Love the winner interviews. I feel like getting a losers interview would be awesome as well to see what went wrong in their opinion. I could see the loser not being willing however. Asking Serral his overall thoughts on the series before the specifics could have been fun too. Awesome cast!
@@J6hn that would be perfect, but even getting a losers when there is no winners interview, because of language barrier or something, would be super great! :)eaea
consistency really is the key, Seeing Harstem completely destroy Spirit and Showtime convince me that if Harstem can play like that game all the time he can be the tip of the top players.
"Look at this vintage 87 webcam, used by an old lady that smoked with its yellow filter..." Harstem flaming is top notch. Excellent cast, excellent commentary, thanks a bunch Captain.
serral is the goat in macro, defense and if hes on hes top game, he is just the goat of modern sc2. no disrespect towards other players, many super human ones out there. but i agree with harstem, serral on his top game is the most perfect sc2 ive ever seen..
i am sure your modding is great. u need to give them a good beating once and again^^ i do not share a lot of your opinions, but you keep a very good balance, and a respectful atmosphere, which i really like!!
Watching harstem watch ads in a language neither of us understands is already worth my time, can't wait for the games to start. I could skip ahead, but why would I miss peak content?
I'm old to the party. And I agree, strange commercials. I much more love Harstem's comment "... What is this? Group sex for idiots..." When finding his own drones doing nothing for at a minimum of two minutes 😂😂😂😂
Harstem validated my point - Terrans don't react to the game. They're units are good enough that they don't have to. They just build from their plan at the timings they plan on, doesn't matter how the game plays out. Zerg has to build the right unit in every situation or lose. Occasionally can play with mutas or swarm hosts and occasionally still win. It's mostly for fun.
To be honest that's not really because Terran units are strong and more because of how Terran production works. Terran production is by far the most static and requires a large mineral and gas investment long before it pays off. With how the Terrans have to build and plan their production they get the most out of having firmer build order. All races benefit from firm build orders but Protoss and especially Zerg are much more flexible with what units they switch to building and when. Zergs do have a harder time responding to mid game timing pushes and do have to respond with the right unit but Zerg is also the only race that can immediately build the counter in mass from hatcheries. This is why it so important for other races to be aware of Zerg buildings like the spire. While they have to adapt the hardest to mid game pressure, queens basically beat anything early, they are crazy versatile, before 5:30-6:30 minutes they have the easiest time responding. The answer is basically build more queens. With all this said Terran units are crazy strong, especially units like the ghost. I really think it's not in having a proper reactions but just that Terran end game death balls are just too difficult to fight unless you're Serral. Also Zergs scouting tools honestly just suck. If you didn't scout something in the first 3 minute then you probably won't see what's happening until Terrans hit creep. Really makes you feel like you have to adapt fast because it's so hard to tell what's going on. I know this is long and I get the frustration with Terran, I've lost a ton too timing attack to what feels like unkillable marines or losing a bunch of drones to a mine drop but they actually are reacting to the game, you just don't see it until a minute or two after so it just feels like a build order. If you feel like your opponent is just ignoring what you are doing and you are struggling to respond you probably need a couple more queens, that works wonders for me. If its still a problem should check to see if your queens are in the right spots(just split them between hatcheries instead of having 10 in one spot).
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 This is too long to read the whole thing, but if it goes where I think it goes, you're just all wrong. Terran is static because the other races aren't good enough to push them into having to build counters.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd I mean that just isn't true though, terran has different options that they use against each race differently because of how the both play. What terran choses to build and how to structure the mid game is very different in both matchups. It's just built into the build in a more direct way. The big problem is that it just converges to ghosts at the end. Sorry terran units frustrate you but it either doesn't seem like you understand some of the matchups or your just upset. Just go watch some of the games Harstem casts, you can very easily see the differences.
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 I think there is a difference between tvz and tvp, but otherwise terran doesn't react to the game. I do watch harstem and he's said this many times. The terran race plays itself. You use EMP vs P and snipe vs Z and that's about the only difference.
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 You cant reason with this silver player bro. He comments on every video (Even IODIS somehow with no Self Awareness at all that those videos exist to make fun of people like himself) to whine about Terran despite having absolutely no clue how the game works in general, let alone the Terran race which he's obviously never played or the specific matchups. He was in another video talking about why do Terrans not build ghosts against Zerg in the early/mid game lmao. I've offered him free coaching before but he didn't take me up on it. He thinks that Harstem is being serious every time he makes a joke about Terran or that even if Harstem did have actual criticisms that they'd apply to silver league. He refuses to learn anything at all about the game, all he wants to do is make ridiculous complaints that don't even make sense
is the auto-ad placement back on? if you’re still looking for feedback, it’s TERRIBLE on this one. multiple ads interrupting right in the middle of each game
At 36:40, why doesn't Maru scan the neural parasite Infestors? 99% of the time when I try this move, the Terran scans and my Infestors die immediately, just -400, -600
You suprised about 12% protein joghurt? Just mix an egg in there and you got 30% protein 😂 And the 1 egg also has almost every macro nutrient, vitamin and mineral that your body needs too. Eggs are so good...
In general, I like StarCraft streams, but in every one of them, Harstem tend to focus on negative stuff where observers or players make mistakes. I don't like that at all and therefore prefer other commenters / channels. I'd love to see Harstem play better than the world's top players and then comment like this.Not fun to watch and listen to this at the same time. Keep streaming and playing your own games but please stop commenting games played by people above your grade and be negative. It ruins it for the spectator-
zerg has 3 sources of detection as well (overseer, spore crawler, fungal), additionally the overseer build time is 12 seconds which is very fast, on top of that spore crawlers can move, while missile turrets and cannons can't move terran has 4.5 sources of detection (scan, missile turret, raven, emp, interference matrix) with emp only working as detection against cloaked units but not burrowed units, and with interference matrix counting as half a source since most of the time you need a raven to detect the cloaked unit beforehand anyway
@@bigprank3964pretty sure emp works against burrowed but could be wrong Also terran has scans which are unkillable gigantic fields of vision that also detect cloak units that only costs energy Protoss also has reverlation where zerg has nothing for unkillable vision. Which is pretty big against terran
emp doesn't detect burrowed units, it only removes 100 energy on impact emp does detect cloaked units for about 7 seconds on the fastest game speed, and it removes 100 energy and 100 shields on impact against protoss units i agree with you that scans are the most risk free detection and revelation is good detection because it isn't removable@@Name-ru1kt
@@Name-ru1kt Everytime you scan, you lose 200 mineral. Zerg overseer costs 150 mineral and 50 gas. Scans are pretty much a single use overseer with limited life.
Reynor's hair looks like every woman's hair from the 80's. Stop lookin like Blanch from The Golden Girls. I absolutely lost it when you said Alf looked like a juiced up anteater.
Nope everything is unbeatable if its serral. He does everything faster and better than every other player out there 99.99 percent of the time. Even reynor losses to cannon rushes sometimes. You would have to be smoking some mad shit to even think it would work against serral though
Whichever race Serral is, that's the top race. Clem edging out Serral is due to Terran current buffs. But they've been figured out, as shown by Reynor, Solar, Dark recently beating Clem. Serral is just on another level. A few months ago, Solar was dominating ZvZ with a streak, I think beating Serral for two or three series. But Serral is back to the top. Serral will always be back to the top, and that's regardless of matchup.
I'm kinda surprised that no one in ZvZ rushes broods, maybe using corruptors to snipe a couple hatches on the way there. Maybe it just takes too long and you die on the way there? having roaches that can't shoot up as the meta means strong air surprise should be able to dominate.
going broods in pro zvz is an autoloss because vipers just abduct all of them and hydras delete them but for zerg pros who do matchfixing and need to lose every game on purpose it would be a reasonable strategy
ZvZ normally doesn't reach there. There's a "usual dance" of zerglings and then roaches. If someone doesn't follow that, the opponent will have a heads up.
I don't want to be too negative and I love Harstem and Lambo, but Lambo saying things like "Oh yeah that's move was terrible" "It's a bad decision" etc etc with a semi "I am above this shit" type of voice ... It's a bit annoying. Ofc it's his job as a caster but I don't know ... for me you still have to be respectful to the people who actually play the game at a level you can't even dream of. Even when you point out mistake, which you should, when it happen, you have to do it in a way which don't sound like "I would do so much better if it was me, this guys don't know how to play". It was how I take some of Lambo comment. But maybe it's just me. What do you guys think ? Am I totally of base here or some of you was annoyed as well ?
Well, lambo and harstem are both more than good enough (I mean, they are both good enough to take matches off of anyone in the world) to spot mistakes and thus can reasonably comment on it when casting. But pointing out a mistake from the comfort of being an observer is way easier than fixing the mistake while playing. I don't think they are thinking that they are above making those same mistakes - at least harstem is very critical about his own performance all the time, he knows how often he just loses stuff for free. To me, neither of them came off as being arrogant. Just doing normal caster commentary.
Maru is like Serrral. That joke about being behind if your equal with Maru? That applies to Maru vs Serral, just that the positions are reversed. Maru is "bullying" his opponents with his superior skills. That's also Serral's strategy. Unfortunately for Maru, Serral is much stronger than him.
These are some truly world class games. Thank you to the tournament and sponsors for bringing great sc2. Fun casts throughout :D
Love the winner interviews. I feel like getting a losers interview would be awesome as well to see what went wrong in their opinion. I could see the loser not being willing however. Asking Serral his overall thoughts on the series before the specifics could have been fun too. Awesome cast!
Oo, get them both on at the same time for a bit of smack talk. We could do with some spice.
@@J6hn that would be perfect, but even getting a losers when there is no winners interview, because of language barrier or something, would be super great! :)eaea
seRRal looking unstoppable
he is just 3-0ing everyone
consistency really is the key, Seeing Harstem completely destroy Spirit and Showtime convince me that if Harstem can play like that game all the time he can be the tip of the top players.
"Look at this vintage 87 webcam, used by an old lady that smoked with its yellow filter..." Harstem flaming is top notch. Excellent cast, excellent commentary, thanks a bunch Captain.
serral is the goat in macro, defense and if hes on hes top game, he is just the goat of modern sc2. no disrespect towards other players, many super human ones out there. but i agree with harstem, serral on his top game is the most perfect sc2 ive ever seen..
i am sure your modding is great. u need to give them a good beating once and again^^ i do not share a lot of your opinions, but you keep a very good balance, and a respectful atmosphere, which i really like!!
i followed you because of that!
I remember heromarine saying that mine drops are terrible vs zerg and you should never do them. So I was skeptical aswell.
That 2nd game by Maru was very nice. I was missing his mech. The mech King.
3:17:10 did Raynor almost take out his own base?
It never gets old hearing Harstem say “poosh” instead of the American “push” “Serral is going to poosh now!” 😂
Sometimes I forgot how good the sound track is. There was a lull in the action and commentary as the guitar was ramping up. Nice timing.
Watching harstem watch ads in a language neither of us understands is already worth my time, can't wait for the games to start.
I could skip ahead, but why would I miss peak content?
Nice work Serral! 🤘
Thanks for the yogurt coverage, appreciate it.
Wait you not using dark theme on yt???
Serral when he wins : "I felt like I could've done better."
Serral when he loses : "I felt like I played well."
Your thumbnail spoils ALL the matches
Fuck, I read your comment before watching the whole thing and couldn’t help myself checking it and now I’m spoiled
@@g0zertjuh The fact you had to go back to check (knowing what it would mean) absolves me from being responsible in this case, haha.
Most people don’t pay attention to the thumbnails I didn’t notice till you said something lol
46:20 "Theres no excuse, I'm sure Terrans can find one" Hahahahaha killed it bro. A brotoss if I ever saw one :D :D Best caster by a mile.
Love the discussion about Iceland, my island :)
Thank you for so good streaming of Tournament
I'm old to the party. And I agree, strange commercials. I much more love Harstem's comment "... What is this? Group sex for idiots..." When finding his own drones doing nothing for at a minimum of two minutes 😂😂😂😂
Harstem validated my point - Terrans don't react to the game. They're units are good enough that they don't have to. They just build from their plan at the timings they plan on, doesn't matter how the game plays out. Zerg has to build the right unit in every situation or lose. Occasionally can play with mutas or swarm hosts and occasionally still win. It's mostly for fun.
To be honest that's not really because Terran units are strong and more because of how Terran production works. Terran production is by far the most static and requires a large mineral and gas investment long before it pays off. With how the Terrans have to build and plan their production they get the most out of having firmer build order. All races benefit from firm build orders but Protoss and especially Zerg are much more flexible with what units they switch to building and when.
Zergs do have a harder time responding to mid game timing pushes and do have to respond with the right unit but Zerg is also the only race that can immediately build the counter in mass from hatcheries. This is why it so important for other races to be aware of Zerg buildings like the spire. While they have to adapt the hardest to mid game pressure, queens basically beat anything early, they are crazy versatile, before 5:30-6:30 minutes they have the easiest time responding. The answer is basically build more queens.
With all this said Terran units are crazy strong, especially units like the ghost. I really think it's not in having a proper reactions but just that Terran end game death balls are just too difficult to fight unless you're Serral. Also Zergs scouting tools honestly just suck. If you didn't scout something in the first 3 minute then you probably won't see what's happening until Terrans hit creep. Really makes you feel like you have to adapt fast because it's so hard to tell what's going on.
I know this is long and I get the frustration with Terran, I've lost a ton too timing attack to what feels like unkillable marines or losing a bunch of drones to a mine drop but they actually are reacting to the game, you just don't see it until a minute or two after so it just feels like a build order. If you feel like your opponent is just ignoring what you are doing and you are struggling to respond you probably need a couple more queens, that works wonders for me. If its still a problem should check to see if your queens are in the right spots(just split them between hatcheries instead of having 10 in one spot).
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 This is too long to read the whole thing, but if it goes where I think it goes, you're just all wrong. Terran is static because the other races aren't good enough to push them into having to build counters.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd I mean that just isn't true though, terran has different options that they use against each race differently because of how the both play. What terran choses to build and how to structure the mid game is very different in both matchups. It's just built into the build in a more direct way. The big problem is that it just converges to ghosts at the end. Sorry terran units frustrate you but it either doesn't seem like you understand some of the matchups or your just upset. Just go watch some of the games Harstem casts, you can very easily see the differences.
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 I think there is a difference between tvz and tvp, but otherwise terran doesn't react to the game. I do watch harstem and he's said this many times. The terran race plays itself. You use EMP vs P and snipe vs Z and that's about the only difference.
@@andrewcasey-wagemaker426 You cant reason with this silver player bro. He comments on every video (Even IODIS somehow with no Self Awareness at all that those videos exist to make fun of people like himself) to whine about Terran despite having absolutely no clue how the game works in general, let alone the Terran race which he's obviously never played or the specific matchups. He was in another video talking about why do Terrans not build ghosts against Zerg in the early/mid game lmao. I've offered him free coaching before but he didn't take me up on it. He thinks that Harstem is being serious every time he makes a joke about Terran or that even if Harstem did have actual criticisms that they'd apply to silver league. He refuses to learn anything at all about the game, all he wants to do is make ridiculous complaints that don't even make sense
Can Raynor switch to protoss for Final against Serral?
Omg Wintermaul
is the auto-ad placement back on? if you’re still looking for feedback, it’s TERRIBLE on this one. multiple ads interrupting right in the middle of each game
Things I learn from this. Whenever Lambo is certain of something, the opposite will happen
At 36:40, why doesn't Maru scan the neural parasite Infestors? 99% of the time when I try this move, the Terran scans and my Infestors die immediately, just -400, -600
Wc3 custom games created a whole genre of gaming with original DOTA.
If you use your phone for internet use usb tethering (cable) instead of bluetooth. Its way more stable and also a bit faster
Is your neighbour still doing renovations?
Yo be careful. Thumbnail is showing the bracket results
Maru losing, Serral winning
Maru: chilling
Serral: frustrating
You suprised about 12% protein joghurt? Just mix an egg in there and you got 30% protein 😂
And the 1 egg also has almost every macro nutrient, vitamin and mineral that your body needs too. Eggs are so good...
3 17 10, reynor was killing his own base and no1 noticed
God damnit Maru. Choking when it counts, color me surprised.
In general, I like StarCraft streams, but in every one of them, Harstem tend to focus on negative stuff where observers or players make mistakes. I don't like that at all and therefore prefer other commenters / channels. I'd love to see Harstem play better than the world's top players and then comment like this.Not fun to watch and listen to this at the same time.
Keep streaming and playing your own games but please stop commenting games played by people above your grade and be negative. It ruins it for the spectator-
terran and protoss both have 3 sources of detection, zerg have 2?
yep, but Zerg’s option of turning ANY overlord into an overseer is already so flexible and powerful, they don’t need a third detection option.
zerg has 3 sources of detection as well (overseer, spore crawler, fungal), additionally the overseer build time is 12 seconds which is very fast, on top of that spore crawlers can move, while missile turrets and cannons can't move
terran has 4.5 sources of detection (scan, missile turret, raven, emp, interference matrix) with emp only working as detection against cloaked units but not burrowed units, and with interference matrix counting as half a source since most of the time you need a raven to detect the cloaked unit beforehand anyway
@@bigprank3964pretty sure emp works against burrowed but could be wrong
Also terran has scans which are unkillable gigantic fields of vision that also detect cloak units that only costs energy
Protoss also has reverlation where zerg has nothing for unkillable vision. Which is pretty big against terran
emp doesn't detect burrowed units, it only removes 100 energy on impact
emp does detect cloaked units for about 7 seconds on the fastest game speed, and it removes 100 energy and 100 shields on impact against protoss units
i agree with you that scans are the most risk free detection and revelation is good detection because it isn't removable@@Name-ru1kt
@@Name-ru1kt Everytime you scan, you lose 200 mineral. Zerg overseer costs 150 mineral and 50 gas. Scans are pretty much a single use overseer with limited life.
Reynor's hair looks like every woman's hair from the 80's. Stop lookin like Blanch from The Golden Girls. I absolutely lost it when you said Alf looked like a juiced up anteater.
Zerg is just unbeatable in the right hands, especially in late game
Nope everything is unbeatable if its serral.
He does everything faster and better than every other player out there 99.99 percent of the time.
Even reynor losses to cannon rushes sometimes. You would have to be smoking some mad shit to even think it would work against serral though
Whichever race Serral is, that's the top race. Clem edging out Serral is due to Terran current buffs. But they've been figured out, as shown by Reynor, Solar, Dark recently beating Clem. Serral is just on another level. A few months ago, Solar was dominating ZvZ with a streak, I think beating Serral for two or three series. But Serral is back to the top. Serral will always be back to the top, and that's regardless of matchup.
@@N0noy1989 lol love how Zergs just make that assertion even tho its not proven at all unless Serral does well with another race
Terran OP, if game was balanced Serral would win with 10-0 and not only 3-0, wtf.
That's true. Serral could beat Maru three times in one game without Terran OPness.
@@N0noy1989 the best two players in the world are not Terran players. And if the T buffs were so good, why did Clem fall back off?
fuck serral is good
damn, emotional wise Maru such a beast - ice cold gaming all the time. terran GOAT there is 🔥
Humble Maru giving Serral a chance to achieve some wins.
06:00
I'm kinda surprised that no one in ZvZ rushes broods, maybe using corruptors to snipe a couple hatches on the way there. Maybe it just takes too long and you die on the way there? having roaches that can't shoot up as the meta means strong air surprise should be able to dominate.
going broods in pro zvz is an autoloss because vipers just abduct all of them and hydras delete them
but for zerg pros who do matchfixing and need to lose every game on purpose it would be a reasonable strategy
ZvZ normally doesn't reach there. There's a "usual dance" of zerglings and then roaches. If someone doesn't follow that, the opponent will have a heads up.
There is an old soO vs Serral game which demonstrates why you can't do this very well.
Serial is incredible at the game. He also map hacking. Would love to see Reynor Serral on lan
I don't want to be too negative and I love Harstem and Lambo, but Lambo saying things like "Oh yeah that's move was terrible" "It's a bad decision" etc etc with a semi "I am above this shit" type of voice ... It's a bit annoying. Ofc it's his job as a caster but I don't know ... for me you still have to be respectful to the people who actually play the game at a level you can't even dream of. Even when you point out mistake, which you should, when it happen, you have to do it in a way which don't sound like "I would do so much better if it was me, this guys don't know how to play". It was how I take some of Lambo comment. But maybe it's just me. What do you guys think ? Am I totally of base here or some of you was annoyed as well ?
Lambo is a really good and knowledgeable player, #20 in the world.
Well, lambo and harstem are both more than good enough (I mean, they are both good enough to take matches off of anyone in the world) to spot mistakes and thus can reasonably comment on it when casting.
But pointing out a mistake from the comfort of being an observer is way easier than fixing the mistake while playing. I don't think they are thinking that they are above making those same mistakes - at least harstem is very critical about his own performance all the time, he knows how often he just loses stuff for free.
To me, neither of them came off as being arrogant. Just doing normal caster commentary.
womp womp cry me a river lil bro😂
Nobody looks happy while playing sc2 😆
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Oft that maru vs serral series is so depressing as a terran.
Maru is like Serrral. That joke about being behind if your equal with Maru? That applies to Maru vs Serral, just that the positions are reversed. Maru is "bullying" his opponents with his superior skills. That's also Serral's strategy. Unfortunately for Maru, Serral is much stronger than him.