Nvidia, stop being a DICK
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Sorry guys, this video took me much longer than I expected it to take because the amount of dickery went so deep. It's not as though I previously didn't know about this stuff, but investigating properly... jeez, poor AMD :( Time and time again, it's the same story. I investigate.
0:08 - PhysX
1:16 - Tessellation (Important to understand later examples)
1:45 - Crysis 2's DX11 upgrade
2:31 - Fallout 4's Godrays
2:51 - Witcher 3's Hairworks
3:02 - Nvidia Gameworks Controversy
3:42 - Why hasn't AMD prepared for this? + Nvidia's defence
4:08 - AMD's competing technologies and open sourcery
4:59 - OPENGPU VS Gameworks... but will Nvidia accept?
5:36 - 3D Vision and Gsync
6:36 - Shadowplay XOXOXOX
7:15 - Conclusion
I knew this would happen, but there are a number of recurring responses from people. I'm pleased with this video because it says what I wanted to quickly and without getting off-topic to defend myself. But I'll do it here:
'Nvidia's a company! They're not meant to play nice!!!'
...no, which is why they're DICKS. What they're doing isn't illegal, but it's anti-competitive. It's not about using their own technologies. It's about deliberately making life hard for everybody else, which DOES have a knock-on effect for users of competing products.
'Nvidia is more than half the audience!!!11'
Doesn't change what I said tbh. But if you factor in Intel, who also does graphics, then they are about 50-50.
'AMD HAS RAPTR!!!!'
Yeah I mention this. Raptr's video capture is GVR. It's good, but can't support EVERY application or desktop use, which is very useful for me on a day-to-day basis. It's also only HD, and the limitations in other areas are lower as well. It's not quite good enough.
I would have included links to all of the sources but a quick google search of them works just as well. This video originally started off as a comparison between Nvidia and AMD technologies but naturally evolved into this as I investigated them.
Brought to you by an Nvidia user. - เกม
Great and informative video, you've earned a new subscriber. I'm switching to AMD after years of only Nvidia when i get a desktop PC again
Kirbae
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Kirbae
Yea.
Now with GPP it’s even more sucks.
Oferk99 What's GPP and i'm guessing english isn't your first language so you'd say "it sucks even more"
Kirbae
Yea it’s not my first language :/
GPP = GeForce Partner Program, he did another video like this about Nvidia:
th-cam.com/video/iYBOicqYHLY/w-d-xo.html
I know I'm very late to the party, but I feel the same way: gonna switch to AMD for my next build. I've been watching videos by AdoredTV about the same topic, really shows how shady Nvidia is. I realize that they are allowed to do as they see fit when it comes to pricing, but with the recent release of their RTX cards their pricing really can't be justified. We as consumers can choose what we buy and who we buy from.
Amd is the only thing that keeps nvidia from charging 8000 for a new gpu
And Nvidia is doing the same with AMD. That's called competition.
Competition doesn't have to go down like that. They could be competing to beat each others performance and price to performance, rather than competing purely for profits. My idealism knows no bounds. Technically possible though, ya know, if people weren't dicks. I love both Nvidia and AMD as producers of amazing technology, it is truly incredible what they have made. I hate Nvidia as a business.
Amd new gpu developer kit? 10000 usd
Amd new gpu developer kit? 10000 usd
Amd new gpu developer kit? 10000 usd
This is why open source is the future
+Kenneth Hartsock Future for what? Atleast not business
Leevi Parviainen
The future of IT. If you have a hard just look at Linux, 42% of all devices run Linux and an overwhelming majority of smart phones run Linux.
+Leevi Parviainen It may not be the future for business, but it will be the future for innovation.
+Kenneth Hartsock you mean unix right?
I sure hope so. But greed is often the nature of large businesses , and if a company thinks it will make more money/have less completion while remaining closed source, chances are it will stick to its bases. I don't have high hopes for Nvidia changing anytime soon.
Wow, tesselated concrete slab.
Wow.
JUST WOW.
I can make this in blender with 8 polygons
150 likes and no comments I broke it
@@aeyde Nobody cares. We now just dislike you.
@@RokeJulianLockhart.s4eb2q Jesus u r so sad, damn go get job and stop commenting and spreading toxicity.
@Warzone Clips I don't think so
If Nvidia could install drivers without corrupting them every few months, that would be great.
Same exact thing used to happen with my old AMD card, and currently happens to anyone I know with one. Nvidia's driver support sucks. But AMDs is way worse.
Yep, I've only had one problem with amd drivers...
And that was after my motherboard died while I was installing the update.
@@Dorraj Yeah sure mate. You might wanna go to the doctor though, you're glowing.
Old drivers work best
You misspelled AMD to "Nvidia" sir.
Hey look! We paid this publisher/developer to have our promising but sadly stupid gimmick that only work with our hardware, but you will probably turn it off because it runs like shit, but hey! Better buy our hardware! That was my experience with Nvidia when playing the Witcher 3 with that hair gimmick.
Give it time, someone will probably make a hardware accelerated physics system that runs on both opencl and cuda or something similar.
+Robbaz tell 'em bby
fuck that shit
+Robbaz It goes wiggle when you jump!
SO REALISTIC 10/10 MUST BUY.
They should've invested in dick wobble physics, that's where the money is
+Robbaz share this on your youtube channel!
Wait? Let me get this straight. Nvidia is giving away a free development tool that favors their technology over a competitor? That sounds like a good business plan rather then being a dick. Honestly, what company in their right mind would try to support their competitor or elevate them to the same level? It would be more work for Nvidia to aide a company that wants to put them out of business. This video seems like it's from the perspective that both AMD and Nvidia are non-profits.
+Barnacules Nerdgasm You do see where this is going right?
This is gonna turn into the console wars all over again.
Back down to peasantry.
+Neon Rouge you misunderstand...
If everyone stars making propitiatory drivers like nvidia eventually, games will be so heavily optimised for certain GPU it wouldn't make sense to run it on another.
I get that they are a commercial company and their end goal is to outsell everyone else but it ends up to doing more harm than good.
+Neon Rouge ohh yeah just realized, hahha guess we agree then? :s
well yeah you really can't mess with Microsoft there..
but yeah the PC is an amazing platform really don't want it to shit the bed like the damn consoles :/
+Barnacules Nerdgasm Exactly , Nvidia is SPENDING money. They got right to make exclusive things. But thats not what they are doing. They invented CUDA API, which allows developers to send C code into GPU's. Thats heaven for us. They have used CUDA to develop physic simulations and give it away for free(not open source, but free licencing) thats even better. But AMD refused to implement Cuda on their GPU's, at this point there is nothing Nvidia can do. They already made it so that PhysX can run on CPU for AMD users. This is not something that "happens-by-default" CPU implementation is required for this. And they did it, Borderlands, Metro physx can run on CPU. This clearly shows Nvidias attempts to make PhysX avaible for everyone. Catch is, CPU cant handle PhysX anywhere close to GPU can.
I will answer some complete retarded claims.
Neon Rouge - GameWorks API runs on DirectX , its not "nvidia specific" code. It does exact same in Nvidia cards as it does on AMD cards.
There are very few ways to communicate with GPU's. OpenGL , OpenCL , DirectCompute, DirectX and Cuda.
OpenCL , DirectCompute and Cuda are compute languages, you cant make "games" around them, you can use them to make GPU "calculate" things not for rendering things.
DirectX and OpenGL are for "rendering" things, turning load of information to frames we can see.
Only Cuda is Nvidia exclusive, and thats because Cuda is made by Nvidia and AMD refues to implement Cuda. Why Cuda? Because Cuda is the most powerful of compute apis.
+Bluntdragon You are uneducated as fuck. Take some economics classes, peasant. If you don't want inferior support and inferior features, stop buying inferior hardware. It's really that simple. nvidia owes you nothing. nvidia owes AMD nothing. They simply produce better IP and protect it.
Oh this video is quite old. I was going to recommend Radeon Relive over shadowplay if you want an AMD card but Relive really sucked until only recently.
Well, that's why you check the upload date before you comment people.
Hi ace
I can relate, sometimes I think “wow how did they not think of that, I’ll write a comment and correct them” then a day later I think “oh shit, that vid was years old, oh well”.
I'm an indie game dev. When it came time to decide what type of graphics card to focus on while developing my game, I looked around at what people were saying about AMD and NVIDIA, and I chose AMD. My rationale was that NVIDIA was faster, more performant, and had lots of bells and whistles AMD lacked, therefore if I developed for AMD, my game would run well for everyone, but if I developed for NVIDIA, it would only run well for NVIDIA customers, and I wanted the largest playerbase possible.
And that makes perfect sense, thank you for being more sensible than most companies seem to be nowadays!
There ARE indie games that are demanding. Look at Rust for example.
Actually as Indie game developer his game may look like shit, but also demands tons of resources from your device due to poorly done optimization. Dude, even big triple A companies tend to fuck up on optimization, that is why Indie games are very often 2D games that are much easier to optimize and even if they are poorly optimized, they still will never demand so much from your device as fully 3D title
Smart.
What game are you developing, i wanna try it.
Actually AMD has Raptr which is arguably better than Shadowplay, since it does what Shadowplay does but also supports windowed mode.
+2kliksphilip BUT THERES HOPE! Although i feel like raprt is a bit to intrusive......
I love AMD, but one thing they have to work on besides a good capture software is DRIVERS.... it took me hours to get the right drivers for my GPU... although AMD gaming evolved made life quite a bit easier i am still hoping for a simple way to keep my drivers up to date
***** It was with my old pc where you had to download the drivers manually. As i said, amd gaming evolved made this alot easier but it has been a hassle and left a bad taste in my mouth
raptr is an open source, it's not exclusive for amd products only
***** My logic is that i had huge problems downloading amd drivers with one of my old ass gpus back in day while nvidia always worked just fine for me... dont know which part you dont understand
raptr has been very unstable, and featureless from my use, your milage may vary, this is from a while ago
this literally made me feel sorry for amd
I don't feel sorry for AMD. these nvidia technologies sucks
basically every tech nvidia have is stolen or bought...
Bleagle they legally did not stole anything.. legally... but... things like tesselation, now the new "nvidia now" (check onlive) and a few other "software" stuff, but mostly they "bought" everything else..
wabachi yeah, just like PhysX, was AGEIA before nvidia buy it
River X well physx is more known but there are others the same, bought and licensed for them...
6 years later, and this continues to be true lol
This aged well.
It's still acurrate?
@@STerkskz I wasn't being sarcastic
People are forgetting AMD came out with TressFX much earlier then Nvidia's hairworks and it performed HORRIBLY on Nvidia cards... What did AMD do? they made it open source, then NVidia copied their code made it closed-source and got developers to implement it. Then they cranked the tessellation up to 11 so it ran like shit on AMD cards.
+trignite NVIDIA had realistic hair long time ago. Remember Nalu?
That, at the time, was just marketing trick by AMD to entice people into buying their cards.
+trignite Nvidia rekt AMD once again.
+trignite I guess AMD picked the wrong open-source license then. If they'd picked the right one then NVidia would not have been able to do that? Or it this just conjecture?
+trignite This could be easily fixed if AMD stopped being shit at tesselation.
***** Yes it is -- poorly optimized games will always exist, and if Nvidia runs a certain type of poorly optimized game better than AMD, it's at a distinct advantage.
I don't see the issue, it's a company not a charity it's goal is to beat amd not share technologies with them
Do you even understand a thing about business? Nvidia causing AMD to go bankrupt would not only be terrible for the consumer, but also for Nvidia, as they'd be sued by the government for monopolization.
+Thzelldium not Nvidias fault, Amd needs to step up their game and innovate new technologies that will keep them relevant. Doesn't make sense from a company perspective to share your own technology with a competitor that you spent with your own money to develop and research
+Caesar Thegrandmaster AMD is charity case at this point. that is reason they want open source. They are on verge of bankruptcy and want to get stuff for free to help them.
+Thzelldium Hate to tell ya, Nvidia has plenty of case in points to show a lot why AMD is in spot they are was their own doing. AMD has promissed a lot things over years and not lived up to those promisses. Example claiming Fury x was 30% faster then a 980ti which was a Complete Lie.
+Thzelldium Nope, even though no gamers buys an Intel is because it sucks, but will still exist. Nvidia won't have an monopoly in GPU's. So it's legal, sorry bro.
I like how they sponsored him after this.
This is exactly the video I thought about when I saw he got sponsored by them
Maybe they haven't seen this video
...and than Phillip gets his a brand new videocard from RTX line for free
@@nodrognameerf And here is why I will never sub to Phillip. He is driven by money...
@ he just makes gaming videos dude calm down, lmao, hes not some greedy villian, everybody needs money to survive
@ quit acting like you wouldn't do it. And also, the MOST unsympathetic TH-camr? He contradicted a statement and took a sponsor. There are literal pedos on this website.
Always hated Apple for their practices - now i realize that there is something similar in my PC.
yeah, I wish I was able to install iOS on any device!
Isaac Weisberg that’s a way different thing, iOS is a big reason people buy iPhones Nvidia is not giving away software and because of that no games use it and everyone suffers if you want iOS just pay for a iPhone
that's the funniest part. Nvidia and Apple used to work together back in the old days
@@gamerFreak0623 Apple ditched nvidea after they fucked up one of their GPU's and caused distrust in macs.
@@livinglifeform7974 Actually they can't now, Nvidia bought ARM and now Apple needs Nvidia😂
Nvidia fanboys already disliking the video.
+Anime Is For Gay Kids how can you fanboy on nvidia ? even thier support for DX12 is a disaster. Async compute dosen't work on thier card and they marketed them as ''DX12 Ready''
+Anime Is For Gay Kids I liked the video, but ahh, if amd could put up equivlent doller per performance aswell as good cooling shadowplay gameworks etc etc, i might consider buying one.
+ppleater
AMD cards to have a better price to performance ratios. Almost always, AMD alternatives are better and cheaper.
+Anime Is For Gay Kids jesus chill man i have gtx 960 and i am not disliking every amd graphics card i mean i had HD5770
+Anime Is For Gay Kids I'm an "nivida fanboy" but 've been looking into amd's new cards since they have marginally more ram.
I also agree, open source is the future.
People don't seem to grasp the concept that MONEY ISNT EVERYTHING. This world is about innovation and art, and in this particular instance, THE COMMUNITY. Not about money. Its just sad and pathetic this is the way people think. People have serious fucking issues.
+elitebelt If you want dont want to pay to get the best wares for your money out of principle thats your problem. I'll buy whatever is best for my money
+Sam Smit If you're just after to play the game best bang per dollar has always been AMD. And honestly computer games are handicap anyways due to devs making games for consoles first, PC's as an after thought. Unless you like over spending for the newest shinny, you don't need the best out there.
+elitebelt That's quite naive. It's ALL about the money. If AMD share their tech, fine, but you can't blame NVIDIA for not doing it. They put a lot of money, time effort and investment to innovate. It's normal they want to protect their investment.
+David Cazes Since it's all about the money and selfish thinking, it should be fine if I kill you and take everything you have, right. That kind of thinking is dangerous and it causes problems, as you can see. Saying what Nvidia is doing is right is like agreeing to a race and poring sugar in the other cars gas tank. That's not fair completion, it's sabotage. AMD spend lots of money also doing research to improve the gaming community and themselves which they share with everyone including Nvidia, that's why I'll stick with them. Just wait and see, Nvidia will more than likely be using AMD's new HBM Ram on there next cards while still being dicks and keeping there shit to themselves.
+David Cazes yeah that's that's pretty sad isn't it, human greed at it's finest. And even more sad is the people that follow that train of thought blindly cos' they think it is okay.
AMD: "Hello there friends, how are you today?"
Intel: "Oh, I'm perfectly fine, processor friend, but wait, where's Nvidia?"
Nvidia: *Sitting in a closet in fetal position* "They won't get me, no no no, no they won't sweet mother, oh no, Nvidia doesn't die that easily, no she doesn't..."
Welp this hasn’t change a bit
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I've always used AMD gfx cards and have always been perfectly happy. All I've seen from Nvidea is spiteful behaviour and lying. I don't care if I sacrifice a few frames to support what I see as a better company.
niofalpha
Like ya Moma?
+Gutted77 Precisely.
+Gutted77 You buy amd cuz you are actually a low income person.. classic for the ones who say i don't want intel cuz its too expensive and amd can run it... pathetic comparison it's like saying Ill not buy a good whine.. if that another cheap one get's me drunk anyway.... Poor taste kid you preffer shitty stupid quantity instead of quality.
Jonathan Salinas I use Intel Cpus and AMD gfx cards, nice job you're doing for the NVidia fan base by the way. You seem like a great guy this will really help your reputation :). Although, you can't even seem to spell a simple four letter word like wine, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time with you, haha.
+niofalpha AMD makes stuff open source so it is better for the gaming community PERIOD. If Nvidia manages to get rid of AMD then there will not longer be competition and Nvidia will be able to charge what ever they want and PC gaming would get super expensive, and then die. Do you only want consoles? because that is what would happen. Also innovation would stop completely because they wouldn't have to compete even remotely.
It kind of sounds like NVIDIA is trying to play the old console wars game, except with PC gaming components. The issue there is, while (apart from Nintendo's bullshit third-party stranglehold in the old-old-olden days) the choice of platform often came down to first-party-published franchises prior to the PS3 and 360 generation, NVIDIA is purely a hardware manufacturer and seeks to manipulate third parties into limiting themselves to making games that only run optimal on their specific hardware--it ceases being about what games you can run on what platform and becomes about deceptively convoluting a single gaming platform.
This is bad for PC gaming on the whole. As a relatively new PC gamer myself (rocking an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 card that was graciously donated to me after its former owner upgraded to something in the 950+ range) I'm all too aware that PC gaming comes with a significant barrier to entry even when you have good hardware: the inevitable settings tweaking, double-checking, controller input fiddling, and general complications of not knowing that you're playing a game specifically designed for specific hardware and specific graphical settings. NVIDIA is attempting, essentially, to turn their graphics card line into a PC gaming "console" by nudging developers toward a place where their own cards "simplify" the process while AMD's bring out the worst in the PC gaming *process,* essentially making itself not only the company with a hardware monopoly on popular games but also the one most inviting to console gamers looking to break into the PC gaming market (now that there's not as much divide as there used to be in what games are offered between PC and consoles).
The problem there is, PC gaming is still "on the rise" as far as mainstream popularity is concerned, since the PC gaming library has largely merged with the console library over the past decade or so. We aren't dealing with the same market it was back during the 8-bit/16-bit/32-bit days when not just the titles but also the genres on offer were largely different than the ones popularized on consoles. Consoles have adopted old PC mainstays and old console mainstays are freely available on PC gaming platforms now. The gaming market has merged and now thrives on an environment of very limited exclusivity. AMD knows that PC gaming's strength is in sharing and freedom of customizability in combination with good tech--it's why their AMD Gaming Evolved program, powered by Raptr, attempts not only to consolidate the PC gaming experience but also to provide a community hub for console gamers as well. It also works just dandy when you're using NVIDIA's GPUs.
I've got an AMD FX-4300 Quad-Core CPU in here alongside my NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 GPU. My experience with this mix has been quite pleasant, but my next upgrade may well be to an AMD GPU if current trends continue. NVIDIA's tactics are greedy ones, but more importantly, they undermine the main draw of PC gaming and throw an artificial smokescreen in front of the entryway for newcomers.
+The One True Nobody! Is this what people mean by 'this game isn't optimized yet' LOL whenever I hear such weird sentences I think paid troll :P
+The One True Nobody! I've never really had feelings one way or the other about ATI Vs nVidia... AMD however I'm a HUGE fanboy of. I'll keep buying them hopefully for a long time, if they don't go out of business.
That said, I've always bought ATi/AMD video cards.
+Silkfox
Can't say I'm immersed deep enough in PC gaming community stuff to make any judgment calls about that, but simply being a PC gamer doesn't mean one truly understands the intricacies of PC gaming hardware: it's easy enough to find out what parts to get and how to install them than to learn about what the parts actually do or why this company is limited in this way and another isn't. PC gaming is on the rise, but that also means it isn't the domain of people who know their stuff anymore--the same dilemma that occurs when a previously "niche" franchise or nerd culture market finds mainstream appeal, sort of.
In the past, consoles were marketed more towards kids while PC gaming was a more dedicated adult crowd. Console gamers have gotten older and diversified their tastes, but PC gamers have invited a more diverse market in as their library has absorbed much of what used to make the console market unique compared to PC.
+sovereign126
I have no experience with ATI. Anything I should be particularly interest in when it comes to that?
+Your #1 Fan BS... nvidia even sabotages their own hardware by overusing things like tesselation so that kepler architecture does not aswell as it should and everyone runs and buys new maxwell gpus
I just love how "nvidia" in Spanish resembles so much the word "envidia" which literally means envy...
it also is green "el color de la envidia"
Pos si, quizá sea solo coincidencia, o quizá........
It is actually Nvidia in Latin.
Nvidia shadowplay is flawless!
Until GFE 3.0 came and fucked everything
And now that AMD ReLive is out, there is no longer a solid reason to choose Nvidia other than the high end cards, which we'll have to wait for Vega.
Except for the fact that the most performant AMD GPU is half the performance of the 1080 Ti. But yeah, if you exist in a different reality, there is no reason.
It's not like El Gato Gaming exists or anything.
I dont know about the later cards, but on my R9 280X ReLive performs just as good as OBS, wich is horrible with the included encoder. The 960 performed much better in this case, and the 10 series has capture card quality. Most likely Vega will wreck everything in terms of recording, since that is what youtubers do and they have a large audience, wich again makes for great advertising. Hopefully it will also be built on DX12, wich would mean that AMD could easily win the race with the 10/11 series thanks to the fact that they always had much more raw power.
I'm an Nvidia user and Nvidia technologies run just as crappy on their own cards. Congratulations Nvidia, you also gimp your own hardware. My next card will probably be an AMD, i'm sick of all these useless crap Nvidia come up with that also runs terrible on their hardware. Hair Works is the worse thing to have happened to PC gaming. Nvidia's shtick is to basically create confusing tech to make themselves look good. Their number 1 goal is to gimp AMD, they gimp so well that they even GIMP their own freakin HARDWARE. If you wanna know how shady Nvidia is just go look at that Batman Arkham Knight Gameworks promo Video, where they sped up the video to make it appears as if the game was running at smooth 60fps. Just listen closely, you'll hear the npc's sounding like chipmunks. Nvidia and Ubisoft are the Biggest Snake-Oil Peddlers EVA!
Don't forget HBAO+!
Puts a shitty grainy filter on games, makes textures blurrier, and reduces performance more than SSAO :D
I like HBAO+ ;-;
As long it isn't the only option. But what's really bad is if Reviewers are testing with such stuff on.
nvidia gt user it seems. hahaha go get an amd card and never get a driver update. I was using r9 380 until gtx 1070 was released. I had to buy a new Graphics card bc of amd being a douche
Earl Wesley What?
Their drivers have been fine, I bought two 390s when they came out and have been perpetually on the latest driver with no issues.
If YOU had issues, its likely YOU were the cause of it. It's pretty easy to skip a step or two during driver installs and just never realize it.
5 years later and this feels as relevant as ever.
I didnt look at the upload date and thougt this is a new vid xD
I know absolutely nothing about graphics.
You get a like from being blatantly honest
Start by watching Linus tech tips
@@darklethal3517 start by shutting tf up
This is why I don't like Nvidia. They seem to think my PC should be an Nvidia console rather than... a PC. It should use their special, proprietary bullshit. No thanks.
then go use radeon and enjoy your driver problems all the time
it's called marketing iphone is doing the same thing and it's working.
if you think companies like AMD and Nvidia should be sucking eachother off than you have much to learn
Ah good ol' "naive" argument to anyone with slight care for morality in business.
Last I checked Apple has about 18 - 20% of the market and Android has the rest. I wouldn't say it's "working" really...
Except that Apple at least makes the majority of their programs available on non-Apple PCs, unlike Nvidia.
Paranoid nonsense. I can't believe people seriously imply that Nvidia goes in and forces developers to tessellate random geometry to make AMD look bad, or cripples their own performance in order to make AMD look marginally worse. Developers are responsible for optimization, not Nvidia, and developers have full control of which Gameworks features they use or don't. It's optional middleware that they can choose not to use entirely. There is no boogey man.
The main reason AMD releases everything opensource isn't because they're dogooders that want the best for gamers, it's because they're cloning features that Nvidia made first and AMD is playing catch up. The only way they can compete is by giving some incentive for developers, and opensourcing it is that incentive.
+Stan V " it's because they're cloning features that Nvidia made first"
This is patently untrue. Freesync and tressfx both existed far before G-sync and hairworks did, it's just that nvidia took those ideas, not necessarily "copied", and put more engineers and a bigger budget than AMD into them. That's not a bad thing, but to say AMD is copying Nvidia is factually incorrect.
Standards The concept for display syncing existed before, nobody implemented it as a real product before Nvidia. AMD didn't have any plans to make this into a real product before they actually had to compete with Nvidia.
Hair physics also existed as various tech demos for the longest time. Yes, AMD got it into exactly one game before Nvidia did it. That's a point for them.
Stan V " The concept for display syncing existed before"
Yes, as the open standard of adaptive v-sync.
"nobody implemented it as a real product before Nvidia"
This is true, that nobody implemented it in an actual marketed *product*, yes, but AMD worked on freesync, which is what spurred Nvidia to create G-Sync. The same thing happened with Shadowplay. NVENC (the driver-level recording) was very much in response to what AMD had done with Raptr. Nvidia does these things because they have a much larger budget and many better engineers.
+Standards "but AMD worked on freesync, which is what spurred Nvidia to create G-Sync"
Everything I've read has said the opposite. Care to point me in the direction of your info?
descent777 From what I remember AMD had a patent for a similar technology from like 8 years ago that was somewhat implemented in eDP which they kind of just sat on. It was mainly for allowing laptops to not need to render frames over and over when idle rather than syncing with the GPU, but the core tech allowed for that capability.
To some extent, the way Nvidia implemented Gsync with the FPGA board is possibly a way to circumvent that patent. If that was the case, then that's borderline anti-competitive patent trolling.
Linus Torvalds was right:
"Fuck you, Nvidia."
The Fact that AMD's technology's are open source also means better support on Linux. Not only gaming, but the desktop in general. Nvidia drivers are a pain and lack behind the newest features. Intel's and AMD's drivers are open source and in the kernel, no need to download drivers and updates happen with the kernel.
Aged like a fine wine sir
So NVIDIA is like Windows and AMD is like Linux?
+TheChubbCat except linux suck
+TheChubbCat Very good comparison, one has updates all the time, the other doesnt. One is easy to use, the other isnt.
+ppleater Nvidia has way more driver updates, and has a simple control panel. AMD drivers are rare and suck massive bells
+ppleater no? LOL
Dan Coconut Well no it doesn't suck you just clearly don't know how to use it.
Novideo™ GimpWorks™
Ayymd™ btw what does the Novideo refer to?
Ayy lmao
+Blael Ayymd
Ayymd
+m1ksu Sorry, It didnt show on mobile for some reason.
In 2021 it's exactly the same.
Today, they finally announced an open source Physx. I wonder what advances will come from it.
It's probably too late already, or atleast it'll take many years to have any kind of mainstream adaptation.
They have FleX.
nVidia is even sabotaging their older cards with GameWorks... nVidia's tactics are bad for everybody, even for nVidia users.
+feketetv Their Gameworks stuff is optional like for example hairworks is an option in The Witcher 3
+feketetv This is just a rumor, there is no real evidence about this.
+Santeri Suomi Tessellation and several GameWorks features are terrible on 700 series and below GPUs. They lower the framerate much more than on 900 series cards.
+PJ Plays but it's on by default, and therefor shows up in pretty much every single witcher 3 benchmark (and most don't even show a alternative benchmark with it off), giving nvidia a major advantage.
it makes their cards appear much better compared to AMD, and even compared to their older generations.
PJ Plays The casual player wont dive into the settings. And it's turned on by default. He'll just get a new card!
Now I understand why Ubuntu developers have so many problems with Nvidia, I watched their video where they complained that Nvidia are ass***s, they don't want to cooperate with open-source community. I thought to upgrade to GTX 980 next but now I would better go with AMD.
+Cyb Gen if you have the money go nvidia, it will provide you with better performance, trust me i have a 970 that kills any game. As for the open market, who cares why sacrifice your performance for a multi billion dollar company that is in competition
+NJ55
Because... then you will get worse performance in the long run...
People, dont be console gamers, think in some perspective.
Also the R9 390 > the 970 :P
+NJ55 WHAT!? I have a GTX 970 and it's literally a "meme" gpu. It has 3.5 GB of VRAM which completely tanks framerates in every single game I've played so far. On my other computer which is running a R9 290x I could run most games at 160 FPS while the 970 shits itself at around 70. NEVER EVER BUY A 970 NO MATTER WHAT.
+Alexander “Charcharo” Yordanov same with R9 380 and GTX 960. With DX12 titles coming up, I'm hoping Nvidia gets its ass kicked.
+Dane Autismo You must have bought your 970 very early. That issue was fixed on later cards by 3rd party manufacturers.
7 years later and it's the same
It's true - Nvidia makes some amazing hardware and they offer great features. I generally prefer Nvidia cards because they perform to my needs and have functions I want - but goddamnit, their obstructionist attitude to competition and anti-consumer tendencies sour the whole thing... It almost gives me that nasty Apple sort of vibe but in a different way.
It is incredibly shitty that genuinely good tech can't realistically be used to it's full extent just because Nvidia would rather nobody have the cookie rather than to have to share it.
The last insult in the way of anticonsumerism was the slap in the face that was FORCED registration in order to use geforce experience (and thus shadowplay functionality most importantly). There is NO technical reason whatsoever that you actually should need to register yourself with an online account in order to use the features of that software. In fact, previous versions did all the same things without this requirement - but now it's mandatory to register (and get tracked and mined for data) if you actually want to use core functionality of the hardware you just bought. FUCK THAT. Imagine if you needed to register with Intel to use your CPU properly, register with MSI to get your motherboard functions to work and register with corsair for your mouse and keyboard to have all their buttons working. Un-fucking-acceptable!
TheStigma already have to do that for those things...
Thanks god for fuckofftracker programs.
Don't give them ideas
@@qbus371 Not at the time of the post obviously (2 years ago) but I certainly have now. It is not all that surprising. As far as anti-consumer companies go, Facebook is pretty evil.
The good news is that I have heard a recent development of the Quest devices being successfully jailbreaked to not require a Facebook login. I don't think the solution is public yet, but I expect it will be very soon - so if this is something that impacts you then keep an eye out for that.
AMD is like a sad angel in disguise that is about to show people the light but people ignore her anyway because they're being deceived by an evil darkness. :( This is so sad, i'm gonna cry. ;(
PS SO many Nvidiots down here feeling entitled. Next time you end up homeless, I hope no one gives you shelter.
+AttentionWh0re check nvidia VS. Amds benchmarks then get back here. If AMD is an angel than nvidia is a god, but surely a cruel one at that
+NJ55 Not really though... Always remember to check performance/price ratio.
+AttentionWh0re AMD does it for the gamers. Nvidia for their profits. Specifically the AMD APUs. These are designed to provide cheap gaming (most applicable to e-sports titles like LoL, Dota 2 and CS:GO. I love AMD for their good business ethics. I will support them no matter what; however, I still use Intel CPUs since theirs are not on par with Intel and Intel is actually a decent competitor.
Vanguardas Vucava - Yeah I know, The comment was pointed at people who felt too entitled and shat on AMD.
Just switched to AMD and got an rx 480. AMD helping with things like Vulkan, and pushing for innovation like HBM and asynchronous compute as well as making freesync easily available and cheap has made me develop a liking for the company. I want to see them win, and the rx 480 is a great card anyway.
Unknown Flame I think they are a better company too. But the NVIDIA cards just perform better. So I got a 1070.
Hey sam, you know what that is called? Voting with your wallet, and you voted for AMD to lose.
Sam Stanek depends on the perspective and the card im pretty sure my 290x crossfire performs better than a 1070 for lower cost
JDM I highly doubt that. Crossfire 480's can barley beat a 1070
Crossfire 480 is basically a 1080, and this is accounting for the crossfire scaling real-world testing in games as well. In a pure synthetic test, crossfire 480 beats a 1080 no problem.
watched this years ago and this still holds true to this day lmao
2019: Freesync on Nvidia cards
Yeah, now they benefit from AMDs tech and people thank them for it.
@ Do you english?
@@Suilujz Missed one letter...
@ Nah I mean that doesn't make any sense. How on earth is freesync pointless?
@@Suilujz I did not say freesync is pointless on its own. But in Nvidia cards it is...
"AMD have to be more innovative"... "AMD have to be more innovative"... that's what I see a lot in the comment.
Do you know AMD leading the development of MANY things? Back during the memory tech from GDDR3 onwards till today's HBM, multi-core CPU I believe AMD plays a part? Consumer 64 bit CPU? Then Mantle that pushes the development of DX12... What else did I miss? (correction required if any is wrong)
....
And you guys still thinks AMD is not innovative?
I am glad of AMD doing things for a better future, rather than acting like an ass hole just to fill their pocket. It is true, that what they develope been taken by other companies to beat AMD back. AMD need helps. They probably do get helps, now with 3rd party companies helping them in manufacturing their next GPU lineup (instead of throw money building their own fabrication plant), maybe we will see better improvements in their future products.
then why are they whining about nv-tech when according to you they CAN compete. The software co went with nvidia ...why do you think that was? cos nvidia had a ready solution and AMD didnt. Simple as that. Get over it.
Not a nv-fanboy btw. Just saying.
Look,AMD is doing mantle *for themselves*.Look at the performance increase disparity after people upgrade to Windows 10 for DX12--nVidia cards improves performance slightly,and there is a large improvement on AMD cards.AMD is taking advantage of Microsoft to bump nVidia's cards backwards,forcing them to lower prices.
+xone5447 you didnt make any good points towrd your argument, amd multicore that cant hold up to the rival, 64 bit cpu? still intel, and mantle doesnt make dx12, thats like saying linux makes mac os x. flawed logic, just because streaming video came before netflix doesnt mean youtube is better than netflix.
+Bidwellz9 ..... Are you serious? No, its not like saying that, it's like saying Mac OS X is the predecessor for Windows, because IT IS. It's not flawed logic you tool, it's fact.
micmastaz you make no sense, none
nvidia are ass holes..other things they do is lie to consumers *ahem gtx 970 ahem* to gain extra sales. And, I watched ltt's review on the 390X and for some reason they compared it to the 980Ti even though it Is a tier above it.
and the cheap Intel old server pc, the first episode, they said they had bottle necking problems and where forced to lower the details to get a playable frame rate. but as soon as they compared it to an amd CPU suddenly all the bottle necking was gone and the old Intel cpus could easily keep up.
weather nvidia/Intel paid them to make amd look bad I don't know but it looks like it.
+Gwillan cycleman pro gmr 117 970 has 4gb if you're hinting it doesnt.
Miika Ruokonen it does, but 500MB of it is either disabled or extreamly slow, depending on the engine.
Gwillan cycleman pro gmr 117
Yeah so they didnt lie about it :P It doesnt have 4gb like they saiddddddddddddddddddddddddidididi
+Gwillan cycleman pro gmr 117 500 mb of ddr3
+Miika Ruokonen yea thats like buying a car with a broken tire. fuck nvidia and nvidiots.
7 years later and it still is very relevant with RT and supersampling.
Man I remember when Physix was a big thing we talked about in school. I always had ATI and later AMD GPUs, because in my country the price difference was just too big to ignore but these things were hype.
In the end most of these computational tasks were replaced by lower quality CPU solution which works for everyone and with Lumen we are approaching the same destination for RT GI.
Other thing which is insane is looking at the tests of these old cards being done in 4k. I totally forgot that 1080Ti and 290 were someday considered high Resolution GPUs.
Proud to be an AMD user since I was 13
Now you're 14! Great!
@@CropDudia480p nice one
@@CropDudia480p eks dee ur so funi Im laughing out loud now xddddddd
@@CropDudia480p It doesn't cost anything to be nice.
Now you're 15, great!
One word to scare Nvidia
"Vulkan"
Nvidia is honestly fucked when DX12 and Vulkan is "hitting the mainstream", a RX470 outperforms 1060 in Vulkan xD
+WanniPlays you know how fuckingly good nvidia is in doing driver updates. AMD is shitty when doing driver updates:((( my r9 380 g4 is so stupid that I had to buy an asus gtx 1070 strix.
How the F do you compare a 380 with a 1070 ??
Old $200 card vs New $300+ card ...
I've seen this guy around, commenting how AMD sucked so he had to buy a brand new Nvidia card randomly under other peoples comments. Probably works for them. It would be pretty sad if he didn't get paid to shill the way he does.
Earl Wesley
My gt 420 is so bad, i had to buy sli rx 480
This reminds me of the thing that happened decades ago with revolver designs. Smith & Wesson bought the patent to be able to bore completely through the cylinder, meaning that everyone else either tried it and got lawyer-ed into oblivion, or had to make some shitty alternative designs to try and compete. This copyright nearly destroyed the revolver market because it meant that not only could S&W use the best method exclusively, but that also meant that less companies could tinker and potentially improve upon it (equating to hampered competition, which we all know is bad for the consumer)
This is sort of like that, although Nvidia doesn't have as much of an iron grip (and still is causing plenty issue)
+TheGoldenCaulk It almost happened with Apple patent trolling too
Tudorgeable What'd they try to patent? The concept of applications?
The generic GUI of a smartphone, slide-to-unlock (as if that wasn't a feature of door locks thousands of years ago), some other software patent trolling, mostly design stuff (shape, size, appearance).
Tudorgeable Wow, glad that never panned out for them
+TheGoldenCaulk they try sue some other company in Australia a couple of years ago. It was kind off laughed out of court.
and yet amd new stuff still open source
I like Nvidia but if their company does shitty things like this, then forget them
i just buy the ones with my favourite numbers in
+Cookie ikr
i7 4770k
+SirThanksAlot yes
+figgstv 1337
gt 420?
+Cookie HD 6990.
I want to get a GTX 980ti but at the same time I want to support AMD because if AMD is not in the playing that means we will all watch NVDIA Cards skyrocket in price.
+WielkiNigeryjskiPrzemytnikPiaskuOrazPaproci Im waiting till 2016 to see what Pascal has to offer
i use the amd r7 260x 1gb, even though its a slower gpu, it still performs great, I even own a AMD phenom II X4 955 black edition 3.2 GHz cpu and when they match in theory it should suck a bit, but its great, csgo great fps, bf4 ultra 1080p no problem 120-130 fps even in the most intense moments, gta v ia where it fucks up because it has 1 GB of vram but Im gonna upgrade to the 2 gb version of my card or go for a bit better one, and raptr is great I use it to recorc my videos, well none of the videos I recorded with raptr are up on youtube but they will soon so if you want to see what it looks like be sure to tune in ;)
+Lethal Buy the one that is better (using your money efficently) over buying one by a certain company. Unless you REALLY hate NVIDIA for what they've done. You'll probably be happy with whichever one you choose,
+scylendrey Sadly it doesn't. Dunno where you got that info from.
+scylendrey you're wrong though
The part where he said shadowplay takes very little performance isn't quite true for me :( It takes up to believe it or not 30% GPU performance while in standby, no recording..... GREAT
task manager shows it wrong. it says it uses 10% of my 1060, but it doesn’t affect game performance at all since it’s not using the 3d processing power of the gpu it’s just copying and stuff
Seeing this video age better and better. Why am I here well. DLSS 3.0 isn't compatible with my 3000 series cards. Funny how back in old days the before released versions of the gts8800 was supporting physX even before company was bought. Nvidia knows if they work on it they can make old customers just a bit more glad. But no exclusivity to push force users to buy the new lineup and be forced to compete against miners to skyrocket the demand and prices. Also Good job AMD. Didn't had the resources for AI technology to respond to Nvidia. But in 2 years they turned it around yet again with FSR. With universal AI solution that even gave love to old Nvidia cards. While Nvidia is too busy scratching their balls while considering if they should put 3 or 4 zeroes to their new low end entry gpu models for 4000 series. I really really WISH the Apple-like badge fame gloat around Nvidia would end. Esspecially on laptop sector. I know not everyone PCMASTERRACE knowledgeable. But I don't own a high end PC but I still am aware how much bullshit Nvidia are on time and time again
Maybe AMD just needs to step up their game...
Arctic Islands GPUs nect year, plus Zen.
+Burger if you watched the video, you would have realized nvidia is currently better the amd because it can play more games at a higher quality, Phillip is hoping amd will update their graphic cards and recording capibility so people will have no reason to buy nvidia unless ur a fanboy who slobbers on nvidias expensive graphics cards
+Robert Gordon You have no idea what you're talking about
+Burger yes i did why?
+Robert Gordon AMD is the king of every price category up until the 980ti vs FuryX, where the 980ti takes the lead. Also "it can play more games at higher quality" includes 4k, in which AMD absolutely destroys in terms of price/performance. Even the FuryX beats the 980ti on that resolution.
And this is why I will always buy an amd ( or ati if you got an older/ old school gpu) graphics card. Nvidia might be better, but I don't want to support a company like that. Trust me, if AMD is gone, all you people who benefit from Nvidia now, will cry about their lack of innovation, caring about the needs and wants of customers and their prices in a monopoly market. AMD is the good guy stopping Nvidia from destroying the GPU market.
Yes but a lot of people can't afford a high cost gpu. So they want the best as possible for the lowest price. And tada there is Nvidia...
Unless this is what you were trying to say, It's the other way around. AMD has been the one producing great value gpu's. Fair enough, the gtx 1060 is a strong competitor of the rx480, altough again they are a bit greedy with their VRAM, even the rx470 has a 8gb version. Amd cpu's are affordable too, but in no way competitive with intel at the moment. I hope with Zen everything is going to improve, and I believe it will. At the moment there is no strong competitor of the gtx 1070/1080, but the rx 490 is coming + new vega, and in the future navi.
I meant that yes amd is cheaper but on like quality/price nvidia is better
At dx11, wich dominates the gaming market right now, the gtx 1060 is better. I didn't say the gtx 1060 was the better card btw, but that it was a strong competitor. Nvidia has the best high end gpu's, hands down. Just like intel has the best cpu's at the moment, hands down. But the rx 480 changes up the game by releasing a card that's capable of delivering 200 dollar with the same performance of 300/400 dollar cards of the previous generation. But if you take a look at the pascals, titans, 1070's, 1080's, amd is just always one step behind nvidia. One day that might change, but if you look how much money nvidia made, their market share, the declining PC market, their R&D budget, I don't think AMD is going to be able to catch up. The cpu market is a completely different story, and to be fair, this is where the real battle is going to be fought, and that's why Zen is long time overdue.
Again about the rx480, at the moment prices are a little high, but in time I'm sure it will be brought down closer to 200 dollar. Crossfire, meh, I admit that it's a dick move from nvidia not to release SLI support, but crossfire is very ineffective because scaling is a tricky thing, altough it might get better with dx12, we will see. In any case, it's always better to buy a higher end card instead of crossfire/sli. Like I said, at the moment there is no real competitor of the gtx 1070/1080, The fury uses too much power +4gb ram, but with the rx490 and vega cards coming I'm sure that will change. The rx490 will have 16gb of VRAM I believe, so much better then the gtx1070 and gtx1080 8gb, wich forces their customers to buy higher end gpu's with more VRAM.
And the dude above me is obviously wrong lol. Dollar per fps, AMD/ati has always delivered the better results.
I suck at english atm xD
0:16 he was trying so hard to spell that 'ph' sound.
And now AMD is supporting FidelityFX on Nvidia cards going back to the GTX 1000 series, meanwhile Nvidia only supports DLSS on RTX 2000 and 3000 series cards.
The GTX lineup is not supported due to hardware limitation, i.e. no tensor core while DLSS relies heavily on those for hardware acceleration.
I think they could in theory enable DLSS for GTX cards, after all, machine learning can be done on regular cuda cores. But the fps benefit of DLSS would be so low, it'd better just to lower the resolution.
At the end of the day, AMD came to the rescue again, with an upscaling implementation that benefits all cards, we'll see how good FSR is.
@@sololoquy3783 I understand that, I'm just pointing out that AMD willing to let Nvidia cards use their feature whereas if AMD cards had tensor cores I doubt Nvidia would let them use DLSS.
@@RJH755 Yeah, I doubt Nvidia will let AMD use it (they invest too much into their R&D department just to let it be used by competitor's product). However, Nvidia has been quite charitable when it comes to supporting their old cards. They had never as far as I remember, intentionally gimped their old cards just because. It's just that they innovate fast, which makes old cards seemingly obsolete faster too.
On that note, I also think the reason AMD is not a dick, is because they cannot afford to be one. They are definitely at the tail end when it comes to innovation. And that created this balancing dynamic between both of them, where Nvidia keeps innovating, while AMD keeps making things accessible.
#Bring3DFXback
green ham gaming alert
ECCENTRIC i always liked 3dfx. was gutted when they went out of biz. i remember my monster 3d and also the special edition canopus pure3d (had additional 2mb frame buffer... total 6mb!!)
Yeah lol, I remember Voodoo and how much better it was than running software mode :p
Sucks that NVidia had to buy them out. They had savage slogans as well
"There are two types of gamers. Console gamers, and the ones who've actually seen breasts."
Matrox still exists. I was surprised to learn they released a card with 9 Mini Displayport ports.
That is a strange slogan because console gamers typically have seen more breasts then PC gamers.
Anyone else imagining heavy metal music at 3:47?
Just me?
OK..
+Gehab me too
+Gehab i actually lol'ed. :D
+Gehab Fact is, I had Amon Amarth on as I watched this video.
+Gehab LOL!!!! xD
+Gehab lmao, best one xD haha
Lol. Amd really is the quiet kid who got bullied for years and came back
ah... No, until today when finally get their head out of their asses and annonced finally start to work on arm.
Shadowplay is actually one of the worst technologies I've ever encountered. I have a pretty powerful PC for this day (i7 7700, 1060 6 Gb, 32 Gigs or RAM), and at times, some of the background processes SP runs hog up to 30% of GPU power *WHEN I'M NOT USING SHADOWPLAY AT ALL* . Had to uninstall that piece of crap eventually.
People need to support AMD, or else Nvidia would control the market and rise the prices.
+Ha Kou you go and support what suits you best. But for me NVIDIA makes the better products since many years. and this not only in the gaming graphics card market but especially in their AI and autonomic driving research. everything they make at the moment is a success and a benefit for humanity. and yes this includes game works.
TRIGGERED fanboy detected^
+Ha Kou too bad nvidia already did that, raising the price even more higher because amd haven't launch their new gpu yet. i hate how nvidia try to gimp older graphics card, my 6 years old desktop with amd gpu still gets pretty good gaming performance on new title game, thanks to their driver update. while my 2 laptop with 650m and 870m were gimped a lot, once i updated the driver to support new games like battlefield 4 on my 650m and battlefront on my 870m i get super bad graphic and they even recommend me to run on low setting while i can run more than 60 fps on high setting before i download the new driver. when i first bought both of the laptop they have better graphics performance than my desktop, they can run battlefield 4 on high setting before the new nvidia gpu released. now my desktop can run battlefield on high with constant 60fps, and medium setting on battlefront, while my laptop only runs on low setting with around 70 to 80fps.
AMD is making tons of money from consoles so we must help nvidia for PC its more fair
Ho Lee Chit Nvidia is seriously a dirty company, a pure example of corporate capitalism at work.
While AMD seem to actually care about their customers.
Don`t fret - Hairworks crippled the vast majority of PC`s and we all turned it off ! ha ha ha
yeah most of gamer and youtuber turn it off
But some games doesn't even have the switch, this is why it isnt fair
but dude, imagine if someday nvidia release the source as open source and everyone can use and optimize it, boom !!!! fluffy wolf for everyone :D
I mean...the gtx 1080 runs it like nothing lol
when hairworks, frames don't
"Makes the hair look sexy and wavy" Thats a wolf Philip
He wants to fuck the hair, not the wolf. Idiot.
Wait until Big Navi kills off Nvidia like how they did with Intel
**Laughs in 3000 series**
*Laughs in 16GB vram in Midrange card
Whaaat? You mean Nvidia is competing with another company for business, and ISN'T trying to give their competitors the same edge they have? It's almost like they're a company trying to make money in a competitive market!
+Random Canadian What's their next step, trying to SELL hardware? What a bunch of schmucks.
Young Frankenstein I know! They may even try to make a profit off of the hardware they sell! Blasphemy!
+Random Canadian just a new circle jerk, kids will forget and find something new in a week
Derheight It's also not giving your opponent training wheels because they can't stay upright, or giving them a piggyback for the 100m. If they're inferior, why try to make them better in a competitive, business environment?
Derheight Competition is just that, competing. You compete to win. If a kid stands in right field staring at the cricket in the grass and the baseball goes over his head while he picks his nose, he shouldn't get a trophy. Business isn't about being nice to your competitors, and it isn't done by coddling the weak. If AMD can't compete in the market by coming up with a better plan, then they need to go away and get replaced with someone who can compete.
oh my goodness. after 8 trillion years of saying this, I finally found a second human who feels this way.
I feel it now backfired with the troubled RTX 3000 series launch
From the video I got the impression that nVidia wants to stay at the top by keeping better hard/software to themselves while AMD not only doesn't develop a equal counterpart, but also gives out their know how to everyone. That's not how you bussiness
I've said this on this video before, and I'll say it again: *Having the only two graphics card companies, a duopoly, collaborating with each other is not a good thing for the end users.*
Well, you also have Intel HD Graphics. XD
+Derively Intel is catching up, too. Onboard video is not atrocious like it used to be. For a non-gaming machine, it can be fine.
+prettylittleditty89 keeping your technology going into the cards open source does not make it collaboration. If AMD and Nvidia collaborated it would be on the design of the chip, the pcb, the cooler, etc. Not on software used by the chips them selves. Releasing the software makes an even playing field proving who truly has the better chip.
When the software is closed source a card from either company can perform better or worse even with the same specs.
***** "New" dirty level? Since when is closed source / proprietary software "new"?
Do you know the trend in software is moving towards open-source, and not away from it? Even Microsoft is partially embracing it now, and they were the ones leading the charge to almost universally close all software source code.
I think he's more talking about intentionally sabotaging performance than closed/prop software.
Ahhh... So AMD is like Android and Nvidia is like Apple
Except the market share is very different. And the market share controls how the companies will behave.
The price gap is not as large. Apple ridiculously overpriced for a technically inferior device. Apple is about social status, and have stated as much. nVidia has a bit of that, but it's more due to it's customers rather nVidia pushing that image. They are actually very mum on marketing to players. The cards speak for themselves. Comparatively, top of the line AMD cards are almost just as expensive but not nearly as performing. The middle of the road AMD cards are cheaper, but are proportionately also not as performing. They best is in the low end, where they are actually cheaper for what you get. Remember, as this video showed, AMD cards can't actually perform as well as they seem like they should on paper.
or misbehave?
Yeah.
Nvidia is run by moneyhungry retards and Android is open source and awesome
I would say no years ago, but now? I have to agree.
Apple used to be the one pushing innovation forward, adopting new technologies and forcing that f**king M$ to catch up. (a while ago Windows was ridiculously machine compared to MacOS un terms of user experience) Well not now:(
The worst problem is with CUDA. Anyone looking to buy a GPU can just say "no CUDA/NVENC/PhysX/OptiX/whatever, no buy" and go with NVIDIA. The fundamental problem of a non-NVIDIA GPU not having proprietary NVIDIA technology is one of the biggest reasons why AMD has fallen out in mind share, I imagine.
Nvidia hasn't learned from this point.
And BOOM! AMD ReLive announced
It is not announced, it is live! I use it for 5 days, and it is awesome!
Bettter than Shadowplay
I had 60 fps in my first 20 recordings, now I can't reach it anymore. I turned the settings down and hoped that I could get my 60 fps in recordings back, but it's gone. Forever.
Vu Khuat Huy Nope. Definitely not better than ShadowPlay. No fanboying here, just my opinion after trying out both.
What graphics card? Works well for me
So what I see is: AMD is like Android and NVIDIA is like Apple?
not really, apple blocks himself off from everything. if nvidia was like apple then they would make their own pcs that dont work with anything but nvidia
so nvidia is in that sense exactly like apple.
They do that though. AMD have always allowed cross-vendor multi GPU, Nvidia doesn't. So AMD wouldn't mind if you had both an Nvidia card and an AMD card in your PC. But Nvidia immediately disables their card if they detect an AMD GPU running on the system.
Jacob gm Except NVIDIA actually cares for performance
Right, which is why they'll add features that hurt everyone"s performance, as long as it hurts the competitors more, right?
7:13 queue the smoothest transition ever
Why this suddenly on me feed? Either way, very enjoyable as always!
ive seen a lot of people so far saying they dont see the problem with AMD bankrupting and nvidia keeping their stuff for them selves and playing unfair games. well lets see at this past year, after AMD released their 390 which were cheaper and better performing than the 970 so people complained of the 970's prices, so nvidia dropped the prices of their 970's. If AMD goes bankrupt and cant release new cards, we will be stuck with an overpriced monopole of a graphics card which will be nvidia. And also if intel beats AMD on the processor game, buying a computer will suddenly become a much much bigger hole in your wallet than before.
***** indeed, well at least some1 can see the bigger picture here x'D
Better performing? By a few fps maybe thats right, by using twice as much power on the other hand.
I got a R9 390 here right next to me which im going to send back tomorrow, my PSU couldnt handle it.
Of course its my fault and i just need to buy a new PSU for sure, but now i own a 970 which works fine for me.
But i agree, we need both companys on the marked and they need to have a competition, if Nvidia wins all gamers will lose
+themanafreak if AMD goes out of business it'll be their fault. business is competitive. IBM got out of the consumer PC market years ago because microsoft was seriously kicking their asses. i wonder if anyone here is old enough to remember OS/2...then again not many that are still do.
+TragicMaster
It does not use twice as much power... that is BS.
Also, serves you right for cheaping out on the PSU. That is the one thing you NEVER skimp on.
A 500W one will do fine with the R9 390... if you use less than that, do not OC your 970 as it will use a LOT of power when OCed...
+themanafreak i don't think amd will go bankrupt since all modern consoles use amd technology :D
I think AMD is a great company, but i wish they made gpus to rival 1080 and Titan-spec sometime in the near future
Creepy Lil' Llama Rx Vega coming
Meanwhile in the near future...
RX VEGA ?
Yeah, Vega KILLS any nvidea product out there as of now. Though nvidea buys out all the major game devs that will sell out. They put tech in games that will purposely make AMD cards run worse in those titles. Simply because it is impossible for AMD to optimize their hardware for the nvidea exclusive features, they run worse only when those features are in the game in question.
What I find funny is how the nvidea fanboys refuse to accept the fact that when it comes to non-game related GPU programs, VEGA is always in the lead. Sometimes by twice as much as the titan xp.
The vega 64 is better in some aspects compared to the 1080, but the 1080 still runs about 1-2% better and surprisingly is over $100 cheaper than the vega. So the vega, currently is not worth the buy.
The 1080TI destroys the vega. But that is because well, its Nvidias flagship and we all know how overboard Nvidia goes to gain that edge. I do hope for a day when AMD cards are dead equal to Nvidia because I FUCKING HATE THE GOD DAMN PRICE OF NVIDIA CARDS.....
I also wish for a day when AMD and Intel are equal on the playing field too. This one i can see happening in a couple years though with how well the ryzen is doing, but on their graphics front, they are not doing as well as they could be.
Rtx is just a ridiculous cash-grab, my AMD graphics card (shamefully can’t remember what it’s called) can run SEUSS ray tracing shader just fine and now Nvidia is requiring people to buy a new card just so they can unlock ray tracing for one game when it already exists? It’s insulting
Youre hilarious man :)))
I would've bought a RX 580 or even a Vega 56 for the sake of supporting AMD, but as none of models were available in the past weeks for a fair price due to the production shortages caused by miners, I stick with a GTX 1070. I mean, I'll not spend 100$ more on the inferior RX 580 just because it has higher hash rates.
Lukas Beier that is fair. I got an RX 580 for msrp and I have freesync too.
Technically only 1/4th of people can't use Nvidia's features. Market share, ya know? And Game Works features are made FOR Nvidia cards... You can easily disable Hair Works in settings, and other game works in settings...
Plus AMD HAD an opportunity to get PhysX, Game Works, e.t.c... Since they're all CUDA accelerated. And Nvidia offered them CUDA before. Even Intel's getting it now. And the Gsync monitors are technically superior. They have a much wider refresh range. And PhysX is open source now...
I expected more from you Phillip, the part about 1/2 of people not being able to use Gameworks was the worst part. And I firmly believe GPUopen will fail since there's no reason for optimizing for 25%< of users when the other ~75% of the dGPU Market Share is Nvidia, who can afford to send out engineers to Devs to help with features.
Once again I'm disappointed... I expected you to atleast get the market share right...
+niofalpha IF AMD is gone Nvidia card price will skyrocket and double in price and any slight inovations that Nvidia is doing will be gone completely. To siplify yo uwill be paying TitanX price for a gtx 950/960...
+RefleXAimerZ You don't get out much do you?
+kr1gas Are you aware of how Monopoly laws work? If AMD goes bankrupt (presumably when Zen fails) both Intel and Nvidia will be forced to sell portions of there companies since they would have Monopolies in CPUs and GPUs respectively. It would be likely Intel or Samsung would go into the dGPU market, replacing the competition. Plus if anything will Bankrupt AMD it's the APUs... Currently no point of getting an A10 with Skylake having better iGPU's, CPU performance, while being similarly priced.
+kr1gas and at no point did I say I want AMD to fail. Only that I believe GPUOpen will.
+niofalpha GPUopen will do fine.. It's (quite literally) open source GameWorks. There's only a few things GameWorks does that AMD technologies don't. Since it's open source, developers can mess with the code all they want and really utilize the tools. It's better for everybody since (unlike with GameWorks that hurts performance on ALL GPUs) it'll be totally open for NVidia to optimize for.
2015, 2016 and still tearing issues on lcd screens..... really i gotta back to crt
+Shiba Inu get a 144hz monitor and the tearing is gone
mate I sold my 21 inch CRT diamondtron couple years ago, color was going a bit but holy crap do i miss how smooth it was when playing games!
muleoftheeast tearing only appears when you use a monitor below 100Hz... any screen above shows no tearing even without vsync or gsync
It was an NEC diamondtron running at 1600x1200 and I got it for free from the editorial dept of the paper I used to work for closed down.
I'm currently have on an NEC 1980sxi 19 inch.
+Shiba Inu
I forgot about photographic screens, currently i have eizo S2243W - freesync technology would be great soultion for that, photographic screens are better for overall image and color quality, better color range but worse for refresh and response times.
I'd love to see this become a series with a new video talking about DLSS, RTX, and FSR.
I think it's time for an update on this video Philip
Another point is, that nvidia barely releases documentations about it's architecture, which makes it very hard to use it from open source operating systems like Linux. There are still problems with open source drivers, because they are just written by reverse engineering the cards.
This videos message in a nutshell: Please NVIDIA stop doing business and start doing charity so that you get down on AMDs crappy level of almost going bankrupt.
+gozxdesastros your comment in a nutshell: Rob me, please!
+gozxdesastros They aren't almost bankrupt lol. Far from.
+Splendido Splendente In a nutsack:
When its cold: rob me
When it's warm: im going to give hundreads of dollars to get a graphics card that can give as same performance as amds cheaper card because nvidia is green
every gamer (if he/she has brain) uses AMD cards. A: They're cheap and perform even better in UHD than Nvidia. B: AMD is nice to the endconsumer - open source for every developer - for FREE. AMD is far from going bankrupt. They're well, 80% of the consumers market uses AMD graphics. Nvidia always is 20-30% more expensive. So you're willing to pay 800$ for ONE GPU that gives you 4 more frames than a 450$ AMD unit? Yeah, it got more frames woho. Not everything that's shiny is automaticly gold.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I read all day.
I love AMD, they even give support to their oldest products, and many new drivers work well on old hardware.
Try running any Linux distro with ATI/AMD, then talk about drivers working if you manage to get a tear-free desktop within 2 weeks without being able to cook dinner using the GPU heatsink. And that's in the open source ecosystem that AMD allegedly worships.
@DeadLink 404
I can essentially say the same thing about ATI/AMD drivers affecting 6-7 computers I've worked on. Open source had terrible performance and overheated, proprietary had a bunch of feature and compatibility issues (and its performance outright sucked compared to the Windows driver).
At the same time, Nvidia was running the same codebase for Windows and Linux, had the same or better performance on Linux, and for the most part worked out of the box (most of the issues were related to Bumblebee and such).
Even if AMD did change some things later on, we had already endured a decade of ATI/AMD cards essentially being paperweights on Linux.
@DeadLink 404 I like AMD,but you have to admit they have pretty crummy windows opengl drivers
Please make a new vid on the same topic for the 3000 series!
Now I feel ashamed for having Nvidia's GPU...
+Black'en Sweg whem i got my first computer i didnt even know amd existed.. i had an nvidia card.. and every next computer i bought was with nvidia inside
+Black'en Sweg You cared enough to make that comment .
Is that time of the month again ?
+Tajulek Well you can upgrade to an AMD GPU esp when Polaris comes out. Not your fault for not knowing the true colors of Nvidia.
I still prefer Nvidia .
I lost it at 3:48 ahahhahahah
Glad I wasn't the only one
same
SUISIDEBOYS good. I wasn't the only one who cracked up
2017 and that hair shacking is still funy.
Past Shadow64 He is so serious in this video and then this random hair whipping comes.
I still can't get shadowplay to record my mic with a decent quality.
OBS is much superior to shadowplay, I really have no idea what you're on about, shadowplay records via NVENC, OBS can do that as well if you choose that in the options, AMD's version is AMF which is also supported by OBS, from experience AMF isn't as good as NVENC but pretty much all people who care about streaming/recording with good image quality won't want to use either seeing as x264 encoding using the CPU looks much better using the same bitrate.
I think Shadowplay is better optimized for NVENC because it's made by the people who make the cards, and I have noticed that OBS recordings with NVENC lag if your CPU is maxed out, but Shadowplay recordings don't...
GTX 1080 is out now, RIP in peace AMD
+My name is Jeff Do you know what else will be much cheaper and still perform well? The GTX 1060. :D
+naram Eisa Upper mainstream GPU for high end prize with shitty cooling in overprized reference edition that does not have full DX12 support? Good luck.....
All amd fans gonna rage on me now
Fatih LM We should not buy the Founder's Edition, but the third party OC'd cards for $600 is a pretty good deal. The 980 was $550, when it was launched, and this brings more improvement than that card did.
"terrible cooling" - yeah, all reference cards have terrible cooling, there's nothing new about this. The other cards with 2-3 fans will have good cooling.
Can't maintain high clockspeeds? You mean that overclocked 2100MHz? That would be a miracle if the reference cooler could hold that 31% OC for a long time.
+naram Eisa It'll get crippled by driver updates soon enough.
I hate what Nvidia did to PhysX. I have a GT 730 and a GTX 970 and think it's so cool that I use my weaker card for just running physics calculations. If Nvidia had kept PPUs and integrated them into GPUs I believe PhysX would have a lot more developers on board today.
Not really. The real problem with PhysX is that it's just not a good physics engine. It's got a terribly unstable constraint system, and it's very slow for body-body collisions. (Like, say, a stack of boxes.)
What it is good for is lots of small non-interacting objects, like debris or particles. It can handle hundreds of thousands of flying cubes, but only if those cubes can't touch each other.
Thing is, most games (say, like skyrim) need much more complex physics interaction. This requires physics objects be able to interact with other physics objects, rather than just the ground.
It just can't compare to Havok or even Bullet for that. The difference gets even greater when you need to build machines with joints and stuff, like the stuff in G-mod or Half-Life 2.
It still gets marginal use some by low-end games, because they only require basic physics and care more about the extra visual effect.
Very top end AAA can do better on their own these days.
Whole point of physic engine is not making gamedevs life easier. Its about unload the CPU. So good or bad, Nvidia definely ruined PhysX, case It can be free or otherwise its piece of shit.
No. The point of a physics engine is to provide a stable physics solution. This isn't about making a programmers life easier, it's about making games not take decades to write. Creating a physics engine is extremely difficult, but if there are some already available, efficiently integrating them with a rendering engine takes *merely* a few months. Once done, a physics engine lets you do all the kinds of moving/stacking/jumping/falling/knocking things over you would expect. Except that PhysX is really bad at that unless the world is kept very simple. (On a card or not, it's the same either way.)
What it does well, it does very well. It can create a very large number of non-interacting objects. Weather you tell it to run on the GPU or not, this is still true. If the GPU is not actually being used for graphics, it might run faster on GPU. However, if the GPU is actually needed for running complex shaders, etc, it might actually give better FPS to run on CPU.
I re-iterate, PhysX was never good to begin with. Bullet and Havok are far better in almost every way. I have considered using it along side the others though, as a particle engine.
It's still very good at that, and it is good at that weather or not you have an Nvidia card.
Please don't think that physics calculations need to run on a GPU for performance; it's hard even for developers to predict weather or not that is really the case, since GPU load can shift dramatically even while the game is running, and it really doesn't save much CPU usage.
Flare I am you can do that?
my 760 is no different in physics than my 1060
that's why I tend to stick with amd...i always root for the underdog
but you are limited
Enki And you shall reap the rewards of your decision.
FineWine indead
@instorm3r limited due to nvidias shitty practice, is not limited due to lack of power in gpu. you remove shit like physX and you will find that amd can perform on par.
anti-consumer much?
G in Nvidia's G-Sync in Gay