Best Cartridge for Hunting Each Animal with Ron Spomer
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You wrote on your site not to anneal because there is no accuracy gain and your brass doesnt last as long. I disagree. I have some cases with 20-30 reloading's due to good annealing. Annealing keeps neck tension way more accurate seating bullets. Annealing stops necks from splitting.
@@jonlennon3348 - If I wrote that annealing made brass NOT last as long, that was certainly a mistake. Where did you read that? The only purpose of annealing is TO make the brass last longer. I do stand by the thought that annealing doesn't have an impact on accuracy--at least from what I've seen, and that's also supported by many others who have tested it.
You are talking to a benchrester. It does make a difference as you seat bullets you can feel the difference but you have to use a pound force gage as you seat so you can sort them by seating pressure. Now did I read your writings wrong,I may have but I do resect what you do just trying to spread knowledge from my end.@@backfire
I can't believe Ron was on your Canadian Communist informercial channel 🤷🏽♂️
@@nunzionapoli6325What are you talking about? Is BF against certain firearms?
I love the fact Ron is not afraid of new tech but still loves and appreciates the old stuff.
He's being politically, I mean ballistically correct.
@@TheNutzandBoltz Stop triggering me!
LOL, We aren't comparing phasers to slingshots here. Still a bullet and gunpowder.
The collab I’ve always wanted.
I would love to see a collab with Paul Harrell. That would be hilarious.
There’s a great long interview with Jim on Ron’s podcast!!
That was awesome..!!! Thanks Ron.. Thanks Jim..!!!
Came here to say exactly that.
No kidding lol so cool
Ron is an absolute legend!!! I talked to him at the whitetail & spring turkey spectacular show here in MI years ago when I just started reloading for my 7mm REM Mag and was having trouble getting anything to shoot well out of it. Ron turned me on to tha Barnes TTSX and that was the ticket. Since then I’ve harvested antelope, deer, bear, elk and moose all with a 140 grain round! THANKS RON!!!!
Thanks a great story!
I'm with Ron on the 25-06. Such a great and underrated round when it was created!
I'm a romantic, so I'm partial to the .257 Roberts. Still firmly appreciative of the quarter-bore though! Highly underrated these days
If I was just gonna hunt deer and antelope, the occasional yote and that once in a lifetime mountain goat tag, it would be the 25-06.
My father just told me about this! Didn't even know it existed
if you have ammo for years
2506 invented in the 1920s , legitimized by Remington in 1969 and only now getting fast twist barrels & high bc bullets ??? Talk about neglected !! The newbies today haven't heard of it & for hunting varmints and big game up to mule 🦌 it's more versatile than the 6.5 !! Had one since 1973 & no regrets! I'm a long time reloader so great ammo is readily available !
Two of my favorite channels in one spot! Subscribed to both for a long time.
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My dad lived in Alaska for years and in different places. He told me the Inuit natives loved .243 for Caribou.
243 is great
Seen a lot of 243 or 30-06 for Caribou in Alaska. More about ammo availability than any other factor. Villages are isolated and shipments are few and far between. Neither cartridge breaks the bank also.
You have the Legend Ron Spomer on the channel this is incredible. The knowledge this man has is incredible!!! Just when I thought your channel couldn’t get any better lol
Ok Jimmy boy, when we meet in Monticello in March before pd season closes I’ll bring my savage 17hmr Thumbhole semi auto along with the Volquartsen semi 17wsm. 350 yards/450 yards respectively for those and the abolt 204 good out to 700+ yards. All are dependent on wind of course. If we miss March we’ll have to move to July which is ok as well. And just to show you my heart is in the right place I’ll meet you at Powell in May for a couple days chasing bass. Of course…that single SIL may need to be invited…😅
Great show. I have known Jimmy since he was a young teenager. My wife told I can’t call him Jimmy anymore. He is a real and sincere guy. He is like he seams. I remember his first gun purchase. He got his mom to buy one for each member of the family. Good job Jimmy.
You can ALWAYS call me Jimmy 😊
My wife used a 6.8 western on an elk this year. It did its job very efficiently. She used the 165 Accubond.
I missed a few animals, so I texted Ron for an update 😀 284 Win. Or 280 AI for sheep, any 7mm mag for moose and plains game, but 300 WSM also excellent. Anything 243 win or larger for cougar.
300 Win Mag is also a solid choice for sheep. And .243 Win is ideal not only for cougar, but also white tail (fixes the trajectory issue of heavier lever gun bullets).
6.5 creed
Thanks!
300 WSM is my all around one gun. Lightweight mountain rifle setup with a brake; handles beautifully. I just recently moved from factory ammo (180 Norma BondStrike) to start handloading. I can go up or down for species as needed.
Did you cover brown bear?
270 does ALL of them, and very well at that. Good enough for Jack, then it's good enough for me. Guarantee that Ron will agree...
I'm a 270 guy myself and I'm not afraid to use it on anything. The only issue is getting within a range for it to be effective. Such as elk. Probably want to be under 300 yards, and for me, 200 yards is preferable. But to know the limitations of the caliber and bullet choice is key.
@maddawgnoll so you feel comfortable in Alaska with your 270, probly a 140 grain bullet?
@@concreteandgrading ya sure. Why not? Might use 150 gr. But my gun shoots best with the 130 SST. I do have a 44 mag that would be on me
@@concreteandgrading it's not the ideal choice, I get it. But it's capable. It's my go to hunting caliber and I'm very confident with it and my Tikka
I agree. I am a comfortable guy at 300yds. I use a .308 because until the kids are gone and I move out of town I don't shoot enough to trust myself farther. Knowing what your limitations are is far more important than the gun. I sincerely believe the average shooter owns a gun way more capable than they ever will be and I don't care what the cartridge is, people just listen to these guys and say well I can do that. In fact they cant because these guys shoot more in a week than most people do in a year. I am not saying there are not really good shooters out there they just tend to be rare. @@maddawgnoll
I have grown to appreciate both of these guys so much. Ron is a living legend! Also happy to have VonBenedikt making appearances on RSO these days. We are witnessing greatness guys!
Ron is so knowledgeable yet so humble. Very much appreciate you sir!
Yes he hates the 308 win
@@titomish5914I came here to say "except he unabashedly hates on the 308"
Why would anyone care if he likes, or dislikes, any cartridge?
@@lrac7751 no one does or are we saying we care??
@@titomish5914 It seemed to me like you cared about what cartridge he dislikes
Love seeing your content young man. Hope your parents are good.
Now about Ron, you just can not fake wisdom. He is one that stands out among all the great outdoorsman. I watch you both every time you put out shows.
Once a soldier
Always a soldier
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Appreciate the allusion to the native people in Alaska, i'm much more familiar with the Inuk from Nunavut, worked up there couple years and made many good friends up there! They're amazing hunters, truly have a 6th sense for hunting, but same thing on the east side of the ice rink, .223, .308 is what they all use. Their general rule of thumb is .223 for everything Caribou and smaller, .308 for everything above, that including Muskox, Polar Bear and large sea mammals like Beluga, Narwal and Seals, very impressive especially considering the thickness of the skin and blubber of sea mammals.
Great content as usual, loving these uploads with Ron, cheers from Northern Quebec!
Yeah, doesn't seem to matter really,at least within a certain threshold. Shot placement is key.
Absolutely loved this video. Jim Harmer and Ton Spomer together, discussing their favorite cartridges for specific animals. Doesn't get any better.
I admit that I am addicted - I watch Ron Spomer Outdoors, Backfire and WhoTeeWho every single day for new content. All supremely knowledgeable and presentations are not preachy or criticizing. Thank you Jim, Ron and Adam!
Fantastic interview. I was surprised there was no mention of .300 Win Mag or 6.5x55 Swede
Ron Sooner and Jim Harmer my two favorite You Tube hosts on the same video. It doesn’t get any better!
It's nice to see the 6.8 western getting some love! Content creators don't talk about this caliber nearly enough. 👍🏼
The 6.8 Western cartridge is truly a silly idea, so I'm not surprised it died. Browning/Winchester are the same company and no other company wanted to support it. Pretty much died before the first rifle hit the market. Laughable!
@@yooper7753 your a silly idea
@yooper7753 for the record barnes is looking at producing ammo for this cartridge and Christensen builds rifles in 6.8 now as do a few other smaller brands
@@Stewart7516 WOW you're original. 👏
@@Stewart7516 It won't matter. Too little, too late.
I do feel bad for the regular consumer tricked into buying a 6.8 Western firearm.
Way cool to see you and Mr. Spomer together. Your influence and contacts are growing fast!
On a side note, I saw you at Al’s last week and was going to say hello and let you know I really enjoy what you do but you were with your family and I didn’t want to interrupt family time! Thanks for the great content.
Ron and Jim - I went on my first Antelope hunt a couple weeks ago and took a 6.5 creedmoor. Used the 143gr eldx. Double-lung and complete pass through at 260 yards
I has a pass through on an antelope buck with a 123 grain SST from my 6.5 Grendel a couple weeks ago . Dropped him quick !
loved Ron's picks for game... especially the 17 HMR
Allright 6.8 western for the win
Thanks to both of you. This is one of my favorite topics. Played this game with my oldest son when he took me on a Colorado mule deer hunt. What a great time. Jim, I haven’t shot a caribou either. Want to go?
Thanks for sharing.
Whenever my all-around favorite, the .358 Winchester, gets mentioned, I'm happy. Great list!
I love these kind of discussions, super fun to think about. Thanks guys for the great content.
300 win mag will pretty much do it all for me.
Thank you so much for the 7mm mag comments. I’ve used a Winchester in that caliber since the late 70s for mule deer and elk here in Utah and have never wanted anything else with me.
When I had my custom rifle built, I switched from 7 rem mag to a 7SAUM with a longer throat over a 7PRC. So far I’ve been pleased 22in barrel getting 2830 out of it with a 180 Berger hybrid.
Same here, good choice
Great discussion!!! Truly hard to beat for 2 reasons the 30-06’. 1st easily obtained factory ammo loaded from 120gr to 220gr with every type of bullets available. 2nd this ammo is in every big, little, out of the way Mom and Pop store basically around the world. It’s not the sexy choice and the newest latest greatest fanciest cartridge out there it just works on everything everywhere.
In most of Sub Saharan Africa it's more often than not the only caliber you can find.
Way better options now days over dated 3006. 300 prc 7 prc 65 prc
@@lukeclement1310 Can you walk into any backwoods general store and find 300 PRC?
@@nucleargrizzly1776I can’t find 300 prc at any gun shop in a city of 250,000 people.
@@taphillips75 That's why now I stay clear of calibers that haven't been popular for a decade or so. Got 9x23 Winchester and 6x25 Dillon barrels for Glocks and 1911s that are pretty much useless.
I grew up in southwest Colorado and had two rifles, a 30-30 and a 30-06. What I carried depended on WHERE I was hunting versus what I was hunted. When I was hunting in the brush country I carried my 30-30. All shots were close and with the brush you had to be fast. All other times I carried my 30-06. I've taken deer, bear and elk with the '06 and deer with the 30-30. In the brush I never saw an elk and the bear was gone before I realized it was there.
I just took two whitetail bucks with 450 Bushmaster using Federal 300 gr in southern Michigan’s no rifle zone. One was at 30 yards the other at 160. The results were impressive.
Is there anything better than watching Ron Spomer and Jim Harmer on the same YT video? That was exceptionally entertaining and informative!
I love the cartridge discussions. Great video. Ron Spomer is a fountain of knowledge.
The Cougar, a good bottle of wine works nicely.
2 of my favorite gun-tubers together. A great collaboration with an interesting topic! Doesn't get better than this! 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Big ol smile on your face talking to Ron 😂
Deer ..THE 270 WINCHESTER!
This is awesome, I have learned more about hunting, shooting and guns from the two of you than I have anywhere else on the internet combined, it really made my day when I hopped on and saw this on my feed!
Watch you two all the time thanks for sharing all of you're videos with us!!
Being a 7mag owner and just now getting into distance a 7PRC looks very attractive to me. Something about lomg range is so fun even if it is just plinking 😊
I'm not far ahead of you. Long time 7RemMag owner. Now have two 7PRCs and 2 on the way. Whatever you do, build it. Don't buy factory made UNLESS the builder uses the Alex Wheeler improved reamer which is better than the original SAAMI spec reamer. The SAAMI spec reamers for 7PRC, 6.5PRC, 300PRC create chambers that get to pressure too soon, you get clickers, etc.
The recoil isn't worth the benefits, IMO.
@@waynemensen4252 can put a brake on it. I don't find the recoil to be bad. May be on par with a 30-06 with a 165 bullet. But, both of my 7PRCs do have larger contour barrels. One is a Brux #5, the other is a Hart #6
@@derekmcmurry4263 you carry that chasing elk? What do they weigh?
@@waynemensen4252 Not yet but I would if it came down to it. I've hunted CO and WY and AZ with 9 pound rifles. Not ideal but I manage. I pack light otherwise so total hunting pack wt doable. They are not light wt by any means. I've not weighed them. What I had in mind for the 2 I have is hunting over the long bean and corn fields where I hunt down south from a blind. Can easily shoot 800 yards. The additional 7PRCs coming are more for CO, WY, UT hunting in the mountains. These will be on a Terminus Zeus QC action with a Brux #3 and the others will mate to the same action but with a Benchmark #3. I have a K&P #4 on the way and Ordering another Brux #2 soon
Awesome and informative. Two great hunters having a talk.
Also, in a video no longer available here, I saw Ron Spomer take an Elk with a Mossberg Patriot 7 mm Rem Mag.
A colleague of mine took an Aoudad Sheep with his .300 Win Mag. It turned and charged at him. By the time he got a second round chambered, the beast dropped. He ran 30 yards on that last heartbeat.
Very awesome vid. So much knowledge and experience with Ron!
Very interesting. I've always stuck to my 30/06 for everything bigger than a coyote but it is definitely a heavy rifle, and can cause to much damage. I've learned a lot from this video
Awesome seeing two of my favorites in hunting related shooting videos collaborating!
What a great conversation! Thank you, sirs.
WDM Bell killed everything in Africa with the 7x57 and 6.5 mm Manlicher FMJ ammo. He did not know that he needed a different cartridge for each game animal species.
I doubt any of us can match Bell. His skill, cajones, or luck. He was a unique man
And he used plain old military FMJ ammo. He knew game anatomy and the limits of his rifle. He was not subject to the guns and ammo propaganda which tries to sell new rifles and ammo.
Fun video. I like them all mentioned. While Im not a die hard "25" shooter.... it like the 270, does a lot!
Most any 30 caliber will do the job.
I see very little difference between a 280, and a 280 improved. So my pick in the 7mm.... is a standard 280.
If I want a compact rifle, then I'd lean towards a 7mm-08
Funny though.... I hunt with 6.5s, 358s, and 30 calibers anymore...
But I still agree with whatever you like to hunt with.
Its more about the rifle, than the calibers.
I could could honestly listen to this all day. Thank you for putting this together!
Always enjoy Spomer videos, excellent collab
Great video! Love both your guy's channels
Amazing interview Jim!!
R Spomer...Living Legend
That was fun! Thanks Jim and Ron!
Two of my favourite guys on at the same time! Thanks for a great video
Appreciate you both! I’m anticipating the whitetail deer round
Really enjoyed this vlog. both of you did a great job.
One of your best guest videos EVER!! Well done Jim!! WELL DONE!!
Thank you for finally making a video I could watch all the way through.
good vid. As for caribou, when I was in my poor youth I shot a boo at 350yds with my 30-30. Yes, he ran 1/2 mile before he dropped and I'd never do that again. Was hunting in the Aleutian Islands where all shots are long range. My partner that day shot one from same herd as me with a 7mm Rem Mag and his dropped like a rock. I learned a lot that day.
This episode is everything I’ve always needed.
Wow I totally agree with Ron about the best elk and mule deer cartridges. I think the reason your beloved 6.8 Western fizzled is 2-fold: The name doesn’t resonate with many people and they associate it more with a 6.5mm. And the .277 caliber itself leaves much to be desired in component selection. If they had made it the 7mm Western it probably would have done better.
The 6.8 Western cartridge is truly a silly idea, so I'm not surprised it died. Browning/Winchester are the same company and no other company wanted to support it. Pretty much died before the first rifle hit the market. Laughable!
Calling it 7mm Western wouldn't work, since the 7mm (STW) Shooting Times Westerner has been on the books for decades.
Or it might have done better marketing-wise if they had stuck the PRC label on it - like 6.8 PRC or .270 PRC.
30 Western
@@Cjtarinelli PRC name belongs to Hornady.
Ron is the man! the 6.8 western had it's match but gun maker/ammo mfg did not like it. The 270 WSM. the barrel twist is better in the 6.8 for heaver bullets, but the 270 WSM with barnes bullet was a charm for me. I understand their was a patten rights dispute and ultimately killed off the 270 wsm. the 280ai is a great round but I think the 7 prc has smoked it now! great work Jim!
Exactly I have a 270wsm cannot find ammo anywhere the
I just bought a 7mmprc excited about it
Great video Jim! Didn’t know you were in St. George. Going to be staying in St. George for a week in December with the family. Looking forward to seeing your part of the country! 👍
Love the collaboration between you two all stars. And Ron been there and done that on so many hunts he's living the dream!
I don’t even hunt but I love these videos. Would love to learn but it seems like it really helps to know someone who knows what he is doing.
That was a great show & great idea having Mr. Ron pick favorite cartridges.
Eastern North Carolina Black Bears routinely run over 400 pounds. In the western part of the state, they are more often 250 pounds. .30-30 or .35 Remington are pretty good in the mountains, down east you want something more like a 7mm magnum or a .30-06.
R.S. and 'Ol Backfire !! Great combo ! Great information ! I can reference you guys' channels and be well informed ! Merry Christmas 🌲 🙏
What a great idea for a video! We are really enjoying your content.
This is just a good conversation. Well done
Awesome interview… I enjoyed every minute of it…
When I first got back into hunting- shooting, the WSM cartridges were very popular. Now they seem to have almost disappeared. That's always the risk of something new. Even if they are an excellent cartridge it doesn't mean that they are going to make it in the long run. Rifles chambered in the older tried and true cartridges on the other hand have the advantage of existing already in the hundreds of thousands, so even if they're popularity dips for a bit they have the numbers to ride out the waves of newbies.
Exactly.... and the people who got those rifles cannot find ammo at all.. super expensive if they do. The wsssm, and rsaum especially. Better stick with the classics in my view
Great video topic and conversation!
308 for everything they talked about. There’s so many options and so many different rifles made in 308. It’s a tried and true caliber that has earned its place for a reason.
Yup, for those of us who can afford 1 rifle it is the one to have!
Well this isn't about if it's good for an animal, it's about the exact perfect match for a certain animal
@@wokedog1799 I understand but not a single pick for the .308?!!! Booooo 😄
@brandonbrown6544 as stated above, .308 is a damn fine generalist round, you can make it do anything you can think of, but it is beaten out in some way in every category by other cartridges that exist. This is also the personal opinion of both of these guys
308 is a damn fine cartridge. but if i had to pick a rifle that i could only have one and hunt every species on this list it would probably be something with a little more zip. such as 7 rem mag. and thats only because i hate to say that the 30-06 is more versatile than the 308.
Love the collaboration, Ron is always a treat👍🏼
My Dad is my hero, Ron Spomer is second place! Great, interesting and informative segment. Thank you Jim!
Ron has a plethora of knowledge. It's fun to debate the cartridge for each species. All of them work great as shot placement is king. I use the 300 WM for everything except varmints.Not that it's superior but I know how it shoots with my hand loads. A 180gr at 3000fps is devastating on everything and I know the drops out to 500 yards.. That's the most important factor.
You guys work really well together
Good one: Calculus (hates versatility of .308) + this is the best rifle ever, except (3-weeks later) there's negative issues I haven't mentioned that everyone needs to know about. Great video!
Ron is a legend. Love his insights on calibers and rifles.
Great collaboration guys much respect for the opinions
This is one of your best shows. Good stuff
I really like Ron and his knowledge is insane and I learn so much from him. But, I do feel when he talks about cartridges he often speaks on very uncommon and not readily available. I feel as if an avid hunter you cannot relate to this when most of your bullets are bought off the shelf. That being said, I’m sure these cartridges are great. But I feel like other than pronghorn and others. A .270/.308/ 30-06 can be used for all these animals, as opposed to these random cartridges the common man never seen or even heard of
This video is AWESOME!! Best duo!!
Great Info Ron and Jim
Fantastic Jim and Ron!
Great video today Jim thanks
What a great show! I've seen a few of your videos - but this one cinched my subscription to your channel. One caliber not even discussed -- 45/70 is my all-time fav for Black Bear hunting in tight quarters in Manitoba. Great dialogue!
These domestic hunting seasons are extremely abbreviated and season are short. Im poor and have to be practical so its 270win, 308win, and 30-06. Its all about logistics and economy for me. Available factory ammo and components. Pick one and go forth. Instead of buying rifles and junk a good pair of footwear and good optics are better investments.
Great contributors, thanks guys.
Very interesting and fun video! Thanks for posting
That was fun and informative... Thank you.
My dad hunts with fail safe bullets to this day in 7mm mag. Loves em
Great team up!
My two favorite hunting guys. Awesome!!! Do it again.
Caribou go down fairly easy, 270, 6.5 cm, and 7m-08 all work great, but unless you’re hunting them in the winter, you need something for grizzly bears as well. That is why the 300 wm is about the smallest most people use. The 338 wm it what most use. The biggest issue with the 338 in Alaska is finding ammo for it.