I'm not trying to be racist to red aliens or anything... but Earth people tend to stereotypically think that all aliens are green. Green PCB is just there to match the Alienware theme.
Soldermask doesn't protect the components on it. It protects the traces and make SMT easier. MSI is the OEM for DELL I'm sure DELL told them a price they wanted and MSI made changes to make it that price point.
its perfect for a build where you won't see the inside, same as the ram, id be much more concerned with that heat sink for the CPU that ... well i have no words for that tbh. especially for a 8700(k) ... lord have mercy.
@@GregSalazar They all run at different temperatures. Some are blower, some are open-air, some have one fan, some two, some three. If you're that concerned, get a liquid cooler.
Odd thing is that while the alienware stuff is really bad from dell.... the actual dell branded machines are better in many ways. The Alienware Aurora is indeed rather poor, bad parts and rather sub par hardware to boot and at a rather high price. Comparatively the Dell Inspiron gaming desktop series offers an actual value for what it offers and the internals are actually better despite being from the same company. I would actually buy the dell over the alienware if i was not into PC building, the parts can be interchanged and upgraded with ease.
Indeed, and we know why dell bought them out.... brand recognition. Alienware was well known for gaming PC's while dell was not. Still though its not a total loss, alienware branded laptops are actually very decent and dont do too badly compared to other gaming laptop brands. Then again this is a common thing with dell, dell desktops tended to be rather poor in the past but still made very decent laptops. Nowadays Dell is very good in many areas... though the alienware branded desktops leave a lot to be desired.
TheMadonePlays this particular pc is very upgradable u name it. Psu, ram, gpu, cpu, what else you name it. I was even able to jam in a liquid cool gpu to replace the stock gpu so i dont know what u are talking about
Dell probably wants to get rid of Alienware. They probably don't really make money off them, even the alienware laptop suck compared to the inspiron and g series.
You really missed a solid point of these cards dude, you can pick them up on eBay etc for sometimes 1/4th the price and they are fully functional albeit ugly but who cares at those prices. Then since it's a reference design you can snag up a reference heatsink and fans for it. Bam you just grabbed a 1070 that's ugly as shit with a new heatsink/cooler/fan combo for $210. You can't beat that anywhere and who cares about ugly at that point for extreme budget builds. (Be aware depending on reference cooler snaged up from 3rd party sellers / resellers may need a $10 internal fan hub to use but again $220 1070 who cares)
That plastic flimsy piece is for the the routing of the tubing on the AIO CLC "hybrid" versions of that card (made by MSI). Looks like they just punch it out when using the same shroud on their two different cards.
I bought one of these for 220.00 used before the mining craze. No issues so far and has lasted me over a year. I did swap the cooler though after about 4 months
Not? Didn´t you hear about the uproar cause of the Macbook Air Pro? Dust will come from above throught the Keyboard. The Macbook won´t start anymore cause the new used Butterfly Keypads are Shit. Wanna get it fixed? 700 Dollars pls. Thats what Apple is doing right now... So pls inform yourself before you say Apple isn´t making shit... they are... and they aren´t interested in fixing their shit unless you buy so much Money that you just could buy a new one.
I have two Dell GTX 1080's that came with my Aurora r7 as well. They look exactly the same as the 1070 shown in this video. I haven't seen any performance drawbacks due to increased heat though. Honestly they may look ugly but I a saved a ton of money buying GTX 1080's through Dell compared to Newegg or Amazon. When GPU prices are so high it's a pretty good deal.
Joseph Bfield I bought one with a single GTX 1080 and was initially worried with how it looked, thinking the performance would take a hit due to appearing to be cheap. But the system is super quiet and temps are nothing to worry about. It’s performing as it should, really.
From what i have seen these gpu's are mostly found in the new alienware aurora r7. You could probably buy them used on ebay if you search hard enough though. I would recommend just buying them from Dell though because they sell gtx 1080's at MSRP ($600) with the rest of the system. They actually gave me a better deal than PC part picker could for my system.
Link2448 I am actually very happy with my purchase from dell. They saved me a lot of money and i paid MSRP for graphics cards when the prices were inflated due to miners.
Well, Dell is a little better then some other OEM manufactures on average (no point in naming names). But yes, buying prebuilt OEM machines there does come about some compromises I don't agree with and why (aside from my first desktop and my notebooks) it's one of the many reasons I just prefer to build myself. It's a too bad one can't self build a notebook the way one can build a desktop. ;-)
It is for things like this that I will never buy anything pre-built again. They usually also have their own proprietary drivers for GPUs and other components that in my experience tends to make things screwy. Edit: additionally, they usually cost just as much or more to buy pre-built than it would to build yourself or to buy from a company like NZXT.
Kyle Ingram wrong. I got this system for $1100 after tax from bestbuy 2 months ago. U just need to know where and when to grab a deal. Then i just recently replaced this gtx 1070 with an evga hybrid 1080. Not because the 1070 has any problems like he mentioned but i like to make my system fully liquid cooled
Kyle Ingram please do not take anything from this video. This guy doesnt know what he is talking about. I built my pcs, and I built mining rigs... and i have no complain with my alienware given the price points being lower than what u can buy urself. And for this desktop, this case is designed to go with a Liquid Cool for the Cpu, it is his fault for cheaping out $50 and went with the air cooler, not Dell fault for giving that option. I dont give a damn about Pcb color but with a liquid cooler in place u have to admit that the case layout is very thought out and have no heat issues
Kyle Ingram in that case i would build myself rather than buying from ibuypower or nzxt because in my eyes they are the ones that is over charging and i can save on their over priced parts and labor by buying the parts myself (esp if i have time to hunt for deals over the course of a month) and build. But i can’t win the p/p battle with Dell and Hp after taking into account all the sales, promotions and cash back. The savings of $100-$200 for a Dell/Hp prebuilt over building myself or at least $200-$400 over Nzxt and the likes is significant for me
Green is actually as cheap as blue and slightly cheaper than some other finishes; however green mask layer was standardised by the military because it provided the best inspection quality, you can easily judge the thickness of the finish and see the traces underneath, which might be the reason some manufacturers choose green for OEM components, so they can use visual inspection and computer vision methods to slightly reduce the number of units that need warranty service, which is much more expensive for a whole PC than for a single component. Green can also have an optional feature not available with other finish colours, fluorescence that degrades thermally, so you can see instantly see overheating that happened in the past under a UV lamp, as well as any repair attempts and rework.
So, I've had an Alienware for 6 years. I have one of the original X51s. The determining factor, 6 years ago, was the warranty (which was really useful when the hard drive took a dump right before said warranty expired), and that I was being gifted this PC. I got to say that I wanted something to last me at least 4 years, which it's done, and the small form factor has been a bonus with all the moving I've done the past few years. And for the PC itself? It's done more than it's job. It still does. I replaced the GTX 555 that was in there after 2 years with a GTX 660 (which seems to be a common upgrade), and then a year or so after, upgraded from 8GB DDR3 to 16GB. I could, if I wanted, replace the 660 with something like a 1060 and get maybe a couple more years out of it, because even though it's not a k version, the i7-2600 isn't where I'm having issues. But, the computer's at end of life, and I'm very demanding, so I'm trying to replace it. While working in this tiny case is a real bear, it's so cramped it always hot (CPU idles around 67C, GPU hangs out in the 50s), the hard drive is mechanical, it doesn't like to close, and I can't get in there without it biting me, my main issue with this computer has honestly been with Dell. The BIOS shipped with this version is pretty restrictive. There's no way to let the RAM run at it's advertised speed. My 1866 kit is running at 1333. This is... "ugh, fine," for the HyperX kit I have, but some a PNY kit I'd previously tried? Didn't like it, kept bluescreening. ... Then there was the hard drive failure. That was the first time I ever lost my cool with someone at tech support. The tl;dr is: the drive self-checked and came back as failing. I was in the middle of a project. My old backup drive isn't working. It got information to send me a new one. I called Dell after to SPECIFICALLY ask if the drive would be imaged, and am told yes. (I run out at 3am to WalMart and buy a new backup.) Replacement drive arrives, says on the packaging it's imaged, plug drive in. Not imaged. Get worst tech support people ever on the phone and lose my cool, and go off. OS being overnighted. I actually called back and told them they're going to be re-installing drivers, and then I followed through and made them do it. (Because it should have been done already.) So yeah, love the actual computer, except when I have to work in it. Can't blame Dell for the drive failing, it happened in my previous 2 computers (not counting the Toshiba laptop I had). Can blame them for piss poor customer service. Sounds like it hasn't gotten better since.
that's weird, because alienwares cost tons of money and then they use greens pcbs on ram and gpu and a tiny boxed like cooler? i have the feeling dell is fooling us
The ram is samsung module 2666mhz and as far as i know samsung make the best memory. It is not an open case so why do u need aesthetic ? I dont care about heatsink for ram in a non K system. What matters is what kind of memory chip it is. It looks bad but use quality component is better because they can pass out the savings
Tuan Le i feel like you are lying to yourself. After watching this video you should know that this is not just "worse looking", but also worse performing, and that's where it gets unacceaptable. I mean, you buy a gaming pc with a high end i7 chip and you get this crappy cooler? Not to mention the price
sure, and we have to pay 3000 euroes to get a pc that i can get from another company for half the money, what feature justifies the big chunk of money u have to pay here
I have the GTX1080 version of this card in my Fractal Node ITX set up. Got it running with an undervolt, custom fan curve and an overclock and temperatures and performance are pretty good.Only paid £400 delivered for it new from an Ebay seller last November
I love that green! These days all we get is colors all over the place, making the classical green look like something fresh. And there's technical reasons for it too. The PCB itself is not green. It's the solder mask, a laquer that gets painted over the PCB to protect it from outside factors and keep stuff from getting in between the traces which can lead to shortcircuits. Also, green solder mask being the one that was used the most, got more "development" than the other colors and it can go thinner than all the others while having the same performance.
Dell UltraSharp monitors are great though. But I just paired it with a new ASUS ROG Strix GD30. I have yet to open up the computer to check out the build quality.
To clarify it is a Dell prebuilt PC not a custom assembled PC. Who cares what the inside looks like, it does not have a side window and it gets the job done.
Should Dell build that configuration with out liquid cooling, since that is what it looks like its made for, or have a better cpu cooling solution? No. Is Dell a boutique builder? Not really. Has iBuyPower and CyberPower(boutique builders) put out absolute garbage bulk build configuration systems? Hell yes! Greg, don't give iBuyPower or CyberPower credit they don't deserve. They are not of the quality of Origin, NZXT, or some other builders. Dell makes some dumb moves with some of there configurations. You definitely can make an argument that they charge to much. They do have some good and bad quality built products just like any other brand and there over all there quality in recent years is average or better for a manufacturer. As someone that has been refurbishing PCs for about 5 years now I can tell you that "most" of there product lines made since then are decent quality and there support is generally good relatively to there competitors.
Yup. Green solder mask is a bit cheaper than, say black or blue. It's also way cheaper than matte black because it requires extra process steps to complete.
i think it helps dell profit.,. if alienware does good, dell profits, alienware does bad, dell profits, both do good.. well.. profits. :) its a good position, financially. they are they're own competition. lol
I swapped an “msi” aero 1080 which ran very toasty with a reference titan x cooler. And the card runs up to 20c cooler. Upon further inspection the “msi” cards have no vapor chambers, just a tiny heatsink. Runs cool and quiet now and looks nice in the system. As for a bit of irony, I decided to write “gtx 1080” on a piece of paper and taped it on top of the titan x logo for extra lols.
To be fair. How many of these things matter. Now some yea totally agree. But some notes - Ram heatspreaders exist to sell ram. Not to cool ram. Or call it 80/20. You’ll see exposed to air it’s probably cooler. If they put a psu in that handles power needs and no more, that’s cool. For most people anyway Non K cpu? Well if you don’t care to overclock (which is a waste on that 8700, which ocs nicely but in previous gens was meh sometimes) it saves $50. Probably binned. Cpu cooler - well tbh in the enthusiast world we’ve gotten all about some 30C chips. But... there’s nothing wrong with a 70C chip. It loses headroom- etc but it doesn’t break etc. and you aren’t pverclocking so I’m sure they made sure it ran cool enough and left it. You pay a big premium for name brand everything. And the nice gas is on everything. But it’s inside the PC and most people don’t care. I’m fine with them doing this. In fact, I sometimes have to pause and think how ridiculous it is that I bought $300 worth of fans. When I could have gotten nearly equivalent ones for $20! So they don’t last as long or light up or are a little louder. For the money I could have saved I could have replaced them every 3 months and still came out ahead. Light up ram, cool looking GPUs. Water cooled everything. 2000 watt rgb psu with custom color cables? Let’s be real. Fun yea. Necessary? No. Worth the 100%+ price premium? No way. So it goes both ways. OEM is about looking at design specs and meeting those specs for as cheap as possible. Enthusiast market is about maxing our the engineering specs. Within reason. The spec differences you showed were in the +/- 5% range. For the average kid who wants to play a game, that’s cool. You know I never hooked up my Xbox. And what is that but a PC stripped to minimum specs possible. My car is sensible. My PC is not. There are lots of other people in the world that go the other way on that. So whatever. Alienware isn’t really a hardware enthusiast PC. It’s more of a software predominant platform. Like I mean it probably runs windows just as cleanly as my PC that cost 3x as much. So it’s probably a better value. I think about that sometimes when I think about how much I paid on my machine
Say what you want but I and everyone I know had nothing but amazing experiences with Dell machines ranging from useful upgrade headroom to reliability for more than the system's useful lifespan.
Tyrion great, i am using gtx 1080ti and never thinking to upgrade because if i upgrade, i have to upgrade my old i5 6600k to i9 cannonlake which is not come out yet, a good z390 which also not comeout yet, a ddr5 which is not comeout yet, a gtx 1180ti which is not comeout yet, a 1000w hyper plus which is not comeout yet, a super liquid metal aio cpu cooler which also not comeout yet... and the last , diamond rgb trips for extra beauty....also are not come out yet...that is why i still stuck which my i5 6600k vs gtx 1080ti, poor me...=D
Tyrion Get a 1060 6gb or something. I'm rocking a 4790k i7 with ddr3 no overclocking, I had a 750ti 2gb model and it increased my game performance by a lot.
Tyrion What's your system? I don't see why you couldn't upgrade just your gpu, if a 750ti works, a 1060 or even a 1050ti should work which would be cheaper.
I have that card. I don't mind the green backplate, it looks cool I think, in more systemy-techy way. But it does get hot and it did freeze up on me couple of times. But I bought second hand. I changed thermal pads and thermalpaste a year ago and it works good. It does get hot, it's summer now and on idle it reaches up to 60C on default fan speed. It's a cheap 1070 but if you give an external cooler for temperature, it's just as good.
XsBigBoi my hp omens 1080ti is fantastic. Light up GeForce. Back plate metal on the shroud. Also water cooled 8700k kicking ass. Maybe next time don't go with the cheapest prebuilt they sell and wonder why it looks cheap?
What if I were to modify the card and replace the stock cooler with a Raijintek Morphus II aftermarket cooler? Do you think a massive after market cooler could alleviate the thermal and acoustic problems with this blower style card and bring it on par with a not-cheaply-made GTX 1070?
Why are you picking on an OEM piece of hardware?? Its OEM what do u expect? Its not supposed to be pretty, its supposed to be functional... this whole video is pointless.
Dell is being smart because they understand that people who buy their computers don’t care what the inside of the case looks like. They care about cost and performance. The only reason you would build your own computer these days is because of interest and enthusiasm in doing so. To believe it’s to save money is also to believe that your time is only worth money when your not having fun.
or because you can save the 100+ $ on the price to have it shipped and assembled to just make it on your own with full freedom of component choice. That is another good reason....you can also make it exactly how you want it with what ever brands you like. Take advantage of sales and bundles to further save money that you wont get from a pre-built. Idk what you mean by "the only reason you would build your own computer these days is because of interest". That statement is just not true.
I recognized that card right off the bat... That flimsy plastic sheet you complained about is where the MSI logo would go on the "real" version, and it's a solid piece of plastic for the MSI-branded ones. I think the Dell cooler is a thinner plastic... It seemed REALLY flimsy in your hands. I had my hands on the Ti version [MSI 1070 Ti Aero, at Micro Center], and it felt pretty sturdy. Not as sturdy as something like their Gaming X cards or an EVGA card, but sturdy enough that it didn't feel like cheap crap.
I had a GTX 970 like this. All black cooler, 1 8 pin connector (so it was a custom board because reference 970's had a pair of 6 pins, and on the back there were random sheets of metal. Like a backplate but it only covered 15% of the card. Cooling was crap too unless you cranked the fan, but it was a great overclocker. Stable at 1560mhz if you were willing to have a leaf blower in your PC. Ah and I almost forgot the coil whine was horrible.
They literally took the cheapest, shittiest component they could find and put it in a pretty case. A pig with lipstick is still a PIG. Hahaha! Shameless Dell.
The price of the green pcb mask isn't any cheaper compared to other colors. However green solder mask can be made with a higher resolution. This increases yields of boards and is thereby cheaper. (Source: forum.pjrc.com/threads/24950-Teensy-3-1-Changes-To-Green-PCB) Also from personal experience are green pcbs much easier to inspect under a microscope for quality control.
Growing up in the 90s when Alienware first hit the scene that was every kid's dream to have an Alienware PC. I guess now if I had unlimited amount of money and I didn't want to build one myself I'd probably go through Falcon Northwest
Tryed to upgrade an Alienware i7 2nd gen from the 600 series GTX graphics card, with a 1060, damm that thing was unhappy. No BIOS updates avalible, and the thing would often not POST, somtimes loading windows and then shutting off suddenly. After quite a bit of fiddeling got the thing working again with the original card and wrote it off for any upgrades. It could of just been a cheap PSU, but I think it was an issue with the BIOS/PCI. What was really strange was the PC had 'battery backup' internal lights so you can work on the pc with the mains off, with it nicely iluminated. Also it had a AIO water cooler on the proccessor... and the worst air flow in a HUGE ass case. Looked nice.
in their defense, the area 51 I was using came with a liquid cooler on a 5960X. And the graphics cards were Nvidia reference cards. So maybe it's specifically depends on whether or not it's Aurora or area 51
I really only recommend services like CyberPower or IBuyPower if you feel uncomfortable building a system/you're building a rather expensive system as the build cost won't look as bad compared to the parts. I had a pretty good experience with IBuyPower back in 2013, but I couldn't comment on nowadays. They have a lot of options, and they do handle the build pretty well, I just wish I had built it because I could've saved so much on shipping & the build cost. *A warning to everyone, unless it's urgent, don't order the rushed build to avoid massive fees.* XP I paid just about a grand for a computer that was probably worth $700 at most at the time because I needed it for a class I was taking in college... granted, that was an excuse to get a gaming computer finally, but a genuine one as it was for 3D modelling. I haven't taken that much further, but I do use my computer for editing videos & images pretty frequently, even though I'm now 3 computers in due to complicated circumstances. XP
The office stuff from Dell is really great and works well forever without any problems whatsoever. I worked for a refurbisher for many years and we got our machines from govermental agencies and banks and so on. When you buy thousands of machines you want them to work, but with the Alienware Stuff it seems to be different. Same with HP. Their Consumber Notebooks were crap and died like flies for a long time while you can pretty much do to a business HP Laptop whatever you can think of and it will work fine. My dad still uses one I gave him in 2010 (built in 2007) and to this date works great. (Did I mention he's insane?) Anyway great video. Although I have to add that this cheaping out is not really for margins rather just to be able to compete in this market. They really don't make a lot of money with they Alienware brand as a whole.
Recommendation, take a quality picture of the PCB without the cooler and send it to Actually Hardcore Overclocker so Buildzoid can give his opinion about the quality of components, fabrication, number of phases and general thoughts of the construction. It may be a copy off the MSI Aero 1070 but there are chances that they could have cheaper ever more the components inside of the PCB.
THIS is why one should avoid certain pre-builts. Nowdays prebuilts can actually be a great value for money, however companies like Dell are more than happy to cheap out as much as possible, in ways that you would never do if you were building the machine yourself. I won't argue for savings, but I will say that when you build your own custom machine, YOU can make sure that everything that goes into it is of the quality that you expect.
I have an r7 with liquid cooled cpu and the gtx 1080ti. I’m quite pleased with the price and performance. Was still cheaper than me building myself. I’d buy again.
Green PCBs work the best for the cameras in the AOI(Automated optical inspection) machines. Darker boards tend to have more bad parts slip through because it is harder for the camera to differentiate part and board.
I would temper your opinion with what the machine is being used for. I have brought one of these for a business that needed something with a little bit more grunt for some light graphics work and CAD usage and it was considerably cheaper than the official options and performed perfectly in the use case and the warrantee options make a big difference to a business. If you have a specific use or want to play games I wouldn't recommend Dell. but for peace of mind for a general purpose machine for home or the office, they offer great value imo. that card looks a little nasty but its quiet in the machine we ordered with it as it isn't being asked to play graphics heavy games ;)
I know it’s been around 2 years since you posted this video, but can you please help me out by answering these questions. I also have the exact same alienweare PC. I plan to upgrade my graphics card from the GTX 1070, to RTX 2080 super. But fist I’m going to upgrade my power supply to a 750 watt. Do you think there is anything else I should upgrade? Also I measured the length of my graphics card, and saw it was about 10.5 inches. Which is the maximum length of a graph you can put in. In addition I saw online that the RTX 2080 Super founders edition is also 10.5 inches. I just wanted to make sure if that was true also.
from what Ive seen. Dell, the PC cost $1500 for a consumer to make they will sell it for $3000 yet they will do anything to save an extra couple of dollars. Not to mention my dad got me a Dell laptop once, the chip that allowed the battery to charge died, they replaced the entire motherboard and in the process removed and didn't replace the blu tooth component that my dad had them paid extra to get and by the time we had noticed we just decided to get a laptop that isn't a Dell. Regarding MSI I just recently uninstalled one more piece of bloatware (MSI X boost) that MSI tries to give you with its driver software as I realized it had slowed my Ryzen 1600 down to a crawl making it barely able to play Minecraft at 100% CPU usage where it previously took 5 of my most CPU heavy games running together to bring it over 60% and show any performance effects.
... which is probably why some of Alienware’s founders chose to break clean after the sale (rather than stay with the now Dell division) to form OriginPC...
I work for computer parts manufacture who sells to Dell. Believe it or not, Dell has higher quality computers comparing to self build. Every company wants to sell to Dell, Dell enforces parts manufacture to run qualification tests before they purchase in quantity. Dell also do integration test on the entire system to ensure all parts are working together. Comparing to self build PC. Nobody has done any test on the custom combination of parts. Sometimes even a fan speed can mess up performance due to resident frequency.
What bothers me the most with Alienware is that most of the time in their packages, they pair up a 500+$ cpu with a 200-250$ graphic card in the base model. If you're not willing to build your own computer, just find a local small shop that will do it for you. It'll cost you only 50$ more, the job will be well done and you'll have accessible technical support that doesn't require you to lose your computer for 2 weeks.
Strange. I’ve had an aurora R7 with this card for almost a year now and it’s performed exceptionally in basically every way compared to other PC’s I’ve had.
I can't even describe how much I looked where my 1080ti came from. It's an hp made 1080ti still have not seen any one post about it. This is the closest thing.
As someone who's owned both a Dell and an Alienware computer (I know, both are Dell), I can assure you that their cost savings in manufacturing really does make them loads of money, even though the parts fail really quickly. Here's why. Most people don't think to throw money at the Warranty, so they largely don't have to FIX most of these garbage bin parts. And on top of that, their warranty extensions more than pay for the parts they replace, considering the parts replaced are always refurbished and almost never new. I have this EXACT 1070 in one of our computers that was sent over to replace the garbage they sent me prior that failed entirely 4 years later, problem after fucking problem. And the hoops their tech support has you jump through trying to find ANY way they can to NOT serve you is absolutely horrific. I would never recommend Dell to ANYONE, EVER PERIOD.
This explains so much. My pc proforms so much better than my friends alien, but his specs are way better. I think heats the major factor in performance loss. Mines over cooled so I don't throttle.
Im in the circuit board industry... the green solder mask is not cheaper than any other color. its exactly the same
i also agree. i think its more about the manufacturing. they just chose green. simple haha
Just to piss people off
Jeremy Clarkson haha fuckin hell thats probably so true!
Is it perhaps cheaper in places that don't regularly use othet colours? Surely it takes some work to switch over to a different colour?
I'm not trying to be racist to red aliens or anything... but Earth people tend to stereotypically think that all aliens are green.
Green PCB is just there to match the Alienware theme.
From the pic I could tell it seemed oddly familiar to the MSI AERO 1070 shroud...because I have one...which I'm trying to sell...
Rusty Shackleford how much lol?
Rusty Shackleford I'll give u 3 dollars and a stick of gum.
200$?
Cya Bob 200? You wish...
That's exactly my thought. xD
Soldermask doesn't protect the components on it. It protects the traces and make SMT easier. MSI is the OEM for DELL I'm sure DELL told them a price they wanted and MSI made changes to make it that price point.
who cares really? its a 1070, it will do the job.
Sure. It'll do the job while running hotter and louder.
its perfect for a build where you won't see the inside, same as the ram, id be much more concerned with that heat sink for the CPU that ... well i have no words for that tbh. especially for a 8700(k) ... lord have mercy.
TheTechOasis What’s weird though is that you can’t purchase an Aurora with an 8700k without it being liquid cooled.
For much much cheaper.
@@GregSalazar They all run at different temperatures. Some are blower, some are open-air, some have one fan, some two, some three. If you're that concerned, get a liquid cooler.
No window for that computer
Probably for the best.
Odd thing is that while the alienware stuff is really bad from dell.... the actual dell branded machines are better in many ways.
The Alienware Aurora is indeed rather poor, bad parts and rather sub par hardware to boot and at a rather high price.
Comparatively the Dell Inspiron gaming desktop series offers an actual value for what it offers and the internals are actually better despite being from the same company.
I would actually buy the dell over the alienware if i was not into PC building, the parts can be interchanged and upgraded with ease.
Alienware was pretty good before dell took over.
Indeed, and we know why dell bought them out.... brand recognition.
Alienware was well known for gaming PC's while dell was not.
Still though its not a total loss, alienware branded laptops are actually very decent and dont do too badly compared to other gaming laptop brands.
Then again this is a common thing with dell, dell desktops tended to be rather poor in the past but still made very decent laptops.
Nowadays Dell is very good in many areas... though the alienware branded desktops leave a lot to be desired.
TheMadonePlays this particular pc is very upgradable u name it. Psu, ram, gpu, cpu, what else you name it. I was even able to jam in a liquid cool gpu to replace the stock gpu so i dont know what u are talking about
Dell probably wants to get rid of Alienware. They probably don't really make money off them, even the alienware laptop suck compared to the inspiron and g series.
I wasnt saying the alienware could not be upgraded, I was just making the case for the dell
Anyone else actually still like green PCB?
IDK maybe I'm just a nostalgic nutter.
FourEye no
I certainly don’t care what color the components are as I prefer a windowless black box and will only see them during maintenance and upgrades.
i love it actually. it would be really fun to flash and mod and overclock and stuff this card :)/ haha. Cheers
You really missed a solid point of these cards dude, you can pick them up on eBay etc for sometimes 1/4th the price and they are fully functional albeit ugly but who cares at those prices. Then since it's a reference design you can snag up a reference heatsink and fans for it. Bam you just grabbed a 1070 that's ugly as shit with a new heatsink/cooler/fan combo for $210. You can't beat that anywhere and who cares about ugly at that point for extreme budget builds. (Be aware depending on reference cooler snaged up from 3rd party sellers / resellers may need a $10 internal fan hub to use but again $220 1070 who cares)
How do you buy that
That plastic flimsy piece is for the the routing of the tubing on the AIO CLC "hybrid" versions of that card (made by MSI). Looks like they just punch it out when using the same shroud on their two different cards.
I bought one of these for 220.00 used before the mining craze. No issues so far and has lasted me over a year. I did swap the cooler though after about 4 months
Can't wait for them to put this on the market...
Why? Its hotter, uglier, slower and louder. Wanna buy Shit? Buy Apple Products instead :D
apple does not make shit products so your comment is irrelevant
Not? Didn´t you hear about the uproar cause of the Macbook Air Pro? Dust will come from above throught the Keyboard. The Macbook won´t start anymore cause the new used Butterfly Keypads are Shit. Wanna get it fixed? 700 Dollars pls. Thats what Apple is doing right now... So pls inform yourself before you say Apple isn´t making shit... they are... and they aren´t interested in fixing their shit unless you buy so much Money that you just could buy a new one.
CASH ME OUTSIDE HOW BOUT DAT Apple Mouse that charge under the mouse? Makes sense.
you're trying to say that the company is shit and is overpriced but their products are well made I'm mostly talking about their phones
I have two Dell GTX 1080's that came with my Aurora r7 as well. They look exactly the same as the 1070 shown in this video. I haven't seen any performance drawbacks due to increased heat though. Honestly they may look ugly but I a saved a ton of money buying GTX 1080's through Dell compared to Newegg or Amazon. When GPU prices are so high it's a pretty good deal.
Joseph Bfield I bought one with a single GTX 1080 and was initially worried with how it looked, thinking the performance would take a hit due to appearing to be cheap. But the system is super quiet and temps are nothing to worry about. It’s performing as it should, really.
Where the hell u can buy it bro?
Iqm from asian i not seen tgis gpu in here
From what i have seen these gpu's are mostly found in the new alienware aurora r7. You could probably buy them used on ebay if you search hard enough though. I would recommend just buying them from Dell though because they sell gtx 1080's at MSRP ($600) with the rest of the system. They actually gave me a better deal than PC part picker could for my system.
Link2448 I am actually very happy with my purchase from dell. They saved me a lot of money and i paid MSRP for graphics cards when the prices were inflated due to miners.
i wouldn't spend 10 dollars on that gou with a green pcb. I also wouldn't give dell a dollar
Well, Dell is a little better then some other OEM manufactures on average (no point in naming names). But yes, buying prebuilt OEM machines there does come about some compromises I don't agree with and why (aside from my first desktop and my notebooks) it's one of the many reasons I just prefer to build myself. It's a too bad one can't self build a notebook the way one can build a desktop. ;-)
It came from an Alienware, what could you expect
Doesn't matter. Buy a prebuilt from Acer, Asus, HP, Lenovo, and others and you will get the same thing.
GrayFox370 I wanted to add "if not worse" but let's be honnest. They can't make it worse
It a joke m8 , Alien's blood is green so....
GrayFox370 the difference is price. You expect to get crap from other brands, Alienware is extremely overpriced for garbage
It is for things like this that I will never buy anything pre-built again. They usually also have their own proprietary drivers for GPUs and other components that in my experience tends to make things screwy.
Edit: additionally, they usually cost just as much or more to buy pre-built than it would to build yourself or to buy from a company like NZXT.
Kyle Ingram wrong. I got this system for $1100 after tax from bestbuy 2 months ago. U just need to know where and when to grab a deal. Then i just recently replaced this gtx 1070 with an evga hybrid 1080. Not because the 1070 has any problems like he mentioned but i like to make my system fully liquid cooled
Kyle Ingram please do not take anything from this video. This guy doesnt know what he is talking about. I built my pcs, and I built mining rigs... and i have no complain with my alienware given the price points being lower than what u can buy urself. And for this desktop, this case is designed to go with a Liquid Cool for the Cpu, it is his fault for cheaping out $50 and went with the air cooler, not Dell fault for giving that option. I dont give a damn about Pcb color but with a liquid cooler in place u have to admit that the case layout is very thought out and have no heat issues
its still cheaper to buy a prebuilt with the GPU pricing and this dell is just fine for average users who don't need a lot.
Tuan Le I’m sure it’s a fine PC, I just personally agree that it would be better to get a prebuilt from companies like NZXT or ibuypower
Kyle Ingram in that case i would build myself rather than buying from ibuypower or nzxt because in my eyes they are the ones that is over charging and i can save on their over priced parts and labor by buying the parts myself (esp if i have time to hunt for deals over the course of a month) and build. But i can’t win the p/p battle with Dell and Hp after taking into account all the sales, promotions and cash back. The savings of $100-$200 for a Dell/Hp prebuilt over building myself or at least $200-$400 over Nzxt and the likes is significant for me
Green is actually as cheap as blue and slightly cheaper than some other finishes; however green mask layer was standardised by the military because it provided the best inspection quality, you can easily judge the thickness of the finish and see the traces underneath, which might be the reason some manufacturers choose green for OEM components, so they can use visual inspection and computer vision methods to slightly reduce the number of units that need warranty service, which is much more expensive for a whole PC than for a single component. Green can also have an optional feature not available with other finish colours, fluorescence that degrades thermally, so you can see instantly see overheating that happened in the past under a UV lamp, as well as any repair attempts and rework.
This is very cool! Thanks for sharing!
I knew from the start that is msi card, I saw this in othe prebuilds not only dell's.
So, I've had an Alienware for 6 years. I have one of the original X51s. The determining factor, 6 years ago, was the warranty (which was really useful when the hard drive took a dump right before said warranty expired), and that I was being gifted this PC. I got to say that I wanted something to last me at least 4 years, which it's done, and the small form factor has been a bonus with all the moving I've done the past few years. And for the PC itself? It's done more than it's job. It still does.
I replaced the GTX 555 that was in there after 2 years with a GTX 660 (which seems to be a common upgrade), and then a year or so after, upgraded from 8GB DDR3 to 16GB. I could, if I wanted, replace the 660 with something like a 1060 and get maybe a couple more years out of it, because even though it's not a k version, the i7-2600 isn't where I'm having issues. But, the computer's at end of life, and I'm very demanding, so I'm trying to replace it.
While working in this tiny case is a real bear, it's so cramped it always hot (CPU idles around 67C, GPU hangs out in the 50s), the hard drive is mechanical, it doesn't like to close, and I can't get in there without it biting me, my main issue with this computer has honestly been with Dell.
The BIOS shipped with this version is pretty restrictive. There's no way to let the RAM run at it's advertised speed. My 1866 kit is running at 1333. This is... "ugh, fine," for the HyperX kit I have, but some a PNY kit I'd previously tried? Didn't like it, kept bluescreening. ... Then there was the hard drive failure. That was the first time I ever lost my cool with someone at tech support. The tl;dr is: the drive self-checked and came back as failing. I was in the middle of a project. My old backup drive isn't working. It got information to send me a new one. I called Dell after to SPECIFICALLY ask if the drive would be imaged, and am told yes. (I run out at 3am to WalMart and buy a new backup.) Replacement drive arrives, says on the packaging it's imaged, plug drive in. Not imaged. Get worst tech support people ever on the phone and lose my cool, and go off. OS being overnighted. I actually called back and told them they're going to be re-installing drivers, and then I followed through and made them do it. (Because it should have been done already.)
So yeah, love the actual computer, except when I have to work in it. Can't blame Dell for the drive failing, it happened in my previous 2 computers (not counting the Toshiba laptop I had). Can blame them for piss poor customer service. Sounds like it hasn't gotten better since.
that's weird, because alienwares cost tons of money and then they use greens pcbs on ram and gpu and a tiny boxed like cooler? i have the feeling dell is fooling us
scudsturm1 most likely the ram is standard ddr4 2133mhz.
Beacuse alien is green 👽
The ram is samsung module 2666mhz and as far as i know samsung make the best memory. It is not an open case so why do u need aesthetic ? I dont care about heatsink for ram in a non K system. What matters is what kind of memory chip it is. It looks bad but use quality component is better because they can pass out the savings
Tuan Le i feel like you are lying to yourself. After watching this video you should know that this is not just "worse looking", but also worse performing, and that's where it gets unacceaptable. I mean, you buy a gaming pc with a high end i7 chip and you get this crappy cooler? Not to mention the price
sure, and we have to pay 3000 euroes to get a pc that i can get from another company for half the money, what feature justifies the big chunk of money u have to pay here
I have the GTX1080 version of this card in my Fractal Node ITX set up. Got it running with an undervolt, custom fan curve and an overclock and temperatures and performance are pretty good.Only paid £400 delivered for it new from an Ebay seller last November
Oh no, my battery is dead
Thanks for sponsoring us!
Haha I thought the same thing.
TruckerBomb Hey what's up bud?! Seen you in the Q&A the other night.
TruckerBomb Are you in the discord?
Mr KF GaminG yes. Been a patreon subscriber for several months as well
I love that green! These days all we get is colors all over the place, making the classical green look like something fresh. And there's technical reasons for it too. The PCB itself is not green. It's the solder mask, a laquer that gets painted over the PCB to protect it from outside factors and keep stuff from getting in between the traces which can lead to shortcircuits. Also, green solder mask being the one that was used the most, got more "development" than the other colors and it can go thinner than all the others while having the same performance.
Dell UltraSharp monitors are great though. But I just paired it with a new ASUS ROG Strix GD30. I have yet to open up the computer to check out the build quality.
1:15
LMAO BRUUUH WHO MANUFACTURED THIS 😂👌💯
To clarify it is a Dell prebuilt PC not a custom assembled PC. Who cares what the inside looks like, it does not have a side window and it gets the job done.
It runs loud. It runs hot (both the GPU and CPU). The layout literally chokes the CPU's tiny cooler. Don't make excuses for this.
Should Dell build that configuration with out liquid cooling, since that is what it looks like its made for, or have a better cpu cooling solution? No. Is Dell a boutique builder? Not really. Has iBuyPower and CyberPower(boutique builders) put out absolute garbage bulk build configuration systems? Hell yes! Greg, don't give iBuyPower or CyberPower credit they don't deserve. They are not of the quality of Origin, NZXT, or some other builders.
Dell makes some dumb moves with some of there configurations. You definitely can make an argument that they charge to much. They do have some good and bad quality built products just like any other brand and there over all there quality in recent years is average or better for a manufacturer. As someone that has been refurbishing PCs for about 5 years now I can tell you that "most" of there product lines made since then are decent quality and there support is generally good relatively to there competitors.
Yup. Green solder mask is a bit cheaper than, say black or blue. It's also way cheaper than matte black because it requires extra process steps to complete.
they do that in their Alienware line?!? wooooooooooooow
spiv alienware used to mean something, and then dell bought them, they always were overly expensive, but now they're using awful build quality
i think it helps dell profit.,. if alienware does good, dell profits, alienware does bad, dell profits, both do good.. well.. profits. :) its a good position, financially. they are they're own competition. lol
I'm actually using an HP OEM GTX 1070 in my gaming PC. It was salvaged from an HP OMEN desktop that died after three weeks.
RiceFlavoredGum imo the HP gpu isn't nearly this cheap looking?
Finally someone is gone after the OEMs👍🔥🔥
the green+black+yellow looks kinda nice
any color is nice if it's saturated rather than faded brown
These cheap cards are nice if you just want the board to slap a water block on it
Thomas Goward The fact that "binning" exists tells us you're going to lose the silicon lottery if you buy this card.
Good luck finding a waterblock that'll fit that card :P
FlamingRadar its a reference board...
To my knowledge it's not.
FlamingRadar 3:23 NV logo on the board
I swapped an “msi” aero 1080 which ran very toasty with a reference titan x cooler. And the card runs up to 20c cooler. Upon further inspection the “msi” cards have no vapor chambers, just a tiny heatsink. Runs cool and quiet now and looks nice in the system. As for a bit of irony, I decided to write “gtx 1080” on a piece of paper and taped it on top of the titan x logo for extra lols.
Good shirt!
not seen that 1 darkside of the moon and radio kaos both on it
Also, don’t forget PowerSpec from Microcenter. They use parts off their store shelves to build the rigs.
To be fair. How many of these things matter. Now some yea totally agree.
But some notes -
Ram heatspreaders exist to sell ram. Not to cool ram. Or call it 80/20. You’ll see exposed to air it’s probably cooler.
If they put a psu in that handles power needs and no more, that’s cool. For most people anyway
Non K cpu? Well if you don’t care to overclock (which is a waste on that 8700, which ocs nicely but in previous gens was meh sometimes) it saves $50. Probably binned.
Cpu cooler - well tbh in the enthusiast world we’ve gotten all about some 30C chips. But... there’s nothing wrong with a 70C chip. It loses headroom- etc but it doesn’t break etc. and you aren’t pverclocking so I’m sure they made sure it ran cool enough and left it.
You pay a big premium for name brand everything. And the nice gas is on everything. But it’s inside the PC and most people don’t care.
I’m fine with them doing this.
In fact, I sometimes have to pause and think how ridiculous it is that I bought $300 worth of fans. When I could have gotten nearly equivalent ones for $20! So they don’t last as long or light up or are a little louder. For the money I could have saved I could have replaced them every 3 months and still came out ahead.
Light up ram, cool looking GPUs. Water cooled everything. 2000 watt rgb psu with custom color cables? Let’s be real. Fun yea. Necessary? No. Worth the 100%+ price premium? No way.
So it goes both ways. OEM is about looking at design specs and meeting those specs for as cheap as possible. Enthusiast market is about maxing our the engineering specs. Within reason.
The spec differences you showed were in the +/- 5% range. For the average kid who wants to play a game, that’s cool.
You know I never hooked up my Xbox. And what is that but a PC stripped to minimum specs possible.
My car is sensible. My PC is not. There are lots of other people in the world that go the other way on that. So whatever.
Alienware isn’t really a hardware enthusiast PC. It’s more of a software predominant platform. Like I mean it probably runs windows just as cleanly as my PC that cost 3x as much. So it’s probably a better value. I think about that sometimes when I think about how much I paid on my machine
Say what you want but I and everyone I know had nothing but amazing experiences with Dell machines ranging from useful upgrade headroom to reliability for more than the system's useful lifespan.
I'm still rocking my 750Ti. Hardware isn't cheap ._.
With the GPU upgrade, I'd need a CPU upgrade = new MoBo = new RAM
And maybe a new PSU
Tyrion great, i am using gtx 1080ti and never thinking to upgrade because if i upgrade, i have to upgrade my old i5 6600k to i9 cannonlake which is not come out yet, a good z390 which also not comeout yet, a ddr5 which is not comeout yet, a gtx 1180ti which is not comeout yet, a 1000w hyper plus which is not comeout yet, a super liquid metal aio cpu cooler which also not comeout yet... and the last , diamond rgb trips for extra beauty....also are not come out yet...that is why i still stuck which my i5 6600k vs gtx 1080ti, poor me...=D
Oh oh, i fogot to mention that i hadnot planning for my next Robber banks yet...until my plans finish, i gonna thinking about upgrade
Tyrion
Get a 1060 6gb or something.
I'm rocking a 4790k i7 with ddr3 no overclocking, I had a 750ti 2gb model and it increased my game performance by a lot.
Tyrion
What's your system? I don't see why you couldn't upgrade just your gpu, if a 750ti works, a 1060 or even a 1050ti should work which would be cheaper.
Tyrion check if the 750ti supports SLI
Great video. Thanks for the video, it was informative. Just what I needed to hear.
There is a reason I have your videos on notification.. QUALITY.
I appreciate it.
Maybe hit that sponsor button too then? You get a cool battery logo 😮
I have that card. I don't mind the green backplate, it looks cool I think, in more systemy-techy way. But it does get hot and it did freeze up on me couple of times. But I bought second hand. I changed thermal pads and thermalpaste a year ago and it works good. It does get hot, it's summer now and on idle it reaches up to 60C on default fan speed. It's a cheap 1070 but if you give an external cooler for temperature, it's just as good.
I understand that Alienware/dell makes mass productions of these but honestly this is just too cheap
Quote from Porsche "First it must work if it also looks nice its a bonus"
You think that's bad you should see the HP Omen 880 1060 3gb
omg it looks like a geforce 4. lolll
m.ebay.com/itm/HP-Omen-NVIDIA-Geforce-GTX-1060-3GB-GDDR5/332652440349?hash=item4d73a16b1d:g:r3YAAOSwhQtazoS0&_trkparms=gclientid%3DHujGrjyu5xx8JokoDy_Z-JonC-1VkAGp2KKuMpL_3rfhrrBa-xfLozuuCzot_4YE&_trksid=p2489528.m4335.l8656
XsBigBoi my hp omens 1080ti is fantastic. Light up GeForce. Back plate metal on the shroud. Also water cooled 8700k kicking ass. Maybe next time don't go with the cheapest prebuilt they sell and wonder why it looks cheap?
Lol
What if I were to modify the card and replace the stock cooler with a Raijintek Morphus II aftermarket cooler? Do you think a massive after market cooler could alleviate the thermal and acoustic problems with this blower style card and bring it on par with a not-cheaply-made GTX 1070?
Why are you picking on an OEM piece of hardware?? Its OEM what do u expect? Its not supposed to be pretty, its supposed to be functional... this whole video is pointless.
well played sir....i question the integrity of his entire channel now... unsub...
Eternal Rest Have you watched his videos on other people's pcs being sold? Crying about ugly cables and stupid shit like that lol
Dell is being smart because they understand that people who buy their computers don’t care what the inside of the case looks like.
They care about cost and performance. The only reason you would build your own computer these days is because of interest and enthusiasm in doing so. To believe it’s to save money is also to believe that your time is only worth money when your not having fun.
or because you can save the 100+ $ on the price to have it shipped and assembled to just make it on your own with full freedom of component choice. That is another good reason....you can also make it exactly how you want it with what ever brands you like. Take advantage of sales and bundles to further save money that you wont get from a pre-built. Idk what you mean by "the only reason you would build your own computer these days is because of interest". That statement is just not true.
S captures That statement is so millenian LMFAO, i bet you are one of those who call an electrician just to change a lightbulb 😂😂
I bought the DELL GTX 1080 for mining @ £400 paid for its self in 6 months. Card is was for its price very happy.
Great video. I guess dell wont be sending you anything else though lol
Thanks for the benchmarks/commentary! You just saved me some hard earned cash :)
I just picked up one of these for $350 USD, was it a good deal? Also, will the heat hurt performance too much?
Just bought one myself. How does it perform?
its not that huge of a difference. he made it out to be way more dramatic than it actually is. Content i guess
I recognized that card right off the bat... That flimsy plastic sheet you complained about is where the MSI logo would go on the "real" version, and it's a solid piece of plastic for the MSI-branded ones. I think the Dell cooler is a thinner plastic... It seemed REALLY flimsy in your hands. I had my hands on the Ti version [MSI 1070 Ti Aero, at Micro Center], and it felt pretty sturdy. Not as sturdy as something like their Gaming X cards or an EVGA card, but sturdy enough that it didn't feel like cheap crap.
when you say that's what happens when someone else builds a computer for you, I assume you mean pre-built rather than custom built?
obviously
obviously
Science Studio 😂😂
Sorry, I just got slightly confused
Alienware:
Your crush on the outside, your ex wife on the inside
Mother Should I Trust The Government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Ken Howard OOh, aah, is it just a waste of time?
OK, time for someone else to join in.
Ken Howard :D
Nitpick: that's from the wall, not dark side of the moon.
I had a GTX 970 like this. All black cooler, 1 8 pin connector (so it was a custom board because reference 970's had a pair of 6 pins, and on the back there were random sheets of metal. Like a backplate but it only covered 15% of the card. Cooling was crap too unless you cranked the fan, but it was a great overclocker. Stable at 1560mhz if you were willing to have a leaf blower in your PC. Ah and I almost forgot the coil whine was horrible.
What's your problem with green?! Green is beautiful!
Dmitry Rudoy Green is like, standard computer color. specifically that nasty green the dell 1070 uses
well if it didnt have that ugly plastic cooler it might have been a nice retro look.
Puke green xd
This is hulk greeen xD
Well, it's Alien-green, it's nvidia-green, would go good together with green lighting.
I wonder if there was a difference in thermal paste quality
They literally took the cheapest, shittiest component they could find and put it in a pretty case. A pig with lipstick is still a PIG. Hahaha! Shameless Dell.
The price of the green pcb mask isn't any cheaper compared to other colors. However green solder mask can be made with a higher resolution. This increases yields of boards and is thereby cheaper. (Source: forum.pjrc.com/threads/24950-Teensy-3-1-Changes-To-Green-PCB)
Also from personal experience are green pcbs much easier to inspect under a microscope for quality control.
Yikes that is one CHEEEEEEEEEEEAP card! Glad I don't buy Dell PC's anymore. Yuck!
Polaris Lakewell even the cpu coolers on those are hideous.
Polaris Lakewell are you talking about the dell poweredge rack or precision?
That cooler looks like something I saw in prebuilt machnies 10 years ago. Why are they still doing that.
I have the card in my dell, literally have had no issues with it and it runs games insanely well.
MidnightBanshi Y U C K
make a series where you open up prebuilts and maybe rate them. That would be a cool series and original dont think others have done it
Love the GN mod mat. Keep supporting tech jesus!
Growing up in the 90s when Alienware first hit the scene that was every kid's dream to have an Alienware PC. I guess now if I had unlimited amount of money and I didn't want to build one myself I'd probably go through Falcon Northwest
The Green PCB is really nostalgic
Tryed to upgrade an Alienware i7 2nd gen from the 600 series GTX graphics card, with a 1060, damm that thing was unhappy. No BIOS updates avalible, and the thing would often not POST, somtimes loading windows and then shutting off suddenly. After quite a bit of fiddeling got the thing working again with the original card and wrote it off for any upgrades. It could of just been a cheap PSU, but I think it was an issue with the BIOS/PCI.
What was really strange was the PC had 'battery backup' internal lights so you can work on the pc with the mains off, with it nicely iluminated. Also it had a AIO water cooler on the proccessor... and the worst air flow in a HUGE ass case. Looked nice.
in their defense, the area 51 I was using came with a liquid cooler on a 5960X. And the graphics cards were Nvidia reference cards. So maybe it's specifically depends on whether or not it's Aurora or area 51
I really only recommend services like CyberPower or IBuyPower if you feel uncomfortable building a system/you're building a rather expensive system as the build cost won't look as bad compared to the parts. I had a pretty good experience with IBuyPower back in 2013, but I couldn't comment on nowadays. They have a lot of options, and they do handle the build pretty well, I just wish I had built it because I could've saved so much on shipping & the build cost.
*A warning to everyone, unless it's urgent, don't order the rushed build to avoid massive fees.* XP I paid just about a grand for a computer that was probably worth $700 at most at the time because I needed it for a class I was taking in college... granted, that was an excuse to get a gaming computer finally, but a genuine one as it was for 3D modelling. I haven't taken that much further, but I do use my computer for editing videos & images pretty frequently, even though I'm now 3 computers in due to complicated circumstances. XP
The office stuff from Dell is really great and works well forever without any problems whatsoever. I worked for a refurbisher for many years and we got our machines from govermental agencies and banks and so on. When you buy thousands of machines you want them to work, but with the Alienware Stuff it seems to be different. Same with HP. Their Consumber Notebooks were crap and died like flies for a long time while you can pretty much do to a business HP Laptop whatever you can think of and it will work fine. My dad still uses one I gave him in 2010 (built in 2007) and to this date works great. (Did I mention he's insane?)
Anyway great video. Although I have to add that this cheaping out is not really for margins rather just to be able to compete in this market. They really don't make a lot of money with they Alienware brand as a whole.
Recommendation, take a quality picture of the PCB without the cooler and send it to Actually Hardcore Overclocker so Buildzoid can give his opinion about the quality of components, fabrication, number of phases and general thoughts of the construction. It may be a copy off the MSI Aero 1070 but there are chances that they could have cheaper ever more the components inside of the PCB.
Oh also when the back of the cards are black if you scratch it of or look at the side it is still green, usually.
THIS is why one should avoid certain pre-builts. Nowdays prebuilts can actually be a great value for money, however companies like Dell are more than happy to cheap out as much as possible, in ways that you would never do if you were building the machine yourself.
I won't argue for savings, but I will say that when you build your own custom machine, YOU can make sure that everything that goes into it is of the quality that you expect.
I have an r7 with liquid cooled cpu and the gtx 1080ti. I’m quite pleased with the price and performance. Was still cheaper than me building myself. I’d buy again.
Green PCBs work the best for the cameras in the AOI(Automated optical inspection) machines. Darker boards tend to have more bad parts slip through because it is harder for the camera to differentiate part and board.
That's you off Dell's Christmas card list!
I have a 1080 one of these I pulled from Kijiji for 400$. Strapped a Corsair H55 using a Kraken G12 and it's absolutely beastly.
I would temper your opinion with what the machine is being used for. I have brought one of these for a business that needed something with a little bit more grunt for some light graphics work and CAD usage and it was considerably cheaper than the official options and performed perfectly in the use case and the warrantee options make a big difference to a business.
If you have a specific use or want to play games I wouldn't recommend Dell. but for peace of mind for a general purpose machine for home or the office, they offer great value imo. that card looks a little nasty but its quiet in the machine we ordered with it as it isn't being asked to play graphics heavy games ;)
It is unreal how much this guy looks like my brother that unfortunately died last year
This is interesting. I was gifted this same spec’d Aurora for Christmas and mine contained the Founder Edition GTX 1070
I know it’s been around 2 years since you posted this video, but can you please help me out by answering these questions. I also have the exact same alienweare PC. I plan to upgrade my graphics card from the GTX 1070, to RTX 2080 super. But fist I’m going to upgrade my power supply to a 750 watt. Do you think there is anything else I should upgrade? Also I measured the length of my graphics card, and saw it was about 10.5 inches. Which is the maximum length of a graph you can put in. In addition I saw online that the RTX 2080 Super founders edition is also 10.5 inches. I just wanted to make sure if that was true also.
Instrument engineer (Gas refinery) :
0:41 we use green because it's easier to work with.
so yes, it is cheaper than most PC-boards.
from what Ive seen. Dell, the PC cost $1500 for a consumer to make they will sell it for $3000 yet they will do anything to save an extra couple of dollars.
Not to mention my dad got me a Dell laptop once, the chip that allowed the battery to charge died, they replaced the entire motherboard and in the process removed and didn't replace the blu tooth component that my dad had them paid extra to get and by the time we had noticed we just decided to get a laptop that isn't a Dell.
Regarding MSI I just recently uninstalled one more piece of bloatware (MSI X boost) that MSI tries to give you with its driver software as I realized it had slowed my Ryzen 1600 down to a crawl making it barely able to play Minecraft at 100% CPU usage where it previously took 5 of my most CPU heavy games running together to bring it over 60% and show any performance effects.
... which is probably why some of Alienware’s founders chose to break clean after the sale (rather than stay with the now Dell division) to form OriginPC...
I have that system, the card overclocked pretty well 2100Mhz and the memory boost to another 1200. Its not pretty but does what you need it to do.
May I know your afterburner settings
the thing sounds like some lego pieces that clicked together ( 4:53 )
Green PCBs look like zombies
I like how they sprung the extra cash to get that 3M carbon fiber vinyl stuff instead of just using a plain black sticker.
I work for computer parts manufacture who sells to Dell. Believe it or not, Dell has higher quality computers comparing to self build. Every company wants to sell to Dell, Dell enforces parts manufacture to run qualification tests before they purchase in quantity. Dell also do integration test on the entire system to ensure all parts are working together. Comparing to self build PC. Nobody has done any test on the custom combination of parts. Sometimes even a fan speed can mess up performance due to resident frequency.
i have 2 1080s pulled from Dell machines. I water-cooled both and they run the same as any other water-cooled pair of1080s ive seen
Your desktop wallpaper is wicked..
that thin plastic he mention in the beginning is to replace the LED MSI logo.
What bothers me the most with Alienware is that most of the time in their packages, they pair up a 500+$ cpu with a 200-250$ graphic card in the base model. If you're not willing to build your own computer, just find a local small shop that will do it for you. It'll cost you only 50$ more, the job will be well done and you'll have accessible technical support that doesn't require you to lose your computer for 2 weeks.
Just noticed we use the same wallpaper
Can you link the wallpaper please?
www.reddit.com/r/multiwall/comments/6vik9d/3840x1080_small_memory_by_mikael_gustafsson/
there ya go, its an ultrawide
Strange. I’ve had an aurora R7 with this card for almost a year now and it’s performed exceptionally in basically every way compared to other PC’s I’ve had.
Great Information man! Thank you 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
I can't even describe how much I looked where my 1080ti came from. It's an hp made 1080ti still have not seen any one post about it. This is the closest thing.
Have a link to your PC’s background picture? Really digging it.
Thank you for content like this
What about that Dell card against the MSI Aero 1070?
The graphic both in design and performance is just like your channel.
As someone who's owned both a Dell and an Alienware computer (I know, both are Dell), I can assure you that their cost savings in manufacturing really does make them loads of money, even though the parts fail really quickly. Here's why. Most people don't think to throw money at the Warranty, so they largely don't have to FIX most of these garbage bin parts. And on top of that, their warranty extensions more than pay for the parts they replace, considering the parts replaced are always refurbished and almost never new. I have this EXACT 1070 in one of our computers that was sent over to replace the garbage they sent me prior that failed entirely 4 years later, problem after fucking problem. And the hoops their tech support has you jump through trying to find ANY way they can to NOT serve you is absolutely horrific. I would never recommend Dell to ANYONE, EVER PERIOD.
This explains so much. My pc proforms so much better than my friends alien, but his specs are way better. I think heats the major factor in performance loss. Mines over cooled so I don't throttle.