Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X - Welcome To The New Reality
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The Promises - 0:55
Build & Comfort - 1:44
Sound Test Parameters - 5:03
Bass Response - 5:56
Mids Response - 8:13
Treble Response - 10:30
Detail Retrieval - 12:27
Soundstage - 15:11
Overall Sound Signature - 17:01
Comparisons - 19:49
Value & Conclusion - 26:33
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I got here by accident and I have to admit that your reviews are fantastic! Sound very objective, no pseudo-scientific bs. Finally I could learn something about DT 700 Pro X. I would be even more happy to watch and hear you comparing fresh DT770 Pro X LE with Stellar.45. It might be interesting compromise between analytical and little to bright 770 and veiled 700.
Fantastic review! I purchased these a few days ago. Perfect selection of reference material and extremely detailed and well articulated descriptions. Your review style is greatly appreciated. 👍
Have been searching for new headphones and stumbled upon your channel. Absolutely fantastic work! I really appreciate how you put a lot of effort into making them as objective as possible and describing the performance in a very brought and precise way.
Thanks for the review. I really like the comparsions with other headphones.
I'm currently using the hd6xx's as my dailies and I'd say I enjoy them. My only gripe is that the open back design literally let's me hear everything. Do you think these would be a good substitute for music listening and gaming. A lot of what I hear about these is that they're only good for studio monitoring
A most excellent spot on review. My best interests are best served with the DT-700 Pro X. For my closed back headphone needs…until I saw the initial reviews out for the FiiO FT3 recently. Looks very promising.
Wow, what an awesome and detailed review, thanks! Are these any good for use with musical instruments i.e. digital piano / keyboard? Or are there better options to consider within a similar price point?
I think Beyerdynamic probably would say these are good to use with instruments. I wouldn't know, and can't say one way or another.
hi☺️
first of all, nice review, I really like following your videos as I love how you explain and specify the various areas, without saying one or the other is better, (I don't always like a great sound stage, sometimes I prefer it tight in various uses, and you too see precisely that you describe it as it is in the headphones you are reviewing, with some comparisons but without dor and better because it is more or less, as more or less is not always better or worse )
can I ask you for a small comparison with the rode nth 100 (apart from the construction and the obvious problem that the rode have)
thanks and keep it up
(sorry for the mistakes but I wrote with google translate, I hope everything is clear)
Agreed. I would prefer a pair of backup earpads over another cable.
Honestly i’d rather replace the stock ear pads with a third party custom fit ear pad. There are a ton of options for the DT 770. I’m sure there will be third party options for the dt 700.
Having an extra set of ear pads in the box would be wasteful.
Great review!
Great review - all is clear! The comparisons say it all to me. It looks to me that Beyerdynamic did some trade offs trying to make the 700 more mass market product - they suppressed some of the 'contravercial' characteristics of the 770 but l think that made the 700 generic. Well, I accept the strive to make the 700 neutral, but killing the wide soundstage and loosing detail in exchange for neutrality is not a good trade off for me. And even worse, the beauty of the 770, 880, 990 was that the three were having well defined identity - 880 is neutral, 770 is more bass, 990 is more treble and the three have very good imaging and soundstage and decent quantity of detail retrieval. What happens now, according to me, is that 700 and 900 lost the main differentiating characteristics of the series, sounding quite similar. Yes, neutral is difficult, but going this way they betray the well appraised identity. I think the biggest mistake will be if Beyerdynamic stops producing the 770, 880, 900.
Just bought a new 990 just in case
This isn’t a replacement. If you want a 770 buy a 770 for $150 less. literally all of your complaints are that’s it’s not a headphone that it isn’t. if it had the signatures you’re saying make the others unique then it wouldn’t really be unique anymore it would be a $150 more expensive clone. it being more neutral means it useful for the people they’re actually marketing it to… professionals that want a neutral sound, and they do a pretty good job of that for the price.
@@peen2804 Well, since it is not a replacement, I wrote that I hope they will not stop 770. Second, I have no complaints, these are contemplations. Third, I really think they would have been better accepted if they went improving the 770 and the 990 - for example, a more tight bass for the 770 and a lower pick in treble for the the 990 plus better detail retrieval for both. Now they did a Harmanish signature. Last, I think, these headphones are for big production companies which buy dozens for the technicians, I think real production professionals use better ones that have better resolurion.
I think Beyerdynamic purposely focused on folks like me with this line: producers/mix engineers/content creators. I’ve never been able to trust their previous models for mixing because of the high frequency bump and they got fatiguing fast for my ears. I just got a set of 900xs and the frequency response is like my studio monitors with room calibration: pretty neutral. That will likely sound “boring” to a lot of folks but it’s precisely what I need in headphones. So far I really like them, my only complaint is that detail retrieval in the midrange isn’t as strong as my 6xx. I’m hoping they open up there with some burn in. I LOVE the bass response and tuning which is something I’m really picky about with headphones.
I had the same thoughts about the 770/880/990 trifecta and wished the new model numbers didn’t seem to be trying to take the thunder away from the classics. Though i do recall that there was at least one other 900 variant long ago in the early 90s, i believe? Maybe the 911 or 960? I forget the number, but i saw it in an old catalog PDF shared online
Would the etymotic er2 give more mid clarity and deatil than dt700 pro?
Hello. Thanks for your extremely detailed reviews. I just had tu suscribe! … How do you think these DT700 compare to the popular AKG k371? I want a neutral-warmish Closed Back alternative to my HD6XX,and different to my MSR7B. and my search reduced to those two.
The K371 follows the Harman Target, which means it has a very bassy signature. The 700 has less bass emphasis, a bit more clarity and soundstage. The 700 is likely closer to what you've described than the 371.
Thanks for the review!! My concern about those headphones is their low-ish impedance and their pairing with audio interfaces that have some how not perfect output impedance like the SSL 2+ I own (10 Ohm output impedance). I also have the ADI-2 DAC fs to my main (speaker but not only) system. I’m in search for a full sized closed headphone mainly for the SSL to complement with my HD600 and HD25 Alum. Any comments would be appreciated! Thank you!
generally I tend to favor upper impedance headphones...
Oye...that's tough. The impedance and closed-back requirements severely limit the options. Maybe the NDH20? But I don't think that headphone is worth its MSRP. You could try one of the variations of the DT770.
@@NoThemeReviews yes this is the obvious choice.. would you prefer over all the 880 600 Ohm? Thnx once more!!
@@MichaelPsyrras Yeah, I would
Hi again. Which one strikes you as the more natural sounding/tuned between the MSR7B and these DT700 Pro X?
DT700
Finnaly a review that exactly match what I think. I tried and compared all 3 ( Exept the Neumann) and I agree 100% with you. Thank you, I will subscribe. I am just wondering , if diassembling it (700 pro x) and change that thick filter in front of the driver to other one more thin, for example the ones that come with the 770, would bring back the Highs detail, as I think that is what is causing the muffled sound of them. I will actually try it soon by my self and I will let you know.
well, I just did it, inow the 700 pro X sounds superb, I love it. Magically all the highs come out and also mids. Surprisily they have more High Spectrum then the 770, and still keeping the tigh and definided bass as with the original foams. What I did was removing completely that thick gray circle foam in the front of the drivers and replace it with other one thiner. When I compare AB with the 770, this ones are clearly more v shape, the 770 have more low mids but surprisely less highs, and in this ones the mid highs are superior and in general all frequencies are well defined and separated. Encorage everyone to try it, its very simple to dismount and replace. For my genre, Electronic music I love the signature and the kick and bass punch its so more satisfying to listen to, and now, why Beyerdynamics take this bussiness decision of shipping it originally that way, its still a mystery for me, because the drivers are littery a much more advanced and better technology then the 770 990 series. By the way I am using the dt 770 pro 80 ohms.
I would be interesting to see a comparison with the Austrian Audio Hi X55, despite sonic differences they cost similar and are aimed at the pro music market.
They are night and day different. There's really no comparison. The x55 is significantly clearer, more detailed, has far more accurate placement, and wider soundstage. It's a true analytical headphone. The DT700/900 will probably give you a more honest appraisal of what most people will hear through their gear.
@@NoThemeReviews how about the bass dept? And which would you choose between the two?
@@ColdSteppinKeys Which headphones are you talking about?
the pads of the 900 and 700 are the same?
I was looking at the DT 700 Pro X as a potential closed-back, wear-all-day work headphone. Was wondering what you would recommend? Comfort, portability, and vocal clarity being priority.
What are your other options?
@@NoThemeReviews I was considering the following: Beyerdynamic 700 Pro X, Austrian Audio X-15/X-55, Akg 361, Sony MDR7506, Sennheiser 280Pro.
Would be awesome if you could compare DT 770 16 ohms-600 ohms all variants, DT 177X, DT 700 Pro X. Similar with DT 990, DT 1990 and 900X altogether. Of course its impossible due to expenses.
How does it compare to the dt 1770 pro
Hey, what is the name for test song that you use for detail retrieval? Can't hear it clearly in the video. Thx a lot.
New Light by Kazukii
@@NoThemeReviews Really appreciate your effort!
@@NoThemeReviews I’ve tried the Hi-X65s and can’t seem to hear any footsteps. I believe you said at about 9 seconds in right ear cup.
@@scpjmartin the first is at 11 seconds in the right. Subsequent steps are in the left. They are there. It’s crisp sounds like someone Stepping on dry grass or leaves.
Great review as always. If you were to choose between the DT700 or Hi-X65 specifically for the musical listening pleasure which would you lean towards. I’m in my senior years so hearing is somewhat compromised do to the normal aging process. I do love my music. You’ve introduced me to many new options that I didn’t know existed. Have you listened to the soundtrack to “The Tourist”? It’s great for comparing headphones.
They both do things very differently. If your hearing is less clear due to aging, then the DT700 or other similar headphones might sound muffled. In that case, depending on which frequency range you have difficulty hearing, you may want to find a headphone that accentuates that specific aspect. If you have a harder time hearing treble, then the DT990, Austrian Audio Hi-x55, x65, x15, and x25bt might be worth considering.
As for which one I'd personally use...well...that depends on what I'm listening to. I'd probably use the DT700 or DT900 for daily tasks, casual listening, but for more analytical jobs, I grab the Austrian Audio headphones. Personally, I think they perform well with some genres like classical and orchestral. Not so much with pop and rock, or hip-hop. But everybody's different, so I can't say this is a general rule.
@@NoThemeReviews thank you. I had a chance to try out the new Hi-X60. I prefer the 65s. I’m anxious to hear your review.
@@scpjmartin If Austrian Audio sends me the X60, I'll be happy to review it.
@@NoThemeReviews well, I’ve decided to keep the 700 Pro X. Just not enough bass with the Hi-X65s. I’m streaming Apple or Amazon via Apple dongle through my iPhone 12. I get more than enough volume. Would I benefit at all by using any additional equipment? Thanks.
@@scpjmartin No, if you're happy with your setup then there's no need to spend more money.
You provide comprehensive and honest reviews!!! Your comments regarding the clamping force, and detail retrieval, concern me. However, I do like the neutral assessment.
I can choose the headphone have best details sounds in ur music test to buy it for my fps games?
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Thank you for the best review of 700s, I ve just purchased them but not saisfied with soundstage and clarity. Any advice what to get for listening pleasure in this +-100$ price range? I really liked your clarity / soundstage charts but did not understand names of all models. Do you have written chart may be?
I don’t have a chart. There are of course other headphones with wider soundstage and clarity, but the sound signature will be very different. You could try the Shure SRH 1840, Austrian Audio Hi-X55 or 65, Avantone Planar, Sivga Phoenix-just as a starting list. All of these have a variety of sound signatures, detail and soundstage.
@@NoThemeReviews thank you very much for a reply! What do you think about Austrian Audio Hi-X60 comparing to X65? Do having a closed back design brings us to a noticable and uppleasant trade-off in soundstage and clarity?
I don't know what Beyerdynamic said, but a single sided 3 pin mini xlr connector will never be balanced. A 4 pin mini xlr is another story.
From the Beyer rep: “You should be able to use the balanced mini-XLR if you have the right connectivity.
Mary”
@@NoThemeReviews now... knowing what Beyerdynamic said, I can say they/Mary were/was wrong :) comes to mind that line from 2 stupid dogs: "Ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!"
it doesn’t matter what their rep said, for balances or differential signaling… you need a signal and separate ground. if the ground is common (3 wire) then the signal cannot be “balanced”
mary, bless her heart, is wrong
It could be interesting to see a review of the DT 1990 and 1770 as a comparison
Thanks a lot for your Beyerdynamic DT 700/900 Pro X reviews. I must say that i ' m quite disappointed by those 2 last Beyerdynamic headphones. Getting a more 'neutral' sound signature at the cost of losing details, clarity and soundstage is a huge 'no thanks' for me. I ll stick to my DT 880 (600ohm) and DT 990 (250ohm) regarding Beyerdynamic headphones. Too bad because i really like the new ear pads. By the way do you think that most of those losses come from the new earpad design knowing that ear pads are a huge part of any headphone sound signature?
There’s no way for me to know how much the pads effect the sound. I’m fairly certain that the damping is the principal element.
I got a pair DT770pro and i hate the stockpads alot. They make the music become hollow mid to me, when i change the earpads, it become alot better.
What would you take for pure music enjoy sivga sv021 or this ?
Or other top 300 usd
Closed back?
I like both. There is something easygoing about the 700 and 900. The headphone I would typically reach for within this budget are the DT880, HD6xx, and 900. The Robin is a good headphone, but I don't use it often enough to say that it's among to my top picks.
@@NoThemeReviews looking for detachable cable as well
Do you have any reviews on the DT 770 pro? I can't find any on your channel.
No, just what’s mentioned in this video
@@NoThemeReviews sigh
On the market for a closed back around this price range. Would you say the DT 700 PRO X is better than the NDH 20? The latter is an option alongside 177x from Mass Drop. Thanks!
I've never heard the 177x, but I was deeply disappointed with the 1770. As for whether the 700 is "better" than the NDH20...well...I don't know about saying one is "better" than the other. The NDH20 does have some qualities that might be beneficial for your music, but I think it's just fundamentally overpriced. I think the 700 is far better value. You'll get more clarity and detail than on the NDH20.
@@NoThemeReviews thanks - yes, that’s what I meant. Honestly I tried both, I guess the 177x wins in the dynamic range department but the NDH sounded more detailed to me. For some tracks, I preferred the first, some others the latter. However, I couldn’t really put my finger in any of them in terms of value.
So@@NoThemeReviews , I returned the NDH and bought the DT 700 Pro X and I can totally agree with your analysis. I link the sound signature - the treble was a bit too over for me, but responded to EQ pretty well. Overall, way better value. Thanks!
Please review the neumann NDH 30 if its possible 🙏
How did you come to the decision of what "neutral" is? It's clear there is no actual reference for neutral, given Harman, Diffuse Field, Ollo's take etc... Is it a flat response? It seems there is a general consensus of around where neutral is, but specifics seem to differ quite a bit. You seem very confident that your neutral /is/ neutral. Is that from research or is it just your personal benchmark you use as reference?
Just an FYI I'm not upset or anything either way, just genuinely curious
Neutral is what you want it to be I suppose. I don’t promote the Harman target for a number of reasons, the principal of which is that it’s based on a limited study that seems totally at-odds with the studio monitors and headphones artists tend to use.
To your specific question: I listened to a lot of headphones and tried to find tuning that doesn’t accentuate bass or treble. So, a flat FR is the ideal but it’s never going to happen in reality. I’ve found that the OLLO, Avantone, and others have similar ways of NOT accentuating bass and treble. Obviously the sound signatures aren’t identical but what I think is within my idea of neutral.
My method is exclusionary. I have to assume that artists don’t intend to make music in which you struggle to hear the vocals or which have a sharp, piercing treble. A lot of reviewers have said similar things, and that’s another reason I think my idea of neutral isn’t unique.
But because I don’t have an objective, universal standard, I use various headphones as my guidelines: the Avantone Planar, OLLO S4X, DT880, HD6XX, SRH-1540, Moondrop Quarks. To pick just one of these as the only benchmark would be problematic. Using all of them leaves enough room for some variation without materially deviating from the “neutral” category.
Thanks for the video. I especially appreciate the detail comparison. I'm in the market for a
The Austrian Audio gear is NOT neutral. They’re very far from that.
@@NoThemeReviews Thanks for the info. I ordered the Ollo S4R instead. I'm sure I won't be disappointed in anything other than my previous mixes! Power is from a modest distribution amp, Aphex Headpod 454. Given the low impedance, I dont foresee any issues.
Could you review Beyerdynamic tygr 300R?
That tag thing sticking out of the headwrap seems bizarre. Much prefer the OG snaps on the DT 770 Pro.
I just hope these are not replacements for the dt770 880 and 990. I love my dt990 an 880
I doubt they are going to discontinue the older headphones. The 770, 880, and 990 probably don't cost much to make yet are reliable sellers. The 700 and 900 might be Beyerdynamic's response to the recent Harman target craze.
@@NoThemeReviews yes probably worrying for no reason there. In the end the still manufacture things like the dt150. The dt990 is much cheaper.
. you are amazing..the best review ever, just got 700s (upgraded from m50x) and now im not sure what is better, m50s has better cleaner hi's but i think that sound separation on 700s is better...regards
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the cables n the foam cussion. Have many people had this problem?
I've had intermittent cutout in audio, but I tracked it down to the mini XLR cable's fitting. It just wiggles in place, moreso than the cable with the DT800 Pro.
I have recently tried the Shure 1540 and found them a bit disappointing. Would you consider these a decent alternative?
Disappointing in what way
@@NoThemeReviews Specifically the mids seem to hide in the mix, at least in my opinion. Music where I would expect strings or vocals to be really prominent take a step back, which some people might like but I didn't. What I liked about them especially was a lack of harsh highs.
You might favor a more balanced sounding headphone rather than the 1540’s neutral-ish signature. Consider the M1570, LCD2 Classic, Base Audio G12, Sivga Robin, Focal Elex, any Grado, etc.
@@NoThemeReviews I will look into those, thank you very much for the reply!
After testing these headphones, I found them to be accurate and relatively neutral, with perhaps a little too much treble, but much less aggressive than the DT 770's treble, which my ears cannot stand... The only problem with these headphones is that they have almost no low-mids or high bass, and as their bass is not very deep, I could not use them as monitoring headphones, especially for tracking a bass guitar...
hello can i ask for an advise if you please , i want a headphone for movies/shows . . film/game music and games . . . i was going for dt900 or hd6xx but someone sayed he400se is better and now I'm in a vortex
Well, the HE400se might be better for that other person, not for everyone. Unfortunately, your question is only going to give you very personal, subjective responses. The DT900 and HD6xx are vastly different from each other. The DT900 is a fairly analytical headphone, and if you are sensitive to treble, then this headphone is probably not going to sound pleasant to you. The DT900 also has an emphasized bass--which might not suit movies and games that do rely on a lot of bass in their recordings. The HD6xx has a more neutral sound signature, more bass, but less clarity than the DT900. You'll have to decide what sound signature you're looking for to fit your requirements.
@@NoThemeReviews Thank you so much for the answer i dont want to bother you but i have last question , i found hifiman sundara 2021 edition cost 260$ is it good
@@xiazoozix2017 I don’t know what real differences there are from the older Sundara. But, $260 for a new Sundara is a good price IMO.
@@NoThemeReviews its used less than month , i will read more about it , thanks for the help
actually i like the OG DT770, 880 and 990 build best some of the Premium editions are not Bad but 700 and 900 Pro X build is the worst one they are very uncomfortable cause of headband plastic making them veri tight same as 1770 and 1990 but even worse the OG build is the Most Comfortable of all beyerdynamic headphones plus many types of earpads that change the sound significantly cause Beyer uses pads in their sound tuning alot they are easily serviceable unlike 700 and 900 and the headband on the OG model is better more comfortable and it Dosn't get like on 700 and 900 pro x i wanted to get them bought but after having both for some time i ended returning both and stayed with my 770 Pro 80 ohm which are Perfect for Gaming and music now i just have to find myself 990 Pro 80 ohm
May I ask for your advice!
If I'm going to solely rely on headphones, without studio monitors, which one between the DT770PRO/DT990PRO/DT700PROX/DT900PROX is the best for electronic music production? Can I trust the open-backs for translating the mixed bass to other systems?
I don't have an answer for you. There's no such thing as "the best" for anything. If you're serious about making your own music, I encourage you to ask people in A/V forums. Audiophile forums are a terrible place to get accurate advice about professional gear.
Conclusion keeping the DT 770...
How does this compare to the dt177x?
I have no idea. I don't have a 177x
ugh, it does create a "3D" effect.
Use it for gaming, and then compare it to other headphones.
These are proper gaming headphones. They perform exceptionally.
ANY other? Ok. All of the Austrian Audio headphones present far greater placement and “3D”-ness.
Day 10 and im yet to decide between 700 and 900 :D
Lol. Coin toss.
@@NoThemeReviews emm sound about right, either one will probably be better than my 80€ closed back gaming headset :D
i prefer the good old dt 770 pro design. these new ones just doesnt look so good....the only cool thing is detachable xlr cable.
Had the 700’s for a few days now and idk what it is or if mine are broken but if I listen to a normal song through them, the mid/high ranges sound extremely tinny and distorted, to the point where I’d say they’re the worst headphones/earphones I’ve ever heard. There’s just no quality in that mid to high range for some reason and for £220 I’m a bit pissed off considering how good they’re meant to be
What did you listen to? I’ll check on my pair.
@@NoThemeReviews just found out it was for some reason the headphone jacks on my PC for some reason making them distorted and horrible. Plugged straight into my monitor and they were perfect so not sure entirely what’s going on there. Thanks though
@Vikhr both tbh. The sound is amazing and the reason for the poor quality was a setting turned on to enhance the signal and yeah it was just ruining them for some reason
I purchased the DT 900 prox and had to return them for 2 reasons...1 they gave me a headache as they are too tight for my head and 2 I didnt really appreciate the sound of these. They were lacking definition and clarity...I was hoping for more of a neutral sound for mixing and mastering...not these.
What do you mean "lacking of clarity?"
These or AA Xi-55?
Depends on what you’re after. They’re VERY different from each other.
All-around closed headphones,music,movies...but still detailed ...@@NoThemeReviews
Not the x55 then. It’s only good for detail. Otherwise you’ll wonder what happened to the bass and why your ears hurt from the harsh sounds.
But I want to hear those 16 steps...😀@@NoThemeReviews
@@Poludioskroz Lol. Well...then the X55!
No theme reviews are a theme in itself.
This was an Amazon review
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You like pads
The detailed listening in the 900 prox can't be matched with the 700 pro x. The 700 pro x bass was overwhelming and would often cloud the audio. Making my head hurt and not allow you to hear footsteps. I wanted to love the 700 pro x, but left with the 900 pro x. Better overall unit
Tyger is for gaming not either of these
2nd
It's a DT Series headphone. There a multiple third party pads made for the DT Series. Why wouldn't you think that any of these would be suitable?
These are new pads with a totally different, proprietary attachment system. You can’t use any other pads without mods. Look at the video.
He has spoken about this twice now-in the 900 and 700 video. These are different pads. It’s like one of the first things he says in the build section and it’s in the video several times
dammmmmmmmmmmm, if you we're talking to women im sure they would be throwing their panties at you, lol you are the Man!! can you review the dt 700 on games.
from what i can see Beyerdynamic is doing with DT700 and 900 Pro X exactly what other companies do The Hype train it looks like these headphones are made for ppl that care more about looks then function ppl that are new to all this and want the new best thing that looks good the only thing good in these headphones are the earpads they are better then the stock pads of the OG series but unfortunately they are proprietary crap so no 3th party pads Beyerdynamic apparently Dosn't allow other companies to do anything for 700 and 900 Pro X and theres a reason for that the target group for these things 700 and 900 Pro X are not bad as headphones after all it's Beyerdynamic but for double the price they offer LESS then the OG versions remember the OG versions have many variations these don't OG are more comfortable OG has 3th party earpads OG has stand the test of time 35 years i just don't see if anyone has the OG model would want to get these or even if you don't why would you buy these double the price to get less plus the sound signature is basically identical these Headphones are All Looks made for Hype Idiots that want the Latest and "Greatest" meaning a Money Grab i bet studio and professionals will stick with the Old ones
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