Beyerdynamic DT 900 & 700 Pro X Headphones Review
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- A review of the new @beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X and DT 700 Pro X headphones including #headphonecomparisons with the Sennheiser HD560S and the Ollo S4X (V1). The new Pro X series headphones have been designed with creators in mind so I considered them both for mixing, mastering and editing, but also for pure listening enjoyment.
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00:00 Introduction
01:35 Glamour Video
02:08 Design & specs
04:34 Accessories
11:24 Sound Quality: DT 900 Pro X
15:37 Sound Quality: DT 700 Pro X
20:16 DT 900 Pro X vs Sennheiser HD560S
25:49 DT 900 Pro X vs Ollo S4X V1
27:22 Final Conclusions
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Hey I want to tell you how much I appreciate your comparison to the HD560S
So glad it was helpful!
Very well done, thank you. I appreciate that you have had these 'phones for a decent amount of time before reviewing. You bring a balanced perspective . You are thorough. I find your comparisons helpful. You seem to respect the products you review while not over-praising them.
I'm glad you liked it, Clarke. I try to always take a balanced approach to the pros and cons of every product. Almost every product has a place in the market for certain people so, for me, it's about identifying and discussing that.
This is the absolute best review Ive seen of the DT 900 pro x. Thank you for the freq response charts. I couldnt even find these charts on Beyer's site! Love the flat response of the lows and mids. This is def a headphone ill be considering. Thank you!
So glad you liked the review!
I got my 900 Pro X today, superb sound, and not as open as I thought, I would say that they are a bit in between closed and wide open, the base is tight and clear, the sound stage is fantastic for the price, and the comfort, my God. ... they are the most comfortable headphones I have ever wear, it's like having soft pillows over my ears, it was a long time ago I was so happy with a purchase.
So glad you're enjoying them. Great choice!
@JungleBubble They do not leak much sound at all, I think they are perfect for gaming, I use mine for MSFS flight sim, and they are perfect for that purpose, and I think they would be a perect choise fo all gamers.
Wireless has its own drawbacks and can be done very cheaply, but I still prefer the lossless connections of wired headphone and think you'll really like the DT 900s
Have you tried the 1990’s? Those would be ideal but because they’re a bit more open there’s more sound leak vs the more semi open design of the 900 pro X’s
@@NeonPizzas I have upgrade to 1990, and they are perfect for gaming with the analytical pads.
I really appreciate that you listened to these for months prior to posting a review. Very informative! I've been looking at the 700 Pro X for a while now because I need a closed back headphone with relatively low impedance. Other reviewers have said that they have a decently balanced sound, and I'm in love with the design, the Beyer build quality is great to have too, needless to say.
I'm curious to hear though - when you say the TMA-2 Move's are better in terms of tonality and presentation, I assume you are referring to tonal balance and perhaps timbre? Also, if you were to compare the comfort of both sets directly, which one would you lean towards and why?
PS: You knocked it out of the PARK with the glamour video! I think I replayed it 5 times :D
So glad you liked the glamour video! I had fun making that one 🙂
It's always a tough decision whether to rush out a review of a new product or sit with it for a while. Glad the extended experience was helpful.
As for the TMA-2, I found they had a more natural and lifelike overall sound/timbre. I think they're probably about the same on comfort. The DT 700 has a slightly more comfortable headband and pads, but it's heavier so that offsets the overall comfort.
I'd recommend checking out my TMA-2 review for a more thorough explanation of the sound quality differences. 🙂
I just got a used 560s for $110. Pretty excited to compare with my 6XX and DT880 600ohm. Nice review as always. Cheers!
Nice deal for the 560S!
I would really enjoy the review of the microphones. Thanks!
Great! They're in transit :)
I have the dt900 pro x and the 3 pin connector is rock solid on mine, though I’m happy to know about that issue whether user caused or not. I’ve been really happy with them, especially how clean and present the sub is for a closed back set.
Glad to hear yours are doing well. I chatted to the local rep about the cable and he said that very occasionally they have a tolerance issue with the pins/sockets in the cables. In those cases, they'll just provide a new cable at no cost and all is well. 🙂
I've had no further issues with the cable connections on either the 900s or 700s
Just got my 900’s a few days ago. I’d recommend increasing the bass a bit with your DAC’s EQ, since it makes a world of a difference and using high gain for the 900s. I haven’t tinkered with anything else just yet, but as is they sound pretty great for the price!
Glad you're enjoying them!
thank you so much, this is an amazing video!
I'm so glad it helped
This has really helped deciding between the 900 and the 560s. I'm looking for something fairly flat but still has a good balanced tuning and fun sound for playing guitar with digital modellers and tube amps. I was worried the 560 might sound a bit sterile and thin on the backing tracks for metal. If only the 900 had the sound stage of the 560. This is exactly the comparison I was looking for. Thanks.
So glad I could help!
Agreed, the DT 700 has excellent isolation but you definitely want to keep the treble in check, the DT 900, from what little time I've spent with them, were quite pleasing.
@@ElliottAlmaty havent compared but probably as good as it gets for closed backs. 1770 is very isolating as well but too bassy.
Do you know DT700's isolation in dB? What does good mean?
I don't know the dB rating as I'm not setup to measure that. For me, good means that they noticeably and significantly reduce my ability to hear and be distracted by background noise.
I picked these 900 pro x up for $179 just now, on sale, thanks to your review. They are fantastic. I was worried they would sound "too open" but they really don't. Bass is good, but the high end is amazing.
So glad you're enjoying them! 🙂🙂
$179!? I just bought mine for $370 🤣
@@Salt9696 refurbished ones on Amazon were 179 for Christmas. DT 900 pro X
I'd buy these for $180 eyes closed
I agree
This video helped me decide to buy the DT 900 Pro X! When it comes to plugging these headphones in, does using an adapter cable (female 6.35mm to male 3.5mm) to plug into a computer affect the sound negatively in any way? Or would it be better to not use an adapter, and instead just plug the 6.35mm headphone jack directly into an audio interface/pre-amp device? I heard someone say that their audio interface made these headphones sound a little hissy since the headphones' impedance is so low.
You generally want to minimise the number of wires and connections in the signal path so if you can plug in directly, that would be my recommendation. They're not a particularly hiss-prone headphone (unless the connector between the headphone and cable is damaged/loose) so they really shouldn't hiss with an interface unless there's a problem somewhere.
Thank you always for the detailed review. You said dt900 pro is better than hd560s, but how would you compare hd600/hd6xx to DT900 pro x? Is DT900 pro x still better than both? I see some people saying dt900 lack in seperation or detail sounding little dull.
If you're looking for a musical enjoyment headphone, the HD650/XX/00 could be preferable, but they're quite different. The DT 900 has a flatter overall response so it doesn't have the midrange focus of the HD6s but you get better bass and treble presence so it's a question of what you're looking for.
Hello thank you for the review. I have a question please. I am relatively new to world of HiFi. I am planning to buy 900 Pro X for listening to my audio. I like headphones that provide wide open soundstage which to me is the opposite of headphones that provide an experience like the sound is coming from inside your head. How are the pro 900x in that regard? Can I expect a sound like I'm listening to speakers instead of headphones? Thanks
I don't think the 900 Pro X will suit what you're after. As a Pro headphone, they're more focused on imaging and tonal accuracy than maximum space.
You might prefer the HD560S for a larger stage at the price
Hello there. How would you see the DT 700 compares to the T5 3rd gen? Thanks!
They're in very different leagues and have very different sounds. The T5 is unashamedly coloured and bassy while the DT700 is closer to neutral. The T5 offers better resolution, space and refinement IMO if you don't need neutrality.
Hello, what would you pick between the dt900 and the Lcd-1 with eq correction?
And what about the comfort between those?
Are the smaller cups of the lcd1 uncomfortable?
I'd probably choose the LCD-1 under those circumstances as I find the very comfortable, light and compact. They're also a little more "open" which I prefer.
@@PassionforSound and between the ollo s4 and the lcd-1 with eq ??😛
Really a great review!! Even if they are not comparable, which do you recommend between DT 900 Pro X and sivga robin? Thanks!
The DT 900 Pro X is the better headphone IMO. Better tonal balance and a more refined sound
@@PassionforSound thanks for your reply! Last question: are the DT 900 Pro x better than the meze 99 classics?
Yes, I think so. The 900 Pro X are really excellent for their price IMO
Thank you for the HD 560s comparison! For the purposes of flat frequency response ( _only_ using for mixing & mastering and thus wanting as objective a sound representation as possible), is the 900 Pro X sufficiently neutral? Any others in that price range that are more neutral? Great video!
I find the 900 to be about as neutral as you can get without going up to something like the Ollos. The 900s have worked really well for me as an editing/mixing tool.
@@PassionforSound dt 900 pro X for gaming/music or dt 990 pro? :,3
I'd take the 900 Pro X because it's a more balanced overall sound signature
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much I was very doubtful of having made a mistake in my choice because the 990 are much cheaper in my country Mexico. buy the 900 pro X
Glad I could help. I think you've made the right choice
I just got the 900 x and I like them but kinda makes me want to return them and get the 1990s for a bit more low end. However you are the first reviewer I have seen who says they would take the 900 over 1990s. With that said, should I keep the 900s or splurge on 1990s? If it helps I do have a an artist brand I frequently release on and game on my off time with these headphones. For full time production I will be using studio monitors. Thanks
I think the 900s are a better balanced headphone (tonally). That treble spike in the 1990s can do wonders sometimes, but can also throw off the tonal balance and be uncomfortable too depending on the track and source.
As for which one to keep/buy, it's such a personal decision. Both are great cans so it's about what you want rather than which one's better. Sorry I can't help more.
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for the 900's, since they are 48ohm. Would it be better to use Low gain or High Gain on a DAC? I assumed Low was the way to go but i find high gain sounds better to my ears. I've read that using high gain offers better layer sepperation, Surround/Soundstage, isolates details and is more dynamic.
My only real issue with high gain for lower ohm cans is that you have to be careful with the volume dial because it can get outrageously loud and hurt your ears if you're not careful.
In most cases, high gain should be no different from low gain. What often happens when people compare the two is that the high gain ends up being slightly louder and that creates the perception of greater dynamics, separation, etc. but it's a function of imperfect volume matching in many cases as a single dB (or even less) difference can alter our perceptions.
Great review 😊 please review the Audio Technica M70X
Audio Technica are a little hard for me to get my hands on, but I'll see what I can do
@@PassionforSound sure, would love to see your take on that pair but for the price I have heard they're really fast and DF - neutral sounding than any other headphones
Your analysis is clear and intelligently detailed. I noticed that you published a video 2 years ago on the Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium Limited Edition. For a lover of classical music, early jazz and great classic films in HD: choose the DT 880 or the DT 900 pro X ? I find that the 48 ohm impedance is low on the DT 900 pro X. Too bad that these listeners do not exist in 250 ohms.
I personally prefer the DT 900 Pro X because I think it's more tonally balanced, but I can imagine there will still be those who like the more v-shaped tuning of the DT880s. Is there a particular reason you're after a high impedance? There's no inherent benefit unless you're trying to match it with a specific tube amp for example.
I answer your question: for the higher impedance (250 to 600), it seems that you can hear more details and less risk of saturation when listening at very high volume, the definition of sound seems richer in this context of high volume (a bit like if you enlarged a photo a lot without seeing the pixels arrive too quickly). Why else do professional headphone manufacturers design so many expensive headphones with high impedance levels?
I never managed to understand this expression "v-shaped ". What does this mean in concrete terms?
The high impedance designs don't inherently bring any sonic benefit. Some of the older Beyerdynamic models may have performed better in their higher impedance variants, but that isn't about the impedance, just the design of the drivers themselves. The reason professional headphones used to be high impedance was that it allowed the use of multiple pairs at the same time without risking the impedance falling too low. (Impedance halves for each device added in parallel).
As for v-shaped, it means the bass and treble are both enhanced which can create a nice sense of space and energy, but it does so at the expense of the midrange being a bit pushed back/distant and less present in the mix.
Thank you for this very clear explanation.
You didn't tell me what is this that the V shape (tough to understand this notion).
Last question: all the testers of the 900 pro x affirm that it is Beyerdynamic's tightest on the head (that this discomfort would be its weak point). Do you confirm this point?
@@PassionforSound
I explained v-shaped sound at the end of my last post.
As for clamping force, the DT 900s are a tighter fit than older Beyerdynamic headphones, but I find them very comfortable. Like tonal preferences, comfort is also quite subjective it seems
I gave the cheap headphones to my Mum and I bought a Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X. I have the XDuoo Link v2 dongle. Fantastic sound. I also appreciate the changeable parts of it. I'm happy.
That's great news! So glad you're enjoying them 🙂🙂
@@PassionforSound Yes and thanks for your answer.
Nice 👍and your B-roll is giving Josh a run for his money 😄
Thank you! 🙂
Looking to upgrade from my dt990 pro 250ohm specials. Should I go for these or the 1990pro? Or go for something like a Dan Clark planar or meze 109 pro? I’d say about a $600 (maybe a squeak more) budget. Either that or more iems haha. I listen to mainly rock and metal and watch a lot of content/game. My only dac/amps are a qudelix 5k, btr7 and a soundblasterx g6.
I'd go for the DT 900 Pro X, but it depends a lot on your sound preferences. I've got a review of the DT1990 on the channel too so I'd recommend checking out both reviews and see which one sounds like it will be a good fit for your preferences
I have both the DT 900 Pro x and the hd560s. I wanted to get both and return one but ended up keeping both. He is right, the dt900 pro x sounds better for more genres of music but I find the hd560s sounds much more natural for gaming. Both fantastic headphones though.
Glad you were able to try both and ended up loving both for their strengths 🙂
@Passion for Sound A guy wants to trade me a 6xx for my dt900 pro x. Is that worth it?
That's a personal preference one. I don't know which of those I'd choose
I would like się 990pro x with amp MAGNAT MR 780 for games,films and music ofcourse. 560s will be better,tomorow arrive for me 990pro x 😮. Thx for answers
Hello, I am looking into these headphones for a mix of music listening (pop rock metal) and gaming.
My current sound preference is the hifiman sundara. I really like the sound of it but after less than a year its already got significant wear on the pads.
I'm curious if this headphone seems like it would be good for this use case, if it will hold up for multiple years, and how it compares to the sundara in your opinion?
I haven't compared them directly with the Sundaras, but I think they're comparable but different. I also can't say if the Beyerdynamic headphones will last better than the Sundaras because I haven't used them as extensively.
You do realise you can replace the pads on the Sundaras? (Although I understand that sometimes it's nice to try a new headphone too)
@@PassionforSound thank you for your reply! I do realize the sundara pads are replaceable and seeing as its been under a year I am actually in contact with there support about doing that through their warranty. With that said, once that warranty is up, im not sure that I want to be dropping $50 on a new set of ear pads every 9 months you know? I feel that they should be built to last better than that. Seeing as you havent used them extensively, I definitely still recommend them for their sound!
Glad to hear you're looking into the pad situation on the Sundaras
i already bought dt900 based on your video.. so right now i have an old lexicon alpha (audio interface) but im thinking about upgrade. So is there any recomendations for powering these headphones? something like AUDIENT iD4 MK2
Or can you suggest any HiFi alternative to iD4Mk2?
I've generally found audio interfaces to have pretty average DACs and amps. I'd probably choose to add a nice, affordable headphone amp after your interface (assuming you need the interface). Something like a Geshelli Archel 2.5 would be great.
And the DT 900 compare to the DT 880? Soundstage and seperating instruments?
Merci for the review.
They're very different headphones and my DT880s were on loan to a patron at the time so I haven't compared - sorry! I'd expect the 880 to sound a little more spacious due to the sucked out midrange (v-shaped sound). Imaging I think will be roughly on par with maybe a slight edge to the DT 900.
@@PassionforSound Many thanks for your answer. So an upgrade is not absolutely necessary for me, especially since the Pro versions have too much contact pressure anyway, so I would have to wait for an Edition version. And I'll keep my DT 880 anyway. I won't give it away. Cheers.
I'm confused about the Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X. Some reviewers will say that they have a V shaped sound signature and that they are perfect for listening to genres like hip hop or edm. Others describe the bass as being barely present.
I haven't listened to many headphones but I do have experience with the Sennheiser HD598 and Moondrop Starfield. I don't know the audiophile terms to describe it, but listening to the Starfield made me realize that there was more to bass than just a boom. It felt detailed and 3D compared to any of the standard mass market headphones I have heard.
Do you think the DT 700 Pro X is a good pairing for EDM and Hip Hop? Ideally I'm looking for something with more pronounced high end frequencies than the HD598 and the kind of detailed bass I heard from the Moondrop Starfield but with more quantity.
I'm surprised that anyone could say the DT 700 lacks bass - that suggests either a poor fit or extreme taste in bass, I think. But to answer your question, I'm not sure the DT 700 would be my first choice for what you're describing. I'd maybe consider something like the Meze 99 Classic if you need a closed back headphone because I think it offers slightly cleaner bass that will be more aligned with the Starfield in quality. That's going from memory though so maybe check a few reviews before dropping any 💵
@@PassionforSound Thank you for responding! I really appreciate that.
My pleasure 🙂🙂
Why oh why did they not include a coiled cable ? I did find the clamp force a bit to excessive as well...you might want to take a look at the Avantone planar...
Thanks for the tip on the Avantone. I'm guessing they've had feedback that more people don't want coiled than those that do - just a hunch
@@PassionforSound But they give you 2 cables anyhow, why not give both and keep everyone happy and some spare earpads wouldn't be to hard either, try finding some ? sooner or later someone will get it right...
@@chefsteve8381 finally: audiophile
I have and have loved my 770's 250ohm and can't get over how comfortable the 700's look, I'm probably going for the v shape tuning over the flatter tuning of the 900's. that's me I guess.
There's no right or wrong - just what you enjoy.
Hi mate,
Full disclosure, I have asked this from another headphone reviewer with no response.
I am aware that although your channel is predominantly for the audiophile community would you ever consider doing a round up of the best headphones for electric pianos (i.e Kawai ES920) or other pluggable instruments. Not necessarily studio headphones because there might be a difference aimed more for mixing. More specifically for instrument practicing (Closed Back due to disturbance issues within the home).
Some headphones that could bring the best of say, an electric grand piano with all the resonance, colour & fidelity that the latest high level sampled grand pianos bring.
Anyway, I am certain I would not be the only listener on TH-cam that would appreciate it.
Thank you as always, nice reviews.
P.S, I personally prefer your natural voice as the toned down voice I end up falling asleep… Not through boredom but the smooth dulcet tones……..😜🤣
Thank you mate 🙏🙏🙏
That's an interesting idea and something I'd love to help with, but I don't currently own an electric piano of suitable quality to test. We have a cheap one that we bought for our toddler to play with, but I couldn't do justice to a review without a better quality piano. Sorry I can't help directly, but what I can tell you is that the electric pianos will generally perform well with most headphones that aren't super difficult to drive. Do you have a budget you're thinking of for the headphones?
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Thanks for you reply mate…
Haha, 🤣, after reading about your toddlers little banger keyboard…. I nearly spat out my coffee…. I did need that laugh. Thank you….😁
I’m on the fence, umming & arring over the very cheap AGK K361, ($200 AUD), K371 (more expensive than the Beyer normally but can get them $11 cheaper than the DT700s) Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X ($299 AUD) or a few others.. It’s hard at the moment I can’t demo anything. Even when back in the city, I am guessing I will only be able to demo the Beyerdynos cause the others are older and less available.
I don’t need mixing cans. Although budget is not too much of an issue, I’m not looking to break the bank on practice cans…. I just need something preferably light, compact esque (that can travel without too much bulk) closed back or very little outside noise and great sound that can express all the sonic intricacies and fidelity of the grand piano….
On one other note. If budget was of not too much of a concern (for a newbie, mind you). Would you purchase the HiFiman Sundara and the Dan Clark Audio ÆON 2 Closed Back Noire (16 Avocados)?
Would it seem a stupid waste of money….?
Or would you purchase a Focal Clear (10 Avocados) instead of the Sandaras (5.5 Avocados) being open back or the Focal Radiance (14 Avocados) closed back instead? I am interested in having an open back set and a closed back. Looking for a reasonably priced (best bang for buck) and one, not so reasonable (but not ridiculously so [for a newbie])
I will be getting the Cayin RU6, to run any choice made.
Anyway, that’s enough of my novel reply. Sorry for the heavy read…..
I would love to hear your 2 cents…..
Thanks again 🙏🙏
Firstly, I think the DT 700 Pro-X would be a great choice for the keyboard. I don't know the AKGs, but the beyers will be great for what you describe. The AIAIAI TMA-2 Move could be good too.
As for the second question, I'd personally not buy two of the same brand straight away because it's good to have some different style headphones (sonically) so you can mix things up when you want to. The Sundara and Aeon 2 Noire would be a nice start, but you could also mix in some cheaper and excellent options like the Sivga SV023 (open), Sennheiser HD 660S S2 (open), and the Sivga Oriole (closed).
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Thanks Lachlan for your reply.
Yes, after watching your review of the Senies 700/900 I did look at the AiAis but thought it felt a bit too much like work. However, I will go and take a more in-depth look at them again.
I did not mean, two Focals. I was getting at 1 either or…. But I, still have some more thinking to do and once able I at least have a plan of attack in testing once back in da big smoke….
Very much appreciated for your patience and input……🙏🙏🙏
Thank you very much. 🫡🤙🤘🙏😁
My pleasure. Good luck with your decisions!
Would you recommend the DT 900 Pro X for competitive gaming? A lot of streamers tend to use the DT 990 Pro.
The 900 Pro X could be very good - comfortable, image well, not too large in the staging. I'm not a gamer, but if those factors make sense then it's a good choice
No
Care to share reasoning to help people make good decisions?
I forgot to write that my thoughts were formed by testing 900 Pro X in FPS gaming. And I wouldn’t recommend it to comp gaming because there are much better alternatives like the DT880 or the TYGR 300R, the 560s is also popular but I don’t like Sennheisers oval earcups. I think the 560s were too analytical, neutral and not fun sounding in the games I play, lack of subbass were also a problem maybe solved with some more EQ. But they do have laser accurate imaging, but just didn’t like them as much as I really like the Beyer sound signature.
The problem I had with the 900 was that I felt it lacked separation and detailing. In case of game explosions and large gun battles, the headphones destroys itself. You can’t hear the footsteps in these situations, these sounds bloats and completely takes over. The treble have been tamed on the 900s and that’s affecting FPS gaming. If you’re set on Beyer, and you’re not treble sensitive, and do have the amp to power up the DT 880, go for them, or else try a TYGR. If you’re set paying 300 for headphones, try go for a used 1990 on the aftermarket. If you play games that don’t rely on you hearing steps, listen to music and watches movies, I think the 900s are a solid choice.
For what’s it worth, I didn’t upgrade my amp/dac for the DT 880, and opted for the TYGR instead, a pair of headphones I think is up there with the best aswell. If I would keep the DT880, I would’ve needed to change the pads and headband to similar ones that’s sold with the 900s, as that one I think is the most comfortable of the compared headphones.
I had the 990 Pro myself and I genuinely don't understand why so many people use them. They are a mediocre headphone at best and an ear piercing mess at worst.
Buy the Tygr 300 R instead.
Would love to see you compare these to the Verum 1's
They're very different in many ways. I'd reach for the Verums for musical enjoyment, but the DT 900 are more comfortable and a little more balanced across the whole frequency range
@@PassionforSound So you feel the DT 900 Pro's are better for Mixing and Mastering?
I think so. The Verum 1s roll off in the bass and could result in an overly warm mix that will sound bloated on some systems. The 900s will result in a more accurate result IMO
Which headphone do you prefer for neutral sound?
Of these two or in general? Of these two it's definitely the DT 900 Pro X. In general, the Ollo S4R is one of the best neutral headphones I've heard.
I’m liking my 900 Pro X pair. My only concern is the listed power handling of only 30mW continuous. I know that is very loud with most music in this headphone, but still seems like an easy accident waiting to happen given so many people have powerful gear these days.
It's a good point and a reflection of why so much gear is over powered IMO. Most headphones on the market have far lower power handling than our amps deliver, but such is the way of things. Just keep the volume turned down and you should be fine. Where problems happen is when using the same amp for high volume outputs (e.g. a pair of very difficult headphones) and also the sensitive headphones. If you're not doing that, you should be safe.
I saw different videos about 700 and 900. One person says that 700 is better and another says that 900 is better. I'm confused. Which one do you recommend for listening to music?
Anything in audio is subjective so it's hard to say one is better or worse. I personally prefer the 900 because it has a slightly more balanced/natural tonality, but the 700 has a bit more bass impact IIRC
New subscriber here! Your knowledge is really impressive, I just want a good pair of headphones to listen music and watch movies but still cant decide between the 900 pro x or the sennheiser 660s I listen both of them, and each have something amazing but can’t get both haha and I’m really unsure of which one to get. Please help
Thanks for subscribing! You've asked a tough question there with two excellent headphones! I'm not sure which I would choose either because they both have their strengths. I think I'd base my decision on the sound you prefer - the 660S is great for vocals and midrange quality while the DT 900 Pro X is a bit bassier and punchier. What sort of music do you like most?
Should I get an amp or interface for these headphones? Or are they just automatically the best quality sound they can be by just plugging the normal 3.5 jack into the computer. (Should I download any software assistance too?)
You'll get the best sound from them with a decent DAC and headphone amp (or all-in-one device). Interfaces will rarely match a dedicated music stack, but it should still be an upgrade from the regular 3.5mm jack.
@@PassionforSound Thanks so much!, does the amp improve the quality at lower sound by chance? Does it even improve quality of sound at all or PURELY volume.
An amp will improve the sound quality at every volume 🙂
@@PassionforSoundMAGNAT MR 780 will be Good for 990 pro x? The for help
I don't know that one to answer specifically. Sorry.
I went and tried the 900s and 700s in store. To me the difference in sound quality was not huge. I did notice more clarity and less boomy bass in the 900s though for sure. I would be worried that the bass on the 700s would get tiring. I can't get open backs unfortunately. So could I just EQ the 700s to suit? I tried a pair of Shure SRH940s also the Neumann NDH20s just for reference. The difference between those two and the 900s was greater to me than the difference between the 900s and 700s. The Shure and Neumann's had more clarity and I was able to increase the listening volume with those without the sound changing or starting to sound too harsh, where as increasing the volume with the 700s made things start to fall apart a bit, and I know this is very subjective. It might be that I prefer more flat accurate sound rather than punch, not quite sure. What are some other closed back headphones in the mid-tier with similar fit and build that might be worth trying out for general use? I like the look of the Ollo S4R mentioned here but sounds like they might be too flat and I have no way to try them in Sydney.
It makes sense that the 700s and 900s sound similar because they're tuned to be siblings. I haven't yet tried either of the others you tried, but it sounds like you are leaning towards a flatter sound than the Beyers if the 700's treble peak was causing it to sound harsh at higher volumes (and I agree).
I think the S4R could be a great choice as they're still very enjoyable despite being quite flat. The only drawback is a less spacious soundstage. Another option is the Rode NTH-100 which I've got a review on soon and I can say that they're easily a direct competitor for the DT 700 despite costing significantly less.
I couldn’t agree more with your review. I was very excited about the dt700’s because of the updated driver and tweaked tuning. However I could not have been more disappointed in a headphone. These sounded tinny, and the mid to low mids were almost completely missing. Even watching podcast, interviews, and netflix voices were missing some of the lower frequencies. It is very hard to describe if you haven’t tried these. My main goal was to get a higher end headphone for mixing and mastering, and I found my mixes sounded very different on these than on my other speaker systems. I couldn’t justify spending 300 dollars on the 700’s. However because I really do love baerdynamics build quality and comfort, I decided to exchange these for the 900’s. I wasn’t expecting much however I was completely wrong about the 900’s. Those missing mid frequencies in the 700’s came soaring back in with the 900’s. The tinny sound was now replaced with a grand richness. My mixes transferred much more accurately. Overall the dt900 felt much warmer and more inviting as well. If you have the choice between the two I easily recommend the 900, and if you really need a closed back I even prefer my m40x’s over the 700’s.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! I'm glad you're enjoying using the DT 900s!
The 900s are pretty good for leakage (i.e. they're not overly leaky)
Very different sounds as far as I understand them. If you're mixing and mastering, the DT 900 for sure. For music listening, that's a tougher one because it's about personal preferences too
DT 880 PRO or DT 900 PRO X ??
which one is better choice for music production ?
I own the DT880 250 ohm black version which is a little different from the regular DT880, but not much. I'd take the DT 900 for production purposes
DT 900 Pro X or Meze Classics/Neo ? What is your choice ?
DT 900 all the way for me. I think it's tuning is more refined in the treble and the staging and separation are a bit better too.
900 pro x is polite dt 1990 and a more fun hd560s. The two headphones that mostly used for music editing are sony 7506 and beyer 770 pro. Some people moved on to the 700 pro x
Where are you getting that data from?
I'm trying to understand, should I buy yet another DT770 Pro 250 or go for the new DT700 Pro X, as my third 770s are dying to the age
I'd be going for the DT 700 Pro X because they're a bit more balanced in their tuning IIRC.
@@PassionforSound thank you.
Good closed back headphones under $500 are hard to find, all truly recommended by reviews are sooo expensive...
My pleasure. Hope you find what you're after 🙂
Beyer sound is specific but I like it, for my collection I wish to add T1 2nd gen 600 Ohm thats the only one worthy
It definitely used to be, but the 900 and 700 are a departure from the old Beyer house sound
had to return these after one day... Intense pain on top of my head from the headband.
Oh no! Sorry to hear that. Goes to show how different we all are.
Its durability is half the reason im grabbing it. I just had a pair of ATH M50X headphones snap off a tiny little tab on me. Ill try to fix them but I know as soon as something breaks its only a matter of time before they become completely unusable.
They're excellent for durability, but do be a little careful of the cable entry to the bottom of the headphones
you've got the smoothest voice in the headphone review game
Haha. Thank you. Some people hate it, some people love it 🙂
Hey, please tell me this 990 pro x will be good together with MAGNAT MR 780 for music,games ,films. Now I use Senheiser 380 pro and is good. Thx for answer.
I don't know the MR 780, but no reason that the Beyers won't be great with that if the Sennheisers have worked well.
@@PassionforSound so Power from this amp MAGNAT MR 780 will be enough ? I hope, thx and goodluck
I don't know. Sorry.
I've heard a lot of people having problems with the cables n the foam cussion on dt700's. Have many people had this problem?
The cables do seem to be a bit of a weak point over time. The foam cushions on mine have been fine and I use them daily for video calls, editing, etc.
@@PassionforSound thanx for replying.
Do you think it would be better to equip myself with extra cables? Or is it th3 fault of the xlr connector?
In my case it was the XLR
Instead of two cabels it would be much nicer they packed two sets of earpads since these are the first to be worn out and are proprietary so finding the aftermarket ones is more complicated. Also the light gray valour is ugly ,looks like those winter ear protection cups. The black cups would have been nicer or even PU leather option.
The two cable choices are there for the option of different lengths, not one wearing out, but I agree that spare pads would be great!
Do you think 900 pro x are better then hifiman deva pro, in detail, imaging and depth
In depth, yes. In detail and imaging it's a little tougher. If using them wired, the DT 900 Pro X are way better, but if comparing the 900 Pro X to the Deva Pro using the dongle, things are harder to split and will depend on what you need in terms of features (and soundstage depth)
Looking for and all around thats better for gaming, but also more cinema like for movies, i currently have the deva pro using it wired, if I can find something with the same or better imaging and better detail but more depth to hear distance better, and slightly better bass dont really need a big wide soundstage per se
DT 900 Pro X or Ollo S4X...... Is the Ollo worth double the money as a futureproof investment?
It depends a lot on your needs. The easy part of this is that the Ollo S4X is more environmentally friendly with all wood and metal construction. It's also user serviceable should anything break over time.
As for the sound, the S4X is a bit more neutral, but the 900 could be considered more fun and has a larger soundstage which is good for music, but not so helpful for mixing.
@@PassionforSound Neutrality is my most important criteria, and as you mentioned it is not recommended to do spatial mixing with headphones anyway, and serviceable parts for longevity is a huge plus, so it sounds like the S4X would be the more truthful level mixing tool for my needs. Very good company model and product, I think they deserve the support.
Thanks for your detailed reviews :)
My pleasure. I love my S4X and they're still my daily driver for video calls and editing duties (when I'm not reviewing a competitor)
I bought the dt900prox, which sounds great！but my sound card is terrible. Can you recommend an amp for it？how about the magni🤔
The Magni+ is great! Do keep in mind that the amp is only as good as the input feeding it so if the sound card isn't great, you might be better off with a DAC and amp like a FiiO K7 or a Schiit Syn.
There's also the Beyerdynamic USB cables for the DT 900/700 Pro X which have a built in amp and DAC: th-cam.com/video/gdevoNPD1AU/w-d-xo.html
@@PassionforSound thanks for answer！I will end this game😘😘😘
@@PassionforSound When I use dt900prox for music, I found that the sibilants sound a bit too sharp, can you give me some advice to clear up the sibilants? This problem is bothering me😭
If you're looking to tame sibilants then you'll want a smoother sounding source chain. You could buy a smooth sounding dongle like a Cayin RU6 or Questyle M15, or a desktop all-in-one like a FiiO K7 would work well too I think.
The Magni+ amp is a good amp choice, but if your soundcard has rough treble, the amp won't fix that.
Finally, it's possible that you're also sensitive to the treble frequencies that are boosted in the 900 Pro X. If that's the case, you might need to find a headphone with slightly different tuning, but hopefully you've just got some harshness from your soundcard.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for reply!😘 I found when I use HD660s in the same system, it sounds great and without sbilants. I think the dt900prox require good recording，when playing some bad recording, it hurts my ear😭
How would either of these work if I were to just plug them into my iphone?
They'd work fine - they're very easy to drive. You'd be getting less than maximum sound quality, but it wouldn't be bad at all
Somebody said that the DT900 Pro X's sound almost dampened and veiled while having a mediocre soundstage. Do you find this to be the case? I'm coming from a pair of Beyer Dynamic DT770 Pro(250ohm) and just ordered the 900's 2 days ago. Kind of wish I would of just went with the 1990's instead.
I think it depends on what they're comparing them to. The different tuning compared to the old beyer house sound (the one with the big treble spikes) means they present differently, but more naturally in my opinion. I haven't tried the DT770, but I reach for the DT 900 Pro X everytime now over my DT880s.
The DT1990 might still be better if you're ok with the treble spike, but they're also more expensive
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Thanks for the reponse! I'll be able to compare the 770's & 900's with my DAC side by side and pick them apart. I'm sure the 900's will come out on top mainly when it comes to soundstage due to being semi open back vs closed with the former.
I'm tempted by the Sennheiser 800S's but supposedly it's bass is lacking a little. And if you boost it with EQ it sounds muffled unfortunately
Yes, the 800S is definitely lacking bass from a naturality perspective. Lovely headphone depending on the genres and your tastes.
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After comparing my DT770(250)'s to my DT900's on and off for over a month now, i feel a little torn between the two. On one hand, the 900's do sound a 'bit' more open and spacious, maybe a little warmer and more natural sounding. But, it truly does sound like there's some sort of slight muffled, filter-like veil masking the vocals and overall clarity and details which kind of kills the 900's for me.
the DT770's sound more crystal clear and sharper. I think the DT1990's will be a better match for what i want.
Glad you got to try them for yourself. Sorry you're not a fan of the 900s. It does sound like you prefer the extra treble of the older beyer models so the DT1990 could be a great fit
Coloured in the way that it is too lean.... I don't quite get that tbh. The 560S is more clear and unforgiving, yes. And mentioning that it can backfire, of course! That separates a good recording of a bad one. But the good ones sound so much more alive and realistic then on the 560S whereas the 900 Pro X stays a bit muffled, like it does on all recordings, the good and the bad ones. I have them side by side (bought at the same time, both only about 3 weeks old) and the 560S is more comfortable to me. I was actually really surprised about the bad comfort of the 900 Pro X as I'm used to way better comfort from Beyerdynamic. I had a 770, 880 and Tygr300R on my head and all of them felt way more comfortable and the 880 was the best of them. But their new series is a serious downgrade in comfort, the big problem for me is the headband. I notice it immediately I put the 900 on my head and no matter how I adjust it, the feeling on the center of my head stays there until it gets really uncomfortable and painful even. If you push down on the headband you'll notice how thin it is and how easily it gets pushed inside and your head will notice the hard part of the headband.
All in all,.. I REALLY wanted to like the 900 Pro X because of my previous experiences with them in regards to comfort and now hearing/reading about them and their really flat frequency response and tamed highs. But what I got was a real dissappointment: muffled sound with smearing highs and a really uncomfortable fit.
I'm sorry to hear about your feelings on the 900 Pro X and I'm honestly surprised. There's no doubt that the HD560S is also a good headphone, but we differ on our experiences on both comfort and sound. As always, with a subjective hobby like this, differences of opinion are welcome and normal so thanks for sharing!
Do they work with cellphone? Or I need a Amp?
They're easy to drive so a phone will be fine. They'll sound better with a dongle or separate DAC and amp, but a phone will be fine
In my 900 Pro X, the plug of the three-pin cable that you enter into the left shell of the headset is very difficult to remove, I have to force a lot, as if the plug had become welded !, while on the contrary this three-pin cable enter easily. it's when I want to unplug it that it's very-very-very difficult, even if I press the little button provided to release the jack. Has anyone experienced the same thing ?
I have found a little bit of variance with the 3-pin plugs, but not as much as you're describing.
Question : what is the use of a DAC concretely, in the specific case where a headset like the DT 900 pro X is after all only 48 ohms? Could I significantly control this headset in a DAC, which would result a significant transformation of the sound (more bass, etc.) ??@@PassionforSound
There are normally two parts to a source chain, but they're sometimes combined into one device (like a dongle DAC). Specifically, they are the DAC which converts the data from say an MP3 file or streaming service into the analog signal. Then there's the amp which provides the power to drive that signal into the headphones / earphones. The benefit of using an external DAC and amp (either all-in-one or as separate devices) is that they'll almost always provide better sound than what comes from a laptop, phone, etc.
I'm trying to understand what you're telling me about the "two parties". A) I own the computer. B) let's imagine that I add a DAC when I use the headphones. I would also need in add an amplifier for all this to work ?@@PassionforSound
Sorry. It can get a bit complicated. I'll try to break it down...
1) your computer contains a basic DAC and amp already to drive the headphone socket on the motherboard. Because it's a very low priority for computer manufacturers, the sound of them is just ok - not great.
2) you can get devices that are just DACs or just amps. Or, you can get products like the recently reviewed Moondrop Dawn Pro that is both a DAC and amp all in one.
3) generally, buying a separate DAC and amp will provide better performance than buying an all-in-one combo device for the same money, but the separate devices are less convenient because you have more boxes and cables to worry about.
So, my recommendation would be to decide if you want a single-box solution or if you want maximum sound quality by having two separate devices (a DAC and an amp). Then, set your budget and go shopping. There are links in the description of all my videos with databases of my recommended products in each category. They're sorted by price and contain links to the reviews and the retailers too so hopefully that can help.
Will you review the fiio k9 pro. Im really thinking about buying it please i need you to sway my decision.
Fun review! Beyer house sound is typically not my taste; did enjoy the content.
The good news is that they've ditched the old Beyer house sound 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it
@@PassionforSound good new indeed
What do you mean by Beyer House sound? I’ve had 770 DT Pros for a month now. Would these be considered Beyer House sound?
I can't speak for @Ace of Spades and I don't think I've tried the 770s, but the Beyer sound normally includes a significant treble spike and some slight bass enhancement to produce a v-shaped sound with extra treble.
What’s the ohms on both?
I think it's in the 30s from memory
@@PassionforSound Okay thanks
Sooo the 900 Pro is actually good?
It's great!
560s is magical on tubes. Beyer's in my experience do not mesh well on tubes (except single tube hybrids like lyr 3, which I use with my DT1990s).
Then you've not tried a DT880 600 ohm...
I'm with Steve on this one, but it will depend on which impedance version you're using and which amp. The old 600 ohm T1s were amazing and the 250+ ohm DT880s are great too
For a casual multi media consumer: DT 900 or 700 Pro X?
I'd take the 900 for sure - better tonally balanced
@@PassionforSound Thank you! People are really split on this one LOL. Some said that the 900 is in a weird price bracket where for a bit more you can get something better, and it has lots of competitions performance and price wise while the 700 has a stronger position in terms of value and functions for money. Thanks again!
What other headphones are people recommending for the same price as the DT 900? (Asking out of interest, not disagreement)
@@PassionforSound I am new to this so when he mentioned models they all went over my head as they sound like a series of random alphabets and numbers to me. What I can do is try to find that video again and let you know which channel and title of video
I can relate to that - the naming conventions are crazy. Let me know if you can find it and I'll see if I can help.
They DT 700 Pro X are "loud enough all the time" because their continous power capacity is only 30 mW, which is a recipe for disaster in professional studio environment, with the potential to blow up the drivers very real.
Turn up the volume suddenly, by mistake or by switching from no gain to high gain and your pretious headphones drivers go up in smoke.
One of my Technics DJ headphones are 50 ohms and can take up to 3500 mW peak power, so no such worries.
The 700 Pro X are designed for creators more than production professionals I think. In other words, they're expected to run from computers, cameras, audio interfaces etc. so efficiency is important
The 560S has an overall weird timbre to it, sort of like a cabonara done wrong, and a touch of nasal tone. Quite frankly I don't know of a single headphone from Sennheiser that sounds any good. Every model they make has a strange personality. Sennheiser is not a good brand for headphones imo
I agree that the HD560S isn't perfect, but I disagree that they're a bad brand for headphones. The HD650 is still amazing, HD560S is good for the money and for those seeking a brighter tuning and the HD800S is brilliant for classical and orchestral music (even though I don't like it on other genres)
If 700pro so bad like all mentions.. why such headphones even exist? :]
It's not bad as such. It's just not as good as the 900
open-back is another story...
TMA-2 Move? An 'on ear' headphone? No thanks. Not even for free. Looks like a headphone that companies get their logo printed on and give it away at events for free. I am sure they would last at least a month.
There are two versions (as discussed in the review) so there's on-ear and over-ear. I agree with the looks being pretty basic, but there's no questioning their durability and the fact that all parts are easily replaced.
please don't whisper. its hard to hear your voice
I used to have to record while my son was sleeping in the room next door. That's fixed now so more recent reviews sound a bit different
Cheap and repairable =green. Expensive planned obsolescence with a green label = planet death! I have a huge degree of disrespect for a company that charges an extra $50-$100 just for the ability to replace a cable. It’s disgusting. The fact they send out a pair to every influencer tester and youtuber and have a made in Germany label doesn’t impress me either. The inside is not much different than that of a $50 pair. I sorta have a problem buying anything that offers such extreme different prices for us lower caste sub humans and then the elite rich folk get to have the features that make sense.
I don't understand what you mean. How are they charging extra for a replaceable cable? Is there a fixed cable version of this same headphone?
If you think about the 990 and 770 It is not the same headphones. And they also sell replacement cables for the dt 990 and dt 770. Actually, the sell every spare part, even drivers. You just have to solder but they are easy to umount.
Does anyone know if the 900 pro is good for FPS games?
I think it's good from a general enjoyment point of view, but competitive gamers that comment on my videos seem to like brighter tuned headphones like DT1990.
@@PassionforSound Ok thanks, I'll take a look at those.