Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X First Impressions
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- Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X first impressions and unboxing. These are my raw, unscripted first impressions about the new Beyerdynamic headphones. A full review will be coming along later.
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Just a casual chat about the new Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X. A full review will be along later, when I have the time, I have a lot going on at the moment which is why I'm just doing a first impressions video for now. Are you excited for these headphones?
I'm curious to hear the full review. It terms of just for music
I'm excited but anxious in the same time as I really didn't like 1770s. In my opinion it wasn't an upgrade over 770s plus they were overpriced. I hope 700X are better and worth the price if not I'm going back to 770s.
hello new viewer here and ofc i am excited because i am in the market for a new set of closed back cans [low,mid-range]
Definitely excited! Can't wait for your review
We're so eager for your review! Can't wait.
Thanks for the review, and ohhh, the "cable management" was supposed to be a wristband, like you wear it on festivals :-)
I'm sorry but why would anyone except company employees would wear a branded wristband? :)
@@mungojerrie86 Some people might even wear shoes with Nike branding on it :D
@beyerdynamic thanks for the comment. I feel silly now, but I don't go to festivals so I didn't recognise what it was.
@@mungojerrie86 beyerdynamic > lollapalooza
Ahh festivals, a thing of the past, not part of the new world ;( Beyerdynamic thank you for producing such high end gear! Everyone needs to experience a open back headset
Great to see you doing vids again and this is the perfect product to return to!
So glad to see thatvyou're back! And super happy that I didn't unsubscribe from the channel thinking that you weren't producing more videos. I hung in there hoping you'd come back. You really have a natural talent for this. There was a reason why Resolve invited you on as a guest despite being so new on TH-cam. I hope you'll make many more vids in the future!
Thanks. I'm still here, just at the moment I cant churn out weekly videos, too much going on. But hopefully things will improve soon. Thanks for sticking with me :D
This was a legitimately enjoyable review, thank you. I appreciate that, as a 770 PRO 80ohm daily user, I found a video by a fellow daily user to compare truly the differences honestly before I add them to my can collection. :)
Would you recommend the 700 or the 770?
Great to see you making content again, Wheezy! Looking forward to your full review and thoughts on the 900.
Great to see you!
I think I’m going to pick up a pair of these. I’ve really been going down a closed back rabbit hole. Still haven’t found the Goldilocks headphone yet.
@cheapaudioman did u tried the original ones? But 80ohm version which has more detailed bass which are not that boomy :) also not that harsh sound.
Thank you for a very comprehensive review!
Nice review. The long cable is for musicians tracking at drumkits or standing at various points in a room where players will commonly share a headphone amp.
Nice video, I can’t wait for the review. I just decided to buy a set of DT770 80ohm as my ATH M40x’s aren’t in the best shape anymore and found about these. Now I’m torn between the two and sadly don’t have a place to try them out.
Welcome back Wheezy!
Great preview, Noel. I’m looking forward to the review of both new Beyers. They are a bit pricey here in Canada as they are everywhere it seems.
They certainly are priced a little on the high side. I guess when they trickle down to more retailers prices will start to drop.
Missed you Wheezy, love the casual vibe of this video.
Keen to pick up a 770 80ohm at some point. I prefer it’s retro looks, cost, proven durability, and I’d like a step-up in SQ from my modded Takstar Pro 82s. Nothing like a closed back when your wife’s mowing the lawn and you’re trying to concentrate on a TH-cam video. 😂
What would the treble be like compared to, lets say, an HD600? Really curious!
Once you get the 990, I suggest trying the black tygr pads on it too, it should have a different sound, and of course the sound will change again after a few months on the stock pads.
Welcome back!
Which one would you advise to buy for gaming purposes (hearing footsteps)? Regardless of the price.
Those pads are everything! Btw, would the headband take to a slight bending to adjust clamping force higher or lower if need be or is the surround still too plasticky to do without cracking easily? Great to see you back!
I've been flexing them trying to get the headband to give a little. I had a look under the padding and its the same old spring steel design encased in the rubberised coating. The coating seems to be really flexible so doesn't look like there will be any issues with cracking.
Just got mines today. I love them. I recommend them to anybody.
Thanks for the review! I wish these had a little bit higher impedance or more impedance versions! Many audio interfaces like my ssl 2+ have a hi-ish output impedance! In my case about 10 Ohm. I guess I’m limited to 770 80 Ohm. Any other recommendation? Thnx in advance!
How do you compare freq response of these to k371? I cannot stand 770 brightness, and k371 sounds like spot on, but i’m not happy with their construction. So are 700 not brighter than k371?
Which DT is best for just vocal recording whilst also listening the instrumental so has to be detachable cable? It's hard to find DT 177x Go in UK.
I have akg371, thanks to you and metal571. I was interested even to dt770 pro 80ohm, but I don't have any amp, so I opted for the akg371, they're amazing after two years. You think that the limited edition 770 pro X with 48ohm are going to be a better and an already well rounded 770 pro version? Or maybe going to upgrade with this 700 pro x?
*Can you do a video how install or modify the headphone with removal cable, please*
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the cables n the foam cussion. Have many people had this problem?
I record music on a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (1st Gen), do you recommend me the DT700 PRO X or the DT770 PRO for recording? Also want to use them casually to listen some music, but the mainly use will be for recording. Greetings from Argentina.
At this point which of the two would you recommend between the 770 and the 700 Pro X for content creators and streamers?
Cool. It's great they finally have a removable cable. I'd be curious about the soundstage and imaging.
Wow! This Cans Incredibly Fancy, Big Fan Of Beyerdynamic Products
Your video looks amazing! What camera do you use? I've been trying to justify the top of the line DT 1770. Do you think it is worth the extra money? Great review by the way. Like and subscribed!
Hi. How do you think the 48ohm impedance on the DT 700 Pro X will handle the 12 ohm output impedance on my source? Will use it on a guitar modeller with the mentioned output impedance and an audio interface with a 10ohm output impedance.
Been really torn between the Pro X and the DT 770 250ohm for weeks now.
Help.
It really looks like Beyerdynamic finally saw how good Dekoni's earpads are and how they can improve the sound of their headphones (look at measurements of the DT 1990 Pro with Elite Velours) and finally made the plunge into these new more comfy types xD
Hey there! Thank you so much for this video! I ordered myself the DT 700 PRO X on Friday. Your video was among the videos I watched before considering it. This will be a switch to a pair of closed back headphones once more, after using the AKG K712 Pro headphones for five years, which actually was an open back pair of headphones. But in my time, I have been using preferably closed back headphones. Originating with the rather simple Sennheiser PC 151 and PC 161 headsets, being primarily a gamer back then, I have a history with Beyerdynamic. The 80 ohm MMX 300 Headset, which pretty much is a DT 770 Pro with a microphone attached was my entry to actual headphones. I got these, because listening to music became more and more important to me. I gave the Denon AH-D 1100 a go, but those were really poorly built, and showed signs of breaking, so I sent them back early, getting a refund. This experience made having a durable pair important to me or let’s say it made me focus on it more.Later, in 2014, I did, what I hoped to be a major upgrade and got a T70P pair of headphones. As we all can tell nowadays, these never got a fan base and was discontinued and honestly, I feel like I know why. As my pair got a broken cable within the warranty, I was able to send them back and get a refund. Luckily this time, I must say, because I didn’t particularly liked them for the price I paid. So the AKG K712 Pro were my venture into open back headphones, but while in 5 years of usage for listening to music I actually liked them, recording and live streaming became a thing in 2018. And for that these were never really ideal, because of possible bleed issues. Also, some parts of the K712 Pro aren’t repairable and broke on me. They are still working fine, nevertheless, but I wonder, for how long. I did order the DT 700 PRO X for being a replace everything pair of headphones. I know Beyerdynamic sells replacements for almost everything on the the DT 770 Pros, but replacing the cables would require soldering, which I’m not comfortable with. I expect the DT700 PRO X to be slightly different sounding, but my main focus is on the possibility to replace pretty much everything later on. That being said, I *HOPE*, I will be. While replacing the cable is possible today, with the parts listed on the website, any padding - or additional parts - are not listed at the time I write this comment. Since Beyerdynamic advertises this even with a manual of how to replace certain parts, I decided for the DT 700 PRO X, especially since I have a history of bad luck with breaking cables, which was why I didn’t like to get the DT 770 Pro. I want to be able to repair them, rather than replacing them, because the pads *will* and the cable *might* need replacing down the line. The rest looks like it could be built to last. Time will tell. For now, one thing to mention is: the adapter for the plug has a really unusual threading and I didn’t find a replacement for it, aside from getting a replacement cable + the plug, which is rather expensive. With your testimony on the headband casing, I hope it will be replaceable down the line. Again, time will tell.
Thanks for the review, helps a lot. I'm going to bet those earpads are not memory foam by the way they react (seeing them in your video). Memory foam is somewhat squishy, and it take a couple seconds to return to its normal position. Where as the usual medium density foam returns to position almost instantly. I'm really not saying either one is preferred, just personal taste, and memory foam costs more. If you have a set of the Philips Fidelio X2 or X2HR they have memory foam and you can tell when you squeeze it. So a bit less treble than the 770's? Would you go as far and say like the infamous Sennheiser veil?
You're right they are not memory foam. At first glance they looked like they should be but this was my raw first impressions. Its actually really sad that they aren't memory foam because it does have an impact on the comfort.
Nice casual chat...thanks. I love the 990 and 770's and have the 250 ohm and 600 ohm of the former and 80 ohm of the latter. I've just ordered the 900 Pro X as just can't resist trying them out. Like you, I actually get on fine with the treble peak on the 990 and 770, especially when it eases off after the pads flatten a little and also when my brain has accustomed to it after listening to more veiled headphones. I don't EQ any longer, but if I did I'd probably still drop the 990's down a tad somewhere in the treble frequencies, so I'm hoping that the 900 Pro X give me that slight reduction, but not too far. Also, hope the bass quantity is about the same.
As regards the comfort of these new models, you might find that the pads soften a bit and therefore clamping force also eases a bit, after a little use. Now looking forward to your 900 Pro X review!
I listened to the 900 Pro x and its not as bright as the 1990 which is good its a really enjoyable headphone, not particularly neutral, not sure how it stacks up with the 990 tho, I'm gonna post a first impressions in a few days time
@@WheezyTech 990s are bit brighter then 1990s have less bass but more soundstage
@@pajda102 1990's has more bass than all the DT series?
Great to see you reviewing headphones again (I know this is just a 'first impression' but still great 😄). It would be fantastic to know your thoughts about their sound (DT 900 Pro X especially) vs. the AKG K712 Pro 👌
Do u recommend 700 pro x or Sennheiser 600 hd
For mixing vocals !!!
Hi Noel, please help me, i could replace my sony wh xm3 for this. I need a close back, but no more the noise cancelation. I this an upgrade? Thanks
Would you transfer the ear pads from the dt700 to the dt770?
Would love to see a comparison between the dt 900 pro x and the sundara.
Did you get your Topping L30 yet?
Solid channel. Liked and subbed.
The thin foam in one of my DT 770 Pro cans. has deteriorated. Basically it has shredded. Not sure what to do about it.
Recently bought this.. Is it just me or does this headphone have a narrower dynamic range compared to let's say sundara?
It's like the variation of loudness in the mix is much closer together, resulting in better ability to pick up low-volume sounds, but also makes it less exciting.
How do they sound compared to k371?
How does this compare to the AKG K371 headphones?
So this Headphones are made for creators, but iam just a normal musik enjoyer. Are they worth the money and does it makes sense to buy them when you just listen to musik? Because they look pretty cool and interesting.
are the earcups plastic or metal?
Will hope to hear your take on this vs the K371 on sound quality. Build quality always goes to Beyerdynamic.
not always: my dt1990pro failed while my akg k371 is still doing well.
Finally a detachable cable
Compared to the MMX 300II?
Nice opinel. Very classy
Without wishing to give away my age, I've had it for around 25 years. Although its pretty much only used for opening boxes these days.
I have the DT770 Pro 32 Ohms and they sound Awesome using them now over 3 years, I listen to psytrance and stuff and when i feel i need more bass i use my hip dac 2 which is awesome with the extra bass button, on the laptop i use some times a chrome bass equalizer extesion if i feel to need a little extra bass the headphones are extremly extremly clear and soft clouds havenly sounding in the highs and the bass is nice and punchy which makes me enjoy the music on another level. I love them. I have the M50x as well but i gave them to my mom because i did not use them that much I used to watched movies with them but now I dont watch no more movies and for music i prefer 770s.
First comment, waiting for this review. 💥💥
16:51 Doesn't it affect the treble?
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that's in times like this that i really miss your reviews.
Hi! Discovering your channel. Did you stop making videos altogether?
Waiting for the full review, this was a great first impressions video. I'm stuck between getting these 700 pro x or the DT 770 pro 80 Ohm with a scarlet solo interface. What would you say is worth the money?
What did you get?
@@Rudex01 700 pro X mate and ive had the 990s and these are better in my opinion and i can take them traveling easier less power to power them, it was the right choice for me mate. Happy with my decision.
@James Cooper Hey thank you for the answer. I got them too and it's very good. I tested the 770 too and they are not that good in my opinion like the 700 Pro X. Do you use an AMP / DAC? I have a FiiO K3 and they are good but I don't know if it's a good desktop amp. Greetings
@@Rudex01 Greetings to you too mate, Yeah i dont use an amp because they are loud enough on my setup atm. But i did look into dac/amps and I'm pretty set on getting the schitt magni 3. but they're pretty hard to get a hold of in the uk. But I just keep my volume on my desktop at 30 all the time good enough for me and the soundstage is way better then I expected so they're great for gaming and music listening. I went traveling through France and Spain and they could just about be powered by a Bluetooth receiver and they survived the road trip so they're perfect for me :)
Interesting first impressions but where is the promised full review?
Is it possible to use a mini xlr to p2 3.5mm (female/female) adapter and squeeze a mod mic in it?
I suppose you could rig something up. But maybe have a look for the Custom One Pro or Custom Studio if you can find one. The latter basically being a 770 in a different shell with a 3.5mm jack.
I prefer the 770s sound and looks. Old school here!
Can you replace earpads on this headphones? thats really crucial for me, since they usually wear pretty quick and look horrible.
Yeah they are replaceable. The pads aren't showing on the Beyer site just yet but should be on there soon. They are held in with a retention ring which may limit you using third party replacements but I would usually advise against that, most headphones sound best with original pads. With that said Dekoni have already said they will produce a pair with the retention ring for these headphones.
please do a overview from this headphones, is more of a year
Did he go make the review of these somewhere else?
Finally a real review from someone who knows a thing or two about headphones, lol. Those day one reviews (if you can call them that) by a bunch of 12 year old bedroom producers were horrible. They all just read what's on the website and smiled a lot, lol.
Video was really nice, Thank you!! But please don‘t do Auto ISO on your Camera again 🙏
They don't replace or upgrade the high impedence 250ohm 770dtx pro. Wish they had.
Its those new cussions they are putting over the driver. Yes they reduce the treble but they just muffle the sound and you lose a lot of detail. Id be swapping them out ASAP.
I swapped the mesh out with the inner mesh on my dt 770s and I think it fixes the issues I had with both
@@Fallen_Family Yes it does. I did the same with the TYGR 300R and it sounds loads better 👍
my sennheiser hd600 has 3.5mm jack, with an adapter - you cant see it but it is there. And Sennheiser is a Hifi headset - why wouldnt you use it at your hifi? Most do.. Therefor the adapter is annoying.
Weirdly sad to see that this comes with a competent bag and not the classic nylon Beyerdynamic nightmare. Great video, definitely going to pick these up myself in the next month or two.
That nylon bag did have its old school charm especially with its little name tag window thing
If you get the 990, do yourself the favor of going for the 600 Ohm version :)
You know the bidness ^^
There are plenty of great closed-back headphones that compete with or surpass the quality and sound. If you get out of Pro Audio and into Hi-Fi there are a ton of options.
Don't give me half a story! Give me a couple of options! Por favor!
@@gfrizzleshizzlemanizzle Most closed back headphones seem to have problems, Focal Celestee sounds really good and natural but literally the music is in your head because the soundstage is very narrow but definetly one of the best sounding closed back. Audeze LCD-XC New version is great sounding and has good soundstage but is a bit heavy sadly. I think there are way too few really good closed back headphones
In fact the tygr 300r is more similar to the 600ohm dt880 headphones (soundwise) :) they are kings, and calm down by the time when the earpads are worn out.
In my experience the TYGR is significantly more bassy than the 880, at least the two units I have here, the 880 is much leaner.
I find it interesting that you find the 770 comfortable. I had to completely replace the headband bc it was unbearable, and the pads feel cheap and thin.
have you try the Sony MDR7506 pad? the 770 are like paradise in comparison
lo ve your channel and your videos, and I trust you more than any other reviewers. These replace 1770 and 1990, not 770 and 990.
well, I guess i was wrong, watched now til the end. thanks for the great work you make, really HQ.
They seem to slot in between the 770 and the 1770, but it seems like a whole new philosophy over both those previous models with this new low impedance driver
@@WheezyTech thanks for the reply!! Yes, pricewise seems like that. I think it is a great idea that pricing, 1770 too expensive for a closed back, 770 great price, but... no detachable cable stock... also, I bought myself a 770 pro 80Ohm last year... mids were clearly very scooped, so much I didn't want to wait for burn in or what not, also not easy to drive via ipod. returned them inmediately. Sennheiser hd25 still my king for closed wired portable, with thicker pads. Looking for a candidate to replace the hd25. Thought last year 770 80Ohm, but boy, the hd25 sound signature kills any other headphone. The only similar thing are my audeze lcd2 of 900€, still hd25 the most fun. shame cups are small, on ear... thse new 700prox possible candidate to replace them.
these look promising
It seems to be a cheaper DT177X GO headphones
pretty sure you can just bend the metal parts attached to the cups and fix the clamp, sounds promising, too bad they're way more expensive than the 770 rn
I've been flexing them trying to get the headband to give a little. I guess it will over time.
Yeah, a removable cable is nice in case it ever brakes, but what most people wanted was a 3.5mm socket, so they can use cables with integrated microphones (such as boom mic pro)
Personally the mini XLR is exactly what I wanted from the 770 or its successor. The Custom One Pro or Custom Studio are basically what you are looking for, it already has the 3.5mm jack. If I wanted something to use with a boom mic that's what I would use. They also have the MMX 300 which is basically a 770 with a mic attached.
@@WheezyTech Its not like the custom one pro are the same like dt 770 with 3.5 jack. Thats just a way to descripe them in the most simple way for people who were not into beyerdynamics before. They sound very boring with very little soundstage compared to the actual dt 770 pro. Anyway, that you say that the clamping force is even higher than on the dt 770 pro and that the sound is not stunning for almost double the price of the older gen headsets, i'm sticking to my dt 770 pro 80 ohm and my dt 990 premium 600 ohm for my daily driver. Have to use those with attached mic when gaming, but I'm used to it by now. I modded my Hyper x cloud II before and while it finally turned out good it was a pain in the ass. Not doing that again.
Thats fair, they aren't quite a 770. The Modmic is pretty great and the wireless one is well worth it if you don't want the extra cables, I used one for a while before I started using a dedicated mic on a boom arm
Nice little plug for The Everyday Dad. 👍🏽
I just bought the DT 770 Pro 80 Ohms and I absolutely love them. I enjoy the so-called "Mt. Beyer" peak at around 8k but I really think that's only a factor if you listen to music at ear-splitting volumes. If you listen at more moderate levels, it really does give the music space and energy. Anyway, I love them.
And now we have the new 700/800 Pro X models. I will look forward to hearing what you have to say because the more cushier pads and detachable cable is really, really nice and if the sound is "better", I will have to consider an upgrade but right now, I wouldn't see any reason to do that.
Who knows? Maybe the pads on the 700 Pro X will fit on the 770 Pro?
Doesn't look like the pads will fit as they have a new retention ring system on the new models, they'd probably change the sound of the 770 too much anyway which is a shame because these new pads are awesome
@@WheezyTech yeah it probably will. Oh well. I’ll be looking forward to your complete review. Thanks.
What do you think about the Moondrop quarks?
I should probably pick up a pair cos they are so cheap but I haven't tried them yet
@@WheezyTech I would cause they're pretty damn good for being so crazy cheap
how does it compare to k371?
would love to know this as well
Superlux HD-330 are the key! Taste it!
2 TWSBI ECO on the table? I love the brand..... 🙂
You’re audio is superb. What mic you using. Great video keep it up
The Band ist supposed to go on your arm its a festival wristband
19:10 "the only negative i could see"
didn't get one in my hands yet, still waiting for more reviews, but i can already see more than one:
- heavier (more in the cosmetic way than the sturdy way unfortunately)
- huge price increase (you're better off with a dt770 and a cable mod)
- new pad system with plastic ring (probably more fragile and not compatible with third party pads like the dekonis or else you already own)
- new headband clipped in plastic (probaly more fragile than the old headband with metal clips)
- only one impedance available (as opposed to 3 with the dt770)
now for the build quality, i'd like to dismantle one and see if they made the same mistake with the metal screws in plastic threads. had this problem with the dt1990 even though almost every youtuber claimed it was "build like a tank" without ever dismantle one to prove it.
i own the akg371 and it is still going well, the dt1990 supposedly tougher failed first. the dt770 and dt990pro still going well after all these years.
so i wonder if these new dt1xx0 and dtx00 series build quality will be able to last as long, guess we'll know in 20 years.
for now all i see is increased cosmetics, weight and price.
i wonder how the new 48 ohm stellar drivers slam compared to the teslas?
keep in mind that for the same price you could have both dt770 and akg371, so it's gotta be a huge sound improvement for this much money.
waiting for your full review with sound, hope you'll compare it with dt770 and akg371.
RE the negatives, this was just a first impressions off the top of my head, there's a few things I didn't mention that I'll be covering in the full review.
Which part of your 1990 broke? They really are built like tanks, but no headphone is indestructible, I'd trust any Beyerdynamic, or Sennheiser for that matter, to be in one piece long after many other brands have fallen apart. The important thing with Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser is that replacement parts are readily available from headphones spares stockists, even from Amazon. They are designed to not only be tough, but most importantly, be easily repairable.
@@WheezyTech the weak point of the DT1XX0 series is the new yoke locks design that can't handle the strain from both the yokes and heavier headband with thin plastic cover and threads.
it got loose on mine, see this part of the teardown: th-cam.com/video/D84OJF1fEYc/w-d-xo.html
it cracked on this other one: th-cam.com/video/1-XpM1gS8EY/w-d-xo.html
this guy explains the problem and says in his review "that crack is quite common". and i bet it will be even more common after all owners have them used for a few years.
my first beyer was a DT770PRO, still working after 20 years (only had to change pads and cable, went for xlr). very sturdy. took a lot of abuse, but the yoke locks on the old design never failed on me... no wonder: it was lighter, thinner metal frame, and no extra strain from adding heavier headband extra pressure on it with the same "only 2 small screws in plastic threads" design!
so, easily repairable is one thing, lack of sturdiness because of design flaw is another. when you put more strain and pressure with heavier parts on the same thin plastic part and threads, the failing rate will unavoidably increase.
this new design is not built like a tank anymore, unless tanks nowadays have plastic threads for the wheels but it's ok because the army has spare parts when it fails.
beyer should have gone (at least) for female metal threads inserts and thicker plastic on the yoke locks to handle the new added strain from bigger frame and heavier headband. they went for fake metal cups covers, fake leather stitches and shiny fake mesh instead.
fun fact: i was a little concerned when i saw your honest review about AKG K371 bad build quality. eventually they said they'll check qc, so i took a chance and bought one to see by myself... well, this little guy is still going strong with everyday use and travel for now. at the same time my DT1990PRO kept safe in studio and praised by almost all youtubers to be "build like a tank" failed after less than a year. pretty ironic.
That fault is not unheard of on the older models either, its usually the first thing to go. The older models are also metal screws in plastic. But I get your point, I think its the increased clamping force versus older models which is causing extra strain.
As far as I'm concerned I still think they are very well built. I've had my 1990 for around 4 years and there are no issues with any Beyer I've ever owned. Anecdotal of course. But I do want to reiterate its not just the design but the high availability of replacement parts and reparability of these designs that is the real winner in my book and I think that more than makes up for any perceived weaknesses in the design.
It could be argued that Sennheiser's designs such as their 500 and 600 series are better, they also provide readily available replacement parts and are designed to be repairable. Although many would knock them for being almost entirely made of plastic.
As always its going to come down to whatever you feel comfortable with so its fair criticism.
@@WheezyTech you're right, the older models were plastic threads too. i've seen some pictures of broken ones and even 3d printed spare parts.
- but out of the countless reviews, how many mentionned this fact, compared to all the ones jumping the "build like a tank" hype train?
- the yoke lock hinge being the most critical part, knowing that point of failure when upgrading to new design bulkier, heavier, wider (and 3 times more expensive btw) why not upgrade with metal inserts female theads? this is a question i wish some big reviewer asked to beyer themselves. none of them does.
your example is interesting: they are well built if you compare them with sennheisers (and other brands mostly made of plastic). what if you compare them with a real mostly metal build with all parts available worldwide? ollo cans are mostly made of metal. the yoke hinge (the most critical part) is made of metal! check their spare parts page (available from the main menu btw), everything is on sale, even the screws! and the best part is the company asks their consumers what changes they want when they upgrade the design.
if a new and small company like this can do it, why wouldn't big old beyer?
i have a doubt about "high availability of replacement parts" from beyer since i read comments about how the parts shop is not available on their site outside of germany and france, and how hard it is to order parts from the states. i'd like to see one reviewer outside of eu actually try this and testify from real experience. none of them did.
not everyone feels like it is fair criticism: in fact i get some hate from fanboys and i see my comments disappear from a lot of headphones youtube reviewers who sound more like hype salemans than honest critical reviewers. i gotta thank you for this.
one could think this is me bashing beyer when it's not: i've been using their cans for years, but i think they could do better.
shoutout to this guy from "no theme reviews" channel because he's one of the rare reviewers that always speaks the truth about weaknesses and defaults, and the only one to always consider the value factor (price vs performance and sturdiness) for each product.
and i think consumers deserve the truth when they spent their hard earned money after watching a review from a youtuber they trust.
@@testek3053 Even if they reinforced the thread with metal, that would still be encased in plastic and prone to cracking. Perhaps if they had made the whole slider from metal but that would add cost and weight. Its all a balance when in reality the incidences of cracking are low compared to shipped units, easy to just provide replacements should they break. And my argument is that by making parts available you never need to retire a headphone after a failure unlike some headphones in the cheaper price brackets and even some more expensive ones from other companies have some crazy design choices. Although I do agree that it is a lot less forgivable on a £400 headphone like the 1990 versus a ~£100 headphone like the 770.
On that note Beyerdynamic have stopped shipping to the UK due to Brexit, but its kind of moot as all headphones and parts are available from UK stockists anyway, even Amazon in some cases.
Props to Ollo tho, that's really good to see. I've wanted to try their headphones for a while now.
Reviewers don't tend to mention it cos its a small problem. Beyerdynamic are well known for lasting many years with the only needed replacements being the headband padding and the earpads. They have a reputation that has been built up over decades and comes from the experience that they actually do last. Most reviewers, most users in fact, will never have a problem. And of course those who do post online complaining of issues are a self selecting group.
I'm not saying Beyer could not improve the design in some areas of course. But on the "built like a tank" mantra. A tank is more durable than a car, but they still get destroyed on a battlefield. The DT770 as a "monitoring" headphone is constructed in an incredibly more tough way than the MDR7506 for example, but I'm sure you could break the 770 if you wanted to. Its all relative.
To finish, it does look like Beyerdynamic have sought to address this with the 700/900 Pro X as the adjuster unit seems to have been completely redesigned. Obviously time will tell how durable it turns out to be.
Aesthetically I prefer the DT 1XX0 / DT XX0 .
I love them all, the old school design of the 770 and 990, especially the 990 with the silver lining behind the grille, that really pops. 1990 is just pure bling. But I really like this new 700 Pro X too. Although I find the new 900 Pro X a little bland looking.
exchangeable cables, yay.
Interesting that they changed up the earpads after all this time, these almost look like dekoni clones.
Yeah they look exactly like that, although the velour is the softest velour I've ever felt, its beautiful. Seems to be held on with a ring retention method similar to the HD600 style earpads so that is probably going to limit replacements. Although I don't think that's an issue cos these are too nice to want to swap out.
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Wheezy ... where are you ? What happened ? Are you okay ?
So basically Sennheiser finally made the upgrades the 770s and 990s really needed to compete better at that $150 price point.... and they're $300.
24:29 K702 review incoming? :)
Maybe, but I prefer to give a headphone the daily driver treatment for a few weeks before doing a proper review and I just cant use them with my glasses because unlike with the memory foam earpads on the K712, the stiff pads on the K702 don't conform to my glasses and I cant get a seal. The bass just disappears into a blackhole and that just highlights the upper mid shout even more and its just a disaster. Without my glasses they don't sound too bad. Prefer the HD560S tho.
@@WheezyTech Yeah, the K702 is still the budget soundstage king, but besides that it doesn't have much going for it if you listen to anything besides classical. The HD560S is a way better value and option at this price point.
And now put those DT700 earpads on DT770. How much of a difference is that going to make? :-)
The pads seem to be held on with a ring retention method similar to the HD600 style earpads so that is probably going to limit swapping.
I guess the 700/900pros are like, a middle ground between 770/990s and the 1770/1990s
Yeah seems that's where they slot in, at least in terms of price
@@WheezyTech 48ohms seems an interesting departure though
15:15 ◀️ Found out why no follow up. Not 😺 proof!
Oh god.... don't tell me they gave it the T1 treatment....
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