Forever War No More? Afghanistan complete troop withdrawl
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- Where to next? Looks like the war in Afghanistan is reaching a conclusion.
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Bye Middle East, Hello South China Sea!
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad transition from insurgency fighting, as your fine channel pointed out and has a video about, to facing off on near-peer regional conflicts. Do you think they wi still be proxy conflicts or more large scale conventional flashpoints like Ukraine and South China Sea. Time to pull up Clancy’s books.
@@genghisgalahad8465 If the Chinese attack Taiwan, we have to fight otherwise we would be seen as a grifter to many democratic nations.
@@good_night522 and its probably why the marines are ditching their tanks and the DoD has been looking for a new jungle boot.
@@omlettedufromage8588 Yep
@@good_night522 china would not attack taiwan its their trump card against usa. Or thats what i think.
Based on the subsequent turn of events and the rapid fall of the government and the takeover by the Taliban, it would be interesting if you made a part 2 of this video that addresses all that.
The guys who had been Afghanistan back in 2001 are in their 40s-50s now
I’d say 40s late 30s . 50s is someone who was in the first iraq war in the 90s. Afghanistan was 10 years later with a much longer duration.
@@mauriciorv228 That’s a negative mate, my dad deployed in 2001 to Iraq and he is almost 50. Same as his buddies and such. I mean if you deployed as an 18 y/o in 01 then you are about 40, but with the training and such most would have deployed a bit older so OP is correct.
@@rockofthemmarin hogtie
I deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I was 29 when we started and a specialist. Now, I'm 49 and a first sergeant.
A reporter asked one of the Taliban "do you think you're winning" in which he responded with "we're winning just by them being here"
@C L damn
@C L they will never have a democracy. their primitive culture will get in the way.
@@madkabal democracy isnt rhe answer to everything. Theres alot of communist/socialist ish local governments around the middle east after the arab spring aftermath and theyre doing fine despite the corruption. Look at the democracy in US, divided and conflicted. We're supposed to be drawn up as a republic anyway not a democracy
@@madkabal why democracy is so sacred to you .It is just deception where you choose your own dictator.
@@ceroew4239 Yeah? They're not 3rd world shitholes? I think you exaggerated Comrade
I have a soft spot in my heart for translators. Annoying as they may have been, we would've been shit in the water without them
If they're left behind, they and theirs are dead
@@topiasr628 people were killed just for talking to US Troops, how much more working with them.
@@abunchofiguanaswithinterne2186 Oh I'm well aware and its terrible.. Translators risked everything to help save US and civilian lives with an understanding we'd have their back. We need to hold up our end of the bargain (which we don't have the best record of doing)
Terps kinda key.
many have been relocated to other countries including Ohio and Michigan. I personally know 2 such families.
America is now a proud member of the Graveyard of Empires Club.
Hooyah
Except every other empire pulled out much sooner.
@@JeanLucCaptain doesn’t really matter does it? Still a proud member now
I mean, kinda? Idk, does a superpower need to collapse due to Afghanistan or does it simply need to withdraw? lol
@@stephenjenkins7971 The REAL issue with Afghanistan is its basically impossible to get enough of the tribes to work together to accomplish anything over the long term.
I love this channel it’s information and hearing from a regular 11b instead of some SOF delta tacp pj green hat man or a robotic voice is refreshing. No hate to those guys brw
chill, Jocko is GOOD
@@l0rd_of_hollows681 Jocko the last SEAL with dignity
@@SK-tr1wo hey Echo Charles is also good, Goggins is insane
@@l0rd_of_hollows681 I’m not sure if echo Charles is in the seals but you can correct me on that. Goggins without a doubt is a great guy, and yea he can get pretty crazy. I really hope SEALs can earn their title of being quiet professionals back again
@@SK-tr1wo he is he told buds stories that was my first point of refrence but memory isn't valid for others so i looked iut up on Jockos site and on Echo's linkin profile it says retired navy seal
18:28 - bro you good?
Mini stroke that’s all lol
@@Taskandpurpose love your new channel by the way. Keep up with the interesting topics.
Lmfao
@@Taskandpurpose recovered from it better than I ever could 😂
Lol honestly thought it was my audio skipping
It's all getting shaken up. My brother (MP) was going to Qatar but instead he got sent to Jordan to build up a base and presence there. It wasnt even official until very soon before his actual deployment. Or at least they didnt tell anybody until that point
So we’re not going home after the party gets crashed, we’re just going to another party down the street?
Your brother is part of a annual excercise in Jordan. Nothing out of the ordinary
@@billychel9449 no, he is building up the MP presence there. Before his unit was there, there was maybe a total of 2 MPs in Jordan. They are establishing just about everything from procedures to relationships. Talking to him, he said there was some tension with the Jordanians, and his base is inside a Jordan base, and they are still building offices
Your bother ain't gunna tell you anything else the way you post what he is doing
@@robertwhitstone3741 it wasnt meant to be top secret, it just wasnt supposed to be announced until they were there, they probably didnt want the extra politics
Hey man, I've been watching these and it's really cool to see you get better and more confident in your presentation with each new video. Keep it up!
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad Nah man, you've been making huge strides already. The first videos felt more like you were reading random news articles, this one's barely a few videos and I can tell you already have a much better idea of what you're talking about and it shows in your presentation. Looking forward to seeing you get even better and bring us more interesting topics from your perspective.
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad You are AWESOME! Love your videos!
@@Native_love PREACH
You are doing really well Cap. I'm an old soldier, (basic training and AIT in 1971 old). I may not agree with everything you say but I can tell you do your research and you present all sides of an argument and leave it to your viewer to make up their own minds. By the way, my original service was from 1971 to 1979, re-enlisted in 1990, (yes, I had to go through basic and AIT again), and saw service as an infantryman during Desert Storm, and was discharged in 1995. Keep of the good work and drive on!
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad you give very detailed and great information very confidently in my opinion. Don’t get down on yourself. You’re a great speaker.
18:28 grunt moment
Vietnam 2 Afgan Boogaloo
Chris you're doing a great job. As a former Australian infantry, SF and Int soldier with 3 tours of AFG and 2 of Iraq, I'd like to make a couples of points. Firstly, when I first went to AFG my eldest son was 17. He's now 36, is a 16 year infantry veteran (with 2 tours of AFG) and has a family of his own. Personally, I say enough already. It's way past time to leave. My greatest fear was that my teenage grandson might end up in AFG. I think investing 2 generations of any one family is enough. Secondly, if idiots like Inhofe want the war to continue, let them invest 2 generations of their family first. Then he can speak.
I love your comment. My father served in the US Marines during, Operation Enduring Freedom, more than 20 years ago. That was back when they had mostly iron sights. Thank you and your son for fighting evil I believe all the troops that did are saints and deserve nothing but the best.
I REALLY like your honest, balanced, non-partisan discussion here, including your personal perspective and experience, while not making that a soapbox.
Keep this up man!
Like leaving a toxic relationship, we have to understand we can't save them all. And hope they can heal on their own.
They won't. Iraq has been left on a Fucked up state because the US did a poor job in rebuilding the country.
How many countries America have poked and meddled and Abandoned?
The Syrian Kurds are left to fend for themselves and Turkey took the Initiative to attack America's ally that has provided them resources to fight against the Islamic State.
America intends to protect it's vital Strategic interests and Afghanistan has little value to the West. They will only React if China or Russia expands it's influence.
@@diligentone-six2688 Uh, no. Iraq was VERY well built up and was wealthier than it was under Saddam Hussein. It's military wasn't ready though, and more than that, the US had to leave anyway because the Iraqi's demanded it. So even if the US wanted to stay, it couldn't.
America didn't poke and meddle with the Kurds, the Kurds approached the US. The US had no obligation to help beyond in fighting ISIS. And the reality is that the US doesn't really abandon allies for the most part -and in fact that's probably the issue. The US has too many responsibilities in too many far-flung areas for its own good.
@@diligentone-six2688 Lol, russian federation of syria when? On a serious note, Russia gets that sweet oil contract after that shitstorm over there is over.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Remember that the main reason Iraq was so poor under Saddam was because of US sanctions in the first place. He was always a dictator, but he only became so brutal after the US tried to convince the populace to rise up during the first Gulf War.
The fact is that the US is responsible for most of Iraq's current problems, maybe they had to leave militarily, but as far as I'm concerned they still have a moral obligation to economically support the country's development
Except in this case the US is the toxic partner. The US created many of the problems in Afghanistan, their money funded groups like the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians.
Now perhaps the military needs to leave, but they should absolutely support the Afghan government in both an advisory and financial capacity
I like this format, keep it coming!
I appreciate the nuanced take! Not always easy to come by these days.
As a person who's into geopolitics, it's interesting to see your takes on world events. Like what you've been saying with previous vids, I do think there will be a proxy war soon, but living in one of those hot zones, I really hope there isn't one. Let's hope our world diplomats can avoid any unnecessary wars.
Do you think that events resembling WW2 will be repeated in Asian part of Eurasia? A conflict between Russia(as Nazi Germany) and China(as USSR).
@@nurlybekmagzat8336 For me, I don't see the People's Republic and the Russian Federation having any direct conflict in the future, unless one side provokes the other. As of now they are somewhat allies with aligning interests but different views on administration and government, which causes slight tension and awkwardness between Moscow and Beijing.
@@antoniobautista6718 , any interests in learning about different methods of analysing the social and political events?
Wars are unavoidable for logical reasons.
Natural resources are one of them. Crimea has no water left because Ukraine sealed the Gap as a Response to the Cease-fire violations.
Russia is now building troops on the Border.
China on the other hand, taking Natural resources on the South China Sea. For what reason, the Whole of Southeast Asia, East Asia and Oceania didn't like this Aggressive manner.
@@antoniobautista6718 If the US would get some common sense, it wouldnt take much to have Russia closer to our side, and further away from china. Russia has been pretty clear they are not interested in being our enemy. They do feel that we have more than a few common interests, fighting terrorism being one of them.
After 20 years, we've met our responsibilities, the Afghans haven't met theirs.
I always tell my "girlfriends", I'm like a war in Afghanistan, I'll never pull out!.... Damn what I'll be saying now ? By the way I'm Afghanistan and Iraq veteran.
Ff you have an war-ection lasting longer than 20 years call your congressperson immediately
sup
You can tell them "I'm like the war in Afghanistan, a lot longer and harder than you'd expect!"
The US armed forces have also suffered from war fatigue from these forever wars. A lot discipline break downs were over looked because everything is focused on the next deployment.
They need some breathing space for the next fight.
Up next, Ukraine
Hey Cappy, I'm an Iraq vet from the UK. Loving this new channel, a bit more in depth than normal t and c. Keep up the good work bro
Love this format, such a good way to pass on good information without needing all of the production of your other channel.
Great coverage. Thank you.
Good job again.
I have a suggestion for a future topic: Drones.
They are really changing the face of war and the US Military is in a super fast reactive mode to get some stuff in place. Some examples of things you can cover...
1 - Reconnaissance Drones (especially platoon level ones)
2 - Attack Drones (especially kamikaze drones)
3 - Drone Defense (US Army is leading US response and has already selected a number of weapons including IM SHORAD)
4 - Armenia/Azerbaijan War (A recent conflict decided by Drones)
That might get you 1 - 2 episodes out of Drones.
Love what you are doing! I found your content tonight, watch numerous videos, and am now a subscriber! I love the raw format you have. Your openness and exploration of perspectives are unique, and I love it.
You are doing a great job! 👍. Thank you for your service.
It’s very similar to south Vietnam. The local government had numerous opportunities to get a competent military presence to withstand threats to its sovereignty, yet they never managed to. When South Vietnam fell, it had a pathetic excuse for an army backed up by a tiny number of well disciplined comando units. I suspect the fall of northern Afghanistan will look very similar
Love this format and the deep dives
You summed it up very well.
I never see any afghanistan combat footage based in 2018, 2020
@@justanothernumber5567 send link
Because since 2014 only Afghan army fighting not Americans
@@noormuhammadbarakzai4242 afghan army wasn't fighting americans to begin with
@@ayomrwhiteigotdrip6235 yes
@@ayomrwhiteigotdrip6235 I think he means only afghan soldiers are fighting the war not us troops anymore
Do find your 'boots on the ground' point of view enlightening. Very interesting. Thanks!
Salute from the Netherlands, T.
This was really good, keep at it!
Good job.
I'll watch more of this content.
It might become a Special Ops. "training" site, once the military reallocates its resources.
Or another country that is “safe to bomb”.
Good video. Interesting stuff.
I think a big point that you may have only covered briefly is faith in America. If after twenty years we abandon all these Afghans to the Taliban, who is gonna trust America to have their back? Whether that be allies in the Pacific or nato, A unilateral withdrawal is admitting defeat and reminiscent of Vietnam. Also there’s still about 20k Afghan interpreters still waiting for visas, Biden is leaving them to possibly die. (Good video btw and always fascinating topics.)
To think 3 administration's thought an US military presence was necessary in Afghanistan but 1 said no. Strange that he believes we can maintain a diplomatic and humanitarian operations without the protection of our military and NATO.
@@joeclaridy to think he was Vice President of one of those very admirations. I think our biggest mistake wasn’t getting into Afghanistan, it was micro managing it, and trying to make a democracy. Take off the rules of engagement, and prop up a dictator and see how fast the Taliban folds. People act as if South Korea, south Vietnam, and japan weren’t all dictatorships until the conflicts ended.
@@thegentlemanfromkek5500 I agreed. The Afghanistan mission should've remained a Special Operations mission and should've never involved the conventional military. Army Special Forces and there counterparts are better equipped for this type of warfare and building connections with indigenous populace. They wouldn't have gotten bogged down with trying to export democracy to a foreign land.
Great vid, keep it up
I use the app you showed in last episode every day and my dad likes it very much too. Thanks :D
What app is that?
@@Jay-bf8yp liveUAMap
@@derbananenbaumler9482 Thanks, just downloaded it
"Why" is the big question, keep digging Cappy! I love this sister-channel you have going on for the long form discussion, never stop asking why.
I was culturally enriched... if it wasnt for Afghanistan, I would have NEVER known about man love Thursdays. That in itself is priceless.
"This is what winning looks like" - Ben Anderson
We're there because we can't leave. We can't leave because we're there.
Afghanistan was almost stateless when we entered so I can't say we're responsible for what happens to it's state. We toppled any authority in all of Iraq further destabilizing the region. We are responsible for what happens to Iraq.
Love this! I know a “Cappy” now MAJ in the Penn national guard.
very nice video!
Ive fallen in love with this channel
Yeah ... Chris, good work. A US and current version of the Military History Visualized channel
Wow......you went full musical there for a second.
Favorite channel
If we want to build a path forward an infrastructure plan funded and protected by a coalition of Afghan, Taliban and US forces could be a changing point. We cannot force a cultural or political change too harshly on the people of Afghanistan or they will resist. Showing a reason to be friends instead of enemies thru gradual projects is the way.
On the geopolitical level it would wrinkle China's belt and road initiative and create a launching point for the US.
I wish more people would see this. This is what we should be doing, not completely pulling out. Growing up I always thought this is what we were doing there but learning about what we actually do. I've always wondered why this kind of thing wasn't being done. I mean it's not like our government is hesitant to the idea of printing so much money we have crippling debt on top of debt.
@@samuelhowe3465 this probably isn’t the thread to really get into it, but the near entirety of the American public, including me, does not really understand what our debt is, why we have it, what it’s therefore, or how we should contextualize it. Even most economists are having to change their understanding of debt, because metrics like the GDP to debt ratio for understanding an economies health have not exactly born out to be reliable indicators in reality. Long story short it’s complicated and it’s just not comparable to personal debt which is how most people think about it.
Not possible as Afghanistan is multi ethnic and has been at war with eachother since the 80s.
@@belluh-1huey102 Anything is possible. Afghanistan was a wonderful place before US and the USSR started a proxy war.
@@BluntedBaboon Actually no, Afghanistan has been in social disorder since the first tribes met eachother.
Love these
@@TaskPurpose1stSquad it's kinda like a podcast and I love it
Good video like always but at 18:26 you say however like 10 times lol :)
In hind sight, yep... They fell pretty fast
Well, what a repeat of the war in the 80's.
Keep it up kappy. Your analysis on guns, gear, and tactics is very entertaining but I think you could find a niche for a kind of grass roots geopolitical analysis. I would recommened Peter zeihan, George Friedman, Ruchar Sharma, and Martin Jacques as some introductory reading into the field. Once you have the toehold into it try to look at historical conflicts and alliances to see what drives nations to conflict and cooperation and how remediation and breakdown occurs to try to decipher the why. Then you could reapply your practical understanding of (armed) geopolitics to the historical context of the wider field. Keep it up boot.
Very informative video
Please post more videos
Since WWII, we seem to have no trouble winning every battle and losing every peace. It would be nice if our political "leadership" had 1/10000th the courage and resolve that our armed service members do.
I would love to see a video on the Yemen War.
"we won - happy VA day! (cynical chuckle)" - PERFECT.
US is a maritime power, Afghanistan is landlocked, and the supply of troops depends of their neighbors who most of them are hostile to US. Iran was willing to work with US againts Sunni talibans, but Bush administration choose to cast them as axis of evil. Instead US relied on treacherous Pakistan ( who harboured Osama). US should cooperate with India,China, Russia to keep Afganistan a secular country
Perhaps the military needs to leave, but the US still has a moral obligation to both Iraq and Afghanistan,
most of the issues of both countries over the last several decades have their roots in US foreign policy. In a financial and advisory capacity America needs to stay involved.
About time.
I knew when we kicked this off that we would be there 15 - 20 years..
Apparently China is sending their own UN "peacekeepers" into Afghanistan maybe you could do a video on that? I've read online that China is more sympathetic towards the Taliban.
Well i guess good luck fighting a tenacious militia that hate foreigners
The occupation of the Middle East has been going on longer than I have been alive. It’s gonna be weird to have this constant be changed.
This age well
Its good we finally withdraw from Afghanistan. Of course it wouldve been better if we defeated the Taliban once and for all, but that appearently comes for too much of a cost. We must focus on China and Russia now.
maybe some good surplus will hit the market.
Hello from Hawai'i. What do you think about the Afghan Papers that came out? Should they be looked into more post pull out?
What was up with the five consecutive however that were not cut?
The GWOT has to be official ended to stop endless war.
There's a brilliant assessment of Iraq and Afghanistan through the lens of the British Army called Losing Small Wars. Its written by a retired intelligence officer but it really sums up some of the mistakes that were made and outlines the potential future of the region. It was released as ISIS came up so its a little dated there, but the mistakes are very eye opening.
Here's the issue in the Afghan War:
1. Taliban Insurgents are coming in and out of Pakistan just to avoid getting caught by the Coalition
2. Hundreds of Afghans who supported the US and it's Allies said that they will be permitted to be US-Western Immigrants and now they fear that they may be left behind to die because of the Immediate withdrawal. Look what happened in Iraq.
3. I don't see a Legitimate reason for the Taliban to make their own demands when they are part of Al-Queda Terror Network. As a matter of fact, they originated in Pakistan and Interfered when the Soviets left Afghanistan.
For now just in time for the next one.
Going to be one helluva bloodbath civil war when the Troops leave. But. What are we supposed to do ?
I mean, read up on what happened after USSR left. It's gonna happen again.
@Not Rusty Shackleford oh yeah. 2022 is gonna be tough. I Hope China takes a turn at Afghan though.
@Not Rusty Shackleford Yeah, I'm aware. I still hope though.
Afghanistan has been a bane for all the empires which have attempted to annex or occupy it throughout history. Nationally speaking Afghanistan isn't really a military threat but a threat of possible terrorist activity. The threat while not negligible isn't quite as dire as the fear mongers in the media would have you believe. There are children who grew to adulthood in Afghanistan who have only known U.S. military occupation. Realistically we should be supporting local authorities who view a working relationship with the U.S. as favorable, not flaunting our ability to put boots on their backs if we decide to do so.
They've had 20 years... If they can't survive on their own by this point then what? We stay there for another 20 years?
The world is rather complicated.
Ummm.... Yeah... About that...
LOL
Its not about pulling out, its about if we are willing to sacrifice a entire country to terrorists.
Afghanistan is for afghan people, it's their territory.. it's their country
18:27 Cappy has a brain aneurysm🤣
Trump negotiated a withdrawal where the Taliban promised to both stop terrorist attacks against the U.S. and protect local American allies. However, we agreed to leave the country by May 1.
Did we get an extension? Or did we wait just long enough to abrogate that agreement, then withdraw with no promises from the Taliban?
A side note on the USSR experience in Afghanistan: they did manage to leave a stable and functioning government and armed forces by the time they retreated. Said government outlived the USSR retreat by 3 years and only collapsed after the USSR dissolved.
From an economics perspective the 9/11 attacks by the Taliban succeeded beyond bin Laden's wildest dream. It cost a trillion or more dollars. The Afghan war led to the Iraq War of 2003 which directly led to a new low in US-foreign relations, the denigration of US military expertise and equipment and the rise of Iranian influence from Kashmir to Cairo. It led to the failure of Syria which has had global repercussions on economics and security. As well, Maii, Somalia, Yemen, etc. The US never fought the war in Afghanistan to win it. It was fought to make money for the likes of Honeywell and Lock/Mart. And for a tiny minority of American corporatists, it did make them a ton of money.
The war in Afghanistan is old enough that i can hook up with it. 😂😂
Can and should are two different things
I was a corporal when I didn't deploy
"we've been in Germany and Japan.." and these countries became economic powerhouses. Due to a lot of factors, Afghanistan will never become economically developed, so staying will not benefit the US the same way staying in Germany and Japan did.
4-5 years ago i went to a conference here in Spain, and the general that was talking literally said; "our and nato's objective in Afghanistan is the stabilization of the north part of the country to get access to the mineral resources" and everyone went silent because our government always said that we only go on support or humanitarian missions (even tho we had our fair amount of combat in the middle east and africa in those missions) and this statement was like saying we have the same motivation as the US and well... that's no bueno, as you americans say
Yeah, they're gonna need them in Ukraine.....
There is book by Mary roach called grunt that about a science around military.
Basically it focuses on non-combat science. Here chapter on medical science is very good and talks a lot about how it changed with the nature of insurgent warefare.
One of the reasons the Russians have higher deaths is advances in medical technology and doctrine. Russian wounded amounted to c.35,000 while nato wounded are c.20,000. So a much higher percentage of Russian casualties were deaths.
Pulling out to the troops to open the door for contractors.
Hi
It’s kinda like what happened in Vietnam
"Under an agreement with the Taliban" wtf
Nation building should never have been our agenda.
one death is too many in a war that we shouldnt have been involved in in the first place