brushing your teeth right before you eat basically nullifies the brushing. you want to wait at least half an hour AFTER eating to brush. when you eat, sugar eating bacteria in your mouth eat it and increase the pH in your mouth, and that softens your teeth. it takes your normal saliva production 30+ min to neutralise this, after that you can brush and your teeth are clean until your next meal or sugary drink or whatever
I just learned that in the last 3 weeks of studying nutrition. I remember as a child I often brushed my teeth after eating chocolate, so much mechanical pressure on those poor things… :(
So many good lines from this one. “Reaper goes in, stalker goes out. You can't explain that.” “It's the economy, stupid!” That slew of jokes starting at 19:40 “‘Let me see those toes...’ ‘This isn't DronelyFans!’”
Phoenix goes out, reaper comes in. You can't explain it. I love the continued random ORielly jokes that, tops, 10% of your viewers must get. F it, we'll do it live! 😂
I absolutely wanted to hit the Like button with both hands 😲 Insane match... Hero new style... I love it. Maru decisive as always. It was exhausting simply to watch... What great players! Only matched by Winter's casting.
i'm only even like, tangentially aware of starcraft, but i could watch this stuff forever i think. Your stream of consciousness commentary cracks me the fuck up. It's like i'm thrust into an unfamiliar world trying to understand what's going on in the game and my only guide is some sort of wizard
What an awesome series. As usual, the protoss wins the fight and loses the war. Thanks for supplying this awesome cast, Winter! You made my day a little bit better.
Winter I had a hard ass day. When I opened youtube saw you had posted and then read the title. That put a smile on my face, but the intro made me crack up. Love the content my dude
haven't watched the video yet, but, I saw the length of the video and thought, holy crap, some big macro games, then saw "best of 9" and thought, holy crap this is gonna be cheese after cheese. Let's see if I'm correct
I am convinced that the protoss are the morons of the starcraft universe. Colossus being one the most idiotic ideas they could have made. Also, the ptsd from all of their veterans roaming around with max shields but barely able to move because they are perpetually near death.
You know what I wouldn't be surprised to see out of the balance council eventually? A nerf to viking ground mode, bring it more in line with corruptors and phoenixes, mostly corruptors
@@malachite9071 don't blame the developers. If you look into what's going on at Google right now, it's the Ad people trying to make everything make more money at the expense of user experience. That's also why Google search is noticeably worse these last few years.
I personally should add tech trees as in campaign but with certain modifications This allows all races to choose what different units/tech upgrade for different strategies Current units in SC2 is quite limited in the number of strategies deployed
My mom died in November, Winter. My question is, how did you know how large of a hitbox my mother had? I am beginning to suspect Winter as being suspect number 1 in the death of my poor mother.
that last map fight was tough, surprised it went how it went. SPOILER hero even got some nice ruptor hits but the comp advantage was too great for terran. Max supply fights don't seem great for toss given their gateway units are considerably lower quality and terran gets more value from bigger supply fights.
@@benismann Maru got lucky with widow mine hits game 9 that's about it. It's game 8's absolute curbstomp that's the real mystery, her0 had the better army comp and Maru just ripped out his spine anyways
"He just puts a grenade to the side and invalidates Protoss architecture..." 😄 Ah I like the wording. Part of what I enjoy together with watching the games. Nice.😊
Toss takes a 4th because they apparently have to always stay ahead in bases and workers or they lose. Terran Turtles Tight on 2-3 bases, stops making bases and workers because mules OP. Terran picks off the exposed edges of the bigger area that Toss has to try like hell to cover. Terran all-ins ftw. Starting to see a pattern here, for years actually ;P
it is reallllly dumb that the best/only way to handle the first mines is to strip all workers away from the mining line, *plus* sac a worker, *and* you need to have units in place, *and* the mine player can micro to make the ordeal take like 20s
When you 'pull the boys' and pull a large number of SCV's (relative to your total count), especially so early in the game, like 6-7 minute mark, you are doing an 'all in' attack. If the attack fails, you will have lost a large number of your total SCV's, at an early point in the game, and won't have enough orbitals to drop mules, so you will be so far behind at this point in the game, you 99% won't be able recover and win from there. So it's basically a gamble all-in attack, but it pushes any fight in your favour at the same time, since the SCV's help by absorbing a large amount of enemy shots (plus they can contribute some additional attack damage), thus extending the life and fire-power of your army vs the enemies army, since even absorbing a hypothetical 10% of the enemies attacks can be the difference between winning and losing in a fight between all of your units vs all of their units (and in some fights they likely absorb much more than 10%). So this is why we see these pulls, it is a viable strategy for early game ending pushes.
should be noted we only ever see these pulls for terran vs protoss. This is because protoss can defend with less units given batteries and super battery. So even if you have higher units, and go for a game-ending attack, a protoss can still defend and win the engagement despite having less units than the attacker. It's also given the units. For example: Terran will never pull the boys vs zerg, simply due to banes and other units being able to take them out easily, the strat is not effective. Nor do you see it in terran vs terran (if they do use SCV's' in offence in TvT and TvZ, it's to repair units (to sustain tanks, cyclones, medivacs in the attack) and/or to build turrets to solidify a siege position etc. You won't see the mass lumping together and attacking like we did in this vid). The pull the boys strat, as it was done at 27:17, is only really a viable strat and seen in terran vs protoss.
@@Jez4prez1 You're right about most things here but it's simply not true that we only see these SCV pulls for Terran vs Protoss, it's quite common against Zerg too. SCVs might die to banelings, sure, but it takes 3 banes to kill an scv, and much better to absorb those with scvs than marines - and the zerg doesn't always go for banelings every game, sometimes it's roaches or lair tech. Second, "all in" =/= "has to kill opponent or die trying." Yes, most SCV pulls are all-in where they HAVE to do damage. But it's not do or die either. Most SCV pulls, if you watch the games, are about half the terran's SCVs, 15 to 20. In these cases, it's not so much a gamble as it is a requirement - if the attack can kill at least that many opponent's workers alongside some of the army or a base, it's a success! Delays the tech of the Protoss or the economy of the Zerg, and you can go back home and 'macro it out' as winter says. It's not at all a requirement for it to be a Game Ending Attack, it just 'Has to Do Damage'
her0 doesn't overestimate his army in game 9. He simply has no other choice but keeping taking risks. If he delays the offense, it's all over the moment liberators are out. Toss in general just don't have any effective tools to counter Terran late game.
@@tigera6 Tempest have much further range unless the Vikings want to get within Stalker range. Its balanced. The game is much more complex than unit counters and usually comes down to who plays the map better. herO is not experienced or confident with late game comps... the way he plays is very different from earlier Protoss like ShowTime or Neeb who in their primes were better at transitioning & controlling late game tech. herO actually did well to take 4 maps off Maru.
@@hivetech4903Well. herO did try that way before against Maru and it didnt turn out well for him. So yeah, there is a reason why he didnt want to play lategame this time.
Okay that last game was won by lucky widow mine hits but can anyone explain to me what tf happened in game 8? Her0 came in with an amazing army and even had halluc tank some shots and still got absolutely smashed, Maru wiped the field with him and made it look easy! Normally it's pretty clear what happened but that was a cinematic level bitchslap - how did he do it?
From pig's cast, a mix of maru keeping his marines alive and hero not at all times keeping his units attacking created a scenario where terran's firepower overwhelmed the protoss' army
"They have a large hitbox like your mother" that one hit me right in the guts man
winter has many ways to call her fat
Had to check the comments for that one, pure gold.
lol I spit my drink out, why Winter why?!
Sneaky one too - I was looking whether someone cought it :D
Hit me right in the hurtbox
"someone who baits with a master's degree" my god winter one liners are just too good
There are many unique strategies you can do in starcraft 2, but I've never seen mass landed Vikings getting dropped outta medivacs. Keep it up!
brushing your teeth right before you eat basically nullifies the brushing. you want to wait at least half an hour AFTER eating to brush. when you eat, sugar eating bacteria in your mouth eat it and increase the pH in your mouth, and that softens your teeth. it takes your normal saliva production 30+ min to neutralise this, after that you can brush and your teeth are clean until your next meal or sugary drink or whatever
The more you know! Neat
I believe that(brushing before eating) was said in jest.
I just learned that in the last 3 weeks of studying nutrition. I remember as a child I often brushed my teeth after eating chocolate, so much mechanical pressure on those poor things… :(
small correction: decrease the pH. The bacteria produce acid and that softens the teeth
So many good lines from this one.
“Reaper goes in, stalker goes out. You can't explain that.”
“It's the economy, stupid!”
That slew of jokes starting at 19:40
“‘Let me see those toes...’ ‘This isn't DronelyFans!’”
So so good. Winter is my favorite starcraft caster, precisely because of comments like this. :) Blessings
@@ThatClassicalGuy The part about the 4x games becoming attractive as your APM drops had me in stiches
@@CocoBuckets879 Yes agreed. It's funny because it is true of me. And I am sure others too!
don't forget "Somehow Maru returned" (reference to shitty star wars sequel which name I already forgot)
'its the economy, stupid' is bill clinton's advisor
I try not to take Winter (and Jimmy) for granted. The content just keeps coming.
I was exhausted just watching this. Truly these players are athletes for that kind of stamina.
mentally perhaps but they're as soy as us all
Oh yeah, Jimmy! This day has gotten just a little...bit..better
Phoenix goes out, reaper comes in. You can't explain it.
I love the continued random ORielly jokes that, tops, 10% of your viewers must get.
F it, we'll do it live! 😂
"Go home Sam" I am truly impressed with the sheer amount of hidden quotes/jokes you include.
I absolutely wanted to hit the Like button with both hands 😲
Insane match...
Hero new style... I love it.
Maru decisive as always.
It was exhausting simply to watch... What great players!
Only matched by Winter's casting.
That widowmine move at the start or game 1 is what makes Maru so good man..
3 firsts for me on this: 1. Best of 9, 2., reaper grenading himself out of a reaper wall, 3. Vikings in medivacs
2:00 that's a really cool play.
Vikings inside Medivacs, who would've guessed. . .
That bait with the Marine and Widow Mine was awesome.
The only bad thing about watching a feast like this is the knowledge that one of them have to lose in the end
Maru calls GG when he still have plenty army, while hero only calls GG after his army reach exactly 0
serral calls GG when he often has big army also.
When is the bunker rush?
Lol...he just a dumb youtuber 🤣bunker rush😅
i'm only even like, tangentially aware of starcraft, but i could watch this stuff forever i think. Your stream of consciousness commentary cracks me the fuck up. It's like i'm thrust into an unfamiliar world trying to understand what's going on in the game and my only guide is some sort of wizard
What an awesome series. As usual, the protoss wins the fight and loses the war. Thanks for supplying this awesome cast, Winter! You made my day a little bit better.
Winter I had a hard ass day. When I opened youtube saw you had posted and then read the title. That put a smile on my face, but the intro made me crack up. Love the content my dude
When are the probes going to be pulled? " The probes have been pulled!!!! But they are in a chokepoint! A prison of their own DESIGN!!!"
Those disruptor hits stressed ME out. I would have lost my entire army. There will be zero dodging. The level of micro is insane.
I loved the multiple levels of "if you know what I mean" jokes.
nice jacket. Winter going profesh
Your commentary is really good man, so descriptive and you capture the most important things as they play out.
Oh my god... Not even 2 minutes in and there's an insane mine play for some stalkers... This is going to be a fire series.
haven't watched the video yet, but, I saw the length of the video and thought, holy crap, some big macro games, then saw "best of 9" and thought, holy crap this is gonna be cheese after cheese. Let's see if I'm correct
For the longest time I thought this was the season 1 GSL finals LOL
Love Maru, love Winter, love sc2!
I love the 4th wall asides and the character side convos
The Zealots at the back killing more SCVs,
The boys have to be pulled again; EMPs. 🔥bars bro 1:19:28
Oh good...consistency...just like a Protoss to trip up counting past five. Lets gooooo!!!!!
1:17:17
That was... sad.
But the series were very good for a PvT.
I totally understand Hero's mindset. He feels like he has to do something big, or Maru will just stomp him. Great series.
Wow! What a series. So many Twists and Turns!!!
🥶❄️🥶
Great Cast
That widow mine tiger trap was brilliant.
Thanks for your dedication.
💪💀👍
Why he didn’t go with storm when he saw Maru going bio every time…
He kept getting overwhelmed by his bio army.
"His power was not overwhelming" 🤣
Is the first time i see maru smile so energyfully
19:54 ouch that's cold
How did all of our mothers get involved in this?
@@jackmermigas9465 Guess He is some God what knows us all :D
I am convinced that the protoss are the morons of the starcraft universe. Colossus being one the most idiotic ideas they could have made. Also, the ptsd from all of their veterans roaming around with max shields but barely able to move because they are perpetually near death.
Wow that save from the snipes to the templar.
@WinterStarcraft: OK, priorities:
Protoss could have teeth in cavities inside skullbones in the area we call a jaw. Look up "baby teeth jaw".
Just love those player intro cards in the beginning. So funny haha
Gotta love Winter's "a little bit better" speech 😊
You know what I wouldn't be surprised to see out of the balance council eventually? A nerf to viking ground mode, bring it more in line with corruptors and phoenixes, mostly corruptors
The ost at 59:05 is beautiful
1:30:57 .....my god.... the commentary. 👌
The new TH-cam layout is so bad omg
Dude I’m out of the loop it seems, mine is the same as it was. Wtf did they do?
Probably sent out to a select amount of users to trial
Oh God, not again
Useless developers trying to keep their job alive lmao. Nobody needs layout changes but them.
@@malachite9071 don't blame the developers. If you look into what's going on at Google right now, it's the Ad people trying to make everything make more money at the expense of user experience. That's also why Google search is noticeably worse these last few years.
I personally should add tech trees as in campaign but with certain modifications
This allows all races to choose what different units/tech upgrade for different strategies
Current units in SC2 is quite limited in the number of strategies deployed
ohhh yes a Maru game! insta like!
i never considered archons resist splash damage due to their girth, u learn somethin new every day
19:45 What a Great Step Up for the Coming Fan Service!!
Wow Maru the beast...
9 GAMES?!?!? That's a lot of WINTER JOKES!
Thanks for casting!!
It's Maru time. Which means it's time to click and like.
Great games! Love the back and forth. Great commentary as always. Day = made a little bit better.
Damn, I would like to see a headbutt upgrade for colossus.
If collosi are so big they can be hit by air, they should be able to hit air. Terran air units can basically ignore gateways units.
9:20 Byun as micro jackson lol
My mom died in November, Winter. My question is, how did you know how large of a hitbox my mother had?
I am beginning to suspect Winter as being suspect number 1 in the death of my poor mother.
OOOOOHHHMYYYGOOOOOODDDDD A best of 9 finals! LETS GOOO! :D
that last map fight was tough, surprised it went how it went.
SPOILER
hero even got some nice ruptor hits but the comp advantage was too great for terran. Max supply fights don't seem great for toss given their gateway units are considerably lower quality and terran gets more value from bigger supply fights.
At this point i have no idea what fights are "good" for protoss. Pros find them sometimes, but i just dont see any difference :
@@benismann Maru got lucky with widow mine hits game 9 that's about it. It's game 8's absolute curbstomp that's the real mystery, her0 had the better army comp and Maru just ripped out his spine anyways
If I had APM to spare, I would use ravens to drop turrets everywhere. Turrets forever.
Shaq at the freethrow line lol
"He had the high ground Hero, he had the high ground"
"He just puts a grenade to the side and invalidates Protoss architecture..." 😄
Ah I like the wording.
Part of what I enjoy together with watching the games. Nice.😊
25:30 "go home sam" haha
Toss takes a 4th because they apparently have to always stay ahead in bases and workers or they lose. Terran Turtles Tight on 2-3 bases, stops making bases and workers because mules OP. Terran picks off the exposed edges of the bigger area that Toss has to try like hell to cover. Terran all-ins ftw.
Starting to see a pattern here, for years actually ;P
it was 5 to 4 lol. Maru is just a fckin god
@@spinninglink Fair enough 👌
holy shit that grenade jump was epic
Great series of games, great cast, thanks Winter!
My man Maru
Did those vikings just forget they can fly under their own power?
Not finishing the kill on the shield battery in game one turned an easy collosus kill into an overall lose for that engagement for Maru :/
I dont even play this game but its fun to watch and fathem the micro managerment
it is reallllly dumb that the best/only way to handle the first mines is to strip all workers away from the mining line, *plus* sac a worker, *and* you need to have units in place, *and* the mine player can micro to make the ordeal take like 20s
Winter got bars today
Fun fact: HerO is actually spelled “G-Y-R-O”
Thanks Mr. Winter!
You should have a button to play "The Boys" theme song when someone pulls the boys
I love you winter!
Around the 27:17 mark, what were the roles of the scvs? Not too familiar with sc2 strategies, anyone know? Thanks!
Repair tanks, build bunkers and/or stop zealots from reaching the terran ranged units.
SCVs make the best support worker bc they have slightly higher HP, and once the terran invests in orbitals they can afford to lose a few~
When you 'pull the boys' and pull a large number of SCV's (relative to your total count), especially so early in the game, like 6-7 minute mark, you are doing an 'all in' attack. If the attack fails, you will have lost a large number of your total SCV's, at an early point in the game, and won't have enough orbitals to drop mules, so you will be so far behind at this point in the game, you 99% won't be able recover and win from there. So it's basically a gamble all-in attack, but it pushes any fight in your favour at the same time, since the SCV's help by absorbing a large amount of enemy shots (plus they can contribute some additional attack damage), thus extending the life and fire-power of your army vs the enemies army, since even absorbing a hypothetical 10% of the enemies attacks can be the difference between winning and losing in a fight between all of your units vs all of their units (and in some fights they likely absorb much more than 10%). So this is why we see these pulls, it is a viable strategy for early game ending pushes.
should be noted we only ever see these pulls for terran vs protoss. This is because protoss can defend with less units given batteries and super battery. So even if you have higher units, and go for a game-ending attack, a protoss can still defend and win the engagement despite having less units than the attacker. It's also given the units. For example:
Terran will never pull the boys vs zerg, simply due to banes and other units being able to take them out easily, the strat is not effective. Nor do you see it in terran vs terran (if they do use SCV's' in offence in TvT and TvZ, it's to repair units (to sustain tanks, cyclones, medivacs in the attack) and/or to build turrets to solidify a siege position etc. You won't see the mass lumping together and attacking like we did in this vid). The pull the boys strat, as it was done at 27:17, is only really a viable strat and seen in terran vs protoss.
@@Jez4prez1 You're right about most things here but it's simply not true that we only see these SCV pulls for Terran vs Protoss, it's quite common against Zerg too. SCVs might die to banelings, sure, but it takes 3 banes to kill an scv, and much better to absorb those with scvs than marines - and the zerg doesn't always go for banelings every game, sometimes it's roaches or lair tech.
Second, "all in" =/= "has to kill opponent or die trying." Yes, most SCV pulls are all-in where they HAVE to do damage. But it's not do or die either. Most SCV pulls, if you watch the games, are about half the terran's SCVs, 15 to 20. In these cases, it's not so much a gamble as it is a requirement - if the attack can kill at least that many opponent's workers alongside some of the army or a base, it's a success! Delays the tech of the Protoss or the economy of the Zerg, and you can go back home and 'macro it out' as winter says. It's not at all a requirement for it to be a Game Ending Attack, it just 'Has to Do Damage'
Ghost EMP is IMO overpowered vs toss, shouldn't remove the whole shields
when is the bunker rush, I just skim through and cant find it ?
Thank You
Om nom nom
I, for one, second this comment 🫡
Heartbreaking series
But very well play from both sides
so MMM is still good?
reynor needs a protoss card too
Protoss in high elo looks so bad, even when winning its always wonky.
23:14 My brother!
Viking cost either needs to be increased or their damage reduced
Great cast
Maru, hero, winter = my fix
her0 doesn't overestimate his army in game 9. He simply has no other choice but keeping taking risks. If he delays the offense, it's all over the moment liberators are out. Toss in general just don't have any effective tools to counter Terran late game.
It's called tempest
@@exotic2249 And Tempest get countered by Vikings as well.
@@tigera6 Tempest have much further range unless the Vikings want to get within Stalker range. Its balanced. The game is much more complex than unit counters and usually comes down to who plays the map better. herO is not experienced or confident with late game comps... the way he plays is very different from earlier Protoss like ShowTime or Neeb who in their primes were better at transitioning & controlling late game tech. herO actually did well to take 4 maps off Maru.
@@hivetech4903Well. herO did try that way before against Maru and it didnt turn out well for him. So yeah, there is a reason why he didnt want to play lategame this time.
9 games! Winner? The fans. Loser? My productivity for the past 90+ minutes...
You the goat winter! Lovin the jacket
"a large hitbox... like your mother" i laughed
Okay that last game was won by lucky widow mine hits but can anyone explain to me what tf happened in game 8?
Her0 came in with an amazing army and even had halluc tank some shots and still got absolutely smashed, Maru wiped the field with him and made it look easy! Normally it's pretty clear what happened but that was a cinematic level bitchslap - how did he do it?
From pig's cast, a mix of maru keeping his marines alive and hero not at all times keeping his units attacking created a scenario where terran's firepower overwhelmed the protoss' army
@@sage4670 Damn well done then Maru, that was a masterful victory