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Why the NATO Polish Army Uses Soviet PKM Machine Gun
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When Poland joined NATO they weren't ready to say good bye to their PKM. Instead of switching to the M240 they made their own version of the PKM that could fire the NATO 7.62 x 51mm belt fed ammo. That sounds easy but it actually took a ton of engineering and re tooling.
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What do you think of the NATO version of the Soviet PKM? Is adding more PKM's to the Russian regular infantry squads a good idea?
"PK is the pinnacle of general purpose machine guns" not even close, that honor goes to the Ultramax th-cam.com/video/R1zQuWpsYZY/w-d-xo.html
*cough*
We only have 1 light weight machine gun.
The 249 is now an automatic rifle - so medics can carry it. If it was a machine gun -which it totally is not - medics could not carry it.
And here is a video about the newest Russian tank, supporting the airborne forces :
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Excellent idea and by the way there is a NATO version of the Soviet NSV HMA IT'S the Polish WKM-B
When are you gonna be at demolition ranch?
Just some additional info: being a NATO country In Hungary we still use it as the standard LMG in the infantry, also we were deployed to Afghanisthan with them.
Although not a NATO country and probably never will be, PKMs are the standard LMG in Finland as well. In fact the video starts with a picture of Finnish peacekeeper 0:03, didn't even notice until someone pointed it out in the comments. Pretty weird choice but maybe it looks kind of cool so who cares. 😄
So does the Croatian Armed Forces
It is the best SAW in the world! The best ever designed and the round is excellent!
It was always cool to see these PKM's on your MRAPS :D
@@taekatanahu635 Why does Finland use so many Russian weapons/vehicles? Is it because they are cheaper?
We used PKM’s consistently during my time with a specific PMC company in 2013. They’re extremely lethal, reliable and quick to train up on.
So they're like an AK47 but bigger?
@@suacemanaquiatan9380 Nah they have.a very different role to a standard AK. The 7.62x54 is an absolute beast of a round and it punches through anything it touches and just keeps going while being able to suppress the enemy.
@@HeroGenix ok, Filipino here, because I don't know much about guns, just knives and bolo
@@suacemanaquiatan9380 PKM has the same operating system just flipped upside down and it's an open bolt design.
@@paulbarclay4114 Where's that info based on? The tank variant(PKT) has an maximum effective range of 1000 meter while the PKM has the effectice range of about 600 meters.
PKM stands for Perfect Killing Machine
People Killing Machine, duh
People's "Let's Go Brandon"
@@m1a1abrams3 lmao
@@m1a1abrams3 Joe Biden whaa?
Nah, when I was in war zone Kosovo 98' we just called her "the broom" or "Ceca" (pronouncing "tze-tza") after serbian famous female popular folk singer Ceca Ražnatović, cuz when she starts to sing its mess on terrain lol...
The Finns use these in the defence forces, like the first picture of a finnish peacekeeper in the intro. Gonna try to get my hands on one when i get my callup next year.
I had the same feelings about getting my hands on our mg3. 😁 Didn't expect it to be so bloody heavy and dirty though. A bitch to clean as well.
Moikka saksasta. 🇩🇪🇫🇮
I’ll probably be able to handle the Ultimax for my NS. I want to feel that constant-recoil action.
@@elongated_musket6353 idk how heavy or unwieldy the ultimax is but it looks like it could be one good ass assault rifle
You will probably get to shoot one. But trust me, you don´t want the job of the squad machinegunner. You are going to carry a heavy weight with you all the time and very occasionally will you get to shoot it. It´s not a job you want, trust me on that one.
@@sebastianriemer1777
A loaded PKM weights a bit less than a unloaded MG3 so its not that bad. Personally I didn't consider it heavy at all but then again I was the guy who voluntarily carried extra sand weights on marches and was nicknamed Sherpa.
Why did NATO make a version of the PKM? Uh, because it's bad ass.
take my hooah thumbs up and have a nice day
Damn right
Why did not NATO make version of PKM? Uh, because it's bad ass.
or because most of its life the US used the M60 that was about 4 lbs heavier than the 7.62x54 PKM and the 12- 13 lbs Stoner 62 (7.62) was too weird - pricey - not politically connected enough...
@@Taskandpurpose also, to add a potential reason the tests found the M60 superior back in the day, the criteria by which the guns were measured was likely very different than today's criteria.
Just a little correction - Bulgaria and Romania weren't Soviet Republics, but allies in the Warsaw Pact.
good looks, thanks
@John Doe Actually yes
@@yaroslavprotsenko4116 So I take it they were completely soverign states technically?
@John Doe Squeezed between two superpowers there is no such a thing as independence. Back then when Soviets said, “jump” they did not ask why but "how high" And today, they are still jumping, just for different master and for different reasons
I caught that too
0:55
Chris trying so hard to eat a disintegrated link
nom nom nom, NATO links taste better
@@Taskandpurpose Sure you're ex-Army and not Ex-Marine?
@@berry2791 Of course he's sure, that wasn't a crayon
@@Taskandpurpose Dud wtf is the map at 0:44???
i am pretty sure that Turkey is not next to Italy and was never a Soviet state
@@efirizaki6457 do you have eye problems or smth cause Turkey on the map is not red
Soviet PKM has rescued the life of me and my friends in the platoon.We had German MG3 machine guns that in the dust and muddy ground was horrible! It was malfunctioning again and again in the time of enemy attack and we became completely out gun and out fire . Then fortunately one guy managed to prepare one PKM which belonged to enemy and has been captured in previous battle. It fiered smoothly and continuously without any problem and saved us at that horrible night .
I've never understood the hype the MG3/MG42 get with Wehraboos saying ridiculous things like "the best machine gun ever." They're, at best, mediocre. Their reliability and accuracy is poor compared to other machine guns. Most importantly their excessively high rate of fire is a huge downside, resulting in tons of wasted ammo and less trigger time. I'd take an M240B if I was in an entrenched position, and I'd take a PKM or Lights Armament LAMG in an assault. I would never pick the MG3.
There is a reason ALL militaries do not use high ROF LMGs anymore.
@@weasle2904 Well in my eyes the "hype" surrounding the mg3 is justified but only because i Serve in the german army and understand the training and doctrine we have for mg's. For german MG tactics there could not be a better mg than the mg3 because its a so called "schweigewaffe" or silent weapon that is used as little as possible and only if necessary. And if it is used we do it in such a way to down as many enemies as possible. Its not used to kill Single enemy soldiers nor is it used for exessive supressing fire. More like "Oh a squad or two are advancing ok our Position. Mg fire...ok most of them are down or have taken Cover mg cease fire riflemen are taking over" i hope that Puts things into perspective. And for the MG3 beeing unreliable and inaccurate. I've never seen a Well maintained mg3 fail with live ammo and i know soldiers that can reliably Hit Single targets at up to 600 meters with the iron sights.
@@justintimm9078 That reminds me of this video of german soldiers shooting a browning mg. You really could see that german soldiers normaly shoot with a way higher rate of fire.
@@jonasklapper2875 exactly and we try to preserve ammo as much as possible
@Bronski Turboski I think even the most disciplined soldiers will agree with me that guns should serve the soldier, not disturb him. The soldier's strength and energy should not be spent on cleaning and maintaining weapons more than usual. A good weapon is the least inconvenient for a soldier.
The SVD rifle also fits into this Russian doctrine as it is not meant as a Sniper rifle, as many seem to think, it's meant as a very mobile squad support for longer engagements. Like the PKM
Yeah, SVD is more like a Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR)
@@BluePegasus1381 Yeah thats what I was gonna say
The SVD has never been known for pinpoint accuracy at 1,000 meters or even 200. But it does what its supposed to do. I'll take an AR in 7.62 NATO if it doesn't go over 11 pounds. With a top notch barrel that's not too thick, like a truck axle, its very capable of being a primary sniper rifle and light enough for DMR.
@@daneaxe6465 SVD with the designated Soviet ammo (7N1) is a MOA out to 600 meters.
@@daneaxe6465 SVD is pretty shit without 7n1 and 7n14. Most other 7.62x54r rounds arn't designed for max accuracy with the SVD
I love Polish firearms ingenuity they are genius. The way they modified the AKM into the Tantal was awesome.
in polish we call this "kombinowanie" - a matter of necessity after being invaded, occupied etc. when you are poor you need to work with what you got. all the best mate:)
@@ineffige ah cool thanks for the response! I personally think the Tantal is one of the best AK designs. I much prefer the added auto/burst selector.
@@Trumplican Apparently that addition makes AK unreliable. According to people I've talked to from both regular army and from time Poland still had conscripts, Tantal and Beryl rifles, as Beryl is essentially a Tantal in .223, jam due to overengineered burst fire system
@@witol96 hmm could be. I know someone with an SOT license that has a couple and they run great but that of course is just one. it is possible that some have issues due to the burst/auto selector.
@@Trumplican Tantala już dawno nie ma bo to kaliber 5, 45
"It's actually the world's second oldest military cartridge still in use.
It's like getting hit by a time machine."
This is why I watch this channel XD
"Dimitri... Load the vintage 1910 belt."
Do you know what the first one is?
@@harryjoe860 I know i am late but propably .45
@@auchan5093 9mm is from 1901 .45 is from 1905 7.62x54r is from 1891
He’s sadly wrong, the 54R I S the oldest serving military cartridge, he’s got it wrong this time sadly.
I served on T-55 which comes with a PKT - that is the PK modified for use in a tank. The PKT was the one piece of equipment which always worked no matter what. It is as reliable as the AK.
Since its rounds were considerably cheapter than those of the 12,7mm DSK, not to mention the gun shells, it was also the one piece of equipment we canstantly used and, consequently, the one we could hit the target with every time. While we would hit the target using the 100mm main gun in less than 30 % of the cases, we would hit the PKT targets at 1000 meters almost 100% of the cases. We even tried to shoot at rabits using the PKT when our commanders were not looking, but we could not hit them. One needs to react too fast to shoot a rabbit using a machine gun that moves the same way the main gun does.
7.62x54 esp say API or marking round vs rabbit are you sure you didn't hit and just thought it disappeared? Grin
@@potatoradio We would see the rabbits when the tanks were on the move through the firing field, the target field. They would run scared in front of the machine. By the time the gunner turned the turret (and the T-55's turret moves slowly), the rabbits were usually gone. A tank turret is not meant to be used in this way. Perhaps we would have been more sucessful with a PKM, but we were tankmen and had PKT only.
mora da si naš :)
that's some creative way to use a machine gun on a Tank as a sniper "rifle"
@@congthanhtruong89 We were looking for any small way to escape the tedium of the army life. We were forcefully drafted and did not want to be there. The tank shown in the movie is not associated with war in my head (let alone with the Bond BS), it is associated with slavery.
Really good video. Unfortunately, you didn't really talk about the history of the gun, which is., in fact, quite fascinating.
I thought I went into a little bit towards the end of the video talking about how Kalashnikov developed it. was there a more specific part of the history you were interested in?
Ian McCappy?
Oh hi Vlad!
@@Taskandpurpose Well, Kalashnikov and his team were never involved in the original design project. The prototype developed by Nikitin almost completed technical trials, but since Nikitin had no competition, he was taking his time which pissed off the military.
They contacted Kalashnikov and urged him to get involved, at least on paper, to "scare" Nikitin, so he would finish the work ASAP. But instead of being a "scarecrow" in this design competition, Kalashnikov got really into the project and in record time developed a new machinegun, which pissed off the military industry officials who already started setting up manufacturing for the Nikitin's machinegun.
It was a long story of infighting, deception, flashy presentation,s, and rigorous testing, and I think it is fascinating. We all know how it ended. Later on, Nikitin designed NSV 50 caliber MG, proving once again that he was a talented engineer.
Ironically, NSV is the second gun USSOCOM wanted along with PKM.
@@machaksilver Hi Vlad, didn't expect you here. greetings from Germany 😁✌🏼
Recently UKM2000 was developed further by the Polish military to the shorter version. Lighter and designed for special forces and recon squads. The name of of it is UKM 2020s
0:50 ! What kinda wacky map is that ? a WTF worthy map for sure
Just opposite cold war alternate timeline
i got headache lol
@@Snp2024 check the location of Italy in that map and on a real map...
Was about to say.
That's a person who forces the pieces of the puzzle together, half of the pieces looked half right, but then the some regions started all over again. Must've been at least two puzzles mixed into one in that case.
@@Doorsofprcptn i just took a second look at that map … look at that thing 😂 sweeden on the mediterranean and italy almost near turkey and on the black sea! Make my head hurt
At page 6 they say that the testingconditions of the foreign guns were not great and a direct comparision wasnt possible
Honestly, I figured my audience was like me and didn't know how to read. Didn't expect you to go digging.
jokes aside, they still made comparisons with that additional note that the results of their tests weren't going to be perfect. They noted it was hard for them to find replacement parts or to correctly mount it to armor I think, so they questioned if those tests were accurate.
You're missing one important variant, the PKPM (GRAU 6P41M), which has released in the past couple years. It's a modernization kit that adopts many of the special force's Pecheneg-SP modifications for standard infantry.
And the bullpup conversion kit for the special force too
@@pod1803 That shit is cursed.
@@G-Mastah-Fash Nope, it's Russian... 😎 (but yes, pretty wierd in fact)
@@pod1803 It'd be alright if it weren't for the 45 degree slanted belt box mounting. I know it's real tacticool to slant your sights nowadays but this is going a bit far.
Don't forget that backpack fed version.
Actually, the 7,62x54R is the longest serving rifle cartridge. It was first issued in the Mosin Nagant and Russian Winchester Lever Action 1895.
It was one of the first high pressure, smokeless powder cartridges.
Two words: "rimmed casing". Generally speaking the PKM works so well because it uses a feeding system that can work only with rimmed cartridges, but these are inferior when it comes to magazine feeding because of the dreaded "rim-lock" problem. Therfore the
ex-soviets have a better GPMG, NATO has better DMRs.
can't we have it all??
@@Taskandpurpose Yes! Isn't that kinda the point of the NGWS after all? To have a better MG overall?
I wouldn't say that rimmed is that much better for gpmg's. Considering both sides were involved in proxy conflicts that stress logistics, the rimless and more dense-packing western belts scale better at being stuffed into crates and consequently trucks. Also generally more efficient case design achieves slightly more out of a lighter cartridge mass-wise, while using lighter belts too
@@Taskandpurpose Yes let's replace all the guns with one perfect superweapon. That'll surely work!
@@signe_stilett Yep, it's not like literally everyone got away from rimmed cartridges for no reason, it's just appens that in the particular application of being "stripped" from a belt having a rim makes everything a bit more simple. In my opinion NATO can get to the same level of mechanical efficency by moving forward with cased ammo instead of moving back to rimmed cases.
Good to see a content about polish military
they're one of my favorite allies!
I live next to military unit in Poland and i love hearing pkm in the distance
@@2by22 I could only imagine the awesome
Thanks
@@Taskandpurpose so when You come here for little visit?
Poland has 5.56x45 AKs and 7.62x51 PKMs
they by default have the best guns in NATO
We use KBK beryl wz96 or wz2004. This rifle uses 5.56x45 NATO ammunition, but we are currently rearming the msbs grot
I would take a 5.45 AR over a 5.56 AK personally.
Modularity is everything, Armalite didn't just design a new gun, they designed a platform, with everything captive and standardized specialists can perfect each part.
AK is old school, great tech for the time (they waited until they could fold the thousands of unused frying pans, and auto-feeding tech was solid). But it's just a rifle, the AR can be anything.
@@abstractapproach634 I mean you're mostly right
but the AK can be similarly as modular as the AR
though I guess it is a tad heavier
but yeah honestly same
Preatty much everyone in NATO, who used the PKM before, keept on using it. Great machine gun. No reason to replace it.
Thers no need to change thing thats work
Same as with the west and the browning m2. It does everything you want for its role besides make coffee.
Its NATO the only reason they need to replace the pk is make money
@@oniecchi Well, I don't want to rebrand NATO as a Non-profit Agency. But NATO really doesn't want to make money.
@@oniecchi it's about interoperability more than money.
Love the PKM...
I have used m84 (Serbian version of pkm) and it is amazing weapon.Once I fell during changing position and stuck barrel into sand and bloody m84 kept spraying bullets while sand was leaking.It is also very precise.Serbian infantry platoon in 2003. was using 9 m84 (2 per 3 squad plus 3 in weapon squad (in tripod version with 3 soldier as crew (they carry 2 large ammo box, 2 smaller and reserve barrel beside m84 and tripod).
Great chanel by the way, many greetings from Belgrade, Serbia.
Polish people once domesticated a bear, and made a soldier out of it, so making PKM into more humane NATO version wasn't much of a problem...
Poland. Or as gamers call it, *Proland.* _The pro level pvp server for Russians & Germans_
As a pole I can confirm this. Last hour I saw a couple of T90's fighting some leopards in the mountain
Has permadeath as well
Poorland
Something like Polands's UKM-2013 makes sense. A whole bunch of NATO countries were former Eastern block countries. Basic familiarity with the AK platform and PKM would naturally lead to development and adoption of modified/modernized (to NATO standard) variants of those same weapons. Their robust reliability would be another contributing factor.
@@autistic_m4a3_76w_hvss en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Progress_Index
At the end of 2021 with a score over 85 in SPI Poland will pass USA moron. And it's rated in High-Income Countries group which is some 22+2 members club.
PKP appreciation Friday.
One of my favorite gpmg designs, everything I've seen and heard about use is glowingly positive.
Integrated handle on top is less comfortable than pkm one. Now you have seen negative feedback)
Ive had this one in the military. there are mostly pros, but few cons to PKP compare to PKM.
1500 yrds down range max fire distance gives the Polish a huge advantage. 2x - 3x the std fire range of the M4 carbine (500m), it has brutal fire power. The box canister used for ammo means to it doesn't have to be reloaded every few seconds - it doesn't have to be belt fed by another troop. Very practical weapon.
300m point range, 500m area on an M4, so not quite - but if you need high cycling firepower down on groups of Ivans it would do its job efficiently.
You can't compare the pkpsp to an m4 lol totally different weapon platforms.
You can compare the pkm variants to our 7.62 lmg variants. Probably soon to be 6.8mm lmg variants.
Good luck operating Pkm without at least an ammoman, lol. Mechanized get away with it, sort of, by leaving most of their ammo in the vehicle. In infantry? Yeah, no, you do have to operate a GPMG as a GPMG
The maximum effective range of pkm is 600 meters, even the sights don't go further than that.
The 240 goes 1100. And its a more accurate weapon at that distance.
Better question is - why not? There are some Warsaw Pact equipment types that are simply not produced in NATO despite having a battlefield niche for them. For example SPAA like Tunguska and attack helicopter with transport capabilities like Mi-24.
A few years back USMC was looking for Mi-24's and pilots for them as an OPFOR for training. Why not extend it further? Buy a few old Mi-24's, scoop them out of obsolete equipment and remember legacy of S-67. New engines, props and avionics. It would be better for hot scenarios then UH-60 and would serve as OPFOR training for Mi-35 too. I'm pretty sure that there is still enough specialists left in former Warsaw Pact states(and those, who immigrated) who had experience with those helicopters.
And it would also allow said states to make better contributions to NATO.
Lol it's more of an ego battle tbh, there's honestly no reason they can't do that, unlike the wwet Russia has no issues using American products and accessories, look at most of their special ops dudes in Syria, using eotech and looking flat out like delta or seals.
Short answer: muneh. Militaries always go for the cheapest option.
@@archiij1707 also a good point. Especially since murica banned the import of Russian arms so they'd come off as hypocritical (even tho everyone knows the murica government to be a bunch of old hypocrites) if they use Russian equipment.
@@archiij1707 The Russians have no qualms against adopting foreign ideas when they're proven to be the best option available. You're right that there's an ego battle going on but, to be exact, there's only one side involved in it.
@@oskar6661 and what wrong we do?
Thank you for the readily available subtitles! I appreciate that more than you know!😁
You're very welcome 😊
@@Taskandpurpose You the man!😎
The US should be pouring the foreign defense budget into Poland. They have a history of warriors and a love of liberty.
And they're even more Right Wing than the Septics!!
You could have mentioned that the article you are quoting me from was back from 2013. Since then we had quite a significant effort put in the development of the UKM2000, and I must say as the author of the original piece that the current version fielded is top notch. Stay safe and watch your six. Greetings and warm wishes from Ukraine, wish us luck.
☘GOOD LUCK☘
Last year, Poland has introduced the latest version of the UKM called "UKM 2000S". It is a lighter and shorter version of this machine gun. Reportedly, the best version to date. The weapon is lighter (about a kilogram) and smaller (by several centimeters). The most important change, however, is the shortening of the barrel. - The rifle have two barrels - a short and a long one. The first one will be intended for highly maneuverable operations, i.e. landing, patrol and reconnaissance. The second, longer barrel, with greater range and firepower, will be used when the full combat potential of a machine gun is needed. Hope you make a video about this gun, someday.
That map at 0:50 hurts my eyes and my soul
LMAO
Never knew Greece and Italy were part of the USSR...
Hellenic Fighter Sicily and Instanbul are connected
There's one significant difference that you forgot to mention. Original FN MAG was designed with vehicle mounting in mind and was later adapted for infantry use while PKM was designed from ground up as a SAW system. That's why MAG and its derivatives are bulkier and have higher sustained fire capabilities while PKM is far lighter and more maneuverable.
Also it's ironic that after decades of saying that Russian equipment is in all regards inferior to that of NATO the US Special Forces would openly encourage American companies to break the law in order to get some of that "junk" for themselves.
While a vast majority of Russian equipment is pretty cheap and junk, while simultaneously being very often copied from western tech (during the USSR), they've also come up with some very good designs that are worthy of praise. The PKM is probably the best SAW today. China relies on a similar strategy as the USSR but relies far more intellectual property theft for technology.
@@weasle2904 yeah no, today with the internet, those " soviets copied from west myths can easily be disapproven" . The only thing they actually copied was the tu-4. But then again, us made a rip of of the rpg 7.
@@overlord4404 The Soviets reverse engineered various computer systems and a variety of other weapon systems from captured US equipment. The Soviets first heat seaking missile was a copy of a recovered AIM-9. Their first atomic bomb was also a complete technical copy of the Fatman. If you look closely you will find *tons* of small circuits and other computer systems that were reverse engineered from western technology. Even in the civilian market as well since the Soviets could care less about Western IP laws. It's definitely not a myth but you have a ton of prideful Russians and literal bots that will spread lies and propaganda to say otherwise, which is find humorous but also frightening.
@@weasle2904 I've seen opinons like yours often used as an argument for Soviet/Russian inability to innovate on their own. To be honest, the truth is quite mundane - copying already developed and tested piece of equipment is far cheaper and less time consuming than coming up with original design that would have similar capabilites. Once you'll look past the everlasting "dick contest" between superpowers, you'll see that all of them were {and still are} engaged in large scale industrial espionage not only to find out what their rivals are doing but also to obtain valuable tech intel in order to use it wherever practicable.
@@gratius1394 Yeah except for the fact that tons of civilian technology and equipment, such as cars and other electronics, were very often straight copies of western designs. They had no care for intellectual property theft. Innovation in the USSR was fundamentally impaired and slowed down by communism which strongly prevented individuals from coming up with new inventions and business ideas. Their isolation and xenophobia also prevented them from doing direct trade and thus did not buy any foreign products or equipment. And Russia's current government is impairing the Russian economy to a degree that people live with annual wages that would be considered poverty in 1st world countries.
Finnish infantry platoons also have 6 PKMs, 3 squads, each with 2 of them. Gotta love the firepower.
We had a separate machinegun squad in our jaeger platoons. Depends on unit. (II/21 LapJP)
I still think the M60 is a fantastic MG.
Many M60's in the military were old, worn, and improperly maintained. When I arrived at the 7th ID as part of a COHORT company, I was issued a fairly new M60 that ran like butter. I also carried one for a short time in Germany with no problems.
yeah ok, but does your M60 make cool BAM sound? Does your M60 have nice wood stock? Another win for the Soviets.
@@goldenboy1746 I never shot a PKM so I can't compare them.
My point is the M60 wasn't as bad as people claim it to be.
Keep the PIG clean, and she eats anything.
M60 is a crap. Gun Jesus said it very clear
@@grunt1807 it was.
Bulgarian company Arsenal
MG-1M 7.62x51 it's a PKM in NATO caliber. Also recently Zastava Arms from Serbia did the same thing. Their PKM clone M84 converted from 54R to 51.
When is something good and proven use it...
M84, got to love it
Cloning without permission. Russians has long been reproached by the Bulgarian Arsenal for copying without a license. At armament exhibitions, Bulgarians try to avoid encounters with Russian gunsmiths. That is, they do their business on open copying. And this is in Europe, it is important to note.
I never got to fire a PKM, but we had a broken one in our arms room in Afghanistan. It was eye opening, how light it was.
FN MAG is a heavy cow! :P
"spend more money to finish this cost saving measure" man, what an all too common phrase :D
edit: "It's like getting hit by a time machine!" LOLOLOL
Yeea that time machine metaphor was on point 🤣👍
That iż bullahit. It saved milions. Why? Because you don’t need replace mounts in helicopters, bipods, tripods, mounts in tanks and APCs, IFVs
One of the reasons the PKM is so light is because of the pull-out system, which is only possible with a rimmed cartridge. When the Poles tried to change it by adapting the M240's push system, they had to lengthen the receiver by some 10 centimeters and increased the mass of the weapon by roughly 1 kg (do not quote me on this, I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head).
OK. I have used both machine guns while I was in the FDF army... If I had to choose MG to use in Finland... I would choose PKM... Reason is dust and dirt. Easy to fix.
I really like their M762 Beryl!
Russian tactics before 1940’s: light infantry, pretty slow moving.
Russian tactics after 1940’s: GAS GAS GAS IM GONNA STEP ON THE GAS
Their tactics are the same. Throw a bunch of undertrained and inexperienced conscripts at a force they know nothing about, and due to corruption and a weak economy struggle with basic supply lines. Their failure to take Ukraine whom is among the weakest nations in Europe exposed these issues.
I had a PKMB version on the vehicle (SA-13) in the army. It was a classic PK machine gun with a stock with the possibility of mounting. For shooting, we removed it from the vehicle and fired from a bipod like a classic infantry machine gun. For example - At 400m I destroyed targets with a drag of 75x75 cm on a single shot. Basic exercises 2 times the target 75x75cm for 400m, 2x figure for 300m, 2x figure for 250m and 2x figure for 200m. I had 25 rounds and I had half left. The commander then gave me only targets for 400m 75x75cm, a total score of 17 for 25 rounds. 6x figure 9x target 75x75cm. PK is insanely accurate, simple, durable, light. We fired hundreds of rounds on other drills and without a fault, without overheating, you can rely on the PK machine gun in the cold in the mud in the sand in the water, minimal maintenance and still works,
did it take much time to learn how to use? and which military?
@@pootytang2872 ARMY OF CZECH REPUBLIC ,. Learning to shoot a machine gun is easy. the first 100 shots were inaccurate. Then I was able to hit everything. I also fired individual shots and hit the target, all I had to do was quickly pull the trigger and release.
You said the cyclic rate was slow at 650. I believe 650 rpm is almost perfect. Your barrel doesn't overheat as fast, needing fewer barrel changes, doesn't run out of ammo as fast, and is lighter. 650 is fine against infantry, anti aircraft, not so much, but offensive aircraft mostly dealt with by means of misslss, not machine guns.
I agree, that's 12 rounds per second, plenty enough for suppressive fire while conserving ammo
0:48
This "Cold War map" is too cold. So much so that Western Europe is a distorted landmass.
I picked the most simple looking map I could haha
I live next to military unit in Poland and i love hearing pkm in the distance
Small arms are an amazing ally with geopolitics. Just like with currency, if you hook an ally on YOUR caliber, just like with currency and pop stars, they are another Remora on your Great White Shark.
...damn, what kind of a weird ass map of cold war europa you had flashing at 0:50
even had to rewind and stopp the frame to study it for a minute or so. lol ; )
I'm surprised it is of a lighter weight. It seems like in videogames it is one of the heaviest lmgs that you may field
I love when countries are determined to have their own guns because it ends in new interesting designs to use
Also they save a lot of money because they don't have to import weapons from other countries
@@Chester_Oliver wait Russians got the idea for PKM from the French?
Quick, someone go get Brandon Herrera. Get him to make his own version.
Let him finish the .50 first...
@@potatoradio And then RPK50
Us army tests from ww2 found out m2 carbines were much superior than stg44s. Don’t know about that
@Heiko Von Spree That’ actually a myth disproved by multiple testings. A ball .30 carbine will penetrate your usual Nok soldier from front to back including winter jackets. The myth began as a combination of factors: American troops spraying in full auto with their m2s wildly missing their targets, Nok/Chinese soldiers being fanatical and continuing to fight even when being hit and .30 carbine ball being less than ideal in lethality compared to other rifle rounds (it’s a round nose so it will not tumble as much a spitzer round in flesh, it doesn’t move that fast limiting stretch cavity, no fragmentation or expansion and the bullet is pretty stubby so even when it tumbles it doesn’t drastically increase the wound channel). 7,92x33 being a longer spitzer round and travelling faster should have higher lethality comparable to good 7,62x39. Looking at Fackler gel studies it 7,92x33 seems to tumble earlier than m43 7,62x39
Who Remembers when the Czech Armory (CZ) bought Colt. It would be cool to breakdown and see why and how the Czech Armory bought Colt
ist part of the technological and economicall downfall of usa.
A perfect example of Russian military engineering, lethal, durable and simple enough for average Ivan grunts to maintain and operate in the field. Simple and reliable kills better.
i really dig the writing in these informative and chuckle-inducing videos ty sir
glad you liked the video good sir ! : )
Cool video. I had no idea that the pkm had such a good reputation and was so loved. Sounds like a rad gun
"The intense heat of the Cold War" -- Clean.
the pkm has the ability to squeeze off single rounds with the precision of a sniper rifle thus, it's usually supplied with 6x or 8x scopes
It's a open bolt principle.
Not nearly as accurate as a closed bolt weapon.
@@daddukes2110 Yeap, but fairly compared to marksman rifles, so you can deliver precise shots at a good distance.
@@Theeight8b this is true of all good quality MGs. The Minimi is exceptional.
I've used the GPMG in the British army and the PKM in combat in Iraq and Syria.
For that environment the AK and PKM all day long, for simplicity, reliability and being able to still fire even though clogged full of dust.
Wrong
@@louisbeerreviews8964 How is that wrong, it's my opinion and preference from personal experience?
Honestly the new barrel not needing swapping and the bullet links staying together (in old and new) and going back into the box seems really efficient and money saving.
It's the absolute best SAW in the world! It's light, super reliable and hard hitting! It's also suprisingly extremly accurate! When I first fired one I cringed, because my uncle faced the PK in Vietnam.
PK only enter VN wat after 1972... Before that, NVA and VC use UK Vz. 59, which shoot the same round with PK but from Czech and they have SGM which is the portable version of SG-43. Pk machinegun only suppplied to NVA in 1972.
@@boocomban *Parisans Vietnam used RPD!*
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8:25 Do you see that awesome ATV with a machine gun slapped on it? If I had an army, that would be the only units inside of it. Full ATV, just ATVs, just give a rocket launcher to the guy in the back and you can take on the world.
Heh. I guess theres reason why sf have their high mobility atvs
Rocket on the back of an atv is giving me halo 3 flashbacks
You need to check Polish armed forces day military parade videos. You will see a lot of ATV
Really enjoyed this video, Cappy. Looks like you’re having fun with that green screen. 👍. Keep up the good work!
Excellent video as always . Some weapons don't seem to die . I would say the PKM is like the M2 gonna be around forever in one format or another. On a side note ... learn to wear a beret , Cherry 🍒 ! Lol
They should've adopted the South African SS77. It marries elements of the PKM and FN MAG and is battle proven.
There are a whole lot of better machine guns out there but they wanted minimum spend and domestic production.
So the SANDF never used the SS-77? So is Wikipedia wrong when it says that it has been their GPMG since 1986?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vektor_SS-77
I've dreamed about that 30-45 degree angled foregrip when I was a machine gunner (later AG). Doubt even that would have helped me firing 240L from a shoulder though
I'm legit surprised they've removed the option for a quick swap barrel. That's been a standard feature for over 100 years.
08:33
*Bulgaria with their version of PKM cambered in 7.62x51 NATO*: “Am I a joke for you?”
an old Army test....bias....NEVER
I think the 7.62x54r is the oldest cartridge in regular military use and its kind of amazing as its based off the oldest smokeless cartridge the 8mm French Lebel.
People complain about steel cases but they are lighter than the brass counterparts.
The only other 2 cartridges I can think of that are older and kind of in military use would be the .303 once used widely in Afganistan but they have had a massive weapons find recently, yes its still used by the police in 3rd world nations and is still in military armorys but some militarys still have black powder weapons stored in armorys.
The only other caliber would be the .22 short for training but even then I think they now all use the .22lr
I was wondering about that too, as 9mm luger is only from 1901 or so. Unless he is counting that Dutch Black powder round that pops up in Kuwait every now and then
@@harryjoe860 I'm pretty sure he was referring to .303 8mm mauser is still in some common use by a handful of nations but that was made after 7.62x54r
Canadian rangers don't use it anymore, maybe India, Pakistan bangaldesh has some SMLEs in storage. I know the Indian police still use them and sten guns and webly revolvers.
. 303 is still in use in Afghanistan but they have a lot of new toys now.
The. 22lr is newer than 7.62x54r
.22cb and. 22 short is older
I mean some ragtag forces use whatever they can get their hands on including black powder muzzle loaders.
Surplus black powder cartridges must be almost all ubfireable by now.
Many ww2 era rounds are duds if not stored properly.
But a lot of small force still use ww2 weapons and ammunition.
But as military forces the oldest round that is in widespread use and is still produced and weapons produced for it would be the 7.62x54r in all manner of machine guns, dmr rifles and maybe a few new production bolt action rifles.
Its the 7.62x51 NATO of non NATO nations.
I think it will be around to stay for a very long time.
It does impress to me that so many infantry guns of the other side of the curtain are so much better than their western counterparts.
PKM I think is the only one that is objectively better. AKs are a conscripts gun and a lot of the other weapons haven’t held up to accepting modern attachments and technology. That said the actually difference is marginal at best between modern small arms and it all come down to how good a unit is with their weapons.
That is what happens when the military develops guns for itself instead of private companies doing it for greed.
All 20th century weapons are meant to be used by conscripts.
AK’s have been taking accessories for decades. I personally very much prefer the handling characteristics, balance, and easy to use sights of the Kalashnikov.
@@Legalizeasbestos They all have their strengths and weaknesses. If I'm riding around in a vehicle with a gun mount, or in a static position with a tripod, m240 all day. That thing is a sewing machine. Easy barrel swap, and retarded accuracy. If I'm patrolling, pkm. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. Its rugged, reliable, and light. Needs a handguard or vert grip, though. If the original m60 hadn't been such a pos design, we'd probably be running with the E6 model right now. By all accounts, its a world class lmg. The semi buildup design balances the weapon much better than the previous two, the cyclic rate is just right, and the engineering issues have mostly been rectified. I'd prefer to patrol with a weapon thats easier to cover and move with. The e6 is very mobile.
I trained with it in the Polish Army. It is good. Easy to clean, and to change the barrel. Overall simple and easy to learn. I think it will stay in the polish military for a long time.
Man, every time you have an add, I get ready to fast forward but your so damned entertaining I just end up sticking with it. Love your stuff man.
Kinda baffles me how the belgian mag58 scored more than the L8A1 when they are basically the same weapon 🤣
Probably just the actual samples used in the tests. Although we Brits DO insist on "improving" hardware with some form of British upgrades... look at the Phantoms or Apaches
im sure it was a bullshit, corrupt-ass "test." someone's buddy was in there giving the m60 high marks so it got selected for the contract.
0:50 thats a cursed map if I have ever seen any
“If you use enemies weapons, you can carry less ammo” -chad on front line.
NATO only use american weapon, Germany-Italy-Spain-Norway-Denmark-Finland-Greece-Iceland: Ok
* Erika playing in the background * MG3 start shooting 😂😂😂
Nice Work Cappy
The UKM is cursed, it looks like a combination of a PKM and an M240.
I feel like the AK guy would do a great review of the cursed kalashnikov derived UKM 2000
The NATOised Pkm is pretty sweet
Otan Soldiers shooting PKM
the Recoil: Go Crazy auaugdjaushauahah Go Stupid, Go Crazy
Good Video! Keep it up! This is the kind of stuff that makes me wait for your content.
Definitely one of my favorite guns. I think Poland is probably better off creating a GPM based on the principles of the PKM instead of trying so hard to make a sub-par chimera.
7:49 Quantity is a quality all its own.
0:50 this is what I imagine a map of Europe looks like to the average American xD
"Yeah seems legit"
Bulgaria has been in NATO for what, like, 17 years now and it is the most Soviet Army in the world. They still use the AK-47 in 7.62x39 and the PKM in 7.62x54. So if you are in NATO and you want the PKM, come to the Bulgarian Army, they'll hit you up with a real PKM. Arsenal has made an AK in 5.56 called AR-M1 and a PKM in 7.62x51 called MG-M1, but the army has adopted these in limited numbers, probably because they still have a few billion of 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 rounds.
Ah, my dream weapon. Seeing these things while overseas has always made me want to own one. They're beautiful.
Honestly, I love the Russian designs of all their weapon systems. Their jets, tanks, apcs and guns are pieces of art. Now, the navy on the other hand. They'll get it someday. Their subs are great but that's it. :)
Give me an su-57, an Armata and a pkm.
Subs are the deadliest thing a navy can have especially if it’s nuclear
As a guy, who shot real PKM and own a (Airsoft) version of it, I can confirm that these things are the best designed lmgs in the world. In Tanks with Armata, T-72-80-90, Apcs/Support vehicles Btr,Bmpt,Terminator, in air force with Mi-8-17-24 Su-34-56 and in Rockets, Nuclear Missiles like Sarmat. . . Russia is the king🇷🇺
The advancement of weapons on this planet is concurrent to the Dorsi novels. Splinter weapons that shoot projectiles exceedingly faster then the speed of sound were the shock wave of such a projectile upon impact creates a cavity wound twice the size of the target.
Wdym?
PK competitors: TKB-464, Gagarin's MGs (2B-P-10 and 2B-P-45) and TKB-521, and Shilin and Grazyev MGs
PKM competitors: AO-29, TKB-015, AO-22
TKB-523 for RPK
PU-21 and Nikonov's MG fpr RPK-74
Romania is în nato and still has this lmg but is manufacured in romania and it's name is MD. 66, it uses the 7,62×54R, Romania is still manufacturing munitions at CUGIR.
I agree that it's a good mg for the russians but I recently looked in to german machine guns and they where performing great. I am talking about the general purpose machine gun MG3 and the MG5
At 7.5 kg the PKM is still over 2 kg lighter than the MG5 at 9.9 kg which itself is 2kg lighter than the MG3 at 11.5 kg.
it all comes down to weight and cost
PKM feels really light compared to the m240 B, plus it's easy to get its ammo in most middle east and African countries
And if u are fighting Russians
This article you made have several errors. UKM only exteriory resemble PKM(that's it). Inside it's basically mirrored m60 loaded from the right side... The cardridge is pushed to the chamber instead of pull-and push the pkm system is using. In UKM you can switch barrel without unloading the gun(the switch to detatch the barrel is outside, near the carring handle). About PKP - newer variants ALLOW to swap the barrel.
I see why they made theirs in 7.62x51 NATO, but the 7.62x54r is a superior machine gun round because it is rimmed. The rim basically eliminates any possiblity of the feed claw slipping off the rim and makes it just that little bit more reliable.
Whether or not it's the entire reason, there always seems to be a butt-hurt production crony leaning on a politician for business rather than practicality that ends up having a lot of sway.
"We don't need no stinkin' gun on the F4! Just buy my missiles!"
"Ok Mr. Hughes, the AIM-4 it is!"
Imagine thinking guns on jets would be relevant.
@@technoruffles7747 thet are
@@technoruffles7747 Cue Gen Robin Olds slapping his forehead in heaven. How soon until Jamming, EMP or yes even lasers make missiles obsolete or unreliable again? Lead, Tungsten, DU, Osmium.... always goes until it hits something. and hey a if ya used the Aim 4's bigger brothers the AIM 26 or 47 it would probably work - cuz well nukes.
@@potatoradio Cue the entire iraqi airforce getting grounded by over the horizon jet missiles, cue the fact that all of the A-10 upgrade packages have somekind of missile system included. Cue the A-10s horrible friendly fire rate.
Cue there not having been a single case of dog fighting in 30 years and before that having only been rare one-off events.
What are you gonna tell me next? Battleships need to make a come back? Tanks are obscelete?
@@potatoradio Secondly, jamming and lasers already exist, they've existed for awhile.
Lmao, we've been pulling this stuff off for a very long time. The first Polish manufactured pistol (the Vis) was actually a slightly modified 1911. The Polish rifles (wz, 29) manufactured just before the war were actually Kar98s with a different sling and bayonet lug. It's really funny imo.
Yeah, Poles were always masters of repurposing weapons they had, rechambaring BAR for Mauser cartridge being great HMG, making 1st great NATO AK with Beryl, Poles always tries to cut costs, making some great guns in the process
It's even more funny how they manage to make them better weapons.
Larry vickers has a video about a Bulgarian 7.62 nato pkm called the M1M iirc
11:48 PKP "Pecheneg" is a machine gun as if created for positional warfare. His new barrel was made with fins and a forced cooling system of the barrel. Thus, the machine gun can fire without stopping the entire ammunition of the machine gunner in the amount of 600 rounds, the barrel of the machine gun will heat up, but the range and accuracy will remain at the same high level.
By the way, the PKP "Pecheneg" trunk can still be changed without any problems within 30 seconds. This means that if you have a spare barrel at hand, then in case of failure of one barrel, it can be immediately replaced with another spare.