Why Don't Atheists Make Fun Of Satanists?
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Like the old joke
Q: _What do you call a person who believes in Satan?_
A: _A Christian_
It’s funny because it’s true
No one worships Satan as much as christians. He's barely in the Bible. Christians ascribe powers to him that are far beyond anything the Bible says.
What? That’s the stupidest thing ever 😂
Tick - you missed an easy one. A great reason why Atheists focus on Christianity (especially on the US) is because of its strong influence over politics. The average random spiritualist isn't writing bills into law
There are a lot of covert atheists in the Church of Satan. It can be difficult to protect your religious freedoms in court when you don't follow a religion with doctrines.
Gott mit uns
True but America is a Christian nation and the west is built on judeo Christian values. Apparently majority of western atheists have a hard time understanding that
The most fascinating aspect of Mr. "former atheist," is that he seems to have absolutely no understanding of atheism.
I don't believe a god exists, nor do I belive in "former atheists".
From my experience of watching people who proclaimed to be "former atheists", they are always conflating being a non-practicing Christian with an actual atheist.
Or Witchcraft.
I always wanna ask ex-atheists what was the evidence they discovered that proved g0d existed, since true Atheism is just lacking the evidence that a deity exists.
@@australianandrew128 it isn't necessarily the case that a theist must take the affirmative or positive position that God does exist, but only that they believe that it does exist. In fact, one can even identify as an "agnostic theist", which is the position that "it isn't inherently knowable but I nonetheless believe it." Belief, afterall, doesn't require knowledge.
Don't Satanists believe in eating a zombies flesh and drinking his blood. Also, having a ghost live inside them?
🤦🏼♀️ Darn! I am thinking of Catholics! 😉
:-)
Don't forget impregnation from ghosts causing birth of divine beings.
Also that rain comes down through windows in the solid dome that prevents the water in space from mixing with the water on earth
I've little doubt this guy thinks catholics are satanists.
Vey possible.
I don't say anything to Satanists because they don't try to change laws or try to convert me to Satanism.
Exactly! Satanists are wholesome people.
Or fly planes into towers, or bomb abortion clinics, or interfere with stem cell research, or demand that their beliefs are represented in public schools, or push for printed currency that reads "In Satan we trust", or national days of prayer, etc.
In fairness, they'll sometimes try to change laws. To fix what the Christians did.
@Ben Avery Perfection!
@Ben Avery Imagine if hell existed. You'll have to do ypur best to out drink satan lol. Like that one game. After Party
Dahmer was a Christian! He was "saved" in prison. Yep he's in heaven, now.
According to Kat Kerr, he gets all his favorite foods there.
Perfect justice ❤️ 💙 💜 💖
Would it piss you off at all to jump through all the hoops, get to Heaven and find out Jeffery D is living in the mansion next door?
@@rickn8or I might worry about his menu.
🤣😂😂
Ah, the cartheist is back. One reason that atheist creators aren't actively criticizing satanists/witches/pagans etc and such is that these people aren't the ones trying to cram their beliefs down our throats.
I don't understand how Christians in America can feel so "under attack" right now. They're the ones attacking everyone else's rights, to, well, almost everything!
I actually knew quite a few Wiccans in my adult life, and they've never ever shoved their beliefs down anyone's throats. In fact, I would only find out about them being Wiccan when I asked about a pentagram or gem they'd be wearing. What they believe is also much less egregious. Literally, most Wiccans believe in pagan ideals like energies, good and bad spirits, and luck. While I don't buy any of that, it's much less frustrating to hear that over "BELIEVE ME OR YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, BITCH!".
I have also met some pagans one told me they are told NOT to try and convert people.
Does a Satanist say if you don't believe in the horny one you go to heaven?
Lol I just pictured a Wiccan screaming believe me or you’re going to hell bitch and it made me spit out my juice
I don't want to ritual with people who don't want to be there. It's that simple. I have no clue why Christian churches try to force convert people. That never truly works out.
I don't dislike some religious people for who they are ~
I dislike them for who they pretend to be.
i dislike them for hating others for who they are
@@michaelstaton1999 That too, good point!
Never in my life has a Satanist knocked on my front door on a Saturday morning to share his love of Satan with me. Telling someone to keep their religion to themselves is not the same as persecution. I never met a Christian who did not think they were a martyr.
Christians used to be fed to lions and such, before they adopted torture and murder themselves as a means to "convert" people. Now they think people not wanting them to shove their religion in their faces is persecution.
You have to be dead to be a martyr. Being that you talk to dead people you must be a Satanist already
Exactly! Unless someone asks me or comes to my home, we don't talk about it. I am a Theistic Satanist so I do worship. I am all about everyone being an individual and going about life in harmony with nature. Not much to fight with me over !
Every time a chrimspian says atheists hate god, they prove they have absolutely no concept of atheism that even comes close to understanding
As an atheist I have done things in my life that I regret or feel shame over. I believe everyone has. I don't reject the claims of a God so I can "live without shame"; that's idiotic. In my youth I could just go to mass, say I was sorry, and poof- it's like it never happened. No shame, no regret, just holy magical absolution. So who's really running from their shame? The man who lives with it and tries to do better in the future, or the man who needs his righteous God to continually wipe his slate clean for him?
@Captain Kelley
Solid point!
Along those lines, in this video Jeffrey Dahmer is quoted.
So, there you go he finally is caught and jailed. While there he apparently 'got saved'. So, according to some messed up 'sacred text' Jeffrey goes to heaven MEANWHILE.... UNbelievers by the billions are going to hell many of which have never killed anyone!
@@JohnWaaland Well that's the ugly truth of the whole thing: morality has nothing to do with it. You don't go to Hell for being 'evil'- you go to Hell for not believing the story. Which, if I were going to make up a story to control those around me, is something I would definitely include.
@@captainkelley2339 Ha ha, look at you trying to use wisdom and logic against the Christian argument. You might try pushing diarrhea uphill with a toothpick instead. I mean I agree with you, but make any sort of rational argument against some idiot praising God for the actions someone else took and they'll reply with regurgitation. I did it recently when someone did just that when Ukraine took out a large number of invading Russians. I piped in with "What about praise for the commanders and soldiers who actually did this hard thing' and they responded with how I should stop attacking Christians and wondered why I hated God as I clearly didn't believe
I only feel shame over things where "I should have known better" - in situations where I make a genuine mistake, or misunderstand something, or make a poor judgement call, I just accept that I was limited in my understanding of the world, and strive to do better. When I do something I know to be wrong, or know is a stupid thing to do, I feel shame.
Naturally, knowing something is wrong or stupid, tends to prevent a person from actually doing it, so I very rarely feel shame. Mostly it's just embarrassing blunders and stupid things I said in High School, while under the influence of teenage hormones.
@@captainkelley2339 You end up in hell due to your sins NOT for NOT believing (trusting) the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
Believing (trusting) the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is what washes the sins clean from your immortal soul.
"Abortion" is choosing not to carry a pregnancy to term.
"Adoption" is choosing whether or not to parent a child.
They are NOT the same thing and only a badly confused person would think the two topics are similar.
This, a woman who is pregnant in 99% cases agreed to it
@@eeroraute281 Agreed to sex or agreed to pregnancy? They aren't the same thing... you do get that, right?
Tbf I've never had a satanist or pagan try to proselytize to me or tell me im going to suffer in the afterlife because I don't believe in their faith nor try to exclusively push their agenda in schools or politics
Just not how we roll. I'm sure there's afew among our numbers that act that way, there's always someone after all but they certainly don't represent us
I know Sir Sic is guided by "spirits," and by "spirits" we mean whiskey.
You mean Martymer81's "popcorn", surely.
Spirits are drawn to those who are handsome, famous, and good at the sex.
I wish I could like these comments more than once
loosely or heavily guided is very hard to say sometimes.
i reject your spirit in the name of my true spirit which is Bourbon 😁🥂
I dont pick on satanists because i have never had one yell at me every weekend from street corners and popular shops and didnt grow up with educational institutions trying to teach satanism. The only one I met in real life was an author and they make a decent cup of tea and cake.
Mmmmm Cupcake!
The only Satanist I met face to face took me on several wonderful dates!😁🥰😍🤩😘
I don't bake much, but we could go out for ice cream. Then later we can 420, watch some music videos and go for a walk. I'm over 50 so it will all have to be before 9pm. Yes, I am that scary non-binary Theistic Satanist you were warned about by Christians.
I have yet to see a Wiccan or person that believes in ghosts telling me I am evil, and that if I don’t listen to them and do as they say I will be tormented forever. And though they believe in a spiritual world, they don’t reject natural reality. In fact many I have seen embrace science.
One of our local wiccans died early last year. It was good seeing all of her friends and family again at the funeral and the circle, despite the circumstances. They were planting a tree with her ashes.
Pretty much. I know some satanists, and they and the various pagans and non-believers, and my christian friends, really don't care what *other* people's beliefs are. It seems to be the hard-core fundamentalist of all stripes that have the hate on.
As a pantheistic neo-pagan, science and the study of the natural world could be thought of as a religious activity... how else are we to better understand the universe and everything in it?
I would argue that "spiritual world", not only requires a proper definition, but that belief in it is a departure from natural reality and incurs a burden of evidential proof that has not been met.
@@coffeetalk924 I don't disagree, but this would also mean that we would be defining "spiritual" in Christian terms as they view things from the angle of "belief in the supernatural". Why do they get this power? I don't believe in supernatural things nor am I "spiritual" from a Christian perspective. Indeed, I don't really "believe" in anything... as a pantheist, belief is not required
Well I for one never had a Satanist run up on me and try to quote Romans 1:20 to me.
Maybe we should start going to churches and yell "Have you heard the good news? Your imaginary friend is just that!"
Because you are already misguided just like them fool
... because Satanists do not do everything they possibly can to convert others, and thus do not have a negative impact on the world
I have always assumed Satanists were just people who were trolling Christians.
Exactly!
@@condorboss3339 yes and no lol
They usually look like ghosts and listen to what sounds like horny pigs...
I'm certain there are Satanists who actively try to convert others, but that might just be a subjective or individual matter. It isn't, however, a requirement like it is in Christianity. .
I, in an attempt to be thorough AND Biblical always scoff & mock Xian’s silly beliefs. If Satanists had the same amount of power as Xians & tried to legislate their ridiculous & harmful beliefs into laws I would mock them as well. They also produce much better music than Xians.
What the hecks a Xian? Sounds asian
hehehe. Totally better music.
Imagine being a Christian, who claims to be the one true religion and everyone not part of their religion goes to hell, and accusing *atheists* of doing that.
Imagine proclaiming you are protected by gawd, yet wearing seatbelts.
@One Who Waits By their wanky half assed definition meeting in a pub is a religion, going to school is a religion, shopping is a religion - everything a minimum of 5 peeps are doing with the same goal is a religion.
Or, as Aron puts it, it's a back handed way to admit religion is BS.
I've heard Christians claim Christianity is the only religion of truth, but don't recall any that said they themselves are the one true religion.
The guy in the vid isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's really not that capable of coherent debate. He's painfully unaware of his own hypocrisy.
Imagine being a Christian, and trying to criticize anyone else for "'demanding to conform to it's beliefs."
I have never actually run into arguments for theistic satanism. Rest assured, my response would be the same as it is to all other forms of theism. I am unconvinced. If they want me to believe, they need to show me evidence that is convincing. If they cannot, I am going to feel they are rather silly, believing something without convincing evidence.
Of course, I deal with that sort of thing from Christians almost daily, hence responding to them more often.
Exactly lol.
Yes agreed! I also hold a rejection position against other unfalsifiable claims, such as simulation, brain in a vat, zoo hypothesis, multiverse hypothesis, etc Show me the evidence!
I am a Theistic Satanist and I don't want you to believe. I don't think you need to change in any way. Carry on and just be you, do what you want. See, no argument to be had.
The satanists don’t knock on my door once a week asking me if I’m going to heaven or hell
The persecution complex is strong here.
Christianity is the largest demographic in the U.S and has a stranglehold on politics and education.
Only makes sense to criticize that faith.
This guy may well be one of those Christians who believes most self-identified Christians are not real Christians, not born again Bible believing true(TM) Christians.
Evangelicism is wholly responsible for the rampant anti-intellectualism plaguing the United States. Society must break free from its irresponsible complacency with religion.
Your key word there, is "US"...
TH-cam is used multinationally. There are other religions worth discussing.
@@UKMonkey Yes, and I do discuss those religions. All I’ve done is emphasize why christianity may be criticized more often.
@@2l84me8 I spend quite a bit of time on pagan channels and a substantial part on modern science-accepting non-Creationist Christian channels and a bit on Buddhist and Eastern ones. They're all more polite/understanding/welcoming than say Comfort, Hamm, Locke, Anderson, Jeffress, Kat Kerr, the MAGA and megachurch crowd. Sometimes a MAGA will slip in and tell us why we're all going to Hell but be ignored. You know the ubiquitous cut-and-paste preaching (Christian or Muslim invariably). Only times I've seen someone "mocking" or being openly insulting it's Creationists or atheists, usually atheists, and I go into (gentle) combat mode; it usually takes awhile for them to realize I am really atheist too and their attitude suddenly changes; they usually strike me as recent escapees from Christianity/Islam still furious at the lies and cultic control they suffered and still believing "all religions are the same" and want to practice on the "knockoffs" before taking on their own ex-faith. Embarrassing. I suppose if I understood other languages (Japan, India) I'd see more atheist pushback against other religions, but I like the Japanese attitude toward religion and I've begun to see some Hindus coming in like Hellfire Christians. But mostly atheists "mock" in defense of modern science (not a religion), secular democracy (not a religion) attacked by theocrats, and various demographics some ("not all") Christians want removed/executed (LGBTQIA+, atheists, other religions, other/false/"demonic" Christians, other races/ethnicities/refugees, women, etc.) No other faith I know of besides Christianity and Islam regularly attacks and openly seeks to erase huge swaths of humanity or flat out deny the very science that makes our lives possible.
I'll quite happily mock the likes of Hovind, Powell, ChristRighteous, etc.
Everybody needs a hobby...
Same here, repect! That reminds me i need to insult them again
Why didn't anyone tell me that atheism was a "get out of shame free" card!? Here I am, being a good little, baby eating atheist and constantly dealing with shame, low self-esteem, and other crap thanks to depression when I just need to be selfish, "want to sin", and I can escape that all.
Here I am actually trying to consider my own actions and how I can help others. Silly me. All I had to do is deny God and it would all go away. /s
How can anyone actually think the "you just want to sin" or "you just want to be your own God" arguments are any good?
I'm not dumb enough to think I could outsmart an omnipotent and omniscient god. If I actually believed one existed, and believed I knew what it wanted, I would also believe that I was unable to avoid the consequences for going against them.
It's possible the "get out of shame free" information email was caught by a filter. It's important to check your spam folder regularly.
Them saying "you just want to sin" while they themselves are always sinning. Their Jesus says to turn away from sin and sin no more but in yet they ignore that and continue to sin.
The fact that they think this mindset makes sense probably also goes to explaining SovCits.
They only need to accept jc as their lord and savior, he has paid for those crimes already. This idea that athiest only want to sin is dumb because christianity is a get out of hell free card so there is no moral imperative.
@@meonacid69
Let me add to that as well....
Yes you are right, Christianity is not a get out of hell free card
but in extension to that (and i know what i'm talking about because i've been an ordained minister and have a degree in religion and served god , let's call it, for 15 years) and i did all this to get closer to god.
You devote 15 years of your life to a god, to love him, to love his son
AND HE DOESN'T UTTER A WORD IN RETURN TO SIGNIFY HE IS THERE, Doesn't guide you, Doesn't do anything
My Conclusion.... we can't prove whether he exist, we don't actually know if he exist, but this is a certainty
He either doesn't exist
or
He doesn't want me to know he exists
or
He doesn't want to know me, Possibly doesn't care, if once he did, he no longer does
but.. that's not the point i was trying to make
the point was, what you learn during a religious degree is
No one is saved.
Christians go around saying
WE ARE BORN AGAIN (Ok, .. that's a metaphor) it's not actually real.
but let's entertain it anyway
then they say
We are saved and now you need to receive the word of christ and accept him as your lord and saviour so that you may avoid judgement and that you may go to heaven, because only the righteous go to heaven
IF THEY HAD HALF A CLUE ABOUT THEIR RELIGION THEY WOULD KNOW A FEW THINGS
1. Only Jesus is Righteous
I mean how stuck up do you need to be to look down onto a person and call yourself righteous and condem them a sinner
2. NO ONE IS SAVED
You don't accept god and then instantly you go to heaven
the bible even goes into how
- ALL WILL BE JUDGED
that doesn't mean , all Atheist's , it literally mean ALL, EVERYONE, Every single person on the day of judgement (assuming it will happen and that jesus and god are real) will be judged
and that even means christians
Then what is supposed to happen is ...
GOD IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE ACTIONS OF EVERYONE
and he will issue a judgement
Now the other problem is, christians always see judgement as a punishment
NO THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS
it's not a day of punishment ,it's a day of judgement
what is supposed to happen is ...
If you did good, you will be rewarded
if you did bad , you will be punished
the idea is... God looks at your life and actions as a whole and decides what to do with you
NO ONE IS SAVED UNTIL THEY ARE JUDGED
AND NO ONE IS JUDGED UNTIL THE DAY OF THEIR DEATH
and No...
You can't have a near death experience and say
I died, went to heaven , received my judgement and came back
no, that does not happen
the point is.. Christians need to really understand their own religion
i mean, god is not stupid
if you are born again today and saved then tomorrow you can kill someone
and you are good and going to heaven
THAT'S FUCKING STUPID
They need to understand their own religion
and another thing they need to actually read their bible
but that's another kettle of fish
should they read it ? considering that the book is a lie
it's definitely a pickle to be in
they read it because they have no other option
Truth is, there is no real bible , a One Word of god
Growing up in Europe, I never realized I‘m an atheist until I turned 30 - not because of some severe indoctrination, but because I was raised as a Christian pretty much „by the way“, and religion was such a non-topic that the mere concept of non-belief just didn‘t consciously occur to me.
Once it did, I immediately realized that IF the Christian concept of eternal „heaven“ vs. eternal torture was correct, this is the single, literally infinitely most important question to find an answer to in this life, so I took it VERY seriously and dug deep into the arguments for or against religious beliefs in general and Christianity in particular. And the result was more unambiguously devastating for the religious position than for any position on pretty much any other question I ever asked outside of pure mathematical proofs.
There is no proof that there isn‘t any god at all (because „there is a god“ without further defining it is entirely unfalsifiable), but there is a plethora of both logical and factual evidence unambiguously showing that any particular god I‘ve ever looked into, for example the Christian god, AS DESCRIBED BY THEIR BELIEVERS is entirely off the table.
It’s hard to pick „the one best argument“, because there are so many, but most of the time I‘d pick this:
IF the Christian god as described by Christians was real, he would want me to believe in him, he would know what evidence will convince me, and he would be able to produce that evidence. So the mere fact alone that I don‘t believe he exists conclusively disproves the existence of the Christian god as described by Christians.
I agree with you 💯 that's why I too don't believe in any of their gods at all anymore, because when I was a little kid I was called Satan, just because I asked them obvious questions about their beliefs and how all these things can be possible!! And instead of answering my questions at all, they just called me Satan and kicked me out of their church!! And the same things happened to me with all the other religions as well too!! So, I realized that the people in this world turned their own backs on their own beliefs and whatever they believed in their Bibles and the book of Mormon and the rest of them!! Then as I grew up, I started to realize that people are just trying to show off to their gods and saying pick me to go to heaven and ignore what they're all really doing towards each other in this life that they have now!!
As a W-European myself, I totally understand you. What supports myself enormously in the fact that as a non-believer I still lead a very rewarding and satisfied life. And this for 60 years already. If this so-called god wants to punish me for not believing in him or acknowledging his existence, he will has to hurry a bid for turning my world around.
@@MrCanis4 I definitely agree with you and fully understand that as well too!! I too have done the same thing as well too and I still challenged their own gods as well too to try to change anything that I have done in my own life without any aid of any of their own gods or their own beliefs in their own Gods still today!!
@@magicunlimited2895 You know what's most satisfying about my life is. I owe all my success to myself. And I'm quite proud of that.
@@MrCanis4 You know what, so do I as well too!! And I'm quite proud of it myself as well too!!
Ooh, he's taken his hoodie off and put his pencil down, you can tell it's serious
This guy used to be an atheist! What, when he was a baby, jeering at all the people at his chistening? I think not. If he was ever an atheist, he would not be puzzled and ignorant of what motivates an atheist to say what they think of all aspects of religion.
He probably got mad at his parents and didn't go to church for a couple of months, so he thinks that made him an atheist.
I wonder if he lost his taste for babies. I mean, they are sweet, but face it: They really do stink sometimes.
I get so tired of hearing about guys like Lee Strobel (author of "The Case for Christ") who is an ex-atheist turned Christian. He was an extremely poor example of a thinking atheist, when he actually identified as one, and it is quite obvious that he didn't understand the position or the arguments very well. And now he's all about making a fast buck off a pro-theism book. Somehow his critical thinking skills and poor understanding of proper epistemology led him to justified conclusions! Nonsense!
But he lied to a church that he used to be an atheist and they embraced him as a 'returned angel'. So this is his reality now.
Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of g0d and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is IMPOSSIBLE to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
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Exactly lol. I could be a Satanist too bit i don't believe in satan bit still be a Satanist lol
@@LadyOfTheEdits Actually pnly one small group actually believers. Neither TST, or CoS believes in a literal Satan.
@@CoffeeTheDragon of course
I am a Theistic Satanist but I don't try to convert anyone. I go about my business and even accept that an atheist could legitimately can call themselves a Satanist if they want to. You go against the status quo and claim the name of Satan. That's good enough for me.
"Life without God is useless."
Okay I'll bite. What is life useful for then if there is a God? What exactly does an omnipotent, omniscient God get out of life that he himself cannot achieve? And even if Life serves a purpose for this supposed God, what determines if this use is indeed meaningful? Why is this God's use for something so meaningful? Any answers will only create more questions.
Well based on the description of heaven, praising him for his benevolence in creating you, regardless of how tortured your existence may have been, and thanking him for forgiving such heinous crimes as lewd thoughts and violent intentions, regardless of your capacity to act on them.
@@elegantoddity8609 That actually doesn't answer much at all. That's only an answer as to what is expected of people. It doesn't explain what the end goal of this is. Why does a God create humans to go through all of that? He's omnipotent, this is all nothing but a time waster for him. It cannot achieve or lead to something he himself cannot make. So what's the point of it all?
And then there's also omniscence, which means all events are already scripted with full knowledge and understanding of what they do and will do. So once again, why any of this? It seems like a meaningless diversion for the God.
And if one is to bring up freedom of will, that doesn't exist in the context of omniscience, and it's arguably it doesn't exist regardless. Two, freedom of will isn't Biblical in the first place, making it an interpretation/fanfiction, non-canon. Three, omnipotency still means there are no phenomenon above the said God, so freedom of will even if it existed would be worthless.
And thus I fail to see how any of this serves any use for an omnipotent, let alone omniscient God. There is even more to this topic still, but I'm keeping this short for now.
At best this answer makes God sound like narcissist who created humans just to stroke his massive ego. Sounds very demonic, or archon-like. Are you sure this described God isn't a demon or an archon?
@@Arexion5293 Uuuh. I guess he just likes praise. Honestly not sure why a perfect being would want company. Feels like personifying reality. We like having relationships because of evolutionary reasons, so we project that onto the universe.
Trying my damnedest to play....devils advocate here. I suppose the best possible explanation is that he wanted to be nice to people but there were no people to be nice to, so he made some humans so he could look at their happy faces.
@@elegantoddity8609 And if you go further with that idea, you realise that we're dealing with a being that exists in extreme isolation. It created people so it wouldn't feel lonely, but these people are literal figments of its imagination as all that exists are what this being thinks of. And these people only act according to its thoughts, as the being is all-knowing and all-powerful. Nothing exists that doesn't originate from this being's mind. God is a coma patient stuck in its own mind, as it has no capability of verifying the reality of anything. When the very fabric of reality is a reflection of your own mind, what is reality?
Godhood is the most extreme form of an existential crisis as there is no escape from it. The only way to escape it is to cease being a god.
So either god is a narcissist or it is a being stuck in its own mind. Probably both.
Conclusion: God is Azathoth.
Now I know that you're a British person living in the US. I'm so happy that you've actually come around to the true belief in driving on the right side of the road.
Amen brother! The left hand is only for passing a joint, not for shifting gears.
You’ll be pleased to know I also got a ticket today… driving a little too fast 😅
@@TheSkepTick well I'm happy that you've come to the consensus that driving on the right side of the road is correct. But getting a ticket for driving too fast, that just kind of sucks and I'm sorry that happened to you.
I kind of hope you live somewhere near Seattle cuz I'd like to meet you sometime that'd be cool
@@TheSkepTick Getting a speeding ticket here in Germany borders on an achievement. At least on the Autobahn.
Wow, this guy doesn't so much demonstrate a lack of critical thinking as they demonstrate _negative_ critical thinking. The regurgitation of long-chewed up strawmen never ends!
Well, he’s a christian. Critical thought is not a skill they like to groom among their kids.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Absolutely fair.
There are atheist channels doing all kinds of pseudoscientific debunking though, like Professor Dave and Scimandan. It would seem he didn't do a lot of looking.
Indeed, I make fun of Flattards, YEC, perpetual motion, homeopathy, ghost hunters etc, the funny thing is they use the same tactics.
they don't look, that is how belief works, make up things in your mind and never look at the real world
the memes at the end just proves it
@@naruarthur And that's why we get the same 10 questions for athetits for what, 40 years now?
Even SkepTick had a video about a speaking to the dead scammer, though it was one with a pink Christian tinge.
And Logicked, he's dealt with lots of not directly Christian things. And Sir Sic as well.
Last I checked, Satanists aren’t trying to take away anyone’s rights, unlike Christians.
exactly!
The victim complex of these Christians is somethin' else.
@@multi-milliondollarmike5127 yup lpl
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You kind of have to feel sorry for them. Their beliefs require them to be persecuted for their beliefs, in a society they dominate. If that isn’t the greatest source of cognitive dissonance for them, I don’t know what is. But feeling sorry for them isn’t a free pass on the rest of their bullshit.
Im an atheist, but Satanism do try to take ppl rights.
Look at Ameland.
Thank you so much for the shout-out!
It's true. We live in different bubbles and the christian in the video hasn't thought much about our side of things (islam etc)
I laughed at the realization that it's mostly theists who believe in Satan 😂
4:45 One of the more interesting things about the Pagan faiths (Wicca, Druid, etc.) is they don't do apologetics. Perhaps that's why they don't have apologetics channels, which is why Atheists aren't responding to their apologetic arguments.
Maybe because Satanists, and witches aren't liable to significantly negatively impact our lives?
Also, I have doubts that they post questions addressed to atheists like pencil man does.
The last time I checked, Satan hasn’t uttered a word to anything his enemies accuse him of. All the trash talk is coming from Mr. Yahweh and his hoard of hate spewing believers.
Atheists generally leave the Satanists etc alone because they don't generally pester anyone .. . when was the last time a Satanist told anyone that you're going to heaven because you don't believe in Satan .
also, satanists as christians think don't exist, only some sarcastic or indirect versions of it
Satanists usually are atheists who just want to piss off believers.
Normally it's because those other belief holders don't try to convert the others.
Plus the general science denial stuff...
"Why Christianity"
Political power maybe?
The sheer number of Christians in our local areas?
Many of us have friends and family that believe these things and shun those who leave the faith or come out as lgbtq+?
Need I go on?
If I want to commit a crime, I just pretend the cops, judges, and jails don't exist. Deep down, I know they do, but that doesn't matter. I just pretend they don't exist and then they don't affect me.
Its flawless logic, I never even feel shame. It's great stuff.
I will mock people like Hovind, Ham, Powell, WLC, Turek, Koukl, etc. I won't mock the believers who don't try to convert me.
Doesn't Christianity want everyone to conform to it's way of thinking or spend eternity in torture?
Funny that he’s asking about why skeptics don’t go after people performing seances and spells etc when there are whole channels dedicated to debunking that stuff. Guys like Derren Brown and James Randi practically made a living out of it!
Witches and satanists aren’t trying to take away my rights and persecute those I care about. They are alright in my book. Their beliefs might be silly, but at least they aren’t actively trying to hurt others.
Satanist here:
Yeah, that's all. I'm here.
This guy is like a Christian who would go up to a Jehovah's Witness and ask them "WHY DON'T YOU BELEIVE IN GOD"?
...they do. In fact, they beleive in the same god you do. They just think his name is Jehovah and have many other minor differences. but it's fundimentally the same based-on-nothing-but-faith conclsuions.
Hang on; in a previous video, didn’t he spend a LOT of time mocking ‘outspoken’ atheists and saying how stupid they are?
Pot?
You didn't expect a Christian NOT to be a hypocrite, did you?
No stupid, meth!
@@rogerscalf231 And a bad batch at that... obviously.
Is there any point?
They tend to take the piss out themselves, besides which they've generally got better musical taste than Christians. 🤘
My favorite part of Saturday! Leaf be upon you!
upon you as well fellow skeptikian
It's so simple. I only care about what others believe when they try to impose their beliefs on the rest of us, whether in schools, governmental settings, or other public events.
You say "I hate people who believe dishonest things for dishonest reasons", I say "I hate liars"!
Atheists don't make fun of Satanists because Satanist mind there own business & don't have apologists.
Theists are always threathing Athiests with hell, but I have never seen a Satanist threaten an Athiest with Heaven. Lol
Both arguments are false. Some Satanists get into vandalism and other behavior and many of us theists aren't threatening atheists (which is not a proper noun) with Hell because we don't subscribe to such a philosophy. Asatruars may warn about Hel/Hela, but she and her realm are nothing like the vast range of concepts of Hell. I could warn you about Naraka, but it too isn't as bad as this Hell place. Being in Naraka would only be temporary, and not as bad as lower realms. But unlike with Heaven and possibly others, you aren't limited to one lifetime get things right to reach Moksha or whatever for possibly other philosophies, and often aren't as strict as Abrahamic traditions.
Also, a number of Satanists are atheists. I'd imagine they don't threaten themselves with Heaven.
@@bodyrumuae2914 ok fun info. But hsve fun
I've spoken to this guy directly in his comments, he and I were respectful but he started getting snippy when I countered his claims, then he stopped responding. He has the typical christian persecution complex. Meanwhile his religion is the dominant one here in the states, has massive influence over political matters and such. So a few less than polite comments apparently equals persecution. Why would we bother with "satanist" channels. It's HIS religion that's forcefed down our throats. I don't see or hear anything pertaining to such things, but I am forced to listen to theist crap nonstop. Also, in pretty sure Dahmer converted to xtianity after getting locked up. Like they all do.
Theism involves arriving at a conclusion, without bothering to gather the evidence that is necessary to arrive at that conclusion. It's like watching Monty Python and the holy grail. You cannot know the unknown, but religious people claim that they do.
The hugs are free, but you have to pay him 5 bucks to NOT hug you.
my grandmother recently told my sisters and I that the devil can’t hear your thoughts so when he’s in your head and influencing you, you have to speak to him out loud or else he won’t hear you… but god can hear your thoughts… she is 100% convinced of this and many other strange things
Just goes to show with age does wisdom not necessarily come.
Funny how religious people can always see what’s wrong with OTHER religions, but never apply those standards to their own.
Thanks that is so true but I never thought of that...I will put it on my list for why Christianity is dangerous!
Absolutely. That's one of the concepts that liberated me from Christianity. If the other religious beliefs seem ridiculous, then why is mine different. Turns out, it wasn't any different.
As presented clearly by 11:17 xD
@@AbstractM0use mine was the dilemma of other religions in general. If I was born in the middle east I'd most likely be a Muslim, should they all go to hell because they were born in the wrong social climate?
@@anotherguyonthepc5 that's usually how I reply to someone using pascals wager. Why don't they believe I'm Allah? Because if your wrong you have everything you'll burn in hell!
Christians act like no other religion even exists. But to be fair Muslims seem to think that too.
Both tell me I know that their god actually exists but I reject Yahweh or Allah because I just want to sin.
I have literally have discussions and critcisms with pagans and withces. They are generally more allied with atheists because of how they structurally often view their religion and other religions compared to their religion, but their is still sources of discussions of contention and discussion going on between the communties. In fact it occurs even when we are allies, which can both be a benefit for calmer discussion or sometimes sadly the opposite and that might also affect how you view peoples behavior too.
I don't even know where to start with this, such a treasure, thank you Tick.
First of all, why is our pencil friend trying to use atheist channels to "mock and bully" people that believe differently than he does? He first complains how atheist channels are so mean to him and other christian channels and then just smoothly goes to "go bully someone else", preferably the ones he points to, how kind of him to want others to suffer along with him.
Then putting being atheist as the same descriptor as murderer and cannibal, what a gracious view of his fellow humans, makes me wonder if he was a cannibal in his very demonic agnostic days.
And to top it all of a bunch of poorly made memes, a Ray Comfort quote, a "atheism is faith and ackts as if it's the only way" projection, and my personal fave a citation by "former atheist", as if there's only 1, so we can go and ask them if they did indeed say it. On the other hand he takes his inspiration form the bible and its 500 witnesses, what is 1 former atheist in comparison. He should step up his game, to match the energy.
When someone says, to me, "I don't have enough faith to believe..." I respond with, "At least we agree that faith is not a valid path to truth."
I also like to point out that "the supernatural" was invented, by Christians, in the 5th century CE, to solve some then current problem with their belief. The writers of the various books of the Bible did not understand the world in terms of "the supernatural". In later years the supernatural became populated with all kinds of demons and devils, as we see in popular representations such as movies, books and television programs.
I like that first part
1 - In the beginning, Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe (LBUH) farted the heavens and the Earth, 2 - now the Earth was treeles and grassless, there were no clouds in the sky and the spirit of Lisa was walking over the barren plains.
3 - And Lisa (LBUH) said "let there be a cycle of water that warms the water and makes it evaporate up in the heavens and then cool down until it rains down on the land", and it was so. 4 - Lisa (LBUH) saw the rain was good and she separated it from the waters of the ground, 5 - Lisa (LBUH) called the water vapor "cloud" and the liquid water "lakes, rivers and seas", and there was evening and there was morning... The first day.
6 - And Lisa (LBUH) said "let there be trees that will bring forth green and tasty leaves to eat and also something else for the other things that I will create someday", and it was so. 7 - Lisa (LBUH) saw trees and grass covering the barren plains and it saw that it was good, and there was evening and there was morning... The second day.
8 - And Lisa (LBUH) said "let the lakes, rivers and seas be plenty of fishes, crabs and marine mammals, and the plains with bats, birds, reptiles, bugs, monkeys and so on" and it was so. 9 - Lisa (LBUH) saw the plains and the seas teeming with life and she saw that it was good, and there was evening and there was morning... The third day.
10 - Then Lisa (LBUH) said "let I make mankind from the apes that I've created yesterday, so that they may tend to the trees, the seeds and the leaves that are so dear to me, 11 - so Lisa (LBUH) created mankind from the apes, with the physiognomy of the apes she created them, with a dick and a pussy she created them.
12 - Lisa (LBUH) blessed them and said to them "multiply and tend to my precious trees and don't let the grass grow too tall and sow the seeds at a proper distance from one another, 13 - Lisa (LBUH) saw mankind and hoped they will not fuck up something while she was not watching.
14 - Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe (LBUH) saw all that she had made, and it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day. 15 - in the other three days, Lisa (LBUH) spent her time eating snacks and sleeping.
"The universe is magic, so there must be a magician!"
Well I don't believe the universe is magic, so...
Logicked did a few videos about mediums. He's tackled a few different topics of this type.
Genetically Modified Sceptic also does that. Or Holy Koolaid, and of course Iseth.
Logicked is the best thing on TH-cam.
I live in the Rocky Mountains. I’m grounded.
Me thinking: he's going to use Grohl's Tenacious D satan...
...yup, there it is! lol
One of the reasons Atheists don't generally go after witchcraft channels is, I believe, because most witchcraft channels do not try to impose their belief on other people, and tell other people why they are wrong for not believing the witchery.
They tend to do their thing, explaining what it means to them, and how/why they are doing it, not expecting others to "join the cause", so there is really very little reason to "go after them"
As a reader, every time someone says that you can't hate something that doesn't exist the hairs on my neck stand up and I get so upset!!!
I have hated and loathed and loved, I have cried and wept and laughed for characters that were never real... Pretty much everyone who regularly reads books has had a similar experience
It's totally possible to hate something that doesn't exist. I hate umbrage from the Harry Potter series. When I read the scenes with her in it I experience the same kind of emotion that I feel IRL with real people....
1:15 - as an atheist myself: don't be so generous, I bet there's plenty of atheists mocking believers...
It takes two, a mocker and a mockee. By refusing to be either, this whole, tiresome dynamic can (hopefully) be transcended.
I do, but only when they're jackasses. However, I do that to anyone being a jackass. With theists, it just happens to get under their skin when I make fun of that stupid book and their Gnome. Also, I think it is fair game when people threaten me with eternal suffering because I won't believe in their made-up thing.
Imagine believing that demons are influencing people, and all you do is record videos in your car to fight such a malevolent force in the world. I find it baffling the types of things people can believe, but still live basically the exact same way as someone who doesn't share those beliefs.
Also, because it's not Satanists who try to run the country as if that's a part of their religion...
Your responses are pretty much spot on as usual. Starting to wonder if these Aplologists actually already know that their arguments are bunk and are only there for some other reason? Maybe financial or as a means of shielding religious leaders from having to deal with the questions? Guess we will never know but seems apparent that no matter how often stuff is debunked they keep on with the same old backward defences
I live in Taiwan, a country which is officially 95% Buddhist/Taoist- I say officially because most young people have no interst in templas or beliefs. There are many websites devoted to superstitions, beliefs, and fortune-telling, and other websites debunking them- but not many wedsites either pro- ar anti-Christianity because-surprie! - there aren' many Christians. Try pondering on that mystery for a while.
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I used to be acquainted with the high priest of the church of Set in Idaho. She never once tried shoving her religion down my throat and respected my right to not believe.
well timed advert, so I'll put in my part of the organ harvesting thing: we harvest organs from many non human creatures, whether justifiable or not, and we tend not to do so from humans, often having it be illegal. and the point of the question is that supposedly some places harvest organs from the aborted for different uses, one being stem cell research. whether it is true or not is a different story, but I believe that is the idea its referencing.
As an outspoken Atheist, I don’t argue with theists .. I feel sad for them and be shocked on how they can be duped into actually believing that some sort of supernatural, random “sky daddy” exists w/o a shred of verifiable data or empirical, science based evidence of its existence!
Because no Satanist has ever tried to convince me I'm going to hell for disagreeing with them.
and more importantly in the same breath tell me its the perfect justice from an all loving god. If they just came out and said you must worship god or be tortured forever because he is an all powerful narcissitic morally bankrupt monster who demands worship on pain of eternal torture then at least it would make some sense and would explain his hidden nature and the problem of evil. I would be more inclined to believe in his existence and possibly willing to worship out of self preservation although I would prefer to think I would stand defiant against said god although probably just wishful thinking.
I’ll admit that I regularly make fun of the US education system because it churns out people like this.
The guy answered his own question when he 'debunked' satanists himself. The only satanist that aren't Christians, don't actually believe it - how do you actually debunk that?
And so far, this guy's have not true to use their religion to justify changing laws that limit how I can live my life. It would be like debunking Quakers.
Thanks, that original car-theist pencil ✏️ response was one of the videos that got me hooked!
Cheers Travis... this comment will be in my next video!
There actually are YT channels that comment on other beliefs. Whether it be the power of crystals, essential oils, alien contact, chakras, hollow moon, astrology, channeling spirits, etc. Some far out stuff on YT. But they aren't as prolific as Christian channels. And have far less impact on society and politics as Christianity does. Christians are getting their fair share of attention for what they do.
Well as mediums are completely fake, And he is comparing his flavour of religion with them, He is basically admitting his is fake too.
I tend to think that Atheists don't make fun of Satanists because:
1) There aren't many or nearly as many, if any examples of Satanist hypocrisy... as there are with Christians.
2) Satanists don't spend a lot of time criticizing Atheists. Or anybody else either. At least, not publicly. They believe what they believe and they just kind of seem to stay in their own lane. They just seem to want to be left alone to believe what they believe. I can respect that... even if I don't believe in what they do. Atheists wouldn't make fun of Christians if they'd just stop being so gosh darn judge-y all the time... and if they'd stop being so hella-goofy.
3) Satanists don't constantly complain about how the rest of the world treats them/makes jokes about them/criticizes their beliefs. Christians invite judgement of their beliefs because they, themselves are so judgmental of everything everyone who isn't a Christian (sometimes even other Christians) does.
4) Satanists don't try ramming their beliefs down everyone else's throats. When was the last time you saw a Satanist preacher standing on a street corner berating passers-by? Where are the t.v. Satanist Evangelical ministries who want you to send them your money? What they believe doesn't impact anyone else's day-to-day lives. They don't try to influence government policy... like Christians do. America, in particular, claims to be a Christian country... which seems to guide some U.S. politician's policies (even if it violates their Christian beliefs).
5) Being a Christian involves, beyond a faith in the Almighty, aspiring to certain ideals/behaviours... many of which most Christians fall well-short of attaining. And when they do... they have a whole list of dumb excuses why they don't always live their Christian values. And they're ever-so willing to forgive their own transgressions... something so many of them fail to do for others.
In the end, what are Satanists doing in the public space that we should make fun of them? Other than a belief in something I don't share... to Atheists and/or Agnostics, they're kind of the perfect religion... in that they do their own thing and they don't seem to care or want to influence what we believe. I can respect that.
I do.
I make fun of any ideas that don't make sense.
That includes some ideas that I have that I know don't really make sense.
Most atheists, as far as I can tell, don't like to "make fun of" Christians. It's that we like to deconstruct Christian arguments and theology because we are usually ex-Christian and it is what we are knowledgeable about. We don't want to get involved in debating/deconstructing other theological structures that we don't know anything about. We would just look stupid.
I give what I get. When discussing things with theists, I always start out assuming they are talking in good faith conversation. If/when they start getting smug and sanctimonious I verbally embarrass them.
There are a lot of reasons, but the biggest is probably that in most modern western countries, Christianity is the only religion that has any political juice behind it and thus the only religion that has any real impact on the day to day lives of non-believers.
Unfortunately some do. I recently had an atheist telling me how Hinduism is a false religion because the deities aren't living creatures. The whole thing is subjective. Shiva is incarnated as cannabis, which we know does exist, Yama is the Lord of death, we know death exists, Shani is Jupiter, Surya is Sol (our sun), Rahu and Ketu are solar and lunar eclipses, etc., etc. Hindu comes from the Sanskrit, Sindu, which refers to the culture of people that live south of the Indus River, and Hinduism isn't limited to one theology or philosophy. But from the Christians, Muslims, and atheists I've debated on this, the culture of Hinduism is somehow a false religion because they don't believe there is sufficient evidence for specifically Dvaita monotheistic and or Dvaita polytheistic philosophies, despite that there is no restriction to following Āstika despite being the traditional philosophy, or Dvaita. Many are followers of Advaita, and Vishnu's avatar Buddha himself established Nāstika (rejection of following Vedic traditions, including advocating atheism is also a possible philosophy to follow and still reach Moksha).
The vast majority of satanists are atheists with a community/support group, some are still theistic but as far as i have seen there are not many.
As an atheist I don’t take it seriously enough to warrant any response , if I debunk Christianity then Satan is no more regardless of belief , cause I believe if satanist exist they’re only that to rebel against Christianity and don’t truly worship anything but freedom
I must say this, i love your Lisa the giraffe, leaf be upon her. That is simply awesome.
I don't know about others, but in my experience those who would be considered Satanists or Luciferian tend to be more humanitarian; they're just better, more decent people than the crazy Evangelicals we see.
A guitar without strings becomes a drum.. Well an acoustic guitar any how..
Love your coverage! Thank you! The only people who bring up Christian beliefs are christans
10:13 I'm not sure who that Ray Comfort guy is, but I kinda hate leprechauns. I just feel like it's just so greedy trying keep his lucky charms away from me.
Oh, and I don't hate God, because I know he doesn't like leprechauns, and as they say, an enemy of my enemy...
I met a Satanist once. Nice guy. I wonder how he is doing.🤔
Lol probably being wholesome and just being a genuine down to earth man
I may be a little late to this party, but I have my own ideas about the whole cellphone and guitar bit.
A cellphone without a battery can be stripped and parts used for modern art pieces.
Similarly, a guitar with no strings can be painted and decorated to display, or even turned into a birdhouse or what have you.
Also, these are human created devices with no sentient minds, meaty organs, or singular drive to exist and reproduce
It’s never too late to join a conversation!
Skep Tick has a really great voice. I can imagine him doing voice over work on TV.
That’s exactly what I do. 😅
I wonder if I'll ever hear anything from apologists that hasn't been said decades before it'd be nice to hear a new one
If a Satanist actually thinks Satan is a supernatural being that they worship, then yeah they're fair game for ridicule, too. However, I don't tend to openly mock people's religious beliefs, unless they hurl them at me, or tell me I'm lost because I'm not one of them. I used to date a Wiccan girl in the 90's, and she used to get _pissed_ at me when I'd laugh at her spell casting and the concept of the triple goddess.
By the way, I appreciate you changing your intro line from "can't" accept beliefs to "don’t" accept them. I was thinking about suggesting a change like this at around the same time you made the change.
It reads much better!
To quote Philip J. Fry, "Shut up and take all my money already!"
2:48 whoops whoopies
Where's Ryan George when you need him?!