Atheists Have No Common Sense
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- Personal Incredulity and the bandwagon fallacy... lots of that in this video... and my trying to rhyme this guys name. That was harder than saying that his claims are a bit silly!
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At one time, 99%+ of medical doctors believed it was unnecessary to wash their hands.
At one time (merely 160 years ago), all the remedies "doctors" had to do "good" with were, herbal enemas, bloodletting and mercury shots, back then, in the good old days the average life span were 38 years!
@@jipersson yeah but back farther people lived like 900 years old. 😃😉. Silly damn fairytale ✌️
…and the doctor who suggested that maybe doctors washing their hands could prevent iatrogenic infections was laughed out of the profession and died before it was a commonly accepted practice ☹️
@@markhaunert5029 Oh, I forgot about that!! Then again living for 900 years, given ears and nose grows through out life approx. 0.22 mm (0.00866 in) a year, might hamper your chances on the dating scene with an 8 inch nose! And your teeth also have a limited lifespan, unlike sharks! Damn those aquatic masterpieces!
@@jipersson oh that's hilarious 😂.
To some people “common sense ” just means “I believe whatever the majority of people believed in the 50’s”
Or earlier!! Much earlier!!
Nowadays we just call that "America"
@@Kyrelel Well, I'd call it "the conservative part of the USA", but yeah...
We’d be in a pretty bad state if as he seems to believe, you should just accept what the majority believe. Earth could still be the center of the universe. We could still be bleeding people to make them get better. And wait!! There was a time when the majority of people were polytheist! Dude, it was common sense that having just one god is dumb. We should never have changed from that.
To most people, common sense is "whatever I believe". Most people think they use common sense, just like most people think they're above average drivers.
7:20 - He just literally used the fallacy of appealing to popularity to argue that atheists are being fallacious. This is one of the best examples of irony that I've seen in months.
It sounds like he just recently heard about unbelievers after being stuck in a religious rural community for so long.
We’re on the rise!
@@TheSkepTick the Bible foretold deceivers would be in great number in the last days. I would not be bragging and admitting to being in this group of blind folks.
@@claudias9391 ... the bible is merely an old book. It is not magical, just words printed on paper. You nits are brainwashed toads.
@@claudias9391 Why not? If you are an atheist, you are an atheist. If Yahweh is real, hiding that fact will make no difference, Yahweh being all-seeing and all that jazz.
@@claudias9391 Firstly: I'm not going to insult you, as you've insulted non-believers. I'm better than that.
Secondly: The bible also says that prayer will *_always_* work in the positive to accomplish the impossible. Everybody knows that's not true. Even you. You know it to the point that you're going to lie to me about every example I've quoted just so you can continue to believe you're special enough to exist forever, allowing you to ignore the pants-shitting terror you feel when you dare contemplate mortality as it is faced by every other living thing on this planet.
*matthew 17;20* _NIV_
*20* _He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."_
*matthew 18;19-20* _NIV_
*19* _“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my father in heaven._ *20* _For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”_
*matthew 21;21-22* _NIV_
*21* _Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done._ *22* _If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”_
*mark 11;23-24* _NIV_
*23* _“Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them._ *24* _Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours._
*john 14;12-14* _NIV_
*12* _Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father._ *13* _And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the father may be glorified in the son._ *14* _You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it._
The bible says that animals get their markings from the patterns their parents were looking at while they rutted.
The bible is contradictory. Why should we trust it?
*matthew 5;22* _NIV_
*22* _But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell._
*matthew 23;17* _NIV_
*17* _You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?_
I guess I'll see your demigod in hell. Both of those passages above were spoken by it. It is amazing to think that a perfect god would inspire writers to contradict themselves in the same book!
*deuteronomy 5;9*
*9* _You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,_
*deuteronomy 24;16* _NIV_
*16* _Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin._
Oh look, a perfect god contradicted itself again! In the same book! Again!
Common sense is over rated.
More than 90% of the world believes in a god?
But not the god Tom believes in.
Even if it were 90%, that still leaves 750 million people who are not convinced. That is still a large amount of people.
@@Anonymous-md2qp
Whether it’s 60% or 90%, those people don’t agree on the same god either.
They all believe in different gods.
@@moonshoes11 This is true. They punt on trying to support THEIR god, and spend time trying to prove the existence of some god, ANY god.
And the only weapon in that arsenal is the argument from ignorance.
Weak.
They come up with even more excuses whenever I asked them, "Then why do you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and/or your savior when it's common sense that during the time when supposedly he was going around preaching his beliefs, the amount of people who believed and followed him were less than the ones who opposed him?"
Next time, ask that question to the believers who uses that argument thinking that it's logical. From my experience, the common response is them running away with the goal post and dodging the question.
@@moonshoes11 Even if they believe in the same god (Jews, Christians and Moslems), they believe in something different (and interpret scripture differently, and accuse each other of not believing in the right one) and fight each other. This is common sense at its best (and the common sense this Tom seems to refer to).
They just constantly tell me that I’m going to experience the most intense pain imaginable over and over because I’m not convinced. Yet, they refuse to provide any good evidence for their claim.
Common-sense-🙄
I like a bit of pain.
will it include getting my nipples tweaked?
their definition of "pain over and over" might refer to them trying to convince you again and again
@@draculajr He's an intense pain in the arse.
You have to believe even though you don’t have a reason to because uhhh book said so!
They're just so upset that more and more people just don't buy into their Bronze and Iron Age fairy tales and myths. Nor do we want to pledge allegiance to a invisible psychopath in the sky.
Yep I’d rather not simp for a cosmic homeless zombie man that gave up his weekend for our perceived mistakes-
Big stank energy on this thread 🤢 Yikesssss
he would actually be a narcissist but yes🤣🤣🤣
That's an insult to fairies...who also don't exist. Lol
@@warlocket5326 Weekends…More like 1.5 day two thousand years ago and then just pissed off into the sky never to be seen again. But he is coming back apparently 😜🤪😛😝
I sure do wish I lived in a world where I wasn't misrepresented, insulted, and viewed as evil because I need evidence to accept a claim.
Oh well. Much as I'd like to, I can't change reality.
reality is where its at maaaaaaaaan (that's a hippy pronoun, not an assumption of gender)
@@huepix Its sad how you have to say that man isnt referring to an assumption of gender
@@johnpayne5590 It's not at all necessary even in the sense you mean, though even more so because of the high probability that the person using the name Martin McKee here is very likely named Martin McKee in reality, and Martin is a man's name. I think most people, too, would get the hippy reference -- you did, didn't you? That you felt the need to say what you did says far more about you than what you said says about anyone else.
@@RichWoods23 Sounds like you didnt get the memo, i was saying how alot of people take the word "man" no matter what as to refer to a man, which most of the time it is not, and used to refer to someone normally.
Yes, most of the time it is necessary in this time, people get offended for others without knowing anything about them.
We are getting there step by step.
Tom's arguments: "please ignore all the evidence that rejects my position and just believe what I say without evidence. Because that's common sense"
I have more common sense, that a person reading fairy tales, believing that a "SkyDaddy" made me.
Sad people have this much free time.
interesting video. good production value. keep it up.
also it was good meeting you at AA con
Likewise! Great to meet you. Let’s do it again sometime!
Wholesome AF, love it
You both rock. Hi, Owen!!! 🙋🏻♂️
Hey Owen, what's AA con?
@@toolghost8932 if it's the con mentioned in the video, it would be the American Atheists Convention
My uneducated dad used the word "common sense" when he run out of argument for all the woo and stupidity he believed in. It was no gods, but some new age crap.
Same with my mom (in German common sense is called Hausverstand, lit. home/house sense/mind)
Exceedingly frustrating when there is always just one way of doing some house chores like hanging up clothes because "that's common sense"
at least he doesnt believe you will burn in hell forever for not accepting his particular god
This increasingly prevalent agitated anger and thinly veiled panic amongst apologists at the exploding numbers in atheism and "nones" warms my heart.
Warms my heart, but Tom hurt my ears.
It frightens me. The violence is just around the corner.
And if they ever consider how many followers of several religions, real followers fully accepted by other followers, are also atheists, fully acknowledged, they'll really be upset at the numbers. I've come across more Christians of a similar bent to non-theistic Buddhists. And when they count Christians in Japan do they take into consideration the Japanese view of religion and overlap of several religions for different life ceremonies? "Religion" is not the same for all religious.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 True.
The christians I come across in america just have a fetish for a book, freakishly so. They certainly don't seem to act like the guy in it that they claim to worship.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 religion isn’t even the same for two people sitting next to each other in the same congregation.
Funny how some preacher that is so sure of himself, can't handle comments on his videos. Apparently, his faith is so weak, that any dissent might cause him to stop believing.
I noticed that, too.
Really? Hmmm.
Ok I'm back. How typical for someone like him to disable comments. It's almost like he doesn't want to hear the truth or something 😉
He'd rather remain wilfully ignorant, than properly educated. His imaginary sky daddy, would get very angry with him, if he got debunked & stop believing in him, & would send & condem him to his imaginary hell.
Yeah. But we can still Down Vote his video. Even if the counts don’t show.
Nah, it's just an inconvenient truth that people disagreeing with him have a stronger foundation to stand on.
"A fool has said 'Everything came into being because it was created.'" This stuff's just too easy.
There was a time when most of the people thought the earth was flat or that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun travelled around the earth. Common sense should tell Tom Brown that majority opinion is not proof for anything.
@@KurtFrederiksen then there is Noah's flood which would have burned the world due to amount of water
But thermodynamics appreantly doesn't exist.
I remember a time when 99% of doctors recommended that you smoke cigarettesdidn't make that true either
A wise man once said "I Don't Want to Live on this Planet Anymore"
I tend to agree with him.
Could you imagine if a permanent base is set up on the moon or mars. Hopefully some religious group doesn’t spend a few billion and set up a religious building.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Why not? Send them to Mars. It’s uninhabitable for humans. They can be the Guinea pigs.
With over 3000 or so Gods and 45,000 or so different denominations of Christianity and this guy saying that atheists have not common sense is right on point for believing without evidence.
i see this mentality in the LDS church alot thats why i don't believe anymore its just nonsensical
Yeah, we Atheists do not have any common sense, because we don't believe in magical skyman who "created" the world by poofing it into existence... damn it, I will have to become a theist to have not-so-common sense
Proofing it into existence? Oooer sounds a bit rude.
@@vinnyganzano1930 good round of poofing is good for the soul
“Creator of heaven and earth; of all things visible and invisible”. It’s all a bit fanciful isn’t it?
@@kimlowe705 just a little bit. "You're going off into the realms of fantasy there Jones"
The FSM rules my life!
Common sense tells me ... nobody is born religious. The religious parents teach their kids everything their religious grandparents taught their parents. Forced to attend church on Sunday and Sunday school, like I had to. Then RE in high school, they tried to CONvince me there's a god🙃
I remember when i first learned that there were other religions than Christianity. I was like, "you guys think your ancestors souls were resurrected into cows? Thats crazy!" While simultaneously believing that an old fat guy in a red suit teleported across the world giving kids presents. The childs mind is a funny thing.
@@davidmauro8947 that's all common sense. 😁
I'm going to disagree slightly here. Humans are absolutely born religious, they aren't born denominational because the religiosity they experience is illusory.
We are pattern seekers and we tend to assume the presence of agency in the face of dynamism. We thus, in observing large-scale phenomena, tend to assume a large-scale agent(s) is driving them. This is the basis of every religion, our tendency to see minds where there are none, and it's built into us deeper than language.
Makes perfect sense if you think about it from a survival perspective. If you always assume something aware made that unexplained noise or rustled those leaves, you're more likely to become aware of and avoid potential threats, which increases your fitness, thereby selecting, eventually, for religiosity.
Should we *act* religious? Hell no, it's a low-resolution set of assumptions that helped bootstrap society by accident, we should be working to leave it behind and make better tools.
@@Teth47 i agree... with everything except your definition of "religious". I think what you are describing is that humans innately experience pareidolia. I dont think it counts as "religious". Looking into a newborn baby's eyes, its pretty clear that they arent born with any preconceptions about reality, nor do they possess the mental capacity at that stage of development to reflect on it. So even if we were born with this concept burned into our minds, our minds arent capable of recognizing what it is.
@@Teth47 nope
appeal to numbers/popularity. that is the logical flaw here.
People in that majority love to use it to call you stupid, until they no longer have the majority. Then their tune changes.
It would be easier to take Tom Brown serious if he was able to tell the difference between common sense and consensus. It didn't help that his counterintuitive 90% of all humans are theist sounds suspiciously like an ass pull or that the an idea's popularity doesn't make it true. It was once commonly believed that people couldn't travel faster than 60 miles per hour.
It was once believed that lightbulbs caused cancer.
light bulbs cause cancer in those with the 5g vaxx, and if one travels over 60mph, ones lungs will be sucked out by the reduced air pressure.
its all in Thessalonians
It was once believed that the earth is flat!
... wait
The fact that most of China does not believe in a god means his statistic was next to some polyp in his rectum.
@@RuneDrageon lol... "once"
Indeed, Tom, I see evidence of the ULTIMATE god in all things.
See some beautiful trees? ODIN!
See a beautiful baby? ODIN! [ignore the ugly ones]
You breathe air, and there's air? ODIN!
You're able to think and speak? ODIN!
Also, ODIN promised an end to the Snow Giants and delivered. Do you see ANY Snow Giants around? There, proof of ODIN.
hehe
Or Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe!
To be hones, All babie are ugly: It is a bias when it is your own child. :)
Proof for Odin.
Ice giant shoved sand and rocks in to my country.
Later civilisations made monument from those rocks that are tested to come from Scandinavia.
Oops.. Did I just tell where I live???
@@boterlettersukkel My little sister's babies have both been hideous twisted goblin like creatures who looked as though they were made by WETA for the Hobbit. Strange really because my sister's quite pretty, no, not that way, I'm not from Alabama goddammit.
@@vinnyganzano1930 " I'm not from Alabama goddammit."
Then your sister has all her teeth I take it?
“ How can you say almost everyone is wrong” this is the highest form of irony considering all the different religions actually believe everyone else is wrong it’s even worse when it’s small Christian religions that think all the other Christian denominations don’t know how to read the bible properly
My mother legitimately said to me once “Well, you’ve always needed proof for you to believe in things.” and I’m like “Yes! Because it’s not logical to hold a belief in anything without sufficient evidence of that thing being true.“
I hear that all the time. I wonder if believers hear themselves when they say that.
@@teresaamanfu7408 Yep. I’m like, why WOULD you believe without proof? What’s making you believe that the Abrahamic Christian God is real but not the Gods of Hinduism, or The Horned God and Moon Goddess of the Wiccan Religion? Oh and what about all the Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt? I mean as an atheist I obviously don’t believe in any of them, but how do you (my mother in this situation, obviously) know that Your God is the right one and not any or all the others?
ask her if you need proof to believe in Allah. LOL
And your mother's response was........
"What's your reason for believing that I was talking about "evidence" when I was clearly talking about "proof" instead? What do you have to say about that, son?" 😁
Hey, my busted old car is actually worth half a million dollars.
Dont believe me? You want evidence? Cmooooon.
It really is that stupid.
2:03 - "When it comes to politics, social issues, morality..", wait, wait, he brought up "morality" about the vast majority of people not necessarily agreeing on. But don't many apologists tell us that their god wrote morality on our hearts? Is he saying that he believes there are many gods, writing different morals on different groups of hearts? That is an interesting position to take, there aren't that many religions that accept all gods and religions as being equally true. Of course, even if that is his position, then all that would mean is that atheists are those who no gods have written any morals on or don't talk to. Which means he should accept atheists as being perfectly sensible, as they have no reason to think there's any god(s), as none have talked to them.
Obviously, their response will be something along the lines of, "It's common sense that God created us humans with freewill, so some people will choose to act immorally."
It's common sense that those type of people will come up with any excuse they can think of for justifying their religious beliefs, regardless of it being logical or not.
@@shawn092182 the ones who act immoral are the Christians believing that because of fraud I mean god they are perfect and anyone not of god is to be killed and raped if a virgin. It's in there book of god. Knowingly or not they actually still practice these actions to this day
"Let me tell you how much you are all wrong and then I'll turn off the comments so there's no discourse". I think this is the adult version of "nah uh, that's what you are, but what am I?".
🤣👍
The popularity of an opinon has no bearing on it's truth.
“There is nothing more uncommon than common sense.”
- unknown
God hasn’t always been outside the universe. That only happened after all his earlier hiding places became visible thanks to science.
As The Deputy Of Common Sense I can officially say that this theist is under arrest for crimes against logical thinking.
It’s about time you showed up! 😅
Hello deputy, I would like to report Matt Powel, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind etc...
@@itaytv4425 They have already been found guilty and are awaiting sentencing. Thank you for your concern.
If it's common sense to believe in an all powerful and benevolent god that lets people die in natural disasters, then yes, I lack common sense. Big time.
You can always tell how intellectually honest the Christian in these videos are being simply by checking their channel. Comments turned off?
They are being dishonest and they know it.
From what I understand, the TH-camKids version doesn't allow comments because you can't guarantee the content so Tom's channel is closed to comments so it can be more open to children. This means a place with no pushback to the shite ideas.
@@rodneytgap5340
Eh, they are just using the "TH-cam Kids" thing as a shield.
Frankly, I don't think religious content should even be allowed on TH-cam Kids. That is basically indoctrination which I would consider child abuse.
@@Diviance No, religious and anti religious content should be the baseline consideration. If you ban people talking about religion, you get what has happened in the public education system, children can't question religions because the topic is taboo, by law. TH-cam at least provides the opportunity for children to sample what religions folks are about and what non religious folks are about. The kids can sort it out!
@@NeverTalkToCops1
I don't think I agree. And I wasn't necessarily just talking about TH-cam Kids. I was meaning more "in general". Like drinking, religion should have an age limit at the point where they are old enough to be capable of proper, rational thought.
Otherwise, it is just indoctrination by parents and authority figures. Too much damage is done.
I'm with you diviance .... I believe that most of the religious leaders that fight for religion know they're being dishonest and they are not innocently believing because they truly believe these things. I think they're lying and they know it
You’d make Eminem jealous with your rhyming ability.
Lying aside, this argument only devolves to the same thing… then who created god?
Apologist- “god is eternal”
Common sense- “the cosmos is eternal”
*waits for Eminem to call
10, 000 IQ right there
Every time during my 40 years alive I have ever heard someone making an appeal to Common sense, it was revealed (usually by me, thanks to my passion for internet references, logical proofs, and pedantry) to have been a rationalization for their lazy complacency about the sub-par epistemic standards that had lead them to proclaim their counterfactual conclusions!
Also, in those 40 years, none of these people was able to revise any of their incorrect beliefs because of their also incorrect insistence on the superiority of "common sense".
Exactly!
Yup. "Do your research" and "common sense" are two phrases that should be good things but have become waving red flags that the person you're talking to is deep into nonsense.
Damn, that was a mouthful. Try and read that first sentence aloud, without taking a second breath. I bet you can't do it.
Common Sense is actually not very common.
Bah, they're right by their logic. They're also right by evolutionary logic.
They're only wrong by reality.
2 outta 3 is not bad!
And only about parts of reality that don't really affect life on Earth much anyway.
Heh, you beat me this time. I was going to respond to this guy myself, but the shortness of the video decided against it and I didn't want to do a double. I'd say you made it work. :-)
The veterinarian atheist fool in his heart says there is no dog.
I wonder if Tom went to collage, and if so, where? How much was his tuition and what was his major. He doesn't even understand the difference between reasoned conclusion and convenient conformity. More progress could be made arguing with a potato.
I'm glad you are becoming so much more well known it's a good rise and long may it last.
Thank you for the forced rhymes. They're up there with rigatoni Greg. I'm almost positive that Tom has never spoken to an atheist, he's simply repeating someone else's website. Without attribution of course. Cheers for another Sunday morn8ng Tick.
No worries, Paddy!
Stupid thumbs. That should read morning, not morn8ng.
There is something about your comedic timing that tickles my funny bone. Hilarious bro! Poor, poor Tom Brown. He didn't stand a chance. Keep it up SkepTic!!!
Appreciate it, TG!
my response to this kind of craziness would be to just scream "i did it, i created the universe"
anything they say against it can and will be used against their god, it will demonstrate the hypocrisy and dishonesty behind their beliefs
"landslide in an election"
*2020 Flashbacks intensifies*
I was on the other side of the pond then… watching it unfold like this 🫣
@@TheSkepTick my phone can't show me what you put at the end of your comment for some reason :(
Psalms 14:1 - 5 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
As an Atheist when a Christian uses the above bible verses what I hear from the believer is that they have shut down critical thinking from square one and poisoning of the well. If you are a theist you don't want to admit to yourself that there is no god as that would according to the bible make one a fool. Then by adding the additional parts of the verse it poisons the well against the atheist.
In a recent poll conducted by Angus Reid in Canada when it comes to religion in Canada, most adults believe Catholics, evangelicals, and Muslims do more harm than good. All three religions had a net negative score when people were asked if their members helped or hurt Canadian society. Evangelical Christians received the lowest scores.
While evangelical Christians (-43%) and Muslims (-9%) dislike atheists, pretty much every other group believes atheists are good for society.
It also happens that the happiest countries in the world are also the least religious.
@@briankrakau8371 The poorest countries are among some of the most religious; it is almost like for religion to thrive the society has to be a failure on some metrics.
@@vestafreyja or its religion that's holding back prosperity for its citizens?
"God is invisible! That's why you can't see him!"
Doesn't the Bible have God physically appearing to people a LOT?
A lot!!! A real lot!!!
Also… lot is coming up soon.
Being god, he can do magic tricks, but it seems he's lost that ability in more recent times.
If I'm going to use "Common Sense", I'll listen to an entirely different Thomas: Thomas Paine
The standard response to Tom is "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means"
“Science can’t explain how the first element was formed!” -Tom Brown Noise
Took me 52 seconds to Google “how did the first elemetns formed” because I type bad on my phone.
Result: “As the hot, dense new universe cooled, conditions became suitable for quarks and electrons to form. Quarks came together to form protons and neutrons, and these particles combined into nuclei.”
Yes, science can.
Still missing: *EVIDENCE* for any god and I have no common sense??
Frankly, I'd always question the sanity of any god relying on humans to demonstrate his own existence instead of taking care ot that himself, especially when said god is supposed to know how flawed human beings are.
A long time ago most people thought the earth was flat. According to Tom that means that earth used to be flat...I mean that is common sense according to Tom. Anyway, I can never really understand why these people always seem to say: There is nothing that became existing out of nothing. If that in fact is true, someone created God and someone created the one who created God and so on.
Turtles all the way down and gods all the way up! But if the world was once flat, when and how did it expand into an oblate spheroid and how did nobody notice it happening? 🙂
When a person makes a thoughtless claim about their religion using their religious doctrines, a helpful way to get them to think is to ask them what do believers of other (past & present) religions believe. Thor, for instance, had a dad (Odin), and death in battle brought them to Valhalla (their heaven). Once upon a time, Valhalla was teeming with souls - but no one's come to the gates (for entry) in quite some time. What are all of the souls in Valhalla doing now? What's it like in heaven now with progressively less and less entrants? If religions had any useful facts that could be relied on for convincing support - then they wouldn't call the practice faith.
I mean, there's something I would grant him, and this is something I've thought of: Atheism actually does have many similarities with conspiracy theories: It'ss the less popular position, it implies that the majority are incorrect about a highly relevant aspect of the world and that all the institutions and experts (apologetic theologians in this case) are either lying or wrong and us right; not to mention that we tend to call out whenever the lie is used for abuse and the sake of power and money.
I am an atheist myself, of course, and not a flat earther or anything like that. Despite all these similarities, I do find the evidence for god unconvincing and the evidence for the globe earth, modern medicine, etc. convincing. That's what it comes down to at the end.
So, it's funny, one could say that atheism is the one and only conspiracy theory that is actually correct.
At one point there was 90 percent of people believed the sun revolved round the earth,didn’t make them right
You cannot use a work of fiction such as the Bible in any debate that's ever been had. You also cannot use a written work to prove that written work such as using the Bible to prove the Bible. The level of arrogance it takes for somebody to say that atheism has no common sense while not even understanding the definition of that word really boggles my mind.
That has got to be the longest argument from popularity I have ever heard
My favorite counter to appeal to popularity is "millions of flies eat shit".
I wonder what percentage of people under 5 years old believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, or the tooth fairy. I guess we should base our own belief in those things accordingly!
Santa isn't real? Tell me this isn't so!
@@rookmaster7502 Well, there's hope. A high percentage of 5 year olds believe he exists. Can they all be wrong??! 🤔....
I don’t believe Tom about 90 percent of people believing in a supreme being
I'd seen the second one before. I particularly like the way the fan is growing out of his head.
14:06 who were the other Tweedles with propeller hats? Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumm and Tweedle Tom?
The fact that he's already debating the validity of a book about talking snakes, a great flood with zero archeological evidence, and a man who can part the sea and turn water into wine; it's safe to say that he's WAY beyond common sense.
Not to mention virgin birth, rising from the dead and everlasting life!
is it just me or do many of the non-professional apologists, and some of the professional ones, sound overly desperate in their attempts to shift the burden of proof? Tom here is just one example, what with his use of aspersions on the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with him plus the use of statistics that is so hilariously wrong he's crossing into deliberate lies rather than willful ignorance.
Agreed.
5:55 "If you disagree with me, then we really can't have an argument"
Yeahhh....
"Common sense tells us that the world is flat, that the sun goes around the earth, that heavy bodies always fall faster than light bodies, that boats made of iron will sink."
-- Stuart Chase
I find it so frustrating that attacks like these are usually on a definition of atheism that isn’t used much by atheists ( no god exists) rather than having an honest conversation.
But it's highly likely the video isn't being made specifically for consumption by atheists. It's more likely being used as an attempt to shore up the failing beliefs of Tom's co-religionists or as a way for Tom to signal his holiness to his community. Or both, of course.
I mean, the problem goes way beyond the vague and inaccurate definitions he uses, the problem is that he doesn't even care about considering what atheists actually say and believe, preferring his favourite selection of strawmen instead. Dishonest conversation indeed...
But not due to defining atheism as 'the negation of deities' (which is a fair definition by the way, insofar as we keep in mind that it defines athe-ism, not necessarily any form of unbelief per se).
One thing people tend to forget about is that stating one positive claim - say that deities don't exist - does not have to be a claim of universality, absoluteness, and certainty. One can easily disbelieve in a particular selection of deity concepts - even the sum total of deities claimed by all religions - without actively disbelieving in _any_ and _all_ conceivable forms a deity could take - such as for example the 'God' of classical theism, which is basically the famous God of Philosophers that Deists believe in.
There is no contradiction between being atheist of all religion-based, tradition-based, and spirituality-based deities, while at the same time being agnostic - in the actual sense of the term, not the dubious one - about purely philosophical, metaphysical deities.
I think that's actually the position being held by most atheists: they _do_ deny the existence of the gods that spiritualists believe in, while at the same time believing that it's *probably impossible* to know whether or not the God of metaphysics could or could not be real, which implies that they don't believe in it nonetheless, and are usually apathetic about it, since it being true or false doesn't have any consequence whatsoever in human existence.
In my experience, "common sense" just means "believes the way I do.
Tom's argument refutes itself. By your chart 67% of the world says christianity is wrong. Worse, the vast majority even of christians think Tom's *version* of christianity is wrong.
Regarding his silly "something from nothing" argument… his own god "came from nothing", and created everything else "from nothing". Another self-refute.
It's not that his god came from nothing, it's that he allegedly pre-existed eternally, which is nonetheless a self-refutation in the sense that it exposes the false dichotomy fallacy he was making.
@@lucofparis4819 Well, "outside time" means no time was passing before the universe, ergo he didn't exist any longer than the universe did. Indeed, the "pre-" in pre-existing implies a time before time, which is incoherent. Since nothing can be before time, his god had to come from nothing, just the way he says the big bang had to come from nothing.
@@jursamaj I've said pre-existed on purpose. I'm _not_ saying God is somehow 'outside time', nor am I saying that he isn't, in his view. I'm merely describing his view to be one that the set of all things that exist contains only God at t=0, _then_ the arrow of time kicks in as God somehow 'starts' the Universe.
In that sense, God isn't 'beyond time', he is what we would call in physics a timelike singularity from which spacetime arises. At this point, monotheistic accounts diverge as there is disagreement as to whether the Universe is just conjured ex nihilo, or made ex Deo (from God stuff so to speak).
Creatio ex nihilo is an obvious impossibility. But the reason why creatio ex deo is equally problematic isn't that God was himself created/spawned ex nihilo, it's that God's status is proposed to be that of an eternal being, effectively a timelike singularity at the origin of time and space... which exposes the fact theists are making a false dichotomy.
They're pretending that the Universe either has to pop out of nothing without a cause and for no reason, or be somehow created by an ever existent God, when in fact we could just skip the God part and offer the proposal that the Universe itself is eternal. It's the ultimate irony of theism, that it posits an entity and gives it 'necessary' attributes that could just as well be given to the cosmos, rendering said entity completely superfluous within their very own system of logic, independently of empirical input.
@@lucofparis4819 I wasn't saying *you* said 'outside time'. Tom said it himself.
@@jursamaj Fair enough. It doesn't really change the theistic arguments being made though: those aren't Tom Brown's creations (he'd be too dumb for that anyway), and his misunderstanding of what is being proposed doesn't automatically refute said arguments. Logic 101 will do that. 🤔
For reference, the basic claim is usually that God is 'timeless', not that he is 'outside time'. The difference between the two being that timelike singularity concept. Although, do not mistake such claims as to mean that the theists who make these arguments properly understand both the science and philosophy underpinning their ideas. As all theists, they have their blinders, and as apologists, they have their skills, and philosophers and scientists have theirs.
This is the kind of guy I always met at every church camp I was forced to go to They do not listen to you they just want to push their agenda And get you into the club I remember the 1st time I told one of those guys to get the f*** away from me It was during a campfire The preacher guy said You could take one sin put it on a stick and put it in the fire Get rid of that sin Everybody did it except for me I told him several times I don't have any I haven't done anything wrong I don't have anything I'm ashamed Of I'm not doing itThe whole camp was there trying to trying to get me to put a stick in the fireI finally screamedGet the f*** away from me I don't want to put a f****** stick in the f****** fireYou could have heard a pin Drop Campfire was overThey never bothered me again I had a pretty nice weekend after that
'I look at a mountain and see two land ridges pushing together to create a mountain...'
That's not what your Bible says they are...those were made as is, 6k years ago, by god, to pin down the land like tent stakes...Which...I'm only now realizing is comedy gold in it's levels of irony.
Solid video, as always.
15:20 ...and "so where do we go now, Tom Brow-n" actually got a decent chuckle over here. 😄🍻
Job done, Kevin. Job done.
I'm a simple woman. The rhymes made me LOL. Well done.
Also, dude talking about fallacies when his entire "argument" is argumentum ad populum. The irony, it burns.
I've been scrolling down the comments and was surprised how long it took before someone finally properly named his fallacy. Thumbs up!
Rejection of a claim isnt an endorsement of its opposite. What a maroon, Tom
Below is each religion's total estimated population for 2020:
Christianity - 2.38 billion (est. 45,000 denominations)
Islam - 1.91 billion
Hinduism - 1.16 billion
Buddhism - 507 million
Folk Religions - 430 million
Other Religions - 61 million
Judaism - 14.6 million
Unaffiliated - 1.19 billion
Unaffiliated is 15.5%...and growing (greater than Hinduism).
I don't trust anybody with a ceiling fan growing out of his head (cf 12:57 for example).
Re: the rhymes*. I suggest reading the hilarious poem "The Ahkond of Swat", by Edward Lear.
*actually, most of them are assonances.
I’ll check it out! Thanks Anna
I would turn it around and say that since there's like 7000 gods, it would be common sense to think none of them are true
Common sense is neither common, nor a reliable way to truth.
"Common Sense" is a euphemism for one's opinion that very often is neither common or sense!
Verse 4:20 proclaimeth "He who partaketh of the leaves shall be stoned!"
I often hear the Pascal's Wager as an argument. But I learned Occam's Razor:
Believe an intelligent, all-powerful, invisible being that created the universe was eternal
or believe the universe is eternal
We can explain the first "element" though. It's called recombination and can be seen through the CMBR. Other "elements" beyond hydrogen began to develop after that by fusion. People like this don't even understand that they're not even arguing against a point anyone is making.
About halfway in Tom declared that we atheists "just think that religious believers are superstitious"....
I looked up the dictionary definition of the word "superstitious".... and here's what Mirriam Webster says it means:
"of, relating to, or swayed by superstition"...
So I looked up "superstition" and here's what they say THAT means:
1a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
And I have to admit he's absolutely right... I DO believe that most religious believers are "just superstitious".
(In fact I think that most of them are a pretty good match for all three of those definitions...)
It’s not often they represent us correctly!
Talk fast and a smile that doesn’t reach his eyes. This dude is not used to anyone arguing back
He is right on one point. It IS hard to talk to someone who thinks there can’t be a conversation unless you accept fallacious reasoning.
thank you so much for putting a smile on my face :D
the rhymes made this video evenb better :D
You had me cracking up in this one.
Good thing, because I was feeling DOWN.
Sorry to hear that Alan! Glad this could give you some laughs!
LOVED the rhymes! 😄
Thanks for putting his link in the account, I was able to go over there and show him his flaw and purposefully lie.
This is what I told him, “You’re misrepresenting Stats purposefully and that’s what’s called, lying.
That 60/40 stuff,
well if you actually take into account that other religions have drastic differences in beliefs than your denomination then it’s Exactly like politics and all you’ve actually said is that people who believe in politics exist.
People who have political views are the very same as people who believe in gods, it’s Not any different bc the beliefs very to the extremes, just like politics.
It’s so sad that you purposely lied but you claim to be a Christian.”.
It's true. The lack of belief in a deity or deities has no common sense. Neither does the belief that the sky generally appears to be blue. A belief (or non-belief) has no cognitive abilities, so it has no common sense.
Love the rhyming game...love the channel.
Thanks John. That took some work 😂
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Surely it should have been...thanks John, have a bonbon🤔😉
The idea that everything had a beginning and came from something else is an assumption. There is no logical requirement for either.
It’s amazing to me how much of apologetics is based on false equivalencies and the inability to say “I don’t know.“
“What makes more sense, ‘my complete straw-man of modern scientific thought,’ or ‘God did it’?” Neither. That’s which one makes more sense. I forgot where I heard it but as far as I’m concerned all religion is just pretending to know things you don’t know.
Aron Ra uses that saying a lot, attributed to Mark Twain.
To be very nitpicky: we have no idea if something can come from nothing. We have never seen a nothing, ever. In fact we have not seen something coming into existance outside the quantum level. All we have seen are changes in energetic stages of matter/energy. All that I am was there at the start, and will be there as long as the universe exists. And maybe parts of me will even take on forms that are sentient when this form here is rotting in a grave.
But I never came into existance as they think about creation. I got assembled by biological/chemical processes.
Common sense tells us that the earth is stationary.
Common sense tells us that the sun orbits the earth.
Common sense tells us that alternative medicine works.
Common sense tells us that material matter can't quantum tunnel.
Common sense tells us that heavy objects fall faster.
Common sense tells us that dolphins are a fish.
Common sense tells us that mountains don't move.
Common sense ain't done us much good.
In fit of lack of self preservation I'll attempt to explain how hydrogen atoms form without having finished my degree in physics yet.
As we all hopefully know, a Hydrogen atom is made out of 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron. Out of the 3, the electron is the only one that's a fundamental particle, meaning it cannot be broken down further, then you have protons, which are simple enough to make. See, a proton is made of 2 up quarks and 1 down quark, quarks being fundamental particles, you can think of them as the smallest possible amount of stuff(mass) there can be. So, at some point after the big bang, enough heat was transferred to allow some amount of quarks to start colliding with each other, eventually creating the first ever proton, the same happened for neutron, which are made up of 2 down quarks and 1 up quark(the reverse of the proton) then when enough time passed, and enough protons and neutrons formed, a proton collided with a neutron, since they have similar enough masses, they got "stuck" together, but now this newly formed atomic nuclei was strictly positively charged, but the universe is extremely lazy and wants things to be in the lowest possible state of energy, so this atomic nuclei essentially "snatched" an electron that was passing by and became a neutral atom, the first hydrogen atom.
Now, this is extremely simplified, because I am not a good enough comunicator to set enough groundwork easily enough, quantum mech is one hell of a topic to try and explain to someone without a degree in physics, there's a reason why it's one of the last courses us physics majors take, one needs a ton of previous knowledge to properly understand what quantum mech is and how to use it, legitimately solving a quantum system is one of the hardest things I've done as a student, it can be traumatizing, specially when you have an evil ass professor that adds a 3rd particle to the system without telling you it can be reduced
He, and a lot of christians think we're idiots for believing the universe and everything in it has always been here in one form or another yet these same people who think that's ridiculous are ever so happy to state categorically that their god fairy tale character "is and has always been here".
The weirdest thing is that none I've talked to or heard can even see how contradictory that crazy belief actually is, nor just how contradictory that belief is. I usually try not to abuse them but, when they start that crap about "god made the universe and everything in it and god always has been and always will be here" BS and I point out that if their god could have always been then there's just as much reason to think the universe or the makings of could just as easily always been here too they tend to come out with things like " don't be ridiculous" when they're happy to believe this god character has always been here. Hypocrites and they can't even see it.
Yet he want everyone to believe 3x the amount of water on earth just appeared and disappeared in 1 year and tens of thousands of animals walked halfway around the world leaving their needed environment to get on a 450 foot boat with 1 window.
This argument in its `professional form` seeks to drag the atheist into a debate over possibilities. I like how you made sure to mention that those possibilities would need to be demonstrated rather than just asserted. However, that's the whole trap, because the moment you say, for example, "maybe it's always existed," the inevitable response is "demonstrate it," which we obviously can't do. It's a subtle shifting of the burden of proof, by going from "What else *could* it be," to "now prove it." The rational response to this argument is "I don't need to demonstrate the origin of all being to demonstrate that your assertion of `God` is without substance."
He wants to appeal to common sense? The same common sense that people say "carrots helps your eyes" even tho it was literally a lie to avoid the germans from figuring out radar? Just cuz it's common doesn't mean it's true. lots of people can be wrong
How does he know it isn't The Claw? The Claw chooses who will go and who will stay.
Tom would be much happier living in first century, circa 60 CE as a true and open Christian awaiting the advent of the Roman army for the destruction of Jerusalem, the obliteration of the Temple and the same torment persecution and suffering that the Christ underwent before his crucifixion and that Mark in his gospel assured everyone would have to happen to all good believers at the hands of the Romans. Then Tom, nursing his wounds and bearing his supreme grief could wait for the imminent return of the Messiah with angels of the Lord.....any day now....and then experience the sorting of sheep and goats as Matthew details...where he can risk his chances when Jesus condemns those who showed no compassion for others, atheists included, and dispatches them to the eternal lake of fire and instant oblivion. I've got joy joy joybells in my heart....