"Former Christian" Reveals His REAL Problem With God
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2023
- In this video, Frank Turek answers Bible questions from a young man who calls himself a "former Christian". But in the end, something deeper comes to light, something which is an important lesson for all of us.
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I abandoned my lifelong Christian faith during college thinking I was better than everyone else at church while completing a science major in college. After graduating, I realized I was just so full of myself and had become a slave to my own human pleasures. Like the prodigal son, I am back and more grateful than ever.
AMEN
Well college and university is an echo chamber against God. So you can kind of understand how he got to that situation.
Incorrect. College and universities are a haven for critical thinking. Questioning religion/faith is not going against god. If anything it strengthens your beliefs because they are tested.@@tezyo2975
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@@tezyo2975 Why wouldn't one's faith be strong enough for the world? Where was God in all of this? The ways of the world are, in general an echo chamber against God if we are to accept the scriptures. ""Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field." God apparently created the world so it would become corrupted due to sin. It was an intentional decision on God's part if an omnipotent God created the physical world. There is nothing with any power but what is ontologically powerful due to God's creative act and decision to give it power..
As a medical professional, science essentially solidified God's existence for me. We definitely have a designer of our universe ❤
Amen!!! That’s my testimony as well, science brought me to God!!
Science has done the exact same thing for me. I've gone to school to be an aerospace engineer because the science behind aeronautics is just fun and exciting for me. And then stuff happened and now I'm a studying to be a medical doctor. Point is, seeing the beauty and complexity, in even a simple structure, is fascinating and exciting.
God does exist! Undoubtedly! Under the roof of your skull where he resides and should be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)
There is A distinct difference between unverifiable speculation of some amorphous prime mover and belief in the god of a specific religion where there are demonstrable falsehoods, errors, ignorances and failures .
I am a retired nurse, and can't understand why anyone that is in the medical field, could not believe in God. The human body's system is miraculous!
I also "grew up" as a Christian for 18 years and left the faith in college, only to come back years later with a better, more fully developed faith. At 18, I thought I was 100% Christian but I slowly fell way. I thought I was becoming intellectual and factual by embrasing the world's views on non-belief. But becoming an atheist is a cold place, where the floor of logic keeps dropping you deeper and deeper, until you have to agree that there isn't anything "good" in the world, and killing a baby shouldn't be considered anything. Atheist = Amoral. I think growing up in a faith is awesome, and you have the answers, but your faith can be weak and you are unaware of that. But when you go from non-belief to believing - the joy is amazing - and your faith is so much more deeper. You understand non-belief and belief. The cold, pointless life of non-belief, and the love, purpose, and truth of belief in a Creator. Thank you God for creating me. Thank you Jesus the Christ for saving me. Thank you God for the future eternal life with You foverever. You are worthy to be praised!
I didn't "grew up" as a Christian because I have always been a rebellious sinner for 25 years and nothing has changed. Because non-belief has made me more intelligent with the way to expose the christian faith. Yeah you really don't need to believe in something that you don't believe. Because non-belief will set you free from all of the brainwashing of the belief system and that's all.
That was beautifully said and done!!
@@thefighter5182 not really, it turns you nihilistic. You think the belief systems are what's controlling you, but you yourself is being controlled. You believe he was forced back into it, but that's not really how it works. I didn't grow up Christian, but there's nothing more liberating than coming to Christ love you brother, praying you get a hold of that pride in your heart
Brother, I'm making a docs file of peoples testimonies coming to Christ in TH-cam Comments. For the will of the Lord, that it may be shown and bear fruit to more believers. I will humbly take yours, thank you brother Bless you
On a side note: your issue was not one of faith. This may seem petty but it isn't. I am running into pastor after pastor and the vast majority of Christians who do not know what faith is. I plan on writing a book (not joking) on this and a few other topics but for now just understand: your faith was what kept you; it was not the thing which has having a problem. God bless.
Wow! I had a similar mindset. After being saved and tasting and seeing that the Lord is good, I went away as I had quite a lot of questions. Wanted to see if I could find the peace and joy elsewhere. Travelled for a few years, fell into drugs, drinking, fooling around with women only to look back and see I was the best version of myself when I was with God. I fell into depression and lost all hope but then God is beautiful. He lifted me up yet again and brought me back to him. Now I know
..no luxury, no drugs, no job, nothing worldly can fill me up but Jesus!
I’ve always said there’s no drug, no person that can make you feel what the Lord does. That sweet peace and strength that only he can give is unreal and mind blowing! He’s so good!
@@anitanapp6759have you tried molly?
Former atheist: I’ve been a Believer for 40 yrs and still am in awe of His mercy to me. I mocked believers, He only loved me. I no longer feed my doubt I feed my faith.
Thank you JESUS!!!
Another evangelical fundamentalist lying for he jesus. Tiresome.
Faith is the excuse people give when they don't have evidence. If you have evidence you don't need faith.
What you are feeding is excuses for irrational belief.
@@scottc873 nice to up vote your reply, do not usually come across many that reply on religious sites, either they are past caring knowing no one can reason with the unreasonable, or they are frit of the looney cult members throwing their lying shit at them. Have a nice day friend.
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Ramen🍝👻👾
@@scottc873 First define 'faith'. It would be a great starting point for you. Don't mistake faith with blind belief. First get to know what the Bible means by faith. There is no point in destroying a straw man of 'faith'
'I did neuroscience' is his answer for great questions Frank asked. These kids do couple of courses in college and think they are experts to debunk God and bible.
What does it mean to debunk the God and the Bible. In order to debunk God there has to be evidence of God in the 1st place. He is just dismissing the claim that God and the bible are true.
@@kos-mos1127you can't dismiss something that's been proven correct and still being proven correct today. Physicists that have studied our reality are even coming to the conclusion, reluctantly, that God does in fact exist simply through the evidence found in our universe. You really have to study the Bible to understand that it's not a game, what is written in that book is not of man and is not through guessing games.
But woe to those willing to forego logic in order to satisfy whatever emotional bias they have. All I'm asking is to follow evidence where it leads and do not be emotional, just be logical. Atheism is an old religion that never follows logic.
@@kos-mos1127 the evidence is all around you, you just don't want to see it.
@@kos-mos1127 your existence is evidence of God. can you make a live human if you have all the healthy organs available? you believe in big bang but what is big bang? big bang is the instance when something exploded from nothing! from nothing came everything. according to the laws of physics, that is not possible.
Facts, this young self-centered generation is puffed up with knowledge and think way higher of themselves than they should..
This was a great example of what an argument should be. Respect towards each others and smart conversation.
Loved this!! I am a lifelong Christian and so full of faith and the Holy Spirit that i can’t fathom not believing! God shows himself to me on a daily basis❤
Thank you for your videos. They are indeed words of wisdom and i love your humble heart!
Hi. Please tell me what God actually does for you every day, I am genuinely interested.
I’m 72 and I was baptised when 15. I then had no other people that helped me develop my Christian life. My son sent me one of your videos a month ago and I have learned more in this past month than I have had in all those 67 years. Thankyou.
God loves you! Amen
Amazing!!
Thanks for sharing, that’s powerful! 🙌 praise God!
Amen
Apparently, no one taught you to do math, either 😂
I grew up with a Christian family. I believed because my family believed. When I was 18 I got addicted to drugs really bad for about 8 years. Ended up having a heart attack 5 years ago and barely making it. Slowly I started to better myself and quit drugs. I had became an atheist at around 22 all the way up till 9 months ago. I started to open my eyes and keep an open mind, but I was still on the fence till about two months ago. I hit a huge depression and couldn’t get out of bed. I was thinking about giving up again, but I I decided to get on Tik tok. 30 videos of Jesus filled my for you page. I rarely got a Christian video. I mean like 1 every few months, I knew that was God. Dedicated my life after that. I am not perfect, but I am no longer depressed or anxious. My love for God has filled my heart and finally gave me a purpose beyond being sober. God is good 🙏🏻
So happy to hear that! What struck me was while you say you gave up on God, He never gave up on you. The depth of His love for us is unfathomable! Welcome home, prodigal son. You are loved.
Hallelujah Brother! You were called and you answered. If you haven’t been reading your Bible daily I encourage you to do so! Edify your spirit with His word and you’ll get to know Him more and more!
He heals, he restores, he empowers. He healed me brother, stay the path, he’ll completely heal you!
None of that demonstrates that the god of the bible or Jesus is real or the stories about him are true. All this demonstrates is that you will believe things for bad reasons and by doing so this flawed way of reasoning will cause you to believe other potentially and inevitably harmful things.
Just because you get comfort or utility from a belief doesn't mean it is true, good, or healthy for you. The potetential of you negatively affecting other aspects of your life and the people around by your flawed way of thinking is almost a certainty.
@@scottc873 - lucky for this man, God is real, and Christ is very true. I pray that you encounter the Holy Spirit in a miraculous way yourself. God bless.
100% perfect case study. I could totally relate to his questioning. I’ve been in a sea of uncertainty myself for the last few years. Like him, I grew up Christian but over the years my relationship with God grew more and more distant until it barely even crossed my mind. Then in the last few years, I have doubted He existed at all or that the Bible is real. At least not in its entirety. This reminded me that it is all about faith and opening up you heart to believing and not be hardened against the possibilities. It’s difficult for the Holy Spirit to fill a heart that is closed off and frozen. I’ve dusted off my Bible after probably years just a few weeks ago in hopes to gain a better understanding.
Glad to hear! You might be interested in sermons by Alistair Begg, Kevin DeYoung, or RC Sproul. They let the Bible interpret the Bible rather than injecting their own meaning into it. Their approach is very much a cerebral approach. You can even find many sermon series on entire books of the Bible preached by them.
You can also check out the Ligonier Ministries TH-cam channel which has continuous live video feeds for both RC Sproul teachings and Q&A panel sessions.
As an engineer and cerebral thinker this is my style of preaching. I was raised in an atheist home and sought proof before I would believe. I’ve been a Christian now for over 30 years.
@@haltersweb thank you so much for this! So do you think being a more logical, science minded person makes it difficult to be a believer? Because we’re looking for proof outside ourselves? I’ve just wondered how some people manage to never stop believing or question their beliefs. Like I feel guilty and have ruined relationships having arguments over it, even among other believers because they make me feel I’m not believing correctly or something l. For example I was told I’m not Christian because I believe in evolution but I believe it coexists with creationism, two things can be true at once and I still struggle with black and white thinking that I seem to encounter within the Christian community. Or another argument I had was about not caring how ppl celebrating Christmas with pagan traditions. It’s like other believers are trying to condemn me for not agreeing with them which is what pushed me away in the first place because I felt like I wasn’t a good enough follower of Christ. Which is silly. I’m trying to keep it between me and the Lord but it’s frustrating.
@@haltersweb sorry that was really long lol
@@user-uu9yb9wb5b in some ways I think that being a logical, science-minded person makes it more difficult, but I’ve come to believe it’s for a different reason than being logical. I think the logician has a “simpler” time at explaining away the Truth so that he can sin with impunity which is really his goal. (Read Romans 1:22-32)
It’s the same reason that it is hard for the wealthy to believe (Matthew 19:24). Wealth brings with it the ability to purchase one’s way into all sorts of self-gratifying sin (1 Timothy 6:10).
Regarding the arguments we believers can get into with others who believe differently. I had this same problem, although it came from family and friends who were agnostics and atheists. My grandma once said to me after I became a Christian “you used to be so intelligent”). But over 30 years this is what the Lord taught me, the more other’s arguments bothered me, the more the fact was that inside I feared they were right. And the only remedy for this was to become a scholar of God’s Word, asking the Holy Spirit (who Christ calls “the Teacher”) to illumine what He was saying about Himself in His Word. Only then could I cement what I believed. And then I was ready to answer in kind and with kindness (1 Peter 3:15). I now read through the Bible every year. I rotate the translations (NIV, ESV, NASB, KJV). I also use a Study Bible like the ESV Student Bible and the MacArthur Study Bible). I often have my MacArthur Study Bible App narrated to me while I drive or get ready for work.
And the funniest thing happened slowly over the years. I got into less arguments because the same people’s arguments just didn’t push my buttons anymore when I became secure in what I believed. I now just allow them to remain uninformed unless I am led by the Holy Spirit to open the scriptures to them.
Hope this helps.
1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience?
2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it?
Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god?
3. Is your god infallible?
4. Is your god omnipotent?
5. Is your god omniscient?
6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious?
7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws?
8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible?
If a parent had two little children, and came to them with a plate of cookies and said,
"These are the best cookies in the world, and I'm going to put them where you have to look at them all day every day.
These cookies are delicious, and if you eat them, they will make you into something just as good as me.
You are NOT ALLOWED to eat these cookies, ever~!"
Then, of course, the kids eat the cookies. The abusive parent storms in, enraged. "How dare you ungrateful children! I am now physically throwing you out of my garden. You will live in torture for eternity as punishment, and all of your children will automatically also suffer torture all of their miserable lives".
Wouldn't a parent like that belong in an insane asylum, or at least in prison?
Suppose the parent had the ability, at any time, to bring the kids back to paradise.....instead, he says, "well, I'm going to TORTURE TO DEATH my favorite son, and THEN, if you obey me like a zombie slave from now on, you can come home"
Wouldn't that parent deserve only HATE, not obedience?
9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer?
10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc?
If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god?
11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect?
12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions? Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence. That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet. I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life?
14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"?
13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost.
You question the map book, but your friend insists that the map book is flawlessly accurate.
"How do you know?" you ask. They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book."
Your friend insists that the map book is information from god.....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations...why? Why didn't god write the book personally? How could information possibly become more accurate and truthful when filtered thorough con men?.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the book, and how strongly it makes your friend feel.
When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly.
Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic?
How do you justify cherry picking which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus? Jesus clearly stated he is there to uphold ALL of the law. Do you obey it all, or dodge and rationalize and ignore the insanity and vicious hate that makes up most of the bible?
14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with?
Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life?
15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles?
Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven?
If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms?
Why do you need to use HATE and FEAR to get people to OBEY your literally INSANE beliefs?
Wake up. Reality is OBJECTIVE, not subjective.
Religion is a SCAM used by con men to exploit the weak, the desperate, and the stupid. Use your brain, not your feelings.
What kind of organization calls itself loving and benevolent while calling you disgusting sinful and vile? What kind of organization requires your UNQUESTIONING obedience and GROVELING submission?
Reading these comments, validates all the miraculous experiences I've had with God and his angels. Thank you for doing what you do.
why does god not help starving children in africa but help you?
Well of course, you're reading the comments of a Christian video... If you go to a video about Hinduism you'll find comments all about how finding Hinduism changed the lives of people for the better and how their creation story is the "true" version.
PLEASE tell me about your miraculous experiences, I would love to know.
As a man who has seriously rebelled against God I can say I turned my back for years after knowing He was real. It got me many serious drug addictions that led to me being a miserable homes addict who was extremely violent. I ended up with 20 plus indictments. By His grace (and I mean He literally saved me from life in prison) I only serves 5 year in prison instead of life like the DA wanted. I am now saved with a wonderful wife and family and will NEVER EVER look back. He can have this sick world and it’s false promises. I will take Christ!!
Thank you for sharing this! Powerful testimony! Glory to God!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomA make believe god had nothing to do with any of that story...
Other than desperate people grasping at straws, any straw at all...
Anything a Christian doesn't understand, they assign to a god. It's pretty sad...
@@billymacktexasdetective5827 Only make believe to you, but that's ok, you and your god will eventually be together and in Misery. Science has yet to disprove it and science actually began because of it.
Don't have to be desperate to believe in or accept God.
Keep this in mind, If God isn't real, Christians or believers have nothing to worry about, You on the other hand if God is real, have everything to worry about.
Put in another way... For non believers , this world is the Closest they will get to Heaven, For the believer, this world is the Closest they will ever be to Hell.
@@billymacktexasdetective5827praying for you boss! I was in the same boat. Spiritually dead and completely surrendered to sin and the ways of the world. I’m glad you’re watching arguments though. God’s tugging at your heart, and that’s a wonderful thing. Bless you ✊🏼✊🏼
@@billymacktexasdetective5827 tragic for you as a non-believer.
Been agnostic my entire life, now 43 and its only now im beginning on my path to my Christianity and accepted Jesus and God.
Wow, praise the Lord.
We love you and are with you 🙏🏽💯
I was thinking about this, this week. Imagine Jesus approaching you and saying, "Dawn unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of heaven". Just think when you were first born in this world what did you know? Now imagine being told you have to be told to be "born again" everything you ever learned in all four decades and like the Apostle Paul you count as rubbish and start all over again. And like Jesus said, becoming "like" little children who are unlearned/unenlightened and in their learning grow in wisdom and stature as Jesus did in Luke 2. Stature is also saying maturity. It is an inward growth that happens and works itself out in behavior.
Congratulations and welcome 🙏 God bless your journey.
Jesus is God😊
I love God, and I believe that God knows who will come back to him.
The Church is imperfect and people are imperfect. This is why it's so important to read the bible and ask God for spiritual discernment, to be prepared if someone has a genuine question, especially young people who tend to be curious about the world and life.
“If you don’t want Christianity to be true, then you don’t rightly understand it” very interesting thought. Can you do a video just on this? Thank you. 🙏🏼
I don't find this to be the case. People understand it and don't want it to be true for one because the path is narrow and billions upon billions of souls will suffer for eternity or be separated from God, depending on ones belief of hell. Secondly due to divine election God has already written the names of the chosen in the book of life, so it's not even a choice we can make. It also states that faith is a gift given by God, and you can't approach him unless you believe he exists. Lastly, I don't know about the mustard seed passage that people love to quote, but Jesus said he doesn't like lukewarm, and if you're not on fire for him he'll spit you out of his mouth. So yes, I was raised in Christianity, studied thoroughly for years and have a decent understanding, and I hope for the sake of all those billions of poor souls that it's not true.
My wife says she loves me. We’ve been married over 20 years and I see the evidence of her love both daily and as a theme throughout our marriage.
If I decided to spend the next two years looking at our lives with the premise that she doesn’t actually love me and is rather just living with me for convenience and practicality, I’m pretty sure at the end of that time I would believe that she doesn’t actually love me or do things for me because of love. I’d be convinced she’s just trading pleasantries and engaging in the economy of a relationship that benefits her.
I would find myself in a loveless state not because there was no love, but because I refused to recognize the love that is there. And I would have destroyed the relationship that we had built together.
His argument, and experience, are no different.
I love this analogy
Your comment is so underrated. It should be pinned and with hundreds of likes.
Loved your comment.
Exactly!
I was thinking- if you left your family for a year & pretended they didn’t exist, never talking to them or thinking too much about them, after a year… you would not be close to your family & they would probably stop reaching out to you.
This often is exactly what happens in life- you can have a best friend & do everything together, but life takes you different directions & you lose touch. Next thing you know, you & your friend have become strangers.
I hope thousands more people see this comment
I agree with this analogy once the relationship is made. However I do not agree in the sense that I’m sure you had a time prior to marriage that made you conclude she was the right one for you. If your family and friends all introduced you to this woman and said she is the best and we all believe in her, it would be hard not to. It is up to you to go discover other women (religions) to see what fits best for you. I do not believe MOST (not all) people seek this and will be whatever religion surrounds them.
Been there myself man. Grew up Christian with amazing parents full of the Holy Spirit and close with the Lord. At 19 years old I joined the military and slowly stopped going to church or reading the Bible and praying etc for 6 years. I was overseas and deploying to multiple countries seeing different cultures and beliefs. I saw just how dim my life got after a family cruise trip I took leave for. Got home and had a talk with my Dad over the phone on the other side of the United States and the Holy Spirit hit me like a ton of bricks in my room through the phone. I have never fallen to my knees in complete amazement, confusion, joy, bewilderment, etc. I was just simply telling my dad about an interaction I had with this younger guy during that trip and the stories on my life I was telling him and my dad stopped me and said “That’s your gift. The Holy Spirit is telling me right now to tell you that’s your gift!” Since that day almost 2 years ago I have never been unsure that it’s real. I still struggle and have my own battles but I know for certain that the Lord is there.
I trust you Lord. Amen. I believe in you Jesus. Humble. Have mercy on my Soul. Amen. Jesus, i reach out for guidance and knowledge and perfection. If ever I've done wrong im sorry and ask for forgiveness. Amen. Lord Jesus, i love you and ask for your Humble favour. Please help me this month. Dont let me go back to that dark place. I love you Lord Jesus. God bless. Guide me through this period. Humble
God bless you.
So, one deluded person convinced another deluded person.
@@TheTruthKiwi If that’s your deluded viewpoint then sure 🤣
@@dr1ftingturt13s8 I'm only interested in what is most likely to be true that's all. From what we know and have observed we exist in a natural universe and not a magical one.
Man, out of everyone you have showcased on your channel, I absolutely love Frank's nature and his ability to create intricate reasoning from others' arguments in such simple terms. What a great man. God bless you, brother. Thank you for hosting this channel, I have been binging your videos during my examinations.
Gratificante saber que existem debates sobre fé. Deus ilumine o pensamento dos que participam e veem.
I'm guessing this is latin... really cool language...I like seeing someone bring it back
I was agnostic and started to believe the presence of God during my Ph.D. course. The more I got into the rule and design of nature while conducting experiments in molecular biology, the more I couldn't help thinking whoever designed nature, he is a genius. If you can't believe the existence of God because of science, you might not be understanding science. He is a highly intelligent creator.
Bingo
So true! I earned my degree in Biology, then onto graduate school for physical therapy. The more one engages and learned about nature, the body, the laws of the universe, etc., the more undoubtedly these things point to an Intelligent Designer. And we all know Who that Designer really is 😉
Nicely put!
This is what I was thinking as well. The more I learn about the human body the more I believe in GOD , the almighty perfect designer ❤
Amen!! Hallelujah!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Just because we grow up reading bible doesn't mean you are Christian.
We really have to experience his works in our lives to believe in him.
I only experience the works of satan and his "elite" minions. From what I heard, satan has to ask permission from god before he wrecks our life. But yet "God is love". It is a weird one. The love of a dog is much more genuine in my opinion and experience.
@@projectbirdfeederman5491My limited understanding is that our initial disobedience to God made a pact with Satan to rule the land we were supposed to inherit. Yeshua's sacrifice bridged the gap we created with our disobedience. Therefore our sin is the permission. Satan, however cannot touch his flock and they will be received into His Kingdom. Those who are not die forever. God's infinite Grace and forgiveness is still subject to his will.
Ah the typical "you weren't a true christian" excuse.
I could say the same thing of Christian that just because they say they are a Christian doesn't make them a Christian.
The reality is that if someone (like me) did truly believe and saught god and spent many years in their room praying and crying for answers and getting nothing and then looses their faith it is God's fault and not the person who did what they were supposed to.
God only helps who he wants and to hell with the rest of them.
Believing in God doesn't make one a Christian, per se. Even the demons believe in Jesus, and shudder.
@@rustyshackelford5047 Getting nothing? What is it you were supposed to get? What were you promised if you read the Bible and prayed to God?
Your well stated concluding remarks are right on...and exactly what that young man needs to hear.
Dude your channel is awesome. Love the break downs. Praise God
My cousin is a neurosurgeon at Yale, and he believes the Bible mainly literally. His knowledge of neuroscience strengthened his faith in the Bible.
I'll bet he's a fox, Alex Jones and Q supporter
Thank you. This is what i was saying in my comment earlier. The EXACT thing. The more i learn the less i have the capacity to disbelieve. Thank you
@@reesedds amen brother, well said.
"Mainly literally" is a contradictory statement. Either he takes the bible literally or he does not.
@@zkring No sir, it is not.
It's amazing how many people think Christians don't question things or aren't intellectuals. Before I thought my intelligence was a curse for my faith, but once I stopped walking in pride I was able to see how my thirst for knowledge and intellect is a gift from God that glorifies His name. It ended up strengthening my faith.
That's lovely
If god gifted you your intelligent brain; what's your opinion then of why god "gifts" young babies horrendously deformed brains which lead to their suffering and death ? Not a biblical view; just your own opinion ?
I don’t know any Christians that question things, just saying.
@@markusthedrummer8143I don’t know any atheists that question things, just saying.
I like Frank's reply- I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
Thank you for sharing this video and for your thoughtful analysis. 👍😊✝️
I agree wholeheartedly with the take at the end. I just found God again. Growing up, I never learned about who God really is, and only ever had a shallow belief - easily broken through doubts from non-Christians that were never countered because I did not have a community of believers around me. I’ve gone into faith again with a much better understanding of who God is, factual reasons how I know God exists, and that Jesus is my Savior, and knowing that I must read the Bible to have a relationship with God, and find a community of believers to help me in my doubts and struggles.
Whenever I debate "former Christians" these are the top 3 reasons I hear:
1.) They had a bad experience at church.
2.) They made an ultimatum with God that they felt He didn't fulfill.
3.) They committed a sin they wanted to keep.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yep. My pastor calls the first one...Church Hurt.
Right and that’s the problem! Making an ultimatum with God is a fool’s journey…God doesn’t submit to us we need to bend to his will…
Emotional and spiritual issues. Atheism is not going to help there.
No such thing as a former Christian. They never had the Holy Ghost, God already knew where their heart was and didn't want them either. Once you receive the Holy Spirit, you'll know you have it and you'd be a fool to turn away from that. Plus the Holy Ghost wont let you leave, He will make it almost impossible for you to turn away. Once you're Gods child, he wont throw you out on the streets because God's a loving parent. 🙏🙏🙏
"I don't think you could ever prove it to me"
He spoke like a really open-minded science literate.
He can’t. Just as much as I can’t prove their isn’t a God.
@@clearly5578depends on the god in question. When it comes to Christianity, it all hangs on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, which they actually could prove/disprove. That reality should frighten you, because your security is hung on uncertainty, but the advent of Christ was anything but uncertain.
U are left with only 2 options.
1. Pretend "Jesus didn't have an Instagram" is a valid argument.
2. Deduce why Jesus's disciples went from fleeing for their lives, after Jesus died, to willingly dieing for their belief after His supposed resurrection.
@@arcguardian you can’t prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ or there would be no debate. It is as based on eye witness testimony written about decades later. And eye witness testimony is one of the most unreliable sources of truth. Don’t believe me look it up. We even test it in psychology labs. It’s a shame it’s still used it court.
@arcguardian , I appreciate your engagement in this discussion. However, I'd like to address a couple of points in your argument. Firstly, your comparison of proving or disproving God's existence to proving or disproving the existence of God is a bit flawed. The nature of the divine is inherently different from empirical proof, which is why faith plays a significant role in religious beliefs.
Regarding your reference to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it's important to recognize that historical evidence and biblical texts provide substantial support for this event. The Gospel accounts and extra-biblical sources, such as Tacitus and Josephus, do offer a compelling case for the resurrection. It's not just about whether 'Jesus had an Instagram,' but rather about examining multiple sources from that era. Moreover, your characterization of the disciples' transformation is valid, as it's a point worth considering. Their willingness to face persecution and death for their faith after the resurrection does indeed demand reflection.
In my view, both options you presented aren't entirely exhaustive. There's room for a more nuanced understanding that respects the complexity of the evidence.
@@kdavis6722let's not pretend faith plays a role exclusively with religious beliefs, nearly everything involves faith. It's just easy to miss that when society takes something for granted, like any other ancient historical figure, but that's the case even outside of history. u don't prove ur breaks aren't cut before hitting the road yet u have reason(s) to believe they aren't cut. When it comes to Jesus however ppl get real stinge'y with their faith. what option(s) would u add granting more nuance?
Wow, what you said at the end really hit me. "If you don't want Christianity to be true, then you don't really understand it". Powerful and thanks for your content.
Every religion says that about itself. Hinduism is the true religion and their story of creation and philosophy are fact. According to Hindus, anyway. There's over 4000 religions with their perspective gods. Each one is certain that theirs is the truth and their god is the REAL god...
3:53 When I see videos like this it helps me reframe how I’m raising/teaching my children.
I became a Christian while in college. Had no desire for God or religion. There was a Christian Bible study group on the campus. They were very persistent in preaching and studying with other students. I ran into them a couple times until I finally listened and gave them time to do Bible study. They studied prophecy after prophecy. I was in complete amazement. I studied with them day after day and found out the Bible is extremely deep. It became absolutely undeniable that there is a God who is in control of all and spoke through certain men(prophets). I have spent the next 13 years really studying the Bible. Every single word I read. 3 different versions. I wanted to be sure and confirm these prophecies. I did confirm them. Now, the more I study history and science the more I see and believe in Almighty God. I just wish more Christians would study Bible prophecies and know why they believe what they believe. I hope this young man gets the same opportunity I had
Reading Biochemistry in the university made my faith even stronger. The mechanisms of the human body, just puts so much understanding to God.
ANYONE with a logical mind that then looks at the world through a scientific lens will have the Creator revealed and proven.....micro and macro systems are organized and ordered....nature does NOT do that.....BS in CompEng here with many years of personal study of the world's other religions
You think so...
Truly, anyone simply studying the eye cannot truly believe that it alone evolved from a single cell
@@kdjones5149 the eye alone has 10 "subsystems" that work in concert with one another that had to develop SIMULTANEOUSLY to make any sense....a true investigation of the eye shows IF it were an "evolved" organ it is backward and should be inside out
@@nawatime_titha yep
Love this video! Keep up the hard work👍
Love your hat. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.
This is a good example of why apologetics is so important. If in 18 years he had never learned to defend his faith; of course it got stolen the minute he entered college.
So true.
His faith wasn't stolen, it was demonstrated to be false by virtue of empiricism. Or what we atheists call reality.
We value intellectual honesty, which is sadly lacking in most theists.
Lol, or maybe the faith is evil dogshit.
@@bradwhelan4466W
I left 30+ years of Christianity 8 months ago because apologetics is no match against critical Biblical scholarship. To be clear, I'm not saying there isn't a god but I'm pretty confident it isn't Yahweh-Jesus. I still love studying the Bible a few times a week and I think it actually makes more sense, and I respect it even more, knowing it to be completely manmade. I think atheists are more honest with the text than Christians are.
I’m a Christian and I’m always willing to test my beliefs. Over the last 20 years or more it’s only ever gotten stronger and I have listened to atheist, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and others. I’m not afraid to hear them out and consider their argument against my own. I’ve yet to meet many non-Christians who can honestly say the same.
Are Atheists worshippers of the Creator or his enemies?
ANSWER -
Atheists who are filling the world with their lie and false claim that the Creator doesn't exist and even if existing is still worthless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God are the enemies of the Creator on planet earth.
Are Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and members of all kinds of Religions believers of the Christ or believers of his enemies?
ANSWER -
Fanatic members of all Christian and non-Christian Religions in the world are not believers of the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ but believers of the lies and false teachings of their anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders about "Armageddon", "heaven and hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation".
All Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions and Cults in the world just
DON'T BELIEVE and can't ACCEPT -
1. that the CREATOR is a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father who will reward and honor all loving, kind, respectful persons on earth who submit to the authority of his Christ as written in Matthew 28: 18 and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, immoral, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 and 21: 8.
2. that JESUS CHRIST is a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King who in the right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26, will resurrect back to life all his loving, kind, respectful, and submissive believers and worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and many others so they'll not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever but happily, abundantly, and eternally live and exist on earth and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen and Anointed King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
I'll hear out any argument. Still waiting for proof of the great sky fairy.
@@lordscorch1128 You just have to imagine you are hearing the voice of God before you can hear God.
@@lordscorch1128I'm still waiting for proof of the big popcorn kernel bursting into action that became our universe or the imaginary transitional fossils atheists believe exist. I guess the tooth fairy forgot to put them under yalls pillows. Lol.
@@lordscorch1128 but aging sky fairy no one takes you seriously, if God would reveal you still you wouldn't choose to follow him by your response. Meaning there's a bigger issue then believing, Jesus did exist outside of the bible also there psychical evidence you just don't choose to believe it, yet you believe the universe was created by nothing 0
We can all fall into this pit of confusion thanks be to GOD the HOLY SPIRIT guides our thoughts. Love your pod casts.
Thank God I found this channel. ❤️✌️
As someone who was raised Christian, because atheist and then returned to the church and has a personal relationship with Jesus I can see the thought traps that he's fallen into. He tries to rationalize and explain things because he lacks faith, and he sees "untruthful" things in scripture because he lacks understanding. It's likely that whoever brought him up failed to delve deep enough into theology to adequately answer his questions or he was never engaged with those ideas on a deep level.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏
God bless you man, I’ve been a “Christian” most of my life. I’ve never been an atheist but I’ve turned to Jesus 3 months ago. I don’t plan on being an atheist and I hope I don’t somehow.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomGod Bless and Highly Reward You for your stewardship
He is not rationalizing. Faith without evidence is no more then belief and wishful thinking. Faith requires evidence not truth claims.
because atheist ?
"If you don't at least want Christianity to be true, then you don't rightly understand it." That's deep.
Literally at the ends of my ropes of faith and that’s literally the last thing I said. “Let Jesus and the Gospel be true” after going through many different Bible interpretations
Christianity says trust 2000 year old hear se, while i go out of my way to not overtly demonstrate i exist, or ill punish you for all eternity after you die because i made you im a way that is fundamentally flawed. Such a hateful argument and its the reason i Dont want christianity to be true.
Lol, it's deeply stupid. Christianity is literally a demonic death cult that explicitly endorses genocide and genital mutilation. Why would any decent person want that evil to be real?
@@Gregoreo1127I hope you find/found your way, sounds like a struggle.
@@Gregoreo1127the way I see it is if there is an all powerful all knowing deity that supposedly created all of everything I feel that deity's wisdom/story should not be subject to interpretation therefore being that the writings of the bible is subject to interpretation then it can't be the infallible word of a god/deity. It all seems very primitive to me! Just my opinion 🤷
❤thanks my friend for share all this knowledge for free. A big hug 🫂 from your audience in Brazil 🇧🇷
The most beautiful part of Christ’s gospel is the fact that no matter what you do in life, no matter how bad you are, mistakes you make, wether you are faithful or fall away and spread hate. It’s all covered with his selfless act of Redeeming our souls. The debt to the law has been paid. It’s beautiful
I 100% agree as a former atheist, my curious and analytical mind was never satisfied with any of the churches my family belonged to. Those preaching the Word have a tremendous responsibility to differentiate ways for parishioners to consume the Word. Finding a community like this one has greatly impacted my gratitude and humble return to God. I will never leave again.
God has blessed us all differently and you specifically with an ability to understand His truth at a different level than most can. So it is up to the analytically blessed to reach others like yourself.
I praise and thank God for your salvation!
Same here. Over the course of ten years between historical and archaeological evidence not to mention how much science proves the reality of God it’s absolutely undeniable. I feel bad for atheists because like all leftist ideas they are kept from knowledge and given strawmen to attack.
I don't get it... Does it mean that you dissect religion, found it is not true and then return to it? Why?
You were NOT really an atheist.
I went to Catholic school kindergarten to 3rd grade. Then public school. But growing up I was curious about Jesus but everyone around me was actually atheist. In college I was literally indoctrinated into Marxist atheism and found myself proud of being an atheist. Then I met Jesus. Haven’t been the same since. I don’t want religion- I want Him. I want to be in the presence of God. I pray you all get there. He is perfect if perfect - and the joy of eternity is beyond comprehension. Hope to see you all there.
Praise the Lord Jesus! Psalms 96:1-3
I agree! I struggle with doubt and trusting God and believing He is who He says He is, but I’m realizing the roots to that doubt are more based on pride, lack of consistency in prayer and reading the word, and fear of trusting Him. On one side I’m terrified of being wrong, but on the other hand I know Jesus is growing me and letting me enter these doubts so I can seek His face. I’m doing that now. I’m hoping to become a true, all in believer and follower of Jesus Christ. I want this to be real to me again and I want to know it’s real in my heart, not just my mind.
@@thebumblebeemovie3514 let me help you. Luke 11:5-13, Philippians 4:6-7 and Psalms 139:23-24.
Amen! Who needs religion when we can have Jesus! I don't know you, but I can't wait to celebrate and worship with you in heaven!
Glory to God!, amen!.
As someone who has prided myself on intellect and reason for a very long time (even before I truly understood what it could entail) I relate to this young man in a very personal way. I have struggled with faith for a very long time. Faith is simply something that does not come easy for me, never has. But it's strange because I "know" it's true. It makes sense and the harder I dig into things, I keep ending up at God. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'll keep digging, trying, and praying. I mean, what else can any of us do.
"Limitless knowledge is wonderful until one gains limitless understanding."
I am right with you. I am scientifically minded and NEEEDED the proof. But after reading the Bible front to back it makes a lot more sense. It’s supposed to be really hard to believe, if it was easy it would negate our free will because if the bible were to be literally proven without any room for doubt, everyone would follow Christ out of fear of hell (which isn’t the best way to believe imo). We need to be allowed to sin, so we can prove our character.
I think Jesus would say you have great faith. Remember to be aware that faith isn’t absent reason. Also remember that faith isn’t only emotion.
@zadir being a Christian doesn’t mean that it should be hard to believe, I believe it should be easy to believe Jesus requires us to have the least “have the faith the size of a mustard seed & you can move mountains” but He’s not saying to stay at having a mustard seed faith but to grow in our faith; whether by seeing miracles being done by God through His children today, seeing people get deliverance n etc…. N through His word “Faith comes by hearing- by hearing the Word of God” I believe this verse is talking about having both from His Word & through His Rema word to us today, through the Holy Spirit.
It’s easy for me to believe yet still He gives me free will, I realize that on days when it’s hard for me to “believe “ it’s mainly because of some trauma/hurt that I went through before I got saved & I end up projecting it on to God (life will cause you to no longer trust man & God- that was me) so now I sometimes fight with that (meaning sometimes it’s hard to believe in the sense of “why would God love me and deem me as precious when others & myself don’t- Isaiah 43” that was hard for me to believe but it is true and it could be the cause of insecurity n etc. I don’t follow Christ out of fear of hell but out of having a relationship with Jesus Christ & having hope to hug Him when I get to Heaven & etc… following of Him out of fear will cause that person to be paranoid & religious instead of relationship.
If there is any doubt God will always bring clarity to those doubt if you genuinely want God to reveal it to you; God will never leave you in a place of doubt if you bring those doubts to Him 🥰 in prayer & in your secret place with Him. Faith shouldn’t be hard but it should be easy & rewarding once you trust God He will require of you to take a leap of faith though you don’t know the outcome of what He ask of you to do but because you believe & trust God you will see that whatever He tells you to do will not kill or harm you.
Who are you trying to proof your character to? You don’t need to sin to prove any character, your character is proven by your submission to the Holy Spirit; He is the One that makes us become Holy (set-apart, consecrated, pure in the sight of God, righteous n etc…) the Holy Spirit is the One the only One that produce those characters (Galatians 5:22-23), God is the One who makes us like Jesus (not us literally being Him but be like Him “Be Holy as I Am Holy” we should practice the fruits of the Spirit if we sin to “prove” our character where is the fruit that the Holy Spirit Himself is produce. Having that mindset is not good, if you want to be better in your character let God be the One to purify you & sanctify you.
Jesus told us to test people by their fruits & to test every spirit, if someone test the fruits in your life we can righteously judge based on Galatians 5:16-21, 1 John 1, 1 John 2, 1 John 3 & Matthew 7:15-20. These are some verse references that will lead you to the truth.
@@AngelicaHutchinson1 I'm not sure if you read anything previously written or listened to the video, regardless I am pleased that things are easy (and I say that truly). Unfortunately, ease is simply not for some people. I thank you for the references and I believe they will help me greatly.
I will continue to search, dig, and pray.
God bless and keep you.
The more I dig into the bible the more I think it is children's stories. Ask yourself about the Ark when everyone else drowned, it held 2 of every species (Impossible) and only 8 humans survived when now there is 8.1 billion of us (Again impossible). Do you see what I mean now.
Awesome stuff. God bless you bro
It’s really unfortunate that he doesn’t realize that Frank is not relegated to an echo chamber of belief. Frank, by debating in answering questions from non-believing people, is the opposite of living in an echo chamber.
Exactly, Frank is exposed to people and arguments this kid could never fathom. He is exposed to the best and the brightest atheists on the planet with the best arguments against the existence of God. They all fall short.
The questioner asked if a Christian can leave their so called echo chamber and just be open. To what though? Another echo chamber, namely a secularist atheistic echo chamber?
@@MiamiCuz305exactly, everyone should just pick the god amd religion they want. We all go to the same place in the end
@@MichelleTwo4 No, we don't. Hence the point of the video.
The mainstream materialist (such as the rationalist scientist) has a metaphysical view - a set of fundamental assumptions about the nature of reality - which excludes the possibility of any 'spiritual' element. This becomes a fault when the materialist denies that he actually does have such assumptions, or when he tries to argue that such assumptions are based on 'evidence'.
And this explains why, for the past half century or more, it has been the "open-minded" who are most prone to closed-mindedness. It is the open-minded who are ignorant of their own assumptions, who deny their assumptions, who indeed deny that they have any assumptions; and who falsely claim that therefore everything they themselves open-mindedly assert derives from objective evidence.
When I was 21 a demon was cast out of me by 3 guys in a dorm room at TIU. My life changed instantly and I gained an awareness of Gods presence.
Come on! 🔥💪Fire Upon Your Life.
Anecdotal evidence, you perceive a demon was cast out, but since it's easy for anyone to lie to support what they want to be true, you can't use anecdotal evidence to persuade anyone but the gullible, which is a tactic of every fake religion, so that well is already poisoned.
I heard there’s still pics available on pornhub
Acid?
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
I spend a lot of time marveling at God's creation and how complex it is and how things work in such a way that only shows an organized mind of immense power
Biology and science led me TO God-not away! I was raised to believe but rejected it as a teen. My heart was definitely hardened due to a wrong understanding of who Jesus is. As I studied biochemistry, biology, and molecular biology, I began to question my atheism. When I took developmental biology, I was floored by the absolute certainty that there was no way this was all an accident. Many of my atheist professors used the word “elegant” when speaking about biochemical phenomena! Yes! It is amazing, awesome, so cool, and elegant…because it is created!
I went through this scientism phase too. I became atheist. But the issue was that I didn't know enough about science to see God. The more I studied and understood science, the easier it was to see God's works everywhere. There is so much evidence for God in the material world that it is difficult to see the wood for the trees.
If you really look at the world you can see that "god" is a terrible designer.The more I look at the world the less I believe.
@@jasonhayman9521You can say that if you like. However if you really look at the world you can see that is it definitely designed. And whoever designed the world also designed you, so you really have no valid opinion on what is good, bad or terrible.
@@michaelbrunsdon8938 but your opinion is valid? Im a nurse and have seen 1st hand how terrible our bodies can be. Go work/volunteer at an LTAC and see how people just rot away. Then tell me that we were designed well. And dont get me started on basic human A&P.
@@jasonhayman9521 It is not my opinion that we are designed. It is my observation. My opinion is that we have just as much business in criticising our creator's design decisions as Mona Lisa has in complaining about da Vinci's choice of hair style for her.
@@jasonhayman9521God is a great designer..it's man that screws up everything
I was raised Catholic and hated religion. I walked away from all faith and was atheist for most of my life. As looked at the universe for answers to life I found fractals, the Mandelbrot Set, the Fibonacci sequence and started to believe in a creator. I became agnostic for a while and then when I took the time to look at religions for myself. I then noticed the fact one religion is openly mocked which is completely accepted almost worldwide but if you mocked any of the other religions, that was classed as racist(even though it is a secular thing). I thought that if evil wanted to destroy good how would it do that, by mocking the one true religion and defending all the false ones.
I am going to be baptised again as a Christian but not a Catholic as I believe Rome and the catholic church was used by the devil to cause a great hate towards Christians, they perverted the Word to make man god on earth.
Jesus died for our sins, repent and come to the saviour for salvation. God bless
I love your testimony!! I always pose that question to people when they come for my lord and savior!! Why is Christianity so hated while other religions are so openly accepted and respected?? That to me is evidence in itself that the living word of God is true!! Amen and God bless you my brother in Christ 🫶🏾
@@LoverCity Thank you so much. I've been in the dark but the Lord showed me the light. I now feel the need to be the beacon on the hilltop for others to find their way through the darkness of this world. Praise Him. God bless
But the Catholic Church wrote the Bible😭😭
How do you wrestle with that?
Everyone was Catholic until 1500, silly
Calling other religions "false" is rude.
My mom became a JW in the early 80s, by the time I was late elementary school early J. HS I had too many questions that she couldn't answer. Even though "they go through the bible every year", I went into the world for a little over 2 decades, but I got all my questions answer and some by the grace of God, and opening HIs word.
I've got a great counter after being agnostic for 30 yrs, experiencing the same curious intellectual mind, and here I am, finding God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, just like he always wanted. Amen.
"If you don't want Christianity to be true, then you probably don't understand it." - Brandon McGuire Excellent quote!
It is a stupid quote because atheists don’t not WANT god to be true anymore than they don’t WANT unicorns to be true. They just look at the evidence and objectively decide there’s not enough evidence.
I would argue it's the opposite.. a person who truly does not understanding something would have no opinions about that thing. I can ask you, do you understand quantum computing? and if your answer is no, it would make no sense for me to expect you to not want quantum computing to be true. On the other hand, a person that has understood that accepting christianity means accepting a certain way of life with specific moral guidelines and the consequences of breaking such guidelines is hell, I think it would make a lot more sense for that person to not want Christianity to be true
@@andrewofaiurwell although I see your point, that’s not really what the quote is suggesting. It’s suggesting that people have this distorted view of God from misunderstanding scripture and taking things out of scripture or making scripture say what it doesn’t really say.
However, when you truly read and understand the Bible for what it says, and it’s redemptive story for Mankind, then there is no rationality to not wanting Christianity to be true. But I totally understand where you’re coming from with your point.
@@Expiee your interpretation also applies to the quote as well and thats why I think the quote is not so strong because it can be interpreted differently based on how someone perceives "understanding Christianity" to be
@@andrewofaiur well sure, I’m not suggesting it’s the strongest quote. Only that I understand the intentions of the quote. Coming from a Christian background I was taught a lot of things about God that didn’t add up and ended up agnostic. Until I reevaluated God through a fresh set of lens and really studied it. Through that, and many forums such as these I was opened up to a whole new idea of Jesus. Not saying it’ll be like this for everyone. I definitely believe that skepticism is healthy, just not beyond the point of rationality.
I had an “agnostic” stage in life in which I explored every question I had. This guy seems different. He seems to be seeking any answer that justifies his unbelief rather than honestly asking good questions. A thought that helped me was: “I may not have an answer to this, but do the alternative worldviews offer a better answer!”
A good policy in life is to keep asking questions, seeking answers, learning and knowing when to say "I don't know" and being ok with not knowing. Unfortunately many religious aren't ok with that answer and are extremely uncomfortable with not knowing and therefore will default to what is most comfortable, rather than what is actually true. For example, I hear so often a christian say, "Well science doesn't know!" and will use that to justify their belief that "god did it". But they haven't even demonstrated that god is even an available option on the table and know they can't demonstrate it either. I'm an agnostic atheist and am completely ok with saying "I don't know", because truth is no one knows where we came from or what happens when we die. I don't believe we go anywhere, I believe we cease to be, just as we were before we were alive, but I can't prove that. Still, it's far more reasonable than "we go to a magical place in some sort of spirit form".
I saw it similarly when faced with the conundrum of nature vs nurture. It took years for me to realize that the most possible "impossibility" was the acceptance of the Jehovah God, and honestly, the scientific system we use to validate ancient documents, if it is to be trusted, screams all the way to the moon that Jesus was the Messiah. Nothing else even comes close! That still doesn't mean that everyone has to believe it, or will, but it is still the most concrete conclusion that ties all things together.
This poor guy and his neuroscience studies has learned how many ways the brain's activity can fool our comprehension and emotional triggers. By going down that rabbit hole, he's allowed himself the vulnerability of doubt to take the wheel. In my opinion, science is only the study of what God made, but a lot of the "how" and "did" remains mysterious. All I know, is that the math has yet to cover every question, thus, it doesn't truly work. The problem we have, and it's a real problem, is that we cannot truly and accurately measure events. We can hypothesize, theorize, and derive conclusions based on indicators slave to our own interpretation, but we cannot measure events. Proof? Take the whatever "crometer" to Mt. St. Helens, or any recently active volcano, and use the instrumentation to age the new rocks. Study how many layers are formed in days that are assumed to take thousands, or more often, millions of years to form. Or reverse the expansion acceleration of the universe and that will give you a much more accurate idea of the "big bang" and its origin, but here's the REAL consideration:
When Jesus fed the 5,000 with two loaves and 5 fishes, how did everyone eat their fill unless he created the bread and the fish "pre-made?" Our creation was an event! And without mankind being present to document what happened, we have to take God's word for it, thus... have faith. But if He can instantly produce pre-made bread and fish for the nutrition of 5,000 people, He can create a universe already in or at the level of creation He wants it to be, and roll on from there. Why do we preach, according to the bible, that with God, ALL things are possible, yet we insist on questioning the validity of what it tells us?
God did not need to start at the beginning of a Big Bang, and thus it will never matter what number we attach to our research and findings, we can NOT measure or record events without a presence for documentation. The creation documentation was divined by God through Judaic priests. He was there. We need to stop assuming we've figured out origin based on our own premises, because the impact of singular and multiple events are beyond our recreation. If God says 6 days, and He is holy, then it was 6 days. Our comprehension or ability to prove it matters not.
@@kennethgoin628 I don't know what you are studying, but science does nothing to confirm anything about Jesus and his story. There's literally nothing in science to test any of that, so you are making stuff up here. As far as history, the bible is the only real source of information on Jesus. Outside of that, history is virtually silent, especially while he lived. The first non-biblical reference to him isn't until 60-63 years after he died. I mean even the first book of the NT wasn't written until 4 decades after he died. So zero was written about him while he was alive and you think this screams to the moon that he was real? There are many historians who think he didn't exist at all!
Your 2nd paragraph is basically "If science doesn't have all the answers, it must be god", which is a logical fallacy. Also, you mentioned how lava rock can give a false age of the earth, but list that as a negative. I think you are reading dishonest creationist material, because geologists do not use lava rock to date the age of things for this very reason. I studied Geoscience back in college and it was well known even back then this fact. It was a couple of geologists who won a nobel prize for their work on this specific subject for radiometric dating so that geologists never use lava to date things because they give false ages. It's only dishonest christian creationist sites that lie and say that geologists date rocks using lava. They do not. Please try actually consulting scientific sources, not dishonest christian sites.
The rest of what you wrote is predicated on the story of Jesus producing fish and bread out of thin air. There's zero evidence this story actually happened. So the rest of what you wrote is pointless to address. You are just believing what the bible says is true no matter what. There are a lot of things in the bible that are historically accurate, but there are things that are not. The bible doesn't read like a book written by a divine being, it reads like a book written by flawed human beings. Reading the bible cover to cover is what made me leave the faith, because the bible is obviously man made. Now whether there is actually a god is a separate question altogether, but there's nothing at all unique or "divine" about the bible. It's just a book that matches the writing style of the time period, which is history mixed with mythology and embellishment for dramatic effect.
@@edwebber679 At least you're willing to admit you don't know. But wouldn't you rather have an eternity of pure joy if it was even possibly true?
Exactly what I was thinking. His search is to explain why the Bible doest fit his life.
As my faith has grown and is maturing I have a yearning to know GODS word through the Bible more. And to give glory to my creator GOD. Jesus Christ saved my life and I am forever grateful
I enjoy listening to Frank Turek. I appreciate your commentary during the video. It definitely adds to the conversation. Thanks!
Thank you!
Frank is SO patient. Excellent ambassador for Christ
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and was so very much like the questioner. I had many questions, some just loose theories and some quite simple and valid. From the very outset, I was always discouraged from questioning and/or reading anything "secular". It pushed me to a sort of blind faith, which naturally fell apart once I became a late teen/young adult. It took nearly 15 years of spiraling down and trying everything along the way, to finally crumble and circle back to my roots. God then used my broken adult mind and spirit to rebuild me from my ashes. It was from that destroyed place that I was able to see the glory of God, likely in a way I never would've been able to otherwise. What's my point..? I don't recommend my path because it was seriously painful and life threatening. And I encourage all Christian leaders to nurture those who question instead of starving them. But I also encourage those who are broken, like I was, to not be afraid of coming to Christ. You'll find that Jesus has been right with you all along, and all of heaven celebrates your reunification. You have an eternal family, and you have a God that gave His own life to bring you home. You don't have to stay broken.
amen!
Hello there,
I was brought up a Pentecostal myself but my family did not discourage me from reading anything else. Of course, reading the Bible is important but that doesn't mean you don't get to read other stuff. My grandfather, who is the pastor of our church, has always said that you need to read books otherwise how else will you defend the faith.
I remember one time when we were at a sectional fellowship, there was a man who heard me saying things about Atheists like Richard Dawkins and his book the God Delusion. He told me that I should never read it because it would cause me to depart from the faith. Then my grandfather answered that I should read it so that I can know the man's views then find ways to defend the faith.
Now, I do not dismiss the reality that there are people in the church who share that man's concerns which is really an unhealthy way to protect young Christians, isolating them from the mind of the enemy won't do them any good because at the end of the day, these men will come to you and say so many things you think you can handle but actually you can't. Without knowing where they're coming from, it's hard.
Although that is not to say that I didn't have any wavering past myself. I had my nominal Christian years with agnostic tendencies but I didn't arrive to the conclusion of disassociating myself from religion nor did I even find rejecting the belief in God necessary, only that there was evident resentment on my part.
Anyway, it is unfortunate that there are Christians out there who were taught from childhood that they must only read the Bible and nothing else that's why when it's their time to walk in the outside world, they're going to both discover many things foreign to them and encounter people who have a Godless worldview to the point where they'll falsely conclude that Christianity is rubbish because they had not been exposed that much to hostile views.
I only managed to defend the faith because my enemies pushed me to read the Bible deeper at the same time not taking their words too quickly without testing them first as I John 4:1 advises us to do.
Thank you for your patience and God bless you
Been listening to your stuff basically all day now bro. I dig it. I’m a young earth creationist, largely thanks to Answers in Genesis.
Anyways, you got a new subscriber today. You can thank the algo for that too as it’s been suggesting your content quite a lot to me.
Thanks for engaging! God bless!!
This young man is not ready to let Jesus in his heart but his asking questions may lead him there. He is seeking answers🙏🙏🙏
Im so glad people are getting better and turning back to God
Getting better, and turning back to God? Probably true, but it is also true, people are getting worse, and turning from God. The reality is, the majority hate God, and love Satan.
definitely not happening.
@@saved217 I hate God so much and love me some Satan. When I hear the word Satan I just get so happy because he is so much cooler then God, that guy is lame. Imaginary figures are just that imaginary and I do not care about a fictional God and Satan.
@@kos-mos1127 What makes you think they are fictional?
Actually census data shows people are coming to their senses and not turning back to god, but turning their back to god.
I was all about science and my advanced degrees fueled my overinflated ego. I was proud just like this man. I was radically saved 2 months ago and I have no desire to prove anything to myself anymore. How can we understand God and His plan with our small minds! It is pride keeping this man from God and being on the other side now makes me so sad for him!
Science proves Bible is correct: th-cam.com/users/liveCFYswvGoaPU?si=A99KdqrorofdZA3r
God and his Plan - It will never happen. My Gran used to be told when she was a child "Jesus is coming". I am 68 so Jesus has been coming for 150 years. Where is he.
Bless your heart! Much love to you sister💙🙏🏼
A friend's sister was about to have a surgery for her cancer that her doctor found in two separate scans. Her doctor told her since she has a breast cancer history, he's 95% that this new mass is a cancer (based on their study of what the scans showed). We've been praying for her off and on, then one day I sensed that the Lord Jesus wanted me to stop what I'm doing and pray for her. So I did. Also, my friend and her sister prayed before her surgery. After her surgery, the doctor was scratching his head and told her that he couldn't find that mass from the scans. I can tell this story because it truly happened. If people use science against the existence of God, they will miss the fact that God created everything including science. Who are we to question our Awesome God, The Creator?
I went through about the same! Doctors said that I was going to lose my kidney and needed surgery but my church and family prayed over me and I was healed. The look on my doctor’s face was something I’ll never forget.
You give your videos a lot of thought I like it
Thanks
Its always Good to see people get educated about God
Not when they say the bible is not all true. Then they become misleaders and doubters themselves which leads to others not believing and doubting which leads to the devil misleading or getting people to turn away from God.
Exactly, my eye were open wode when I read the whole way throught the bible. Now I realise what nonsense it really is. Luckily too, because that god was one evil tyrant
@@Aaron_Heininger that’s what he said ! He said theres stuff in the Bible that you shouldnt take literally! Like plucking your eye 👁️ out
@@Aaron_Heiningerthat’s not what he said
@@RR-ue4im your miss reading my message and taking it as a direct attack on the person educating. What I was replying about is yes educating people in God is good but not when it creates doubt and leaves things out. Like for example this guy's argument is science led him away from God but the pastor neglected to teach the atheist that God is science cause he created everything using formulas and math to make everything. And while he still provided a strong argument against the non believer he still needs more work to make an even more powerful argument to open peoples minds that don't believe.
The crazy thing is I did what this guy said. I never stopped believing in Yahweh. Even without Church and even at points not even reading the Bible. There were years where I was not around another Christian. I had many people tell me why Christianity was wrong. However The Holy Spirit would never let me go down the road of non belief. No matter what the argument against God. No matter what accusation against the faith. We are all unique individuals. Some can handle certain circumstances and some can't.
Look into YWH. Just one of many competing "gods" in the Mesopotamian region. A god of bandits and pillage?
There's a hunger life can never fill, till you face the one who rose.🙏
@@jonprepchuk1534 Amen
I ALWAYS KNEW THERE WAS A GOD JESUS BUT NEVER KNEW HOW TO GET TO KNOW HIM BUT MANY YEARS LATER HE FOUND ME AND I FOUND HIM I WILL NEVER LEAVE MY LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE GREATEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN MY LIFE AND I LOVE HIS TRUTH AMEN AMEN AMEN
@@jonprepchuk1534 yes yes yes!! till you face the one who, rose, the almighty Osiris. May Osiris look upon you with favor, brother!!
I was healed on the 11th Feb 2024 from a life long issue.
I got to the point where I had enough of God, and what seemed like him making promises that I was exhausted of waiting for.
He healed me, and I havn't been the same since
Its genuine
Praise Jesus
Love thy God with all your mind, body, heart and soul.
I am currently in college for Physics and Mathematics and I am in awe in how our lord, God created our universe. It is precisely done for the benefit of mankind. Our lord is truly awesome in power. The more I learn about our universe, the more I appreciate the work of God.
It is the height of human arrogance to assume that this vast cosmos, with billions of planets and stars....was all created with us in mind.
The sun can kill you. Just standing in the sun. How is that perfectly made? Lol
@@sofaking6387 I’m going to let you reread my post, and hopefully it clicks.
A good Father gives his child the world and Jesus Christ is a good father. Especially to his children.@@edwebber679
And yet the Earth is put in the perfect place so we can enjoy the son without death. @@sofaking6387
The problem is arrogance feigning as a helpless leaf-in-the-wind being "forced to not believe," because of "reason," which is actually ignorance and arrogance.
You look like a former soldier. God loves the settings of your room and how you look! You are being truly who you are. Very good!
Praying for this young man
My wife is a God loving Bible study woman. She would never stop reading and studying the Bible even for one week.
Mine too!!! I’m divorcing her.
@@dash8drgood luck out there
I've been working on being that kind of person with a daily reading plan, and there have been times when I was tempted to just skip a day here or there, but whenever those thoughts start to intrude, I hear the Holy Spirit telling me to ignore them and keep reading and studying. I'm 88% done with this read-through of the Bible (planning on starting it again when I'm done) and the truths God has shown me through His word, to say nothing of the deeper understanding of Him, have left me in awe many times.
Since this is only my first full read-through of the entire Bible, I'm looking forward to what other truths and spiritual food God is going to show me in future read-throughs!
She didnot know the bible at all...she cooks and eat...if she knew what bible means she doesnt need it agian ..may be she forgets easily...❤❤❤❤
@@dash8drwhy?
9:55 is exactly how I become Christian. I’m an ex-atheist/agnostic and got curious about “Christian Mythology” and started to read the Bible. Needless to say, that was 3/4 years ago and I’ve now been baptized and saved through Jesus Christ. The Lord works in mysterious ways. I WAS in an atheist echo chamber, almost all of my friends are very nihilistic and I am the only one who believes in scripture.
Talking snakes, 900 year old men, talking stones, wizards, imortal people. Did you enjoy those bits of your fairy tale? It amazes me how an adult, in 2023, can believe in such atrocious stories!
@@FECtetra1918 And it amazes me how, despite 2000+ years of good and true religion, we still have disgraceful barbarians, to whom Greek philosophy and Judeo-Christian morality are foreign. Do you enjoy your little atheism? Do you enjoy hubris, which proclaims that you are somehow all-knowing when science itself admits that we are closer to a theory of nothing than a theory of everything?
@@avenger4027 Do you believe in talking snakes too?
@@FECtetra1918 Yes, I do. Just because mankind cannot fly with it's arms or legs, doesn't mean that birds cannot or that flight itself is conceptually impossible. Just because mankind or animals do not naturally have celestial powers, doesn't mean that there aren't beings that do have such powers. Considering that absolutely all cultures have some sort of record of supernatural beings, there's no doubt that at least some of the stuff considered supernatural really did exist. The point is... We know next to nothing about the physical universe. We haven't figured out the laws of physics yet and have not become omniscient enough to somehow confidently proclaim that "supernatural things are completely impossible".
@@avenger4027 We know snakes don’t talk. Toddlers know snakes don’t talk. It’s only ignorant people who worship a book written 2 thousand years ago by goat herders who believe snakes talk. Ignorance at its finest.
As a young Christian man in College for my 2nd semester, I can not explain with words the amount of doubt, more in myself than God mind you, and pain I’ve had. I’ve been battling homosexual thoughts and those feelings for my friend(s). It sucks a lot. But while I’ve been groping for a handhold, I’ve had a lot of Christian friends supporting me. This world has and will keep trying to bring me down, but I’ve got a community and a God that give me the strength to be better through Jesus.
Hello friend! Remember that Jesus will help you through the entire way! You don’t have to hide these feelings and doubts from Him, tell Him since He already knows. He still loves you don’t ever let anyone tell you (NOT EVEN YOURSELF) differently❤️ God bless you🫶🏾
There is nothing wrong with being gay and those who claim scripture in the Bible to say homosexuality is a sin don’t know the history of the translation and how it was purposely changed. It was never about homosexuality it was about pedophilia.
I put myself in the opposite of that echo chamber for a full decade. One where the world was telling me not to believe, and that only made God show himself more. I ran away as hard as I could and it only made God show himself to me in a stronger way.
Your point at the very end of the video is spot on; I was a highly intelligent child raised in church, and those around me could only speak in platitudes when it came to questions on the Bible. 11.5 years of addiction and alcoholism after that was necessary to get me to rock bottom where I studied it for myself and got saved. If you have an intelligent child, find intelligent Christians outside of your group to speak with him. I can refute every point the young man in the Q&A made using science itself, it’s by the grace of God that I survived in order to be able to. I can also tell you that the young man never revealed the real reason he left the faith, I’ve been in his shoes and I know the truth.
Sometimes it takes a person to hit rock bottom so our hearts are humble and willing to accept Jesus. In other points of our lives, our hearts are hardened or proud and unwilling to accept Jesus. I'm glad you found him.
I wanted to comment that I, too, noticed that this young man did not reveal the real reason for leaving his faith. I can infer that he still struggles with his decision and is definitely seeking answers. Hopefully, he has found what he is looking for.
Frank made a good point about the mathematical laws of physics that govern the universe. As rule of newton puts it-there cannot be laws without a lawmaker. All laws require intelligence to formulate and intelligence to understand. Humans unlike animals are capable of understanding laws and even compiling laws themselves. Laws do not ever come randomly. But There’s more evidence to intelligent design than that. We know God made things in fours. Examples for the earth: there’s four seasons four elements four winds four sides to earths compass. That’s four fours. The grids used for maps is made up of four squares of equal sides. In nature we have animals that walk on fours with typically four toes. Some have external fours such as tarantulas and octopuses around. Humans have four fingers each hand excluding thumbs. Humans also grow four wisdom teeth. DNA which makes up all life is made up of four principle molecules. Gods name in Hebrew you guessed it four letters YHWH. The eden God made in the beginning had four rivers that crossed it, two of which still exist today. It seems clearly that God left his fingerprints and name all over creation. I’m fully convinced God exist with no doubt in my mind. I also know there is a hope for the future with life up ahead. These things you don’t get from atheism.
Well put, and similar issue as a highly intelligent science/engineering type.
So.... Does God know everything?
@@blackmancer yes, god knows everything
"Nothing makes you believe anything, you've got to make your own choices." LOVE IT.
Wow. Loved your tie-up there
I think this guy is being very respectful and is very intelligent
This guy is very smart man. Not guy on stage but guy in audience
I walked away from God for 6 years… so glad He had mercy on me so I could come home.
Science doesn't contradicts God. Only gullible and irrational people chant that mantra. God bless your ministry 🙏❤️
Exactly right, science only observes the natural world which is all of God's creation, so really science observes God's creation. But science can't actually observe the past when it comes to the origin of life because then you have to include history which the Bible clearly states that the Earth was created in 6 days because that's mentioned 20 times throughout the Bible as well. Even Jesus proclaimed that the creation account is true as well because He never sinned so He cannot lie plus He is the beginning and the end.
Science does conflict with some literal natives of the Bible, though.
There's no firmament above the sky. Or how old the universe or the earth is to some people.
Yes it very surely does. Science changes as new information is found. None of them back up claims in the bible. You believe old stories instead of established facts. Now whos the gullible one?
@@tTtt-ho3tq Science doesn't conflict with anything in the Bible because it only observe the natural world and God's creation is the natural world so where does it conflict with anything plus the billions of years account is all assumptions which there's no evidence to prove that the Earth is old.
@@BeetleJuiceFromHell You're still pretty gullible because you go off of man's word of knowledge instead of God's knowledge. That's pretty gullible to me.
I'm a Writer, I've been writing for literally as long as I can remember, and The Bible is the most beautiful, eye-opening, future telling, enduring, relieving and promising books I've ever read. Every time I read something from The Bible, I learn more, the more I learn the more I want to learn and it goes on and on. For me, as someone who's *always* been curious and inquisitive by nature, I adore the fact that I *know* I'll *never* stop learning from reading The Bible, and that on its own is merit enough for me to continue reading it - let alone, developing a deeper relationship with God *through* it.
When you truly surrender your thoughts and control to God and start a quest for true knowledge..you will not be disappointed..God is on the other side..knock and he will answer.
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Keywords - I went to College..... Kids these days go to college and come back thinking the most insane things...
Fact is the USA is 29 in world education standards,in the USA the lowest education standards are in the bible belt states, just stop and let that sink in. Educating is not teaching by rote, knowing one plus one is two is useless if one does not know why. Real education is learning people to question,to think, to not just accept the first thing told you, and especially to take the word of anyone just because you think they are trustworthy, there is an old Apolistic Catholic saying, give me a child to the age of seven and I will give you the adult, and we all know what that lead to, it's the same as the saying good people do good things , and bad people do bad things,but only belief in gods can make good people do bad things, like flying planes into inhabited skyscrapers.
It's not new.
College is fraud... they only want your money.. careless of your education
Kids go to college to loose their mind. They start to belive that man can give birth to a child. College is one if most dangerous place for human souls.
I think people can have seasons of doubt. I got baptized when I was 13 but started doing drugs and became an alcoholic when I was 18. I'm 29 now and Christ never left me. Once sealed always sealed, HOWEVER only God knows the heart of man. It may take him 50 years to come back to The Lord of Glory but if he was saved. He will believe again.
If he never left you where was he or what was he doing when at only 13 years old you began to take drugs?
@@thetruthnothingbutthetruth1 He was trying to stay apart of my life. It really is as simple as that.
@@thetruthnothingbutthetruth1exactly
Christopher Hitchens is literally an example against your case. It's if you're OPEN to Jesus coming back in your life and you aren't biased away from God, THEN he will come back.
@@TheSpacePlaceYT be open to all the gods. There are over 13,000 now
We are all on a spiritual journey. We are where we are supposed to be. God is patient and will give us all the time we need.
I was taught the word of God my entire life. From about 17-24 I put him in the way back of my mind and was running with the devil (so to speak) and let me tell you, life with Jesus is better and he has shown himself to me time and time again. And THATS what brought me back to Him. But his word also says it Prov 22:6!
Thanks for this, literally having this conversation with an atheist friend…I’m praying God turns his heart and mind back to Him.
He doesn't need his heart to change. You've been brainwashed by a 2000 year old book.
Something I liked about my former senior pastor was that he said to ask questions about the Bible. Don't just accept it without question and it really opened up dialogue for things I had a hard time comprehending about the world we live in. The speaker was very real and was able to explain things without a bias. Great discussion.
I was raised Christian. I’m a rational thinking man, and have been my whole life. I read works by Blaise Pascal in high school. Even if you aren’t religious it’s crazy to not believe in a Higher Power. Franks rational thinking is something that should resonate with all of us.
Science to me reinforces that there is and will never be any evidence one can present that proves there are any gods .
I found peace with that and my life has been full of joy, love , and laughter
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Great explanations and reminder that not everything needs to be taken literally.
Maybe that's the problem, either it's true or it isn't th-cam.com/video/PSAsHAkPe2c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lljkNzzDl-OsllzH
I think the problem in church or Christian environment, sometimes, is that we get really smart curious and well read teenagers and young people. And most leaders don't know what to do with them. So they just shut them down. And make them feel isolated. I think sometimes Christian leaders feel like they have to have the answers. But I think it's ok to say "I don't know and maybe we can explore a particular topic together, and we can talk about it. "
That would be sooo much more positive and meaningful than saying “god did it”
I think that’s a very well thought out point. I can tell you that I had a lot of frustrations with the Church growing up because they would use science to support their claims and then deny it when it contradicted something else. I was always told “because God” or “therefore God” but that didn’t help me understand the intricacies any better. P.S. I’m the student in the video.
Saying "I don't know" is really hard for christians in general, but then again when you believe you are speaking for god or that you are representing his "word", then any opinion can become indisputable fact to the believer.
@@edwebber679 Yes it’s quite sad. Objective reasoning goes out the window.
I agree, I think this happens more often than we would care to admit.
I always love the people that bring the question of the age of the earth and universe into the conversation.
Yes, there are people like my nephew that firmly believe the earth is 6,000 years old, and that creation took six days of 24 hours each. And there are several programs that use science to "prove" it.
Then there are some like me that think that people 6,000 years ago had no concept or understanding of millions, let alone billions, of years. I am not a Bible scholar, but I recall some of the fathers in the Old Testament being told that their descendents would be numbered like the stars in the sky, or grains of sand. They weren't told their descendents would number in the billions.
Then there are those, also like me, that understand that the God that can create the universe and all that is within it, could also manipulate time.
I guess my thought is, don't put limitations on God. And don't blame God for your lack of understanding.
And remember, it is called "faith" for a reason. Don't count on miracles to validate faith, because even those who witnessed miracles by Jesus, still had doubts.
God bless.
Great video!
I pray that Jesus reveals Himself to this young man
Pray in one hand, crap in the other and see which gets filled first. Prayer is mental masturbation with zero effect on the world.
And he needed your prayer to do that? You don’t think that young man prayed that himself? Why would a Jesus not answer that prayer? This is one of just many reasons why Christianity is false. Because Jesus is unable to consistently act like an actual loving person to any degree.
@@ardbegthequestion When christians say this sort of thing, it's actually just a back handed insult. Since they can't actually back up anything they say, they will just say "I will pray for you" or some other such nonsense like joanna did, which really means "I can't and won't argue with you, so I'll feign moral superiority and insult you to make myself feel better."
@@edwebber679 - yeah, I agree that's loaded in the comment, but I wouldn't discount the genuine desire that she has for all to believe like she does. A common human desire. It's just seemingly more insidious that they don't even realize that they are doing it. I mean, I at least am more overt with being trollish to invoke people to think differently...
@@ardbegthequestion You would be correct about this persons desire for good, for the other person… again though, God can decide whatever he wants and it isn’t up to us to decide right and wrong because that was the mistake in the beginning. Adam and Eve wanted to know right and wrong which is now why we all pay for that mistake now. How could we dare overstep our creator’s will? That’s just silly. A lot of religions exist and it would be fair to assume that Christianity is no different, if you don’t have more knowledge and insight. I would’ve agreed with you about 2 years ago. If the man wants to be saved, Jesus will do exactly that, with or without prayer. But as a human we will always make mistakes and we will always misunderstand each other, AND God. God isn’t changing course, he never adjusts on the fly, he never makes a mistake and has to change it. He knows what has to be done and he’s doing it. We can either become slaves to our own natural sin, or we can become slaves to God, which is all goodness. I’m not trying to preach, maybe this’ll be read and help you find what you’re looking for in life, or maybe it’ll do nothing. I just want for others what I have experienced for myself. Without God, this world would have no order or no good, if you take away God, you take away all good. Dark is the absence light. White is all colors, black is no color. You can take light into a room and light it up, but you can’t take dark into a room and darken it if light is already there. I don’t think that’s coincidence. God gives you all of the proof in the world that he exists. If you don’t want to believe, he won’t make you. When God sends whoever to hell, it’s not punishment, it’s what they’ve been doing all of their life. To be in hell will be separation from God. It is separation from everything good, because God is everything good. Everything good that comes from us is God, not us, because we’re incapable of good without God. To be atheist means you believe that everything came from nothing, not possible. Being Atheist is simply serving yourself, so morals shouldn’t matter. Morality doesn’t exist in Atheism. But we all know that we have morals, so that disproves Atheism. Proof is everywhere that God exists.