Nvidia removed GPP! This video no longer applies.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2018
- 4th of May, 2018, Nvidia cancelled GPP, which is what this video originally talked about: blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/05...
...but I'll keep this video up, for historical significance.
Nvidia are at it again with something else that, although probably legal, and although just 'business', is somewhat dickish. And I think is worth knowing.
HARDOCP Article - www.hardocp.com/article/2018/...
See my original video here: • Nvidia, stop being a DICK
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Thanks for the support on the GPP issue! Good work. Many thanks.
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Sequel nobody expected but everyone wanted
*Sequel everyone expected but nobody wanted.
Not saying I didn't want the 2kliksphilip video I'm just saying this is news nobody wanted to hear but Nvidia being scummy isn't too surprising.
i've expected it
Same
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Why are you on the top of every comment section ever?
the other way around
incredibly, nvidia is getting even more shady than intel
These are the beginnings of monopolization.
Except monopolies are illegal.
monopolies may be illegal... but who's going to stop them? I don't see anyone stepping in and saying this has to stop.
Monopolies usually are beneficial for society, just look at Google or Microsoft, read Zero to One.
Yea and Facebook too? (do you read the news?)
Monopolies are not good - but for the company itself. I would like to se more competition on the market
Microsoft ??? Are you kidding me ? Windows 10 sending all your data to some server they can do whatever they want to ? Yea I know some of you might say I don't have to use them but in reality that is like owning a car and then get told that you don't need to drive on the roads, you don't have to use them.
I could use Linux ofcourse but the norm in companies, schools, organisations and society is Windows so the decent applications and games are mostly only written for that... (a catch-22 thing)
Then if a company has a monopoly it could set whatever price tag it likes, it's your choice if you whish to buy! if not then go to the competitor.
+Hasse Andersson How many games are compatible with LInux?
So nvidia is like Mafia selling protecting service.
4K super similar
It’s a nice business you got here, would be a shame if we stopped supplying you the product if you didn’t do what we want...
Dave Sterling we’re going to give you a deal you cannot refuse
Its *totally* voluntary, trust me
Nvidia: Where's my money kid?
Manufacturers: Give me time!!!!
Great video Philip, the more we can inform gamers about this issue the better! Again nice work!
Hardware Unboxed I wish more TH-camrs bring light to this topic
Mainstream youtube personalities.
-Rooster Teeth's "The Know"
-The Philip DeFranco Show
-PewDiePie?
-eSports Channels?
The idea is to pitch them what we know, and to make it clear that due to pressure from nVidia we can't validate this with complete certainty. Since all involved parties are staying abnormally quiet about it.
Hardware Unboxed, I really loved your approach towards GPP. I wish more techtubers did the same. Most are afraid. Did Jayz2cents, a massive nvidia rant guy (though he loves the products) ever mention this?
Pedro Soares, how many of so called hardware justice warriors refused to report Ryzen flaws because it would hurt their religion aka AMD Worshiping?
Certainly great, i didn't know much about this program, but i am certainly aggravated at the thought of an even less competitive market.
"No no, you misunderstand! We're not _extorting_ your business. Nobody is forcing you to pay us. You can opt out of our 'protection services' at any time you wish to do so. We're just saying that without our protection.. undesirable things *might* happen to your store. And that would be a damn shame now, wouldn't it?"
Very mafia like
use wise guys
Spoken like a true bad guy
Man Ngreedia sunk very low
"It's just business" is the weirdest excuse. How does a profit motive make morally questionable acts _less_ questionable? "Yeah, they're being dicks, but they're being dicks because they want more money, so that's all right."
I blame cold war propaganda and the rise of neoliberalism.
Abandoning all your principles to own the commies 😎
"They're being dicks but they're SUPPOSE to be dicks. That's what dicks do. Be dicks. Are you stupid or something? Duh."
It's called capitalism, granted it wasn't this bad, but this is late stage capitalism.
The more money you have, the more you get, it's the pattern, with a few exceptions where powerful corporations crumble (cough cough interplay).
In some cases, corporations fail upwards, something that's bullshit for happening.
this sucks.. without amd as competition, graphics card progression competition will drop to.. apple levels..
EnderCrypt we'll all be crawling on the ground with our pockets inside out, begging for an MB of ram more. Jokes aside, this is gonna fuck up the market if it isn't boycotted by most
EnderCrypt
😮
Frank Williams nah, I think something like the European Union ruling it anticompetetive is what's needed
EnderCrypt get a 5 K monitor with a Vega 56.
They already slowed down, we're still seeing the same chips and almost same performance levels. if AMD was competitive and VEGA was what it was supposed to be and launched on time, We would be already seeing Volta consumer cards.
Since when EA start making graphic cards?
Not sure, you even have to pay 450$ for a card and they won't even allow factory overclocks! Worst DLC ever.
selling graphic cards, driver not included because it's $49 DLC
You know that'll become a thing when it's monopolized.
You know.
I think you're right.
lol Intel's x299 already has DLC with its raid thing and there was a time where Intel offered a "scratch card" to unlock hyper threading and some cache on Pentium (turning into an i3 basically)
The EA of graphics cards.
Yeah my next gpu upgrade is gonna be amd. Just can't support this. Not to mention I feel that amd's gpu program is almost to par with Nvidia GeForce experience
I dont agree, I believe it's just economic basics and they are doing as they should for themselves, and it definitely seems unfair but it really is Look at Google doing this exact thing to Google right now any Nvidia will just become the monopoly for graphics cards and i dont think there is a problem with that
[KSH] it's the fact they're brand-whoring themselves like EA, Adidas, Apple, etc. The main point is that GPP is more of a racket, which will cause computer manufacturing genocide because there will be NO competition for nvidia, period.
It's no different than pepsi winning the entire cola war after "their" partnership rule passed. Who's left to compete with them? Coca-cola, and Dr.PepperSnapple group are out because they both went defunct due to them obviously not being a part of Pepsi's franchise.
konami too
I'm Calling it that because Both companies are scummy as fuck and want as much money as possible, no matter how they get it - resulting in situations like these. EA Fanboy
In short, to quote Lazy Game Reviews.
"Why have most of the money, when you can have ALL of the money?"
I don't understand why people develop such a fanboyish love of a GPU company
In the most part this is good more competition means more new ideas, products, games you name it.
I just buy the most bang for buck pc component at the time when I build/upgrade.
Fanboyism is a natural part of the human's tribal instinct. The belief that one should become a part of a community that they like, it's why sports fans live and breathe their favorite team. Why they'll (probably) even get into fist fights over them, or in some cases even *cause actual riots* even if their team won. Fanboyism is normal, but it's important for people to gain a sense of perspective and not let their love of a brand or team cloud their judgment.
some people, like pro gamers, need the high end features and cant go to AMD, but even before phillip i have supported AMD. alone because they develope in open-source, wich is important for development and is anti-monopolic
Because it's hard coded into the brain.
Humans in the past would die if they didn't belong, as deep as they could possibly get, in a huge tribe. Which would have otherwise ensured them protection and mating opportunities to further spread their tribalistic genes.
Why innovate when you can just stunt the competition?
The competition stunted itself.
I like how you think.
I still use my 7970s from AMD. They are better than 680s.
Even if AMD sucks, Callums point still holds. Nvidia is being a dick, and that's bad news for consumers.
How is forming alliances with your business partners being a dick? Video board manufacturers are consumers too, you know?
I love that what they're doing is technically illegal, and they aren't going to get caught even though everyone knows. What a world we live in! :D
AMD is the underdog (CPU, GPU) that's why I supported them and still support them, if there's no AMD to compete against IntelNvidia, we as costumers will lose a lot of money, innovation and services.
Think about it.
Yeah Nvidia would be playing the tick-tock move, 10% per generation and charging 3000$ for a 1080
I agree entirely. This should be illegal.
It is. Monopolies were made illegal in the early 20th century. (in the USA, which is where both NVidia and AMD are located.)
Moldy Nvidia is a monopoly
Xylene Cobalt A Monopoly doesn't mean it's literally the only company, but, like Philip says, has so much power it's effectively the same.
And while the "Monopoly" itself isn't always illegal, but it's abusing it which is.
I don't think you understand. nVidia is _very clearly_ trying to harm AMD's market share and could very well lead to a monopoly if GPU production doesn't change from the horrible point it is right now.
Literally the only comment that stated that was only 1 person, and they're basically right. Please go take a look at where GPUs are standing and tell me that nVidia isn't effectively a monopoly at this point.
They're not just hurting the free market, they're effectively trying to legally loophole themselves out of making it look like they're not trying to actively destroy every other competitor in order to drive up prices to a ridiculous amount and never release anything new. They know once they pull this off and people that are as equally money hungry and have no choice but to support them on this, they'll be a monopoly but they won't be able to be pinned for it because of all their shitty loop-hole abusing. They say they're a monopoly, because they effectively are a synonym of monopoly.
I feel like full AMD is the choice for me now.
That is if the prices get normal.
Intel is fine. They are not dickheads like nvidia.
I have a R7 265 + FX 4100. I was going to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 1600X + GTX 1060... now Ryzen 7 + AMD cards.
FUCK NVIDIA!
Felipe03000: Intel is fine? Wait a minute, did you do some research? Intel is maybe even worse than nvidia. Just go check the bribes they have been paying or whatever, and generally what they have done in the past.
Felipe03000 Intel is even worse than nvidia wtf are you talking about? When intel hits the gpu market with a good architecture they will try to get 80% market share in 6 years with every shady move they can
Felipe03000 Intel is not fine... Their tie inns with Microsoft got called out and they got sued, along with many other things
Exactly, it's strictly business! If nVIDIA kicks AMD out of business, then they will no longer be the leading GPU company, they will be the ONLY GPU company.
And that is exactly what they want. Not because they will sell more cards that way, but because they can spend less money on their R&D, improve less while selling for higher prices.
The only people who would benefit from this are the shareholders of nVIDIA. Not the gamers
Even if there is just one company they still have to release better products. Otherwise what incentive would consumers have to upgrade and buy more?
I remember when buying stuff in 7eleven was super costly but was super convenient here in my country. But when Familymart came in, offered basically the same stuff for even slightly less, it was actually good because they both ended up trying to undercut each other (atleast thats what happened here in my country).
When I look at this... I would not be surprised if the 1050 ti costs as much as it is now compared to its MSRP, not because of miners, but because of having no competition whatsoever.
Crap on convenience store shelves is more equivalent than offerings from different graphics card producers though. So your comparison is apples and oranges. AMD would have to be practically giving their hardware away to make it worthwhile for me to experiment with it. While with Nvidia I know what is worth me buying. They're totally different kettles of fish.
That's what I've heard. I've never seen one, or know if they still do today though.
The GPU in a CPU is not a graphics card. There's no card. A "card" is a plug in circuit board. CPUs do not qualify as such. I wouldn't even call old Slot 1CPUs cards. Though they had all the attributes associated with being a card. FR-4 board, edge card connection, etc. AMD has a term for theirs, but if Intel does I am not presently aware of it. AMD calls theirs an, "APU", or an Accelerated Processing Unit. "Graphics card" itself is an improper term too. Technically they are referred to as, "Graphics adapters". But that term is clumsy and it is rarely used. It is still semantically more correct than "Graphics card" is though. Although why a graphics card is a graphics adapter has fundamentally changed over the course of time. I'm not as up on my XT tech as I could be. It is all pretty much worthless to know in this day and age. There is a fundamental difference between text and graphical output though. There was a time when that difference was expressed in physical hardware too. When text terminals could not output pixel graphics at all. Not without a "Graphics adapter" at any rate.
AMD technology is open source Nvidia is closed source and AMD asked nvidia many times to make their software open source and they declined every time. Also Nvidia works with game companies to “help” their game development but what they really do is add in features that only nvidia cards can handle so when an AMD user plays the game they have horrible FPS but the Nvidia user wont. trust me im not joking. Nvidia has always been really shady towards AMD.
Nvidia licenses technology. So it is not "their" software. GFYS
A company has to do what it gotta do to get the best profit and money, even if its shady.
One way to stay on top is to kick them when they're down.
A compay doesn't have to be this greedy at all.
So I gotta do what I gotta do to get the best profit? You know I hear murder can be profitable. Even if it's shady.
Seems like every company is trying to become EA
Nah NVIDIA & Intel are way worse!
yeah man a gaming company is faar worse than the guys who is trying to finish the competetion. Fuck ea for making dlc's. Ignore the fact that ea makes good games and not trying to finish competetion. If ea makes unplayable games with lots of dlc's, you simple won't buy them. If nvidia finish the competetion and you are not rich, you will not be able to play games. Same thing huh
Crying potatoes Im sorry but i think you didnt got the message!
It's almost as if being ethical isn't rewarded by capitalism.
Barış Köklü Idk man, EA is pretty horrible, they bought up LOTS of good game studios and ran them to the ground! This is basically the same thing actually. Fuck EA and fuck Intel & NVIDIA for doing this shit and not to mention Gameworks that conveniently only works well on NVIDIA GPUS and doesn’t allow AMD to optimize it for their GPUS either.
and to the idiots defending nvidia they are already abusing the system right now they jacked up the prices of next gen consumer cards .
Devil Gale evidently the next gen cards are going to perform much better from what I hear. Hopefully they will be reasonable.
"next gen cards are going to perform much better" no shit sherlock
Jin Im saying the jump in performance will be much larger compared from the 900 to 1000 series.
"next gen" is a lie wait till real time ray tracing hits
If you don’t understand what Philip is saying, he’s basically saying nvidia is just monopolizing the industry
elon musk should make graphic cards
We would have 100k, 4k is for noobs.
Subi_fan, ... what?
yeah because elon is not the USA
what do you want him to do tho?
the cards would be government funded anyway and taxpayers would be forced to pay to have them produced and they would either never come out or just be regular consumer cards with a shiny sticker
Not all heroes wear capes. Thanks Philip!
this HAS to be breaking some kind of law, jesus christ
nobody knows what the documents say, since nobody is sharing anything...
it's a no brainer that it's illegal, just like what intel did back in the day and they got fined hard for it...
Thunder Draws not really hard at all,a few billions is nothing when they did damage in hundreds
Nvidia are now going for monopoly moves which is illegal isn't? good cards but total ass move for AMD. Yeah i think AMD should sue them for going for monopoly moves. Well, its time to move to AM-
*sees AMD card prices *
Well nevermind.
Well, being serious, it is not a monopoly move, because you are not obliged to do so. Words are very important from a legal point of view.. And that sucks
Lol well said.
AMD is still in a almost 11 year suing process against intel.. for monopoly(and AMD is winning it.. intel is extending it).. same would happen to nvidia.. never ending legal battle..
It’s not a monopoly since Nvidia is diversified into other sectors now
Sad OrAs that doesnt exempt nvidia from monopoly. Monopoly is having a too big, almost 100% market share in something, doesn't matter if you also make other product's in other markets.
And that's why I support AMD and my last 2 cards have been AMD cards. Screw you Nvidia!
Instead of solely focusing on improving their tech, Nvidia loves to pay the judges, so AMD is always at a disadvantage. Example :Vulkan, AMD supported API is open source, and AMD cards outperform the Nvidia ones. But Nvidia doesn't want a level playing field, so they get their own shit(GameWorks, PhyX, etc) which is closed off to AMD.
For me, a good ethical policy of a company is worth more than some fps numbers on a comparison graph
And FreeSync. Nvidia got G-sync and every monitor that has it is overpriced
Hopefully now the OEMs will prefer producing AMDs over Nvidias.
It'll be the second biggest shot in the foot in the history of GPUs.
First one being the 3DFX fiasco
No they won't, Brejela, lol. 90% sales of their GPU's comes from Nvidia, even with GPP they were scared as shit and even though not one company was on board with the idea, they still handed their IP to Nvidia on a silver plate - cause they don't have a choice.
Not even close to 90%
www.videocardbenchmark.net/30dayshare.html
Brooo007MC
It uses data from API solutions, it's not accurate as result, plus you get sales of all computing solutions and not gamer releated ones in which GPP is interested in. If you look only at GPU market, in which manufacturers are invested in, Nvidia is 70% in sales. But if you throw out miners that don't have brand loyalty and buy things that are cheaper it's closer to 90%. Why you ask, because steam hardware survey shows that even with API's on board Nvidia is 85% of GPU's gamers use. You throw API's that irrelevant for manufacturers and get your 90% marketshare. Deal with it. store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
you should upload this on pornhub. the community is much more cleaner
ikr pornhub comments are fucking chill no one is being a dick
WaterMelon Until I get along...
This is so sad because it's true
Giant green guy fucks millions of gamers at once
Porn is nasty I don't get why people are so obsessed over it.
Everyone ready for the rebranded Pascal GPUS? Yeah, so am I
People are too stupid to realise that competition between companies is always good for the consumer
yes
As long as it is true competition, yes it is. Example, TV providers will actively stay out of each others areas. Technically they compete. They are companies offering the same service, but this kind of competition doesn't promote innovation. There is no reason to improve your company because your consumers have few other options that offer a service of a equivalent quality.
An argument for a different topic, doesn’t really apply here
Look how amd forced intel off of 4 cores we have had 4 cores for 10 years that is BS.
Darkpharoh thats so freaking true intel wouldnt move their ass an inch if amd didnt make some trouble for them
Poor AMD :(
deserved treatment ( ° ͜ʖ °)
(☭ ͜ʖ ☭)
ty
tanscoobydoo03 ;(
Chances are even Ryzen motherboards may not be branded MSI Gaming or Gigabyte B Auros...etc since Nvidia is laying claim to those.
56 Nvidia employees disliked this.
R.I.P GPP, you'll never be missed.
yeah same
"You will NOT be missed." -Soldier, TF2
why would people defend this. As a consumer this is trash.
People who say "Nvidia has a right to make money" have completely misunderstood the actual problem here. Nobody is saying NVidia doesn't have the right to compete within the market place and turn a profit. We are saying Nvidia doesnt have the right to stop everyone else doing that. I can easily say "AMD Has the right to make money", and as long as Nvidia is directly preventing that through shady practices, their argument is flawed by definition.
I think they want their favourite brand to make money, and to hell with everyone else. In their mind, legitimate competition against their favorite brand has less right to exist than their brand.
It's worse than Apple fanboys. At least Apple fanboys think Microsoft has a right to exist, even if they hate them.
This is not the worst bullshit Nvidia has pulled. They outright refuse to help out in any capacity with open source software and driver support and would rather keep everything proprietary, leaving everyone completely reliant on them for their drivers. This gives them extreme power to do things like artificially slow down graphics cards through firmware, and leave us powerless to do anything about it. I doubt they have actually done this, but their graphics drivers are already extremely large behemoths that like to eat up any PC they are installed on, so I wouldn't put it past them to directly take control like that. FreeSync is just as good as G-Sync, yet G-Sync remains expensive and horrible simply because NVidia has a closed market on it and FreeSync is open and easily accessible. Technology is already stagnating under NVidia, and we are all worse off.
As a result, personally, I am considering never buying an Nvidia card again. Sure, it means I will have to spend more money to get an equally powerful card, but I consider it an investment in the future. If spending a bit more now helps to keep graphics cards cheaper 5 years from now, it's worth it. If it means I have alternatives when it comes to drivers for my own graphics card, it's worth it.
I guess this is more evidence for my theory that gamers are the worst consumers that exist. We are willing and even eager to be fucked over. First they did it with preorders, then with DLC, then lootboxes, and now with stuff like this. Every resistance or backlash against shady practices in gaming is a joke. Remember the famous MW2 boycott, that showed everyone playing the game? We are so obsessed with shiny things and brand new overhyped games and products that we don't have the self control to say no when they step over the line. Gamers are the worst thing to happen to gaming from a consumer rights standpoint.
Paul T that's very true. Gamers must be the weakest consumers out there..
Funnily enough, this reminds me of the whole Riot Games vs Valve. I play both Dota2 and LoL and one of the most mind-boggling things I could not understand when I first started in LoL was how many quality of life features they were lacking. It took them an insane number of years to add replays, voice chat, and a practice mode. Their client was buggy and lacked gameplay information, making you rely on third-party websites to learn the game. Even so, the fans gobbled up every new skin release as if nothing was wrong.
Riot could literally release a piece of shit and their fans would think it's a bar of gold. Makes no. Fucking. Sense.
I don't even think it's about self-control at this point. I just think a lot of people don't know any better and don't care.
ive felt like gamers were the biggest group of dumbasses since like 2012/13 tbh. Most of them are unaware or don't care, console users generally are casual and don't think of issues like this so they end up throwing money at companies who make the shiniest looking trash.
@sadface
warthunder had a similar development cycle. I almost never play it anymore because they just keep adding new broken shit and don't fix or refine current mechanics that desperately needed it
"We are saying Nvidia doesnt have the right to stop everyone else doing that"
That's not what this is though. They're being dicks , sure. But that's not what this is.
Putaque Pariu how is this not deliberately trying to force their competition out of the marketplace through shady practices?
EDIT: Thanks for all the likes!
smk reasonable scenario
AMD will never go bankrupt. They've already gotten Sony and Microsoft in the bag for next generation consoles and in the forseeable future as long as x86 is the dominant platform. What may happen is AMD may choose to focus their efforts away from PC gaming (who needs to write pesky drivers and tools when Sony and Microsoft will be happy to do that for you for free on their respective platforms) and just focus on semi-custom designs for their partners. Meanwhile only ones who lose are PC gamers and NVIDIA. If AMD leaves the PC graphics market, there's nothing to stop Intel (and AMD by extension) from severely hampering their performance by limiting PCIe bandwidth (only cards that need 8x+ are graphics cards) and working with AMD to outright eliminate the PCIe standard because AMD won't be holding them back (because AMD would no longer need PCIe to put their cards in a high end system). Intel is no longer bound to support PCIe (restrictions end this year) and if AMD hops on board all PC gamers will lose. Penny wise pound foolish here for NVIDIA.
or just leave gpus, ryzen works great right now
LOL AMD is backed by CHINA.
+wakannnai1
AMD can NOT survive on consoles alone, they were losing money in 2014-2016 when they did NOT have a new CPU architecture and as per usual almost nobody bought their GPUs, no matter how good they are.
i thought i was going to see the old video but im glad there is a new one
Thanks for making a video about this. Brings attention to more people
Sigh... Nvidia keeps showing they only care about money, rather than contributing to a sustainable market for everybody.
You're an awesome content creator Philip. Love your content.
Thanks for the luck on the job interview!
I was laughing out loud at you wanting to mute them all individually, great video mate
If they continue than graphics card prices will skyrocket and the technology being created will be much worse.... Cmon AMD! You got this!
*U N Z I P S*
*proceeds to f"?! consumers*
STOP DADDY,NO MORE!
fuck this shit
I'm out
I'm fucking out
Sir, please play with your Nvidia somewhere else.
You're wrong about one thing - AMD releasing a superior GPU won't change shit. I assume that you've been around tech long enough to remember HD 5000 series and Geforce 400 series. Those were the competing generations from the 2 companies.
On one side, you had GTX 460, 470 and 480. A slog, an embodiment of mediocrity and a nuclear furnace respectively. Terrible performance in DX11, drawing way too much power, and being severely overpriced. Geforce 500 fixed some of those issues but not completely. And both sold fucking gangbusters.
On the other side, you had HD 5000 series, from 5670 on the entry level gaming GPU to 5970, a stupidly fast high end GPU. They were more efficient, cheaper, faster and didn't get as hot as the competition's offerings. Yet, for some *FUCKING* reason, it sold LESS than what nVidia had, and what everyone would argue is the worst generation of GPUs, possibly ever.
So no, AMD making a better GPU won't change shit. Because fanboys will see that nVidia gets 3/4 of a frame more in CSGO and say "OOOH AMD GOT REKKKKKT LULZ" or whatever.
well the 4xxx/5XXX where vs rebrand 3 called the geforce 2XX for along time before fermi came out .Toss in Nv had bumpgate going strong with gpu dying left and right and they still sold like hot cakes.Nv made the new upgraded 260GTX to compete vs radeon 5770 .285 to tackle the 5870 and 295gtx to go vs 5970.
The Vega 64 is superior to anything Nvidia has. it's just that games in Directx11 are coded to run better on Nvidia cards.
It's a sad truth
About coded run for NVIDIA better, I looked into the DX features which NVIDIA have for their own, and they are insane, I have games who had Graphical errors because they used a NVIDIA feature on my AMD which my card just didn't render, it took months until the game developer fixed it. AMD does have lot of features too but NVIDIAs are mostly used.
I disagree, look at the market for cpus after ryzen
This is why i use Intel Integrated HD Graphics.
Nairas - CSGO 720p 20fps is godlike ayy?
Play a man's game like original Doom. My Intel HD Graphics runs it just fine. Even with the Brutal Doom mod. Rip and tear!
Intel HD is not nothing. I do find it hard to compare it to other hardware though. Because it does seem largely ignored. People sure treat Intel integrated graphics like it is nothing. Intel is actually pretty good at video playback. They seem to make more effort with that than 3D. I also recently found out that my particular HD graphics does not support Vulkan. Though later models do. I think series 6 and up has Vulkan support? I have 4th gen Haswell. I'm still going to get a graphics card for this system someday. Hopefully prices will fall. My Quake doesn't dual screen right. It mirrors, it doesn't span. I don't know how to fix that either, if I even can? My desktop spans though. So I don't know what's up with that. There's not much info on the net about using Intel graphics.
My i3 530 HD video performs better than my GT 520 does. On die graphics has the potential to out perform adapter boards by quite a bit too. Considering how much faster you can have data lanes to the CPU on die than on board.
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could you do part 3 with the new nvidia rtx news?
What amazes me is how people in 2018 still don't know AMD makes GPUs.
At this rate Nvidia will start WW3
Your honest, straightforward criticism moved me sir - Subscribed.
I really like that You are always very honest. Great Video.
Welp, that's.. Really fucked up...
The sequel everybody expected and everybody wanted. I've been expecting this, Philip.
This goes to show Nvidia has a history of predatory behavior. These days they're announcing unreasonable MSRPs for their hardware. The 3060 and 50 recieved high praises from reviewers while competing AMD cards got bombed. But when cards hit the shelves, the AMD products are the only ones with reasonable prices.
I've long been an AMD user. They're definitely behind as of late, but with this GPP nonsense, I'm going to forgo the 1080ti I planned on purchasing, as well as staying away from Nvidia until they actually support fair competition. Despite AMD being a ways behind, I would suggest others do the same. At the very least, we as consumers need to hold their feet to the fire. Boycott Nvidia. At least for the time being.
Support AMD, untill they are on top, then support Nvidia, untill they are on top again. It's a vicious cycle -.-'
Stefan Randa Except AMD hasn't been on top yet
AMD and ATi have never been such a huge dicks.
AMD hasn't been on top for over a decade. Seems we'll be supporting AMD indefinitely.
Константин Because they haven't been on top yet, but if they were I Nvidia's place they would be dicks too
They can't afford to be with how shit their GPUs and CPUs are. The only thing they have going for them is being the "good guy" underdog.
Never thought there would be a sequel
RepsUp100 dude you are fucking everywhere on every video on yt?!?!?!
Hey Philip, I think it might be time for another one of these after what has recently been happening.
the same happened with calculators for higher math, texas industries made universities use it and soon there was no other brand on the market. With the result prices became absurd.
"Just business" well if you have that mind set then you should have no problem with the internet providers removing net neutrality because it's just business
Lillabofinken I can't understand why people defend these. As "normal persons" we should screw them for everything unsocial unless we want get abused in the next time. We can only help our self when we prevent them doing things.
Smiley but we have also always had atleast 2 graphics card producers ... for now. If AMD goes down due to stuff like this .. well
Smiley
There was always competition and now nvidia is trying to remove all competition.
If there is competition then the companies will try to make the best product for as cheap price as possible but if there is no competition then there will be one company selling a kind of okay product for 10 times the price it would be if there had been competition
Smiley
I wasn't comparing nvidia to net neutrality I was just showing how the it's just business mindset is flawed.
Smiley they only took away the stuff that was added under the obama administration in 2015, not the whole thing. Also it's been a few months since net neutrality went away and none of the propaganda on reddit was true big surprise.
I recall Nintendo doing something like this back in the NES and SNES days where they made developers sign exclusivity contracts.
Now I'm aware. Thanks Philip. You are really brave!
Which video from kliksphilip is it at 3:05? I've been looking for it for a bit but can't seem to remember the title. Anyone know?
Thanks! That one is pure comedy gold!
doesn't this go against the us antitrust law as nvidia is located in the us?
could someone confirm if it's breaking it or not?
Antitrust laws go into effect when two or more corporations attempt to avoid competition by not competing, allowing them to drive up prices. This is different, as Nvidia is attempting to kill AMD with shady tactics, rather than avoid competition.
Yes of course but its hard to prove and if someone goes ahead with that they may just wanna close there business instead...^^
Andy [Xvixx] yes, it does
You guys don't think. You act like Nvidia and other companies didn't already make sure they weren't breaking any laws. They're not run by idiots.
glad you're bringing this to light, this is a move that's pretty scummy.
what person should we buy graphics cards and processors etc from im very confused as someone whos only been in the pc community for 1 year
Good analysing work.
damnst thou nVIdith
Dost thou enjoyeth musical pieces of the jazz genre?
Behold, an intellectual!!
Shieftain corrwrongerection
Doesn't this go against some monopoly laws?
Fuck yes it does.
nope
Philip, are u ever going to make more Going Low in CS ? I fucking loved those.
good video thank you keep on doing more of these
Nvidia's card are great because of competition. Competition breeds improvement, without Amd cards Nvidia progress with be very small and they will bump up prices. Besides the companies we get fucked over, badly.
Finiesta do you realize the GTX 1080 is a midrange card? Yeah I'm serious here, the die size is of a midrange card. Which means Nvidia isn't giving us their best. Nvidia is so far ahead that it can actually release a midrange card as a high end. They are not giving us their best since the 900 series, those were really good efforts.
I prefer to support AMD because they don't lock driver updates behind logins (GeForce experience sucks) and a lot of their fancy software tech (like their version of Gameworks) is open source and they don't force developers into exclusivity agreements before they're allowed to use them.
I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of power to save a little money (vs NVIDIA equivalent) and live more in line with my ethics, and I hope more gamers will start supporting companies that are using business practices that are less negative for both consumers and developers, especially when AMD releases a high end gaming card.
Here's hoping that AMD doesn't try to compete with NVIDIA by becoming NVIDIA.
Nvidia doesn't lock their drivers. you can download it from their webiste without any login. Proof: I'm a gtx 1070 owner.
Losgann Ryan you can get them through the website, no sign in
StatTrak Fedora but you don't get to use gameworks if you do that... It's a really convenient program for some, and amd's alternative is just better from a user standpoint.
As far as I know, Gameworks is built into the game that supports it.
I don't recall ever being asked to login to use any of the GeForce Experience features... but then again, I did create an account and logged in because they occasionally offer free keys to closed betas, which is neat.
Still, unless something has changed between the when I made an account and now, I'm pretty sure you're speaking from the perspective of an outsider looking in. Not from experience. And that's a problem when you're speaking objectively because you're probably not getting your facts straight.
Usually i really like nvidia for pushing new rendering technologies etc.
But this really is a fucking dick move. Fuck this.
Having a monopoly on graphics card will hurt the entire market.
Good video. I wish my laptop brand of choice would give more options as to which chips I can use (at least in their professional range), can't get a Ryzen or an ATI card.
Pretty sure this is illegal in the EU
Mhmm
It is. Abusing a dominant market position to reduce competition is very illegal. I can't wait for Nvidia to get a 10% fine on their turnover.
Intel was doing pretty much the same thing 10 years ago by paying out OEMs to only sell products with Intel chips. They were paying enormous sums of money, in the order of hundreds of millions, to companies like dell to only ship laptops and desktops with Intel chips. The EU didn't like this very much, they were dragged to court and fined 1.06 billion dollars for anti-competitive business practices.
The only difference here is NVIDIA isn't paying them money outright, they're hush hush hinting they'll restrict their ability to sell NVIDIA chips by pinching off their supply of the NVIDIA chips they put onto the boards they sell. Remember ASUS, Gigabyte and the like don't manufacture the GPU chip itself, they put the GPU chip manufactured by NVIDIA onto their own board. As a GPU board manufacturer you'd be insane not to sell NVIDIA cards with their current market share so they are more or less being forced to join the GPP else they will take a big hit to profitability in the same way dell relied heavily on Intel's payouts to stay afloat. NVIDIA limit the number of NVIDIA cards you can sell, so you don't get as much revenue from selling cards.
And just like Intel forcing companies to not sell AMD cpus with literal bribes, NVIDIA is forcing AMD out of the prized Aorus, ROG, etc... brands and putting them in the bargin bin by threatening companies to restrict access to NVIDIA chips which will directly impact sales and therefore lower company revenue and profits. It's a direct attack on AMD's brand image and an attempt to force AMD out of the market by strong arming companies away from selling AMD cards by abusing their market dominance.
The GPP is just as optional as Intel's payouts were. It's optional only by technicality, but by not opting in you put yourself as a business at huge risk and disadvantage to your competitors.
Just as an fyi the court case against intel and the time they eventually started paying those fines (still haven't payed it fully iirc) is so long that it doesn't matter to the company that is being punished. The gains overweight the downsides.
I bought a Vega 64.. and I like it. Nvidia are crooks and have been for a long time. Also AMD's drivers are awesome.
SirMo Don't forget to undervolt your card :)
Ordered Vega 64 Red Devil recently, and an email just came saying it was now packed and ready for shipping. Looking forward to testing it. It's probably somewhat better than my RX 460.
have a vega 64 too. It crushes my old rx580, so for sure it will destroy the rx460 :P
It is much much better than the rx460
oh yeah do undervolt it
I feel a little bad for buying a 1060 instead of a 480 at the end of december when I upgraded since I had AMD for well over 10 years before that, but it performed a little better in Overwatch which I played like a maniac and the price was about the same >.>
just think, in a few gpu gens there will be so many old Rx 400 and 500 series flooding the market and the pascal cards that they will probably be relatively easy for a budget builder in the future, i can get the light side of the mining craze
Got an NVidea "GeForce Garage" ad before this video.
as long as we buy products from nvidia, we accept what they are doing.
It pisses me off that big companies devour smaller ones. I'd like 20+ GPU/CPU manufacturers. I hate the market as it is. That goes alongside the watered down games that are being shat out these days.
You can blame consoles for shitty games.
gpu shortage existed before the mining boom tbh.. remember the pascal launch.. no cards in stock, sells the most expensive kind first before launching the 1070 later etc..
Are we talking about nvidia or organised religion
Yup, I'm getting an AMD card when they come with 7nm Vega. I'm sick of Nvidias broken ass shadowplay producing corrupted footage (even at 50 Mbit/s) and rolling out GFE updates every 5 minutes that make me restart my game to get shadowplay working again. This was one move too far. Nvidia has a great lineup of graphics cards but I'll jump to AMD if they can offer similar features, efficiency and performance.
Simon tbh relive has the same issue sometimes. Just recently they fixed an audio distortion error some users had (was one of it btw, really got fixed though, that's good)
In terms of efficiency I wouldn't set the bar too high, but performance you can have some expectations. I expect AMD to gun for Nvidia in the coming years. Just don't expect it to happen tomorrow.
Tsubajashi - Osu!, At least they are fixing shit. You should have heard me rage at the GFE 3.0 update which broke shadowplay permanently and only got fixed 2 weeks later with an update. The "red line issue" is still a thing after 4 years and they push out updates so damn often that I should basically put GeForce experience in the Autostart folder, it's ridiculous. I hope AMD catches up!
Dennis, exactly. I have a 970 and a 4k screen so I could really take a good upgrade...
Greed is transparent to wise consumers... Time for some red
Ok but when's kpp (kliks partner program)
2:57 I don't think I have ever heard Phillip curse.
That's one of the great parts of this channel, that it is "clean" in terms of language...well, except for this, which the captions don't include for some reason...
@@XaneMyers cuz he's really upset about what Nvidia's doing
Just wait for amd's surprise attack
What a nice rant about EA
:^)
Deliberate monopolizing is illegal in the USA at least, if I recall correctly. At least on paper.
*We want a competitive GPU scene!* pls
TL;DR Nvidia want's to become the "John D Rockefeller" of GPUs.
Bus except there's only 1 other major competitor.
He died recently so that's some good news.
Goddammnit Philip why did you cut away from every zooming-in image before it touched the edge of the screen. I was waiting for them to align perfectly :(
Keddiels dammit. I can't unsee it anymore
What's with the Hifiman headphone reference?
Takes a lot of balls to make a video like this... I salute you =)
Man I'm still using an AMD 7970, I haven't been able to upgrade due to the low Canadian dollar and the Graphics card shortage :(
R7 265 here :(
AND my old FX 4100 overclocked to actually hold that card.
your 7970 is a damn good card for 1080p, do you need more fps or resolution?
Even if you don't get the best performance with AMD, at least you know your hardware isn't made by god damned vampires who have every intention of fucking you over if there's money in it.
This is such an idiotic statement, you dont buy a product because they are nicer. You buy it because it works better for you, getting emotional over it is just plain stupid. No company is doing this for your best interest and they all want to make as much as they can.
Prodigy H Nvidia is constantly fucking consumers over by anti-competitive bullshit like GPP and proprietary everything. They won't use technologies like FreeSync despite being handed them on a fucking plate because of course a company with 70% market share can't afford to risk fair competition.
AMD is obviously about money too, but knowingly harming everyone to strengthen an already disproportionate hold on the market is not okay. Stop saying it is.
Lord Mortigon so what if they have proprietary software and don’t play nice with free sync? Free sync isn’t even a standard or used by people like me so it isn’t hurting me. They aren’t fucking me over because I’m satisfied with the performance I get for the price I pay. Your angry because they don’t give AMD a level playing field, it’s a business they’re both trying to maximize profits not feel bad for the competition and hold back for them to be able to catch up.
Do you guys recon the Graphics card will come to an end soon?
Great video man