JP Silent Capture Spring for Law Folders
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If you are looking for the smoothest AR-15 (or AR-10), it will probably involve a JP Silent Capture Spring. And if you happen to have a Law Tactical Folding Stock Adapter, then you are in luck. They now offer one specifically for the Law Folder, or if you already own a silent capture spring, you can get a retrofit kit.
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You can find links to the JP Silent Capture Spring here: kitbadger.com/jp-silent-capture-spring-for-law-folders/
Think this will work with a Sylvan Arms adapter?
KB won’t answer your question unless you pay him on PATREON. Hopefully, someone will know the answer to your question and respond.
Now do a review with Sylvan arms a armaspec stealth !!!!
Bruh literally do a expensive (this video) vs budge stealth recoil/ folding adapter. I want to see what the results are. Which most of us are running on budget kits.
@@keven1101 yeah I wanna know if this works for the sylvan folder as well
I like Ivan he’s the soft spoken, body stacking chad we all aspire to be
And yet he'll never claim to be. Such a rad dude.
Plus he is a great dad!
I have to watch him on 1.25x speed but I agree lol
You need to install the included shim to prevent the buffer weights from stopping on the rod assembly screw when firing. The rod assembly screw is not made to stop the mass of the buffer weights every time you fire a round. This is a common problem due to the receiver extension (buffer tube) being drilled too deep.
I spoke to JP about this, and apparently it's also caused by simply not screwing the buffer tube in enough turns. The buffer weight assembly should rest against the rear of the bolt carrier before it comes into contact with the screw flange. That screw isn't designed to endure the force of the buffer weights or the spring. If it breaks or chips off like that, then your buffer tube geometry needs correcting.
The JP SCS does make the rifle shoot smoother and softer..Don't bother trying to explain this to certain people (A D) they might emotionally melt down lol..Great video.
I've basically have ran everything. And I have settled on vltor a5 with a springco green. Simple and gets the job done.
man I can tell by your music choices that you are a rad dude
I make my own SOTAR lube amd i put some on my regular buffer spring and it is totally quiet and smooth. Love it!
I don't have a Law Folder, but I have a bench/competition AR platform with the JPE Silent Capture springs, and it literally makes the rifle perform so much better for me. When I am shooting long range, I feel like this buffer spring helps me stay on target for those hard-to-reach targets.
Absolutely love JP, the SCS is such a quality product
I don't have a Law yet but I love my JP SCS. That is the best money I have ever spent on my rifle. It can make a cheap rifle feel like a high-end rifle.
I have really Grown to appreciate your videos my Friend ,You are always demonstrating the type of Equipment(cutting edge) that I am searching for.I Just subscribed and will be looking for you alot more Kit Badger!! Thank You!
I run JP captured spring systems in all my rigs. This is a much awaited offering for me.
What is your preference in weight do u have a 300aac?
@@TennisWorldSetPoint H2 works well for me. I also have adjustable gas blocks from POF-USA. Felt recoil is absolutely nil.
@@peady64 but do u have issues with any 300 heavy sub rounds with a can.
My concern was watching ivabs video he's using an h2 scs and the diagram says not to with 300 AAC. But I noticed a decent amount of felt recoil from 150 grain and if you have an h2 can you remove a tungsten weight to go sub sonic? Remember I do have law tactical folder with adds weight to the bcg and I have an adjustable gas block should I be fine or shy I get the h2 just incase I want to throw a mark 18 upper on it?
@@TennisWorldSetPoint not as of yet.
Thanks for your honesty
I would've never guessed that this guy is a security contractor?
Seems down to Earth!
You explain this system in great detail..glad I found your channel 👍
I have them in all my AR15/AR10s. Smooth as butter.
Huh,… might need to pick one up. I have a silent capture spring in my select-fire lower & it’s great when the giggle switch is flipped.
Great review. The screw getting sheared off there from contact highlights the real beauty of the AR-15 platform as Stoner and God intended it. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity. While you said it seems like a kind of remote issue, I certainly wouldn't want all my teams' guns in an arsenal that's used on the daily to have this instead of a regular buffer and spring.
As this guy mentioned, he doesn't clean his guns. I suspect carbon build up might've had something to do with the failure here. The gap between the head of that screw and the buffer weights is very slim
I love the SCS. I would run them in everything if I could afford it.
Good job. Appreciate your experience & thoughts.
Also the 2020 shoot was a blast. Hopefully you do another one some day. :)
Great video! Almost convinced but I still think going with a geissele super 42 buffer and spring is the best way to go! Absolutely zero reliability issues, lighter in weight, and better cost.
I have both, run both a lot, the JP SCS is a far superior feeling. SCS is worth the extra money.
@@GeneralPreparedness1 definitely JP for the win. Once you go JP silent capture system you'll never go back to a standard spring and buffer system. Makes running suppressed even better IMO.
Geissele super 42 feels just like a regular spring it just gets rid of that sprong noise other then that I haven’t noticed much difference it apparently is more durable though then a regular one also
@@rifleshooterchannel208 This is a joke right? How much time have you spent running an SCS?
@@rifleshooterchannel208 the exact same issue can happen with more typical buffer setups breaking the buffer detent and having it fall into the trigger locking it up. Search up "broken AR buffer detent" and similar if you don't believe me. This is only an issue in either case (with SCS or standard) if the buffet doesn't make contact with the BCG when it's in battery. What ends up happening is the repeated stress from the buffer weight hitting the detent (or the bolt that acts as a detent on the SCS) eventually breaks the part because it is not designed to withstand that, it's only meant to hold stuff together during disassembly. If your gun is put together properly it's a non issue (hence the included shim kit and why Ivan mentioned it) but if you don't check it can happen. For typical buffer setups if the front of the buffer is getting chewed up by the buffer detent that's a sign that the BCG isn't making proper contact and you should figure out the problem before the buffer detent breaks and potentially deadlines your gun unexpectedly.
Ivan, I've got a project idea for you....what with 8.6 about to hit the shelves (I plan to try it myself)...
And that is: using a JP system in an AR308 in 8.6, but adapted so the rubber end plate from the 308 system is attached to the guide rod and spring JP made for the Maxim PDW, but with one of the weights removed and the remaining weight being the tungsten one. If it's too short, add a couple rubber washers in the back of the tube.
Reason? I really want to use a honey-badger brace on my 8.6 pistol... gotta get that petite feel and honeybadger profile/vibe.
I might end up doing this myself... but getting multiple systems just to cannibalize them can get costly. I'd love an official solution from Q or JP.
when are 8.6's dropping, debating if worth picking up while owning 300blk / 308 and 458 socom
Have one in a range/comp AR, and it's smooth. For my main ARs I run A5s with flatwires.
What's your opinion on the two? Only reason I'm really seeing for the JP is it's silent, an A5 setup or some stiffer springcos look more logical otherwise, especially for the money, so I'm curious what an actual user of both thinks.
@@wolfgang_h3t I am curious about the comparison of the two as well. Two of my ARs, one piston and one DI, have A5s and I love them. The piston feels way better for some reason.
@@XDWX I'm just using a red springco with a 4.7 ounce buffer, works well enough, but I've been tempted to try one or the other out, this rifle has very little in the way of cut corners, so if the A5 or JP is decently better, or at least potentially better, I'd like to play with it. Atm leaning A5 with a springco rifle spring, we'll see if this changes that lean.
@@wolfgang_h3t I bought the SCSS years ago when I was more into tinkering with buffer systems. I bought an extra tungsten weight, and the multi-spring kit to test various weights. Then I realized if there is an issue with the screw I'd be in a world of hurt, and potentially left with a unserviceable SCSS. Only way to get spare screws is to buy the whole service kit. Decided I did not want those headaches with a "service" rifle. Probably a minor issue, but if it wasn’t for bad luck I’d have none. So it sits in a seldom used AR.
Recently swapped to A5s on a few main sticks after chatting with Roger from Forward Controls Design about it. Everyone swears by A5H2 with a Sprinco Green, but the Green is damn sproingy. Drives me crazy. To cure that I run Tubbs flatwires, and if you watch Tubbs vid on the bennies of flatwires they sorta sell themselves. th-cam.com/video/8fMVZbrnvu8/w-d-xo.html
I've only a few hundreds rounds on the A5s. Overall the reasoning behind an A5 makes sense, but so far a shooting buddy and I do not “feel” the change compared to a carbine tube with an H2 w/ Super 42. I’m going to try an A5H3 in my main ARs, see how that runs.
@@2of2DCH I see, thanks for the reply
I run the jp silent capture in most my setups i like them alot
Good video. Thanks.
You bastard! I was just going to drop a troll comment and then move on. Then you had to go and make a really great video for an awesome channel. I ended up subscribing instead. I just failed as a troll. There must be some dark magic at work here. LOL
Cool like the weather you be in 🔥
Seems like the LAW Tactical ARIC would be more practical if someone already has a LAW Folder. Personally I value repeated fire eith a folded stock weapon over smoothing out recoil and reducing unwanted noise. I'm about sold on the ARIC. Be great to see your take on it.
I went dead foot arms mcs. Works great total adjustable no issues at all. Price wise I feel dfa is a beter route for what I get and functionality
Amazing you are able to put this on sir, amazing you made it to this point. I’m not gonna give you a sob story about how the sugar weasel is my favorite gun(it’s up there), or how much your content helps people. Trust me I learned from classic fire arms that no matter how much you love the gun or giveaway….I won’t win it and I’m being long winded for no reason lol. Thank you for the opportunity, I’m from Tampa Fl(great gun laws). It would be an amazing experience to actually train the stuff I really need to. Since my uncles passing it’s been real hard to run anything tactical without paying. Cost between ammo and the training itself is nuts. I have never been to Washington, I love to camp and holy shit do I need to get out of this city. Let’s shoot some shit! Yes.
Great content as per usual. Thank you sir.
Absolutely!!
@@AnonymousMontanantoo Fancy run in into you here! How ya doing Beau? Where are you these days?
@@cliffarnold7463 still living here in Las Vehgastan. Retired quietly. Ivan and I joined the Air Farce together at about the same time, and from same home town. Howz Idaho been for you?
I remember putting a Jp inside my law folder, what a pain to take out.
Yesss just what I wanted
Thank you for ensuring that I don't buy a spring that has the potential to disable my firearm. The screw is enough of a reason not to buy it for me. Great review!
Nice. Been looking at the Law Folder. Reached out to Brownell’s asking which captured system is recommended. Good to see you’re running it too. Lol… what says the Death Adder?
I had the same exact issue happen after about 350rds on 9mm from a cmmg banshee rdb. I went back to a traditional system.
I had the same problem with the outer edge of the screw breaking off. The scs no longer holds together and I found a circle shape of metal in the lower wedged under the selector.
This exact thing is happening to my scs in my 9 inch 300 blk pistol. Took it out to look at it after about 600 rounds and the lip around the retaining screw is all mangled and bent, I’m going to replace it and try more shims
Jp makes the best shit. Just a shame he has such a nice honeybadger but doesn’t clean it
I noticed me screw is wearing the same way. Did they send you a new screw which was different than the original and are you running into the same issues with replacement?
Great information man, thank you.
I had a hell of a time trying to dissemble the platform for cleaning and trying to remove the silent spring/guide from the lower assembly. As for the cleaning obviously you have to remove the piston extension at the aft end of the bolt carrier so you can separate the upper and lower receivers. But that extension wont come out without a fight. Once you beat it out remove one of the three o rings at the end of the plug...the one facing forward. The extension should come out with a hard hand pull now once its installed in the bolt carrier. Next the silent spring will not come out like a normal buffer tube and spring...depressing the pin hat to let the buffer slide forward will no longer work! You have to remove the hex head at the bottom at 6:00 O clock on the Law Collar all the way out to let the pin hat and spring fall down instead of push down to removed the buffer/spring assembly!
JP makes a special retaining pin for the their silent captured buffers.$11.95.
I have a silent capture recoil spring so don’t think I’m talking out of my ass. I have it in an 18 inch “dmr” build and it drastically smoothed out the recoil. When I was working for an un named suppressor company we had a full auto jp 9mm blowback ar with a can on it. At a range event we shot about 1500 rounds full auto and melted the o rings between the weights on the silent capture spring. It seized in the buffer tube half way back and we had to pull the entire tube to remove it. I think the silent capture is great for range toys but I wouldn’t put one in any gun with a suppressor.
1500 without cooling?
@@dickdasterdly7003 no 1500 throughout two days. The gun was shot a lot but it wasn’t a 1500 round torture test.
From JP's website: "The JPSCS is not compatible with any 9mm AR variant or any blowback system using a solid (weighted) carrier."
I don't know why this is, but I'm tempted to ask them. I don't understand why the o-rings would melt unless they're getting squished, increasing their diameter beyond that of the weights, and consequently rubbing against the interior wall of the buffer tube. They would melt pretty quickly if that happened, but then the question is, how are the o-rings getting squished? Maybe that's why JP says to not use a solid carrier...
@@gfyabc I’m not sure what the cause was. I just know I watched it fail. I have a 10 second Snapchat of the gun when it started to act up. It’s time stamped December 2016 and that’s my only evidence.
Strike Industries is coming out with a AR lower receiver with a built in folding mechanism.
I believe a company already does that. Is called 17 design and manufacturing.
Shield arms already has one, never seen anyone using it though, it stays in stock
Need a tutorial on the magazine painting please
Great video dude. What kind of laser are you running on that rifle? Thanks
Look like an Surefire XVL2 irc
@@MedicalGunsandGear thanks
How does it work with your suppressor? Still need an adjustable gas block?
Yessir.
Damn you got me looking at my JP springs now. You say it's remote but i think it might be a design flaw. That's an awfully small piece of metal to take all that constant abuse.
I run JP gas blocks and springs in all my AR platforms
I don't have a JP spring kit but I have an Armaspec SRS spring kit, which many claim to be just good as the JP one. My personal experience on it has been excellent so far. It provides the quietest recoil motion I have ever heard (probably not from that many AR's, but still, very quiet), which after getting used to it I can feel and hear almost all the recoil bounce from other people's AR when I shoot them. And it comes with dual recoil spring similar to the one on Glock 43 that gives a gradually increased force when pulling the charging handle and makes it very smooth. For the increased weight I didn't pay much attention to it since my AR is a bit nose heavy and I need more weight in the tail to balance it (hence why I chose to go with the Magpul ACS-L stock). Assuming the JP spring kit has a similar or even better performance than the SRS, I would highly recommand either system to people who would like to upgrade their AR's in some detailed places to improve their shooting experience.
Looks cool.
That’s a ton of money! 😦 That plus the conversion kit and the law tactical is more expensive than the whole rifle! 😱 But I guess it’s worth it if you’re talking about longevity… but that’s a lot of money 🥴 there is something really nice about a quieter rifle though so it’s worth thinking about. My poor wallet hurts thinking about that but I’d like a lot smaller profile and a quieter build but not huge on the weight
Bravo.thenks
I hope they add a 9mm version.
Super 42 is like $65 and sometimes $45 if you catch it on sale and is also pretty much silent and made up of less parts. Just saying.
Hmmm,PM should have been enough to keep the screw from jamming the works. I clean after every outing and if it’s set a while before I shoot.
Has anyone tried the Anarchy Outdoors extension for SCS with the Law Tactical folder? The Law-specific model is perpetually OOS.
Good afternoon Kit Badger, I'm new to the AR's I looking for a little advice. I bought the folding stock. But I want to install the JP Silent Capture Spring. But not sure of what weight or what I should look for. Can I have your opinion. Please and thank you.
Awesome!
What stock and recoil spring tube are you using on this setup, I have a Honey Badger pistol and would like to set it up similarly to yours, thanks for any help!
There is another company making something inside can't remember the name though.
Ivan I just ordered my scs w/ law adapter and really was not sure if I wanted h2 or non weighted. Andrew from jp told me that you don't use an h2 with 300aac but he said that's because the bullet is heavy and it's sub. I mentioned the supers he said to adjust the gas block. I see you have an sbr 300 and your using the h2 with a surpressor. Was there any issues can you anticipate any felt recoil issues with the non weighted one using 110 150 grain? I was told to adjust the gas. The adapter also adds weight to the bcg. There's a big difference when you use a regular buffer and an h2 with a regular spring so I would think that they recommend using the non weight version because I could be running surpressed. And that's too much weight and back pressure and it may not cycle. Thoughts on what Im getting at. Mostly I fire supers but I do shoot subs. 10 inch. So are they right should I be getting the non weighted one, as per site diagram. I just hate adjusting gas blocks I have to take the hand guard off, in the video your shooting surpressor are u shooting subs or supers through it? That's where the h2 I think if there's gonna be a cycle issue it would be with heavy subsonics with a can and h2 thoughts?? I do t want to regret not buying the h2
Please let me know if this is legal in california for my Ar pistol at a 7.5in barrel length with no fixed mag
If you buy the Law Tactical BCG/Recoil unit - you don't have to buy any buffer, the JP is great but expensive.
Like mine and think it’s the missing link. Locks up the folder better.
1L25 yeah you get that stick good boi
Did you use the h or h2 system with your suppressed sugar weasel? I have a SLR set using the honey badger barrel assembly suppressed, so similar set up, just wondering about your weight preference after shooting it for so long. Thank you Kindly in advance Ivan!
What laser/light is on the top rail of your rifle ?
Did you go with H or H2?
I been eyeing a sugar weasel in 300 blackout but I have a sandman s I’m wondering if it would fit on it
Can this be done with an AR10 built?
What's the lifespan like, that you're experiencing on the bushings?
How's this compared to the geissele super 42 buffer spring
Awesome little set up. #Badgerpewlife
I’m confused on what actually broke
Was it the screw or the spacers? I thought the spacers went in the back
The built in washer on the screw head.
Can this be used for a lower with integrated folding capability?
Can you remove the upper with the BCG+extension installed? Or do need to remove the extension to remove the upper?
You have to remove the extension before you can separate the two.
@@antonb562 That is what I figured. Thanks
@@MrKyoo It's super easy though. Just pops out of the back with the stock/ brace folded.
Do you have any prescription eye protection recommendations?
David Tubbs flatwire spring is much better
I hate cleaning my guns as much as the next guy
But I realize cleaning is also a good opportunity to inspect all the working parts of my guns
Bottom line
Clean your gun's
You won't ever learn how far the gun can be pushed if you obsessively clean them. I get it if it's your carry gun but otherwise it's just excessive. Do you change the oil in your car every time you take it for a drive?
Did you run the H2 version on both 5.56 and 300blk suppressed?
How did that grinding noise go again?
But does it work with an FRT?
Edit: also can it work in the What Would Stoner Do Carbine?
This shouldn’t have any effect on a FRT, as that relies entirely on the BCG itself to force the reset.
Also, why ask about the WWSD?? That has a KP-15 monolithic polymer lower with a fixed stock. It’s completely irrelevant to use this product with that…
The WWSD/KP-15 works great with the JP SCS, it was always designed to use it. Just get the one thats not setup for the Law Folder and you should be fine
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@@That_Guy5575 the WWSD always used the JP SCS, out side of *this version* being setup specifically for the Law Folder, how is it irrelevant when the question was about the WWSD/KP-15?
Products like this are cool for a range gun. But I stick to simple & reliable for serious guns.
This is just a captured spring though, it isn't hydraulic or anything
Lol, hard to respond to that....It's pretty reliable, ask Military and LEOs....And if that's not a serious gun he has than you must have some space force rail gun or something...
I whole heartedly agree. Great for toys but not for something you may depend your life on. Adding complexity introduces another failure point.
I guess I just don't really see the point of this, especially with the price.
"one of the sacrifices is weight" lol the difference between a JP silent capture and a standard H1 buffer and spring is around 1oz
It's so stupid the gen 3 folding buffer cost like 250 for a peice of metal the size of two old optics mounts
8:00 it's called a Dremel 🤦
Great for the AR owner who wants to spend every penny of their paycheck on Gucci gear.
Lmao
Absolutely. 99% due much better w/practice. Can’t buy accuracy and muscle memory
As I don't disagree with you, it does make the gun really smooth and cuts down a lot of the metallic ping noise you hear with AR's
@@fnxtugboat3541 you’ll never notice that ping unless you have one of those stupid Gucci silencer thingys. LOL
Just joking! Waiting for my 36M to get out of silencer jail. 426 days from purchase and 327 days since they cashed the check. Any day now!
@@keithbailey6143 99 days to cash check, ouch.
I want to like the SCS but i've seen too many reports of random failures. Too many moving parts for a spring and a mass.
I've used them for 10 years with zero issues. Thousands and thousands of rounds.
U need to be cautious of "reports". Most people have REALLY BAD HABITS and do not clean or maintain their guns like they're supposed to. It's like a chick saying she hates Toyota camrys because she's had 5 engines seize on her. She doesn't tell you she didn't know that oil changes were a thing.
Any idea of it works with the Sylvan Arms folder?
I know this comment is old, but it does not
An intregal part of my "dream AR" minus the folder. It's a requirement for me, I just cannot stand that zinging in my ear. A distraction I don't need.
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Bad ass
This guy is cool, but I can't place his accent and it's bothering me way more than it should. It's almost like an east coast mixed with a west coast (certain words east coast "southern") accent. The raspyness at the end of words sounds like how my uncle use to talk.
I cant see a reason for using something like this unless you need it for a pretty niche purpose. Especially after factoring in the price and potential for introducing more failure points.
I can say I'm getting it because I was having chipping with bolt slam and I don't like buffer bounce when I had H1 buffer stove piping with a 300aac with a low mass carrier. But this should solve that. I was on the fence too I didn't want to spend any more cash. There are issues with selecting the right buffer and spring with folding adapters. I guess it's all about silent capture do u want to be quiet do u want easy ways to adjust. JP doesn't make anything thats just for show everything has rhyme and reason. But I know everyone swears by this system gun store owners est. Love the Geissele super 42 but I did realize that it's always going to bolt slam it's such a strong spring no matter the buffer. It helped with felt recoil and coil twang. This eliminates that too. Niche guns require niche parts I suppose.
More parts and more chance to have malfunction.
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