Has any one noticed that the Gen 3 shown in the video is a different design than what's being sold in Law Tactical Website as Gen-3M? I can't find the one shown in the video!
The law only adds about 10.5 ounces or a bit over 1/2 a lbs to a weapons’ weight. Love mine on my 10.3” pistol. My AR pistol fully kitted out with 30 rounds, eotech XPS-3, streamlight TLR-1 flashlight, law folder, sba3 brace, and back up iron sights weighs just under 9lbs, which is heavy-ish, but gives more than enough functionality for a 0-150yrd back pack gun that actually has some firepower, so that offsets the weight to me.
Solid review. I bought one back when they were $200 and didn't end up liking it. The weight was noticeable, it didn't have much tension when closed, and in the vehicle I preferred having the buffer tube extended so it was easier to grab. Good option for a bag gun, if that's your thing.
Law tactical is releasing their proprietary BCG that let you fire with the stock fold that as much as you want it should release next month they've been working on it for about 6 years I'm hyped
After doing some research and watching this vid about 6 months ago I bought the LT folder for my PSA 7.5" 300BLK. Absolutely love it 👍 Thanks for making this review!
I like it because I can carry an 11.3" in a vertx gamut overland along with a suppresor, G45, mags, medkit, chest rig, water, snacks and various other crap for a range day in a decently discreet package. Lugging around a big case and side pack is a chore.
Put one on my 300 blk a little over a year ago for my daily bag gun.....since the day i installed it i havent touched the hardware and i manipulate it every day and its been solid as a rock...even after hundreds of rounds.....close to a thousand for sure...i shot a lot when 300 was easy to find....now not so much lol
Finally got one after 8 years of wanting to get it. Great addition, but wow, is it heavy. My PWS Mk116 with a vortex LVPO was already heavy enough, but the LAW noticeably increased the weight.
My bro sent me notification Brownell over the weekend, bought one, received final invoice stating it shipped. Pretty excited, still don't know if I'm gonna install it on my 7.5 springfield, I just figured it'd be best to buy it for shits n giggles
It was a “no brainer” for me. I got one. Love it. Highly innovative. Makes the AR platform much easier to conceal and transport from home to truck, or in a bag- be creative. :)
Betcha a piece of pvc would work in a pinch (only closed and locked). Only talkin about a battle field repair scenario i.e original fell out, o rings loose exc. We used to use pvc as a makeshift spacer on extended Harley frontends to get the right amount of spring pre load. Usualy held up longer than the fork seals and the springs.
As if the review wasn’t good enough, you close with a Pennywise tune….shit ya. Well done. Put one on my Banshee 5.7 (love it) and just grabbed one for a 7.5” 556 pistol. Wanted to see what the YT crowd thought and your review confirms it all. Well done
True BUUUUUUT Law is about to come out with a modified bcg that doesn't need the buffer tube, and there's another company that already makes them, but the waitlist AFTER purchasing... currently is at 2 years! lol I agree, MCX is the shit.
@@tseawell90 Proprietary, yes, for many of them. But super durable and high-quality which is why I like the platform. Always good to buy extra parts of whichever platform one chooses. Just look how hard it is to get MANY AR parts right now. Should be a lesson to everyone.
Did you notice any changes in performance? The bolt extension weighs around 2oz which adds to the overall buffer weight and I had to make a minor adjustment to my adjustable gas block to get the same ejection pattern.
Hey can you do a tutorial on using the sling with the stock folded I'm interested in getting the adapter but I would like to use a sling with it and I'm not sure how it's going to work out for me if you can please show me yours I'd appreciate it
An issue which is actually kind of a non-issue I ran into was I couldn't get my 10.3 DD to lock back on last round using weak ammo, ie wolf steel, with the law tactical and Geissele Super 42 installed even after replacing all tungsten weights with steel. I suspect it's because the super 42 spring is too strong and the bcg extension bumps a std carbine buffer to a H2/H3 weight. If you run suppressed or use full power ammo this won't affect you at all but just thought I'd share my experience.
I love my Law Folder, it is just the right fit when you are building compact AR's. Makes piling into a vehicle a lot easier too. SOLGW Soul Snatcher / FCD Furniture, 9" 300BLK
Hello hope you are doing well. why did you change your buffer? is it because a lot of people face issues with the SW and Law tactical stock adapter with subs? just ordered one and now on the Q facebook page several people wrote about the issue...just wondering if you faced the same and if so what was the solution? thanks in advance
oof I didn't know it weighed so much. it's definitely cool but I can't see a scenario in which I'd prefer stowing slightly smaller over 10+ ounces of weight. maybe in extremely specialized use cases.
Great video Ivan. Which JP SCS part are you using in your Sugar Weasel? I think I'd need this one for mine (JPSCS2-15H2-LAW) but wanted to ensure I don't need the H2 version. Thanks for all you do.
I have a Sylvan arms folder and its only a couple oz.. it's held up about a year now with no noticable funk or play or signs of fail yet.. just saying.. it's good sofar... The law tac unit is tight and has better mechine work.. it's better for sure
Got the $20 knockoff. Needs finessing but once sorted it works fine. Drilled and tapped worm screws near hinge on inside to keep slop to a minimum. 18 months, 1k rounds of 7.62x39 on pistol length gas system.
I got one, and it’s not machined tight enough to stay straight when closed pretty annoying because I got it installed and got to the range before I noticed. The gun doesn’t cycle.
Awesome video! Have you ran into buffer issues, ie. The bolt adapter adding more weight to the carrier causing cycling issues? Have you had to go to a lesser weight buffer?
I use the standard carbine buffer and with the plug it has made the gun more pleasant to shoot. Almost like adding a heavier buffer for my clearly over-grassed home build 😒! But at least it has never had cycling issues before or after the law install lol.
Another great video brotha! I just ordered my law tactical for my Springfield saint victor 7.5 and can't want to install it!!! How is yours hold up since making this video/can we get an update for this video?
I have no extra ammo to shoot why am I buying another product to shoot an empty rifle? I have given up on my love of shooting for the next 6 months and focus on my other loves of fishing and hunting. I use to shoot a 1000 rounds a month between all my rifles and pistols. Who knew primers would cute my legs off. I refused to given into people selling ammo at double price!!!
If you’re waiting for prices to get back to where they were youll be waiting a lot longer than 6 months. The price of everything has increased. From raw materials to shipping and labor. Add in huge increase in demand and governments printing vasts sums of money and prices will probably never be back to 2019 levels.
@@ryanpeck3377 not waiting on prices to return to pre_Biden just waiting on store supply back to normal/people to stop the panic buying. Everything is going up, I understand that concept!
The sylvan arms version works perfectly although it adds a bit more overall length than law tactical's. Not sure if that's the "Chinese knock-off" you're referring to. I'll take the price cut over the added length personally.
Interesting product. Bad idea for a SHTF bugout gun. Too many things that can go wrong or a part that is proprietary and can’t be easily replaced. Would be nice for a truck gun just for driving around the ranch or whatnot.
I'll have to look into that JP captured system. That's probably the only annoyance I have with the LAW folder ( trivial as it may be) is I either have to shimmy the upper forward and up to disassemble, or yank the plug. Other than that super minor thing the LAW folder rocks. Great vid.
I just take out both push pins and cant the upper away from the lower and separate since it’s faster than fidgeting with the folder and having to deal with a loose plug. It goes back together easily with a twist after some practice. It’s actually faster than folding the buffer tube, removing the plug, securing the plug somewhere, re-closing the buffer to accessing and push the take down pin, then hitting the forward assist to clear the bolt carrier forward enough, and then the finally clamshelling the weapon open.
It's an expensive addition to add to my dirt squirrel. Adding a $200 part to a $2500 honey badger, not as much. There is a cheaper folder on the market it does most of what this does, but looks like the law folds further in against the gun. The cheaper one sits at a slight cant when it's fully folded. But I believe it's like $100 cheaper so 🤷♂️
@@alexgrifaldo I own both… The law is the better unit, but the Sylvan does work, but on mine the buffer detent is too low and it will launch the spring and buffer out the receiver extension from time to time if you don’t cover it with your thumb when opening. The law folder doesn’t have that defect. I’m sure I just got a bad one since I haven’t seen many of this complaint. The law is on my backpack gun, the Sylvan is sitting on a receiver I haven’t built yet since I got the Law 🥴.
You can find the Law Folder here: tinyurl.com/2kdbf7p4
Did you have in stock for this, can you fire single shot Ozzy damage to the vulture group for gas system? Seems like you would have nowhere to go
Can you use a JO captured buffer for select fire?
Has any one noticed that the Gen 3 shown in the video is a different design than what's being sold in Law Tactical Website as Gen-3M? I can't find the one shown in the video!
The 17 Design folding stripped lower is a better, cheaper option. Mine measures a LOP of 13 3/8", with brace in rearward position.
What is your opinion on the whistle tip? My TP is in jail and I'd like something to protect my light until it is free. Any downsides?
Law folder is also a functional way to move the balance of the gun rearward if you have a very front heavy set up
Yes. I was surprised how heavy it was. I run a suppressor and the LAW folder really helped balance it.
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Love my LAW - makes storing my "truck gun" a lot easier and keeping the profile much lower.
My case looks like a standard nothing case.
I love my law folder, wish they weren't so expensive though.
It’s a rip off but , they know it’s the best one out there so they can charge what ever they want 😂
The law only adds about 10.5 ounces or a bit over 1/2 a lbs to a weapons’ weight. Love mine on my 10.3” pistol. My AR pistol fully kitted out with 30 rounds, eotech XPS-3, streamlight TLR-1 flashlight, law folder, sba3 brace, and back up iron sights weighs just under 9lbs, which is heavy-ish, but gives more than enough functionality for a 0-150yrd back pack gun that actually has some firepower, so that offsets the weight to me.
Solid review. I bought one back when they were $200 and didn't end up liking it. The weight was noticeable, it didn't have much tension when closed, and in the vehicle I preferred having the buffer tube extended so it was easier to grab. Good option for a bag gun, if that's your thing.
My only concern is the BCG extension falling out when folded for transportation. It needs a stronger locking mechanism.
Law tactical is releasing their proprietary BCG that let you fire with the stock fold that as much as you want it should release next month they've been working on it for about 6 years I'm hyped
After doing some research and watching this vid about 6 months ago I bought the LT folder for my PSA 7.5" 300BLK. Absolutely love it 👍
Thanks for making this review!
I’ll just spend my money on more mags. Cool upgrade thought.
I like it because I can carry an 11.3" in a vertx gamut overland along with a suppresor, G45, mags, medkit, chest rig, water, snacks and various other crap for a range day in a decently discreet package. Lugging around a big case and side pack is a chore.
WHOA! I just bought one of these. Black of course.
Put one on my 300 blk a little over a year ago for my daily bag gun.....since the day i installed it i havent touched the hardware and i manipulate it every day and its been solid as a rock...even after hundreds of rounds.....close to a thousand for sure...i shot a lot when 300 was easy to find....now not so much lol
At all lol can’t find it lol
Finally got one after 8 years of wanting to get it. Great addition, but wow, is it heavy. My PWS Mk116 with a vortex LVPO was already heavy enough, but the LAW noticeably increased the weight.
My bro sent me notification Brownell over the weekend, bought one, received final invoice stating it shipped. Pretty excited, still don't know if I'm gonna install it on my 7.5 springfield, I just figured it'd be best to buy it for shits n giggles
It was a “no brainer” for me. I got one. Love it. Highly innovative. Makes the AR platform much easier to conceal and transport from home to truck, or in a bag- be creative. :)
'half the cost , 1/4 of the quality'. im going to use that sir. love your videos. no bs. just real life gun stuff. keep shooting.
Love mine, need to find another in stock
Same
Thank you on the heads up on the installation, I will take a closer look on my and add locktite.
I need that big foot shirt RN Kit Badger!
There's just something satisfying about deploy folding stocks, flip up sights, pocket knives, sub2000s...
nothing could be more true when you said 1/2 price 1/4 quality. but I think you were being generous.
Betcha a piece of pvc would work in a pinch (only closed and locked). Only talkin about a battle field repair scenario i.e original fell out, o rings loose exc. We used to use pvc as a makeshift spacer on extended Harley frontends to get the right amount of spring pre load. Usualy held up longer than the fork seals and the springs.
Nice looking rig
As if the review wasn’t good enough, you close with a Pennywise tune….shit ya. Well done. Put one on my Banshee 5.7 (love it) and just grabbed one for a 7.5” 556 pistol. Wanted to see what the YT crowd thought and your review confirms it all.
Well done
Daniel Defense installed my Law Tactical on A DDM4V7P. Hope they did it right. 🤔
I am curious if this would actually fix "Carrier tilt" Issue of Gas Piston ARs.
I plan on installing on on my POF Edge P415 Gas Piston AR.
Nice rig. Love the clear coat
"Less inches"...
"Smaller package"...🤔
This sounds like the OPPOSITE of what I'm looking for.
I’m sure you will find a guy with more inches and a larger package. 😂
@@graynotescartridgebox I see what you did there 😏
That's what she said...
There's always a bigger fish
You're looking for "packages"? That means you're gay and likely a democrat...trust me, i'm a pro.
Love mine, great bug out addition
Very informative. The complexity tho... One of the reasons I'm a fan of the MCX/Virtus platform over AR.
True BUUUUUUT Law is about to come out with a modified bcg that doesn't need the buffer tube, and there's another company that already makes them, but the waitlist AFTER purchasing... currently is at 2 years! lol I agree, MCX is the shit.
My thoughts as well. Considering I usually spend close to 2 grand on a build, I’d be open to having a virtus for a little more money.
ar parts are plentiful and inexpensive. Not a fan of proprietary niche components.
@@tseawell90 Proprietary, yes, for many of them. But super durable and high-quality which is why I like the platform. Always good to buy extra parts of whichever platform one chooses. Just look how hard it is to get MANY AR parts right now. Should be a lesson to everyone.
another option is the BRN-180 or Galil Ace gen 2 in 556
Put them on any short AR. Love them.
Did you notice any changes in performance? The bolt extension weighs around 2oz which adds to the overall buffer weight and I had to make a minor adjustment to my adjustable gas block to get the same ejection pattern.
Slyvan Arms has a nice gen 4 as well
Hey can you do a tutorial on using the sling with the stock folded I'm interested in getting the adapter but I would like to use a sling with it and I'm not sure how it's going to work out for me if you can please show me yours I'd appreciate it
An issue which is actually kind of a non-issue I ran into was I couldn't get my 10.3 DD to lock back on last round using weak ammo, ie wolf steel, with the law tactical and Geissele Super 42 installed even after replacing all tungsten weights with steel. I suspect it's because the super 42 spring is too strong and the bcg extension bumps a std carbine buffer to a H2/H3 weight. If you run suppressed or use full power ammo this won't affect you at all but just thought I'd share my experience.
That makes sense, it’s definitely something to think about
Dude, love the intro tunes!!!
I love my Law Folder, it is just the right fit when you are building compact AR's. Makes piling into a vehicle a lot easier too. SOLGW Soul Snatcher / FCD Furniture, 9" 300BLK
Ever since I mine on my BCM my 220gr subs fail to cycle about 10% of the time. I even went down lighter to a standard carbine buffer.
Hello hope you are doing well. why did you change your buffer? is it because a lot of people face issues with the SW and Law tactical stock adapter with subs? just ordered one and now on the Q facebook page several people wrote about the issue...just wondering if you faced the same and if so what was the solution? thanks in advance
Dead Foot Arms has a folder you can fire closed; requires a separate entire end setup but is another option.
over $400 worth of options lol but the Dead Foot folding set up is nice though.
It's also twice as expensive
@@killacamfoo making it twice as good.
Nice review!
Real excited to put one of these on my ar
Any appreciable difference between the Gen2 and Gen3?
From what I can tell, one big difference is the Gen3 captures the plunger. My Gen2 don't do that.
oof I didn't know it weighed so much. it's definitely cool but I can't see a scenario in which I'd prefer stowing slightly smaller over 10+ ounces of weight. maybe in extremely specialized use cases.
Im surprised that more companies haven't made updated bufferless ar15 bolts so u don't need the tub at all or at least not a big ass one
Great video Ivan. Which JP SCS part are you using in your Sugar Weasel? I think I'd need this one for mine (JPSCS2-15H2-LAW) but wanted to ensure I don't need the H2 version. Thanks for all you do.
which one you end up ordering?
This just gave me direction on my next build! Nice, not sure if I’ll get this one but I’m interested in a folding stock option
Definitely get thisone. Expensive, but so worth it
Are these compatible with the CMMG 9mm Banshee AR-style pistols?
SN 1. Awesome.
I have a Sylvan arms folder and its only a couple oz.. it's held up about a year now with no noticable funk or play or signs of fail yet.. just saying.. it's good sofar... The law tac unit is tight and has better mechine work.. it's better for sure
Got the $20 knockoff. Needs finessing but once sorted it works fine. Drilled and tapped worm screws near hinge on inside to keep slop to a minimum. 18 months, 1k rounds of 7.62x39 on pistol length gas system.
I added one to my AR now my when I pull back on my charging handle my bolt carrier is getting stuck in my buffer tube
I wonder how well the Brown would match a midnight bronze AR finish
Ever since I put mine on my 9in BCM 300blk, my 220gr subs fail to cycle about 10% of the time. I even went down lighter to a standard carbine buffer.
Might have to add gas. You added weight to the buffer with the extension so that makes sense.
@@adlucem9845 I got the lighter KAK bcg extension and now it functions.
Thanks for this, it helped me decided to put it on my rifle.
this is a mile stone in the A R world . genius invention . hall of fame stuff
I got one, and it’s not machined tight enough to stay straight when closed pretty annoying because I got it installed and got to the range before I noticed. The gun doesn’t cycle.
but sadly a ubr still wont work on the law folder
Excellent review. Thank you.
Is that AR rocking dual front posts, one in the rear one in the front @1:29
I've got a LTFSA on just about every AR I own.
I have two of these now.
Nice shirt! Subbed and liked!
How are you connecting your sling to the back of your folder?
I am
I have a question regarding this product for my dream build, will this work with the AR recoil opperated Lage Max11/15?
Brownells has them in stock
Great Video. Thanks. What is the name of that sling.
What sling attachment is that on the front of the sling?
It's called a wire loop and are supposed to be for AK's. It's probably from Blue Force Gear.
Does the hinge side get in the way of charging the gun from the left side with your left hand?
Awesome video! Have you ran into buffer issues, ie. The bolt adapter adding more weight to the carrier causing cycling issues? Have you had to go to a lesser weight buffer?
I did with my 10.5 build. Went from a h2 to a h1.
@@kimboyonkers same situation with my mark 18, it wouldn't cycle with an h2 buffer, went to an h1, runs like a champ
I have an adjustable gas block and run suppressed. I had to make adjustments to my gas. The extension adds about 2 ounces.
I use the standard carbine buffer and with the plug it has made the gun more pleasant to shoot. Almost like adding a heavier buffer for my clearly over-grassed home build 😒! But at least it has never had cycling issues before or after the law install lol.
Great review!
Another great video brotha! I just ordered my law tactical for my Springfield saint victor 7.5 and can't want to install it!!! How is yours hold up since making this video/can we get an update for this video?
I have no extra ammo to shoot why am I buying another product to shoot an empty rifle? I have given up on my love of shooting for the next 6 months and focus on my other loves of fishing and hunting. I use to shoot a 1000 rounds a month between all my rifles and pistols. Who knew primers would cute my legs off. I refused to given into people selling ammo at double price!!!
If you’re waiting for prices to get back to where they were youll be waiting a lot longer than 6 months. The price of everything has increased. From raw materials to shipping and labor. Add in huge increase in demand and governments printing vasts sums of money and prices will probably never be back to 2019 levels.
@@ryanpeck3377 not waiting on prices to return to pre_Biden just waiting on store supply back to normal/people to stop the panic buying. Everything is going up, I understand that concept!
The sylvan arms version works perfectly although it adds a bit more overall length than law tactical's. Not sure if that's the "Chinese knock-off" you're referring to. I'll take the price cut over the added length personally.
The *gen 3* Sylvan arms functions correctly. Gotta let everyone know, only the gen 3 is even worth considering
It is made in America. At least that's what my Sylvan Arms Gen 2 stock adapter says on the instruction sheet.
As usual .....best gear....nice gun
Great review, very informative 👍🏼
Interesting product. Bad idea for a SHTF bugout gun. Too many things that can go wrong or a part that is proprietary and can’t be easily replaced. Would be nice for a truck gun just for driving around the ranch or whatnot.
What JP silent capture spring did you choose for the sugar weasel and did you have to adjust the weight?
I had one on my SBR. Yea it is cool, but I took it off and sold it. Due to added weight and increased LOP.
What’s the max LOP before a Ar pistol becomes to the ATF “A FULL LENGTH RIFLE”?
Love the content as always
Nice folder 😉
Will it work on a CMMG MK9?
Any reliability issues?
what is that brake/comp you have on that?
Anyone have any experience with the APF built-in folding? I have one but not much time on it.
Where did you get the hearing protection from?
What colors are those?
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong .
Great review.
Good review
So it should work with an ADAMS ARMS piston system?
If you have a piston system there's way better options for way cheaper.
@@adlucem9845 I have a silent capture spring so it goes with it in a conversion kit.
Would you prefer that over a FoldAR, when both can't be fired unfolded?
I believe the Law folder can fire an emergency shot when folded, but won't cycle
I'll have to look into that JP captured system. That's probably the only annoyance I have with the LAW folder ( trivial as it may be) is I either have to shimmy the upper forward and up to disassemble, or yank the plug. Other than that super minor thing the LAW folder rocks.
Great vid.
You still have to remove the plug for disassembly.
Check out a 17 design integrated folding lower. Comes with a proprietary buffer that doesn't interfere with removing the upper from the lower.
I just take out both push pins and cant the upper away from the lower and separate since it’s faster than fidgeting with the folder and having to deal with a loose plug. It goes back together easily with a twist after some practice. It’s actually faster than folding the buffer tube, removing the plug, securing the plug somewhere, re-closing the buffer to accessing and push the take down pin, then hitting the forward assist to clear the bolt carrier forward enough, and then the finally clamshelling the weapon open.
Great review. Putting my order in now. What sling are you using?
It's an expensive addition to add to my dirt squirrel. Adding a $200 part to a $2500 honey badger, not as much. There is a cheaper folder on the market it does most of what this does, but looks like the law folds further in against the gun. The cheaper one sits at a slight cant when it's fully folded. But I believe it's like $100 cheaper so 🤷♂️
Do you know the brand of that cheaper adapter?
@@alexgrifaldo Sylvan Arms. About $100 cheaper...
@@alexgrifaldo I own both… The law is the better unit, but the Sylvan does work, but on mine the buffer detent is too low and it will launch the spring and buffer out the receiver extension from time to time if you don’t cover it with your thumb when opening. The law folder doesn’t have that defect. I’m sure I just got a bad one since I haven’t seen many of this complaint. The law is on my backpack gun, the Sylvan is sitting on a receiver I haven’t built yet since I got the Law 🥴.
bad ass
What hand stop is that ??
Do they make one for ZPAP85 with an SBA3 tube on it?
Sb braces fit on normal ar reciever extensions/buffer tubes. I'm sure they make an adapter to put a tube on the back of a pap.
Good stuff
can i take of the back stock and shoot the gun still
Yes, but you will only get ONE shot. No buffer tube, no cycle. It will NOT damage the firearm.
Maaaahvelous!! That is an awesome accessory! Go tiny or go home!!