Why every game needs Bots
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I feel so identified with this video. Don't get me wrong, I love multiplayer games, but bots are the secret sauce most of the times. Bots make you feel special and inmersed, and as you mentioned, keep a game alive when no one plays it anymore. kliksphilip, if you ever read this comment, I recommend you trying out star wars battlefront 2 (2005) and ravenfield. These games will give you a lot of fun and have a very big emphasis in singleplayer experience.
Speaking of which, BF2 (the real one) even has active MP servers now too, you really get the best of both worlds!
BOT SWAT I can recommend ravenfield
I wish we could update the AI. =/ As a coder, I've thought about doing it but the task would be enormous. Or, so I'd imagine since I haven't looked at all the LUA scripts.
Rave Yoda Well, a big downside of having complex AI is performance. Yes, maybe you can make an Ai that flanks you, aims well, organizes with other AIs and stuff like that, but when you have 30,60 even 100 of those the performance goes to shit. The best AI systems are usually the most simple ones.
BOT SWAT I know what you mean. Some performance boosters are possible though. A kind of clumping system that might control sets of bots than each being unique is one technique but then that kills complexity. Maybe that would be done on 1/2 or 2/3 of the bots. Idk, but I've thought about it a lot since Battlefront 2 is my favorite game probably of all time.
I just want bots because my ping is so bad at times.
yep, same for me...
sigh... me to... god dammit Australia!
Me too 😢
oh boi its 12am
Thank you, those of us with bearable internet connections thank you and hope that maybe you got a better one to play with us in the year since this comment.
Multiplayer shooters are so toxic bots are your friends
i only play r6 seige and pubg but only on asian severs where i can't understand a word and i smoke them come top 10 and they are freaking out making me laugh way too hard yeah pubg is great for non toxic organic MP if you can't understand what anyone is saying
i find most multi shooters kind of boring tbh
the only thing csgo is fun for is griefing in comp matches and watching the reactions
it's only as toxic as you want it to be, you have the choice to mute voices or ignore chat, you have the choice to stick to good games instead of top of the charts ones or ones that have something to gain from high ranks (encouraging cheating, etc), dont need to create a self fulfilling prophecy
Toxicity problem happens in all competitive games.
I like bots for the sole reason of immortalizing many of my favorite classic online games/mods
This. Without them, there would be no reason to play the games, if but to spectate the maps and listen to the music of the game while wishing you could play it again. Companies probably figured this out and that is why they exclude bots, because it would prevent forcing players to migrate to newer titles.
@@rixille i guess so, but that alone is just asking to be overrun by pissed off, nostalgia baked hippies like me
@@LowEndPCGamer100 Indeed.
And if bots and done Right can feel really smart to the point where they surprise you and actually challenge you without having to get sweaty
gentlemen
(look at your profile pic)
“Multiplayer has only shown me that I’m not special, and that there is always someone, somewhere, who’s ready to ruin my day.”
Hard same (L4D2 Versus)
It took me _nine_ years and thousands of wasted dollars to realize this.
Every game needs bots. Period.
gf bot plx
If only !
I like bots for many reasons. You can learn the basics without random chat abuse. Play when you want. Quit when you want, without having to feel like you're leaving people in the middle of a game. Pause the game at any time. Scalable difficulty. You said many of these, so I guess my point is that I agree with you. I used to play Unreal tournament a lot and made maps for it as well. Still wishing for a new fps game with bots and the posibility of adding custom maps. Anyways, thanks for another great video.
Who cares about chat abuse? Just ignore them, or would you rather get upset over something someone on the other side of the planet said to you in a video game on the internet?
ravenfield. the developer said it'll NEVER have multiplayer, and it's heavy on mods.
I don't have a game with custom maps I can recommend you, but I have one with bots: if you like explosions, a few bots that feel like hundreds, scalable difficulty used to always make you seem to be very close to losing, old games that no one plays anymore, more random explosions, a very old and buggy physics engine, and wingsuits/parachutes, then you should try *Just Cause 3*!
@@spacewargamer4181 imagine there was a mod... No srsly have you heard about the multiplayer mod?
@@spacewargamer4181 and also, I might have been talking about bots, not multiplayer, just saying
its actually a little known fact that alot of multiplayer games still have bot support, you enable it by going into your settings and changing "server preference" to "na"
For real, every game DOES need bots. To me it's all about longevity. Having the game not became a sad bunch of empty maps once there's no more players online (if the game even allows you to get into empty maps at all). That right there is sad and a huge waste. There needs to always be something to do so the game doesn't cease to exist altogether. That's why we need bots, in my book. Mean Greens is a great example of a game that SORELY needs bots. It's been in my wishlist for a long time and the only reason I haven't bought it is that comments are always saying the game is dead. If it had bots, I'd buy it.
Example is Warcraft 3, Sure they're like 50k players playing the game, but a good old 1v11 or 6v6 match with armies clashing and killing each other is fun as hell.
same thing goes for quake 3, the bots will even stop for sec just to send a message to you like how a real player would.
Sir Caco tell this to Battlefield
Halo needs this
It's depressing how many multiplayer games right now are going to be completely dead because the bigsuits wanted to sell a sequel
Easy solution: just keep playing the older games. Nothing wrong with them, still god damn fun, away from all the money-grabbing DLCs/loot boxes/etc...
The problem is older games, especially PC ones, become increasingly uncooperative to newer computer hardware and OS'. Emulation and virtual machines can only bring you far before the games no longer function smoothly.
@@s2korpionic Eventually the devs stop supporting the older games, and they inevitably turn into a hack fest.
It;ll only turn into a hackfest if the community was cancerous to begin with. @@bluesrocker91
@@s2korpionic There's no guarantee that you'll physically be able to in a number of cases. Always-online DRM, and a reliance on the publisher's servers are grim, but normal parts of modern releases, and even multiplayer games without these hard-limits don't live forever, at least until you end up with a community of, like, twelve people total.
You just got yourself another subscriber. I cannot tell you how many times I've said that the Battlefield franchise needs to reintroduce full bot support.
ACE1918 fuck yeah it does
They are now experimenting with self learning ai you can find it by searching battlefield seed
They do, I loved battlefield 3's multiplayer but unfortunately there aren't many servers where I live and the campaign isn't as complete as the multiplayer (tanks, jets and helicopters all at the same time).
Same! Singleplayer/splitscreen offline bots are the way to go!
True
I totally agree with you!
Bots can also add some good immersion that couldn't be achieved with players.
Titanfall 2 is a good example. The Minions that run around taking cover, shouting out, and preparing to breach into a room. Players dont do this...they run in and go 420MLG360NoScope.
Bots should be mandatory in games. But bots that can give immersion and pure fun at the same time :D
Yup. Bots can act like they are really in the situation. Normal players don't yell and run away when they get hit. Bots, if programmed to, can.
I wounder why no one mention Titanfall 2 before, because its a great example how to use bots to make game more enjoyable and less tilting. Too bad bots was only in the "creeps" form and can't be your enemies in matches.
Agreed! Titanfall 1 and 2 should've had splitscreen and offline splitscreen/singleplayer bot support!
That's why I love racing games. Bots will never disappear from racing games. Heck, online is crap because people are mean.
Racing AI can sometimes be better than actual players , closer and fairer racing whilst being more consistent
I agree. I never play the online modes of racing games apart from my racing league and iRacing
ArcanineDE how do you find racing leagues to join?
@@calastyphon3414 Most of the time they are hosted and organized on a Discord Server and advertised on the reddit page of the game. Also some upload their races with commentary on YT and then have the link to discord in their descriptions. The most famous across games is probably AOR, but its for the high skill and pace drivers and also probably full
Bots when you overtake them : continues racing
Humans when you overtake them : pins you to the closest wall
Bots when they overtake you : Drives away
Humans : still pins you to the wall
Bot's car : something close to you in performance that is randomly generated
humans : stolen tune from someguy with a korean name either boring black or eye bleeding chrome with every single exterior mod that is in his way even if it looks bad
because my internet connection is shit
Same here.
Same
Fun with BOTS
Sad that this is basically the only video essay on multiplayer bots... or, at the very least, the only successful one.
TheGamerTronShow did a very good video on this topic some years ago, IMO.
When I was younger and CoD: Black Ops came out, I was so happy when I found out I could play with offline bots. I didn't have Xbox live at the time and I was young so my knowledge of the game was pretty horrible. The bots made me feel better and let me have more fun. Now, I do play online, but every now and then, I like to kick back and relax in a nice bot game. It feels more relaxed to me. And another thing is when games die out, how are you supposed to play the game? And like he said, it's not just cause I'm bad at the game. I have games online where I dominate, but still don't have as much fun as when I put the maximum number of bots in an offline lobby and effortlessly rip them to shreds.
dude same, except i played on my ps3 and i didnt have internet. i also played with my cousins, which tripled the fun
This. I remember discovering local multiplayer with bots and my brothers and I loved teaming up to wreck the bots. I wish more PC games had split screen multiplayer it would add so much that and bots of course
Elitist gamers remove the fun in multiplayer games.
Elitists remove fun in anything.
Casuals ruin any pure game
@@frankystrings Ehh me competetive!!!!!!!!!!!
@@frankystrings Eh those casuals trying to have fun and sneak on enemies and trying stupid strategies instead of just doing what pros do ehhhh darn them
@@SteveOnlin most elitists are just good cheesers that know engine capacity and manipulate Itm..... they aren't very good either... casuals don't know shit and still complain
I have actually felt really bad for killing bots when I was younger. It’s not that I thought they were real - but they feel real because they have a body and a voice.
I’ll never forget that time I whacked someone over the head in Halo 3 after he said “Want some ammo?” I regretted it ever since.
DragonInferno99 Ω WHAT :DDDD
Allow me to rephrase that - killing bots felt like murdering someone who never came back.
I would feel worse for killing bots than people - if they were friendly.
So glad to know I'm not the only sensitive gamer out there... :D
th-cam.com/video/XKWrbpehhhc/w-d-xo.html heres an example of the q3 bot convos
I hate when animals die... in movies or games. I also feel bad for the animals attacking the main character after they die or get hurt 😆
I cannot express how grateful I am for this video to exist.
This video sums up all my thoughts perfectly:
competitive human vs human play is not immersive and tiring, and especially not relaxing
bots allow the player to play any map/game mode he choses, instead of having to deal with other real people
exactly dude!
That segment about hating competitive multiplayer is too real. I hate that every multiplayer game nowadays is all geared towards the ranked competitive crowd! There's so much pressure to "git gud" in that type of environment that it stops being fun, even if the game-play itself appeals to me.
This video makes me more disturbed that I had a dream that I discovered you lived in a hidden part of my house and I tried to convince my wife that it was fine. Anyway, good content, keep it up; expect to pay rent soon...
you fucking killed me im laughing so hard
This is why I love you Phillip. I'm proud of you for being you.
"...and i didn't enjoy it even if I did end up winning" THIS holy shit.
Also it irks me how developers try to excuse not including bots over it being too "difficult" to develop when they have perfectly fine AI in campaign missions. Creating pathfinding for AI bots is easy. I used to do it for CS maps back in the day. They're just being lazy or think they have to throw hundreds of thousands of dollars at a team of programmers to do something one of them could pull off over a few weekends. It's just stupid and it's making me hate multiplayer games.
There's a difference between creating pathfinding for AI and creating AI, lol. That being said I think it's worth designing your game with AI in mind. They make all players feel a little bit more epic and they up the scale of a battle. For some shooters maybe it's not worth it, but for many it should be. It should be worth it for many games in general. This year DICE added bots to Battlefront 2 2017 and they are great. You can find them in Capital Supremacy, Co-Op and Instant Action. In casual games like this one everyone should be winning a little more than losing and that's why you add bots.
this goes for both of these comments
but bots for a game doesnt even have to be for normal pvp(or pvb in this case)
its as simple as something like firefight in halo reach and odst
same ai as the campaign
miles more enjoyment for offline play people
@@tylerherr4288 Those are _NPCs,_ not bots. Bots have the same abilities and animations as the player. We're talking about singleplayer/splitscreen offline bot support, not PvE (though PvE is fun too and also helps keep a game alive).
Exactly!
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I've finally found the gamers I relate to the most...
This video was spectacular. #BringBackTheBots 😭❤️👍
#OFFLINEBOTSFOREVER
Bots and couch coop are things I really wish would come back
Jose Pablo Kozaki ikr that momeant when u buy a xbox to play halo but no co-op pc come back to me
A Internet User They don't in pc ;-;
Jose Pablo Kozaki I remember when my friend showed me the games he had for his new Xbox One I asked why there was no splitscreen and he said it was because "People didn't like how small the screens got when playing with multiple people". That's still one of the dumbest things I think I have every heard him fall for.
Jose Pablo Kozaki if you haven't played it I would suggest a lego game because its a coop collect a thon I'd start with the lego Harry Potter collection for ps4 if you don't have a ps4 then just get lego harry potter years 1 through 4 and 5 through 7 there the same game the collection is just the games packaged together with all the dlc and a slightly higher resolution
Gavin Olsen Thanks for the recommendation
Bots are very important. Even Red Orchestra 2 felt better when the teams were half AI and half players. The AI added to some cannon fodder, general chaos and some truly unpredictable moments. When players refused to advance, the bots gave some good meatshield cover.
In games like UT, they are good for training and just having a blast. Just installed the newer unreal tournament thats still in development and despite it being on hiatus, I had a blast. It felt so nostalgic and so new.
Games with small, but dedicated playerbases also benefit greatly from bots. You can still find full matches in every unreal tournament for example, but its generally wiser to play against bots if you don't want to get 100% destroyed after a long break.
Bots add to any game out there, they do not deduct from the experience in any way.
Can't agree more for the RO2 part
It'd be cool to have more games lean into the half-and-half multiplayer aspect. Titanfall does it, but it's not nearly as integral as it could be due to how your movement trivializes the ai.
I'd love to play a game where I felt like a hero character on an RTS battlefied, duking it out with other heroes and trying to thin out the enemy army.
@@KZ_Suntorn like a mix between a MOBA and an FPS
@@KZ_Suntorn There're no bots in Titanfall. Only NPCs.
@@KZ_SuntornI recommend playing games like mount and blade
SW bf2 and another game which I forgot the name to but it's Literally an fps rts
As someone with several anxiety disorders, this video really hit home for me. I love playing games and I love a good challenge. But there is something about being forced to fight other people and constantly being compared to others that just makes me miserable. Always worried about being good enough and not letting down my team. It's all just too much most the time. I'll never forget my first pvp match of League of Legends after days of enjoying coop vs AI. I nearly had a panic attack in the middle of the game. Some people simply need bots to enjoy the same products as others. When I found out Heroes of the storm had single player with account progression I ended up playing the crap out of it. I even spent money on it. Playing a game like that alone and still having progression was a special feeling for me. I'm sure most people don't understand but it meant a lot to me. I can only hope more games do this in the future.
I agree with you 100%
Battlefield is the only PVP game I will play. Otherwise, I prefer Co-Op vs AI or Solo vs AI. I'm so hyped for Rainbow Six Extraction, cause I loved Siege but it's a stressful game to play
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I totally get where you're coming from. I miss bots in games so much. I love Apex Legends but it's insane how good people are in that game and I can't survive for a second. I consider myself a pretty good player, I'm usually between a 1.5-2kd kind of player in multiplayer games. Nothing crazy, but pretty good, but I can't go up against someone who hit 10000+ hours in a single game. It's ridiculous and those kinds of players are put in my matches! Recently I reinstalled the game on a new account and got to play the "orientation matches" with bots for new players trying to learn the game. It was incredible, the most fun I've had in Apex and I wish they would make it into a full game mode so badly. I would literally buy cosmetics (which I never do) if they do that because it would actually make me want to play their game more! I don't understand why devs refuse to do it even after they've already created the bots in other modes. It sucks man :(
Yes, we are talking to you EA
3:55 ... The feels, so many time i had entire nights talking to strangers and laughing like maniacs all that so that the next day i realise i didn't send them a friend invite and i'll never see these guys ever again
inb4 the 'recent players' button
Just simply rejoin the server you played with them
@@kn00tcn He aint talking about competetive or casual dumb dumb.
@@leonidezdionisio9915But he gotta sleep no? And maybe that guy in the server will never come back to it ever again?
As a developer/programmer, I will make sure to keep this well motivated opinion in mind :)
Who tf are u
As an aspiring developer/programmer, I will make sure give high priority to this well motivated opinion,simply because I share it.
I refuse to play multiplayer only games.
For example, the Battlefield franchise died for me after 2142 because of no bots. It was very dissapointing that the titan mode didn't work with bots, but I still liked it because of them.
I didn't even bother to pirate the games that came after 2142, that's how little I cared about them.
Yeah they have a campaign, they have the frostbite engine and cool graphics, so?
Most of the replayability is in the skirmish maps. I actually played Battlefield 2142 online and had fun with it, but I absolutely hate the idea that at some point I will stop having a usable game because people don't play it anymore. I also love playing with bots and doing whatever I'd like with them.
I still play Battlefield 2 because there are mods that let you play 64 player maps with as many bots as your PC can handle beyond the 64 normal limit
@@unocualqu1era you must be loving Ravenfield then,just like me!
Can I ask you something though,I downloaded BF 1942 because I heard there were bots in it,but those were so dumb and unresponsive that I barely had any fun with them,is 2142 any different?
Do the bots actually offer actual challenge?
unocualqu1era THANK YOU. I loved the hell out of 2142 and still have a physical copy. But now can’t do anything with it. I just want to play a game long after it’s passed and still get that thrill.
I like bots because of how you can play anytime you want with them and they won't care, like you said at the end
but also because I may lag or be bad at the real game and losing every match I play and getting kicked isn't fun for me currently
It also makes for good practice before going online so you're not a complete newbie
This is why I keep coming back to Mass Effect 3’s Multiplayer.
The closest thing you can get to Player-vs-Player competition is “Legolas and Gimili” kill counts.
That's a PvE game by design but yes, it's awesome. I just wish it had better balance and then it'd be perfect. Some things are clearly better than others in there, but the gameplay is really great. I prefer it to the one they offer in Andromeda MP with jetpacks, which take away the feeling of being surrounded. Also I just like the factions, maps and classes more in ME3, idk, you played ME: Andromeda MP, whaddya think?
The bot support in Call of Duty over the past releases has made me quite happy with the series and has kept me coming back. The bots since Black Ops 2 have been great and have been improving ever since. They're in WW2 as well :)
You can say whatever you want 'bout COD, but the fact that they still add bots in their game are epic. Especially WWII and MWR, which are surprisingsly good.
Takeshi but the bots are annoying as fuck when I practice quick scoping and they all throw grenades every time they fucking spawn
Idk Who cares Not sure if you are talking about bots or real players...isnt spawn nade throwing a must-strategy since...atleast first Modern Warfare? :D
Because bots use cancerous tactics, like humans we use cancerous tactics to boaster ourselves.
DeadlyTV and you can add bots on cod 4 and 5 with pezbots
Your video kinda helped me understand my little brother. He's 10 years old and for whatever reason plays Call of Duty Black Ops 2 with bots for all of his alotted 2 hours of gameplay a day.
He sets them to easy and just messes around with Ballistic Knives, Tomahawks, and all the killstreaks. Never understood why until now.
my little brother loves TF2 bots, they always make him laugh. i'm not letting him play online though. there's a lot of shitty people online.
el Soldat true
(el Soldat) That's true, TF2 is pretty appealing and funny to kids (and older people too, of course) that they'll find their deaths hilarious and can even find dying to them funny. It is adorable when a kid finds TF2 funny.
you never stood why high ranking boom pow exciting sandbox moments are appealing? not only is it too hard if not impossible to reach them on public games without experience/dexterity, but those high tiers are simply fun to shoot destructible environments (i guess in other games, not cod)
I just wanna say youve warmed up my heart with this vid. I thought everyone had an opposing oppinion. Thank you. Maybe thanks to people like you we can once again relive the pure gold years of gaming again,games that are there for fun rather than for corporate needs.
7:20 mate, I completely agree with you, I understand what it's like. I mostly play story driven, single player games (I still play a fair bit of multiplayer but not nearly as much as single) and part of the reason for that is because when I play a multiplayer game and things get heated, I don't like what i become, I get angry and explosive and I just turn into a jerk when I play too much multiplayer. It's nice to be able to play against a computer for once and it's (in my case) usually more fun at times. I agree with many points you make in this video, I love your content, keep it up
2:09 never gets old!
samantswap lolalalaaal
lol was looking for this
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what''s the joke referenced to?
th-cam.com/video/5mFPS6ln6xk/w-d-xo.html Here.
We NEED B0TS
I agree so much... I started making a survival game and I never questioned my plan to add NPC friendlies as well as enemies. Bots are underrated.
Hell yeah we need them
I agree, bots should be in every games
I've seen a trend in the past few years of people not finding games fun anymore, and I wonder how much of that is related to the competitive nature of all modern online games. When every game requires you to grind to be the best or get attacked for not being good enough: no wonder everyone is tired.
Never have I seen a video so relatable...
Was about to say exactly this..
Bots maintain a game's value by making it immortal, while an online community eventually dies. Developers think that multiplayer should be a replacement to singleplayer. Imho, it should be an alternative.
For example, I was a huge fan of Rainbow Six, until they ditched the strategic singleplayer experience with a lackluster and unrealistic lone wolf mode. I don't mind the multiplayer, and I gladly play it from time to time, I just want bots on my side too for a change of pace. Or in the case of Battlefield/Battlefront, they've ditched the replayability of skirmish matches with non-replayable (and forgettable) campaigns that are totally unfitting with the games' original concepts.
Moral of the story, multiplayer gives you that adrenaline rush, good moments with friends and competitiveness, while singleplayer is mostly a more immersive, relaxing and customizable type of playing where you can do what you want based on your mood. Two totally different experiences, and games that have both (not just linear stories, also mp bots) are a complete package in my eyes.
Btw, I wouldn't call BF1942 and Red Orchestra 2's bots "good", there are much better examples of bots that are smarter and pretty fun to play with: Unreal Tournament, Black Ops 2 (wish they'd work in all gamemodes), Day of Infamy, to name a few.
TheEngiGuy Yea the bots in bf1942 were really dumb xD. Although there was something charming about them I still wish they were better.
Yeah, I prefer the bots from BF2. They weren't perfect (especially drivers) but still pretty fun to play with, just have to mod the game to get access to 64 maps, and AIX mod is also pretty great as an overhaul of content.
You know what drives me nuts? AI commander was removed in version 1.5. They did the same in BF2142 in the same patch version. What were they thinking?!
"[Developers] think that multiplayer should be a replacement to singleplayer"
*publishers, directors, investors
The development for bots must be paid for in any game's development. Bots are usually subpar too, so anyone leading game design probably completely overlooks them because of that reason, and how much time they'll take to even get above the intelligence of a leaf. Bot DLC could work in theory, but they probably won't seem worth the price to most people until they see what's behind making them work, and how they'll help to preserve the game.
I want to have opponents to fight against even after the playerbase of a game is long gone. Bot support and offline play is something every multiplayer game should have
I wish battlefield 1 included bots. It's such a good game but bots could improve it so much.
They actually were testing bots, but never finished them.
Philips right, I played a lot of Red Orchestra and sometimes I’d join a server, go through a massive battle, just to look at the player list at the end and find it filled with bots. Now on Vietnam there’s many servers with 64/64, and then just 2/64. That’s it. SAVE THE BOTS
I think the "git gud" problem in multiplayer games is that it's a constant fight. It's like keeping your ELO high so you don't plummet, and you have to constantly fight... for what? To fight more to stay at a higher level to fight more to stay at a higher level? It's not even a vicious cycle, but a mindless grind.
Compare it to games like Guitar Hero. Right now I'm playing the pc version Clone Hero on expert with "No Fail" on... simply because here IT HAS AN IMPACT. And also that some songs are expert-only. But yeah, compare "memorizing all the spray patterns and hidey spots" with "being able to tap notes even faster than two weeks ago". One is rewarding, the other's a chore.
This is why bots are good. They let you play against a "good enuff" difficulty where you don't struggle and sweat and scream for NOTHING, and instead enjoy your time.
Also, using your HOOMAN SUPERPOWERS to help your bot side win the endless bot stalemates (as seen in Battlefield 2) is amazing. It's not "fast reaction times" and "perfect weapon balance", it's tactics and coordination.
This is what I love about speedrunning btw. At least if you don't start worrying about leaderboards, then you're back into human conflict again... But calmly competing against yourself, at the challenge you decide, with whatever cheats or modes you want this time. It's a good feeling!
migueeeelet the problem is skill based match making so when I have a 2 kd I start facing other 2 kd players rather then reaping the reward of getting better
completely agree
YEAH, HOOMAN SUPERPOW-
*(gets 360 one-tapped in the air by an expert CS:S bot)*
ooooh..... :C
But seriously, bots and the single player experience, more often than not, makes or breaks the game for me.
i dont know what game you are talking about but a game where the MM puts ppl with as you say 2kd with people that has less for you to "reap the rewards" doesnt sound fun for the other guy.
but a MM that puts you against players of similar skill(or kd in this case) sound alot more fair for both, No?
100% agree with everything you said here. I despise PVP games because people who play them competetively have convinced themselves that they are accomplishing something. They need this sense of accomplishment because they aren't having fun anymore, and without that they can't justifiably recognize the game for what it is: A game. People make excuses like "well some people make money in CPL" Yeah sure, but YOU aren't.
I am done with PVP games. The day the COD style obsession with pvp games ends is the day I might consider giving a single dollar to this godforsaken medium.
You should check out killing floor 2 by the way.
H3Vtux
have u ever heard of timesplitters 1 and 2 and future perfect? there old as heck but had an emphasis on bots and were great party games as they had 4 player splitscreen. man i miss those days. too bad its all about pvp now.
H3Vtux Or people are just having fun playing against other people having fun...
@@stevelarry3870
Most games i find even if they start with just fun. It ends with them getting aggressively competitive. Not in the good way either. Unless u have a ton of friends to fill boths teams it usually gets boiled down to this.
Cortez Baldur I have no idea what games you have played where that is a “most of the time” scenario.
@@stevelarry3870 not games people.
People are the ones who get aggreasive. Alot of people where i live get aggressive or upset in competitive games so yeah i do prefer bots its also cause im not super competitive. Just want a relaxing gaem of capture the flag or some other mode without having to be sir twitchy trigger
its always funny to look at old forums about people asking about games if it they had bots and when they get berated or dunked on for even asking the question and when i take a look at their playerbase its usually around like 16 players
*HELELELOT*
2:10
I completely missed that lol.
8:16 You blew my arms and legs off, I forgive you.
Don't worry, they respawn a second after they got blown to pieces.
This is why I love ravenfield
@@AaronCleetus-cj4gw exactly dude! nearly all of this is impossible online but with bots, its just better
Bots and private/solo servers are such a big boost to the lifetime of a game!
You said what my heart is feeling.
This exact reason is why I love Angels Fall First, which has an amazing level of bot support.
I like playing against bots in For Honor, the wait between matches is minimal and I continue XPing. Once in a while I switch to human opponents and it's kind of a crapshoot but I know what I'm getting with bots.
forwhenimakeanostalgicvideoaboutitin10yearstime..
I was just thinking, this comment has 200 likes but no reply which means you wouldn't have had a notification about it...
1:25 Philip, there's a mod that allows up to 32v32 bots, in the largest maps
But I already warn you, your PC will lag :D I think you can find it in moddb
You can run it in the base game too, just need to make a custom server and force 64 bots
you can mod the shit out of battlefield 2 by editing the files using only a text editor
change values from health of players and vehicles
damage and bullet types, velocity, on guns and vehicles
change the default loadouts so you can spawn as an american using a AK47
i changed the ammo type on the M4 so it would kill chopper pilots lol
i even managed to put a supressor on the mp5, but it was only cosmetic, because i couldnt get the sound right
I FUCKING LOVE BATTLEFIELD 2
You can also play Project Reality
Bruno Henrique holy shit I remember doing this, making the saiga 12k to fire tank shells, nostalgia...
Bruno Henrique
Oh man l remember making so many OP weapons and vehicles. it was so fun :D
Real players tend to ruin the experience for me, if you get into a lobby with some good sports it's not a problem. But nowadays communities have become cesspools of people who're just insulting each other for no reason. I miss the days when bots were more common, they were a fun distraction and never complained or shouted profanity in your ear.
The original Star Wars Battlefront 1 and 2 were defined by their huge bot filled battles and engagements, it helped make every match feel like a warzone.
Now if you enter a nearly empty server in a multiplayer game, the server is just a barren wasteland with nothing to occupy it. I'm ashamed of the modern games industry and people who disregarded this feature and just hated on it for the sake of it.
I miss bots. ;-;
Man, i hate when people hating bots in the game. Games like verdun or tannenberg needs them, yet there are still people complaining about it. If there are enough people to fill the servers, of course having bots would be annoying. But, damn, the population are already low as it is, and some still prefer a dead server rather than bots filled server, or maybe a server with a bunch of high pingers because their local servers are empty. Why some people think the game will manage to have full servers, when they could actually see the concurrent player? And who want to wait for hours in an empty server for it to be filled with people? Or maybe that's just because I'm from SEA area. Bots may never have the skill of high level players, but they could still give a glimpse of what could have been like with a full server.
It's so
satisfying to watch this video after DICE added a full offline Conquest like mode for their Battlefront 2 (2017).
I hope they add all eras to it
There is a game on steam now called Ravenfield which is a sort of low res battlefield style game for something like $10. Its made just for single player and with bots in mind, i know you can't know every game that comes out and the majority of games do lean in your favor but they are still out there.
I checked it out, it's not a bad game but it lacks CO-OP. Which is a huge turndown for me sadly. Mowing down bots may satisfy others, but I'd rather have quirky interactions with bots in a group rather than alone.
Agree
Offline bot support used to be a standard, now it's considered a rare feature - some even consider it useless since they're into mindless online grinding so much. I always prefer games with proper offline gameplay, as well as ones with good mod support.
DOOM 1/2, Battlefield 1942, Unreal Tournament 1999/2004, Company of Heroes, Mount and Blade, Hearts of Iron, Sims... and the list goes on
I thought i was alone with such opinion.
Im thankful for you making this video.
"Hot, pure man on man action."
-2kliksphilip
I bought unreal tournament 99 on steam sale in 2017. Best purchase so far. Played it a lot when I was a kid against bots and had more fun than in any multiplayer game.
Bots are so nice, when you play CS:GO at 4AM at night and everybody is already sleeping.
I love in CSS how bots speak to each other, I forget they are bots most of the time.
I still remember the good old days of playing Unreal Tournament against bot and never got tired of it, so many games could benefit of having well programmed bots instead of player just in case the game is deserted by the players, Ravenfield in my opinion is the best example of that, no multiplayer just massive fights with very well programmed bots that flank you and behave like a true player should
If a multiplayer game doesn't have bots, I ain't buying that shit. I don't want to risk spending money on a game that may only have humans playing it for a couple years before it becomes abandoned. Bots ensure that I can have a fun time playing the game as much as I want without having to worry, and I can adjust their skill level myself for a challenge or to fuck around and have fun. That's why the Unreal Tournament games are still fun for me to this day, because you don't need human players to play it. These games need bots. End of story.
Wait, YOU made the CP_Castle map? Well then let me say thank you for bringing me endless joy killing bots (and occasionally friends.) It's been my favorite map for awhile now, and definitely one of the best I've ever downloaded.
probably one of the best videos ever 2kliksphilip, this was so fun.
"Hot pure man on man action" made me feel uncomfortable!
I am 200 percent sure that was intentional
Holy crap, this made me realize why I hate the new Battlefield games.
i realized after bf1 sadly, 35 hours in and i unlocked everything i wanted to and "did it all"
meanwhile i have 750 hours in bf4 and 1400+ in bf3 and i still have stuff to unlock and challenges to do in those lmao
bf1 makes hardline look like deus ex
oh and those hours are PC only, counting console time its easily another 1000+ hours for those :D
It made me realize why I loved Ravenfield.
EA announced bot support earlier this year so that should hopefully be coming out soon! ( This applies to bf4 and up maybe 3 not sure tho)
@@notnoodle1918 Nice!
Bots are freaking great. Even if one prefers PvP, you can have the option to practice and explore the maps at your own pace, and you can always play whenever/however YOU like -- including the ability play your favorite map or game mode when a game is (inevitably) no longer the flavor of the month.
(while some games do retain a small playerbase years after, I find mostly they are MLG tryhards who are know every exploit and tactic there is. You'll never be able to play as you could when it first came out)
If the game is Offline, you will not be made 100% Dependent to someone else's servers somewhere.
There's nothing wrong with options, especially options that benefit everyone.
This is the reason I love Arma 3 so much as you can create you own battles with only bots on the editor
You'd mentioned Call Of Duty.
But believe it or not it still ship it's games with fully functional bots since Black Ops 2 (2012) - and Black Ops 1 having a prototype of what to come.
WW2 has an amazing bot support, and playing War mode with them is even more enjoyable than real players since they'll go to the objectives AT ALL COSTS
Rockett Sally even MW2 and 3 had special ops, which was iw’s experimental version of bots. I’ve lost interest in the series after Infinite Warfare but I still love the fact they have bots in every one of the newer games.
Multiplayer bots are different from single player bots. Single player bots take cover behind obstacles and have special animations for things such as being incapacitated and blind fire. Multiplayer bots are basically normal players controlled by an AI.
PUBG needs bots, all the battle royal games need bots
While I agree programming and coding them will be a massive undertaking and most battle royal devs aren't willing to put in the time or money.
in multiplayer shooters, there should be more bots, even gamemodes where you play against and with bots. everyone wants to feel like the main character, and gamemodes dedicated to you fighting bots satisfy that want. Star Wars Battlefront II (2017) has Co-Op, where you can play alone or with friends completely against bots.
I feel this! They're good for practice, for times without internet (on the way), and they keep the value of an online shooter even when the servers are offline already.
They dont want bots because they keep the game alive and a lot of people dont buy the new version of the game then. Thats also why most story games today get boring once you played trough it. Because the devs want it so.
it's all about $$$ in the end, especially for a big ol' corporation :D
That's why mod support is so important in games I buy.
PR1M3 How do you imagine developers somehow engineer single player games to be worse on a second play-through? That makes absolutely no sense.
This is why I don't buy anything new. Fuck these shitty distributes and devs.
@@SomeKindaSpy There are some good new games, you just gotta hunt for them now.
8:09 Monika disapproves.
Alenoba nice
I pretty much make sure I can play a game offline with bots before I buy it.
“... Who wanted hot pure man on man action?” - 2klicksphillip
I understand how you feel,I still play Timesplitters if was like 2005.
Sometimes games just have to be fun and I not talking about difficult
play multiplayer with other people can be rough and frustrating experience that not worth the experience.
and I never like the idea of depend of other people to enjoy a game.
After ten years games like PUBG may not have players to fill a server,soon or later people always moved or servers are closed.
I absolutely agree, I've spent so much time playing against bots in Unreal Tournament.
Battlefield 2 has a mod called Allied Intent Xtended (AIX) that completely remakes the existing maps, and adds extra maps for 64 player support. Imagine the chaos! It is wonderful.
here after valve removed bots in CSGO. RIP
Wait they removed bots??
This video speaks to me so much... when I was younger, I would play older games that my dad owned, games like battlefield 2, the weird battlefield games like 2042 the space one and different modded versions of battlefield 2(lots of time spent on that game), cs source and the cs that had missions, I used to play the old star wars battlefront games against bots with my neighbour who I quickly became friends with. all of these few games I had many hours playing offline with just bots, at that time I only had a slight understanding of multiplayer and didnt even know how it all worked. When I was a little bit older When me and my friends all used to play bo1/bo2 and when we were bored of multiplayer and zombies we would play against bots and set challenges for ourselves like getting to 500 kills with no deaths on nuketowm with only a sniper kinda thing and that was also a ton of fun.
When i was a kid, i played RTS games against bots. Sure, sometimes they're unfair bullshit good, but other times they're idiots that don't know anything.
But you know what? i actually enjoyed more then playing against players.
2042, space mod is an official battlefield...its Battlefield 2143, one of the best, but not the best...sadly, very underrated...
imagen bf4 with bots :0
Imagine Bad Company 2 with offline multiplayer bot support.
I would play the game more than I used to
I'd install those games again. I hate when I join a server to play some matches and get instantly kicked for using a gun the admin doesn't like.
Or those cancerous Bad Company 2 servers with hacks and infinite ammo that most people apparently like to play on. *autistic screeching*
They were experimenting with them on some servers a couple years back search up bf4 bots to see them in action
For everyone wondering aobut BFBC2, some guy made bots for it search it on yt.
YES, VALVE, EVERY GAME NEEDS BOTS
long live offline games with bots
So you're a PvE kind of guy, eh Phil?
PAYDAY 2 is a pretty good PvE nearing its "complete" later years, but is still a great team based game. Give it a shot if you haven't!
bought the complete edition for like 16$ canadian during black friday sale, havn't regretted one second so far :D
bots should be in everygame for ppl who have trash internet or arent good like me dont get me wrong multiplyer matches are a lot of fun but when you have bad internet or just dont like ppl haking or saying bad stuff or being reckt bots can be tons of fun
Or people who don't have internet at all
I very much agree with you here.
The amount of MMOs I've played (online only) that would've made for funish single player experiences if they just added bots. Imagine if CODBO3 had story in it's big map with NPCs and missions aswell as it's battle royal mode. Perhaps an option to mix them together.
sometimes you dont want to be t bagged in a tactical shooter
bots are also because it helps you practice and get better at the game. if you think it was too easy, then you can just simply crank up the difficulty. it really helps you get used to the game which is why i agree with having bots in games
It would be nice if someone set up an open source AI package that game developers could simply drop into their games. Rather than spend time implementing it, you would just have to make it fit. That way we would see more games with bot support, i think.
Also, i personally think that PUBG would be way better with bot support. No cheaters, for starters.
Bots are hard to program and most of the player would hate to play agaist it because they will be too easy to beat or they clearly cheat if programmers made a script. They became a niche for who want simply have fun. Popular games could not expose their code because it could possibly bring more cheats, but it could fix the problem with other almost dead game.
that sounds awesome but in reality would be a mess to add. Each game has different objectives, tactics, gameplay elements, mechanics and creating an AI that does everything very well for every game is near impossible. The amount of time trying to fit the AI would be too much for some developers, nevermind the fact that it would be an infuriating proces because of all the conflicting code.
I do agree with bots for PUBG, but I feel like it would be hard to mimic real players. real players make mistakes, bots make mistakes on purpose. How do you let some bots die because of the circle? how much of a priority is getting kills and getting loot? how do you prevent bots from hardcore camping? how far can a bot see (as in, how many pixels does a player need to be in order to "see" him, being hidden in bushes or guilli suits are a major component in PUBG)?
_"Bots are hard to program and most of the player would hate to play agaist it"_
Which is why game developers don't really include them any longer. However, if they wouldn't have to spend resources to actually develop the AI, they would be more inclined to add them in.
_"they clearly cheat if programmers made a script"_
I have never heard of any sort of bot in a shooter game that cheats.
_"They became a niche for who want simply have fun."_
Considering games are in general for people who want to have fun, is that such a small niche?
_"Popular games could not expose their code"_
No one said anything about exposing code. The developers would be plugging in the open source AI into their games, not each individual player. And that is not an issue, considering how many games are built on Unreal Engine, which has publicly available source code.
_"Each game has different objectives, tactics, gameplay elements, mechanics and creating an AI that does everything very well for every game is near impossible."_
Such an open source platform would have to implement the basic tools. Stuff like pathfinding, objective management, etc. You would just tell the AI engine what it sees and what it needs to do, and it would go do it. Yes, it's more technical than that, but it wouldn't have to go down to the level of individual game customisation.
_"How do you let some bots die because of the circle? how much of a priority is getting kills and getting loot? how do you prevent bots from hardcore camping? how far can a bot see"_
Well, data mining. You could actually take those questions, record games with real humans (in parametric format, not video), and answer the questions. How often do real players get caught outside the field? How close does another player have to be for someone to stop running from the field and shoot instead?
_"expert css bots are basically aimbotting"_
I wouldn't consider that cheating. If you're that good that you can aim incredibly fast, you are acting inside the confines of the game.
The other two examples... yeah, that could be considered cheating. Hey, i only said *I* never heard of it.
Bots are the greatest thing to happen to multiplayer gaming.
You just single handedly convinced me to sneak bots into my game. I forgot the feeling of having massive bot battles with friends in mount and blade and absolutely how much fun we had in it. How many hours were wasted on Cod zombies as a teen. Bots are underrated and honestly a factor I missed when designing my game.
I've never really liked competitive games, I appreciate cooperation in games way more. That's why I've always liked games with bots. I'm glad I have found people like me :)
I have to say I recently played halo 3 with some friends but there was only 4 of us. If there was some bots to make it 8 or even 16 players would have been way more fun.thats prob why people like the og swbf2 I spent many a long hour replaying the campaigns on both the first and second and even more playing a friend or to. I the end your right it makes the game last so much longer but as u said people want you to buy the latest and greatest game so sadly bots will probably be dying even though they would be better than ever now. :(