dignity and word smithing as to send them running.
@willscott596 Frank Turek. He goes all around the country doing it. Legend.
Turek is a well thought man. He really fell hard on his Hitchens debates though.
They are definitely riveting discussions.
Father continue to bring as many lost sheep home as possible in Jesus mighty name 🙏
Appreciate the content here, brother. You’re right about the winning souls and I think often times it’s easy to want to win the debate. It’s easy to want revenge when you’ve been wronged but your words reminded me that God is able to save even to the uttermost and one thing God has put in my mind recently is that our character is a better testimony than our perfect knowledge as seen in multiple areas of scripture. May God call to Himself those who are His, even to those who are currently His enemies. God cannot deny Himself. God bless you, brother.
Even through hard times as Christians it’s vital to trust God. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. I have fallen on difficult times since covid. And I’m ashamed. I lost my job for declining the vaccine. My health is why I declined. I suffer from heart disease and lupus. I tried to get my job back but Forsyth hospital but they still prefer vaccinated employees vs unvaccinated. I’m now waitressing and I’m so thankful but not making nearly enough. I struggle every month to pay rent and to buy groceries. I have two beautiful children, both suffer from autism. I’m overwhelmed but I’m choosing to keep faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. So as I struggle I Thank you Heavenly Father and I thank you Yeshua I will keep faith! Amen! Please keep me and my children in your prayers. God bless you. ❤
I will pray for you and the children!! God bless you sister!! 🙏🏿🩷
I wish you and your family well but why did your all knowing, all loving, all powerful god give your children autism? Your life appears to look like how life would look if there was not a supernatural entity controlling everything don’t you think?
Sending strength from Australia, Tiff! God bless you and your children
I just had to comment so I could tell you that I felt your words 😢I went through some tough times recently it was almost 2 yrs of complete loss but the whole time I Heard the lord he spoke to me said Hold Still Hold On sometimes we go through toughest times and in those times we realize walking in faith is all I had and when that breakthrough comes Ooooo let me tell ya Gods been restoring everything I lost and more 🙌🙌 my husband lost his job now he has a better job than he had for 20 yrs We had to place our 2 girls with my mom and dad for just a bit until I got back on my feet they turned my power off but now my power bill runs 400 less then it has in years 🙌 during the hard time we found out I was pregnant 🤰 and we got our son he was born with club foot in both feet 👣 but you would never know by looking at his feet it’s amazing 🤩 God has restored everything plus more I even started my own business something I never thought I would achieve but I’ve done it ❤Not only will God restore what the devil stolen from you but he will multiply it and trust in god’s promises he will give you the desires of your heart ❤️ So Hold Still Hold on Tiff bc your breakthrough is coming 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
I applaud your clarification, that is not about "destroying" but winning souls for Christ. God bless you, sir!
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ.
2 Cor 10:5
Your cult is on the decline.
@@Rubberglass Well, then there was Hitchens. That is a man who will be missed. Watching him destroy Tureks arguments in the most eloquent of manners without interrupting him like these goons was wonderful.
@@robertmorrison107 According to atheist religion, What is wrong about incest?
Should we ask richard dorkins? commie harris? Maybe mat pedolahunty?
I have to say, I usually don't like to listen to a person commentating on other videos but you come across so honest, it works for me.
I was an atheist for around half my life, I’m 30, I was abusing drugs and alcohol to suppress my own misery caused by living in unrepentant and sin and I hated myself and others by extension. I had a dead faith for a few years, but in this past year God has given me a new heart that wishes to serve him and spread the gospel to those who need to hear it. I can honestly say I’ve never been more fulfilled in my day to day life than now and I pray that God would use me to show others his love, mercy, glory, and saving grace.
God bless you! Same story here!
I am an atheist and I don't abuse drugs or alcohol lol I just go to work and come home to hang with my girlfriend and cat haha Pretty sure a lot of christians abuse drugs and alcohol. I am glad you are happy and got over the addiction, but I don't need religion to not do bad things.. Like I still have morals and values that align with the good values of religion. I don't need to pray to some dude in the sky to be able to decide whether or not to give to charity or be openminded and accepting. I just do it because I believe in being a good person.
@@wesmills2106 praise God. We don't pray to a "dude in the sky", though. That's just a childish thing that atheists claim.
@@showmeanedge Right and to say, "I was an Athiest" is religious lies. If you were truly Athiest, you would see the flaws with religion, and you would be unable to unsee it. This is from a Catholic, too. Not everyone has to believe in a God in order to be morally good. And believing in a God doesn't make you instantly morally good, either.
@someone6531 Exactly! It doesn't make logical sense to go from rational thinking to irrational thinking. Probably thousands of people "wake-up" mentality every year and realize that they've been duped while they were indoctrinated in their church or the religious teachings of their parents. Once you become an atheist, you can't unsee religious dogma. These "I used to be an atheist" statements are just lies.
Awesome video mate. I used to be a devout atheist, I could explain everything away, but the one thing I couldn’t get away from was the absolute despair that I felt that life was absolutely pointless. I came to the point I couldn’t resist God any longer. As He pursued me mercilessly in His mercy for me…..that was 33 years ago.
I’ve noticed since then that God has raised up a generation of people that can easily refute the (*edited) claims of atheism. ❤️😉😎👍🏻
We live in exciting times.
Praise the Lord.
Hallelujah 🙌
@@olatundegideon5486 Praise the Lord indeed!! 😎👍🏻
Another one caught up in emotions and feelings……you guys have a pattern. Your mental state of Feeling despair or feeling happy are irrelevant to truth. Sometimes truth sucks. Get over it
I’m glad you have found happiness, but that doesn’t make atheism “idiotic”. I would never try to deconvert or argue with anyone who is truly happier as a theist, but I would advise you not to call anyone names, particularly those who make up the majority of the world’s top philosophers and scientists.
@@shankz8854 They’re the ones I was referring to. 😁😁😁
"I am an atheist and I have a perspective but there is no such thing as an atheist perspective." 😂 Durbin is tenacious.
The atheist perspective is: non belief in a god or gods.
There’s no such thing as ONE atheist perspective. If I ask what’s the Baptist perspective on how long was Jesus in the tomb. There an agree upon view. Atheist agree that we don’t see enough evidence for god out side of that we wouldn’t have an agree upon view. Like you can be an atheist and not believe in evolution. So there definitely isn’t an agree upon view of why we shouldn’t eat baby’s.
Clearly, even a _slightly_ advanced English sentence is too much nuance for you to decipher
@@DS-si9hgThats the modern definition, the enlightenment atheists, who are the pioneers from which your naturalism comes from, had a VERY different definition of atheism.
@@22beanbean There are plenty of atheist perspectives, however they are all equally illogical and preclude the ability to even use logic and reason.
Honestly, people need to hear the truth, provided they're listening. In the process of listening and they're convicted, whether they feel defeated, insulted or hurt, it doesn't matter as long as it was said with love and respect as mentioned in the Bible. Thank God for my Christian friends for continuing to water the seed of faith in me all while God provide the increase. Hallelujah!! 🙌🙌🙌
Yeah the “truth”
I always question my questions. Through many endless rabbit holes I’ve been, but always the journey brings me back to the bible. It has answered more clearly and simply every journey of questions I’ve been on. Even the Rig Veda brought me back to the bible.
I've watched that debate a couple of times and it's a great lesson on presuppositional apologetics but I have to compliment your comments helping us to not forget what is truly at stake in such encounters. Thanks.
Me too. I love hearing this debate. It's so good. God bless.😊
Dont you think presuppositional apologetics is a very empty line of reasoning? Very immature, superficial has no intellectual value. Thoughts?
A god is a very ancient human invention, a way to make sense of reality. We know so much more in 2023, right? Shouldnt we as humans evolve past those magical superstitious concepts? I think so...@@aHavenForTheLost
@@MrStaano Reasoning? Doesn't that require the laws of logic? And what's your basis for those?
We both do not have a "bases". You just have a religious belief. I think you would be better off if you just admitted you believe on emotional and cultural reasons. Growing up in certain religious culture make most people defend the faith they were brought up in. You could have been a muslim defending islam if you were born into another family. Right?@@firstthes2811
“We don’t eat babies because we will no longer be” shows the depravity of an atheist! He doesn’t realize how stupid of a stance this is.
Yes, I agree. But if you ask a stupid question, most likely you'll get a stupid answer.
Exactly!!
Why would they be stupid answers? Most stupid questions are either common knowledge questions the person should already know the answer to, or incorrectly phrased questions (in which case the answer would be: your question doesn’t make sense)……
@@DS-si9hg Human do not eat babies, it's not
"because they will no longer be." That's not the reason, get it? The answer is inhuman.
We don’t eat babies because god states it is wrong … wow, that’s really the only reason you don’t eat babies? Why don’t you go pour acid on babies, god didn’t tell you not to.
Thank you sir, for all you do for the body of Christ. You have really discovered your field of witnessing, God bless you sir.
"If we are all stardust, what is wrong with eating babies?"
"Does stardust eat stardust?"
Lmao that question had to be trolling. A lot of animals and even people are born to not being able to comprehend that is wrong.
The problem I have is that Jeff kinda negates the inherent qualities that God instills in every soul to seek the good, whether or not that soul comes to have faith in Him or not. It is only when that soul chooses evil and actively does it that such an intrinsic idea may be lost.
I think that it's a false dichotomy that Jeff sets up here. A person can be moral and be an Atheist based upon the natural law and principles that God instills in every soul.
That doesn't get him to Paradise, however, which may or may not have been discussed in this clip.
After watching a few of these, I am starting to see a familiar pattern;
When a difficult question is asked, the answerer changes the question- usually into something tangentially related and easier for them to answer.
It's extremely frustrating to watch, but is also a good way to determine what the really important questions are.
It is even frustrating as an atheist to watch the atheists avoid or miss the crux of the question.
"I said nothing about values". Exactly.
For me and like minded people he moral grounding for morality is based upon our values, wellbeing, empathy, respect, equality, altruism, reprocity. We try to actualize a healthy flourishing coperative society based upon said values that is why one "ought" to treat another's as you would like to be treated, One "ought not steal if you wish to live in a society were property is not stolen. This is our "reference point" or standard.
One "should" or "ought" do something if Its conducive with the actualisation of a situation that conforms with one's values and goals. These "values" themselves are subjective by definition however it is entirely possible to make Objective declarations or decisions 'Within a pre-agreed framework of subjective values'.
Values are socially approved desires and goals that are internalised through the process of conditioning, learning or socialisation and that become subjective preferences, standards and aspirations”. its a shared idea about how something is ranked in terms of desirability, worth or goodness
The words "Good" and "Evil" are used to describe movement or points on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared values. Whilst your "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of your "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant to me in any discussion of morality.
*Why 'OUGHT' one do what your subjective God desires* ?? 🙄🤔
I always love when the opening statement is something like "Christians are crazy because there is no way you can tell everyone that your God is right and everyone else is wrong. Now listen to why everyone is wrong and my world view is right" lol
I always love when the opening statement is something like "atheists only have subjective morals there is no way they can tell everyone what us right and wrong. Now listen while I tell you how only the perceived whims of the subjective invisible guardian who is the "correct" one in *MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION* is the basis for morality" 🤭
In the near future a belief in religion will Indicated mental illness...just saying.
Thanks for the video bro! 😀
These moral questions can only be answered under The Authority of The Most High! These are higher concepts that humanity can’t determine for each other ourselves…7billion+ different perspectives on right vs. wrong invites chaos…
God made his people cannibals. This and god is nauseating.
The god defender at 2:06: “Human beings being Stardust WHAT'S WRONG WITH EATING BABIES”
Shit, the Bible is full of crazy stuff.
According to you noting, because eating your own children is a favourite way for god to punish his people. He was threatened with cannibalism.
Leviticus 26:27-29 “And YE SHALL EAT THE FLESH OF YOUR SONS, AND THE FLESH OF YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL YE EAT."
Deuteronomy 28:53 Because of the suffering --- YOU WILL EAT THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.
54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the FLESH OF HIS CHILDREN THAT HE IS EATING. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you-so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot-will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 THE AFTERBIRTH FROM HER WOMB AND THE CHILDREN SHE BEARS. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
Do you think the 3000 or so gods that humans have worshiped and looked to for guidance over the past 5000 years has produced stability?
@@blacksilus7419 No, those thousands of false gods offer no Truth…only The One True God, Yahuah, can offer Truth to the world as All Truth belongs to Him!
@@RoadBloc85 interesting … and exactly what all the worshippers of all the other gods would say.
One truth. John 14:6 still remains!! Every word of God is true!
Absolutely loved this one. ❤️ Thank you
I wanted this analysis to be longer!
Love all of your videos, thank you
Arrogant believers are a problem for believers
...wow. The Truth hurts the one that does not have it. Is that you? Not being arrogant. Just asking a question.
Some of them are also the greatest defenders of the " Word" of the living God...but over time even they will learn to try to speak in humility, because this is God's way. Its a learning process for each person.
@@gerrystevens1694 Can a Christian be arrogant? Should a Christian be arrogant?
@@bjornegan6421 a true Christian meaning the one who follows Christ and his teachings can’t be arrogant cause humility is one of the keys. But can a man be arrogant ? Yes.
@@bjornegan6421 ...well, it's a matter of perspective. The only arrogance I saw was the atheists. People need to drop the "feelings". But, to your question...Is it right to eat babies?
Not about winning the debate but winning for JESUS ‼️
A real god wouldnt need help. However, an imaginary one needs all the help it can get
@@snatchsnatcher9084not really, humans would still deny truth.
@@snatchsnatcher9084 Heaven or Hell, "claim, copies of copies or we just don't know, "don't stay fooled, one day we'll all see..
@@reedblackwell6262 wtf are you trying to say?
He is dead
Awesome channel. Many thanks.
As a former atheist. I realized that i was closed monded to anything that didnt align with my poibt of view. Once I accepted that i could be wrong I was actually able to see the through physics of the undeniable evidence of God.
Im glad I have faith through evidence and not becuase it was hammered in.
and what is that undeniable evidence?
@@cloakedsquid Why are you asking?
@@Live-Life-Freely because i don't believe in a god and have not seen any good evidence, so if there's undeniable evidence then I'd like to know
@@cloakedsquid Do you believe you're right?
@Live-Life-Freely i believe that i havent seen any good evidence to warrant belief in a god
Currently watching this while cashiering at work. Good video. Helps to grow us in our Faith. Jesus is King🕊️
Burger king?
@@DartNoobo nah, Ace is the Place with the helpful hardware folks.
God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our podium jockey, here. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
@@davidcow4889lmao. That was me when I was watching videos while working the garden department at Home Depot
@@djSevalFerrick lmao we gotta get a better work ethic🤣
That last bit sent chills yo
Maybe the greatest atheist quote ever. "My beliefs do not guide my morals in anyway."
It's very easy to argue from the position of "I have no position or stance on anything. Proof my wrong."
Being sure I could debunk the Bible in a dedicated weekend, I became a Bible believer. Remove the miracles 👀 and the historical accuracy, and so much prophesy fulfilled in the over 5k years of its existence?!?! There had to be an Eternal Author that orchestrated It’s Words! Won’t ramble, thanks for all you do and God Bless ☝🏽💜🦋
not to discredit your research and conclusions, only kinda..the prophecies are mostly vague enough to come true, just like how tarot cards are vague enough to come true for anyone since so many things happen in x amount of time that *something* akin to the tarot cards predictions would happen, just like how given enough time evolution will produce so many kinds of species, just like humans who are capable of complex thoughts like us. The difficulty with trusting prophecies is that so many of them have already been fulfilled throughout history without *any* of the stated consequences happening yet. But yeah already many of the prophecies required for Christ to come back have been completed and still there is no Jesus coming back to earth. That's all I had to say
@@Gliese504 well, if that’s all you have to say, that doesn’t mean it’s the “end all” but 😬 a real theological study of prophecies would prove a sequence like no other “prediction”, especially as random as a tarot card. If you did a deep dive into Daniel, Revelation and knew world history, I’m sure you’d be shook. Nobody wants to do the actual work to understand their true history with ‘accredited resources’. We are in the time of knowledge, where lies flourish. Seek and you will find but don’t be discouraged by fools that know very little! Knowledge is Power, you’ll know it when you meet It 😉💜🦋💜
@@LettiesLife I'm sure if I did a deep enough dive with confirmation bias towards prophecies I would find them to be true, but I look at only what's factual and forward in words. A true prophecy wouldn't have to be as vague as they are. No dates, no specific people mentioned, no countries, anything like that. So why would I ever believe the prophecies? Revelations hasn't even happened yet according to your bible, not to mention hundreds upon thousands of people throughout the 19th and 20th century have claimed revelations was coming to fruition and it still didn't.
Great video and thoughts throughout. Really grateful for what you're doing.
Love that you brought it back to the heart of God. Which is the redemption of all mankind. Hallelujah
Truth is what we all need to hear.
'Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people'. Romans 5:18.
The way Sye just turns and looks at the atheist panel when defining confidence was top class. 😊 He just had that look of "check mate" 😂
Based on my experience, I know that cutting in between the sentence that somebody is speaking would increase the likelyhood of that person who was speaking to get mad, therefore increasing the chance that a war would erupt in that conversation. Debators should mind that when they are debating something, 1 person speak at a time, let him/her finish, then it's the other person's turn to speak. Is it so hard?!
This is a *timed* event and also a debate, it's not a typical conversational format.
@@Masculai1zit’s not a debate if you ask somebody a question, then consistently talk over them whilst they try to answer your question…
@EarthtoAdam95 he's filibustering. He never answered the question.
Why is it that atheists always forget that some of us WERE hyper skeptical atheist for a long time too?
Because in most cases people don’t go from being extremely logical to being gullible and rejecting logic in favor of emotions.
@@DS-si9hgHaha that’s hilarious. I’ve worked in sales. It’s the people who think they’re the most logical that always end up making deeply emotional purchases.
You’re delusional if you think you can eliminate your emotions entirely from your thinking.
@@DS-si9hgFirst of all atheizm makes no fckn sense at all and why i always see emotional beta atheists scresming how evil God, Bible and Christians are? Strange
@@DS-si9hg Since you do not realize, one of the largest battles a Christian has is one over his emotions guiding his thinking. A Christian who operates fundamentally on what the 'feel' instead of what they know, and what they know by God's Word at that, is one who is serving himself.
There's nothing wrong with coping mechanisms that don't hurt other people.
Indeed it is not about winning debates, but about revealing truth for people to see. Praise the Lord.
I love Jeff Durbin and Apologia!
The analogy of accountability to a piece of shrapnel is spot on
it's not,we're not just matter,we're sentient beings. would you say that a slab of concrete has the same moral value as a human,no,you wouldnt.
@@experimental605without God we’re all just things sentient or not, if it all came about for no reason. Concrete could be of more value to me than a person’s life in that perspective. After all, it would be completely subjective with no ultimate accountability. Violating the “social contract” would only be disadvantageous for the victim. And if that’s the case, then better not let yourself become one. Especially if we weren’t designed with a right way to live in mind, because there would be no mind to speak of.
@@gmb7200 none of what you were yapping about disproves anything I said? Saying we were "designed" is a disgrace to literally every field studying the past and evolution, we've evolved over time to get to where we are now,we weren't just created and plopped here on earth by some "higher being". I could honestly go on and on about this topic,but let's be honest,it won't go anywhere because evry religious person of debated about he topic has not understood a word of what I've said.
Pastor Jeff is such a genuine man of God. May God cover him even more!
Sye Ten Bruggencate, the christian in the middle, was kicked of his church for 'moral failure with vulnerable women''
Look it up...
That "con fide" line blew my mind
So thankful Jeff is on our side.
I love your heart for the unbeliever. A great example of how we are to treat those who are not yet saved by Jesus. ✝️
Arguing doesn't change anyone's mind. It's hearts that need to change.
Keep up the great work brother. God is using you to reach many souls. Take care.
The reality is that it takes way more faith to believe in no creator or Father of mankind. When you have the ability to reason why the sun, moon and earth are placed where they are so that a tiny moon covers the massive sun "perfectly" in the solar eclipse. Not an accident but perfect order. Atheist reject science, reason and reality.
It doesn’t take faith to simply not believe something but rather the lack of evidence to not believe something. You theist are the ones who require faith in your religion not the people who don’t believe in your religion.
@@iam604 Wrong.. That which can be asserted without "Evidence" Can be "Dismissed" without evidence...Tell me who said that. I will wait for the answer..
Why your Worldview is a Bigots argument..Always has been...
@@iam604He's saying it requires more faith to believe this world has been put together by trillions of random chances rather than a Creator. Not that it requires faith to simply not believe.
That is the fine tuning of the universe, and I have heard atheist debators say it is the most difficult area for them to debate. I like the morality argument. Where do morals come from if not God? (edit: changed to "morals")
@@buffalofinances
_'Where do moral come from if not God?'_
We homo sapiens have evolved as a social species. This is why we have empathy [morality] hard wired into our DNA. This is also demonstrable in many other socially evolved species.
Evolution selects for the survival of the fittest and groups that work together and care for others in the group are more successful at surviving and passing on their genes to their offspring. No God required.
Jesus Christ is the TRUTH and those that know KNOW!!
“When the student is ready the teacher will appear”
Christ is a fraud a cheat,a scam.And as a Hindu I am here to inform you,I shall never surrender my religious freedom to you.
Amen! Thanks for making this video. God bless your ministry brother.
God bless Preacherman that you not really a Preacher.
No matter who is right or wrong here, the Atheists seemed to handle the debate with more civility. Hardly impressed by the Christian speakers cutting off the others, and seemingly hoping for ‘gotcha’ moments. Your videos of Frank Turek are much more impressive with how one should handle themselves. These gentleman would push me further away from God with their lack of character.
I totally agree with what you stated at the end. We tend to forget at times that it's not about winning debates or "beating" each other in arguments with what we know. We do that A LOT. That's the mentality of most if not all non Christians when they get into debates or arguments with us.
But we as Christians should always remember what our calling is for. To win over souls and plant the seed in their hearts. We must remember that we are not called to win debates. It's sad when we do think about winning however.
But it's NOT about winning debates. It's about planting God's seed.
Amen. 🙏🏽
Grow up stop holding back humanity.
How many invisible supernatural beings do you believe in?
@jjevans1693 apparently more than you I presume. 🤣
@@richyaxl1151
You would need EVIDENCE to convince me dear, something Christians are lacking it seems 😜
@trumpbellend6717 evidence, you say? And how much evidence would you require in order to be convinced? If you were to witness God Himself right before your very eyes. Wouldn't you simply say to yourself afterwards, "Gosh, I must've been hallucinating".? 🤣
@@richyaxl1151
Well to be perfectly honest with you I don't know what specifically I would find sufficient to convince me of the "extrodinary" supernatural biblical claims. The biblical God however is said to be omniscient omnipotent and omnibenevolent.
So he would not only know precisely what would convince me he would also be able to provide it and yet ....
I AM UNCONVINCED 🤔
I can draw to possible conclusions from this ....
( 1 ) The biblical God does not want me to know of his existence
( 2 ) The biblical God does not exist ....
Either way that's not my problem 😜
But I think we can narrow our posiblities down even further because I think it's in Timothy ? that jesus states he wants everyone to know of God's existence. That leaves one option, I will let you figure it out 😜
Jeff Durbin always brings the spice
Is the spice called presuppositional apologetics? That’s all he brings lol. He will resort to points like: how do you even know you exist? How do you know logic is logical? 😂😂😂😂
@@DS-si9hg lol how telling that the only way they can even make their imaginary friend a possibility is to question reality itself 😂🤣😂😂🤩
@@trumpbellend6717 to be fair questioning reality itself is not a religious philosophy only. It’s a very secular philosophy that Christian apologists will grab on to and use in a debate to make certain points 😂 like oh yeah? Don’t believe in god? Well prove to me how you are sure you exist and this isn’t a dream or simulation
We don’t eat babies because we’re biologically responsible to continue our species…same reason sex is desirable and pleasurable…it’s not that difficult.
Do you support eugenics? If not, why not?
The atheist wants zero accountability for the lies he says yet he wants to condemn the truth the Bible proves. Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good.
I looked at why I believe what I believe and the “truth” and that is when I became the zealous Christian I am today ☺️.
"Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted. Its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS
you believe what you believe because it makes you feel better. Thats all. Nothing necessarily wrong with that untill you start messing with others.
@@edgaraf9411
Wow you just said something objectively incorrect! How about you think before you speak next time?
@@GoToLiturgy how am I wrong. What is the truth then?
@@edgaraf9411
I quite literally said the truth in the original comment?
Are you selectively illiterate?
In my opinion, Humanity is the hardware and God is the software.
Well your OPINION like your morality is SUBJECTIVE dear.😜
More like the manufacturer and the source code.
I think this is a very thought provoking video, very interesting. If someone is down to discuss some points that were in the video with me I’d be glad to. I became atheist around 14-15 years old (by my own conclusions), and I’m open for discussion on the topic.
I was an atheist most of my life and recently nothing about that changed. It is an absoulute mystery to me how, otherwise completely normal people believe in divine magical stories, for the reasons they do. Reasons which they would not see as sufficient with any other topic.
How many times can these guys contradict their own statements?
That's what Christians do, it's just in their nature I guess
Yup I agree that it’s not about winning an argument! But some people will never understand or be willing to understand. I heard Frank Turek put it this way: if someone hates a band, they would rather be out in the rain and snow than have to listen to that band.
Some people simply hate God and would rather suffer in eternity than be with Him.
New Subscriber here, great video and commentary!
Awesome channel bro. You share some good content
“There is no atheistic perspective”
Are you atheist? “Yes”
Are you giving me perspective? “Yes”
🎤 💧
More like "atheist's perspective". If you want to know what a given atheist thinks about anything, you will have to ask him or her.
@@wet-readit’s just a ridiculous claim. If you are atheist you cannot give a justification for the existence of objective morality. That reality is consistent across all atheists. So to debate about whether or not there is such a thing as an atheistic perspective is simply just avoiding the question at hand.
@@Wachary1
Let me give you a scenario to demonstrate that moral "justification" and moral "good" do NOT depend on any "God" 👍
let's say the there is indeed a "creator god", ( NOT THE BIBLICAL GOD IN THIS SENARIO ) and let's say we all become aware of this one true "creator God" and understand implicitly and precisely how he wants us to live our lives and the rules that govern this but ..................
We also learn that following said rules would infact lead to humanity suffering an eternity of torture and suffering. 😱😱 Would it still be a "GOOD" thing to follow said rules ??? Would we be "justified" in following them ?? 🤔
*I would emphatically say NO to both questions* Indeed the total opposite would be the case following the rules would be a "BAD" thing and we would be entirely justified in NOT following them.
This is because the words "Good" and "justified" in actuality refer to our desires with regard to "WELLBEING" and the actualization of a situation that conforms with said desires, regarding wellbeing and the values it incorporates.
Now let's change our "God" to the Christian one, now we recognise that *EVEN IF* he exists and the things he tells us ( his laws ) would lead to an eternal paradise, it would only be "GOOD" to follow said laws because of their conforming with our perception of "WELLBEING" and we would only be "justified" in following said God if we determined this to be the case, so..........
We would be entirely "justified" in following a moral system based solely on wellbeing *UNTIL* a demonstration that a creator "God" EXISTS, we know specifically WHICH ONE out of the many thousands proposed is the "correct" one, that we have the "correct" interpretation of his wishes and laws ( 43,000 conflicting denominations just in Christianity ) and lastly that those wishes and laws conform to our perception of "Good" to "justify" this being mankind's moral reference standard.
Now call me fussy but I don't think its "Good" to kill children for making fun of baldness ( as the biblical God did ) Nor to own people as "PROPERTY" for forced labour. For the life of me I can't see how the stoning to death of people who gather sticks on a sabath could ever be said to be "Good" 🤔
I could go on and on and on .....
@@Wachary1
Tell me dear can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed.
If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍
The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔
@@Wachary1
Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are appropriate from those inappropriate. The recognition and evaluation of the consequences our choices have with regards to ourselves and others. My NOT believing in a mythological god in no way impedes the ability of forming such moral assessments.
We are self aware conscious pain and emotion feeling individuals capable of love or hate, incredible acts of altruism or depravity. It's how we navigate through life and these potential extremes that define us, not our belief ( or lack of ) in your specific subjective invisible friend.
I’m not and educated man, but even I can clearly see when the meaning of words are being redefined, as the atheist did with the word “perspective.” Jeff and company must have migraines from beating their heads against the wall. Great video, brother. I really love you and your ministry!!!
God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our podium jockey, here. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
Those with one foot in fantasyland authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones & magic.
The religious don't have ears to hear, the books of God are filled with faith & prayers:
Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital, the religious are only into convincing themselves.
Rabbi Podium Jockey should not take himself so seriously, nobody should.
The religious have no quality-controls.
God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
What is moral or ethical about suggestions of travel with one foot in some religious fantasyland?
A house divided cannot stand.
We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland.
'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.''
Come, let us worship Jesus.
Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings.
Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing.
Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs.
Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification.
A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature.
Oppression builds character among the dominated.
Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications?
Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar?
My sheep hear my voice.
Think not I come with peace, but sword.
The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too.
Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on.
Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it.
If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command.
We know there is no god outside of fiction.
Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control.
Think not I come with peace, but sword.
I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status.
When you realize the Gospels are mythology based on Greek epics - Dr. Dennis MacDonald
I went from evangelical to hurt believers, from hurt to anti church, from anti church to athiest, from athiest to nihilist, from nihilist to non denominational, non denom to to inquiring into traditional faith, to now as an EO Catechumen. These debates and conversations regardless their problems will bear fruit, praise Jesus!!!
"I know, I'll just avoid facing all of the implications of my perspective, by claiming that I have no perspective, while simultaneously asserting my perspective. Oh, and don't ask me to defend that perspective either, because it also isn't one."
“Confidence, confidere, with trust” that was hard hitting I’m not gonna lie lmao
With faith* not trust.
@@myvidaloka fide in latin means trust
@@Dread_2137 "fide" means all of that. They are kind of synonymous. Faith, trust, confidence.
Bona fide - in good faith. Adeste Fidelis- come all you faithful.
I have faith in my wife = I have trust in my wife = I have confidence in my wife.
The guy in the video got it right.
Atheist: There's no atheistic perspective!
Theist: Is that your perspective?
Thank it's not about destroying it's about leading a person to truth
The question about absolutes is amazing. This really gets to the point of what people think and believe.
I love Apologia Studios, his ministry and channel is a great Apologetics tool.
Do you believe in Calvinism?
He teaches false teachings and believes in work based salvation.
No I do not believe in Calvinism, it's not biblical. I do disagree with him on that topic. But there is still much to glean from his Apologetics in my opinion.
Does he believe in six day creation as layed out in Genesis.
Is Jeff a pre-millenialist.
Big Jeff bringing that 🔥
It's nice to be reminded that 'confidence' literally means 'with faith'
The thing i would ask the atheist is, "where'd the star dust come from?" They have to start with something already formed to begin their theory.
Sorry dear but the first law of thermodynamics states that *energy cannot be created or destroyed* we also know that energy can be converted into matter. Therefore we know that matter and energy have always existed. Conversely we have ZERO evidence for the existence of ANY invisible magical being that interacts with our reality.
Which of these seems the most likely....
Matter and energy have always .... "just existed"
Or
Matter and energy was created by a magical invisible being that has always ...... "just existed"
Ockham's Razor anyone ?? 🤔😂🤣
@@trumpbellend6717yawn
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lol is this a typical example of the dizzying heights your intellectual imput attains or did I just catch you on a really really bad day ? Perhaps it would be best if you just go back to your colouring book and leave these discussions to the adults dear 😉
@trumpbellend6717 no, you're just boring. You've commented on like a half dozen other comments and nobody has even acknowledged you. I threw you a bone by telling you how everyone feels about you. Yawn.
This was really not a good debate😅hate when they talk over each other, no professionalism.
It was a very spicy one! A bit too chaotic, I agree 🌶️
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdomit wasn’t just chaotic, it broke all of the rules for debate etiquette.
¡Gracias!
Thank you Carmen! Be blessed!
God bless bro, let's respond with love, wanting the best for anyone and everyone.
I’ve watched a few debates between Christian’s and atheists, and I usually enjoy watching them but this one was a rough watch. They interrupted way too much.I like watching these to hear points and counter points, different perspectives and having my thoughts and beliefs challenged. The way this debate went, they might as well have not even had an atheist panel.
Your last word here was so powerful. Amen, brother. Souls matter and what Christ did is sufficient and the Holy Spirit has power to open eyes and change hearts. I'm convinced these debates are most fruitful for the audiences that hear them - either to offer unconsidered truth, or to build confidence in the hearts of believers.
Thank you brother 🙏
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Bullshit brothers, huh?
@@jerrylong6238 God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our podium jockey, here. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands.
@@jerrylong6238 practice kindness
@@Stupidityindex How people can still be so delusional is pathetic.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
His statement about "skepticism" runs counter to my reading of what Sextus Empiricus claimed. If whatever can be learned can become un-learned, then there's no path to "The Truth".
He said "there is not atheistic perspective, yet in whole minutes he talking about his perspective as atheist. lol
vanilla ice cream is my favorite flavor. I have brown hair. do you think my preference for vanilla ice cream is a "brown-haired perspective?"
@@wiffleballer28 exactly... unfortunately too many people in this comment section as well as the creator of this video are lacking the critical thinking to understand that the only atheist perspective is the lack of belief in God(s)... it doesn't dictate ones moral beliefs.
So true! It is not about winning, it's about bringing people back to Christ, and knowing Who God is.
Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. - 2 Timothy 2:25-26
// " knowing who God is" //
Tell me dear is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one ? 🤔
Can we use *ANY* "God" as the basis for this "objective" moral standard you speak of.?? Or just the SPECIFIC SUBJECTIVE invisible being *YOU* determined to be the "correct" one out of the many thousands man has preposed.
If its the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if its the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍
The claim that theistic morality is somehow superior because its "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔