A smoother, quieter AR-15? The SMB from Armaspec.
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- The Sound Mitigation Buffer(SMB) was created to eliminate some of the noise that comes from the buffer/buffer spring, and also just create a slightly smoother cycle for your action. If you're looking to upgrade your buffer system, this is a really nice and inexpensive way to do it!
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Am I the only one that was worried about his beard getting ripped out by that buffer tube?
Nope I saw that and was wondering what type of person rests their face on a buffer tube with holes in it
That was my immediate thought when I clicked on the video 😂 that thing is a beard shredder 3000 no doubt!
@@tylerbrown8026the crease in my Magpul stock and buffer tube already rips the beard hairs out for me.
Yup
1st thought lol
*I'm pretty sure this is the first time we have all seen a skeletonized buffer tube*
I ran one for a week a few years ago back, in Arizona. In the Arizona desert. Yea… it did exactly what you’d expect in a dirty, dusty environment. - Skeletonized tubes are for safe queens, not service rifles.
Bout to say..... Probably the last one we're gonna see, as well.
Thank you! I installed one of these and put spring back in and it would fall out!!! You are the first one to tell me you don't need it! That is one of the reasons I buy a bunch of shit from you guys👏
You can clearly see in the video that they arent using it.
A lot of the sound of a stock buffer sprig can be mitigated by using some dremel paste and gun Lupe in the buffer tube and shoot for around 200rnds. It will clean up the machine marks in the buffer tube and quite it down.
thanks!
Thanks for the info
Or just don't use a crappy buffer tube with machine marks.
@@JR15A2, who makes this product, without machining inside the buffer tube? I promise you I have assembled more ARs than you could imagine. Nice try though keyboard warrior
Sure, of course you have. I'm sure they were all "just as good" too. Any quality manufacturer can absolutely machine buffer tubes with a perfectly smooth finish on the inside, just like they're able to acheive on the outside. Nice try though keyboard couch potato.@@seantardif8889
I have 2 of the Gen 2 versions. Those work perfectly. I’m definitely going to be trying this out.
What are the failure points of it? About how many rounds have you have you fired? Are you keeping the guide rod and spring oiled? Are you shooting suppressed?
Looks like a great improved upgrade for better and smoother working.
I just got this installed and I must say, it’s an amazing upgrade.
Can this system be weighted in multiple weights as some calibers and rounds may require?
@@stevenbarnes5220 from what I understand from the concept you can get different weights and springs to get the feel you are looking for.
I run a Geissele Super42 and H2 buffer in my AR15, looks like this one might make it into my current AR10 build. Variety is the spice of life... ;)
Those were awesome upgrades for my AR
This is phenomenal, I need one right away.
Thanks for this! Didn't know about these until now. Just ordered the Gen4 SRS from Armaspec
What's the difference between the SRS and the SMB?
I just bought the one for the 9mm. I wish I'd known beforehand that the weight has to be removed from the BCG. Put a kink in my joy of installing it. I really like the Beach Bash '44 Tee. Very cool.
Does it help recoil?
@@glennwest267i came here to ask the same thing
Never gave my buffers a second thought, I will have to check it out.
That buffer tube is sweet
I like this product. I use it as an upgrade for my ar. I always wanted to try the magnetic recoil system to see the differences.
Man this is awesome. I love this product. Definitely would love to buy this.
Interesting and informational. Thanks!
Been building firearms with DTT parts for years. Great quality, can't beat the prices!
literally went to check out this system and came across that you guys are doing a give away pretty awesome man
This is a great upgrade to install on your rifle!
Whoa. That's really great.
Geissele braided wire spring and H2 buffer is perfect. Doesn't make your weird twang noise and it's supper durable.
The new upgrade looks like a good improvement
Wtf is with that skeletonized buffer tube!? Seems like a no go for a serious build and facial hair lol
Gas in the face.
Its just to showcase the spring…. Sheesh
@@Eroc556right ?!?
It’s still cool af
Free shave 😂
I have the previous gen 2. I absolutely love it. It makes a big difference. I bought all of the individual weights so I can tune my AR for several different scenarios. The weights were $10 ea.
I'm new. Why would you have different weights for different situations?
@@FogGoblinidk if anyone answered you so I'll try, the biggest thing is reliability which is assured by most companies by making the weapon over gassed on purpose, this means that it can also cause damage over time and the way you tell if it's overgassed is the ejection pattern. Ejection pattern is when firing the cartridge case is ejected and bounces off the deflector behind the ejection port, if it's bouncing off more forward of the ejection port than 3 o clock to 430ish o clock it's overgassed which can be mitigated by adding weight to buffer.
If cartridges are bouncing off the deflector behind the 3 o'clock position it's likely under gassed or you should lower the weight in the buffer until it's at 3 o'clock position otherwise it's gonna take more than weight.
Everything you could ever really learn without doing the things with the things can be learned right here on YT so you're in the right place so do your research and enjoy tinkering.
Also, the best buffer system for the money I've seen so far is by strike industries it's a kit that comes with everything and they sell upgraded springs too if I'm not mistaken.
@@sciji3118 Wow. I learned nothing. I realized these all made in the time of War to the lowest bidder and then fifty plus years later all the legislation and you cannot change a simple part without creating a Felony. Fast forward to now this good for them if it jams, misses or explodes. After typing that I realized pry inside job so we all not all wearing a legal motion activated voice controlled shoulder fired mini gun with chemical bullets.
@@sciji3118 Simple question from a simple mind. I was thinking you would say weights change depending on type of ammo and if using a suppressor for proper feeding. Also why cannot it be contained in a Soundproof or Liquid butt stick? Also what is the exact amount of gas needed to cycle and where is bleeder like valve to throw away extra gas and not cause further wear and tear. You know them, I Dream of them. However nothing like Modern. I see the Future.
@@sciji3118 Also why cannot we have a Digital Spring in Butt stock for change on the fly also would love to see Electric Paintball Trigger to replace them all. Just a Dreamer. Nothing is Ok, it is old.
Might need to try this.
Very informative. Opened up new info here.
Cool; I wasn't aware of this, thanks.
Looks Interesting. Thank you.
Might be worth checking out when I get a surpressor.
I have one in each of mine inclding myy AR10, FANTASTIC!
I have the older version, its been great
The only issue I ran into was this.
A POF 7 position buffer tube.
I didn't realize it's just a little longer.
So, the 308 version would drop to far in.
What I did.
Cut some buffer spring coils , just enough to full the gap.
welded 2 washers to the spring.
Placed it in first and then the armspec buffer in and locked it in.
It let's the entire process smoothly work and doesn't bottom out...
What the fuck.......
Wild looking buffer tube.
Looks like a must have!
Have you tried it in a rifle length extension? Is it still the same setup for Gen3, use the extension plug? Hate the annoying ding in my service rifle. Thank you.
I just bought a JP silent capture spring. Might have to go this route for the next rifle's upgrade so I can compare.
I have the version 2 in all my ar15’s and Ar .308/6.5’s. They are super quiet and smooth. This is much cheaper than buying overpriced Jp buffer set ups.
Have you have issues with the 2 stage ? Mine hit the 1k rounds and started giving me failure to feed, causing my bolt to chew the brass lol. I swapped out to my standard buffer system < I always keep in My rifle bag>
And bam back in action ate and spat the brass with no problems.
When I got home I took the 2 stage apart and cleaned it up, wasn't that dirty to be honest. But I know there's more parts moving in between so that could cause a failure.
@@MRD0889 I would replace the springs’ they are a consumable part. In my particular case’ all my Ar’s including my Ar .308/6.5 have lightweight titanium bcgs and adjustable gas blocks so my recoil is less and so is the reciprocating mass. I have over 1k thru my 10.5 with an frt 15 and 1k thru my 16” ar-15 and my .308 AR. I do have spare springs for all the parts for all my rifles and hand guns including springs for my armaspec buffers. I do have standard buffers and buffer springs too. I bet your springs are weak and need to be replaced’ they are consumable parts that don’t last forever. Ill keep a close eye on mine to see if they start to fail to feed but right now they seem fine.
@@Fuckyouyoutube777 damn tho .. 1k rounds and springs just fail 🥲
I run a bootleg BCG, when I'm not running suppressed I eject nicely 3 o'clock and when I'm running it with my Wolfman I switch it to S for full suppressed to let them gasses out. I eject almost 4 o'clock.
I mean I'm gonna give it another 200 round run next weekend, if it truly is the springs and not just the light grime, I'm gonna have to go back to boring noisy spring and buffer 🙃🙃
But yea keep an eye and let me know if you get any weirdness out of them after 600 ish rounds
You can pay for quality.. of you can buy crap. Always your choice man.
@@MRD0889 I run a 10.5" 7.62x39 carbine AR pistol with the 2 stage Gen 2 H3 Armaspec rn but before I was using that I had the Geisselle Super 42 braided spring with an H2 buffer. I didn't particularly care for a quieter action, I wanted the 2 stage system to reduce that heavy recoil from the buffer bottoming out, and i wanted more reliable feeding. I'm gonna have to do some more shooting with it but the difference in felt recoil is really noticeable. However much like you, I immediately noticed it caused more damage to my brass, it almost shows signs of increased pressure on the rim of the cartridge which is really strange. I think this issue would be solved by armaspec simply making a stronger spring available to replace the first "stage" long spring.
Now, I'm also using an enhanced extractor/bcg, so I may just have too much tension on the casings but I'm not sure..
Interesting I'll take a look at this upgrade.
The buffer weight on these is 1 solid piece and the difference between this compared to JP’s loose buffer weight is the JP design reduce carrier bounce.
Could you explain this a bit more? I'm deciding between this one or the JP's. Thank you.
@@georgemillette9720 watch 3:51 through 3:55 and pay attention to the very end of the buffer cycling forward and you’ll see the bolt “bounce” when it chambers the next round. The JP assembly inhibits bolt bounce, having a solid buffer weight keeps you from being able to stop bounce
@@stephen_crumley thank you
Bolt bounce doesn’t matter and does nothing on a semi AR, only full auto which doesnt apply to most of us I would think
@@michaelnyden8056jp system is still a better system, cope.
A very unique design!
Was planning to upgrade my buffer system to a captured buffer, I'm glad I came across this! This system seems to be the best of all of them. Thanks for putting this out, I'll purchase for all my ARs
What makes it the "best of all of them"?
@@derekturner3272 these don't have the failure points you'll get from JP and other captured buffers, as they don't have the o-rings between the buffer weights that eventually wear down. The entire system is held together with a tension pin, instead of a screw with loc-tite, so recoil shouldn't affect it over time like in the JP's. All around I feel this is a better system design 🤷
@@matthewschmitt2454 Thanks! I've made all mine, and when I see a cool new design, I often machine something up to get a better look at it. The orings and "loose" weights on the JP system provide some "hysteresis" that some say is good/needed. But so far, I've heard no compelling argument that gains my agreement on that point. I, like you, don't like betting my life on Loctite. So, any design that removes failure points is all goodness.
@@derekturner3272 I agree, to take a basic buffer and spring system that works, and voluntarily add failure points, probably isn't the best decision. However, this system is what I was waiting for 😉
@@matthewschmitt2454 I've never had an issue with the JP enterprise buffer assembly. You act like replacing o-rings is an expensive and hard thing to do. You just sound like a lazy person who doesn't take care of their stuff if you're crying about o-rings needing to be replaced. That screw has never backed out on me either in both an AR-15 and LR-308 platform.
I have an SMB-H in both my AR 15 (5.56 mid length 16" barrel) and Banshee 9 mm. Smooth quiet action and noticeably lighter recoil in both guns. I ordered direct from Armaspec. I wouldn't order from Delta Team. I've seen to many bad reviews and complaints. Armaspec took 2 1/2 weeks for delivery. kind of to slow for me.
Just bought the SMB Gen3. Although it DOES eliminate the annoying“twang” you get with a standard buffer spring, it is EXTREMELY difficult to remove from the buffer tube. The hammer is in the way and you have to force it out pretty hard. Still not sure I’m keeping it but it works fine.
By hammer do you mean buffer detent?I want to buy one but really don't have the time for the bullshit just to get the twang to go away...
No, I’m referring to the hammer that strikes the firing pin. The detent is an inconvenience at most. But due to the fact that the SMB is a solid steel rod, it doesn’t bend out of the way the buffer and spring does.
You can kind of see it in this video @1:45. In the video, the SMB buffer is resting on top of the hammer. However, once it is installed, when you try to remove the SMB, the bolt-side face of the SMB buffer rests against the back of the hammer when it is cocked and it takes some serious elbow grease to get it past the hammer. Uncocking the hammer doesn’t help either because then it just becomes even taller.
Well big dog I guess that’s true but as long as you don’t have a dimpled backing ring you can also just back out the buffer tube which I guess would take more time but could be less of a headache.
😅 or you can just press the hammer down it has a small amount of travel left in it and it's plenty to pull out the smb
@@loviticuss I have an aero precision lower and that is the first thing I tried. Not enough post-travel to allow the SMB to come out of the buffer tube. The buffer tube is almost in line with the top of the lower receiver. If YOUR hammer goes down far enough to let the SMB out of the buffer tube, something is probably broken. WIth all due respect, do you actually own an SMB, or are you just spitballing here?
So far, I've decided to keep it in but it's still not any easier to remove. It's not something I clean that often anyway so it should be fine.
Looks like a nice improved buffer system
Experimentation with different ideas is great, as long as safety isn’t compromised.
We agree. Safety is important.
It works great! Quieter suppressed and smoother impulse...
Great information.
Just got one to be able to use my rifle without the buffer retention pin, without parts flying out.
Like the smooth super quiet buffer system
That's a great idea!
I have one and it works well.
I gotta try this!!
I found it it’s not too bad with carbines, however, that would be really really cool in fixed stock rifles.
I like the non-contact of the spring aspect of the system. Any parts that mitigate direct contact are always akin to longer life.
Might give this a try
Thanks
Gonna give it a try.
Applying a thin layer of lubricant to the buffer tube can significantly enhance its performance. Even a small amount of lubricant can make a substantial difference.
These are great!
Gonna have to check one out
Great info as usual
If and when I decide to upgrade I'll take a closer look at this. How does it effect felt recoil?
Like the idea of quiet buffers
1Does this aid in your AR shooting flat, like the JP Enterprise silent buffer system? Please respond!
May have to buy one and try it
I just wish there was a full rifle length travel one. Might have to turn one, looks simple enough to modify
I have the 2nd genius quieter but the stock spring will outlast the armaspec. It uses 1911 springs.
Which weight should I use with my 300 blackout, 10” SBR, pistol length gas tube?
What model I should use on my AR15 16inch barrel chamber on 556? Will love to swap the buffer and the noisy springs
Do you know if I will need a spacer when putting this in a pistol buffer?
I definitely need one
Great product!
I got a couple of questions. Please excuse me if I missed it in the video. 1) Are these mil-spec or commercial parts? And more importantly!! 2) Where can I get a buffer tube like the one in the video!?
Do you have to install the washer for this system?
Now that is interesting!!
I think I need this.
I can see that it is "quieter" but I've never encountered a regular buffer that I would call noisy compared to everything else happening at the same time. I guess this design is "better" in some other ways that could make it worth choosing this compared to spending about the same for a buffer and spring, but how many people are shopping for a buffer and spring that aren't already part of the gun or a kit.
I've gotta get one of those!
Interesting information
Too many words. Simply stated: It's a captive spring that's smaller than the diameter of the housing but larger than the guide rod it sits on. Thus, none of the points that're compressing can encounter friction ... and it's the friction that creates that nasty noise. You can of course "tighten" the stock buffer spring to make the radius smaller by exceeding the elastic deformation into plastic deformation. But this product looks well made, to better tolerances. It's Gucci. Enjoy it.
I love the cutaway buffer tube. Does gas get out of it?
Good Information.
Will this work with a rifle buffer tube? And what weight would you use in a rifle?
What buffer is the best for a 9mm direct blow system ? with a 16" inch barrel ?
That's pretty cool
Are you running a carbin gas system or a mid length??? I’m interested in getting the H2, which is 4.7 ounces but I see some people with lighter and I see some people with heavier. I want to know what’s best for a mid gas system 16 inch barrel.!!!
Nice to know
Awesome.
Very cool
For just a direct replacement for a milspec ar15 what size/weight do i need to pick?
What's the difference between this and the SRS they have on their site? Is that one just newer? Couldn't tell from the info on their site
Can you adjust the length? I had to unscrew my tube to get it to seat. Any better way?
Can I keep the retainer pin in? Would it damage the face of the buffer?
these really make the weapon smooth and make any feel premium, add a rise drop in trigger and this into a cheap AR and wow
And wow it's still cheap and you should have spent the money on a better trigger
A tiny little spring is not an upgrade over stock unless you don't mind constantly replacing a worn out spring every 1k rounds. These systems and the SCS are not duty gun or defensive gun parts-- they are gamer toys and perfectly fine if you understand that you are significantly reducing the reliability of the system.
What spring would you use for 7.62x39?
Awesome 😎
looks good
A ver si me puedes orientar, alguna razón por la q mi ar suena execivamente?
This is a very interesting video.