Cyberpunk 2077 - The REAL REASON Yorinobu Killed His Father
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Yorinobu Arasaka's murder of his father Saburo was a major turning point in the story of Cyberpunk 2077. It led to Jackie and V getting caught during The Heist and set up the events of the rest of the game. What, at first, seems like a rash action taken by a resentful son actually has deeper roots than we originally realize. In this video, we'll explore the real reason that Yorinobu killed Saburo.
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During the heist Yorinobu said his dad has sick and twisted schemes. It was foreshadowed from the beginning but it took me like six playthroughs to notice that detail.
Took me a couple play through to realize that Yorinobu wasn't evil. He was acting in defense against his father taking his body eventually. He got no support against it from his mother and sister or anyone else at Arasaka. Sounds like he developed a hatred for everything Arasaka which rivaled Johnny Silverhand so he tried to make the most of his connections to try to destroy Arasaka from the inside learning from Johnnys failures. Once I played the corpo ending and saw what happened it all made perfect sense why he was the way he was. Saburo basically wanted to become a Cyberpunk version of Orochimaru and keep jumping from body to body of his children and grandchildren. Saburo wants immortality at others expense which is already evil but the fact it is at the expense of family makes it next level evil. What is really messed up is that Saburo had children and raised them from infancy and was still willing to go through with it. Honestly I kind of wish there were an option to assist Yorinobu dismantle Arasaka from the inside and destroy Mikoshi with his assistance with the promise that he would assist with removing Johnny like you get with Hanako.
This is why I prefer not playing the Devil ending. If you don't help Arasaka, then Yorinobu maintains his advantage over the company and deals a crippling blow. Take Arasaka's deal, though, and the only repercussion is the public opinion when Saburo returns in Yorinobu's body. But the opinion of the masses means little to someone who figured out immortality.
It actually makes a lot of sense. And him having Johnny's engram, makes it logical. It serves two purposes at once:it is stealing Arasaka's flagship project and cripping the Corp in that way, and it also is learning from Johnny's engram (I think he could play back his memories without inserting the chip in your head) as Johnny's the only person in the game, at, least, that got the closest to destroying Arasaka.
quite strange Saburo plans to use children (their quantity is finite) or (?) grandchildren (genetic similarity is lesser). Don't they have some kind of genetic modification technologies or clones? besides that, creating an engram is creatin a copy so original you still can't escape the mortal body and dies
@@sdust_88 Supply of children isn't an issue if he had chose to collect sperm cells and implant them into donors to make as many children as he felt he needed. Why he didn't I'll never understand. If you are going to be evil at least be smart about it. Saburo doesn't seem like he would care if the original him eventually dies of old age as long as a copy of him is still around to control Arasaka. From the perspective of the Saburo that jumps bodies there would be no difference whether or not the original died or not.
@@maiqtheliar789 it's probably a pride thing. they couldn't just be ANY women. it would have to be women of a specific japanese line
I don't think Yorinobu returned to the family because he failed in the criminal world. He obviously had help dealing a blow to Arasaka during the Devil ending, that could have been all the underworld contacts/allies he established in his gangster days. He may have returned to the family so he had the foothold he needed for his rebellion.
yup, in the Devil ending himself he says that if he truly wanted to take down Arasaka he had to do it from the inside
Also just what exactly did Yorinobu DO that we can say was "bad"? He's mostly off camera for the entire game, but from the lines he says during the BD scroll, to his conversation with his father before killing him, he SOUNDS an awful lot like Johnny to be honest. He's disgusted by the entire concept of the Soulkiller project (just like Johnny), he finds his father's company to be abhorant and left it for years to run with the Nomads (just like Johnny). Hell he even breaks Johnny's engram out of Mikoshi on the chip, possibly as a form of poetic justice to a kindred spirit, one he knew would appreciate his goals. There is some debating of this, as there are only 2 sources in-game, specifically talking about Johnny's engram being on the chip, and why, and they are worded in a way to be contradictory. If you read an email in Yorinobu's suite during the heist, he is talking to Netwatch about the chip, and NETWATCH says they just want the chip, and any engram would do fine for their purposes (unstated). They specifically ask him why he picked Johnny of all engrams, to which Yorinobu waxes poetic for a bit, and basically says "There is a reason, but it's tl;dr, maybe I'll explain it to you later." However if you read the Netwatch Agent's laptop in the GIM, you can find a conversation between them and Evelyn, about securing the chip, where it's CLEARLY indicated that they specifically asked for Johnny's engram, and Evelyn says "it's because you want to talk to Alt obviously." She uses her knowledge of their plans as leverage to try and get a better deal in their bargain. So one of these sources is incorrect, I don't know which, the game is unclear. One states it was Yorinobu intentionally putting Johnny on there, and Netwatch being "Wtf? Why a coked out rockerboy?" and another has them specifically asking for that same coked out rockerboy. 🤷♂
So let's assume that the correct one is where Yorinobu intentionally put Johnny on the engram, a spirit that had defied his father openly, helped storm the tower and try and strike a blow to his father, and was VERY motivated to stop the same project that had the sword hanging over Yorinobu's head.
And a spirit that he emulated later, when he said he would make himself the bomb. And in the Devil's ending, what do we see him doing? Taking down ALL of Arasaka, globally. I think in reality, he was VERY much the kind of person that would have allied with Johnny if given the chance. In fact that might've been why he was smuggling him out on a chip that would let Johnny rewrite any host in the first place. To get his help and insight on taking down Soburo. 🤷♂
I honestly now, having played the game multiple times, and really thought about this, think that Yorinobu wasn't actually a "bad" guy, or even a psychopath, like Big Dan suggests. All of his hostile actions are directed at agents of Arasaka (his sister, Takemaru when he learns he is part of the old guard, V since he's working against his goals of destroying Arasaka). But outside of that, I can't really call any examples of him doing "bad" things? He's completely polite and caring to Evelyn when they hook up in the BD, he says he tried to free everyone from Arasaka's grip when he's on the floor in the Devil ending, talking to V. He's really not that bad, compared to the average person that V interacts with going to the nearby grocery store.
@@happyninja42
This comment is so insightful! If you made a video essay about this topic, I would definitely watch it.
@@happyninja42 there is a hidden gem, NetWatch agents, dead above a long section of road in Pacifica. One of them, if you scan him, has the same name as the one we deal with in the GIM. Think he has a convo shard and you can use your scan to zoom in on the identification on the floor.
Now, not sure if its a bit of a 'men in black' style thing, in that all the men have the same name, but why would two NetWatch dudes be in the same area, same time, same name? (If its not, I mean)
Which one is the real one, eh?
We know the Voodoo Boys want to talk to Alt. I get the feeling they are thinking of the AIs as the 'New Loa' for the digital age. They don't seem to know that Evelyn knows Johnny is on the shard (tho Brigitte knows Evelyn is too smart for her own good) and don't know that NetWatch know ether.
So, what if the guy in the GIM is not actually *with* NetWatch?
We already have a hidden gem of a dead cop under a garage in Kabuki who may not even *be* a real cop lol. What's to say Mr Cowboy in the cinema isn't part of some secret connected to what's going down in Phantom Liberty?
Maybe there was yet another faction that wanted Johnny? And he was part of that faction, masquerading as a NetWatch agent, among the rest of them?
In the tabletop, its hinted that a full Borg firefighter named 'Samantha' who is a big fan of Samurai, found both the Arasaka ADD nuke (yes, they had one. Yes, it was in the Towers basement areas, and yes, it never went off) and the half of Johnny's body in the rubble when she was working that day, trying to save folks.
That she hid the nuke material in the bay, where it was later buried under tons of concrete when the city was rebuilt. Took Johnny's body and froze it in the Body Bank (well known cryo facility in the tabletop, Johnny stored Alts body there till he got back 2 years later in 2015 after hiding out with Santiago and the Aldecaldos) then later, used the nuke casing to hide that she was smuggling him out to someone called 'Angel' in Los Alamos, who worked in nuke disposal.
In fact, it hints that 'Angel' might even be Alt herself (yeah, its possible she is just a fanatical fan like the guy we klep Kerry's guitar back from lol) since she says "Hello, my love" to him.
Just wish I knew what was going down. Too many conflicting possible timelines in my head, arguing with Maximum Mike saying 'its all one timeline' since they all keep contradicting themselves lol.
@@happyninja42 Maybe netwatch wants the johnny engram when Evelyn clarifies that the vdbs want the johnny engram specifically. They might be operating on "anything good for them is bad for us."
when Saboru ordered the guards to leave and wanted to be alone with his son, he was trying to scare him he was trying to inflict fear in him, making him begs for his mercy and forgiveness just like he was doing his entire life with all the people that he deals with, Yorinobu saw this low act of his father he refused to kneel to him and instead went on to kill him, Yorinobu was the only Arasaka employee who didn't fear Saboruo, also Saborou's act of taking the life of his son contradicts Hanako's claims about how he cares about family above anything.
I think he did fear his father. That's why he killed him. It was impulsive. He just took the chance and did it. He was afraid he wouldn't get another chance and was afraid of what was to come if his father lived on
If you read the lore, this reason becomes more insidious. Saburo was a Japanese ultranationalist whose ideas were developed during the final decades of Imperial Japan. His impetus for Arasaska was to make Japan the dominant superpower in economics & international politics, to recover the glory lost from WW2 and have vengeance on the USA. Given his controlling nature that also meant having near full control of Japanese politics. Yorinobu has always been against that since he found that he could never escape Saburo's will or plans so he figured the only way to destroy Arasaska was from within through decisions that weakened its hold on the world. This may seem like a ridiculous plot to some but keep in mind Cyberpunk was made in the late 80s when fears about Japan overtaking America economically was waning. I find Arasaska name to not be a Coincidence since it's similar to Arisaka which is the name of the inventor and the namesake of the service rifles produced for the Japanese military in the early-mid 20th century. Kind of a forewarning of Arasaska intentions.
doesnt soun ddumb tbh is still a good ground plot for saka
Not ridiculous at all
Yeah it's not even ridiculous tbh
Replace Japan with china and they actually weren’t too far off
Saints Row 2 had a similar plot, the Yakusa Mob Representative had an American Branch ran by the Son, but since the Son ran it as "an American-Styled" mob/gang, the OG Yakusa boss didnt like it one bit, and was promptly put down by the SR2 MC because the Yakusa boss had to prove Japanese Might and Ultra Traditionalism, which wasnt the same business practice that would flouish in America Mafia since the pie had to be shared.
I think that despite V's perspective in regards to Yorinobu internally and externally, Yorinobu may have been the real "hero" despite his actions. It's hinted that he was planning to end Arasaka corp for good, and free the world from it's hold. Basically even without V raiding the tower (in the non Devil endings), Arasaka would have been doomed to fail intentionally by Yorinobu, himself.
Ahhh...but you missed that Saburo approached Yorinobu at Konpecki Plaza and threatened him so that he would murder Saburo. Notice how Saburo sent Takemura away before he even completed his security scan? Saburo wanted Yorinobu to kill him. He had everything prepared for the transfer. He just didn't know V and Jackie would end up getting blamed so Yorinobu almost got away with it.
V and Jackie got blamed so it would be easier for Yorinobu to take over, as Takemura says the faction that supports him is small and not popular, Yorinobu was planning to destroy everything Saburo did cause unlike princess Hanako he understood Arasaka was an evil plague that need to either Change under his leadership or be burned to the ground. Seeing as how it was Saburos plan to always steal Yorinobus body whether he was on board or not I'd day Yorinobu did the right thing trying to kill him, unfortunately he didn't know Saburo had an engram made already therefore being immortal with an empire of lackeys
I feel like the "You become bomb" line is Yorinobu alluding to the fact that he has a plan for after Saburo 's engram is inserted into him. Like he somehow plans to kill himself and Saburo along with him. Maybe he tries to wrestle control at key moments like how Johnny does with V.
Johnny tried to destroy Arasaka, and free Alt by bombing the building. But Yorinobu knows blowing up a building does nothing. But blowing up Saburo? That could do it.
Woah, I had no idea Yorinobu was actually such a tragic character. This game has so many layers to it. Every playthrough and detail sheds new light.
I think Saburo came to the decision to use Yorinobu as a vessel after he came back to the family.
It was always his plan.
They were planning to make clones of Yorinobu pre Arasaka bombing. There were tissue samples of Yorinobu in the labs.
Playing as a Corpo, I really liked following the full Arasaka story and exploring all the endings. What a heinous family. I felt sorry for my deluded buddy Goro by the end...although not as sorry as I felt for my V.
Im convinced Yorinobu found out about his fathers plan to take his body, and began to understand just how evil his father was and how right Johnny Silverhand had been to seek and destroy Arasaka, and thus in his realization he understood that only he could begin to dismantle Arasaka and in a way he did, because he stole the chip, he gave V a chance to choose Arasaka’s fate.
Yorinobu wants to destroy Arasaka. That's why the company is in a tailspin after he takes over.
I think this is why in the ending where you storm the Tower no retaliation has come to V’s door and I wonder if it’s the same after the Konpecki job where Arasaka could have sent someone in addition to Goro but did not bc why would Yorinobu truly care
I don't blame Yorinobu one bit for his actions of stealing the chip to learn about it and then getting rid of his father in an attempt to prevent being written over. One wonders why he didn't immediately destroy Mikoshi once he had control of the company; maybe it was too well protected even for the leader of the company. It's interesting to think Yorinobu should have actively been helping V the whole time and his sister became the main villain essentially trying to murder her brother to save her father.
"you become bomb" damn i forgot how hard i laughed at that the first time i heard it. but now i kind of understand the meaning behind it better thanks to this video
"You become bomb", I'm sure Yorinubu didn't quite expect V to *literally* become a bomb.
Train go boom
No matter how many times I play cyberpunk I will never choose the devil ending. Suburo will stay dead.
Truly the worst ending
Think you'll change your mind after the expansion is released.
I mean, you should play it at least once.
I think Yorinobu told us why he killed saboro i think he's basically trying to pull a more successful johny silverhand and take down the arasaka corp from the top which likely would have had a bunch of side effects like triggering a 5th cooperate war and temporarily crippling night cities economy but arguable would be for the best cause Arasaka is the worst of the mega corps
This just makes me sad that there's no way for us to contact Yorinobu to perhaps explore that aspect of Cyberpunk 2077. It would be pretty neat to delve deeper into that part of the story
I take the opposite view: this wasn't an impulse or crime of passion, but a calculated assassination. Saburo could never have been killed within his Tokyo stronghold, not even with WMDs. Yorinobu correctly realized that Saburo would do anything to reclaim the Relic, including travel outside Japan.
He didn't know Saburo was seriously contemplating a tactical nuclear strike, but then it's fun to watch people gamble with incomplete information.
I liked the Devil ending because it gives us incite to what Soburo was planning all along. I wish we could have turned on Hanako and said f-it and help him burn Arasaka down for good. just to give Soburo one last kick before he could get up again
insight
after a couple of Game replays, I realized the kind of person that Saburo was, specially after know that he was thinking of nuke the entire Night City just for keep the relic tecnology safe. Yorinobu knew the kind of monster his father was.
Cyberpunk lacks a Yorinobu path.
The devs didn’t think hard enough 😂
@@AstarionWifey yeah they could’ve had it where if you find codex or set up a private meeting with him you are able to see his view and could possibly help him
Theory: Yorinobu was the one who changed Johnny's memories, in the hopes of having him commit yet another run on Arasaka tower. He made it easy for the biochip to be stolen, by having no security detail aside from Smasher, who is not loyal to Saburo.
Great video! I've always had a soft spot for Yorinobu since playing the game for the first time, I do feel like he's the least evil of the Arasaka bunch and actually has somewhat good intentions.
Also, IIRC, Yorinobu was born in the 1990s according to TTRPG lore, and I don't think that he was conceived just as a vessel for Saburo. However, when the preferred Arasaka heir (Kei Arasaka) was killed in 2023, Saburo found himself with Yorinobu, who would never follow in his father's footsteps, and Hanako, who had grown up sheltered and definitely was never intended to be a leader, so he could've possibly envisioned his plan right then and there. Yorinobu came back to Arasaka after realizing that he could only truly harm the company from the inside, and his plan eventually comes to fruition in the other endings (also thanks to V's help assaulting Arasaka tower and destroying Mikoshi).
I wouldnt be surprised if Yorinobu wanted Arasaka to end, to dismantle it. Return power to the people. He did expose himself to the "open life" of a streetgang and may have witnessed the damage done by major corporations. This would also fit with the great purge of Arasaka, weakening and opening it.
Yorinobu may have been an unwilling pawn turned anti-hero that revolted against the system (created by his father, and others). But of course, I'm no expert on this matter.
Interestingly enough, Yorinobu wins in 3 out of 4 endings, he survives and his father stays dead by erasing the engram of Saburo Arasaka. He went to war against the company because he wanted to stop them from comitting war-crimes. After all, he seems to be a man with convictions and a conscience. The only time Yorinobu loses, is through the Devil Ending, were Saburo's psyche occupies (illegally) the body of Yorinobu.
I feel like this is possible but it’s much more likely that Yorinobu is actually the true hero of the story, he left Arasaka because he found out his father was an evil overlord who wanted to control everything and rule the world, he founded the Steel Tigers and they literally fought against Arasaka on several occasions but after the death of his brother he realized that fighting Arasaka from the outside could never win especially with the Engram of Saburo being around even if he was killed he could always come back and so Yorinobu decided to rejoin the family to destroy it from the inside out, even though he loved his sister Hanako he realized that she was just another Saburo in the making and therefore in order to truly destroy the Arasaka Corporation as well as its hold on the world the entire family including himself would have to die. He sets this up as well as a war with Militech so that after all the Arasaka’s are dead Militech can finally land the killing blow on the Arasaka Corporation once and for all this freeing people from their Fear of the Arasaka Corporation. Yorinobu is the hero of the story however since Cyberpunk is supposed to be a Grimdark dystopia they perfectly set him up as one of the villains (or the main villain in the case of the Devils ending) to the Merc V who doesn’t necessarily care about right or wrong he’s just trying to make his own way in the dystopian world of Cyberpunk.
So you’re not wrong about his eventual motivations, but I think this theory is the nail on the head as to what originally started Yorinobu’s “rebellious phase” years ago. Kids don’t typically hate their parents. But when Yorinobu learned of his father’s fucked up plans for him, it started to cast doubt on the rest of his legacy as well.
"Idiots are afraid of a dead man in a box, pathethic."
Y'all can say what you want about Yorinobu but damn was that savage and based.
As far as I’m concerned, yorinobu was the most based member of the family. I think it’s good that he killed Saburo and I can understand revolting when we’re talking about him only existing to be a vessel for his father. It’s ultimately why I think the devil ending is the worst one. It leaves the corpo’s better off now that they know how to make their ruthless leader immortal, now your lifespan can be commodified at the cost of others.
Makes vampirism look tame.
Video starts at 2:29
Yorinobu’s motivations r very ambiguous in game, and I love to see it explored more because I think there’s some very interesting implications as to why he’s doing what he’s doing
Iirc in the ttrpg he thought arasaka and the corps were monstrous and evil and wanted them destroyed.
One of the things that puzzle me (and this might be explained in the lore somewhere) is that IIRC cloning was a viable process by this time. The wealthy use it to make cloned organs for replacement and the like. If this was the case, then why wouldn't Saburo simply have a clone of himself grown and put on ice until the transfer tech was perfected?
I have no doubt that Saburo originally wanted Yorinobu to succeed him and the lore supports that. But after his son broke from the family, Saburo may have decided that his son's 'place' was as his vessel into immortality.
Don't clones have shorter lifespans because of the telomere shortening?
Why do they even need clones? Engrams are 1s and 0s, just boot em into a robot
@@dkdiego505 Who knows? Maybe human body is more comfortable. Maybe computers that are small enough to fit in an android aren't powerful enough to run a human mind. Maybe people wouldn't believe a robot that says he's actually Saburo Arasaka. Although that one guy did trust the little box that did the same thing.
@@Glumpsy it is 2077, there is no way the chip in an Android can't run an engram, the engram starts out on a small chip to begin with. Also there's no way they can't make an Android that is almost identical to human, especially when so many people are chromed up to begin with.
@@dkdiego505 Then comfort it is.
Friendly reminder that Jackie's subtitle saying "Oh Sh*t" at 00:10 made TH-cam angry and so they restricted this video to only show limited ads.
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think so. In the BD of his apartment, Yorinobu does talk about his father's sick schemes, certainly. But, if Y had any inkling of the part HE was to (supposedly) play in them, I feel that his reaction and general behavior would have been much much stronger.
His final attack on Saburo seems to me more like simply years of suppressed anger finally boiling over. On more than one level, I actually feel sorry for the guy, because his father was a frickin' nightmare who should have been offed decades ago.
On the periphery of this are questions that the game never seems to answer - that deal between Netwatch and Yorinobu. What was Netwatch's intentions? That it was Alt-related seems reasonable, but is unproven. We do not know for sure. What was Yorinobu going to get in return? No idea.
There is always the chance that NetWatch was considering the same angle as the Voodoo Boys, Johnny's engram being bait for Alt.
@@ForeverOdd Quite possible but, as said, unproven. Certainly, the matter doesn't crop up when dealing with NetWatch in Pacifica. Then again, that is a completely separate operation, and the agent there simply may not have been "read into" the Relic deal.
I've always wondered in the devils ending, why they didnt make an engram of V and put him back in his own body. Johnny's engram was rewriting V, and "Johnny can survive in V" so why not make a new endgram and put it back in V and make it re-write him again.
V's DNA was already overwritten by Johnny's by the time of the ending. Even if arasaka could just re-infect the body with different nanites to change Johnny's DNA back into V's, that would require a sample of V's original DNA- which may not exist.
Well done. I’ve never thought a whole lot about Yobu, other than “bad guy, kill @1st opportunity”
Well done my man! Keep up the good work!
The mission “war pigs” seems to be a super interesting one… love the videos Big Dan!
Great take on that enjoyed it thank you for sharing
Thanks 4 all the hard work.
When I got this ending as my first ending I was actually extremely excited. There’s so many things going on in the background that makes the story very forbidding and interesting.
My biggest issue with Cyberpunk is not being able to side with Yorinobu against Hanako....
I love the lord and investigation you do dan! Great work!
Wooow ....fantastic video DaN
Yeah, from my perspective Yorinobu was just meant as a replacement body. His father wanted to use soulkiller on him and take over his body through the relic; giving himself eternal life by discarding his old body and moving into a new one. 🙂
Maybe someone else has asked this, but could V be Johnny Silverhand's grandchild or great grandchild? If the relic works better in a host with DNA that is compatible as in Saburo and Yorinobu, then V might very well be the offspring of one of Silverhand's one-night stands. Question: According to Saburo's diary in the AV on the roof of the hotel, he came to Night City via the Saka aircraft carrier. If the relic was so important, why not better security on it in the first place and why take several days to cross the Pacific when Saka agent could have locked Yorinobu down somewhere and wait for Saburo, something like they did to Silverhand after the nuclear demolition charge(s) were detonated. There must have been a great deal of cut story content, for whatever reason, because a lot just does not make sense, to me at least, as the story line stands in the released game.
Its gone around from the first week the game was out. Many folks have pointed out Johnny's character info said 'a string of trashed relationships in his wake' thinking one of them could be V's grandma.
Thing is tho. Saburo isn't just using Yorinobu because he is his genetic match.
He uses him because, as his only living son and heir, he will automatically inherit his holdings and businesses, both in the west, and in the east. Hanako Arasaka would need a special dispensation I think, to run them, and should she have a son herself, said son would inherit the moment he was 'of age' (should anything happen to Yorinobu that would see him removed)
Its a bit like the old ferengi proverb "brother's inherit, wives serve"
Daughters are only for carrying on the bloodline's rather than being considered the bloodline.
Also, how better to destroy the west, and (in his eyes) the corrupt western Corpo rivals, than to force them to destroy their own family, in a bid for immortality? How many CEO's would fall on their children, grandchildren even *just* to survive? How many of the rich and powerful had already thrown in their lot with his secondary plot of more than just keeping a copy of your loved one alive?
If you saved Takemura during the kidnapping of Hanako, he replaces Hellman to speak to V, and his explanation as to why V cannot just get a new body is different. He says V is 'unique' and this is the reason why they can only offer storage for now.
Hellman is being purposefully lead down the path of family body connection by Saburo (I think) because imagine if it got out that just *anyone* could use a Relic like his, to possess anyone they wanted?
Saburo is using Hellman to give credence to his assertion that only by sacrificing your children, can you live forever.
Thus, making living forever by Relic Transfer something only the rich, powerful and unscrupulous will consider.
Its the collar he will use to enslave the world, and remake it, should the Devil ending prove to be the one that's considered 'cannon'
(part of me hopes this is not the one, because while it gives player of the tabletop something huge to fight against, its so fekkin depressing, if you aren't someone that sides with the Corpo's point of view)
I don't think that's likely. The relic was literally changing V's DNA to be more like Johnny. If V was related to Johnny, it wouldn't have changed so much that V's engram would be seen as an intruder. Maybe there's a "consent" type takeover that's easier than stealing someone's body forcefully. I'd be willing to bet that Yorinobu just gave up and let himself be taken, almost like how V can take medicine to willingly give Johnny control.
@@silverbane8065 Extremely good point. I had totally forgotten the Eastern/Japanese way of inheritance and was working from the Western point of view. I do have to wonder if any of the other Corpo CEOs were crazy enough to use Saka's Relic services or did they understand how dangerous it would be. If I understand correctly Militech seemed to understand how dangerous Soul Killer was/is and that was why, one of several reasons, Blackhand used Silverhand and his group to help him attack Saka Tower.
@@GSainto True, I just jumped to the possible bloodline idea, but I had not heard about the early talk about Silverhand's relationships though.
This lore reminds me of Saints row 2, where the Japanese Yakusa boss had his Son run the American Branch of gangs, and the Son knew how to run it, "as an American Mob"
But the Dad (the OG) had different plans, he was an ultranationalist and wanted the Americans to be under all of Japanese Yakusa control. Which lead to his downfall because the "Boss" (SR2 MC) wouldve left them alone had he just trusted his Son would handle it, "American way".
I feel kinda bad for messing up Yorinobu's plans now...
Yorinobu wanted to change his fate, but it was all in vain.
Personally I still think that Yorinobu was planing on killing his father but at least not at that moment, but he snapped as soon as Saburo brought up his mother and how she'd be heartbroken and disapointed, Yorinobu clearly couldn't hold his anger anymore and just murdered his father on the spot
That's actually pretty interesting theory. And even fits to the story.
Knowing all this information, him and v aren’t that different. They’re both just trying to survive
It's pretty obvious to me that he wanted to destroy the company from the inside. No better way to do that but be in charge. You know the saying the most simple answer is usually the correct one.
The interwoven story telling through the multiple endings in C2077 is impressive. I guess cloning technology is still elusive in the setting?
I completely agree with you, Dan. I've said similar things to this, mainly that I do feel sorry for Yorinobu. People took that as me saying killing his father was fine. That isn't what I mean at all. That was heinous, an act of a desperate man, groomed to be a pawn. He was merely a pawn the entire time.
ye holy shit, that fact Yorinobu whole existence in his fathers eyes is just as a replacement body would make anyone go crazy, and then there is probably the shit with Yorinonu fking up and Saburo letting it slide despite being an unforgiving iron fist would compund onto that. i kinda hope Phantom liberty has a new ending where u kill Hanako and Saburo's engram.
Arasaka has a very dark yet very twisted family that want humanity to accent into godhood by creating the engrams and mikoshi in order to become innmortal but this also have causes major power struggles among arasaka brass.
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I think deeper conspiracy involving Night Corp is in place. Perales questline resolution is still a complete mystery, and it may be a missing part of the equation considering what you learn about tech involved. And whole Arasaka heist stinks of orchestrated effort by some unknown force. Too many things line up.
I had newfound respect for Yorinobu when I realised that he wanted to take down Arasaka from the inside. No one was the wiser. Not even V... I wish Yorinobu got help from us (V and gang) to make his dream come true.
Shit got dark quick
The actual reason is Jacob is Yorinobu's favorite character and his dad kept sending him into the vents.
Good thing I chose to leave Yorinobu alone. And I like to think V's raid on Arasaka Tower and their killing of Adam Smasher did more to help him in accelerating his goals in destroying the company.
I f you glitch back into the arasaka tower and go to Saburo's office there is a picture of him and Hanaka which shows she was his favourite .
Funnest glitch in the game I think
Sadly there's alot of incoherences regarding this topic.
First, the game mentions the relic need a similar host because of DNA, otherwise it would be rejected. But Johnny's engram is overriding V's DNA, making V's body *his* body by the end of the game (which allow the player to either give back the body to V and die or Johnny and live).
Secondly, you learn that Lizzie Wizzy has succesfully transferred her consciousness from her human body to a full chrome body, so why Saburo can't ? Yes, this has warped some of her personality traits in the process, but she wasn't Saburo Arasaka with all the money and power of the Arasaka corp.
Also, doesn't that mean Lizzie Wizzy is immortal ? or does she still have to use a organic brain ? If the latter, Saburo could still grow one from his own cells, as Nightcorp is growing human meat for consumption.
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Thats the reason why Yori secredly hired V to steal the Chip. After murdered his father he has a scapegoat in V.
It's pretty easy to (like myself) chalk it up to the "mother" comment at the start. Only reason I know better is because I played the Devil ending last just to see what happens in it.
It’s an interesting theory, but there is an issue. Yorinobu was born in 1995, which was years before Alt Cunningham created soulkiller and before Arasaka had it. Very unlikely that Saboru would have had a son with the purpose of using a technology on his son that didn’t exist yet and that no one even knew would exist.
I think the compatibility thing is bs arasaka is spinning to scam V. Johnny didn't seem to have compatability problems slotting into V's body.
wouldn't say Yorinobu is a good guy. he's fucked up in his own authentic way. never tried to track V down for stealing the relic, pretty much tried to destroy the company from the inside out by selling the biochip to Europe, depriving Arasaka the monopoly of this technology. maybe could team up, destroy Arasaka and yk, turn all the investors away from it, everyone's happy.
I wonder if Jackie saw Johnny at all before he died.
No cause you had to die before the relic activated
Wait ain’t Johnny engram different? How did the engram order Johnny silverhand Works on V body
Yorinobu was already alive by the time Soulkiller was invented.
5:23 wait didnt the mom pass away? or is she in Hanako's body?
I wish you could side with Yorunobu in the devil ending and betray Hanako.
Small plot hole i believe but why didn't any ONE of those guy take out a pistol and shoot the thing that was projecting him? if his engram was in that device... someone coulda pumped lead into it and that woulda been the end of Saburo...
Johnny Silverhand was the bomb. Yorinobu realized if he won’t be around to finish the job, make sure the next best guy is there to lay waste to Saburo.
What happens if you don't grab the gun from Yorinobu? It's a timed reaction, but I've never seen what happens if you don't stop him. Does the game just make you stop him anyway? Like if you don't choose to punch the Media Johnson in Johnny's flashback....only to have Johnny punch him anyway. Or does someone else come in and stop him while you lay there?
Nothing. Far as I know, it just times out. He does not shoot himself, V or Hanako. You carry on with the ending.
@@silverbane8065 So it's just like the "punch/don't punch Johnson" non-choice in the Johnny memory dive where you try and rescue Alt. Got it.
@@happyninja42 yep. Tho you would have to check vids here for confirmation. I've not gone down that ending at all, my knowledge of it is from videos here lol.
Having said that, decisions you make in that mission *do* have consequences. If you are mean to Alt before she is grabbed, it unlocks dialogue in a later meeting with her, where Johnny can say he is sorry for how he treated her.
Thompson should actually live thru the punch tho, since Johnny is supposed to use his flesh hand to hit him (lol) and he's forgotten (or had the memory altered) he did actually become friends with him, to a certain degree.
I'm hoping that the Dlc fixes or at least , explains these inconsistencies
@@silverbane8065 Oh yeah I know Thompson lives from the punching, I was just using it as a comparison for the game, where it gives you a ticking clock for an action...that actually isn't a choice at all, because even if you don't press "Punch Thompson" Johnny does it anyway. Was just curious if you don't choose "Move gun away" if he actually shoots himself or something. Since I don't plan on doing that ending again (it's really depressing), was curious how it played out.
As to the "mean to Alt before she's grabbed" thing, that whole memory sequence really annoys me on a personal level. Basically NONE of the dialogue choices equate to "Johnny isn't a raging douchenozzle" Which I found frustrating. I get that he's a raging egomaniac, and so the majority of his statements are going to be shitbaggery comments, but...really? Nothing that isn't just making everything worse? Why give me any choice at all? As to the part about being mean to her before she's grabbed, I was always nice to her (as nice as the choices allowed anyway), and Johnny still apologizes to her, as best as I can recall. It's irrelevant though, that memory shard was mostly just for comparison about the timer mechanic.
@@happyninja42 yeah, gives you the feeling that half the dev team loved him, the other half hated his guts (to me at least)
He wasn't always like this, tho.
Yeah, he could be an asshole (what Rocker wasn't? lol, ever one of them has an ego if they make it past the first few pay rises in the game)
But he didn't start hating Arasaka till *after* Alt's death.
Before that, they were just another Corp to dislike and sing bad songs about.
(You can just make Johnny keep his mouth shut, hard I know, and let the dialogue options time out, and that's how he's not 'mean' to Alt. I've done this there, and I do it with Jackie in the lift down because I don't like ether of the things I can say. Do it in the cab too, same reason)
I've come to the conclusion that the memory here is *his* alteration, unlike with the tower.
Because there is no mention of them splitting up in the tabletop story.
It just starts with them leaving the Hammer via a back door, and the attack.
I think Johnny went over and over the events, and changed them this way in his head, because he can feel less loss for loosing Alt that way. (if he's breaking up with her, I mean)
But I also have to wonder if changing other memories can affect earlier ones.
Like I said, he didn't start hating the Corps that bad till after the 2013 event. Before that, they were just another bunch of asshats to him.
His first thought on waking was "I'm alive?" then "where is Alt?"
Once he knew what had happened, he wasn't all "Arasaka did this to get to *ME* " he recognised they ware 'hiring' Alt (standard practice back then, when Arasaka was still just a small security firm lol)
I get this feeling that some of his memories have been messed with much more by them altering his others.
Hoping the dlc will give more on this, because the Johnny I remember wasn't like this (tho I missed out 3rd ed, I just have 1st, 2nd and Cybergeneration along with RED)
Sauburo is a mad man. He didn't need to sacrifice his son. Biotechnica has cloning tech. They can clone humans. Another way does exist but he sacrificed his son anyway.
Also why was Silverhand's engram stored on this version of soul killer chip? Was he planned to be revived later on? They could have just stored him on a regular chip.
Hmm ... genetic compatibility restricts who can be interfaced with a certain sentient computer program! Hmm ... where have we seen that before? Oh yeah, right! In Maass Effect Andromeda where only the Ryder twins can be "melded" with Alec Ryder's SAM!
I found your channel when mass effect legacy came out, great content very well put together informational content I'm glad you're getting more subs and hope you keep growing. This changes my opinion so much on the endings. Yorinobu is such a tragic character and Hanko is evil, I thought it was the opposite.
Yorinobu in a world we’re v doesn’t exist is the main character of Corpo Night City. Truly rides the rebel path. Saburo is and always was the villain in Night City. That and Biotecnica, they have a lot of quests and shards proving they’re as bad as Saburo’s Arasaka
Not just night city but The World. Remember in the corpo path Arasaka literally mind frys a European meeting, killing half and leaving the rest in critical condition all in the name of Arasaka.
Dang no spoiler warning for Dragon Age 😂
They mention the compatibility for an engram to overwrite someone, but what about V and Johnny? Are they compatible by some fluke, is this some plot hole, or am I missing something?
and this is why the Devil Ending in my opinion is the second worst ending in the game (The worst being the suicide ending where on one wins)
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Then, in a way, V is a successful experiment as she can continue as Silverhand. Well, more or less, minus all the near death threat.
Hellman Makes mention of this, he is completely perplexed by the fact that v is alive.
Too bad we didn't have an ending where we help saburo against hanako
But why was Johny compatible with V, they are not relatives, the whole process was inevitable it seamed
I don't know if anybody has mentioned this but I have a real problem with hanako when she starts talking about how she knew and accepted her place and her brother didn't
Because after you learn everything her whole thing about knowing your place in the world just smells of BS because it's really easy to accept your place in the world when you're not the one who's going to have their skull emptied out and their body stolen I just find her really hypocritical at this moment because you get the feeling that she's only on this whole except your place kick because she's not the one who got chosen to be her dad's new body
Does that mean that V was related to him some how? Or because of the bullet, she bypassed the requirement for the chip?
V was dead. I'm guessing that allowed the engram to get enough of a foothold before it brought V back that it was just a matter of time for it to win. Try that with a living mind and it can fight back immediately. That's why the chip doesn't do anything when it's in Jackie. And the chip is (foolishly) removed before Jackie dies. Yeah, we were a few seconds from having a Cyberpunk story where Jackie is the one seeing Silverhand. And is with us for the entire game.
@@Karajorma doubt that would have happened unfortunately. Jackie was dying due to blood loss, something the chip could not save him from. Where as V was hit in the head, with a small caliber bullet out of a (possibly) badly maintained gun, aimed at just possibly the exact angle required *not* to 100% destroy their brain.
Its the one thing many if us wish we (as V) could change, especially since V can tank multiple hits and just suck on a dozen bounce-backs and heal, but Jackie only seems to have one, and while he visibly seems to survive his shock saves, poor guy fails his save vrs death in the last minute.
Guess its cause V is the player.
I've had that issue before. My goblin priest in Warcraft, having to wait around for another goblin priest to parachute in to 'exorcise' a tank (lol) why can't I just do it? The power of greed dispels you! *smacks tank with rolled up goblin money.
Or when someone famous dies in a cut scene and I'm a healer, or I have a dozen healing potions in my inventory.
I was a necromancer-priest in guild wars, I had 'resurrection' on my skill bar, but I could not cast it on prince Rurik?!
*sigh..... Plot armour and all that, I guess.
@@silverbane8065 On the other hand, the main reason someone is dead dead is because starved of oxygen the brain is permanently damaged. If Jackie didn't have to worry about that they could have fixed his body up pretty easily. This is cyberpunk after all.
Now how they'd know that he could come back is another matter,
@@Karajorma usually the players would have a little knowledge of first aid, enough to stabilise a character who was failing their shock save, so they could be kept from bleeding out or wait to recover.
We also used to have Techies who specialised in MedTechie, but I think that's been merged into one now?
It's a bit like the old AD&D rules for negative HP.
Players would drop to 0hp and instead of dying, would have to save versus death or similar, so they wouldn't keep taking damage. Get to -10 or -20hp and you needed a resurrection scroll/spell or reroll a new player character lol.
We had similar rules in 1st, 2nd and Cybergeneration, tho players with enough knowledge or a medkit could take a turn to use it to stabilise a badly wounded friend.
Tho, having a 'TraumaTeam' or 'REO Meatwagon' membership could help after that.
Unfortunately, that doesn't work as well in digital games like this.
Still, later this year (we hope) they are releasing the 'Edgerunners Update' supliment pack, which should update Cyberpunk RED from the year 2045 to 2076 and so, if players want to save Jackie, they can do it in there maybe ^^ by just giving him some first aid.
@@silverbane8065 Yeah, like I said V wouldn't be able to save Jackie but it's interesting to think how easy it would have been to do It if he'd known what we now know.
So even if Y was completely loyal to his father, his body still would've stolen anyways? That's fucked
It would have been cool to work with Yorinobu to take down Saka. Though the nomad ending is my favorite. Saburo stays dead, and Hanako dies too.
Yorinobu was born in 1995, before Alt wrote Soulkiller while she was an active edge runner from the 2000’s into the 2020’s.
Yea if saburo wanted to take over a body, it probably would've been kei his grandson. But he died.
IDK man, that puts Saburo in a whole new light. I knew he was a tyrant but this is fucked up on a whole other level.
"suburrow"
I think saburo loved hanako so much he didn't want to take her body over so he had another child in order to not only get a male body, but to make a child he could grow to not actually care about.
I feel yorinobu was trying to save the world from the tyrant that was his father ....although knowing humanity yorinobu would get greedy one day and just become his father why i think he was trying to save the world is a ingame news message on the rock station where he made a biker gang called the steel dragons.....which is a easter egg to a movie called rockstar and the band in the movie