I'm a 7mm08 guy. Everyone jumped on the 6.5 creedmoor wagon when the 7mm08 does the same thing with more energy and been doing it since 1980. Love your stuff Ron!
@Bill Madd lol. Im no B.C. specialist but I do shoot both or I did until my brother took over my 6.5cm and generally you shoot heavier projectiles with the 7mm08 and it generally does better. Dont get me wrong. You can get some 6.5cm loads to out preform some 7mm08 loads. Im just saying that everyone jumped on the 6.5 cm like it was doing something no other round could do with low recoil but yet the 7mm08 had been doing it. They both are excellent rounds its just a case of good marketing on hornady's part.
@@205jab4 Agreed. Some of the best rounds in history were just poorly marketed. (244 or 6mm Remington, 280 or 7mm Express Remington, 8mm Remington, 6.5 and 350 Remington Mag, 260 Rem... Wait a minute, I'm seeing a pattern here).
Due to my age and cancer my doctors recommended if I wanted to continue hunting. I back off on recoil. I have shot a .270 Win. With a 140gr. Accubond for 30+ years. After videos like this. I purchased a 7mm-08 shooting Barnes 120gr. Awesome 👏 killin anything I want in Texas including large Hogs!!!
Have a look at the 6.5 PRC. My Browning X-bolt with 140 pills kicks less than my 308. Has much better BC's and carries that energy out further than 7mm-08, and the longer higher BC bullets enable it to shoot much flatter than any 7mm-08 load. I have a 300 PRC and I'm picking up a 7mm PRC next week. If it's recoil you looking to decrease then look at these newer cartridges with the longer higher BC bullets.
How is the recoil on 7prc compared to you 6.5 prc? I took have to limit recoil due to blood thinners and wondering how tame (or not,) the 7mm prc will be compared to 7mm-08
Thanks Ryan. Over the years I've learned that it's easier (and more accurate) to be humble than arrogant. We're all in this together and can learn from one another so long as we keep open minds and investigate new information. What disappoints me are the many folks who seem so eager to belittle others and start silly name-calling fights over information like this. I wonder how many new or potential shooters/hunters are spooked away by such vitriol?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors very many that I've tried to bring in. It's a downright shame to the people who want to learn but find themselves getting belittled or degraded for not knowing. Your content is a lovely change of my pace to my usual content. Thank you kindly for it.
Ron I agree, the .280 remington should be more popular than what it is. It is a fantastic cartridge, capable of sub minute accuracy, shoots flatter than a 30-06, and is absolutely devastating on whitetail deer. My father's Japanese browning A-bolt chambered in .280 remington is his favorite rifle.
Great informative video. My old man, God rest his soul, gifted me his 7mm mag winchester model 70 when I started hunting as a junior. He always said with this gun you will never need any other to hunt with, one of the best hard hitting fast and flat shooting cartridges out there.
Tried several and shot the magnums for years. I finally settled on the 7mm/08. Killed everything without the recoil and usually in a lighter rifle. Favorite caliber in my old age.
@@LivingBetterOutdoors Works great!! Just keep your ranges reasonable. I believe its a good 500yd. Cartridge, and thats a long poke in most anyone's book.
much like the 7 mm 08 Recoil is exactly why I switched to the 243 years ago. Been deer hunting for almost 45 years have killed 100s of deer with everything from 222 up to 300 Winchester magnum. I decided I don't like recoil anymore so several years ago I started hunting with a 243 because my son and my wife both hunt with that caliber make buying ammo much easier.
@@curte6062 Curt, May I ask what state you hunt deer in ? I have always felt the .243 Winchester in marginal at best on whitetail deer but I know my assessment on the .243 is wrong. I just feel undergunned using it for deer hunting.
My dad got me a 7mm08 rifle for my first hunting rifle, and 9 years later I still love it! It's a great all around cartridge for my PA deer hunting needs!
I think the 7mm rem mag is the perfect all rounder cartridge for deer. It has manageable recoil, decent barrel life, and will shoot a 162gr bullet at 3000-3100fps with very flat trajectory. Once you step up to the 30 cals to get the same trajectory, you need to use 200+Gr bullets with way more powder behind them and you’re talking huge recoil.
@@ronaldm6009 Depends on the bullet and distance. I'd happily shoot anything with it at 'moderate' range. Magnums are of course better 100 + yards further out.
@@ronaldm6009 I'm shopping for a Tikka in 7-08 (own an older Rem. Model 7 in that caliber) and plan to work up a load with Hornady 150 grain ELD-X's. Should be deadly as far as I can hit.
Yes Ron I picked up A 7MM-08 in the Thompson Center Compass with 5R rifling 's nice little gun to be packing around for hunting. I also picked up some 308 military match grade brass and being a hand loader I converted it to 7MM-08.
Over here (Europe) the 7x57 is not hamstrung by the North American pressure specs, and it really gives the round some more oomph. Great cartridge, one of my favorites!
@@8d4o0c4 Agree about the sorry state of 7x57 factory ammo here in the states. But if you handload for it, you've got a very effective caliber. 2800 fps easily with 140 grain pills. And excellent long-range results with the heavier high-BC bullets that can be found now.
You need to include the 7x57r and 7x65r - the rimmed versions of the 7x57 and 7x64. Used in a number of European made single shots, break actions and combination guns. 7x64 and 7x65r very popular in Europe.
I have 7x65R/12 Brno. My first and most loved rifle. From fox season I carry only my Czech sweethart. ;) Bought X-bolt 308 only because of target plinking and training.
Suhler Drilling Rifle 1962 year of production from my Grandpa (He past away before i was born) was my first Rifle for Hunting here in Germany 7x57R 16/65 22.Hornet plug in Barrel on the second shot Barrel / Zeiss 3-12x56 Scope i have it till today my every Day Rifle for Hunting here in Germany from Fox (when near with Shotgun when more away with 22 Hornet) and then with the 7x57R from 10kg Fawn to 120kg Wildboar to 150kg Redstag this Rifle works and never left me alone the 7x57R is my Favorit for Hunting ok for driven Hunts i have a straightpull Rifle in 308 cause the Rifle i wanted is not cambered with 7x57 Mauser but for the rest the Drilling of my Grandpa is on my Side
I love my 7x61 S&H. First marketed in 1953, in my opinion, it’s the most efficient 7mm magnum HUNTING cartridge to this day based on case size, geometry and modern powders. Ease of feeding/cycling defines it. It’s belted and drives tacks if chambered in a high quality rifle.
My wife and I both have rifles in this great cartridge. Moose, elk and deer have all fallen in front of our rifles. It's big brothers 308NM and 358 are excellent also.
@@jackrobinson8945 Fantastic! I inherited my fathers 308 Norma Magnum chambered in a 1977 Remington 700 ADL with a 23.5” Douglas Premium barrel. The gunsmith told Dad that if he was going to install the barrel it would be 23.5” long or he could have someone else do it. To this day it drives tacks using 180 grain bullets of any make.
My Kimber 84M Montana in 7mm-08 has turned out to be my most used hunting rifle. Deer, bear and 40 pound Catskill mountain coyote all fall to it with one shot. Using Barnes TTSX bullets, I wouldn't hesitate to hunt Elk or Moose with it. My other centerfire rifles have become neglected since I acquired it.
I love the 7mm Rem Mag! Its the first centerfire I got when I started shooting as a teen. I think it provides a great balance of power, flat trajectory and recoil all in on package! There are better cartridges out there but in my opinion few give as good a balance in performance at an economical price or gun selection.
My first high power rifle too..700 rem from wal mart dad bought for Christmas for just over $400 I think round 2000..bout to start customizing it as I’ve wanted too for yrs just never got to it..
I've owned a Ruger 77 target rifle in the .280 Remington caliber since 1987 and I've always loved the way it shoots. I load/reload my ammo for all my pistol and rifle calibers and I had the barrel replaced on the .280 Rem 8 years ago, the rifle will out-last me.
I wanted to add, the 7mm Mauser in a Spanish Mauser 93, was my first high powered center fired rifle. My first purchase of a modern rifle was a Remington, Model 788, Left handed Bolt Action Rifle, in .308Win. I still own that today. I used that rifle in many a deer hunt. Art
Excellent video Ron! I’ve been shooting a Model 700 in 7mm Remington Mag over 40 years. I feel it’s the best all around cartridge which will effectively take any big game animal in the world. Plus ammo is readily available everywhere at reasonable prices. My new 7mm Rem. Mag. rifle is a Tikka T3X Veil Lite with fluted barrel, fluted bolt and muzzle brake. It is super light and also super accurate! Easy to carry all day in the mountains and deadly at long ranges.
I love my 280 rem in a Remington 700 bdl. I use it for everything I hunt now out to 400 yards. 140 gr accubond nosler trophy will drop deer and antelope pigs and exotics usually where they stand and 160 partition hand load for elk. Never had elk go more than 20 yards with that bullet inside 400 yards.
I bought my Tang Safety in ‘83 in .308; a few years ago I rebarreled with a custom PacNor polygonal in 260AI. Best fitting rifle of them all for me, and having that safety switch right under your thumb can’t be beat, no reaching or unnatural flip movements, just “click.”
Great videos!!! Fan of the 7mm’s. Another factor to consider is recoil and feel the 280 and 280 AI are the best of both worlds in regards to recoil and down range ballistics. Not to far below the 7mm mag with significant less recoil with the same weight projectile. In my opinion, these are two under rated hunting calibers.
One additional advantage of the 280 and 280 AI, that seldom seems to get mentioned, is that along with the good ballistic performance with manageable recoil, you also have increased magazine capacity, particularly over the magnum or short far cartridges. And to a lesser extent, they tend to feed slightly better.
I believe the 7mm Remington was more or less a commercial version of the 7 x 61 Sharpe and Hart.... both on the ,374 H&H case head..... The S&H round was usually combined with the Schultz and Larsen model 65 rifle....a brute strong rear locker .... long time ago... :-)
Another good video, Ron. Thanks! :) I shoot a stutzen 7x57, but if i hunted in the mountains more, a kipplauff in 7x64 or 7x65r would probably be the dream. Short, light and elegant guns.
It's funny once I moved off the 30 cals I went with 7mm08, 7mm rem mag, 28 nos in that order. Loving my 28 nos with a 175 grain accubond its just been brilliant. With a 24" barrel (anda 2-3" long brake) I'm getting 3150 FPS MV. Lastly the 7mm SAUM is a highly overlooked round in my opinion. Another good one Ron!
The 7x57mm Mauser was a good cartridge at the time and some modern rifles are chambered with that caliber made to handle higher pressure for modern loads. Remington also necked the 7x57mm case down to 6mm when they developed the 6mm Remington in the mid or late 1950s, it was originally called the .244 Remington. I have a Remington 700 hunting rifle in the 6mm Rem and it's a flat shooter.
Thanks for a great video - as always! I own a 7x61 S&H, pushing a 150gr Sierra GK easily above 3000fps. Awesome gun with an even better story - passed on from my grandfather in early 1960's, to my father, and then onto me. Keep up the good videos!
@John Beige I love the round but have had bad luck in finding a good gun chambered in it. Always have shot out barrels and worn headspace. I'm planning on getting a Rem 700 receiver and building a custom rifle in it
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@@GMdrivingMOPARguy Look into the Swedish Mausers, make an excellent hunting rifle in 7x57 Mauser to this day. Bring your checkbook, while amazingly well built, are a bit pricey.
At one time I owned nine rifles from a 30-30 on up to a 7-mm magnum. My favorite was my 280 Remington. That is one heck of a great rifle with less recoil than the 30-06 or the 308; and of course less recoil than the 7 mm Magnum. The best shot I ever made was with my 270 Browning on a mule deer, creeping up a hill 450 pieces away from me. One shot through the heart. That's because I had my rifle sighted in properly and I got a little bit lucky. That thing went down like Frasier when he fought George Foreman. Lol. Thanks for your input I'll be watching a lot of your videos. I also am looking at the 7 mm '08. as I'm older now I like a shorter rifle with less recoil. Recoil was never an issue with me but when we get older our muscles become smaller and our gut bigger. Haha
I just recently found your Channel. I am a big fan of Jack O'Connor from back in the 50's. I think I still have most of his books and some that were autografted. I like your style and knowledge. You remind me of him. He always seemed to use common sense in the world of hunting and shooting. A great writer. I hope to follow your channel for some time, God willing. Art in California
After shooting a hard punching 7rem mag, was looking for similar ballistics in a milder recoil. After talking to a good friend and ACCURATE rifle builder Wayne Chapman, he suggested building me a 280 Remington on a new 270 Winchester he had just sold me. Mated to a Shilen barrel, the new build can easily group 3 shots in 3/8 in. Great hunting rig! Great info, Ron and always enjoy your hunting stories. Well written and light humor make for great reads! Stay well, and good hunting.
For an all around cartridge where efficientcy and performance is King, I would have a hard time finding a better choice than 7mm-08. It gives up very precious little to my 7mm Rem Mag as a game getter at prudent hunting ranges. I can only think of a hand full of shots I have taken beyond 400 yards in the last 40 years on game animals!
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Ron, I have been attached to the 7x57 since I first began reloading in 1969! As a hunter... HUNTING required sneaking close enough to take advantage of the BC of the projectiles I had loaded. 139 gr or 140 gr has been sufficient for every kill, including elk & antelopes to 300 yards. I have never needed a 2nd shot. I STUCK WITH 7X57 because it stretched my powder farther behind the lighter projectiles. Also, the recoil factor made shooting for several hours way more FUN! My ego never required a larger round. BTW, great video! Thanks so much!
After years of hunting a wide variety big game with various cartridges, Jack O'Connor, Jim Carmichael, and Craig Boddington, all arrived at the same conclusion. The 7X57 is clearly one of the most efficient cartridges ever invented.
Ron, I used to be a three position National Level competitor and the last rifle I used was a nicely built Remington Model 700 in 7-08. This rifle was set up with micrometer rear sights and a tunnel front. Since that style of shooting now allows a shooter to use a detachable box magazine, my rifle was cut to load via a 5 shot stripper clip. It also has a cut away in the rear of the front bridge to accommodate longer bullets.
That was very interesting Ron, thank you for this video. I’m sold of the 280 AI, with the right twist and longish barrel, you can get some darn good performance out of that 06 case. I reload so I can fine tune a powder charge for it. And I think you will agree! Cheers
But still finding 280 ammo ain't nearly as easy as say the tried n true 7mm RM. I have the STW looking to rechamber to something easy to find, and I reload.
If you reload and don’t mind the belted cases, the 7RM is great. But I don’t know if you can rechamber the STW to a 7RM. Isn’t the STW a larger case than the 7RM? You can certainly rebarrel and if you do go with a faster twist rate than the 1:10 or 1:9 factory 7RM barrels to take advantage of the newer, high BC bullets. Then you would be getting close to the same as the new 7PRC which are very limited in supply both in ammo and reloading components. Of course primers are in short supply for everything especially in Canada where I live.
@dougtarbet6193 well I failed to also mention I'd get another barrel chambered in something different, and yes the PRC would be good but it's about as hard to buy for as my STW now. I'm at a 1:9.25 twist now. I'd look to go 1:8 if possible to shoot the longer heavier bullets. That 28 nosler is good, but once again not easy to find.
@@michaelapple2753 28 Nosler is hot in every way, iincluding throat erosion. I hear 800 round and it new barrel time. Now if it’s strictly for hunting it can last a lifetime. But if you like hitting steel at 1000 yards every weekend, well be prepared! Another one I don’t know enough sbout is necking up a 6.5 PRC to 7mm. Heard top F-Class shooters are doing this. I think Gavin on Ulitmate Reloader is doing a build on TH-cam.
My 7X57 chambered in a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight is an awesome package. It shoots hand loads and factory loads with incredible accuracy. I have on more than one occasion shot 4 shot groups from the bench that were covered with a dime ( both handloads and factory ). Ive killed severeal whitetail and each kill were instataneous. I used 140 grain Speers.
Thank you for another great and informative video Ron. I have been a 7mm fan for many years. Thank you for your high praise of the 284 Win. I have a 284 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mm STW. Love the 284 Win. To me it is the ultimate all around cartridge.
Hi Ron, A big thanks for making another fine video. Seeing the 7mm title, it piqued my interest. They all work, and it is a good way to pass one’s time as gun cranks with discussion of the merits of cartridge design, historical perspective and influence, and performance characteristics of each. I can tell, based on your previous 7MM Remington Magnum video as a great argument to the most balance and performance in the 7MM spectrum and this video, you are very fond of the round...been shooting one since the mid 70’s myself, and purchased my first in 1980 in a Ruger 77R Tang. I also use and hunt with a semi-custom 7MM RUM at 7 lbs 14 oz all up (no brake) and a .280 A.I. Each cartridge is tailored to the rifle and all have their place in a given rifle platform. If one were to throw all the info into a computer, the 7MM Weatherby just might get the nod for the most performance in initial velocity with manageable recoil to the average shooter in a moderate weight hunting rifle. No doubt, the great denominator in all cartridges is the bullet, as you always point out. Thanks Ron... great job...keep the videos a ‘comin ! Paul in North Central MINNESOTA.
What a fantastic video covering all the 7 mm's! Cartridge line up and data comparison was great. This is a reference guide I'm sure I'll watch again. Thanks, Ron.
I have been carrying a 7mm Rem Mag since I was 13. I am 58 now. It has always done what I needed it to do. I also use a 7mm TCU in a T/C Contender which is a fun round to play with and it is good on deer.
Ron!! You keep these videos up and the sky is the limit. I’m not a dummy on ballistics but you always farther my knowledge! Plus, you covered the 7mm08 and I bought one. I love the .270 Winchester and wanted one for years but I have 2 girl’s so I went with the 08 in a Winchester featherweight. I’ll get my .270 though. Thank you for the video’s!
Thanks Ron I’ve liked all your videos but I think this one has been my favorite. I’ve always had a sweet spot for the .284’s and just recently purchased a fierce edge in .280ai first 3 shot group was a .381” with factory federal 155gr terminal ascents. I love your videos and your ethics you teach. I always hope I can run into you out in the field someday and shake your hand.
Holy shit. Many people talk about the difference between a rifle and a colt for about 30 minutes, but spending 30 minutes on just one specific calibre is really amazing. That separates the real expert from a "wanna-be". Respect, respect. Eagerly looking forward to watching further videos. After having found this channel now and subscribed, I surely watch more of your videos. They are really enlightening. Thanks for sharing.
I really appreciate you taking the time to talk about the 7mm. Very much enjoyed. I just got a set of 7 STW dies at a good deal. Has anyone checked pressures in a 7x57 with the new rifles, powers and bullets we have? Making new loads would really be flying. Anyway, excellent review. Lived it. Great coverage. Thank you for all you do.. Jeff D
@@TommyboyGTP when were're looking for a "tissue" we ask for a 'Kleenex" At least here in Canada..That's all. But the same way a 7mm is a 7mm RM, unless specified differently. ..
My Winchester 94 7 40 Waters is a great rifle/round combination I really enjoy shooting. I've had several 7mms come and gone but that 7mm lever gun will never go.
I picked up 7/30 waters dies the other day in an assortment at auction. Very interested in that caliber now. Also got dies for 280 Remington in that haul... I fear I'm not done paying for that purchase. 😉
My Grandpa had a 280 Ross. The action was a bit different. If I remember it was a straight pull with a rotary bolt. I can't remember every thing about it I haven't seen it in 50 years
My personal favorite out of that list is the 7mm WSM. The 28 is fun (I was pushing 195 Berger EOL’s at 3200 fps out of a 28” barrel), but the 7mm WSM is light recoiling, and I’m pushing 190 Berger’s at a nice mellow 2900 fps (in a 22” barrel) with 15gr less powder than the 195’s in the 28 Nosler. I just wish someone made good brass for the WSM. Sounds like Sherman’s mega brass will be usable for the WSM though!
I've been using my STW for a long time and I think it's a really cool caliber thanks for sharing I was starting to believe that was the only one I had in STW
Will kill anything, in North America Black Bear Grizzly Bear Brown Bear Polar Bear, and Moose, recomend that you use 175 grain Nosler Parttion Bullet. Its a BAD BOY.
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10 year's ago I wanted to build a custom rifle chambered in something out of the ordinary. I was considering a 7 STW but ended up building a 280 Ackley with a 26 inch barrel. It shoots 1/2" groups and drops elk just like a 7mm Rem Mag would. I absolutely love it! The only problem is..... now I want a 7 STW!
I'd consider the 28 nosler. It's potato/potahto with the STW, but I think that you'll find more rifles and brass available, not to mention the rifles that are chambered for the nosler tend to have a fast twist rate to stabilize the 190gr projectiles for long range work. I had one and sold it; I wanted to get a 7WSM but instead settled on 300WSM because there are not many rifles being chambered in 7WSM anymore. I did some thinking about how I hunt (which was the point of the nosler) and Ive decided that I will not ever shoot beyond 500Yds at game; therefore the nosler and WSM really make no difference in any practical sense. Other considerations aside, even if you want to build a custom rifle, things are much more available for 30/06 length action. custom actions, stocks, etc on a long action are more likely to be on the shelf with shorter lead times. That said, if you're building a custom rifle, make sure you actually like it...
I do enjoy the 7mm08 and 7mm remington magnum. Very easy to shoot. Will do anything that needs doing. Montana rifle company 7mm08 and a custom super grade 7 mag.
I have a .284 and it will eventually be rebarreled 7 Mauser. .284 is good except it's an in between round for american 2.8 and 3.3" standard actions, and I have an arisaka that feeds mausers and has a 3" mag box.
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I've got a Ruger model 77 in the 7 mm magnum... 24 inch barrel. Wood stock. I don't think it kicks anymore than my 3006..... I've tryed two rifles with the senthetic stocks .. not for me.... The wood stocks help with recoil greatly in my app. Thanks
GREAT video, Ron, especially for 7mm fans like me. Yeah, the 7BR is great for handguns like my Wichita bolt hand gun. The 7-30 Waters was, I think, developed for the T/C Contender pistol to get that 7mm bullet on the 30-30 case. A great lever action gun that is soft as a BB gun but also a great handgun cartridge.
Ken Waters designed the cartridge and was originally chambered in the Winchester 94 circa 1976, that's why all the factory ammo has had blunt nosed bullets, so it would be safe in tube magazines. The shoulder was also pushed to slightly greater angle so keep people from chambering them in 30-30 rifles. But yeah, lots of TC barrels out there. I had one in the 90s and it was a fun, powerful round out of a 14" barreled pistol for sure!
Goes in the deer .284 wide comes out big enough for 2 1/2 fingers wide every time. Love my little 7mm-08 the 140 sp. on deer is super. I’m wondering where there are deer left though if the cover let’s you see 400yds+. Most places I’ve hunted you’re lucky or not to see 150/200.My first was at about 40yds.
Looking to get my first bolt action hunting rifle. Liking the 7-08. Live in Cali for deer and boar 🐗. (Edit for spelling) Good cartridge? Im new to all this.
ABSOLUTELY, BUT I JUST ACQUIERED A .284 WINCHESTER CUSTOM BUILT REMINGTON 700 USED, I AM HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS NOW ABOUT THE 7MM-08 AND THE 7×57 MAUSER!!🤷♂️
@@Plainsimple67 never owned a 284, but if you can get the brass and reload to dial in the velocity so you don't blow up the game inside a hundred yards ( or maybe select a heavier slower bullet for all ranges) you have an interesting and viable cartridge if the barrel is not too worn from sizzling loads. with that 700 action, shouldn't be hard to fit a new barrel if that one has been shot out. sounds like a beauty!
@@gregorywalker4997 I THINK WHOEVER OWNED IT, HAD IT CUSTOM MADE AND WENT ON A FEW HUNTS AND THAT'S IT!!, CAME WITH A VX 3 LEOPOLD ON IT AS WELL. IF I HAVE TO HAVE IT MADE TODAY IT WILL BE AROUND $2 TO 3K MINIMUM!! I HAD A LOT OF .284 BRASS FROM THE PAST THAT I USED TO OPEN THE NECKS UP TO FIRE OUT OF MY K-31 SWISS RIFLES WHEN 7.5X55 BRASS WASN'T AVAILABLE, THAT WAS ANOTHER MOTIVATION BEHIND BUYING IT, OTHER THEN THEY GAVE IT AWAY TO ME FOR $500.00 OUT THE DOOR!! YOU CAN ALWAYS PLAY WITH LOADS ABD BULLET TYPES BASED ON THE HUNT YOU ARE GOING TO.
Ron, your stories are so interesting and informative. Thanks! I have wanted a Remington Rolling Block rifle for years and years, but I didn't really want one in a black-powder cartridge. I bid on one in 7mm Spanish Mauser, and won the auction. I learned that the best way to get the correct brass for one of them is to neck down .30-'06 brass, and trim it until the breach block just closes. It looks like I'll be hand loading gas-checked lead bullets for this one.
Another great video Ron! I don't know if you've done this one yet, but it would be fun to take a look at the '06 family of cartridges. Instead of focusing on the same caliber bullets to instead focus on the different ways the 30-06 case has been used over the years.
I have a 7mm BR encore it's a reloader cartridge I use Winchester 748 powder compress loads and it's a tak driver and I use it fir whitetail deer and shoot groundhogs but like you say very hard to find brass or ammo but since I reload that is my kid's favorite hunting rifle my 12 year old daughter really likes shooting it my 14 year old son likes 308 encore that's why I like the encore variety of calibers my personal opinion that is why we live in America 🇺🇸GOD BLESS
It is rated for 60,000 psi by SAAMI. Most modern rifles and cartridges can withstand way more pressure than they're rated for, but this is to keep people's fingers, eyes, faces, and hands intact. I know gun makers who have pressure tested their rifles with double loads taking pressures to 120,000 psi without blowing up their rifles. Don't do anything like this! Stick with SAAMI specs.
I've been shooting the 30-06 for 54 years. I have a muzzle brake on my FN Herstal Mauser 98 30-06 which I have with a free floated barrel in an Archangel stock. I love this stock with this gun. Give me the 30-06 every time, every day. Thanks, great video!
7x64 is probably the only one you could find right now, mainly because the European manufacturers (Sellier & Bellot, Prvi Partizan) are producing stock normally (as opposed to US manufacturers who are shifting production to premium lines to exploit the current shortage).
I'm a 7mm08 guy. Everyone jumped on the 6.5 creedmoor wagon when the 7mm08 does the same thing with more energy and been doing it since 1980. Love your stuff Ron!
@Bill Madd lol. Im no B.C. specialist but I do shoot both or I did until my brother took over my 6.5cm and generally you shoot heavier projectiles with the 7mm08 and it generally does better. Dont get me wrong. You can get some 6.5cm loads to out preform some 7mm08 loads. Im just saying that everyone jumped on the 6.5 cm like it was doing something no other round could do with low recoil but yet the 7mm08 had been doing it. They both are excellent rounds its just a case of good marketing on hornady's part.
Thanks 205 Jab.
@@205jab4 Agreed. Some of the best rounds in history were just poorly marketed. (244 or 6mm Remington, 280 or 7mm Express Remington, 8mm Remington, 6.5 and 350 Remington Mag, 260 Rem... Wait a minute, I'm seeing a pattern here).
@@demetriuscooksey7147 🤣 yes Remington should have put a lil more money in the marketing for sure.
7.62 is bore size too. So they did the same with it as the other metric designated cartridges.
Due to my age and cancer my doctors recommended if I wanted to continue hunting. I back off on recoil. I have shot a .270 Win. With a 140gr. Accubond for 30+ years. After videos like this. I purchased a 7mm-08 shooting Barnes 120gr. Awesome 👏 killin anything I want in Texas including large Hogs!!!
Best wishes for your fight with cancer 🙏
Happy hunting.
Keep it up man, best wishes
Good luck my friend
Have a look at the 6.5 PRC. My Browning X-bolt with 140 pills kicks less than my 308. Has much better BC's and carries that energy out further than 7mm-08, and the longer higher BC bullets enable it to shoot much flatter than any 7mm-08 load. I have a 300 PRC and I'm picking up a 7mm PRC next week. If it's recoil you looking to decrease then look at these newer cartridges with the longer higher BC bullets.
How is the recoil on 7prc compared to you 6.5 prc? I took have to limit recoil due to blood thinners and wondering how tame (or not,) the 7mm prc will be compared to 7mm-08
I've had my 7x57 from when I was 16 years old. M98 action, can't beat the strength of that one. Thanks for the story.
Sweet! Well done.
A severely underrated cartridge in this age. Funny enough, it is quite comparable to 6.5 Creedmoor.
P.O. Ackley improved it. he stated that it and the 257 Roberts improved were 2 of his best.
All I can say is thank you for being so humble to the hunting world 👍
Thanks Ryan. Over the years I've learned that it's easier (and more accurate) to be humble than arrogant. We're all in this together and can learn from one another so long as we keep open minds and investigate new information. What disappoints me are the many folks who seem so eager to belittle others and start silly name-calling fights over information like this. I wonder how many new or potential shooters/hunters are spooked away by such vitriol?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors very many that I've tried to bring in. It's a downright shame to the people who want to learn but find themselves getting belittled or degraded for not knowing. Your content is a lovely change of my pace to my usual content. Thank you kindly for it.
Ron I agree, the .280 remington should be more popular than what it is. It is a fantastic cartridge, capable of sub minute accuracy, shoots flatter than a 30-06, and is absolutely devastating on whitetail deer. My father's Japanese browning A-bolt chambered in .280 remington is his favorite rifle.
Ron is on a roll and we love it.
He fills the role pretty well.
perhaps you mean "roll" ?
Yea he is on a ROLL alright. It’s amazing how much crap grammar/spelling you see on TH-cam. Shows us how poor our education system is in this nation.
Once I stumbled upon 7mm-08, that was it for me. I all but retired my 30-06. When I started taking whitetails at deer camp, I won over a few converts.
Great informative video. My old man, God rest his soul, gifted me his 7mm mag winchester model 70 when I started hunting as a junior. He always said with this gun you will never need any other to hunt with, one of the best hard hitting fast and flat shooting cartridges out there.
Tried several and shot the magnums for years. I finally settled on the 7mm/08. Killed everything without the recoil and usually in a lighter rifle. Favorite caliber in my old age.
@@LivingBetterOutdoors Works great!! Just keep your ranges reasonable. I believe its a good 500yd. Cartridge, and thats a long poke in most anyone's book.
much like the 7 mm 08 Recoil is exactly why I switched to the 243 years ago.
Been deer hunting for almost 45 years have killed 100s of deer with everything from 222 up to 300 Winchester magnum.
I decided I don't like recoil anymore so several years ago I started hunting with a 243 because my son and my wife both hunt with that caliber make buying ammo much easier.
@@curte6062 Curt, May I ask what state you hunt deer in ? I have always felt the .243 Winchester in marginal at best on whitetail deer but I know my assessment on the .243 is wrong. I just feel undergunned using it for deer hunting.
In terms of efficiency, the 7x57 and 7mm-08 are impossible to beat.
Couldn’t agree more
I like just listening to these videos. It reminds me of family discussions about rifles
I have a 7mm08 ,280 REM and 7mm REM mag, love them all, great caliber.
The 7mm is fabulous in every way. I have a 7mm-08, .280 Remington, and 7 mag.
My dad got me a 7mm08 rifle for my first hunting rifle, and 9 years later I still love it! It's a great all around cartridge for my PA deer hunting needs!
I think the 7mm rem mag is the perfect all rounder cartridge for deer. It has manageable recoil, decent barrel life, and will shoot a 162gr bullet at 3000-3100fps with very flat trajectory. Once you step up to the 30 cals to get the same trajectory, you need to use 200+Gr bullets with way more powder behind them and you’re talking huge recoil.
When ever im feeling stressed with the world, I like to sit with a brew and just listen to Ron Spomer.
My first rifle was a Model 93 Spanish Mauser in 7x57mm, my favorite round was Winchester Western 7x57mm, 175 grain soft point.
I love the 7mm-08 for mule deer and elk.
Knocks whitetails down flat too ;-)
@@ronaldm6009 Depends on the bullet and distance. I'd happily shoot anything with it at 'moderate' range. Magnums are of course better 100 + yards further out.
@@ronaldm6009 I'm shopping for a Tikka in 7-08 (own an older Rem. Model 7 in that caliber) and plan to work up a load with Hornady 150 grain ELD-X's. Should be deadly as far as I can hit.
7-08 is an underrated cartridge. Its no barn burner but it has a lot of good things going for it.
@@NickFrom1228 I've shot a few deer with it, flattens them just fine.
I love my 280 and 7mm Rem mag both! Depends on my mood on which I carry.
Yep.
T Lloyd I've got them both too. Both Browning A-Bolt stainless stalkers LH with B.O.S.S.
I got a 270win and the 7mm rem mag, I like the 7mm more but I know the 270 will kill just as well if I make my placement count
After watching this video I understand why Lazzeroni Arms called their proprietary .284 cartridge the 7.21 Firebird.
Thanks Ron!
Yes Ron I picked up A 7MM-08 in the Thompson Center Compass with 5R rifling 's nice little gun to be packing around for hunting. I also picked up some 308 military match grade brass and being a hand loader I converted it to 7MM-08.
I've always loved the 7x57. Never shot any of the other 7mms but I do love that 7x57.
Nothing wrong with 2,700 fps
@@demetriuscooksey7147 agreed sir. And where I hint. It's actually considered what some would call over kill. 45 yard kill zone.
Over here (Europe) the 7x57 is not hamstrung by the North American pressure specs, and it really gives the round some more oomph. Great cartridge, one of my favorites!
@@8d4o0c4 Agree about the sorry state of 7x57 factory ammo here in the states. But if you handload for it, you've got a very effective caliber. 2800 fps easily with 140 grain pills. And excellent long-range results with the heavier high-BC bullets that can be found now.
The 7x57 has become my favorite deer hunting cartridge - had 2 Mauser 98 sporters built in that chambering.
You need to include the 7x57r and 7x65r - the rimmed versions of the 7x57 and 7x64. Used in a number of European made single shots, break actions and combination guns. 7x64 and 7x65r very popular in Europe.
Agreed. I shoot them both. fantastic
7x33
I have 7x65R/12 Brno. My first and most loved rifle. From fox season I carry only my Czech sweethart. ;) Bought X-bolt 308 only because of target plinking and training.
Suhler Drilling Rifle 1962 year of production from my Grandpa (He past away before i was born) was my first Rifle for Hunting here in Germany 7x57R 16/65 22.Hornet plug in Barrel on the second shot Barrel / Zeiss 3-12x56 Scope i have it till today my every Day Rifle for Hunting here in Germany from Fox (when near with Shotgun when more away with 22 Hornet) and then with the 7x57R from 10kg Fawn to 120kg Wildboar to 150kg Redstag this Rifle works and never left me alone the 7x57R is my Favorit for Hunting ok for driven Hunts i have a straightpull Rifle in 308 cause the Rifle i wanted is not cambered with 7x57 Mauser but for the rest the Drilling of my Grandpa is on my Side
I love my 7x61 S&H. First marketed in 1953, in my opinion, it’s the most efficient 7mm magnum HUNTING cartridge to this day based on case size, geometry and modern powders. Ease of feeding/cycling defines it. It’s belted and drives tacks if chambered in a high quality rifle.
My wife and I both have rifles in this great cartridge. Moose, elk and deer have all fallen in front of our rifles. It's big brothers 308NM and 358 are excellent also.
@@jackrobinson8945 Fantastic! I inherited my fathers 308 Norma Magnum chambered in a 1977 Remington 700 ADL with a 23.5” Douglas Premium barrel. The gunsmith told Dad that if he was going to install the barrel it would be 23.5” long or he could have someone else do it.
To this day it drives tacks using 180 grain bullets of any make.
Used the.270 for 40 years. Great cartridge. Got a.280 REM in Browning X bolt Hunter 10 years ago. Love it. But may yet go to the.280 Ackley
My Kimber 84M Montana in 7mm-08 has turned out to be my most used hunting rifle. Deer, bear and 40 pound Catskill mountain coyote all fall to it with one shot. Using Barnes TTSX bullets, I wouldn't hesitate to hunt Elk or Moose with it. My other centerfire rifles have become neglected since I acquired it.
I love the 7mm Rem Mag! Its the first centerfire I got when I started shooting as a teen. I think it provides a great balance of power, flat trajectory and recoil all in on package! There are better cartridges out there but in my opinion few give as good a balance in performance at an economical price or gun selection.
My first high power rifle too..700 rem from wal mart dad bought for Christmas for just over $400 I think round 2000..bout to start customizing it as I’ve wanted too for yrs just never got to it..
7mm rem mag is outstanding on Colorado wide open hunting
Which cartridges are better?
I've owned a Ruger 77 target rifle in the .280 Remington caliber since 1987 and I've always loved the way it shoots. I load/reload my ammo for all my pistol and rifle calibers and I had the barrel replaced on the .280 Rem 8 years ago, the rifle will out-last me.
I wanted to add, the 7mm Mauser in a Spanish Mauser 93, was my first high powered center fired rifle. My first purchase of a modern rifle was a Remington, Model 788, Left handed Bolt Action Rifle, in .308Win. I still own that today. I used that rifle in many a deer hunt. Art
Excellent video Ron! I’ve been shooting a Model 700 in 7mm Remington Mag over 40 years. I feel it’s the best all around cartridge which will effectively take any big game animal in the world. Plus ammo is readily available everywhere at reasonable prices. My new 7mm Rem. Mag. rifle is a Tikka T3X Veil Lite with fluted barrel, fluted bolt and muzzle brake. It is super light and also super accurate! Easy to carry all day in the mountains and deadly at long ranges.
I love my 280 rem in a Remington 700 bdl. I use it for everything I hunt now out to 400 yards. 140 gr accubond nosler trophy will drop deer and antelope pigs and exotics usually where they stand and 160 partition hand load for elk. Never had elk go more than 20 yards with that bullet inside 400 yards.
My first bolt action and the first cartridge I handloaded for was a model 70 chambered in 7mm rem mag. Also had an old tang safety Ruger 77 in 7x57.
I bought my Tang Safety in ‘83 in .308; a few years ago I rebarreled with a custom PacNor polygonal in 260AI. Best fitting rifle of them all for me, and having that safety switch right under your thumb can’t be beat, no reaching or unnatural flip movements, just “click.”
The .284 WInchester was created for the Model 88 lever rifle I think.... and that's a rifle that I wish we could still buy.
Great videos!!! Fan of the 7mm’s. Another factor to consider is recoil and feel the 280 and 280 AI are the best of both worlds in regards to recoil and down range ballistics. Not to far below the 7mm mag with significant less recoil with the same weight projectile. In my opinion, these are two under rated hunting calibers.
Thanks Chris.
One additional advantage of the 280 and 280 AI, that seldom seems to get mentioned, is that along with the good ballistic performance with manageable recoil, you also have increased magazine capacity, particularly over the magnum or short far cartridges. And to a lesser extent, they tend to feed slightly better.
I believe the 7mm Remington was more or less a commercial version of the 7 x 61 Sharpe and Hart.... both on the ,374 H&H case head..... The S&H round was usually combined with the Schultz and Larsen model 65 rifle....a brute strong rear locker .... long time ago... :-)
7mm Mauser is one of my favorites. Probably second in my book to only the 30-06. Love my 06's.
Another good video, Ron. Thanks! :)
I shoot a stutzen 7x57, but if i hunted in the mountains more, a kipplauff in 7x64 or 7x65r would probably be the dream. Short, light and elegant guns.
It's funny once I moved off the 30 cals I went with 7mm08, 7mm rem mag, 28 nos in that order. Loving my 28 nos with a 175 grain accubond its just been brilliant. With a 24" barrel (anda 2-3" long brake) I'm getting 3150 FPS MV. Lastly the 7mm SAUM is a highly overlooked round in my opinion. Another good one Ron!
Mr. Spomer usually gives very balanced views and reviews, and this is another great one. Thanks Mr. Spomer.
The 7x57mm Mauser was a good cartridge at the time and some modern rifles are chambered with that caliber made to handle higher pressure for modern loads. Remington also necked the 7x57mm case down to 6mm when they developed the 6mm Remington in the mid or late 1950s, it was originally called the .244 Remington. I have a Remington 700 hunting rifle in the 6mm Rem and it's a flat shooter.
Thanks for a great video - as always! I own a 7x61 S&H, pushing a 150gr Sierra GK easily above 3000fps. Awesome gun with an even better story - passed on from my grandfather in early 1960's, to my father, and then onto me. Keep up the good videos!
The story makes our rifles what they are..I only have a couple but there worth my life to me..
Where do you get brass for your s&h? I’m building one on a Mauser action with a Douglas barrel. Found dies looking for brass now
Huntington's sportsmans in oroville california
Love the 7x57. By far my favorite cartridge
@John Beige I love the round but have had bad luck in finding a good gun chambered in it. Always have shot out barrels and worn headspace. I'm planning on getting a Rem 700 receiver and building a custom rifle in it
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@@GMdrivingMOPARguy Look into the Swedish Mausers, make an excellent hunting rifle in 7x57 Mauser to this day. Bring your checkbook, while amazingly well built, are a bit pricey.
Thanks!
At one time I owned nine rifles from a 30-30 on up to a 7-mm magnum. My favorite was my 280 Remington. That is one heck of a great rifle with less recoil than the 30-06 or the 308; and of course less recoil than the 7 mm Magnum. The best shot I ever made was with my 270 Browning on a mule deer, creeping up a hill 450 pieces away from me. One shot through the heart. That's because I had my rifle sighted in properly and I got a little bit lucky. That thing went down like Frasier when he fought George Foreman. Lol. Thanks for your input I'll be watching a lot of your videos. I also am looking at the 7 mm '08. as I'm older now I like a shorter rifle with less recoil. Recoil was never an issue with me but when we get older our muscles become smaller and our gut bigger. Haha
I just recently found your Channel. I am a big fan of Jack O'Connor from back in the 50's. I think I still have most of his books and some that were autografted. I like your style and knowledge. You remind me of him. He always seemed to use common sense in the world of hunting and shooting. A great writer. I hope to follow your channel for some time, God willing. Art in California
Great video! Everybody has their favorite and I’ve always been partial to the 7mm family. Either way, Ron’s videos are the best.
Thanks for the vote on confidence, John.
After shooting a hard punching 7rem mag, was looking for similar ballistics in a milder recoil. After talking to a good friend and ACCURATE rifle builder Wayne Chapman, he suggested building me a 280 Remington on a new 270 Winchester he had just sold me.
Mated to a Shilen barrel, the new build can easily group 3 shots in 3/8 in. Great hunting rig! Great info, Ron and always enjoy your hunting stories. Well written and light humor make for great reads! Stay well, and good hunting.
Gotta say, if I wanted a primary whitetail rifle, I think I'd choose the 7mm-08.
That's long been my ideal for an average whitetail rifle.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks Ron, now I feel vindicated. Still, I'm a bear hunter, so .338 Federal for me!
For an all around cartridge where efficientcy and performance is King, I would have a hard time finding a better choice than 7mm-08. It gives up very precious little to my 7mm Rem Mag as a game getter at prudent hunting ranges. I can only think of a hand full of shots I have taken beyond 400 yards in the last 40 years on game animals!
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Ron, I have been attached to the 7x57 since I first began reloading in 1969! As a hunter... HUNTING required sneaking close enough to take advantage of the BC of the projectiles I had loaded. 139 gr or 140 gr has been sufficient for every kill, including elk & antelopes to 300 yards. I have never needed a 2nd shot. I STUCK WITH 7X57 because it stretched my powder farther behind the lighter projectiles. Also, the recoil factor made shooting for several hours way more FUN! My ego never required a larger round. BTW, great video! Thanks so much!
After years of hunting a wide variety big game with various cartridges, Jack O'Connor, Jim Carmichael, and Craig Boddington, all arrived at the same conclusion. The 7X57 is clearly one of the most efficient cartridges ever invented.
Ron, I used to be a three position National Level competitor and the last rifle I used was a nicely built Remington Model 700 in 7-08. This rifle was set up with micrometer rear sights and a tunnel front. Since that style of shooting now allows a shooter to use a detachable box magazine, my rifle was cut to load via a 5 shot stripper clip. It also has a cut away in the rear of the front bridge to accommodate longer bullets.
That was very interesting Ron, thank you for this video. I’m sold of the 280 AI, with the right twist and longish barrel, you can get some darn good performance out of that 06 case. I reload so I can fine tune a powder charge for it. And I think you will agree! Cheers
But still finding 280 ammo ain't nearly as easy as say the tried n true 7mm RM. I have the STW looking to rechamber to something easy to find, and I reload.
If you reload and don’t mind the belted cases, the 7RM is great. But I don’t know if you can rechamber the STW to a 7RM. Isn’t the STW a larger case than the 7RM? You can certainly rebarrel and if you do go with a faster twist rate than the 1:10 or 1:9 factory 7RM barrels to take advantage of the newer, high BC bullets. Then you would be getting close to the same as the new 7PRC which are very limited in supply both in ammo and reloading components. Of course primers are in short supply for everything especially in Canada where I live.
@dougtarbet6193 well I failed to also mention I'd get another barrel chambered in something different, and yes the PRC would be good but it's about as hard to buy for as my STW now. I'm at a 1:9.25 twist now. I'd look to go 1:8 if possible to shoot the longer heavier bullets. That 28 nosler is good, but once again not easy to find.
@@michaelapple2753 28 Nosler is hot in every way, iincluding throat erosion. I hear 800 round and it new barrel time. Now if it’s strictly for hunting it can last a lifetime. But if you like hitting steel at 1000 yards every weekend, well be prepared! Another one I don’t know enough sbout is necking up a 6.5 PRC to 7mm. Heard top F-Class shooters are doing this. I think Gavin on Ulitmate Reloader is doing a build on TH-cam.
My 7X57 chambered in a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight is an awesome package. It shoots hand loads and factory loads with incredible accuracy. I have on more than one occasion shot 4 shot groups from the bench that were covered with a dime ( both handloads and factory ). Ive killed severeal whitetail and each kill were instataneous. I used 140 grain Speers.
I'm jealous!
Thank you for another great and informative video Ron. I have been a 7mm fan for many years. Thank you for your high praise of the 284 Win. I have a 284 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mm STW. Love the 284 Win. To me it is the ultimate all around cartridge.
Thanks Gordon.
That 7mmSTW with a 162gr. A-Max has been a deadly combo for me, regardless whether it's short or long range.
My buddy has an STW chambered around a Borden action. He's running 180 bergers around 3100fps iirc. It is an absolute hammer.
Hi Ron,
A big thanks for making another fine video. Seeing the 7mm title, it piqued my interest. They all work, and it is a good way to pass one’s time as gun cranks with discussion of the merits of cartridge design, historical perspective and influence, and performance characteristics of each. I can tell, based on your previous 7MM Remington Magnum video as a great argument to the most balance and performance in the 7MM spectrum and this video, you are very fond of the round...been shooting one since the mid 70’s myself, and purchased my first in 1980 in a Ruger 77R Tang. I also use and hunt with a semi-custom 7MM RUM at 7 lbs 14 oz all up (no brake) and a .280 A.I. Each cartridge is tailored to the rifle and all have their place in a given rifle platform. If one were to throw all the info into a computer, the 7MM Weatherby just might get the nod for the most performance in initial velocity with manageable recoil to the average shooter in a moderate weight hunting rifle. No doubt, the great denominator in all cartridges is the bullet, as you always point out. Thanks Ron... great job...keep the videos a ‘comin ! Paul in North Central MINNESOTA.
Thank you Paul.
What a fantastic video covering all the 7 mm's! Cartridge line up and data comparison was great. This is a reference guide I'm sure I'll watch again. Thanks, Ron.
My pleasure, PMC. Thank you.
My favorite 7s are the 7x57mm, 7mm/08 and the 280 Rem. I fell in love with the 280 Rem back when it was known as the 7mm. Remington Express.
I have been carrying a 7mm Rem Mag since I was 13. I am 58 now. It has always done what I needed it to do. I also use a 7mm TCU in a T/C Contender which is a fun round to play with and it is good on deer.
Ron!! You keep these videos up and the sky is the limit. I’m not a dummy on ballistics but you always farther my knowledge! Plus, you covered the 7mm08 and I bought one. I love the .270 Winchester and wanted one for years but I have 2 girl’s so I went with the 08 in a Winchester featherweight. I’ll get my .270 though. Thank you for the video’s!
Thanks Rudy.
Picked up a B-14 Bergara in 7mm Rmag. I love it. Very accurate and it looks good.
Thanks Ron I’ve liked all your videos but I think this one has been my favorite. I’ve always had a sweet spot for the .284’s and just recently purchased a fierce edge in .280ai first 3 shot group was a .381” with factory federal 155gr terminal ascents. I love your videos and your ethics you teach. I always hope I can run into you out in the field someday and shake your hand.
Thank you MrMush. Do introduce yourself if you spot me somewhere. Always enjoy meeting fellow hunters/shooters.
I love those 155s in my 7mm08
Where did you find ammo for your .280ai
@@josephadcock4725 funny theres some local to me
@@tylarhaugan7908 what area are you in?
Holy shit. Many people talk about the difference between a rifle and a colt for about 30 minutes, but spending 30 minutes on just one specific calibre is really amazing. That separates the real expert from a "wanna-be". Respect, respect. Eagerly looking forward to watching further videos. After having found this channel now and subscribed, I surely watch more of your videos. They are really enlightening. Thanks for sharing.
I really appreciate you taking the time to talk about the 7mm. Very much enjoyed. I just got a set of 7 STW dies at a good deal. Has anyone checked pressures in a 7x57 with the new rifles, powers and bullets we have? Making new loads would really be flying. Anyway, excellent review. Lived it. Great coverage. Thank you for all you do..
Jeff D
Thank you Jeff
You're an American gem, Ron. Thanks for everything you do.
I think there is a reason there is a silver case in there and rightfully so! 😉 7 rem mag has been a staple in the shooting world for a long time!
I sure do like my rem 7mm mag anyway keep up the great work Ron.
Traditionally, whenever i hear someone mention 7mm they're referring to 7mm Rem Mag. Sort of like calling any kind of soda Coke here in the south :-)
Kleenex?
@@johnturner5893 ???
@@TommyboyGTP when were're looking for a "tissue" we ask for a 'Kleenex" At least here in Canada..That's all. But the same way a 7mm is a 7mm RM, unless specified differently. ..
@@johnturner5893 Yes, i understand now. I've heard that term as well
LOL true that!
My Winchester 94 7 40 Waters is a great rifle/round combination I really enjoy shooting. I've had several 7mms come and gone but that 7mm lever gun will never go.
I picked up 7/30 waters dies the other day in an assortment at auction. Very interested in that caliber now. Also got dies for 280 Remington in that haul... I fear I'm not done paying for that purchase. 😉
I was disappointed that the "280 Ross" did not get a proper nod. It was a full 50 years ahead of most rivals, being introduced in 1906.
My Grandpa had a 280 Ross. The action was a bit different. If I remember it was a straight pull with a rotary bolt. I can't remember every thing about it I haven't seen it in 50 years
My personal favorite out of that list is the 7mm WSM. The 28 is fun (I was pushing 195 Berger EOL’s at 3200 fps out of a 28” barrel), but the 7mm WSM is light recoiling, and I’m pushing 190 Berger’s at a nice mellow 2900 fps (in a 22” barrel) with 15gr less powder than the 195’s in the 28 Nosler. I just wish someone made good brass for the WSM. Sounds like Sherman’s mega brass will be usable for the WSM though!
The 7wsm is an absolutely great cartridge that gets almost no attention.
Been using a 7mm stw for years it's a awesome caliber
Yep 2 of them myself. Great round, long live the Stw!
@@johnnyblade3335 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I've been using my STW for a long time and I think it's a really cool caliber thanks for sharing I was starting to believe that was the only one I had in STW
Have one in in Ruger No.1 love it.
@@HaydenIngram cool mine is also a Ruger #1 I have the grey laminate stock with stainless barrel
I really like 7X57 hand loaded for a M98 action. The 7-08 too.
But you pick your best 7mm, then compare it to the 6.5X55 and step back.
I have custom rifles in both calibers and would hate to have to choose between them.
I'll stay with my 7mm rem mag.
Will kill anything, in North America Black Bear Grizzly Bear Brown Bear Polar Bear, and Moose, recomend that you use 175 grain Nosler Parttion Bullet. Its a BAD BOY.
@Jon Smith Would a 7 mm rem mag loaded with 175 grain nosler parttion Bullets take a large Grizzly Bear.
@@rogerparker3558 It sure as Hell would.
@Jon Smith Thank you Sir, I have herd that it will take any Big Game in North America, and parts of Africa too.
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10 year's ago I wanted to build a custom rifle chambered in something out of the ordinary. I was considering a 7 STW but ended up building a 280 Ackley with a 26 inch barrel. It shoots 1/2" groups and drops elk just like a 7mm Rem Mag would. I absolutely love it! The only problem is..... now I want a 7 STW!
I'd consider the 28 nosler. It's potato/potahto with the STW, but I think that you'll find more rifles and brass available, not to mention the rifles that are chambered for the nosler tend to have a fast twist rate to stabilize the 190gr projectiles for long range work. I had one and sold it; I wanted to get a 7WSM but instead settled on 300WSM because there are not many rifles being chambered in 7WSM anymore. I did some thinking about how I hunt (which was the point of the nosler) and Ive decided that I will not ever shoot beyond 500Yds at game; therefore the nosler and WSM really make no difference in any practical sense.
Other considerations aside, even if you want to build a custom rifle, things are much more available for 30/06 length action. custom actions, stocks, etc on a long action are more likely to be on the shelf with shorter lead times. That said, if you're building a custom rifle, make sure you actually like it...
I have a Ruger #1 in 7mm STW. 140 GRAIN BARNES TTSX. 3475 fps. Muzzle brake, trigger job and floated the barrel.
Love my 7 saum
I got 1500 plus shots through my old M77 Ruger in 7mm Remington Magnum before it was worn out. My load was IMR 4350 and 160 grain bullet.
Did you let your barrel cool-to-touch between shots?
I do enjoy the 7mm08 and 7mm remington magnum. Very easy to shoot. Will do anything that needs doing. Montana rifle company 7mm08 and a custom super grade 7 mag.
Another great summary Ron👍 I am a big Ackley fan in the Kimber Montana. 🤠, my 7mag is also amazing
Thanks David.
I remember when Kimber made rifles...
284 Winchester, 7mm Remington magnum and the 7mm ultra mag. My favorite.
I have a .284 and it will eventually be rebarreled 7 Mauser. .284 is good except it's an in between round for american 2.8 and 3.3" standard actions, and I have an arisaka that feeds mausers and has a 3" mag box.
7x57
I love the combination of these two cartridges: 7mm-08 Rem & 7mm Rem Mag.
So do I, that would be the .280 Rem.
@@shobudski6776 that's not what I meant. I like having both those options for different scenarios.
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Love 7mm08 with 160 swift aframe
A Contender Carbine in 7-30 Waters is a very nice combination. And in a single shot you can use spitzers.
.30-30 Win ballistics. Good shot placement, works fine.
I've got a Ruger model 77 in the 7 mm magnum... 24 inch barrel. Wood stock. I don't think it kicks anymore than my 3006..... I've tryed two rifles with the senthetic stocks .. not for me.... The wood stocks help with recoil greatly in my app. Thanks
GREAT video, Ron, especially for 7mm fans like me. Yeah, the 7BR is great for handguns like my Wichita bolt hand gun. The 7-30 Waters was, I think, developed for the T/C Contender pistol to get that 7mm bullet on the 30-30 case. A great lever action gun that is soft as a BB gun but also a great handgun cartridge.
Ken Waters designed the cartridge and was originally chambered in the Winchester 94 circa 1976, that's why all the factory ammo has had blunt nosed bullets, so it would be safe in tube magazines. The shoulder was also pushed to slightly greater angle so keep people from chambering them in 30-30 rifles. But yeah, lots of TC barrels out there. I had one in the 90s and it was a fun, powerful round out of a 14" barreled pistol for sure!
Goes in the deer .284 wide comes out big enough for 2 1/2 fingers wide every time. Love my little 7mm-08 the 140 sp. on deer is super. I’m wondering where there are deer left though if the cover let’s you see 400yds+. Most places I’ve hunted you’re lucky or not to see 150/200.My first was at about 40yds.
Love the big sevens , favorite load is 120 grain tsx at 3300 it really shoots flat and hits with plenty of power way past most shooters range
Thank you for using point blank range in it's proper definition jeff
7-08 all day long, or in a vintage rifle the marvelous 7x57.
Looking to get my first bolt action hunting rifle. Liking the 7-08. Live in Cali for deer and boar 🐗. (Edit for spelling) Good cartridge? Im new to all this.
Yes!!
ABSOLUTELY, BUT I JUST ACQUIERED A .284 WINCHESTER CUSTOM BUILT REMINGTON 700 USED, I AM HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS NOW ABOUT THE 7MM-08 AND THE 7×57 MAUSER!!🤷♂️
@@Plainsimple67 never owned a 284, but if you can get the brass and reload to dial in the velocity so you don't blow up the game inside a hundred yards ( or maybe select a heavier slower bullet for all ranges) you have an interesting and viable cartridge if the barrel is not too worn from sizzling loads. with that 700 action, shouldn't be hard to fit a new barrel if that one has been shot out. sounds like a beauty!
@@gregorywalker4997 I THINK WHOEVER OWNED IT, HAD IT CUSTOM MADE AND WENT ON A FEW HUNTS AND THAT'S IT!!, CAME WITH A VX 3 LEOPOLD ON IT AS WELL. IF I HAVE TO HAVE IT MADE TODAY IT WILL BE AROUND $2 TO 3K MINIMUM!!
I HAD A LOT OF .284 BRASS FROM THE PAST THAT I USED TO OPEN THE NECKS UP TO FIRE OUT OF MY K-31 SWISS RIFLES WHEN 7.5X55 BRASS WASN'T AVAILABLE, THAT WAS ANOTHER MOTIVATION BEHIND BUYING IT, OTHER THEN THEY GAVE IT AWAY TO ME FOR $500.00 OUT THE DOOR!!
YOU CAN ALWAYS PLAY WITH LOADS ABD BULLET TYPES BASED ON THE HUNT YOU ARE GOING TO.
Love my 7-08 great light weight rifle ,mine is a Tikka and shoots great . 120 gr for coyote , etc. and 139 for deer .
How about the 7mm Sharps and Heart? Until recently it was the #1 custom build cartridge in North America.
Ron, your stories are so interesting and informative. Thanks! I have wanted a Remington Rolling Block rifle for years and years, but I didn't really want one in a black-powder cartridge. I bid on one in 7mm Spanish Mauser, and won the auction. I learned that the best way to get the correct brass for one of them is to neck down .30-'06 brass, and trim it until the breach block just closes. It looks like I'll be hand loading gas-checked lead bullets for this one.
Another great video Ron! I don't know if you've done this one yet, but it would be fun to take a look at the '06 family of cartridges. Instead of focusing on the same caliber bullets to instead focus on the different ways the 30-06 case has been used over the years.
This topic has been on our to-do list for some time, James. Stay tuned and thanks for thinking of it.
I have a 7mm BR encore it's a reloader cartridge I use Winchester 748 powder compress loads and it's a tak driver and I use it fir whitetail deer and shoot groundhogs but like you say very hard to find brass or ammo but since I reload that is my kid's favorite hunting rifle my 12 year old daughter really likes shooting it my 14 year old son likes 308 encore that's why I like the encore variety of calibers my personal opinion that is why we live in America 🇺🇸GOD BLESS
I am still very happy with my 280 Remington..... questions for you Mr Spomer: how much pressure can the 280 Rem take?? . ... and still be safe
It is rated for 60,000 psi by SAAMI. Most modern rifles and cartridges can withstand way more pressure than they're rated for, but this is to keep people's fingers, eyes, faces, and hands intact. I know gun makers who have pressure tested their rifles with double loads taking pressures to 120,000 psi without blowing up their rifles. Don't do anything like this! Stick with SAAMI specs.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors thank you sir! I do like my fingers intact, so no i won't do anything unwise....
I've been shooting the 30-06 for 54 years. I have a muzzle brake on my FN Herstal Mauser 98 30-06 which I have with a free floated barrel in an Archangel stock. I love this stock with this gun. Give me the 30-06 every time, every day. Thanks, great video!
The best 7mm is the one I can get ammo for.😉
In other words, none of them? :)
Amen
The 7mm wsm I always see.....only 7mm I see in stores for ammo is then wsm
7x64 is probably the only one you could find right now, mainly because the European manufacturers (Sellier & Bellot, Prvi Partizan) are producing stock normally (as opposed to US manufacturers who are shifting production to premium lines to exploit the current shortage).
Just bought a new Weatherby Weathermark 7 mm wby Magnum and haven't been able to find ammo anywhere for it!
This by far the most informative video I’ve seen on 7MMs. The 7mm-08 is more than enough for I hunt. Thank you.
You're welcome, Luis. Thank you.
7mm Remington mag is always served me well
educational vs entertainment. this channel ranks very high in educational, which is lacking on YT. new subscriber.