2022 Porsche 718 Cayman - More Than Enough Power | One-Mile Review

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    The 2022 Porsche 718 Cayman is never front and center with the GTS and the GT4 gracing magazine covers and TH-cam videos everywhere, but does that mean you should count it out? We sample a member’s 2022 model, with a 2.0-litre turbocharged flat-four good for 300 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque and a six-speed manual transmission.
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  • @JeffJacquesmd
    @JeffJacquesmd ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm daily driving a 2022 718 Cayman GTS 4.0
    Puts a smile on my face every time I start her.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว

      Love it! Be sure to subscribe.

    • @UTubeSL
      @UTubeSL 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You legend! Awesome car.

  • @jehl1963
    @jehl1963 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Choosing between a 4-cylinder and a 6-cylinder Porsche is a very 1st world problem. Neither one is bad. The distinctions are shades of excellence. Some people would be willing to forgo the experience of a 6-cylinder engine, but prefer the experience of a new Porsche. Some people with the same budget will forgo the new-Porsche experience in order to be able to afford a 6-cylinder. Neither is a bad choice, and both add to the Porsche community. The world is a better place for the choice!

    • @_ArsNova
      @_ArsNova ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Owning a Porsche period is a first world problem. People buy them and not econo-boxes because they want an experience. I understand why people would have reservations about paying north of $60,000 for a turbo 4-cylinder.

    • @thespectralsorrows
      @thespectralsorrows ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@_ArsNova So worth another $40K to get a NA 6-cylinder...steep price to say you have a F6 instead of a F4.

    • @joeracer302
      @joeracer302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not to mention the $15k dealers want to tack on to MSRP for a GTS, and GT4 are even crazier ADM. No thanks, at that price step up into a 911, even if it’s a base model with a few performance options, I’d take that over an overpriced Cayman.

    • @123antimiro
      @123antimiro ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John it depends where you gonna to drive it. 6 cylinder is the best for circuit ( very long second gear) 4 cylinder daily street car , torque at any rews:)

    • @jonfrench7133
      @jonfrench7133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mr Luetjen could not have put that better myself. Loads of rubbish spoken about the flat 4, personally love the subaru growl with added essence of porsche

  • @tomw6719
    @tomw6719 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I think base cars are under-rated and underappreciated. Nice review. 1-mile reviews miss a very important rating category, "fun factor".

  • @joebekavac1517
    @joebekavac1517 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Have a 911 and 718 and totally agree. This car is more fun to drive and plenty quick. Did not put too much on my 718 when I ordered, but it doesn’t need it. This maintains the Porsche sports car experience in its truest form.

    • @Skizi99
      @Skizi99 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      May I know what was your specs and how much did it costs you?

    • @borinvlogs
      @borinvlogs ปีที่แล้ว +4

      full leather interior is a must otherwise interior feels like in a VW Polo.

  • @hilton8830
    @hilton8830 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm 70+ and I have a 718 Cayman s, bought new in 2017. It's driven just like a daily driver (summer only): 1) Comfortable; 2) No mechanical issues; 3) Spacious; 4) Economy (premium only). However, I change oil every 6 months, with 5k or with 100 miles it doesn't matter. However it's Guard Red, it-stick-out like a sore thumb.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Enjoy! Be sure to subscribe.

    • @BobK5
      @BobK5 ปีที่แล้ว

      1) comfortable?, 🤣, what did you have before that, a tractor?
      3) spacious?, 😂. Spacious!, where have you been? Even a model T has more space than a Cayman.
      4) economy? Compared to what?
      As for mechanical issues you obviously don’t drive it much. Any number of modern hot hatches and coupes will be much more civilised to live with, much better suspension, way better economically, more reliable and at least just as fast if not faster.
      It’s about time got into the modern world, sport chrono package 🤣😂🤣

    • @Encourageable
      @Encourageable 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BobK5sorry you can’t afford a base Cayman LOL.

    • @BobK5
      @BobK5 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Encourageable I like the look of them but really they’re awful. I couldn’t recline the seat to get comfortable, I didn’t like the engine right behind my head making a horrible noise and I didn’t like the over size wheels and their clumpy ride.
      Considering the speed limit on A - B roads is 60 I can’t see the point. I could go and buy a fully specc’d one new if I wanted, very fashioned their saving grace is the stationary looks.

  • @rutgut9119
    @rutgut9119 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    At least he made it past the three minute mark before mentioning Subaru.

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt ปีที่แล้ว

      haha, that's the big killer for a lot of buyers.. if you've owned a flat6 P-car, hard to settle for anything less in the noise department.

    • @ArtVandelayOfficial
      @ArtVandelayOfficial 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dre32pitt The funny thing is outside of the gt3s regular Porsche 6s don't sound particularly exotic or amazing
      If you want to talk about good sounding 6 cylinders try the E46 M3 or NSX Type R

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ArtVandelayOfficial I disagree. My 987.1 Cayman S sounded amazing above 5.5k. The newer non-gt3 cars dont sound 'good' because they're turbo'd. Turbos will almost always kill sound volume (traditional intake/exhaust noises).
      But I agree on your comparisons. All 3 (Honda, M Car, P Car) all have dual cam profiles, so they're all going to sound great above 65-70% of their total RPM capacity (the vaunted, 'VTEC kicked in', lol).
      Ironically, Nissan was first to use this in a production car, iirc. My father's 93 Nissan Sentra SE-R with the SR20DE (no T since it wasn't turbo.. that motor was never an option in North America) and had VTEC before Honda had it in North America. Now look at Nissan......

  • @philpyrce8019
    @philpyrce8019 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Totally agree with the video. I own a sport chrono 718S and a 911 but have also driven a base 718. While the variable vane turbocharger on the S has clear advantages over the base 718, the base is certainly a very capable, beautiful and respectable sports car that will immediately bring an enduring smile to the driver. Any 718 has a lightness about it that provides an arguably better driving experience in the corners that the 911 cannot match. The sport chrono and PASM options described in the video are worth getting for sure.

  • @pbschroeder
    @pbschroeder ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We have a 2022 base model Boxster with a manual transmission, the same wheels and the 18 way seats (no PASM or Sport Chrono). It is a great car with plenty of power. We love driving it. We also have 2 991s, and I think I like the Boxster the most.

  • @Malcom2345
    @Malcom2345 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I own and love 2 cars. One is a amg c63 with 700plus nm, the other is one of these. I love driving them both for very different reasons. The big difference is the nimbleness of my 718. Its just so light on its feet, the way it changes direction, stops and pulls out of corners is exhilarating. My amg wins in many other areas but it cant match the 718 for this.

  • @r.aaronhible4214
    @r.aaronhible4214 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We’ve owned a 2017 Cayman S (Miami Blue) for the past 4 years. We bought it used and it was spec’d with PASM, Torque Vectoring, PDK and Sport Chrono. I really wish that Sport+ (not Sport) mode was reviewed, because the Turbos are kept spooled up and all of the turbo lag goes away.


    I like the sound a lot, especially when its full throttle or the boost button is pushed. I understand the Subaru comparison, but club members seem to forget that Porsches started as flat fours.
    As much as we love our car, we quit taking it to club events as older PCA members are not shy about telling you how “you should have” spent your money.

  • @d.nakamura9579
    @d.nakamura9579 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very useful Comments on rear trunk size vs the 987. I also like the focus on everyday practical usability. Nice review!

  • @ArisBalomenos
    @ArisBalomenos ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great review! I have a 2021 Boxster T and have done 10K miles on it and have had no issues. Excellent daily and really fun on the canyons! This Cayman is spec'd to be T - excellent!

  • @n3307v
    @n3307v ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Very nice. I love the Cayman (even though I have a 986 Boxster S). I think the Cayman is hands down the best-looking Porsche made today.

    • @mikemush9741
      @mikemush9741 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As I heard another reviewer say one time, "show me the angle that isn't a money shot."

    • @firdaushanapiah7691
      @firdaushanapiah7691 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely agreeing with you!

  • @marcchevalier5737
    @marcchevalier5737 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I ve been driving à Cayman T for the Last two years. Fun on track and a great daily. Love it! I totaly agree with this revieuw.

  • @TrackMonkey327
    @TrackMonkey327 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've driven a 718 Cayman S, GT4, and base (with 6-speed manual). I found the base model to be the most fun to drive on the street.

    • @final_mile_music9713
      @final_mile_music9713 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed. That’s why I got one. I didn’t want to live in 2nd gear. Mine is the base engine with full leather, PASM, PTV, Sports Chrono, PDLS+, Bose sound, sports seat + with embossed logo, carbon fiber, sports pipes, racetex headliner, manual box with carbon fiber gear stick. I love it. I can actually use the performance on the street.

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@final_mile_music9713 I was looking at base 718s too.. Have you owned a Porsche before? I ended up in an older Cayman S and can't imagine having one without the flat 6 wail above 5k..

    • @final_mile_music9713
      @final_mile_music9713 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dre32pitt I have a loaded base. PTV. Sports Chrono. PDLS+. Sports seats +. PASM. Bose. Full leather. Embossed seats. Carbon fiber trim including gear knob. Racetex t headliner. GT steering wheel (no buttons except the drive mode rotary knob). Sports pipes. It’s amazing. Tons of torque. Revs out nicely. Characterful engine note. Not tuneful as such but kinda old school Porsche to me. I5s my first Porsche but I’ve driven a couple of generations of 911’s on the track and skid pans and my Dad owned a 1984 911 Carerra (pre turbo) that I drove. Personally, I’d have a loaded base over an S with no performance options. I’m not interested in HP bragging rights. I’m interested in driving. All the investment in my car is in dynamics and a nice interior. I have the regular wheels (because our roads are rough) and a standard color (black. My interior is red leather but with the black dash with red stitching). The car rides and handles like a dream and is deceptively quick in a way that the reported 0-60 figure doesn’t show.

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@final_mile_music9713 I was going to go basic basic, lol.. no options.. just the manual.. But I can't not have the flat 6 noise now.. im tainted, lol..

  • @Clo87650
    @Clo87650 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Curious about the GoPro mount used at the rear view.

  • @M_IkeLeBlanc
    @M_IkeLeBlanc ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great video Damon. Good to see some 718 love. 😃 I have been pleasantly surprised by the performance of my 2022 Cayman S. Plenty of power for the street with fantastic handling. Interesting comments in the build quality on newer Porsches. My previous car was a 2018 Audi TTRS and I thought its build quality was special. My Cayman is exponentially better.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks! Yes, there's some sort of special sauce that Porsches have and most other manufacturers don't.

    • @camerongardner4538
      @camerongardner4538 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mines a Box S 2019.. thought about tt-rs. Your take?

    • @dre32pitt
      @dre32pitt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PorscheClubofAmerica Mazda is the homeless man's version (think 'Poorman's version', but poorer, lol), imo.. Every single Mazda I've ever driven felt good to drive. Like it was engineered by people who enjoy driving. Mazda 3, Mazda 2, Mx5, Mazda 6, hell, even the CX5 drives good for a car, not just an SUV.
      - Former 987.1 Cayman S owner and current ND Miata owner

  • @mikek6304
    @mikek6304 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice ride. great video

  • @BatDimen
    @BatDimen ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That seemed like way more than a mile. 😆

  • @trigganometry168
    @trigganometry168 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got the 2022 Cayman GTS for the included items as mention on this base model. Kept my spec low for the reason of this being a sports car and didn’t focus on luxury add ones. I only optioned black brake calipers, black aluminum trim, black Porsche logo, and new for 2022 shark blue seat belts. $90430 I thought was a good price considering the times and being purchased in Northern California.

  • @Raamsheld
    @Raamsheld ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The hatchback of the Cayman is very useful for daily driving. I miss it from my current 911.

  • @final_mile_music9713
    @final_mile_music9713 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s not turbo lag. It’s the boost threshold. The turbos spool almost instantly. They just do so over 2500rpm, which with a manual box is a non-issue. I’m always in the sweet spot. There is no lag driving like this. It goes like stink.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are correct. There is not much turbo lag (there is a tiny bit, even in the sweet spot) but there is little power below the boost threshold. Unfortunately turbo lag has been used to describe boost threshold for so many years that boost threshold doesn't mean much to most people... We'll try our best to use the correct term in future videos.

  • @zryhmer
    @zryhmer ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a base Cayman. So base I don’t have vanity mirror lights, just cheap VW plastic. I really wish I had the safety features, LED headlights and keyless go.
    I pulled the soundaktor fuse and the fake Subaru rumble disappeared.

  • @flat6croc
    @flat6croc ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No, the exhaust tips do not improve performance. What a ridiculous thing to say.

    • @carminered
      @carminered ปีที่แล้ว +1

      718 also being “new”. Odd review

  • @verde629
    @verde629 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    People complain about the flat 4 but it’s not like the turbo charged flat 6 sounds any better lol

  • @billtaglia2865
    @billtaglia2865 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a 2017 cayman base model with PDK bought in 2019. It’s driven from May through November. A definite daily driver. As a launch model, it had so many options put on it. About a 70k build sheet.

    • @BLINKBOXHD
      @BLINKBOXHD ปีที่แล้ว

      Carmine red body, metallic black on the wheels, looks like sex

  • @ddelis01
    @ddelis01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I test drove a GTS 4.0, GT4, GTS 2.5, and a T. Went with the T and could not be happier.

  • @daveschif348
    @daveschif348 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I live in NJ. The thought of drilling holes in the front of that beautiful car to mount a required front plate is.......criminal. And yes....its a $100 fine without. Anyone found a good mounting solution for front plate other than...moving?

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Try a license plate holder that mounts to the tow hook. Several companies out there offer them. Check out Rennline. Be sure to subscribe.

    • @pbschroeder
      @pbschroeder ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PorscheClubofAmerica I was going to say the same thing about the front plate mount, although none of our Porsches have front plates...

  • @rboddington
    @rboddington ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love my 718 more than I love my wife or children. If Canada allowed for car/man marriage I would marry it.

  • @darrylgarcia9147
    @darrylgarcia9147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can anyone please confirm if the 2023 and newer Porsche Cayman base come standard with PSE exhaust for the US market?

    • @verde629
      @verde629 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It doesn’t. Porsche loves charging for their options

    • @darrylgarcia9147
      @darrylgarcia9147 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@verde629 it does come with PSE in the US.

    • @verde629
      @verde629 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darrylgarcia9147 You sure? Why does it have the single rectangular exhaust then, because that’s not the pse

    • @darrylgarcia9147
      @darrylgarcia9147 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@verde629 yeah saw one for sale at a local dealership in the US and it had the PSE exhaust button.

    • @verde629
      @verde629 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darrylgarcia9147 hmm interesting I always thought the rectangular pipe didn’t have pse. Planning on getting a 718? I’ve been interested lately knowing the next cayman is gna be full electric…. Makes the flat 4 turbo more appealing lol

  • @lsturbointeg
    @lsturbointeg ปีที่แล้ว

    This is not a 22 since I notice the exhaust tips are together and not separated

    • @trigganometry168
      @trigganometry168 ปีที่แล้ว

      The exhaust tips are not separated because it’s a 4 cylinder 😝

  • @Ronpedley1
    @Ronpedley1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review! I recently purchased a 2023 718T. It includes PASM. Limited slip. Gt4 short shift. Lowered. Not sure why this owner would option out all that in a base 718 when Porsche offers all of those options in the T package. Love my car. Love all of your drives! Thanks!

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing and for supporting our channel. Happy to hear you enjoyed the video.

  • @93455Driver
    @93455Driver ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ventilated seats! That is not a base car :) I know it does not sound like the 6, but this 4 sounds fine, there is way worse out there.

  • @BCNeil
    @BCNeil ปีที่แล้ว

    The exhaust tips are a performance enhancement??? LMAO

  • @MrSchn3ll
    @MrSchn3ll ปีที่แล้ว

    You never used sport mode!

  • @_ArsNova
    @_ArsNova ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would never call a 718 bad, it's got it where is counts, but I much prefer the 6-cylinder Caymans. Prices easily north of $60-70,000 for a 4-cylinder is asking a lot.

    • @dhstadt
      @dhstadt ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some buy cars based on sound others of us buy based on performance. I'll take a 4 cyl that outperforms a 6 cyl every day.

  • @Chitown388
    @Chitown388 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guess for a short 1-mile drive, you can only guess and not actually experience the car in many aspects, such as highway driving. Why not give the review more credibility with something like a 10-mile drive?

    • @mib824
      @mib824 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure you're understanding the concept. They're not trying to get the full driving experience, just what you'd get after driving a car for a mile (or so). Like if a friend just got a new car and let you try it out... first impression only.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly min824!

  • @mattyp3119
    @mattyp3119 ปีที่แล้ว

    Little cobb tune and these 4cyl will be as fast as a gt4 in a straight line.

  • @LoveTheGiant
    @LoveTheGiant 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    only 1 mile craazy

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      1 Mile is never enough, but we do our best to give honest impressions.

  • @992turbos
    @992turbos ปีที่แล้ว

    Drive it like wheres981 drives his Cayman

    • @xxxxxxxxxxxx2407
      @xxxxxxxxxxxx2407 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely **not** an “enthusiast spec”- 18 way seats? Base engine? This is a low rent spec.

  • @letterspace1letterspace266
    @letterspace1letterspace266 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So no room for a golf bag?

  • @onemilkyway
    @onemilkyway 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That seems more than a mile drive😂😂😂😂

  • @ausskiguy
    @ausskiguy ปีที่แล้ว

    Mm manual gearbox for an everyday driving car - no thanks. I have the PDK which is faster 0-60.

  • @BobK5
    @BobK5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I took a 718 Cayman for a test drive and couldn’t believe how rough it sounded, noisy, unrefined, not pleasant and right behind your ears. The ride was old fashioned and reminded me of Ford saloons of the 1970’s.
    It wasn’t that fast, many hot hatches today can keep up ride better and handle at half the price with better options and equipment.
    The trend of 19 and 20 inch wheels is another indication that the car is a horror on the road and built primarily for looks.
    Very old fashioned not in a good way, and not suitable for touring around Europe, not suitable for anything other than looking good in the car park.

    • @PorscheClubofAmerica
      @PorscheClubofAmerica  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe.

    • @d.nakamura9579
      @d.nakamura9579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you think that, you haven’t really driven one properly

    • @BobK5
      @BobK5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@d.nakamura9579 that’s exactly my point Mr Nakamura, where exactly would you drive one of these rough sounding, rough handling, heavy and noisy cars in order to be satisfied that you’ve ‘driven it properly’? Not public roads that’s for sure!
      Any car with 19, 20, 22 inch wheels is a poser built for looks and not purpose including these Porsches.

    • @mqarhsdm
      @mqarhsdm ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BobK5 What alternative to a Porsche Base Cayman would you recommend? I own one of the alternatives that you may be talking about, but I'd like to know what other cars you think are available that ride better and handle at half the price with better options and equipment.

    • @BobK5
      @BobK5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mqarhsdm Golf Gti 7.5 GTi, standard wheels, dsg, dsc, just as fast, dynamic handling and 42 mpg at a fraction of the price.

  • @TheGnarTube
    @TheGnarTube ปีที่แล้ว

    You seem very nervous

  • @swanseaboy76
    @swanseaboy76 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you really review a car after only driving it for a mile. That's literally less than a minute.

  • @user-ur9gj6ju5z
    @user-ur9gj6ju5z 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you option leather seats in a track car you are in fact...not an enthusiast.

  • @ashiqromeo3455
    @ashiqromeo3455 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hurr durr not a 911

  • @joeharris2892
    @joeharris2892 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    YOU DONT NEED PASM AT ALL

    • @ausskiguy
      @ausskiguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. I test drove one with PASM before buying one without as I couldn't notice any discernible difference? Unless you're going to be flying around Racetracks on Track Days PASM isn't needed for everyday driving.

    • @balucipher
      @balucipher ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a noticeable difference in comfort daily driving going from the steel suspension to PASM comfort

    • @stevenkrekeler8403
      @stevenkrekeler8403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Need is relative. I do notice a discernible difference when use PASM in my 718. This is especially true the in the twisties when I am pushing the edge. I understand that it is not necessary, but it is certainly a nice to have!

    • @vizi0123
      @vizi0123 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol i guess you havent own a Porsche with PASM. It makes a differences for everyday driving.

    • @joeharris2892
      @joeharris2892 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vizi0123 yeah your right mine doesnt have pasm dont feel i need it drive it everyday but hey could be wrong

  • @TheEdshemery
    @TheEdshemery ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are you so on about.. it’s a base car, for a base car, even though it’s a base Carmen. Jesus Christ.

  • @jeffreyb.1657
    @jeffreyb.1657 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like a subaru....

    • @thespectralsorrows
      @thespectralsorrows ปีที่แล้ว +1

      is that a bad thing?

    • @absolutely2935
      @absolutely2935 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Subaru sounds like a Porsche - my dads old Porsche sounded like a VW - I hated it but omg it’s worth near 350k now

  • @jesusmayorga9439
    @jesusmayorga9439 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waste of money