SIG's NGSW will change the battlefield (and the civilian market)
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- @sigsauerinc gave Mike the opportunity to get hands on with the SIG NGSW XM250 which is a light machine gun that will replace the SAW and the M240. For all the SAW gunners and machine gunners out there, you know how much of a nuisance the cumbersome and non-intuitive design of the older machine guns were.
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damn Skippy
Semi auto civilian versions have already been made. Don’t know when they will hit the civilian market though
@Darren Bates and about 20 grand to get all that done so.. same difference
@@vicdiaz5180 fuck semi auto
The SIG Rep knows his stuff!!! Seriously, he truly gets the engineering part of the equation. The ammo is what is gonna make this thing incredible. Big Army needs to really put a ton of money and effort into making the ammo badass. As a former M60 and M240 Gunner, I can say this system will be a dream for squad machine gunners. The fact that you have the ability to select Semi is fantastic. Sometime you don't need to dump a shit ton of ammo!! A good optic and an accurate weapon can quickly destroy the enemy with Semi-auto fire.
I remember getting yelled at by the range officer when I qualified on the M249 because instead of 3 to 5 round burst I was taking single shots lol. When I qualified expert all of a sudden it was the new thing 🤣
@Tommy Yuckguts now all they gotta do is lower their damn prices 😒
SIG marketing know their stuff...
i think this will be a great replacement in the saw role, but i think the new sig rifles will be relegated to special units. the average grunt can't handle that as an infantry rifle.
Seems that Mike is now a Sig rep. as well.
I was impressed to find out that this gun is fully semi-automaticable
And it even can use High Capacity clips /s.
this is why we need to ban bumpstocks
@@joeputney5748 Agreed, they are an abomination. Just legalize full auto on everything.
This comment thread made me laugh so hard I had to slap an atf agent
And that new word..
The fact that they're able to shoulder fire this is impressive. The M240 is a bear to shoulder fire. The recoil isn't bad but thats a lot of weight to hold out.
Why would you stand up and fire an M240 except for LOLZ. That's not what it's about.
@Johnny Pate I mean, I shoulder fired mine for the lolz when I was in the Marine Corps. That said, there are times it would be beneficial to be able to fire it from a position not supported by the bipod.
@@death31313 i alsp shoulder fired for lulz, but definitely better to hip fire it and walk trasers in. Its much more accurate outaide of the first burst
@Rick Sanchez I never go the hang of hip firing mine. I did have some limited success throwing a vertical forgrip on the side rail and chicken winging the stock under my armpit. Still those 240s are heafty so not great to shoot from a standing position.
Well the M240 isn't a squad light machine gun. It's a machine gun, meant for vehicle or based defense. Its not a viable gun to be lugging around the dessert
You said in the Mike Force podcast that you were going to shoot this bad boy, and you delivered!
Love to see it Big Mike!!
I feel that THIS platform was wildly needed. I’ve carried 249’s and 240’s and goddamn it can be rough. The 250 is awesome and I feel it will serve the line well.
The question is what will happen to the M240s in wpns squads. Will they be re-barreled to 6.8x51mm since it has a better MOA than the XM250 or will we be adopting MG338s because you know, there's no such thing as overkill.
@@josephdeliz3455 agreed. I feel like the MC will attempt to be different and adapt the 338 in the name of lethality and to be semi-unique, but ultimately with move to the 250. I feel the 338 is a better motorized infantry platform than the 250.
@@nicholasturano1003 Agreed, I'm just wondering if they will entertain having the MG338 on the dismount level seeing that it gives the line platoon near .50 capability while weighing a pound less than the M240L. The logistical problem would be supplying the .338 ammo and its weight consolidation (either Sig hybrid cases or True Velosity Plastic cases).
@@josephdeliz3455 I know my WPNS and CAAT sections would love the idea and the abilities it provides, but sadly it makes too much sense and idk how HQMC will react to that.
@@nicholasturano1003 Idk, since Sig now has the contract for the M17, XM5, and XM250 for the regular Army, it would make sense to adopt the MG338 which is already in service with SOCOM. Time will tell bud.
The rifle is extremely impressive if it can withstand the abuse. I am more impressed with Vortex NGSW-FC system. That optic makes this gun reach its full potential (no longer called optic but now its fire control system).
Optics are called optics because they are effectively just lenses. The NGSW-FC is called a fire control because it does more than just act as a lens. It does the compensation for distance, wind, slant angle, even coriolis effect, that used to take thousands of shots to learn and handwritten calculations to estimate.
havent heard of the Vortex system before. Seems bad ass. I carried a short barrel SAW with an ACOG when i was deployed back in 2010. I thought that was accurate enough. This fire control system is nuts. I am reading some stuff about it I didnt know they were fielding stuff like that already.
Takes all the attachments off and put them into one, allowing to master the further touching power of the rifle and AW - Perfect!
@@pauledwards9493 the main reason I loved the ACOG is because it didnt require batteries it used tritium and a fiber optic cable to power the sight. I am guessing this Vortex system runs on some type of battery power right?
Unless Vortex has done a 180 with their quality, this optic will be bad news. Their civilian stuff is pretty crappy compared to other brands of similar price. Leupold, Bushnell, Burris are all better at the top end (especially Leupold).
If that ammo can hold up reliability wise, this will be massive
The truth is if there’s a problem, Sig will fix it. It’s a green light across the board.
the ballistics of it seem pretty impressive! 3000 fps with a 135 grain projectile would love more info on it
Highly unlikely you can reload it.
@@thegoodguy729 You don’t shit.
@@thegoodguy729 100% reloadable according to SIG at Freedom Days. They say its got all the qualities of brass and that why they believed in it and why its the future.
Vortex announced in one of their videos that once they feel comfortable catching up with the contract which could be a while maybe a couple years they may hire some people To make the LPVO optic system for the civilian market.
The glass that goes to this weapon is going to be in the thousands for sure
On a Sidenote Mike looks like a piece of national treasure with a tiger stripe camo 💪🏾🇺🇸
@@jkush1687 no I did not misunderstood what Vortex said. They said they have a 10 year contract to fulfill first if they plan on hiring more team members they will produce for us over the civilian market that’s exactly what they said, so there’s no misunderstanding. Go watch the video yourself
@@vicdiaz5180 "The glass that goes to this weapon is going to be in the thousands for sure" - why do you think that?
@Getmadmaybe? You obviously have NO experience.
Try 10,000 or 20,000
@@mlentsch why do you think the optics they use won’t be at least 1,000 a good vortex lpvo is over a grand last time I checked if they use red dots then it would be around 500 to 1,000
The Marines have pretty much gotten rid of the automatic rifleman position all together, we are all issued m27s with suppressors and VCOGs as the standard issued rifle, it’s turned into a mess that overall has decreased our effectiveness in my opinion. It would be unbelievably beneficial for us to receive the new sigs.
The IAR was the dumbest contract ever considering the standard M16 already is cable of range far beyond what the average rifleman is capable of. IMO they should have gone with the fight light upper using a Colt LMG style lower receiver. This not only would provide part commonalty, but also a significantly lower overall price, weight, and weapon system longevity compared to proprietary belt feds. They really went with H&K just because its H&K, not that it provided any real advantage as a base of fire or some specific role.
I got out before the m27's were put into play, but as a 31 i'd slash some throats to get my hands on this.....less weight, smaller footprint, and the side opening tray is genius to put any optic on it now.....but the new command element i'm sure will screw this up.....just like ditching tanks
During WW2 many squad machine guns had a selection switch to let the shooter use it for multiple applications. The Germans used the MG34 for most of the war & it was an incredible dream weapon that could hit targets from a shocking distance, especially when on the mechanical tripods. The B.A.R also had a selection switch. The FG42 & the British top magazine one that I forget the name of did too. Idk why modern military machine guns got rid of this feature, but to me it just makes sense to bring it back!
The Bren machinegun
I’m really excited about getting my hands on the XM250 so much so that I might have to take a demotion when my unit gets them. With that said the XM5 doesn’t look to promising it looks heavy and cumbersome and I’m not sure the extra “capability” the XM5 could potentially provide will outweigh the bulk, recoil and weight. With that said I can’t wait to see what comes of it.
Xm5 (spear) is basically an ar10 built on the mcx platform (piston gas system). I just shot one yesterday chambered in 6.5 creed (they were reserving all the 6.8 hybrid ammo for the machine gun). It was awesome
The gun itself is only a pound heavier than the M4. It's the ammo that weighs a lot more.
@@billstevens5277 That's one pound before the Ammo, the suppressor, and the giant Vortex optic that weight almost three pounds alone. I really don't see this thing replacing the M4 wholesale.
@@mountedpatrolman Doesn’t the optic have a Ballistics computer in it that assists the shooter with aiming? I believe that was the purpose at least.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 from what I've seen, you just aim at your target. The computer calculates range temperate etc and it adjusts itself so you just place the crosshairs on target and squeeze.
It really dumbstruck down the marksmanship. All you have to be capable of is to hold a steady sight picture and not jerk the trigger.
The weight is a big deal. I remember getting brand new 240B when I was with 1/503 INF and was shocked when I learned how much heavier they are than the M60. I was a SAW gunner as well back in the day as a new Private 11B. This looks like a great upgrade for sure.
Get your hands on the m60e6 lighter shorter and reliable as he'll.
I’m very impressed. Just when you think it’s about as good as it can get. They make this and a standard issue weapon for the army. I was a marine, and I was always impressed with how the army kept up on technological advances. Use brains more then brawn.
Plus the Army gets more funding than the Marine Corps. :\
You're Still a Marine. Drop the "Was" Semper Fi
@@michaelschwab9563 rah
Wow, we come so far from our M60 days. That is absolutely amazing. The technology used in modern weaponry is out of this world. It's going to exponentially improve our war fighting capabilities. It's nothing like the M60 that I carried in the 1980's.
its not going to vastly improve it, its lighter with manageable recoil. It should keep the MG gunner a little happier, but where weight is lost - the military will find a way to add on pounds to make up for it.
I’ve bin doin little reading on them I think it’s awesome being a big sig fan anyhow thanks for takin us along an saw Lena was there an got to do some shooting to 👊
Keeping it belt fed was a great decision. The Marines can go their own way but I love the high volume of constant fire belt feds provide.
We love you too brother!! Thank you for everything you do, your awesome man!
Wait wait wait. Holy crap. Kyle Lamb, Jack Carr, and Mike Glover all on a range together. 😳
Plus Lena Miculek, Jerry Miculek's daughter 0:45
They’re all paid spokespeople for SIG.
@@coreyp9211 Good for them.
Thank You!! Sigsauer!!!! For your creation.. to give our troops the edge in combat.
Mike great channel! I really appreciate your views and knowledge. Actually just signed up for your pistol 1 & 2 class in June. Keep the program going!! Thank you 🙏🏻🇺🇸
Marine here, left Marine Security Forces joined the FMF in 3/8 Lima company and they issued me a SAW! Loved that MEffer! Carried it for 14 months! Oorah and Semper Fi!
I spent most of 20 years as a news cameraman. A range from Betacam SP to HDCam to XDCam then lighter shoulder mount like P2. That’s like considering a rifle vs the handheld cameras in news that are more like pistols.
That said, I dealt with heavy, too heavy, near ideal weight, and too light cameras for the shoulder. Personal strength, camera balance, then even factors like wind became an issue with lighter cams later on stability wise.
I have no doubt that mobility and then physical physics of each gun are a reality because I sure as hell felt it for most of two decades.
As said this hybrid ammo design will change internal ballistics moving forward. For all the hunter out there, this .277 Fury fires a 135gr round from a 16” barrel at the same velocity as a 270 WSM will from a 22-24” barrel. That’s amazing!
With roughly the same energy as a 175 grain .308…speed isn’t everything
@@drewsut6101 it is when you’re trying to go through body armor. That’s the purpose of this round.
@@drewsut6101 Energy measured at the muzzle. Sig claims this retains energy better than 6.5 Creedmoor.
It eats your barrel as well.
@@FT4Freedom i assume they will develop better barrel linings/coatings to deal with that. Im sure theres companies working on that right now.
I really want to believe SIG isnt paying you and GBRS too talk so great about it Sig and advertise them, but it’s hard.
its a self evident fact.
He’s one of the only people singing it’s praise. Kind of says a lot…….
Wow, makes my days with the old m14, seem like a muzzle loader. Well done, your a special vet.
Well, they are essentially stepping into that relm. We're going from a 6 pound carbine to a 9 pound rifle with heavier battle rifle like recoil. Just as we had with the m14.
@@CrazyPalidin57 i think all this started with using new .30HATE rifles as a markmens rifle in afgan . it worked really well i suspect the brass thought why cant we give this sort of power and range to every rifleman but in a lighter / less recoil package
Great interview! St. John is very knowledgeable and communicates his passion without reverting to an acronym soup. BZ
This is the first time’s I’ve actually seen Mike genuinely excited about something. 🤙
I’m really excited to see 277 fury start to hit store shelves, just bought a sig cross and plan to swap the barrel out for 277 when it starts to get more popular
You think this will mean a nice price reduction on 7.62?
@@Ace-zc9ys Eventually for a limited time, for surplus garbage, then all 308 will go up.
why not just go for 6.5 creedmore ??
What a bad ass of group of people! Mike, Kyle, and Annie Oakley! What a great time that would be! Much love and Respect brother🙏🏼🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏼
Surprised to see Lena Miculek making a cameo appearance
She works for sig and was at the sig event
She's used to shotguns so that gun was probably no problem for her
The P320 was my first ever pistola. I love my Sig.
I am not sure how I feel about the xm5 replacing the m4 . From what I am hearing the thing is stupid heavy and has heavy recoil. However the xm250 machine gun I think there is potential
Xm5 is ar 10 sized, and even takes the same sized mags. I just shot an mcx spear yesterday chambered in 6.5 creed. Shoots a lot like an ar10 too
never heard about anyone complaining about HK416 weight
HK416A5 with 16,5" barrel weights, for example, just a half pound less
@@sfdclay Now compare that to an M4, that's what the argument is
@@uglybastard4810 no the hk762 weighs a half pound heavier than the xm5
@@ThrashTillDeth85 no it isn’t. 556 is outdated and isn’t going to be used anymore as it didn’t have the range. You forget about the ngsw scope as well. Cry about it. 5.56 and the m4/m16 is going to be history and not the future, thank god. Stop crying over the fact our government is giving a better and deadlier weapon to our soldiers. I don’t understand you man babies crying over something you’ll never carry and never own let alone shoot. You can’t afford the gun or the ammo. Once again, cry about it.
Loving the clean cut look brother
Until Sig's quality control drastically improves, I'm sticking with other options. And time will tell if these new military contracts will last. Lots have been developed to "replace" M4s yet it's still the standard.
And so is 7.62
@@guntypesnlifegripes agreed
I own many SIG weapons and had zero issues.
If SIG really had a quality control issue like you claim the US military would’ve not chosen them. Every company has flaws with their firearms Glock, Smith & Wesson, Colt, The list goes on And SIG is no different.
They all have their quirks but they all perform well
@@vicdiaz5180 Your personal experience is irrelevant. It's not open for opinion about their quality control issues. It is public knowledge that they were almost $130 million cheaper than the other contracts that were up for bid. United States military choosing them because they're cheaper is not an endorsement. The Sig M17 failed basically every test for safety right out of the gate. Glocks don't. The 365 had multiple issues and went through several different builds just within the first 18 months. The XL is no different. Not even Taurus lately has had the number of issues that Sig has had the past five or six years. You can say "all firearms have quirks", but they don't at the level of Sig. That's just a fact. Sig is operating at this point on past reputation. because their guns are nowhere near the quality that they used to be
@@vicdiaz5180 Btw, Ron Cohen, the CEO of Sig, it's pretty much known as the death of quality control. You can look it up. He ruined Kimber the same way.
One of your best videos Mike. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's abundantly clear from the videos that it has _significantly_ more recoil than an M4. I'd love to know how they're making that claim. Are they comparing this on it's bipod to the M4 from the shoulder? That seems incredibly disignenuous.
the recoil mechanism for the machine gun lowers the recoil to an M4 level, but the m5 rifle doesn't have that, so its on par with a 308
I think they mean felt reciol and not muzzle rise
Jon's got it right.
@@josephmcguire8566 You can see it pushing people back way more than an M4.
They may mean peak force, but that's a horrible metric for felt recoil. At the end of the day, you can clearly see it pushing people around way more than an M4, so regardless of the basis for their claim, it comes across as completely disingenuous.
Stuff like this, paired with the over-use of technical jargon make me not want to buy guns from companies who do stuff like this.
@@jonisawesome69 I just watched the video of people shooting this gun. It doesn't. I'm not talking about the rifle, I'm talking about this machine gun. It clearly pushes people around way more than an M4.
Define "recoil". Peak force? Recoil Energy? "Perceived" recoil? (if so by who), muzzle rise? Average recoil force? Recoil Impulse?
The M60 was my baby, and I maybe really was a pretty big deal. 1st Bat., unjamming our platoons three guns between photographing the sitch., that one time in Panama. A Legend in my own mind.
Man, I would have loved this back in my day... a 27.6 lb 240b vs this 12.1 lb beauty! I lugged the 240 on many dismounted missions in Iraq. It sucked. The 240, between 400 - 500 rounds of ammo, and full battle rattle, was well over 100 lbs of gear hanging on my shoulders.
I used to carry the M60 with 1000 rods of ammo and the spare barrel kit. It sucked.
@@MrMojo271 Damn bro, hardcore! I guess I had the luxury of having an AB, he carried about 600 rounds, the barrel kit, the tripod, and his m4 and gear. Idk who had it worse, me or him!
Outstanding Video You filled in the gaps to a lot of questions
The Spear/XM5 is questionable, but the machine guns look great. Still think someone at Sig is giving handouts to whoever is choosing hardware in the military, though.
Ya think ??
...idk why anyone would think that 🙄
Why does the spear XM5 is questionable??? It has been performing flawlessly with no issues so far just like the LMG counter part
@@vicdiaz5180 The XM5 is a good weapon no doubt. I think the decision to replace the M4 with something bigger, heavier, and harder recoiling, is what is questionable.
@@vicdiaz5180 cuz it's heavy and clunky? Which is departing from the evolutionary trend of lighter and slicker set up?
Great, after so many years in the army now I have to learn how to break down all new weapon systems.
Give the Army an ounce in weight, it always finds an extra pound to make you carry. My guess is more batteries will sneak into the UBL. :)
🤣🤣 Very true statement my brother!
The stay right there we're going to film two guys one gun was the best line ever.. 😆
Would love to see this get torture tested, 8000 rounds at 100rpm until empty and see how many times it misfires or has a stoppage. I’ve seen 240s ran through since the gulf war still do this task just fine, wonder if it stacks up
I agree. I think it's a great saw replacement but 240s are heavy for a reason. I cant help but wonder what the barrel change intervals are with this and how it holds up to sustained fire the way a 240 does
@@herlongwilliam6558 what makes me nervous is that this caliber is 80k psi! I can only imagine that a barrel change will take place more often than a 240
@@herlongwilliam6558 How often does a 240 barrel need to be changed? Once changed out, does it only need to cool, and after how many rounds does it need to be replaced and/or repaired?
@@BlackDog500 yeah same in my unit. They just shoot them until they don't cycle for whatever reason.
@@hughmac13 yeah you're typically issued 2 barrels and a nomex barrel bag. You just alternate them as needed so they don't overheat. Usually every few minutes depending on how fast you're shooting. 240s look to have much heavier barrels than the sig and I belive the 308 generates a lot less heat per round than the new 6.8. The 240 is heavy because it is designed to keep up a higher rate of fire that a saw or mk48 can't. I'm curious to see how this new MG holds up to mounted use it looks much more like a light machine gun than a gpmg like the 240
I was also used to breach concertina wire once. I feel ya.. I feel proud knowing that my sacrifice helped my platoon notionally win that battle.
Damn, when I saw "civilian market" in the title. I thought this was somehow legal for me to own. Got excited for a second. :(
You did a body breach... frickin legend!
Love it. Its a big win. Great caliber for a machine gun!
But it’s a lousy caliber to replace the M4.
And we all know that
Why do you say that? I only hear good things about it. Its heavier for a rifle but thats what the government specifically asked for, more power, speed, penetration. Not to mention the other competitors options were absolutely insane. Maybe not fully crazy but definitely some sci fi sht that would never be implemented at least for the next 15 years for the sake of simplicity. They were super complicated and expensive composite polymer rounds. These are just "haha more metal go brrr" much easier transition and quick frankly a natural one
Walked passed you multiple times at the event and had no idea it was you. Unbelievably bummed I didn’t shake your hand haha!
would be interested to know more about the barrel cooling method. As a 240 gunner, barrel changes and understanding rates of fire to manage your barrel changes is extremely important. I cant see a way to detach the barrel, so just a general question that Ive always had.
You pee on it to cool it. No barrel changes needed
@@aztronomy7457 lol
I thought the same thing. I am sure they have a plan, would have like to hear it.
Remember the asbestos gloves? Yeah that's the only way to do it so far as they had to delete the handle to keep the gun under weight limits
The barrel is easily swappable as seen in other videos of the weapon. The Army did not want a quick change barrel but Sig snuck in that feature by simply not adding a handle to the barrel. When the Army wants the quick change barrel feature it will be extremely simple to add.
I went to PLDC with St. John at Fort Benning, holy crap did we get old. he was a freakishly good shooter.
Lol. Mike saying “Sig, stands for quality” had me chuckling. *cough cough multiple recalls cough cough*
Barely any manufacturer has a flawless history.
@@naphtha4843 exactly.
Better than Colt.
Was a SAW gunner for three years this will change alot for us. Love the weight reduction and change of fire mode
Personally as a civilian I find a 100round drum of 5.56 with alternating M855 and VMax bullets one after the other for penetration/expansion and using a 16in PWS Mk116 Mod 2 long stroke piston design for sustained fire. I almost went with a belt fed Fightlite MCR upper, but I found paying for some drum mags was the easier option than dealing with belt feds and I can spread the mags around to other AR’s that I have. That was my thinkin anyways. For the money, I haven’t saved any here lol, I instead bought one nice PWS system, another pdw setup, and more with multiple drum mags all for the same costs…still, a belt fed upper will be mine one day. Also get an FRT everyone, we all could shoot a little faster.
That lightness is very impressive! I'm glad you pointed out that this can replace both the M249 & the M240. That's something not too many are talkinng about, but this cartridge eclipses the 7.62x51mm as well as the 5.56x45mm. The case is deceptively innovative. There will be very little machining to the brass other than stamping out the powder container. The casehead is machined separately and then just stamped onto the brass. This will actually save some money and material.
Been looking forward to this video! Cant wait to see how these weapons will change how the US Army fights in the coming years ahead.
I appreciate the work you do. Keep it up!
It's amazing what a company can achieve with true leadership with a vision, and aggressive investment in technology and growth. Say what you want about Sig but you don't go from almost bankrupt to leading the industry in the military and commercial sectors by chance.
Yeah you can do that by paying the right people though :D
@@RonJeremy514 how can you pay anyone when you are near bankruptcy lol with what magic money are people gunna take to even give you and your compnay a shot when everyone knows you are in the shitter
@@RonJeremy514 The other competitors for the contract were even bigger players in the defense industry. If payouts win the game, Sig wouldn't be coming out on top. Sig won because they listen to what people want.
A very clear and concise review, thank you
If the civilian version of the M5 gets into peoples hands, the wild pigs in Texas won't be safe. 😉 Crazy how light this NGSW is, while being low recoil, and shooting a much more potent round than the SAW.
The civilian version might not come with a built-in suppressor.
@@fallinginthed33p Once they get past the limited edition or whatever they're calling it it's not, cause those are meant for as issued this is the package you get. The full production are not gonna come with it standardly as that cuts down sales due to the nfa requirements from the can
they took the same principles of successful feature delivery platforms, lots of small iterative changes, the ability to innovate with the same product with continuous integration and continuous delivery. good stuff man. thanks, SIG!
I see it costing so much it'll be well over a decade before we see at the local range if ever.
It's about two to three bucks a round, and (sort of) available now. Look for Sig .277 Fury, it's the same round. They already released the MCX Spear commemorative ($$$$!), but the cheaper mass production model is coming, and the Sig Cross bolt rifle can also chamber this. As a bonus they also make a full brass load for a bit less money (and less velocity) if you want to just do range training, and it's still a capable round at 60k PSI, with a great BC. And as Lake City starts ramping up to make this stuff by the millions, it'll get even cheaper. Something else to consider, even 316 stainless is significantly cheaper per ton than brass (and lighter), so the cartridge bottom in stainless can actually be cheaper to make and is lighter per round than full brass.
Also expect to see places like BA, Faxon, etc start cranking out AR-10 DPMS pattern barrels (and possibly bolts) for 6.8x51 DI gas guns, wouldn't be surprised if DD and Knights get in on the 6.8x51 bandwagon converting their current DI 7.62x51 platforms too. And for sure all the bolt rifle players will be doing the same for Howa, Remington, etc actions. Hell, somebody might even make a SCAR-17/20 conversion barrel.
@@Croak1 Nice thank you
@@Croak1 it will be interesting to see how the bolt and chamber holds up with the contact from the steel case.
@@saltysaty8686 Shouldn't be an issue with either with proper metallurgy and treating of the bolt. We've come a long way since Carpenter 158.
Chamber and barrel can probably be made just like now with the same quality steel and manufacturing techniques used in good "regular" barrels. I imagine the steel case head SIG uses is softer steel than say 416r most barrels are spun from.
@@aarondilley5266 The limited edition with inconel suppressor is $8k, the commercial MCX Spear model will probably be around $2500-$3000, a bit more than the MCX Virtus, but not like it's SCAR or SASS money.
But just like the MCX Virtus, it'll probably be in short supply and bringing more than retail in the used market for awhile.
Former Old Guard bro, Bravo Co, no shame. We learned a different set of skills, just have to learn the more high speed stuff somewhere else. Good vid, I haven't been paying attention so this MG caught me by surprise.
Sig is lining pockets in DC
You guys are such a professional outfit... Thank you for the content--btw Im a psychotherapist outside of of Boston MA -- there is significant support for veterans in the Mass General Brigham (MGB) healthcare system!
it's my opinion that the ngsw rifle will sort of go the way of the scar. at least on the civilian market. the ar15 became America's favorite rifle because it was affordable and versatile with plentifal ammo. while the new rifle is versatile, it's certainly not cheap.
When did ar15’s start becoming affordable? When every gunmaker and their mother started making them? I think the same could happen with the spear if sig allowed other gunmakers to replicate their designs. It could happen, but will it?
@@sfdclay realistically? 30 years from now lol
The Ar-15/223 isn't going anywhere in our lifetime. What I think happens is this style of round/rifle/gun makes big headway in the 308/6.5 Creedmoor market and then the "mainstream" 223/556 market remains what it is for a long time. I think they can co exist. I'm not sure how effective the spear will be at replacing the M4.
how fast civilian adoption occurs will depend on how broadly sig will be able to license the technology. as said in the vid, in theory the high pressure casing could be extended to already existing calibers... that is indeed an exicting and revolutionary advancement... bravo
@@CS-fp1ik I wonder what performance we could get when we apply the Ammo technology to existing calibers (.223/5.56, 6.5 Creedmore, 7.62x51)
I humped the M60A1 and was an M60AG during Op Just Cause. That Sig sounds unbelievable!! I’m slobbering at this video.
My biggest issue of the contract is the spear. The weight of the ammo more specifically. I think in a DMR role it will be great. But as a standard infantry rifle might not be the best option due to weight and lower ammo counts. I do love the XM250 though.
It’s a smaller bullet with a 308 casing. They’re going for stopping power for the regular infratry men so this is perfect. It is said they can reach out pretty far with a 13 inch barrel
@@vicdiaz5180 It's also about 20% lighter per round than 7.62.51. Not as easy to tote as 5.56, for sure, but not as bad as some folks expect. For instance, a 7 mag combat load with 20rds each is around 13 pounds for .308, and around 10 pounds for 6.8x51. Makes even more sense when toting 100rd belts, 8 pounds per .308 belt (not counting links or box) vs 6 pounds for 6.8x51. As a machine gunner, that's like getting your sidearm weight for free just in ammo weights! Or a Level IV SAPI plate. That shit adds up.
I agree with M1. This is a stupid idea. Let’s make everyone belt fed snipers and carry big long guns with supressors to make them even longer. They will be heavier than any mk12, m110, or scar H. It’s like Vietnam and the M14 never happened. Big army never learns. Can we get our arms back from the taliban?
if they do the hybrid case 5.56 they may not need to replace the M4
@@jeremyshackleford3058 Did you not get that the XM5 has a 13" barrel and without the can is lighter than a SCAR-20 (with, you know, a 20" barrel) but with better ballistics? With the can, it's still shorter and still outshoots the SCAR in .308 or 6.5CM.
Can we give a round of applause for Mike's very subtle and sparse but always filthy sense of humor??? 👏👏👏😂
Man Sig is paying EVERYONE to push their products
This is like a damn infomercial. “If you call within the next 30 minutes, we’ll throw in a Romeo 5 red dot, a $100 value, ABSOLUTELY FREE.”
Glock fanboy crying never changes.
@@EtherFox the army contract went to sig because the army always chooses the lowest bidder, not because they are better.
@@callum1465 they chose it because it was celery superior to the futuristic, one-off designs of the other two bidders. This is progress and the fact that it happens to be cheaper is win-win for everyone.
@@EtherFox if I'm a Glock fanboy then I'm the world's worst Glock fanboy. I own zero Glocks and own multiple Sigs, and I think Glocks are way overrated in this day and age with superior options. Also, this is a machine gun, why they hell are you bringing Glock handguns into this and comparing them to a military machine gun? You are daft.
Awesome video! Thank you for the info and, as always, thank you for your service.
Same amount of felt recoil as an M4??? You’re out of your mind. It almost knocked that girl over
Glover rocking the VMFA(AW)-224 tiger stripe swag
How expensive/difficult would it be to design a similar system with constant recoil like on an Ultimax or Knight's LAMG? Because that seems like a real game changer.
Knights got knocked out of this competition in the first round. So… this is logically better
So many good things to say about it.
Loved shooting it.
If felt like a precious instrument, and not a general direction spray.
Lena is a badass!!
I need this in a bunkered position in the hallway in my house. Feels necessary and practical.
I think the real reason sig won was this machinegun... it really seems like a huge step up from the 240/249.
Sir I will have you know Christ himself consulted on the invention of the 240.
@@baronvonsnazzy3355 But this is better
@@PeterMuskrat6968 maybe, it’s definitely lighter. I really haven’t looked into the ballistics of the .277 fury cartridge. Definitely better then the m249
Camera guy getting sprayed with hot brass just for the shot! That’s dedication!
2:48 "Sig just won the contract"... I'm curious if they "won" the contract or did they "earn" it? 🤔
Well the Textron was obviously a cludge, no way that was gonna win. The Beretta rifle seemed nice but their SAW proposal was really weak, just a longer barrel and bipod on the standard rifle. Sig were once again the only ones to meet all of the requirements, just like in the MHS program.
@@thegoldencaulk2742 it was a reference to military people correcting civilians when they say "you don't win medals, you earn them". Was my joke that obscure?
Awesome to see. Thanks for the content.
I'd like to see ballistic armor penetration and longer engagement distance tests.
Also. How will the above affect CQC, assuming both metrics appear (at least on paper) to exceed current conventional 5.56x45 ballistics.
With a 135 grain round going 3,000 fps out of the 13 inch barrel, I bet we don't even have to stack up anymore, just shoot through the walls as long as it's confirmed there's no non combatants inside. Collateral damage may be an issue
@@josephdeliz3455 As fun as that sounds, I wonder if a new lower velocity AP CQC round might be developed, that would increase lethality on targets with or without body armor.
For example, a 6-60ft round that resists over penetration by breaking up inside the thoracic cavity once it penetrates plates.
@@wolfza2630 Once it's out, it's all open market. Probably, we'll see.
Approved the first P 226 for 3/3. Knew this day would come. Great video.
As a saw gunner I'm concerned how that insane pressure effects barrel erosion
If you use bog standard 416R stainless steel you should, but as they are saying "advanced modern materials", if you use better barrel materials like let say maraging steel grade 350 then its no problem (that thing easily withstand 2,000 Mpa like nobody's business).
This is great! It gave me chills too miss my 11B days and wish I could still be in now just to get to shoot this thing!
And you thought Sig handguns had a height over bore problem.
I’m sorry you got disrespected in the army. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. We appreciate it.
That gun looks big in your hands mike. I cant imagine that system being convenient or even really feasible for an average sized infantryman to be able to pick that up and operate it effectively and efficiently.
It weighs almost half the weight of an M240...
Children will keep the m4 😎
Well, try manhandling a M249 SAW (5.56), let alone a M240B (7.62x51). This thing looks look a sports car compared to those gun trucks. :)
@@TheTeehee11111 thats all fine and dandy but the thing is long especially with the suppressor mounted. Seems unwieldy. Ill never get my hands on one so ill never be able to really know first hand but that would just be my outward observation. Everyone in a platoon or squad should be able to effectively and efficently operate every other piece of equipment in that unit or else you lose combat effectiveness.
Very Nice. Thank you Sig
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Props on the thoughtful reply
The Grunts are going to love it!
No recoil? Must be why everyone was leaning into it so hard. 🙄
Utilizing very much seasoned shooters to demonstrate its performance, part of the deception that the industry did way back to show how manageable the M14 was on full auto back in that rifles early days.
You have to have shot other MGw and it to understand the hype. They say no recoil because, when the thing feels less than half as heavy as other MGs, when it doesn't push or jump nearly as much as those others, it makes you feel like it comparably doesn't recoil.
Charlie K, stop making bs up, clown.
For a light machine gun-ITS A FUCKING MACHINE GUN CHAMBERED IN 6.8!!!! No one said it doesn’t have any recoil. Don’t be dumb.
@@EtherFox he’s not making anything up. This rifle clearly has a lot of recoil... it doesn’t matter how light it is if a soldier can’t keep his rounds on target
@@EtherFox Perhaps you can stand to learn a little about history before you think about labeling others as a clown. Because you are the only one looking as such. You don't even seem to understand that most people aren't weary of the machine gun, but it's rather the rifle that we have caution about.
Such a good video! Seriously really enjoyed the content! Very exciting!
Its nice, but working gun retail, when are they going to be producing enough to keep up with demand? Ive seen 2 MCX's in like 2 years.
True, all the mcx guns are so nice, I’d love to see them become more attainable
Amazing. I'm glad our men and women on the battlefield will be getting the very best this country can offer. USA made is a HUGE bonus. Great job, SIG! Great video Mike, love the new doo!
It's no different than FN. All of our FN M4's and M16's are made in South Carolina.
The M240 isn't going away for one simple reason: tanks.
The M1 tank platform uses M240 7.62 machine guns for both the loader and as a coax anti-personnel weapon for the gunner. While the loader M240 could probably be easily changed over to this new platform with just a mount & pintle swap on the loader's hatch ring, the entire coax system inside the M1 would have to be ripped out and replaced as well as the entire M1 sight and computer system. In other words, "not gonna happen". And if you're not going to change one of them then the other isn't going to be changed either because you want that commonality between the two not only for spare parts reasons but ammo as well.
As far as the 6.8 bi-metal cartridge itself...why? Who are they switching to a cartridge that can't be reloaded? Can it even be recycled? Granted, it should make range cleanup even easier since poor Private Snuffy can now just walk around with a big magnet on some paracord and sweep the range clean thanks to that new stainless steel base, but how much testing has been done in regards to how two different metals - stainless steel & brass - that are mated with each other survive in bad weather environments over time, especially damp and wet and salt-water environments?
And how long did the Army actually trial this thing?
This all seems pretty damn sudden and fast for not only two new weapons platforms but also an entirely brand-new caliber as well as a brand-new cartridge design.
I have my doubts.
See if they had gone with TV sure they would have been stuck with a awkward Automatic rifle as a new LMG but they could have overhauled all the 7.62 guns with just a barrel swap including those in constrained mounts like those in coax positions. Would have also gotten a better rifle out of the deal instead of the spear
Agree with you on most points,but stainless steel is not very magnetic.
Its ok I wouldnt ramble furthermore the new awesome machine guns probably wont go to pogs
I love my SIGs.. salute to the team making our men and women more capable on the battlefield
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1980's I was 11B, 135 pounds and carrying an M60. 🤭
This looks Operator AF...🤙
M60 for life! God bless! 🇺🇸💪😎👍🇺🇲
Few things compare to humping "the pig" around!
When I went through PLDC a guy who disliked me pretty intensely made me the RTO, run point, and carry the M-60.....miserable for me, but really pointed out his leadership abilities...😂
Great video! Thanks for the info