Why Microsoft Betrayed C418 (+ HUGE Discovery!)

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  • @masahirosakurai64
    @masahirosakurai64 ปีที่แล้ว +3937

    The way I see it, C418 wants to continue owning his own music while Microsoft wants to own the rights of vanilla Minecraft's content. Owning his music means Microsoft can use it in other forms of the ip like in spinoff games.

    • @Wbfuhn
      @Wbfuhn ปีที่แล้ว +123

      It's a big considerable possibility.

    • @rudrasingh6354
      @rudrasingh6354 ปีที่แล้ว +309

      Exactly. This is why they couldn't use classic music in Smash Bros and i think they got some from Dungeons instead

    • @masahirosakurai64
      @masahirosakurai64 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @@rudrasingh6354 Yep. Dungeons and the console edition minigames

    • @toycat
      @toycat  ปีที่แล้ว +640

      It's pretty reasonable from both sides, they both want something seen as "normal" from their own perspectives

    • @jameswesten2018
      @jameswesten2018 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      ​@@toycat dang c418 looks kinda like he could be your brother 😺

  • @totalgv9155
    @totalgv9155 ปีที่แล้ว +1555

    I’ve started to notice his music has been playing less and less frequently in my worlds

    • @cube-d
      @cube-d ปีที่แล้ว +102

      same

    • @Polska_Edits
      @Polska_Edits ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Same

    • @tiktok-mc2nq
      @tiktok-mc2nq ปีที่แล้ว +146

      Yeah, it looks like I am not only one who noticed this

    • @RepeatedAxe
      @RepeatedAxe ปีที่แล้ว +270

      Yeah, there's no way that's a coincidence, especially since there is more old than new music

    • @shannonriley1751
      @shannonriley1751 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      it's really sad, his music is so beautiful and so nostalgic to so many people

  • @Villagerslime
    @Villagerslime ปีที่แล้ว +577

    When the terraria music played, I realized that terraria and Minecraft go at very different paces. Minecraft more slow and calm, but in terraria you can always see constant movement no matter where you go. The reason that the town day song would never work in Minecraft is purely because of the pace difference of the games.

    • @dascreeb5205
      @dascreeb5205 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Also terraria has environmental music which changes a lot, I really hate mojangs pointless, almost defiant incompetence.

    • @pixleplays305
      @pixleplays305 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@dascreeb5205 im not trying to argue, but there are reasons why minecraft doesnt have music constantly playing, some games like skyrim and terraria have constant music, but minecraft wouldnt feel the same at all if it had that too. plus, it adds a sense of joy when you DO get to listen to the beautifull melodies that the game has to offer, its a style choice, and i personally like that choice! and dont get me wrong, i LOVE terrarias music and skyrims dynamicly changing soundtrack, but they wouldnt fit as well in minecrfat for me. end of rant.

    • @dascreeb5205
      @dascreeb5205 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@pixleplays305 no, I mean it has no dynamic music.
      I never want to listen to it while I'm playing it because the game doesn't make me want to.

    • @basedcheese1
      @basedcheese1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@dascreeb5205It's because the soundtrack itself would be too short if it was dynamic. Said C418 himself when he composed the track all the way back. Though, with the fact that there are bosses there is reason to make battle music but ever since the decision to make the soundtrack ambient it has stayed that way.

    • @dascreeb5205
      @dascreeb5205 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@basedcheese1 doesn't make it good.

  • @RepeatedAxe
    @RepeatedAxe ปีที่แล้ว +945

    I really hope Mojang brings 4J Studios back, Bedrock runs terribly on consoles, so having them focus on that aspect would probably help with the game. Or at least letting them bring in the mini-games in some form to Bedrock

    • @Athlete_Steve
      @Athlete_Steve ปีที่แล้ว +251

      4J Studios made minecraft so much better

    • @DrowsyBelt95670
      @DrowsyBelt95670 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Athlete_Steve agreed

    • @Thumb_
      @Thumb_ ปีที่แล้ว +164

      It takes half an hour for the new minecraft on Xbox one to load.
      The old one, however, despite it being outdated, literally takes 39 seconds.
      Microsoft moment.
      Edit: as of now it seems to perform much better. Took a while.

    • @koolkatzjoey1717
      @koolkatzjoey1717 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      i still play Wii U minecraft minigames sometimes, the servers re still up the last time i played

    • @RepeatedAxe
      @RepeatedAxe ปีที่แล้ว +87

      @@Thumb_ the fact that certain mobile devices have more render distance than the New gen consoles, and nearly every other device loads up the game faster than the consoles is insane

  • @AmDemoo
    @AmDemoo ปีที่แล้ว +2509

    Minecraft has just become a money farming method for Microsoft. It's c418s music that still gives Minecraft its nostalgic vibe and now they want it gone just for money
    Edit: I'm not saying the new music is bad, in fact lena raine produces amazing new music like otherside and infinite amethyst but nothing can quite compare with volume alpha and beta.

    • @thetruetrident
      @thetruetrident ปีที่แล้ว +278

      Its not just the nostalgia. C418 was a musical genius, and Lena Raine cant reproduce his style.

    • @darkdest6664
      @darkdest6664 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      thats why i dont trust microcock and their scummy buisness practices. seriously getting hard to even want to play block game anymore because of it.

    • @anthonypena3322
      @anthonypena3322 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It’s Minecraft’s responsibility to make a return on investment to its shareholders. Don’t blame the player blame the game.

    • @linkedlord343
      @linkedlord343 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      @@anthonypena3322 it's not their" responsibility " , you can still make money with a good game , do you enjoy seeing games ruined by corporate greed?

    • @gothenmosph5151
      @gothenmosph5151 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Should a company care enough about your nostalgia that they're willing to spend money for it? No one spends money on Micecraft IP to hear music. Having music enhances the game but that can be done with tons of different music. What you don't find to be nostalgic will become nostalgic for someone else playing the game for the first time.

  • @TheTrollMastah
    @TheTrollMastah ปีที่แล้ว +864

    Nothing beats OG C418. I love ALL of his music on Minecraft. Wait, Cat, Far, Ward etc discs are absolutely supreme.
    I like Otherside and Pigstep but they don’t feel as Minecraft-esque

    • @cement_eater
      @cement_eater ปีที่แล้ว +80

      How can you hype up c418’s discs without mentioning stal

    • @cubycube9924
      @cubycube9924 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Same bro C418 just hits different

    • @TheTrollMastah
      @TheTrollMastah ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@cement_eater I was literally going to list them all, I can’t choose a favorite

    • @raijuu.1819
      @raijuu.1819 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I think Kumi is definitely doing a great job of capturing the esscense of C418's music, while on the other hand Lena had her own style that I personally think matches the new updates really well. C418 definitely is the GOAT though.

    • @p4nder
      @p4nder ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cement_eater stal and strad are my fav

  • @davidci
    @davidci ปีที่แล้ว +2488

    Sad to see Microsoft screwing over something Minecraft-related once again. It was important that C418 did explicitly say it's a Microsoft thing and not a Mojang thing though, since a lot of people tend to get mad at Mojang for Microsoft's tomfoolery

    • @derekg5674
      @derekg5674 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      How are they screwing anything up? They own the game. They should own the rights. If c418 wants to own his own music, he should just make music.

    • @stephanieholland7137
      @stephanieholland7137 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      he still actively makes music that’s not minecraft, but he still wants to make music for the game

    • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
      @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      The issue is Mojang has more authority than people want to pretend no matter what. As an organization, they could throw their weight around as Microsoft is not willing to risk that product. It has been done a million times before by subsidiaries of other companies, but for some reason Mojang gets a pass.

    • @RepeatedAxe
      @RepeatedAxe ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 yeah, the only other company in a similar situation is Marvel, where the fan base always blames Disney for the bad stuff

    • @SpartanNat
      @SpartanNat ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@RepeatedAxe there’s also 343 and Halo under Microsoft, where a lot of Microsoft’s tomfoolery (F2P, the store, rushed release) is blamed on 343.

  • @TGRCryoGGs
    @TGRCryoGGs ปีที่แล้ว +982

    I don't know, I love the new music and all, but every soundtrack made by C418 just sounds more Minecrafty. I'm not saying that I don't like Lena Raine's work, for example, but when I launch Minecraft, the menu soundtrack makes me feel a sad for no reason, while the old versions (Legacy versions) were perfect for a menu to sit and customize your new world, skins, whatever...
    *just wanted to add that I loved Pigstep as a disc, probably one of my favorites

    • @MattMarkYT
      @MattMarkYT ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Some of Lena Raine's music is great but there are some tracks such as the one released in 1.19 where it's just jazz. It's not even Minecraft.

    • @spiderz5145
      @spiderz5145 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      @@MattMarkYT and a lot of the new songs are just too loud, doesn’t sound good.

    • @meowmeowcat99
      @meowmeowcat99 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @@MattMarkYT I stand by my thoughts on how I find all of the new Overworld music to outright not fit the Overworld. So much so it lead to pretty much complaining anytime it started playing. I found the nether music fine as it really fit the atmosphere.. but when they added new tracks for the Overworld/Menu.. it just doesn’t land right. I make exception for the Deep Dark/Ancient City music though for Overworld music. Lena Raine is great at otherworldly.. but the music for the Overworld/Menu isn’t right for the style of the game too much so.
      Only thing I can say is I made a resource pack to outright stop the new Overworld/Menu music playing so it’s all only C418 music on my Realm minus the Nether and Deep Dark. Only issue is I will have to revise it as I learned they really set the volume for new music way too high. Example being C418 music internally is set to like 10-30% (only 1 track 10% and one 30%, all the rest is 20%).. all of Lena’s work is set to 40%.. or more I believe for Deep Dark.

    • @lupus_aeterna7793
      @lupus_aeterna7793 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      The songs by c418 seem a lot more nostalgic and more in-tune to Minecraft's vibe if that makes any sense, rather than the newer songs on the CD's by Lena Raine. I love the music they made, but it just doesn't give that same vibe that makes me think 'oh yeah this is from Minecraft, this is a Minecraft song'.

    • @Randommanontheinternet9641
      @Randommanontheinternet9641 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@meowmeowcat99yo can you give a download of that resource pack I would appreciate it I also prefer the original overworld music compared to the new one

  • @rebirth4119
    @rebirth4119 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    This reminded me of the Mick Gordon situation with ID Studios. One reason I absolutely hate the law system in the U.S.(and any country that has the same system) is that either someone can be stalled out by a corporation until they are financially unable to stay in the court fight or they bury you with the best lawyers who know how to convince to win a fight.

    • @ariesleo7396
      @ariesleo7396 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I was commenting about this because Minecraft and DOOM are the only games I play

    • @jocker6271
      @jocker6271 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bump

  • @skate_tricks
    @skate_tricks ปีที่แล้ว +119

    for fans of Minecraft's OG music, i highly recommend exploring C418's other works, they really showcase his versatility as an artist. personally, my favorite album of his is '148', which actually features a few Minecraft remixes from the original soundtrack (such as Vierton, Aria Math, and Biome Party, not to mention a gorgeous remix of Droopy Ricochets and Droopy Remembers).
    additionally, i highly recommend 'Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures', 'Excursions', and 'One'. What amazes me about C418 is his ability to maintain that signature Minecraft-ian sound; beautiful, lush, full chord progressions, while being able to completely change styles with fast, upbeat, tempos, with driving synths, and what can only be described as pure electronica.
    C418 is honestly a huge inspiration to me as an artist, he manages to breathe so much life into digital music. truly one of the GOATs!

    • @ravimediatube
      @ravimediatube ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ONE is so good. he said it was his favorite abum. that. and excursions is so freaking good wow

    • @maxxer4557
      @maxxer4557 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What's the name of the aria math remix?

    • @banukaii
      @banukaii ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ONE is such an wonderful little albient album. I saved up money to buy the CD when I was in middle school, and it got me through a lot. I'd highly recommend Dief as well.

    • @ravimediatube
      @ravimediatube ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maxxer4557 aria economy from the album 148!

    • @ravimediatube
      @ravimediatube ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@banukaii Agree

  • @gogledhol
    @gogledhol ปีที่แล้ว +415

    Minecraft isn't Minecraft without C418 music. The new music is fine I guess, but the music he made is so unique and so special to the game. When I hear any of the new songs come on they feel just out of place and not right, sure it could be that I'm still trying to get used to them, but I really don't see why they needed to add more songs to the soundtrack, it just seems completely pointless to me and seems like an unnecessary altering of one of the key components of the game.

    • @Cobalt20
      @Cobalt20 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I like some of the new songs, but I completely agree, nothing about them says Minecraft. They feel like a splash of neon color against a black and white canvas. I miss C418’s work.

    • @TheFlyfly
      @TheFlyfly ปีที่แล้ว +18

      the new tracks are biome specific, so i assume they exist because Mojang wanted music that complements the biomes and makes biomes more unique. it's the same thing as C418's ocean music.
      from my perspective, the new tracks appeal more to the "natural" side of Minecraft, while the old tracks appeal to the player experience and Minecraft as a whole

    • @1598hi
      @1598hi ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I definitely don't like the new music. It's not bad in and of itself it's just bad in the game, completely unwitting and out of place. The music system was also completely broken when they added this music as o have noticed songs don't really come on at random anymore. It's the same few songs in a loop over and over consistently. If that wasn't bad enough they couldn't even be bothered to implement the new music properly as it's significantly louder than the rest. Nothing like an out of place song that sounds like a sunrise playing while you're deep in a mine and at a volume so loud you can't even hear the blocks breaking let alone the potential mob coming for you. I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to mod to a slightly older version of the game which I find really sad.

    • @TSU_PIA
      @TSU_PIA ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The new music is not fine, lena raine is not good at this job. We want c418 for minecraft music, i hate the new lena raine songs!

    • @socire72
      @socire72 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheFlyflyThe new tracks are literally so loud. Not very natural imo

  • @AdamH7
    @AdamH7 ปีที่แล้ว +494

    I can understand both sides completely. C418 wants to retain ownership of his music, new and old, likely for both creative and monetary reasons. Microsoft just wants to commission him to make music for Minecraft that they'll own, which is the industry standard.
    If C418 won't take a flat fee, there are thousands of other composers that will, shame but it's business.

    • @t.kersten7695
      @t.kersten7695 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      and C418 himself might creat iconic Music for other Companies / Creators as well which could boost his reach and reputation

    • @That0Homeless0Guy
      @That0Homeless0Guy ปีที่แล้ว +82

      It was my understanding that C418's contract with Mojang was that they had exclusive rights to publish as Minecraft content and he retained ownership of the music. This however was a contract made with Notch as part of Mojang and not with Microsoft.

    • @thomasdiehlen77
      @thomasdiehlen77 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@That0Homeless0Guy That is also a contract made under Swedish law. In most parts of europe, it's legally impossible for ownership of art to transfer away from the artist (except to their heirs) because that is considered an inalienable right.

    • @XrayTheMyth23
      @XrayTheMyth23 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@thomasdiehlen77 I wonder if this is what they are trying to work out then. Possibly he is willing to sell but is worried about logistics. I feel like even if he doesn't they will find a place for him to contribute, possibly in Legends.

    • @FauxFemale
      @FauxFemale ปีที่แล้ว

      Just because it's industry standard doesn't mean it's good. This is just a way for the scumbag corporations to squeeze out more money and take rights (in this case, the right of someone's ownership to their own art) away from their workers.

  • @nakano15
    @nakano15 ปีที่แล้ว +210

    I actually like C418 music more than the others, because they don't give me jump scares when I'm exploring a cave or something.
    The music is calming, and is motivational even when doing mundane tasks.

    • @alexjustalexyt1144
      @alexjustalexyt1144 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      yea, his music fades in and fades out, never asking for the player's attention but rather just adding just enough to relieve us from the silence of the Minecraft world. The new music sounds like it's trying to be a bit more serious and prove that it exists if that makes sense.

    • @cruelchris3099
      @cruelchris3099 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@alexjustalexyt1144 It's the difference between looking for a tab of music playing outside the game vs. going to the options to turn the music off.

    • @nakano15
      @nakano15 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yeah, and in the case of the new musics, it doesn't help the fact that: when you're exploring a cave, lighting your way in it, trying to look for monsters while everything is silent, a music suddenly starts playing out of nowhere.
      That literally gave me a jump scare twice when I was exploring caves.

    • @Wylde_
      @Wylde_ ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This new music is loud and annoying because I'm trying to listen and relax, but c418 is that perfect combination

    • @bobolobocus333
      @bobolobocus333 ปีที่แล้ว

      The End (or whatever it's called) scared me with it sounding like my PC was BSODding.

  • @renedumas
    @renedumas ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Terraria music is great but Minecraft, C418 particularly just nailed that comforting vibe so incredibly well

    • @NotSnak
      @NotSnak ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Terrarias music is a different vibe. Just like is a much different vibe of a game even though it has similarity to minecraft both are iconic in their own way

    • @GewelReal
      @GewelReal ปีที่แล้ว +2

      comforting? Minecraft is a horror game

    • @grain9640
      @grain9640 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always did feel so comforted by the music in minecraft Alpha when I was a child
      specifically I would hum along and feel like everything was going to be ok

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      terraria music makes me feel cold and zoned out

  • @YourCitizen
    @YourCitizen ปีที่แล้ว +64

    This is the same basis as the DOOM Eternal Soundtrack issue, where the studio wanted the rights to all of the sounds and every arrangement (ignoring the production issues of that album) despite the fact that the guy who made it just wanted to own what he made

    • @yeldarb300
      @yeldarb300 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah. The video comes off as tone deaf and so one sided to microsoft.

    • @anotheramber7074
      @anotheramber7074 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      to be fair though, at least microsoft didn't slander c418 along the way.

    • @mobiusone6994
      @mobiusone6994 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anotheramber7074 wdym, I thought one of the big complaints they had was they said C418 was hard to work with?

  • @greenberrygk
    @greenberrygk ปีที่แล้ว +88

    The worst part may be that the song Taswell was dedicated to someone who passed away and now Microsoft owns it.

    • @chuckpatty1760
      @chuckpatty1760 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I think C418 stills owns his music in Minecraft (correct me if I'm wrong...). anyway I LOVE Taswell, its my favorite track in the game

    • @antiseth3964
      @antiseth3964 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I’ve always loved Taswell. It is always one to put on my stereo set, crank it up, dim the lights, sit back, and take in. If it is indeed a memorial track, that would make it even more beautiful.

    • @mobiusone6994
      @mobiusone6994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chuckpatty1760 He doesn't

    • @frymaster9850
      @frymaster9850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Daniel still owns the rights to all his music in Minecraft

  • @marcelinepink
    @marcelinepink ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I really don't mind getting music from other creators, as long as we don't get so many music tracks that the og's never come up during gameplay, but the fact that there's a whole unreleased 3rd C418 album is mind boggling. I really want to hear it.

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I really wish they would let C418 make music for this game again (obviously I still think the new tracks are really good, made by amazing composers) particularly because I want to know what would be on that third Minecraft album
    though hey, at least they aren't straight up removing C418's music from the game, honestly I think if that happened the community's response would probably be far more negative than even the chat reporting stuff

    • @C4Oc.
      @C4Oc. ปีที่แล้ว +20

      If they removed all C418 music in game, I would consider quitting forever. At the very least, I would not be playing any of the new versions until there was some mod adding the music back, or I made my own mod.

    • @ImCrowned76
      @ImCrowned76 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Just boycott it with a resource pack

    • @metinhesenov
      @metinhesenov ปีที่แล้ว

      I still can't understand the negativity about chat report stuff. Isn't it standart practice for almost every online game out there? I can't remember playing an online enabled game without a reporting option

    • @MinecraftTestSquad
      @MinecraftTestSquad ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@metinhesenov It's also typically standard practice for servers to be hosted by the owners of the game. Servers are community driven here. Mojang should not feel the need to interject themselves into communities that have already figured out how to moderate themselves, pay for their own hosting, and develop their own plugins. If Mojang hosted official servers and applied it there, that's fine. It's why VAC bans make sense and aren't controversial on steam. You get VAC banned, you get banned from the servers *Steam* hosts, but it doesn't affect community servers. That's a fine system.

    • @sylv512
      @sylv512 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@metinhesenov It’s terrible moderation. It doesn’t really fix anything either way, because servers will just disable it anyways, and then it’s almost useless.

  • @princeleafazriel8657
    @princeleafazriel8657 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I pray that they'll come to some agreement, we NEED another album from C418

    • @bezimienny1484
      @bezimienny1484 ปีที่แล้ว

      microsoft is just typical evil corporation it doesnt care about mc only about profit now or later

  • @wariodude128
    @wariodude128 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Perhaps a way to settle this problem is how the Pokemon ip is owned partly by Gamefreak, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company. Apparently there's something called "slicensing", which I guess means more than one person or company owns the rights to an ip somehow. So if C418 and Microsoft could strike a deal where they become co-owners of Album Delta, the result is Microsoft could use the music in future version of Minecraft and C418 could sell the music on his own. Everyone is happy! Speaking of, Hershey gets a cut of every M&M's thing sold.

    • @cakecheese2895
      @cakecheese2895 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Everyone is happy, except for Microsoft who wants the full rights to C418's music

    • @wariodude128
      @wariodude128 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cakecheese2895 With co-ownership they technically would.

    • @cakecheese2895
      @cakecheese2895 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@wariodude128 but not really, since they wouldn't be in full control, which could mean less money for them.

    • @sarowie
      @sarowie ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cakecheese2895 it does not strictly need to be a monetary dispute.
      Imaging the artist wants to use his own music in a politcal piece, but Microsoft does not want "their game music" to be politically loaded.
      How do you square that?

    • @Burning_Marshmallow
      @Burning_Marshmallow ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sarowie Microsoft is most of the time doing things for the money, if they can get other composers for cheaper/better deals for them, they’ll probably do it. However, they could also be just saying no because they Microsoft, so they do bad decisions just because. So it can be either way, I’m not fully sure, but it also doesn’t mean either option isn’t false as well.

  • @JoeEnderman
    @JoeEnderman ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Gamma is what you'd call a third release if Alpha and Beta were one and two.

    • @erichudson205
      @erichudson205 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, Delta would be the 4th one. Gamma is the third letter of the Greek alphabet.

    • @PraiseHeavyLobster
      @PraiseHeavyLobster ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@erichudson205 iirc, C418 confirmed that the third album would not be named Gamma.

    • @kinglyzebra6417
      @kinglyzebra6417 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am 100% convinced that calling the 1.20 pre-releases "Alpha" and "Beta" is Microsoft trying to "Nostalgia-Bait" us.

    • @thepethynowo
      @thepethynowo ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@kinglyzebra6417 I think thats just how video game development is

  • @rolynart
    @rolynart ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My biggest beef with the newer OST is that it really just feels like it's for children, as for Daniel's feels like it speaks to us adults, and gives us a very personal feeling similar, but unique in conjunction to our experiences with the game back in the old Alpha, and Beta when we grew up.

  • @brianliang8597
    @brianliang8597 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Microsoft slowly destroying game in one of the most unexpected ways: THE MUSIC. No composer can ever be as nostalgic and skilled as C418.

    • @brosiyeah
      @brosiyeah ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Play through Celeste and try to say Lena Raine is not a skilled composer

    • @boogaloobender3462
      @boogaloobender3462 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brosiyeah i will not

    • @abhaytyagi6179
      @abhaytyagi6179 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lena raine is a great composer but C418 is C418, nothing beats that!

    • @CrucibleGuy
      @CrucibleGuy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@brosiyeah She is talented for sure, but does her music fit the calming and relaxing game such as a minecraft? Not really.

  • @optiplanetomatosoup
    @optiplanetomatosoup ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I still play the minigames on psvita regularly, it's amazing to find loads of others still playing. I wish they'd come back in modern Minecraft with more items and bigger maps

  • @caproductions4167
    @caproductions4167 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    We also have to remember (and I feel this may be the reason) that C418 is one of the oldest "Minecraft staff" he was producing all these different songs for Notch who now is no longer associated with Minecraft. Also doesn't it seem suspicious that they seemingly dropped c418 in favour of Lena Raine right around the time of the Notchroversy

    • @Athlete_Steve
      @Athlete_Steve ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Notchroversy 😂

    • @rudrasingh6354
      @rudrasingh6354 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      They dropped him because Microsoft wants to own all rights to in-game music. C418 owns volume alpha and beta and Mojang/Microsoft have a license to use in Minecraft. But they can't use it for say when they collaborated with Smash Bros.
      That's why they got new people for vanilla and dungeons and you can see that those tracks list Microsoft as the owner whereas for C418's music it lists him as the owner.

    • @CatOnVenus183
      @CatOnVenus183 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      excuse you? C418 does not support notch.

    • @bigpig2709
      @bigpig2709 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ​@@CatOnVenus183 Not anymore, but before Notch's questionable tweets he and C418 were like business partners

    • @TheCJBrine
      @TheCJBrine ปีที่แล้ว +60

      He was producing songs for Notch because Notch hired him to do the music, this says nothing about C418’s character. You can be a business partner without agreeing with the other person’s views. Some people who worked with him back then, such as Jeb, are still around, too. Notch seemingly kept his views private until some years ago long after he already sold the company, so there’s a good possibility a lot of them weren’t aware either.
      It’s very likely the only reason they aren’t working with C418 anymore is due to the disagreement over the music rights, as stated in the video.

  • @twiddle10000
    @twiddle10000 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If the song played at the end of the video was one of the unreleased battle mode tracks, it was definitely made by C418 because it uses a musical motif from Alpha, the track that plays during the credits

  • @haleydavenport2837
    @haleydavenport2837 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Personally I'm glad C418 keeps the rights to his music. I wouldn't want to see Microsoft use his original minecraft music in something like a spin off or movie. The music belongs with minecraft, and I'd hate to see Microsoft use it as a money cow.

  • @broski7792
    @broski7792 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Damn. I thought C418 was at fault for his music not being in Smash Bros, but now I see his side of things.

  • @luisv1176
    @luisv1176 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    They need to let 4J studios to work on bedrock in the future to make it actually not so frustrating to use

    • @Crackers0106
      @Crackers0106 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently some 4J employees actually do work on Bedrock now, though I don't remember where I heard this from

  • @DemoAppleMusic
    @DemoAppleMusic ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Normally composer only licenses their music to the company so that they can use it whilst the composer still has the rights to it and can freely release it as a ost. This is considered standard in the industry but I don't know what kind of deal C418 made and it seems that in this case it's more complicated.

    • @me-myself-i787
      @me-myself-i787 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That is the deal he made, but Microsoft doesn't want to commission more music from him under these terms. That's why they switched to another composer.

  • @Barot8
    @Barot8 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    This is such a damn shame. He's an incredibly talented artist who was key to Mincraft's growth. Microsoft sucks. They've ruined so many things and burned out so many great programmers.

    • @uncleol
      @uncleol ปีที่แล้ว

      The only reason Microsoft did it was cause they were absolute bitches

    • @brycearmstrong7582
      @brycearmstrong7582 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah but from their perspective Minecraft is key to C418s growth, his music likely wouldn’t be famous without Minecraft

    • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
      @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@brycearmstrong7582 that's the point. They want to make a mutually beneficial relationship one sided.

    • @XrayTheMyth23
      @XrayTheMyth23 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 It's not really mutually beneficial if only C418 benefitted. Minecraft would still be the same if it had a different soundtrack, it's been over a decade, anything would be nostalgic.

    • @nokutori9964
      @nokutori9964 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@XrayTheMyth23good soundtracks make or break games and movies, there's no guarantee Minecraft would be perceived or as successful if it had different music, it's mutually beneficial, thinking Minecraft wouldn't change much without him is just deluded corporate talk

  • @cheesemanthe2nd
    @cheesemanthe2nd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I'm in a bootlicking competition and my opponent is ibxtoycat

  • @m12735
    @m12735 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:49 "Traumatizing to say the least" finally someone with a heart trapped in a corpo NDA said it.

    • @m12735
      @m12735 ปีที่แล้ว

      8:44 yay pigstep

  • @mr.creeper7802
    @mr.creeper7802 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Something Microsoft needs to learn is to care for the little guy.

    • @nologin5375
      @nologin5375 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Microsoft has never cared for the little guy ever and they never will.

  • @Enumpkin
    @Enumpkin ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Terraria town music isn't bad, but it's also nowhere near the best

    • @toycat
      @toycat  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly, didn't wanna make it unfair - just mentioning no other "good" music would fit

    • @MadJack1
      @MadJack1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I mean, it fits terraria. Most of c418's songs would sound of in Terraria. Most of terraria's music wouldn't fit Minecraft either.

  • @FunkinArchive
    @FunkinArchive ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No, as a musician, respectfully disagree here - giving up rights to things YOU make is not something you should be required to do and I'm with C418 on this one all the way.

  • @AlonsoJoaquinComposer
    @AlonsoJoaquinComposer ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Just listened to those 4 tracks, I think they are indeed C418's composition and sound design, some parts of them sound a bit unmixed/unrefined but this would make sense cause they ended up hiring Gareth so no need for a final mix/master from C418's side, I could be wrong but yeah C418 is my favourite composer and biggest inspiration, hopefully one day they'll let him release volume 3

  • @mbapnyc
    @mbapnyc ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If an agreement doesn’t work out, I’d love to at least see this album release in the form of a resource pack. I would absolutely use it, and I’m sure many others would too

  • @flameguy3416
    @flameguy3416 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If Notch never sold Minecraft, it may have been less popular, had a lower quality, had less updates, had fewer impacts on gaming. But it would be pure, uncorrupted. Is Notch truly happier with that 2 billion dollars?

  • @StuffandThings_
    @StuffandThings_ ปีที่แล้ว +30

    C418 was a genius, and scrapping him was honestly one of the things that ruined modern Minecraft for me. Its just not the same anymore. I now just turn music off and find Minecrafty C418 albums to put on while I play, even if its a pretty iffy solution. I really wish that the 3rd volume releases so someone can make a texture pack of it and I can enjoy the nostalgia once again. I really respect him for working so hard to keep the rights to the music too, since it means nobody has to be afraid of using it in their videos. He wasn't willing to bow down to a corporation even if it cost him a lot. What an absolute icon of a generation, we'll never forget Minecraft Volume Beta, even if Micro$oft has.

  • @Loiiiiiiiiiii
    @Loiiiiiiiiiii ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I want a button to turn off the newer music and to just be left with C418’s soundtrack. At the very least. I know I am speaking for many more people that want this as well

    • @Flooffy
      @Flooffy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      New music is good, though

  • @Tapuz0n
    @Tapuz0n ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:55 some of the most iconic sounds in Minecraft???? SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC IN GAMING

  • @dimanarinull9122
    @dimanarinull9122 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    software dev here(who do spritework and music on free time when making games as a hobby): you might not own the rights to the features you made, but some of the things you make are also not owned by the company.
    and there is a massive difference between game features and music or sprites.
    game features need to be maintained constantly meaning that they do, in fact, keep paying you for that feature for as long as you work there, so making a feature only provides you more work opportunities later.
    on the other hand sprites and music are a "one off" service and are usually protected by royalty earnings for their use as after a piece has been made it can be replayed or displayed as many times as you want with no breaking issues(music doesn't stop musicing for no reason, same for images)

  • @friendlyfire3631
    @friendlyfire3631 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For me, i hear C418’s music like a story. Its different every time you listen but always just as entertaining even without gameplay added. I just can’t get that feeling of the story with the newer music.

    • @friendlyfire3631
      @friendlyfire3631 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anyone get what i mean?

    • @brosiyeah
      @brosiyeah ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s always put me to sleep. I like the energy of the new music as I parkour up mountains

  • @Gold_Yoshi
    @Gold_Yoshi ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I bought Minecraft for PS4 recently, every time I boot it up, I go straight to “Editions”. The only time I hit the normal “Play” button, is when I am showing off slow load times and how broken the new game is to other people.

    • @brickthecat
      @brickthecat ปีที่แล้ว

      How did you get the editions button working? I have wanted to play the latest ps4 editon for awhile but I can’t see the editions button, so I’m stuck on the first version that came with the disk.

    • @TheSonicKidMC
      @TheSonicKidMC ปีที่แล้ว

      how'd you get the editions button lol

    • @Gold_Yoshi
      @Gold_Yoshi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheSonicKidMC I got a used copy of the disc version of the game released back in that time. I canceled the update (though you can just delete it whenever), then I played around a bit for nostalgia reasons, but also to trigger the button to appear later. Then, I updated the game.

    • @TheSonicKidMC
      @TheSonicKidMC ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gold_Yoshi but where'd you bought the disk?

    • @Gold_Yoshi
      @Gold_Yoshi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheSonicKidMC Online. Places like ebay might have it, try to find one that has "4j studios" on it.

  • @laurwolfxd_3830
    @laurwolfxd_3830 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    What's even sadder is that Microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of his music slowly by continuing to add new music from multiple different composer's and making tracks only play in specific biomes.
    Even though this can be noticed many people just ignore it or don't care enough because either they are not as connected to C418's music or because they're so used to the new music now.
    I keep thinking C418's music is still here until it isn't. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where they straight up remove it from the game but even now there's just so much new music getting added that eventually it'll just be rare to hear one of C418's tracks.

    • @Keaness
      @Keaness ปีที่แล้ว +9

      We need more people to band together… the way we wouldn’t shut up about the chat report

    • @I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad
      @I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh I'm sorry for not "connect" enough with C418, i just don't care.

    • @Vigintion
      @Vigintion ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad cry harder

    • @h.f6364
      @h.f6364 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Vigintion you do realize youre the person crying about block game music right

  • @m9nu4lRJM
    @m9nu4lRJM ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Knowing Microsoft they probably wanted the old music rights too , this Is the level of shadynes that Microsoft does.

    • @DaltonDaDigga
      @DaltonDaDigga ปีที่แล้ว +13

      What about that is shady? I’m sure they did want the old music rights.

    • @Tasorius
      @Tasorius ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DaltonDaDigga Wanting to own things that aren't theirs.

    • @ala8455
      @ala8455 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tasorius yes that’s the point of buying. If he doesn’t want to sell, they don’t have to pay him anymore?

    • @Tasorius
      @Tasorius ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ala8455 He wants to own his own music so that Microsoft can't just use it for whatever they want. I'm sure he wouldn't be allowed to put it up on TH-cam if Microsoft owned it. He doesn't want to be controlled by a massive corporation.
      But saying this is probably pointless when you are on the side of Microsoft... No reasonable person would take their side.

  • @DavidSolimano
    @DavidSolimano ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am once again asking for all the lawyers to be Minecrafted in Minecraft.

  • @ColbyRicker
    @ColbyRicker ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They basically are saying "why should you get rich off your work when we can" not really a way to see this from Microsoft's side but also if they have other composers who are willing to do it their way then they should just go their separate ways.

  • @efendiminati
    @efendiminati ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the minecrafts whole "oh we trying protect the minecraft original feel and soul" thing and and immediately lawyer bombing the the guy who is main elements of the og minecraft saying everything we need to know. it been said for years now its a dead game and big numbers of players playing on older versions to feel that same emotions

  • @simon-james
    @simon-james ปีที่แล้ว +8

    C418 didn’t just create the soundtrack, he created Minecraft.

  • @tomahawkintaco6617
    @tomahawkintaco6617 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’ve been wanting to know why c418’s album 1 & 2 hasn’t been in for years. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK. THAT MAN DESERVES EVERY PENNY, every song is a MASTER PIECE.

  • @SamUel-bv8uy
    @SamUel-bv8uy ปีที่แล้ว +11

    its a matter of self-respect and not giving in to microsoft we need more people like him

  • @Subdestroyer
    @Subdestroyer ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'd just wish for all the minecraft music creators to maybe be in a room and work on a soundtrack together, like a band with giving me and alot of other people hope for creativity, Microsoft is not the problem, infact nobody is the problem and all the problem is Corporations are actually controlling all of that, and Mojang is having trouble producing alot of things with technical problems with what people govern over.

    • @landryrodriguez
      @landryrodriguez ปีที่แล้ว

      What version are you playing in the background? It looks like a 4j console version but it’s one 1.14 or above because of the outposts? Did they update it?

    • @alexjustalexyt1144
      @alexjustalexyt1144 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@landryrodriguez wrong comment bro

    • @landryrodriguez
      @landryrodriguez ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexjustalexyt1144 whoops that meant to not be in a reply section 😂

    • @Subdestroyer
      @Subdestroyer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@landryrodriguez 🤣

    • @dyskilz
      @dyskilz ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree, c418 is completely different then them. I don’t mean to sound rude but to be fair there is a reason they are hiring these people in opposition to c418, they’ll give into the corporation to create music that they think will fit the game while c418 just made music he liked and it fit perfectly

  • @KompadoodleLEL
    @KompadoodleLEL ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:23 what the, vilage, outpost, desert temple and woodland mansion??

  • @AnthonyArmstrongFiesta
    @AnthonyArmstrongFiesta ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm excited to hear the mini game music you linked. I was late to the Minecraft party, and was just starting to understand who C418 was around the time Microsoft phased him out. I was happy to see he produces outside of the MC universe, but am super excited to know that there is more MC stuff from him out there, and if we're lucky enough somehow, that might see the light of day.

  • @XquereZ
    @XquereZ ปีที่แล้ว +30

    They should just let C418 own the music, and then he can produce more music for other spin off games for Microsoft if he wants. That way they both get what they want in a way.

    • @cakecheese2895
      @cakecheese2895 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Microsoft doesn't get what it wants. They don't want C418's music, they want to own the music they do have.

  • @user-is7xs1mr9y
    @user-is7xs1mr9y ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I remember the first time I heard Mice On Venus. It was back in version 1.3.2 and I was lost, trying to go back to my base. I was getting so frustrated, until I saw a torch in the distance, above a little hill. I climbed it and there it was, on the other side, the frozen lake next to my tiny base. That's the moment I fell in love with Minecraft and became my favorite game ever. C418 is one of the most iconic composers in recent history, right up there with John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Allan Silvestri. It's such a shame this situation got this complicated.

  • @1598hi
    @1598hi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The new composers definitely aren't bad. But in my opinion the music is just wildly out of place in minecraft. And for whatever reason the devs broke the music system as well? So now I hear the same songs on loop as opposed to random songs at random times. I don't understand why if they couldn't come to an agreement they just didn't continue to add music and left it as is. The system worked well and there was plenty of music. They certainly release their good and bad updates but this out of place new music as well as the deliberately broken music system is the first time I'm so displeased with things as they are currently that I'm thinking of modding back to a slightly older version of the game. They current setup in the game feels as out of place as playing skyrim without music and ambient sounds. Just kills the vibe for me.

  • @CatOnVenus183
    @CatOnVenus183 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think the features of minecraft being compared to owning the music isn't a fair comparison. Those can't exist without minecraft, when the soundtrack can be enjoyed without it. I think Microsoft should just stop being greedy over copyright and let the music come back.
    Edit: He also doesn't want copyright strikes on people's stuff, remember what happened with pigstep when that came out?

    • @apothic0n
      @apothic0n ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah its more like he wants to sell microsoft the rights to use his music in the game instead of selling the music. This means microsoft cant just use his music in spin-offs without his permission, but at the same time they will always be able to use it in minecraft.

  • @CesarARodriguez
    @CesarARodriguez ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I just realized something, so remember when Steve was added to Smash Bros, they dind't get any of the original songs because they would be "too slow for the game" so instead they went with songs from minecraft dungeons?
    I see it now, it never was about the pace, It's about the legality of using C418 songs, that's why they didn't include any of those.

    • @jeremyjimenez7858
      @jeremyjimenez7858 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It would also be extremely jarring to be playing Smash Bros with C418 music

    • @SupervillainCabal
      @SupervillainCabal ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeremyjimenez7858 it wouldn't matter much though. You can go on a killing spree in minecraft with the same music so it wouldn't change much. Plus smash already has some calm soundtracks

  • @GravityDefyingTiger
    @GravityDefyingTiger ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The way I see it, the issue is that C418 wants to continue working under the standards of an indie composer on a game that hasn’t been an indie game for a long time. He’s seeking the standards for the industry Minecraft was in when he first came to the team, and Microsoft is seeking the standard for the industry Minecraft is in now. The indie industry and the mainstream game industry are two completely different cans of worms with two completely different sets of standards for what is considered normal and acceptable. Perfectly normal for the composer working on an indie game to own the rights and make royalties, perfectly normal for composers working on powerhouse games owned by corporations to be compensated in a lump-sum instead. At the end of the day, yeah it sucks that we don’t have any new C418 tracks, but Microsoft is within their rights to seek what is considered the reasonable industry standard for a game of Minecraft’s scale. Toycat is right in pointing out that they wouldn’t have someone like Lena Raine working for them if they weren’t offering reasonable deals. Either one of the parties will have to bend to the other, or C418 will have to move on to other things. The problem is that he’ll probably run into the same issue with most other big-name games. He’s in a kill-or-be-killed industry, unfortunately you can’t usually have your cake and eat it too.

  • @ace_ofchaos9292
    @ace_ofchaos9292 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Removing zombie pigmen. Chat reporting. C418 betrayal. Horrible.

  • @ChaosDragon3401
    @ChaosDragon3401 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stuff like this is gonna make me quit completely.
    I remember playing on older versions and having the time of my life, nowadays my survival world is a slideshow...
    I'm just done with these big companies ruining everything.

  • @luisdelarosa3588
    @luisdelarosa3588 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow I wonder how many new tracks in this Volume 3 he's worked on could've been classics! It's like finding out your fav band whose albums and singles you've all heard had a secret unreleased piece this whole time!

  • @limpfall13
    @limpfall13 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Isn’t there also a whole issue inside the marketplace where they are releasing content of other ips but because the blame is on the creator who “supposivly” got the permissions to post the content mojang avoids legal trouble?

  • @miwiki6
    @miwiki6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Minecraft is honestly being ruined by Microsoft. ugh.

  • @sorrarain
    @sorrarain ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The new music is a laughable attempt of trying to capture the magic that is Minecraft ambience. The only man that can capture that magic is C418.

    • @noahbecker8690
      @noahbecker8690 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think the new music isn’t trying to recreate the old music. Also personally I like both music the same

    • @sorrarain
      @sorrarain ปีที่แล้ว

      @@noahbecker8690 You must be 12 or younger.

    • @Alan10-p1m
      @Alan10-p1m ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sorrarain bro got mad at someone’s opinions.

    • @sorrarain
      @sorrarain ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Alan10-p1m It's not a insult to be young, or to state that fact. Double digit IQ statement right here.

  • @mac1991seth
    @mac1991seth ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Comparing music to Minecraft features doesn't make much sense. Programmers are *not* paid on a feature-by-feature basis and musicians *are* paid on a piece-by-piece basis. Features aren't also protected by copyright laws, just ask PUBG and Fortnite or Fortnite and Minecraft. You also can't sell "a feature" unless there's an entire game built to support it, but you can sell music without any game to support it. This idea that Microsoft should own the music made for the game is indefensible and should never be considered the industry standard. This is exactly why we can't have the nice version of Doom Eternal soundtrack produced and released.

    • @Lotus77777
      @Lotus77777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, it is an egregious take.

  • @Zarro0o0o
    @Zarro0o0o ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They're throwing the man under the bus who made the most iconic soundtrack in the world...

    • @Monsoon-r5n
      @Monsoon-r5n ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the guy who made minecraft minecraft

  • @macksnotcool
    @macksnotcool ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this video is 2% facts 98% speculation

  • @mjmeans7983
    @mjmeans7983 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Big companies are like "when we paid you for the copyrighted music, we then own it, just like any physical item." But then when the consumer says "oh, so when we buy a digital copyrighted game, we own it forever, and we can even resell it to someone else, just like any physical item"? Then the big company gets angry because only they get to actually own anything.

  • @ponteirodorato
    @ponteirodorato ปีที่แล้ว +30

    "screw your memories and your history, the money in our pockets is a victory"
    really sad to see c418 is slowly fading from Minecraft, wouldn't be surprising but yet upsetting if Microsoft removes his songs because they can't get into an agreement

    • @Athlete_Steve
      @Athlete_Steve ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I would permanently play with music off and just stream c418 on Spotify if that happened ngl

    • @trolluspogus4732
      @trolluspogus4732 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Athlete_SteveI would actually stop playing Minecraft and go back to fortnite

    • @Athlete_Steve
      @Athlete_Steve ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @TrollusPogus fortnite has been getting better for sure though ngl.

    • @cement_eater
      @cement_eater ปีที่แล้ว +2

      datapacks would solve that issue easily

    • @trolluspogus4732
      @trolluspogus4732 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cement_eater yea but it wouldn’t hit the same, knowing Microsoft removed them

  • @Dr.Slaughter
    @Dr.Slaughter ปีที่แล้ว +6

    C418's music is peaceful and nostalgic. Lena Raine's music perfectly fits as well

    • @trolluspogus4732
      @trolluspogus4732 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not perfectly, but really well

    • @Dr.Slaughter
      @Dr.Slaughter ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@trolluspogus4732 Have you heard the Nether music? So Below and Rubedo are incredibly fitting! I cant think of a song that would fit better imo

    • @windshieldflipers9294
      @windshieldflipers9294 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@Dr.Slaughter Dead Voxel, Ballad of the Cats, Warmth and Concrete Halls fit better but Rubedo and So Below still fit very well.

  • @Ferrochrome12
    @Ferrochrome12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why did this turn into corporate bootlicking in favor of a billion-dollar international megacorp? Artists deserve to have ownership over their work, musicians especially have a long, long history of getting bent over by record labels and media companies, never really owning their life's work.

  • @Penguinboy74
    @Penguinboy74 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:20 I feel like a developer should own the rights to use whatever feature however they want, since it's their code and hard work, but microsoft should have the same rights.

  • @anthonypena3322
    @anthonypena3322 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This feels like a moment where c418 maybe feeling disconnected from the product that he produces his music.

  • @shrivelling6877
    @shrivelling6877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not saying microsoft should take Daniel's terms but if they have profited over 200 billion dollars and are worth over 1 trillion dollars they have the money to pay him, anybody can't just say "well if you look at it from microsoft's perspective they dont have to give money to daniel overtime as they already spend a lot of money hiring current a new people." they have the money now denying it.

  • @ArtblockInsomniac
    @ArtblockInsomniac ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly both sides are reasonable arguments. It's a standard for artists to sell the rights to their work by being commissioned for said piece be it music, artwork, game assets, etc. I'm not normally one to defend big corporations but this is just standard business practice. It's honestly just something that has to be negotiated by the team to reach something of an agreement. There's not really a right or wrong side and it's just to conflicting normal opinions.

  • @dylancullar2490
    @dylancullar2490 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    10:39 why was my first reaction "wait really? what's her fursona?"

  • @Wbfuhn
    @Wbfuhn ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Always read the contract before signing. It's how companies get control.

  • @Crimson_Dusk
    @Crimson_Dusk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a lot of people probably figured out at some point (or at least I did a while back) that the theme playing at 13:50 is also present in C418's "Alpha", and so it was easy to presume the original Battlemode tracks were, in fact, done by Daniel since they reuse so many motifs from his official soundtrack

  • @LarryDeskPlant
    @LarryDeskPlant ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:59 "But then it belongs to ass" - ibxtoycat 2023 (look at the bottom of the screen)

  • @jammy_jars
    @jammy_jars ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had no idea Gareth Coker did the majority of the minecraft minigames soundtrack! He did the music for the Ori games which are some of my favorite games ever so thats pretty neat!

  • @majman446
    @majman446 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Sad truth: People saying that Lena Raine's music is not Minecraft-esque don't really mean that. What they actually mean is that people are so used to hearing C418's style in Minecraft they kind of associate it with the game. When you really listen, you see that Lena, Kumi and Aaron's music fits perfectly with the Minecraft environment. They may not be nostalgic, but they're atmospheric af. Lena's music is Minecraft-esque. It's just not C418-esque.

    • @counterfeit6089
      @counterfeit6089 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's just like your opinion man

    • @majman446
      @majman446 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@counterfeit6089 It is not subjective. It's obvious that people assocaite C418's style with Minecraft, that when they hear other artists' music in the game it feels off.

    • @majman446
      @majman446 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@counterfeit6089 ok so let's think about it this way, what is minecraft-esque music? what does it mean when a song is minecraft-style? is it the piano? the new songs have it. is it the slow tempo? the new songs have it. is it the calming sound? the new songs have it. what does c418's music have that the new music doesn't?

  • @RealHalcyon
    @RealHalcyon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The music is what makes Minecraft iconic in the first place, so the fact Microsoft would stab them in the back is saddening

  • @TMinusRecords
    @TMinusRecords ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:53 "Only" got paid 20,000 euros for a poem???? That makes it probably one of the most profitable poems in history. How on earth could you be upset over that?

    • @subscheme
      @subscheme ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea Microsoft can’t be expected to pay more than they promised

    • @subscheme
      @subscheme ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesn’t make sense angry at Microsoft when they never even said they would pay more

  • @Jor_Cano
    @Jor_Cano ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's amazing how many comments on this video, and even the video itself, defend the multi-billion dollar company.
    Being that that same multi-billion dollar company is the one that stagnated Minecraft and with each update it seems to continue in a status-quo of decadence and mediocrity. Since it has been made clear that Mojang no longer has any say in "executive decisions", so it's the white collar folks at Microsoft who decide.... And unfortunately they don't decide well, because if being mediocre they earn a lot of money, why try harder?
    Hypixel, please come out.

  • @tempest6027
    @tempest6027 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the fact that one of these songs is a remix of alpha is... i'm speechless
    alpha is my favorite song of all time

    • @Something_Disgusting
      @Something_Disgusting ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Due to how licensing works, and the fact that it has a stretching melody within that's almost an exact copy from Alpha, it's pretty safe to believe that C418 DID in fact make those four Battle Mode tracks.

  • @James89227
    @James89227 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Funny thing, one of the new Music Artists, Kumi Tanioka, made the Molduga Remix for Super Smash Bros Ultimate

  • @avery9699
    @avery9699 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should talk about mojang not wanting to fix the editions button for minecraft ps4 digitally, they literally don't want to limit people access to their own purchase

    • @hantomdventure
      @hantomdventure ปีที่แล้ว

      It works for me on ps4, you just have to click it the *second* it shows up. If you wait long enough to click it (10 seconds at least) it's not gonna work

    • @avery9699
      @avery9699 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hantomdventure What do u mean? do you have a video teaching that?

  • @SakuraShirakawa
    @SakuraShirakawa ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can see it from both sides.
    C418- Had an agreement with Mojang during its time as an indie startup when Mojang was more than happy paying residuals as their influence to bring in more composers was limited, and until being purchased by Microsoft, Mojang just kept the contract the same even though their influence and means to pay other composers had grown. Therefore he is wondering why it needs to be changed now.
    Microsoft- While to many it looks like a case of "Greedy corporation screwing composer" is instead making decisions based on experience. Just like many large developers, they have experience with Licensing music (which they would be doing if C418 retained the rights) and then not being able to renew licensing or having a falling out with whomever they are contracting with and then having to alter the product when the license holder demands they stop using their content. Microsoft would rather just own the content outright where able.

  • @barneychacha
    @barneychacha ปีที่แล้ว +6

    C418 should be able to produce more music, if they say no to him having rights to his own music that’s bs

    • @jeremyjimenez7858
      @jeremyjimenez7858 ปีที่แล้ว

      They aren't saying "no to him having rights to his own music" they are saying "We want to buy your music not just buy a license" which is fair

    • @fitmotheyap
      @fitmotheyap ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@jeremyjimenez7858 it's common to license such things, also doesn't buy in this context mean buy the rights? Which no sane person should do, the current environment is really tough on artists and people are trying to rip them off even more, disgusting.

    • @jeremyjimenez7858
      @jeremyjimenez7858 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fitmotheyap it is common for indie games but not for any other game.

  • @PeaceArt1
    @PeaceArt1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still love WiiU Minecraft because it still has the original music.

  • @jonahham
    @jonahham ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it’s an ownership thing, I’m confident Microsoft would pay him well for releasing a 3rd album, but they want to tie off loose ends and try and make everything new in the game owned by them fully just for brand protection.

  • @DieGo367
    @DieGo367 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is also most certainly the reason no music from Minecraft is present in Smash, as Microsoft don't hold the rights. There would have to be an agreement between all of Microsoft/Mojang and Nintendo and C418 for that to have happened. That's why they had to rely on Dungeons and Earth for their music. In Smash, the only tracks that are listed as directly from "Minecraft" proper are the tracks by Gareth Coker that come from the console mini games.

  • @Protofall
    @Protofall ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have no idea why people love Pigstep so much. It sounds like trash to me.

  • @khaziayin
    @khaziayin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    third greek letter is gamma, delta is fourth. i think the third album would be called volume gamma.

  • @RaiderAvian
    @RaiderAvian ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the old minigames bring back fond and yet fleeting memories.

  • @tyronorxy5646
    @tyronorxy5646 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    07:43 "You want Minecraft to be the best game it can be..."
    Which is a bit hard if you discontinue the main soundtrack of the game and, going forward, replace it with tracks that are just not quite right.
    (Except for Rubedo, Chrysopoeia, So Below and Infinite Amethyst. [And the disks. Disks are disks, it's a different story.] )
    (I can't state an opinion about the Tricky Trials tracks because I haven't gotten to listen to them as much yet.)