I'm remembering back to what one of the nukaworld gouls said in a note, about how they had messed up their ankle, and after the first massive rainstorm they had, his leg healed almost immediately. To me, this indicates that in the first stages of goulism, they might have some temporary mutations like healing that eventually stabilize. Which is why we don't see gouls(sentient at least) that are charged or gooey. Their skin is burned by radiation, but also mutated to toughen and become durable. I don't think this is what is happening to Thaddeus. When he pulls the arrow from his neck, the wound instantly heals and the skin around the area turn(in my oppinion) grayish green. It matches the color of the (obvious) supermutant we see on the covered cart when they show the enclave base.
Thaddeus, in the bible, is the one who preachers something no one wants to hear and gets beatern for it. They might be taking his story this way as he has already done the betrayal part. I think the drug is an "elixr of life" which the player can get a hold of in Tactics.
I think it's more like any ghouls can be healed by a sufficient amount of radiation, which is something you can see when fighting a group of ghouls alongside a glowing one. If you don't take out the glowing one first, they can emit a pulse of radiation that revives the other ghouls that are seemingly dead. You can see that easier in your first fight against Oswald, if you go into the theater there are a number of dead ghouls that you can approach and they don't wake up, shoot them and they don't react, and they don't show up as targets in VATS, but when Oswald finishes his monologue he'll release a green pulse of radiation and they all get revived and attack you.
To me, when he pulls the arrow out, the flesh that grows back looks like scar tissue. Which would fit Maximus saying he was turning into a ghoul, because the scar tissue kind of resembles ghoul skin.
"goulism" You meant ghoulification? Their skin isnt burned by radiation it's rotted off and smells like a pile of shit. WE know that because of raul. What happened to Thaddeus is that his body got exposed to radiation within the water and it was high amounts of radiation (10sv) causing him to eventually turn into a ghoul as it was HIS FEET that were in the water making that area firstly effected. The Jet/Rocket hybrid wasn't going to fix him - it just had a large dose of radiation. Which ghouls are healed by but a biproduct is that they loose their minds. SuperMutants are also not a greyish green.. unless they're old like Marcus, that Mutant looked fresh but Thaddeus's skin is a light-pinkish color albeit belnding in with the rest of his body. It's the same type of shade you'd probably find with someone turning into a ghoul.
@@RobotWithHumanHair. There are so many different one of a kind things, many that turn up not to be one of a kind, why assume the narrator of a story always knows all the facts?
I think the snake oil salesman has taken the elixir himself, and probably tries to kill himself regularly, unsuccessfully, which is probably why he’s crazy. I do think he gave it to Thaddeus as a punishment. I wouldn’t be surprised if Thaddeus tracks him down in season 2 for an explanation so we can learn more. But I’m not convinced yet that it was FEV or that Thaddeus is becoming a super mutant. Keeping FEV in an unsealed jar in a briefcase strains credulity. I think it will be downright silly if he becomes a ghoul though.
I thought he could have been Harold in disguise and watched the show a second time just to see if he ever took that hat off and sadly it falls off in his first introduction. There's still a lot of hair for a small plant to be growing but nothing obvious.
But if he has taken it himself and regularly tries to kill himself would he not have lots of scars that look kinda ghoulish like thaddeus got after pulling the arrow out?
I got to meet Ella Purnell. She was super nice just like her character. She suggested I make “Ghoul-Aid” for my Halloween party. Maybe once I figure out what will go into it, I’ll update this post. Edit: I have figured it out Mango juice Lemon juice Lime vodka Blue curaçao I started with the mango juice, added enough lemon juice to balance the sweetness, enough blue curaçao to make the right color, and lime vodka to strength.
One other theory I heard was that it could be the Healing Factor serum from 76. The healing factor mutation increases health regeneration while not in combat to +300%. Since mutation serums are made with nuked flora, which is harvested in nuke zones, they may not be found much outside of Appalachia and that's why people don't see them much or even know what they are.
Not unless they wanna get sued by marvel for stealing wolverine's ability. That's the most obviously non Canon name I've ever heard for the fallout universe... 76 isn't Canon btw...
@@PositiveOnly-dm3rx76 is definitely canon. Plus, they can’t sue for a fake element. And to say they stole it from Wolverine, when it was first mentioned 7 years before he appeared, is insane 😂
that was my thoughts as well Healing factor.. the radiation protection could be a lie. since if you use radaway with healing factor, you instantly heal.
"serum" is definitely a more appropriate term than "elixer". elixir implies something wonderful or amazingly good, like "elixir of life". "serum" just implies it was something he might have dabbled in experimenting with and thought he found something "healing" in nature. sadly, it made him into a bit of a mutation and therefore an enemy of the brotherhood.
Low-level exposure to FEV tends to take much much longer and be far less predictable than full body exposure. No telling what he'll turn into over years and years.
The fact that the snake oil salesman was contemplating suicide mere moments before he stumbled upon Thaddeus and his extremely sought after commodity (working fusion core), suggests that whatever injuries the snake oil salesman had himself (I think he was limping a bit?) he chose *not* to treat with said “serum”, certainly knowing there must be some unreasonably high cost for the rapid healing factor it bestowed on Thaddeus. This tells us with pretty much certainty that whatever the serum was, it was *not* merely a standard healing-factor serum, and brought with it some severe side effects that the salesman himself would rather have chosen death than have resorted to… I’m guessing it’s FEV, particularly since the name “Thaddeus” is often associated with Frankenstein-type monsters/abominations, which would be even more fitting if his final form resembled that of a super mutant…
Dr. Blackburn breathes in a huge cloud of gas and turns instantly into a Supermutant. Thadeus uses an inhaler to breathe in something that looks like a diluted FEV, and starts a slower transformation. Seems reasonable to me... which doesn't make it correct, just something I'm willing to go with.
This is why I hate when we get down to super details like this. Blackburn turning instantly is a game mechanic. It's a cliched MMO boss fight. It has to be instant because it's time to shoot the monster now. I think in legit storytelling anyone would choose a slow transformation. I think we really need to be careful when using 76 for lore explanations. Like I can't stand how because it is an MMO they have to introduce new monsters all the time. There are more varied monsters in 76 than the rest of the Fallout universe combined. Don't get me started on the fact that all the monsters are also pre war urban legends( also all our real world urban legends or "cyrptids") Why would radiation make wendigos?
Can I point out Blackburn isnt just immersed in gaseous FEV, it seems to be charged as well, seeing the green bolts. Of course this could be for "gameplay" but it would have to be explained at some point like other "game mechanics" ie VATS, special, etc. i think blackburns FEV was a modified version hence when we get there were told theyve started recreating it but it wasnt a 1:1 form.
@@xtremejay2000 idk bout that there is a bunch of Alien/cult/paranormal/eldritch themes and stories that existed before fallout 76 like the Lovecraftian cultists who were praying to ancient evils before the bombs fell Children of Atom pray to Atom, theories that the Atom Bombs were dropped to prevent said ancient evil from arising. This is covered in fallout 3 and 4 Dunwich locations to a certain extent they seemingly mined way to deep into the earth and this was happening before Atom. That being said we have no idea if the show will ever touch on these aspects I personally think it would add that extra layer other than just "vault tec bad"
The salesmen only went for his case after Thadeus paid him with the fusion core, which the salesmen looked at like it was worth a fortune! He wouldn't have wanted Thadeus to know where the good stuff was before he was paid in case Thadeus tried to rob him, and may have only decided to give him the genuine cure-all after getting such an enormously valuable payment.
@@Fightsome64-- I think the SOS had no way to truly heal the foot without it. He felt sorry for what he knew would happen, but it was the only way to heal him.
I think how it works is that they heal rapidly but they don’t heal perfectly. So they scar and can’t regrow body parts but they still heal incredibly quickly, which still explains why they look so scarred up.
10:25 I didn't realize that was the snake docs office. it makes way more sense now. I thought he just grabbed a bunch of chemicals off a wall and prayed it worked 😭
@@Mitch_Iz_Kool_12Gaming he doesn’t specifically say where it came from or where he got it from, all he says is he use to be a normal human about a decade(10 years) ago when he just arrived in goodneighbor and he was young and would do any drug he came across or anyone offered him, and loved to do the most exotic drugs, and he says one day he found an experimental radiation drug and that it was only one of its kind left and only one hit. So he took it and became a ghoul but says “the high was so worth it”.
in FO76, you’re eventually able to craft certain “serum’s” including the “healing factor serum“ which allows your character outside of combat to instantly heal at the cost of medicinal items like stimpacks to be less effective. I’m not sure if it regenerates radiation, but it’s the most plausible explanation of what the snake oil salesman had inside of his case.
Sowed on a finger and then regenerated to make it fit yes he regenerates other wize he be walking around with a tone of holes in his chest 2:50 idk not your best break down 😅
Another thing is the perk in game makes it so radiation damage restores health so yet again yes ghouls self heal to a limit* can't regenerate whole limbs *
If he could regenerate why would he bother sowing on a finger at all, why is his skin burned. Bullet wounds may be easier for a ghouls body to deal with. But we see over and over again they don’t get super healing they don’t grow limbs back. They are just incredibly tough and can cope with damage. It doesn’t mean they fixed said damage.
@@Neoprenesiren you should re-read what i said and not take the words super literal AS I don't have time for semantics like regenerate vs super healings that's what regenerative implies, honestly we agree there is healing happening & no its not a whole limb but that's why he used her finger 😅 come on now...
@@tod557 Well... They turned a whole town with very little FEV exposure in Fallout 76, or at least, didn't require a whole dip in a vat of the stuff... same with in Fallout 3, they exposed humans to a little that's been aerosolized
be even crazier if he was a scientist back in the day before the bombs fell and because he survived this long his mind shows it perks in the most crazy of moments
(Just became a member here 😎 So im "moving" my comment into the members section 😂) : I feel like this guy might have been involved with the Enclave or something else. Maybe the Institute or another faction. I'm thinking about his overall character that doesn't really make sense. Wanted to end himself right before he saw a wounded person. The cabinet thing, I'm thinking that the guy has a background as a scientist, probably one that did crazy experiments (considering the stuff he is willing to do.. chickens and yeah..). I can imagine that some former scientist might have become a bit "crazy"/traumatized from the kind of stuff different factions, group and general wasteland is. BUT! My thinking about who he might be personally. If he's a former scientist who has done bad stuff to people. What if he regrets his past? He clearly has medicine knowledge to help basically anyone. He is standing in the open trying to help anyone with any condition he sees or thinks might "sell". But we're talking about the wasteland after all. People don't care, nobody trusts and it's really just depressing stuff to see if you care about people. So he decides to end His life after many episodes, but sees a very wounded person who he finally can help. But yes, in the end he gets threatened and decides to "return the favor". Oh and the cabinet thing, I believe it might just have been a quick general looting before getting to work. You know, we go with our companions and check out stuff that might be useful in-game. I have no idea what might happen to the crazy doctor after this, but if he is a former scientist. Then I believe he is curious to watch over his "experiment". But this is all theoretical tho! Maybe we'll find out in the next season!
I work at West Tech. I can confirm that it is most definitely a strain that we have developed not gonna divulge too much information but do with that what you will.
I've not personally played 76, but is there a reason this couldn't be a sample of the water from Huntersville (possibly mixed with stimpacks and other chems, thus a "concoction" of the salesman, but primarily FEV). alternatively it could be some kind of ghoul juice I suppose, and we do see ghouls regenerate health when glowing ones do their radiation attack. his foot doesn't heal perfectly back to normal, it's still kind of mangled and misshapen, so over time signs of damage would start to pile up and leave a person looking more like the ghouls we're used to.
@dolenore Didn't stop brotherhood from reaching Virginia, it's mentioned they lost alot of members making the journey so it's possible this is true just unlikely
@@mrplayfulshadethe brotherhood has airships. Wasteland con artists don't. If he got contaminated water from someplace, hegot it from irritated run off from the remains of either the Cathedral or Mariposa. Both are just outside of the show area
I don't think I agree with your reading of the situation when you say that Thaddeus betrayed Maximus at the campfire. He expressed doubt whether Maximus would be able to to hide the truth from the Brotherhood, but he was still speaking from the position of someone on Maximus' side. It was then Maximus himself who realized telling him might have been a mistake and immediately turned on him and tried to kill him. If anything, it was Maximus who betrayed Thaddeus when he realized that trusting him would be too risky. Thaddeus would probably eventually betray Maximus if the brotherhood ever put enough pressure on him to threaten his own survival, but he definitely did not betray him at the campfire.
Don’t know how people don’t see Maximus actions as some evil. I was shocked to see him leave the knight to die just cause of a disagreement and different views, barely anyone bats an eye cause the dudes an ass?
Maximus was one of my fav characters near the end, but he is also a terrible person. He either kills, tries to kill, or lets them die puposefilly if it serves his own interests (becoming a knight and now getting to Lucy. Tho something tells me he's going the think she abandoned him and dig his heels into the BoS plotline). It's clear he wants to do right however much of the time. But all those times technically has a payout for him (he likes to be around Lucy so when he feels she's threatened his will condemn an entire community, stealing their power core, and effectively maim unarmed people. Then he wanted to keep the core afterward.) But I can handwaive the dissonance with him being terribly traumatized and very naive.
@@youngnat I know what you mean, but in this particular instance, I can understand why he let him die. Dude being an asshole is one thing, but he directly and repeatedly threatened to have Maximus killed. And I am pretty sure he meant it too. But other times he is clearly in the wrong, like trying to kill Thaddeus, twice.
@@CC-qx7hk It is also one of the major themes of the season, that the wasteland makes normal people do terrible things. I think Maximus' future plot line probably involves him becoming a better person, though it might also get a lot worse before it gets better.
@@youngnat Seconded! Lot of scenes also feel... forced... to give us excuses as to why Maximus can be liked. In some cases quite literally, as in Maximus is prevented from an evil act only by the intervention of other characters! The writers are taking steps to ensure Maximus will not be outright hated, but is still motivated by selfish and short-term gain. The question is - what will he be like after a complete story arch? I think Maximus also has Bloody Mess, a deliberate nod to this immoral character.
The ghouls do seem to display healing factor in the show, which is new for the series. I think they're saying that mutated humans and ghouls are the same. Which explains why ghouls suddenly need to take serums, which is also new in fallout lore. People say he's supermutant, but "I think you might be a ghoul" is big hint that he might be a ghoul.
You clearly don’t know what “ex machina” means… lol “Deus ex Machina” means “god from the machine” and refers to old crappy plays where god would just appear and solve all of the problems. A modern Deus ex Machina is when something solves a problem without being foreshadowed or referenced in any way, and affects the plot in a major way. It’s like if during a horror movie the marines randomly show up and kill the bad guy with no prior mention or reason to be there. The “doctor” is FAR from a Deus ex Machina as he’s been shown offering cures and medicine, and your claim that they “wrote themselves into a hole” is idiotic because you don’t even have enough information to know where Thaddeus’ story is going yet, his injury wasn’t “required” for the story to keep going and his ailment doesn’t even really affect the story. None of what you said makes any sense. It’s very clear that the writers injured Thaddeus with the intention of giving him that cure for some unknown reason right now… we don’t know what their plan is, but they clearly have one because it was laid out and foreshadowed multiple times before it happened. Having an opinion is perfectly fine, but don’t throw around objectively wrong criticism that you don’t even understand. Just say you didn’t like it… don’t try to reference literary tropes you don’t understand and lie because you didn’t get something or weren’t paying attention.
@@DanteYewToob “None of what you said makes sense!” *writes 3 paragraphs of drivel* I get it, you hate anyone that doesn’t completely ride bethesdas pole and a “brand new miracle serum that never existed in the franchise and shows up just in the nick of time to save a character from dying” has never been done in a story before. Do you feel better getting it all off your chest, or are ya mad about some other things in life and just wanted to vent on some stranger on the internet?
I figured the background rad count was so high that all ghouls in the area were regenerating fairly quickly. It's not been long since Hank nuked everyone after all. I think it might be the same drug that made Hancock and others into ghouls. That region seems to have a greater understanding of ghouls in general(perhaps due to enclave research?), to the point where they can intentionally prevent going feral with a drug. The increased radiation from the recent bombing would also eventually degrade and destroy the ghouls' higher reasoning,, leading to the 'everyone goes feral' mindset the local ghouls have.
Long enough neither Lucy or her brother were old enough to remember it, and it was a fairly low yield device. Likely it's only areas that collected dust immediately after the detonation would still be very radioactive
You misunderstand what high regeneration would mean in this case. The scar tissue of ghouls is them being healthy because it healed. scar tissue is one that has been regenerated. Think more of Deadpool tha Wolverine.
I assumed it was FEV. I was juat waiting for them to introduce it since its such a HUGE part of the lore..when i watched the show again is when i assumed that it was this
@@SarcasticChef83 If I'm not wrong FEV and becoming/being a super mutant also have some amount of heightened regeneration. However it's also totally possible it's closer to Hancocks story.
Also yea absolutely agreed. High speed regeneration in the real world would look more like someone being a ghoul. After the bombs there were ghouls who survived even being close enough to get burned and of course Moira. The heavier layers of scar tissue show that they are in fact healing from those wounds it's just that's how scars look if you have tons of them heal over and over and over.
Scar tissue is a sign of incomplete stalled healing. It’s a protein bridge your body uses to plug up larger wounds and is slowly dissolved and replaced with healthy cells.
If it was FEV, the "Doctor" could be one of the scientists or assistances who worked for the government and is somehow still alive, and tinkered with the original formula to change it into what we saw in the show. He could also be a regular human who stumbled on either samples of it, and diluted it so the color is now yellow instead of green. He could have also just have stumbled into the recipe and through trial and error, developed his own strand. My final theory is he could be a cultist and using his connection to whatever he worships, developed or just received whatever this liquid is, and Thaddeus is now being transformed into some Lovecraftian creature.
My theory: Dr. Chickenpumpin saw a supermutant pissing in a supermarket ruin and bottled it to further his intellectual study of the bodily humours and proclivities.
Well in the TV show they do, just think at the fight in Filly, the ghoul was hit many times by bullets but seemed unaffected just like Thaddeus was with the arrow. Ghouls maybe can't regrow a missing limb or finger but they heal very fast.
The ghouls are shown in the show as being very aged and needing more serum to keep from going feral. A newly turned human may just have more healing factor and can regenerate limbs.
I’ve had a theory that the Snake Oil Salesmen is an ex-Enclave member, but I’m not sure if I’m entirely convinced that the elixir is some form of FEV(but I really hope it is)
I think it may be a more pure form of FEV, since the ones we found have had radioactive creatures and people in it. Thaddeus may be going the way of Harold and The Master with becoming a new type of mutant.
In part 4, the drug that Hancock overdosed on was also radioactive, and Nick's enemy Eddie was also turned into a ghoul due to a radiation experiment, so it seems like the basic plot is based on radiation.
There has to be more to that drug because there was also the researchers house, who was testing out a new drug that supposedly made her immune to radiation, but the drug failed, and she became a glowing one. That was three references to this mystery drug.
@shawnmoll9593 I thought about it, but somebody had to be ghoulified before him in order for him to know what the side effects were so he could warn his girlfriend about what to expect from him physical appearance. I am actually thinking of the researcher testing out the anti-radiation on herself, and we find as a glowing one was pre-war. She might actually be patient zero for ghoulification.
It's FEV. Ghouls, Synths and Super Mutants are all made with FEV; Ghouls just aren't irradiated. There are so many ghouls in the Fallout Universe because all pre-war food and drink was made with FEV. FEV makes it taste better, last longer and gives Americans low level radiation resistance. That's why 200 year old pre-war deviled eggs still good.
Sir, I for one am not a fan of this game nor have I ever had the urge to watch the show but they way you tell these stories from it is fascinating and I love listening to them.
Healing and then leaving a scared tissue behind is ghoul 😅 we know that handcock also took a drug that made him a ghoul so 1:50 idk what your going on about 😂
There’s also that Immortal Juice from the Cabot family, it keeps them young and if used on your character will both heal and make them resistant to rads.
oxhorn I have to disagree with you on some points you missed: ghouls and supermutants do regenerate. we all regenerate that how we recover from wounds. The facts Ghouls and super mutants have longevity to the point their aging stops or slows dramitcally. Is a sign of enhanced regenation on a cellular level. the example of the ghoul reattaching a finger someone else finger - means his body accepted a foriegn objet and made it part of him. also the arrow to the neck isnt automatially fatal. nicpicky as it is the arrow to the thoat needed to cause enough air blockage, trauma, forma, and blood loss to be leathal...yes normal arrow to the neck fatal. but a clean shot that blocking exess blood loss could allow a person to hold out long enough to be treated plus it was from th side not front, back diagionally so his vital organ could mostly been missed. his increased healng factor likekly subisteing a stimpack or medical team. finally ghouls are possible but disappointing result for our antagonist buddy here. fev can make you a ghoul and it was you and fallout 76 . t5hat taqught me that. 0ghoul exsisted prior to the bombs falling. and while it was likely always fev. i theorize part of ghoulficat it would also explain how so many people are survivoing the world of fallout
Be interesting if the salesman was actually a field agent for the Enclave to test these different chemicals, his persona either an act or the result of being stuck in the wasteland for too long.
I have to be honest, the first thing that I thought when I saw that scene was not the FEV, but the strange serum. The man says that he will never anymore have to bother about anymore damage (even radiation); in fallout 4 we see that the Cabot family not only survived more than 200 hundred years, but did it without a single radiation scar. We know that the serum works almost immediately, and we know it provides not only immortality (but only with prolonged exposure) and radiation protection, but it even cures wounded people: in Far Harbor we can use it to cure the patient and it works. If we use it on ourselves it works even better than a stimpack, and, we happen to know that it was already stolen in past. Could it be that the snake oil saleman got his hands on a sample? Or maybe found out a way to produce it through chemistry? Anyway, thanks for the video!
What doesn't make sense is that the Brotherhood would hate the Ghouls. I'd think they would take pity on them as they were unfortunate people who were changed due to the folly of the leaders of the pre-war world. I hope that makes sense. If not, then never mind. I think the BoS would try to help the Ghouls and not despise them.
Most ghouls are feral and attack Brotherhood scribes on sight, only takes a few attacks on scribes and scouts exploring ruins before they declare them all feral monsters and shoot on sight.
Since it's a virus, the viral quantity affects how quickly a person turns. Maybe it will take a while for thadeus, since he took very little FEV. And maybe the regeneration only happens in the initial stages, as a side effect of the rapid cell production the body has to do to increase corporal mass to make a supermutant
yeah that was my thinking as well. also maybe the reason why dipping had the best results for the survival of the subject. the infection comes with extreme tissue growth. as seen with the failed subjects this can lead to very uneven growth probably to the point where some parts of the mutated body put such a strain on the not yet mutated parts that the whole organism collapses. by this theory dipping would cause a very rapid and even infection of a majority of the subjects outer tissue and probably they even swallow and inhale some of the liquid while getting dipped, giving them the full inside and outside load. that way everything grows somewhat evenly resulting in a stable supermutant. if the snake oil serum is diluted far enough then in could feasibly just take longer for the virus to sufficiently spread through the body to start the rapid growth. maybe also who knows what the guy punched the serum with also prevents a lot of the immediate effects but eventually the FEV wins and thaddeus will start mutating
This is one of the more accurate comments. FEV is a virus. The vats he is talking about were highly concentrated. FEV in lesser quantities is everywhere in the Fallout universe as it's gotten into the water cycle.
I got the vibe that the doctors clinic was just his bag, and hes a super eccentric man and found a random pharmacy. He was "searching through the cabinet" as a show, knowing that most wastelanders will threaten him first.
He's a ghoul. I don't get why the sticking point is that "ghouls don't regenerate", as their entire existence is their bodies' way of fighting against radiation damage. Yes, they can die like anyone else, but their regenerative properties are less like "magical damage reset" and more like "my entire body is a wound that's scarred over". If they take too much damage too quickly/consistently, they have nothing to regenerate, so they die. They can't regrow limbs, but they can take on new ones. So long as they don't take fatal damage, they'll never deteriorate physically (also so long as they don't go feral and thus neglect their health and well-being).
The HP counter in the games doesn’t mean what you think it does. If you get shot a stim pack is not going to regenerate that damage. It’s simply going to let you keep fighting for longer. Ghouls get stimulation and adrenaline from radiation. I’m not saying ghouls don’t have regenerative capabilities but they’re nowhere near what we see happen with the foot and neck. Those healed completely and very quickly. Ghouls are just insanely durable and ferocious bastards.
btw, you miss the one point, ghouls wounds close up and seal quickly but they don't regenerate whole parts. The would thaddius got just closed and left a nasty scar. Ghoul is a perfectly acceptable answer to the concept.
While ghouls do regenerate we have never seen a ghouls regenerative ability in the show or games as potent as the foot scene. Maybe the neck scene alone could suggest ghoul only. But if ghouls could regenerate as quickly with as much destroyed tissue as T did when he was first given the serum no ghoul would die ever nor would they be burned from radiation damage.
i always figured it was like six chems mixed together or something. he seems like the type of guy to fuck around and find out with his elixirs and also has just enough knowledge about chemistry to do it without just offing himself (though he might off some others in the process). mixing stim packs with rad away and med-x would - i feel like - give you some pretty ghoul like immunity as well as regen. mixing that with mild internal fev exposure might 'imprint' those traits onto your body so it just...does that now? or it could be that its only fev, but the exposure is so mild that the infection is spending all its time repairing damage and hasnt had time to mutate him? pulling theories out my ass here, but i like the ideas.
There's evidence in Fallout 4 about Swan, the super mutant behemoth, slowly changing from man to mutant. If you read the notes inside his home in the pond it shows the slow decline of their mental state affer being exposed to FEV. I'm assuming that being submerged/surrounded by FEV whether gaseous or liquid is a quicker process than minimal exposure. Not to mention that if the snake oil salesman "concocted" it he probably just mixed some FEV with pee or something else to dilute it.
I love how faithful to the Source Material it is. Thaddeus would be a TH-camr if he was born before the War. Thaddeus didn't choose to betray a mentally stunted Man-Child in Power Armor, he chose Loyalty to People who don't put mentally stunted Man-Children into Power Armor.
If he concocted it, maybe it ia a mixture of hydra and some other stuff like x-cell or some creatures or even alien blood. I know looking at the historical snake oil salesmen of the past, they would mix together some of the strangest things and just let people drink it.
Thanks for your video. I am glad you mentioned the mutant at the enclave facility. I think the snake oil seller possibly worked for West Tek. What we do know is there was minimal reference to mutants in the first season. So I think it's expected that super mutants or a super mutant will play a role in the next season. As too will perhaps west tek. It's not too far fetched to think the inhaler thaddeus used was FEV. It would be interesting how his character changes with new found abilities.
worth noting in the west-tek research facility in Fallout 76 one of the patient logs mentions they are given injections on a constant basis and their skin was turning green. Which would mean that FEV is able to be administred through injections. So getting it in your blood circulation is enough to make you a mutant. And your lungs are a fast way to the circulatory system. Would make sense that the inhaler would work too.
Dr. Jain/Blackburn used a method of not only "submersion" but also "inhalation" when the chamber he was in was flooded with a gaseous form. Therefore, Thadeus inhalation was not an alternate method outside of the games administration of FEV.
Thaddeus could have been given a strain of the Healing Factor mutation from Appalachia. A strain that the Snake Oil Salesmen most likely took a hit of himself. The Salesmen may, or may not, have been around Appalachia at the time when this kind of mutation was commonplace. However, this is just speculation and I am willing to wait for potentially more information when season 2 of the show releases.
This is what I assumed. The Snake Oil Salesman refers to his drugs as serums so I figured they were just like the serums we can use in 76 that can give you specific mutations. I assume Thaddeus got healing factor or some other combination of mutation serums. He has mutations, but is not necessarily a super mutant.
Ox the first time I watched the fallout tv show I absolutely abhorred it but hearing you’re soft spoken light hearted commentary on it makes me appreciate it a little bit so thanks
TH-cam is not against gore, violence, profanity or any horrible act. They’re against not capitalizing off it. I can rent, buy and watch anything like that as long as it ISNT MADE BY CREATORS. Someone make it make sense for me.
Advertising on videos with gore or swearing is too much of a risk. Look what happened to Bud Light for sending a trans woman a can of beer one time. Consumers are stupid so advertisers are tight-fisted
The creators can make gore but they have to make it age restrictive and not make any money from the ads - the Studios pay money to Google to have their content not edited and since you pay Google by renting/buying the movie you are acknowledging the risk of the content.
@@harrypothead42024 the trans subject is more political and divisive than violence and swearing which is accepted by the majority. John wick is one of the biggest box office series, but if Keanu played a trans character, people would lose their shit. It’s hard to compare trans and violence/profanity
@@arrowprinted9909 how somebody else decides to dress act behave and identify shouldn't be a more political issue than movies and TV shows with swearing and violence. I have never been forced to gaze upon or speak to a trans person I have however been forced to hear about John Wick even though I've never wanted to watch it
I still think it was the healing factor serum, especially considering the snake oil sales man said he had serums for sale. I know that in 76 it doesn’t heal rads but it makes more sense.
The writing is on the wall. He received a mutation "serum" which gave him a "healing factor", and was then told "I think you might be a ghoul". He received a healing factor mutation serum (fallout 76), and he's turning into a ghoul. The writer is saying that people who gain a mutation (either via radiation exposure or mutation serum) will turn into a ghoul. He's not a supermutant. You guys are going to get mad when you turn out to be wrong, and it's your own fault. They weren't even being mysterious about it, he literally said "I think you might be a ghoul." Think about this, if the writers are saying that people who mutate (which can happen via mutation serum or radiation in fo76) are actually undergoing ghoulification, then there's a whole faction of scary 76ers still roaming 200 years later, each of them with plot armor. Bit more interesting than a supermutant imo. Also keep in mind that the shows ghouls take a "serum" to avoid becoming feral. In Fo76, serums suppress negative side effects of mutations. If mutations = ghoulification, then serums would suppress ferality as a side effect of ghoulification.
Also, if it's not a mutation serum that mutates/ghoulifies the user, then what is the "serum" that ghouls in the show have to take to keep from becoming feral? That's not from the games, and neither is the healing factor mutation that ghouls in the show seem to have. They're trying to say something with these 2 big changes to ghouls, and I think it's connected to the serum Thadeus takes.
Snake oil salesman specifically says "serums" when he's hawking his stuff outside Filly 9:46 "Serums to energize - serums to invigorate-" sounds suspiciously like the mutation serums available in Fallout 76. I think "serum" is the key here. Language is super important.
08:01 I'm Confused? Why did he get trapped in the T-60? In Fallout 4 when a Core is removed the Power Armor automatically Opens up Right? I mean that's way you can get someone out of there PA in game and would make sense that there's a Automatic Eject if the core is removed so that Very thing wouldn't happen to the Operator! You can't get into a PA without the core installed but again that would make sense
At this stage in fallout... it could literately be anything, a variation of something we know or a whole new chem. However... it was a clear setup, meaning we will either see it, the salesmen or Thadius again me thinks...
Also maybe the fact that Thaddeus only inhaled a single breath/mist of the FEV serum, effectively exposing only his lung tissues to the virus, but not undergoing full submersion in liquid FEV, or even being encompassed in a chamber that was then deliberately flooded with the concentrated gas. This might mean that Thaddeus eventual transformation may noticeably slowed, or that he may not even take on the worst side effects (mentally and physically) of FEV while retaining some of its benefits (immune to rads), would make some sense in terms of method of exposure and rapidity of onset of symptoms from any virulent virus.
There’s a difference between a limb being completely lost and extreme healing factor. Humans can’t regrow limbs but we can heal wounds. The bolt that went through Thaddeus’ neck didn’t sever his head from his body so the extreme healing factor could heal the wound. Ghouls can’t regrow limbs too but they can heal at an accelerated rate, as we’ve seen in the show.
When I saw maximus get trapped in his power armour it reminded me of a special encounter you can get in fallout 2 where you come across a guy trapped in a rusty suit of power armour and a bottle of oil is just out of reach 😅😅😅
The fact that Thaddeus was even walking with a foot that mangled is impressive, walking with just a broken foot is hell what his foot was going through was wicked
Perhaps being full submerged in FEV is simply the most effective or most intensive application method and that is why it was favoured by the pre-war government and institute. Most drugs can be administered in a variety of ways but the results aren't neccessarily the same. Like for instance certain skin infections are treated with medications that could be taken orally and achieve the same results but work faster when applied as a cream directly to the affected area and so that is the favoured method. Perhaps the reason the pre-war government prefered the submergence method because it changed the subject's body more significantly, they were after super-soldiers after all. It would be interesting if inhalation results in a different level or kind of mutation. It's also worth considering the fact that, as you mentioned, the Enclave are still experimenting with FEV and they could have created a previously-unseen strain.
Oxhorn, first great video as always. Second, I don't want you to dismiss the snake oil salesman as unreliable. My personal theory on him, is he was an intelligent super mutant like marcus, who spent his time trying to make a cure for a strain of fev. From time to time he tests all of his concoctions which is why he had a pipe rifle in his mouth. He wasn't trying to kill himself. He was making sure his latest concoction worked, capable of regenerating a gunshot wound to the Head. The clues are there, and if you do an analysis of every scene he is in, and his appearance, and WHERE he travels, ((wasteland, Filly, outposts)). You might see that he's no ordinary snake oil salesman.
Give cooper the glowing one aesthetic with the abilities of Oswald the outrageous using radiation to bring back previously unalived ghouls would be awesome
I think it'd be incredibly funny if the snake oil salesman accidentally perfected FEV mixture and dosage and Thaddeus is just a super human, but its much more likely he'd end up as a super mutant
I might not remember very well, but as soon as Thaddeus gets hit by the arrow in the neck, the others characters actually declare him as a Ghoul, not a Supermutant. When I watched the series it did make sense, but now I don't know what is real anymore.
I love the way you cover video games. I like listening to you as well, so learning theory about the people, the world and everything in between. I also loved the coverage of the show. I started a newer game called Once Human, I would love to see you cover that, eventually. let me know if that is possible or not, so I don't have to ask in every video :p looking forward to hearing from you soon :p
Ghouls don't regenerate, but they do heal with radiation. Example: Coop couldn't regrow a finger, but he could sew on a new one and make it bend. In that respect, Thaddeus didn't have to regrow a new head, he just had to heal a wound. And to call him a coward? - please. He may succumb to insecurity, but how many of us would face off against a Brotherhood Knight in full armor, steal his power core, and trek back to the brotherhood through the wasteland with a broken foot? Dude's a friggin LEGEND.
The Ghoul regenerated through getting shot in Filly, and when he sewed his finger on. It seems to vary throughout the show, so maybe its tied to chem usage or being well fed
Ive been saying FEV since I saw that. Ive had so many arguments with people and their only argument is "Maximus said he is a ghoul, so he is a ghoul". Maximus, the character that has no idea how the wasteland works for the most part.
One giant hole in this logic: 1. Look at his neck where the wound healed. It’s obviously rough scar tissue, not his original skin. 2. Fallout lore states there are Ghouls who don’t look ghoulified. 3. It’s likely that the ghoul’s disfigurement is just scar tissue resulting from hundreds of years of life/skin being nearly completely ripped off by nuclear blasts and all returning as scar tissue. It would also explained the singed vocal cords. I believe it was healing factor, and that those who survived as ghouls had somehow come in contact with the healing factor serum.
in Fallout 4 we also see Supermutants take over locations with vats that resemble FEV tanks, supposedly attempting to convert them into reproduction camps for any and all settlers they kidnap.
FEV has multiple strains, that affects people differently. The Master didnt became a supermutant, neither did harold.
I see Thaddeus becoming more like Harold. FEV mutation that seemed like ghoulification but isn't.
I think people forgot Floaters existed in fallout 2.
They had a notorious revive mechanic.
One master. One Harold. One Frank. These are *exceptions* and exceptions prove the rule.
76 also added the Snallygaster and Grafton Monster to the list too.
@@TortillaChip521 plenty of super mutants were more than just Fallout Orcs.
And when are we getting sentient death claws?
The biggest evidence that it was FEV is that Thaddeus is *SUCH* a super mutant name.
real
where has there ever been a Supermutant with a name like Thaddeus?
Damn. That's a really good point.
Seems legit
@@renaigh Tabitha, Fawkes, Virgil, Marcus, Grahm, Davison, Erickson.. most of them have pretty fun fanciful old names
I'm remembering back to what one of the nukaworld gouls said in a note, about how they had messed up their ankle, and after the first massive rainstorm they had, his leg healed almost immediately. To me, this indicates that in the first stages of goulism, they might have some temporary mutations like healing that eventually stabilize. Which is why we don't see gouls(sentient at least) that are charged or gooey. Their skin is burned by radiation, but also mutated to toughen and become durable. I don't think this is what is happening to Thaddeus. When he pulls the arrow from his neck, the wound instantly heals and the skin around the area turn(in my oppinion) grayish green. It matches the color of the (obvious) supermutant we see on the covered cart when they show the enclave base.
Thaddeus, in the bible, is the one who preachers something no one wants to hear and gets beatern for it. They might be taking his story this way as he has already done the betrayal part.
I think the drug is an "elixr of life" which the player can get a hold of in Tactics.
I think it's more like any ghouls can be healed by a sufficient amount of radiation, which is something you can see when fighting a group of ghouls alongside a glowing one. If you don't take out the glowing one first, they can emit a pulse of radiation that revives the other ghouls that are seemingly dead.
You can see that easier in your first fight against Oswald, if you go into the theater there are a number of dead ghouls that you can approach and they don't wake up, shoot them and they don't react, and they don't show up as targets in VATS, but when Oswald finishes his monologue he'll release a green pulse of radiation and they all get revived and attack you.
To me, when he pulls the arrow out, the flesh that grows back looks like scar tissue. Which would fit Maximus saying he was turning into a ghoul, because the scar tissue kind of resembles ghoul skin.
The real question is how much of the budget would it take to bring a supermutant into live action while having it look "realistic" 🤔
"goulism" You meant ghoulification? Their skin isnt burned by radiation it's rotted off and smells like a pile of shit. WE know that because of raul. What happened to Thaddeus is that his body got exposed to radiation within the water and it was high amounts of radiation (10sv) causing him to eventually turn into a ghoul as it was HIS FEET that were in the water making that area firstly effected. The Jet/Rocket hybrid wasn't going to fix him - it just had a large dose of radiation. Which ghouls are healed by but a biproduct is that they loose their minds.
SuperMutants are also not a greyish green.. unless they're old like Marcus, that Mutant looked fresh but Thaddeus's skin is a light-pinkish color albeit belnding in with the rest of his body. It's the same type of shade you'd probably find with someone turning into a ghoul.
I would assume this would be the same "experimental radioactive drug" that Hancock took to become a Ghoul.
Nick's enemy Eddie also turned into a ghoul due to a radiation experiment, so it seems like the basic plot is based on radiation.
Nah, that was a one of a kind drug
@@RobotWithHumanHair. Unless it's using ultra rare ingredients, there's no such thing as a one-of-a-kind drug.
@@Edax_Royeaux well Hancock says he got mega high and we don’t see that happen in the show, I’d also prefer that be unique to Hancock.
@@RobotWithHumanHair. There are so many different one of a kind things, many that turn up not to be one of a kind, why assume the narrator of a story always knows all the facts?
I think the snake oil salesman has taken the elixir himself, and probably tries to kill himself regularly, unsuccessfully, which is probably why he’s crazy. I do think he gave it to Thaddeus as a punishment. I wouldn’t be surprised if Thaddeus tracks him down in season 2 for an explanation so we can learn more. But I’m not convinced yet that it was FEV or that Thaddeus is becoming a super mutant. Keeping FEV in an unsealed jar in a briefcase strains credulity. I think it will be downright silly if he becomes a ghoul though.
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It's fallout of course it's gonna be either goofy or oh shit I think I just committed a war crime that's just how it's always been in the series
I thought he could have been Harold in disguise and watched the show a second time just to see if he ever took that hat off and sadly it falls off in his first introduction.
There's still a lot of hair for a small plant to be growing but nothing obvious.
But if he has taken it himself and regularly tries to kill himself would he not have lots of scars that look kinda ghoulish like thaddeus got after pulling the arrow out?
@@Spectre2013 that is a fair point.
I got to meet Ella Purnell. She was super nice just like her character. She suggested I make “Ghoul-Aid” for my Halloween party.
Maybe once I figure out what will go into it, I’ll update this post.
Edit: I have figured it out
Mango juice
Lemon juice
Lime vodka
Blue curaçao
I started with the mango juice, added enough lemon juice to balance the sweetness, enough blue curaçao to make the right color, and lime vodka to strength.
Cool!
She is so pretty
Ella Purnell is such a sweetheart, really kind
She's awesome. Best choice for a "Goody-two-shoes" character
Ok that is cool
One other theory I heard was that it could be the Healing Factor serum from 76. The healing factor mutation increases health regeneration while not in combat to +300%. Since mutation serums are made with nuked flora, which is harvested in nuke zones, they may not be found much outside of Appalachia and that's why people don't see them much or even know what they are.
Not unless they wanna get sued by marvel for stealing wolverine's ability. That's the most obviously non Canon name I've ever heard for the fallout universe... 76 isn't Canon btw...
@@PositiveOnly-dm3rx
Mf, Fallout has used adamantium for a long time, and not only that, but 76 is canon, despite your complaints
@@PositiveOnly-dm3rx76 is definitely canon. Plus, they can’t sue for a fake element. And to say they stole it from Wolverine, when it was first mentioned 7 years before he appeared, is insane 😂
If not FEV, I'd sat maybe healing factor serum. The snake oil salesman also specifically called it a serum rather than elixir in the scene. Thoughts?
that was my thoughts as well Healing factor.. the radiation protection could be a lie. since if you use radaway with healing factor, you instantly heal.
He told the scientists he could grow his foot back with his elixir
Maybe he mixed them together with some radx or glowing blood packs
"serum" is definitely a more appropriate term than "elixer". elixir implies something wonderful or amazingly good, like "elixir of life". "serum" just implies it was something he might have dabbled in experimenting with and thought he found something "healing" in nature. sadly, it made him into a bit of a mutation and therefore an enemy of the brotherhood.
One of the original fallout super mutants was a human dipped in the fev vat, his name was Talius.
There is a saying, "It's not the poison that kills you, it's the dose." Maybe FEV in small quantities makes you super human, not a super mutant.
Low-level exposure to FEV tends to take much much longer and be far less predictable than full body exposure. No telling what he'll turn into over years and years.
The fact that the snake oil salesman was contemplating suicide mere moments before he stumbled upon Thaddeus and his extremely sought after commodity (working fusion core), suggests that whatever injuries the snake oil salesman had himself (I think he was limping a bit?) he chose *not* to treat with said “serum”, certainly knowing there must be some unreasonably high cost for the rapid healing factor it bestowed on Thaddeus.
This tells us with pretty much certainty that whatever the serum was, it was *not* merely a standard healing-factor serum, and brought with it some severe side effects that the salesman himself would rather have chosen death than have resorted to… I’m guessing it’s FEV, particularly since the name “Thaddeus” is often associated with Frankenstein-type monsters/abominations, which would be even more fitting if his final form resembled that of a super mutant…
Good stuff!!
He‘s like Jack Sparrow 😂
Dr. Blackburn breathes in a huge cloud of gas and turns instantly into a Supermutant. Thadeus uses an inhaler to breathe in something that looks like a diluted FEV, and starts a slower transformation. Seems reasonable to me... which doesn't make it correct, just something I'm willing to go with.
This is why I hate when we get down to super details like this. Blackburn turning instantly is a game mechanic. It's a cliched MMO boss fight. It has to be instant because it's time to shoot the monster now. I think in legit storytelling anyone would choose a slow transformation. I think we really need to be careful when using 76 for lore explanations. Like I can't stand how because it is an MMO they have to introduce new monsters all the time. There are more varied monsters in 76 than the rest of the Fallout universe combined. Don't get me started on the fact that all the monsters are also pre war urban legends( also all our real world urban legends or "cyrptids") Why would radiation make wendigos?
@@xtremejay2000fallout 1 ending where you get turned into a super mutant… it’s instant there too.
Can I point out Blackburn isnt just immersed in gaseous FEV, it seems to be charged as well, seeing the green bolts. Of course this could be for "gameplay" but it would have to be explained at some point like other "game mechanics" ie VATS, special, etc. i think blackburns FEV was a modified version hence when we get there were told theyve started recreating it but it wasnt a 1:1 form.
@@joe-ov6kh True. But thats an ending cutscene. Again. It has to get to the point to show you what happened to your character.
@@xtremejay2000 idk bout that there is a bunch of Alien/cult/paranormal/eldritch themes and stories that existed before fallout 76 like the Lovecraftian cultists who were praying to ancient evils before the bombs fell Children of Atom pray to Atom, theories that the Atom Bombs were dropped to prevent said ancient evil from arising. This is covered in fallout 3 and 4 Dunwich locations to a certain extent they seemingly mined way to deep into the earth and this was happening before Atom. That being said we have no idea if the show will ever touch on these aspects I personally think it would add that extra layer other than just "vault tec bad"
The salesmen only went for his case after Thadeus paid him with the fusion core, which the salesmen looked at like it was worth a fortune! He wouldn't have wanted Thadeus to know where the good stuff was before he was paid in case Thadeus tried to rob him, and may have only decided to give him the genuine cure-all after getting such an enormously valuable payment.
Agree but it still could be fev
He immediatly said sorry after giving him the ''cure'' so i don't think he had his best interests at heart anyway :P
That's makes more sense to me
@@Fightsome64-- I think the SOS had no way to truly heal the foot without it. He felt sorry for what he knew would happen, but it was the only way to heal him.
I think how it works is that they heal rapidly but they don’t heal perfectly. So they scar and can’t regrow body parts but they still heal incredibly quickly, which still explains why they look so scarred up.
10:25 I didn't realize that was the snake docs office. it makes way more sense now. I thought he just grabbed a bunch of chemicals off a wall and prayed it worked 😭
Honestly same
This drug could be the same drug that Handcock used to become a goul. We just never figured out the name of the drug. He never told us the name
lol yeah he talks about it the first time you meet him in his office if you keep question him.
@@houstonjoker3836 what was the name of the drug and where did it came from?
@@Mitch_Iz_Kool_12Gaming he doesn’t specifically say where it came from or where he got it from, all he says is he use to be a normal human about a decade(10 years) ago when he just arrived in goodneighbor and he was young and would do any drug he came across or anyone offered him, and loved to do the most exotic drugs, and he says one day he found an experimental radiation drug and that it was only one of its kind left and only one hit. So he took it and became a ghoul but says “the high was so worth it”.
@@houstonjoker3836 well I kinda figured that because he also tells you that when you get more companion exfinity with him
@@houstonjoker3836 But Thaddeus doesn't get high. He just chokes a bit and heals.
in FO76, you’re eventually able to craft certain “serum’s” including the “healing factor serum“ which allows your character outside of combat to instantly heal at the cost of medicinal items like stimpacks to be less effective. I’m not sure if it regenerates radiation, but it’s the most plausible explanation of what the snake oil salesman had inside of his case.
Let's face it, the Snake Oil Salesman is the best character in the show. Those who hate him are just persecuting him over his scientific theories.
He definitely looks like he bangs chickens tho...
Snake salesman reminded me of a toned down Jack Sparrow.
@@strawhatdabberIt’s important research and someone needs to do it. Do you want humanity to advance or not?
Chicken banger to snake...pharmacist, that's called character development 😂
@funsamgaming he looked like the child snatcher from chitty chitty bang bang
He got the miracle immortal serum that doctor had in Fallout 4
The Cabot serum.
Can he regenerate his head tho?
Lazarus' blood? I kinda agree
@@Covolsky Lorenzo*
@@renaigh Right, thank you
Sowed on a finger and then regenerated to make it fit yes he regenerates other wize he be walking around with a tone of holes in his chest 2:50 idk not your best break down 😅
Another thing is the perk in game makes it so radiation damage restores health so yet again yes ghouls self heal to a limit* can't regenerate whole limbs *
If he could regenerate why would he bother sowing on a finger at all, why is his skin burned. Bullet wounds may be easier for a ghouls body to deal with. But we see over and over again they don’t get super healing they don’t grow limbs back. They are just incredibly tough and can cope with damage. It doesn’t mean they fixed said damage.
@@SDAchannle That’s a gameplay element the writers could ignore or simply not know about.
@@Neoprenesiren you should re-read what i said and not take the words super literal AS I don't have time for semantics like regenerate vs super healings that's what regenerative implies, honestly we agree there is healing happening & no its not a whole limb but that's why he used her finger 😅 come on now...
@ Very clearly regrowing an entire foot in three seconds is different than using a donor structure that slowly heals.
This video really shows Oxhorn never got around to doing mutations on fallout 76. The healing factor mutation is more than likely what he's got.
the most surprising thing to me, is that people actually play 76. lol
Bro got a hit of fev virus he will be a supre mutant most likely in season 2
Nah need a full dip for that lol
@@tod557 Well... They turned a whole town with very little FEV exposure in Fallout 76, or at least, didn't require a whole dip in a vat of the stuff... same with in Fallout 3, they exposed humans to a little that's been aerosolized
He could be some sorta hybrid.. I mean shit could’ve been cut with a bunch of different chems
CENTAUR!!
@@97nived perhaps similar to drinking the water, inhaling a large concentration will begin a slower transformation process.
FEV has multiple strains and is supposed to be quite easy to make.
Dr ChickenLover could also have traded for a recipe
be even crazier if he was a scientist back in the day before the bombs fell and because he survived this long his mind shows it perks in the most crazy of moments
(Just became a member here 😎 So im "moving" my comment into the members section 😂) :
I feel like this guy might have been involved with the Enclave or something else. Maybe the Institute or another faction.
I'm thinking about his overall character that doesn't really make sense. Wanted to end himself right before he saw a wounded person.
The cabinet thing, I'm thinking that the guy has a background as a scientist, probably one that did crazy experiments (considering the stuff he is willing to do.. chickens and yeah..). I can imagine that some former scientist might have become a bit "crazy"/traumatized from the kind of stuff different factions, group and general wasteland is.
BUT! My thinking about who he might be personally. If he's a former scientist who has done bad stuff to people. What if he regrets his past?
He clearly has medicine knowledge to help basically anyone.
He is standing in the open trying to help anyone with any condition he sees or thinks might "sell".
But we're talking about the wasteland after all. People don't care, nobody trusts and it's really just depressing stuff to see if you care about people. So he decides to end His life after many episodes, but sees a very wounded person who he finally can help. But yes, in the end he gets threatened and decides to "return the favor".
Oh and the cabinet thing, I believe it might just have been a quick general looting before getting to work. You know, we go with our companions and check out stuff that might be useful in-game.
I have no idea what might happen to the crazy doctor after this, but if he is a former scientist. Then I believe he is curious to watch over his "experiment".
But this is all theoretical tho! Maybe we'll find out in the next season!
I work at West Tech. I can confirm that it is most definitely a strain that we have developed not gonna divulge too much information but do with that what you will.
I've not personally played 76, but is there a reason this couldn't be a sample of the water from Huntersville (possibly mixed with stimpacks and other chems, thus a "concoction" of the salesman, but primarily FEV).
alternatively it could be some kind of ghoul juice I suppose, and we do see ghouls regenerate health when glowing ones do their radiation attack. his foot doesn't heal perfectly back to normal, it's still kind of mangled and misshapen, so over time signs of damage would start to pile up and leave a person looking more like the ghouls we're used to.
The only thing working against that thought is distance. West Virginia to California would be a very hard trip for anyone not in the Prydwyn.
@dolenore Didn't stop brotherhood from reaching Virginia, it's mentioned they lost alot of members making the journey so it's possible this is true just unlikely
@@mrplayfulshadethe brotherhood has airships. Wasteland con artists don't.
If he got contaminated water from someplace, hegot it from irritated run off from the remains of either the Cathedral or Mariposa. Both are just outside of the show area
@nicholashodges201 Yeah uhm...the brotherhood that went to West Virginia didn't come in an airship, they came on foot
I don't think I agree with your reading of the situation when you say that Thaddeus betrayed Maximus at the campfire. He expressed doubt whether Maximus would be able to to hide the truth from the Brotherhood, but he was still speaking from the position of someone on Maximus' side. It was then Maximus himself who realized telling him might have been a mistake and immediately turned on him and tried to kill him. If anything, it was Maximus who betrayed Thaddeus when he realized that trusting him would be too risky.
Thaddeus would probably eventually betray Maximus if the brotherhood ever put enough pressure on him to threaten his own survival, but he definitely did not betray him at the campfire.
Don’t know how people don’t see Maximus actions as some evil. I was shocked to see him leave the knight to die just cause of a disagreement and different views, barely anyone bats an eye cause the dudes an ass?
Maximus was one of my fav characters near the end, but he is also a terrible person. He either kills, tries to kill, or lets them die puposefilly if it serves his own interests (becoming a knight and now getting to Lucy. Tho something tells me he's going the think she abandoned him and dig his heels into the BoS plotline).
It's clear he wants to do right however much of the time. But all those times technically has a payout for him (he likes to be around Lucy so when he feels she's threatened his will condemn an entire community, stealing their power core, and effectively maim unarmed people. Then he wanted to keep the core afterward.) But I can handwaive the dissonance with him being terribly traumatized and very naive.
@@youngnat I know what you mean, but in this particular instance, I can understand why he let him die. Dude being an asshole is one thing, but he directly and repeatedly threatened to have Maximus killed. And I am pretty sure he meant it too.
But other times he is clearly in the wrong, like trying to kill Thaddeus, twice.
@@CC-qx7hk It is also one of the major themes of the season, that the wasteland makes normal people do terrible things. I think Maximus' future plot line probably involves him becoming a better person, though it might also get a lot worse before it gets better.
@@youngnat
Seconded!
Lot of scenes also feel... forced... to give us excuses as to why Maximus can be liked. In some cases quite literally, as in Maximus is prevented from an evil act only by the intervention of other characters! The writers are taking steps to ensure Maximus will not be outright hated, but is still motivated by selfish and short-term gain. The question is - what will he be like after a complete story arch?
I think Maximus also has Bloody Mess, a deliberate nod to this immoral character.
Don’t ghouls regenerate when exposed to radiation, like with glowing ones.
No that is just the glowing ones and it just speeds up their healing but not full regeneration.
The ghouls do seem to display healing factor in the show, which is new for the series. I think they're saying that mutated humans and ghouls are the same. Which explains why ghouls suddenly need to take serums, which is also new in fallout lore. People say he's supermutant, but "I think you might be a ghoul" is big hint that he might be a ghoul.
This could also be a reference the Ghoulish perk.
Ghouls have always regenerated health. In every game you can look up the stats.
@@christopherjensen3034 Ghouls in the games don't have any canonical healing factor, outside of glowing ones healing other ghouls.
I believe the chem is called “Ex Machina”, it’s most commonly used when authors write themselves into a hole.
Whoa, a "lit major" amongst our midst!
@@chessophiler i took 'getting lit' as a minor in college.
You clearly don’t know what “ex machina” means… lol “Deus ex Machina” means “god from the machine” and refers to old crappy plays where god would just appear and solve all of the problems.
A modern Deus ex Machina is when something solves a problem without being foreshadowed or referenced in any way, and affects the plot in a major way. It’s like if during a horror movie the marines randomly show up and kill the bad guy with no prior mention or reason to be there.
The “doctor” is FAR from a Deus ex Machina as he’s been shown offering cures and medicine, and your claim that they “wrote themselves into a hole” is idiotic because you don’t even have enough information to know where Thaddeus’ story is going yet, his injury wasn’t “required” for the story to keep going and his ailment doesn’t even really affect the story.
None of what you said makes any sense. It’s very clear that the writers injured Thaddeus with the intention of giving him that cure for some unknown reason right now… we don’t know what their plan is, but they clearly have one because it was laid out and foreshadowed multiple times before it happened.
Having an opinion is perfectly fine, but don’t throw around objectively wrong criticism that you don’t even understand. Just say you didn’t like it… don’t try to reference literary tropes you don’t understand and lie because you didn’t get something or weren’t paying attention.
@@DanteYewToob “None of what you said makes sense!”
*writes 3 paragraphs of drivel*
I get it, you hate anyone that doesn’t completely ride bethesdas pole and a “brand new miracle serum that never existed in the franchise and shows up just in the nick of time to save a character from dying” has never been done in a story before. Do you feel better getting it all off your chest, or are ya mad about some other things in life and just wanted to vent on some stranger on the internet?
I figured the background rad count was so high that all ghouls in the area were regenerating fairly quickly.
It's not been long since Hank nuked everyone after all.
I think it might be the same drug that made Hancock and others into ghouls. That region seems to have a greater understanding of ghouls in general(perhaps due to enclave research?), to the point where they can intentionally prevent going feral with a drug.
The increased radiation from the recent bombing would also eventually degrade and destroy the ghouls' higher reasoning,, leading to the 'everyone goes feral' mindset the local ghouls have.
Long enough neither Lucy or her brother were old enough to remember it, and it was a fairly low yield device. Likely it's only areas that collected dust immediately after the detonation would still be very radioactive
You misunderstand what high regeneration would mean in this case. The scar tissue of ghouls is them being healthy because it healed. scar tissue is one that has been regenerated.
Think more of Deadpool tha Wolverine.
I assumed it was FEV. I was juat waiting for them to introduce it since its such a HUGE part of the lore..when i watched the show again is when i assumed that it was this
@@SarcasticChef83 If I'm not wrong FEV and becoming/being a super mutant also have some amount of heightened regeneration. However it's also totally possible it's closer to Hancocks story.
Also yea absolutely agreed. High speed regeneration in the real world would look more like someone being a ghoul. After the bombs there were ghouls who survived even being close enough to get burned and of course Moira. The heavier layers of scar tissue show that they are in fact healing from those wounds it's just that's how scars look if you have tons of them heal over and over and over.
Scar tissue is a sign of incomplete stalled healing. It’s a protein bridge your body uses to plug up larger wounds and is slowly dissolved and replaced with healthy cells.
Scar tissue can also be generated internally around foreign objects to separate them from our body.
It's more likely a mutation Serum like in Fallout 76.
If it was FEV, the "Doctor" could be one of the scientists or assistances who worked for the government and is somehow still alive, and tinkered with the original formula to change it into what we saw in the show. He could also be a regular human who stumbled on either samples of it, and diluted it so the color is now yellow instead of green. He could have also just have stumbled into the recipe and through trial and error, developed his own strand. My final theory is he could be a cultist and using his connection to whatever he worships, developed or just received whatever this liquid is, and Thaddeus is now being transformed into some Lovecraftian creature.
My theory: Dr. Chickenpumpin saw a supermutant pissing in a supermarket ruin and bottled it to further his intellectual study of the bodily humours and proclivities.
When season 2 drops, I will remember it was u that called it first
Id go more for the mysterious syrum. Ghouls don't heal like that.
Agree
They do when exposed to radiation. Like, say, the lingering radiation from Hank nuking Shady Sands.
Well in the TV show they do, just think at the fight in Filly, the ghoul was hit many times by bullets but seemed unaffected just like Thaddeus was with the arrow. Ghouls maybe can't regrow a missing limb or finger but they heal very fast.
The ghouls are shown in the show as being very aged and needing more serum to keep from going feral. A newly turned human may just have more healing factor and can regenerate limbs.
I’ve had a theory that the Snake Oil Salesmen is an ex-Enclave member, but I’m not sure if I’m entirely convinced that the elixir is some form of FEV(but I really hope it is)
I thought ghouls were able to regenerate by intaking large amounts of radiation?
Can't some ghouls even revive others?
I think it may be a more pure form of FEV, since the ones we found have had radioactive creatures and people in it.
Thaddeus may be going the way of Harold and The Master with becoming a new type of mutant.
In part 4, the drug that Hancock overdosed on was also radioactive, and Nick's enemy Eddie was also turned into a ghoul due to a radiation experiment, so it seems like the basic plot is based on radiation.
There has to be more to that drug because there was also the researchers house, who was testing out a new drug that supposedly made her immune to radiation, but the drug failed, and she became a glowing one. That was three references to this mystery drug.
Eddie was probably the first ghoul as he became one before the bombs drop
@shawnmoll9593 I thought about it, but somebody had to be ghoulified before him in order for him to know what the side effects were so he could warn his girlfriend about what to expect from him physical appearance. I am actually thinking of the researcher testing out the anti-radiation on herself, and we find as a glowing one was pre-war. She might actually be patient zero for ghoulification.
It's FEV. Ghouls, Synths and Super Mutants are all made with FEV; Ghouls just aren't irradiated.
There are so many ghouls in the Fallout Universe because all pre-war food and drink was made with FEV. FEV makes it taste better, last longer and gives Americans low level radiation resistance. That's why 200 year old pre-war deviled eggs still good.
Thanks...was wondering about Lucy eating "Yum Yum" deviled eggs and not even getting food poisoning!
Makes sense
so basicly like mcdonalds food?
Sir, I for one am not a fan of this game nor have I ever had the urge to watch the show but they way you tell these stories from it is fascinating and I love listening to them.
Healing and then leaving a scared tissue behind is ghoul 😅 we know that handcock also took a drug that made him a ghoul so 1:50 idk what your going on about 😂
Thaddeus is one of my favourite characters. Hope we see more of him next year 🤞🏼
The idea that the enclave could’ve still been working on a super soldier serum is pretty cool!
They really want to make another Frank Horrigan.
There’s also that Immortal Juice from the Cabot family, it keeps them young and if used on your character will both heal and make them resistant to rads.
oxhorn I have to disagree with you on some points you missed: ghouls and supermutants do regenerate. we all regenerate that how we recover from wounds. The facts Ghouls and super mutants have longevity to the point their aging stops or slows dramitcally. Is a sign of enhanced regenation on a cellular level. the example of the ghoul reattaching a finger someone else finger - means his body accepted a foriegn objet and made it part of him. also the arrow to the neck isnt automatially fatal. nicpicky as it is the arrow to the thoat needed to cause enough air blockage, trauma, forma, and blood loss to be leathal...yes normal arrow to the neck fatal. but a clean shot that blocking exess blood loss could allow a person to hold out long enough to be treated plus it was from th side not front, back diagionally so his vital organ could mostly been missed. his increased healng factor likekly subisteing a stimpack or medical team. finally ghouls are possible but disappointing result for our antagonist buddy here. fev can make you a ghoul and it was you and fallout 76 . t5hat taqught me that. 0ghoul exsisted prior to the bombs falling. and while it was likely always fev. i theorize part of ghoulficat it would also explain how so many people are survivoing the world of fallout
Be interesting if the salesman was actually a field agent for the Enclave to test these different chemicals, his persona either an act or the result of being stuck in the wasteland for too long.
Didn't Hancock become a Ghoul because of chems?
Yes. Eddie Winter also took experimental chems pre war to turn into a ghoul.
I have to be honest, the first thing that I thought when I saw that scene was not the FEV, but the strange serum. The man says that he will never anymore have to bother about anymore damage (even radiation); in fallout 4 we see that the Cabot family not only survived more than 200 hundred years, but did it without a single radiation scar. We know that the serum works almost immediately, and we know it provides not only immortality (but only with prolonged exposure) and radiation protection, but it even cures wounded people: in Far Harbor we can use it to cure the patient and it works. If we use it on ourselves it works even better than a stimpack, and, we happen to know that it was already stolen in past. Could it be that the snake oil saleman got his hands on a sample? Or maybe found out a way to produce it through chemistry? Anyway, thanks for the video!
What doesn't make sense is that the Brotherhood would hate the Ghouls. I'd think they would take pity on them as they were unfortunate people who were changed due to the folly of the leaders of the pre-war world. I hope that makes sense. If not, then never mind. I think the BoS would try to help the Ghouls and not despise them.
Most ghouls are feral and attack Brotherhood scribes on sight, only takes a few attacks on scribes and scouts exploring ruins before they declare them all feral monsters and shoot on sight.
Since it's a virus, the viral quantity affects how quickly a person turns. Maybe it will take a while for thadeus, since he took very little FEV. And maybe the regeneration only happens in the initial stages, as a side effect of the rapid cell production the body has to do to increase corporal mass to make a supermutant
yeah that was my thinking as well. also maybe the reason why dipping had the best results for the survival of the subject.
the infection comes with extreme tissue growth. as seen with the failed subjects this can lead to very uneven growth probably to the point where some parts of the mutated body put such a strain on the not yet mutated parts that the whole organism collapses.
by this theory dipping would cause a very rapid and even infection of a majority of the subjects outer tissue and probably they even swallow and inhale some of the liquid while getting dipped, giving them the full inside and outside load. that way everything grows somewhat evenly resulting in a stable supermutant.
if the snake oil serum is diluted far enough then in could feasibly just take longer for the virus to sufficiently spread through the body to start the rapid growth. maybe also who knows what the guy punched the serum with also prevents a lot of the immediate effects but eventually the FEV wins and thaddeus will start mutating
This is one of the more accurate comments.
FEV is a virus.
The vats he is talking about were highly concentrated.
FEV in lesser quantities is everywhere in the Fallout universe as it's gotten into the water cycle.
The amount of people who think the ghouls serum is just rad away is seriously concerning.
Yeah that's definitely Wild
Thaddeus will be a new Super Mutant that be cool a nice mix up i did not even notice great video i love this Series.
Thaddeus going to be the new Master? Are we getting super mutants in season 2? Hype train 14:58
I got the vibe that the doctors clinic was just his bag, and hes a super eccentric man and found a random pharmacy. He was "searching through the cabinet" as a show, knowing that most wastelanders will threaten him first.
He's a ghoul. I don't get why the sticking point is that "ghouls don't regenerate", as their entire existence is their bodies' way of fighting against radiation damage.
Yes, they can die like anyone else, but their regenerative properties are less like "magical damage reset" and more like "my entire body is a wound that's scarred over".
If they take too much damage too quickly/consistently, they have nothing to regenerate, so they die. They can't regrow limbs, but they can take on new ones. So long as they don't take fatal damage, they'll never deteriorate physically (also so long as they don't go feral and thus neglect their health and well-being).
They do regenrate. Its been in the stats of ghouls since f01
The HP counter in the games doesn’t mean what you think it does. If you get shot a stim pack is not going to regenerate that damage. It’s simply going to let you keep fighting for longer. Ghouls get stimulation and adrenaline from radiation. I’m not saying ghouls don’t have regenerative capabilities but they’re nowhere near what we see happen with the foot and neck. Those healed completely and very quickly. Ghouls are just insanely durable and ferocious bastards.
btw, you miss the one point, ghouls wounds close up and seal quickly but they don't regenerate whole parts. The would thaddius got just closed and left a nasty scar. Ghoul is a perfectly acceptable answer to the concept.
While ghouls do regenerate we have never seen a ghouls regenerative ability in the show or games as potent as the foot scene. Maybe the neck scene alone could suggest ghoul only. But if ghouls could regenerate as quickly with as much destroyed tissue as T did when he was first given the serum no ghoul would die ever nor would they be burned from radiation damage.
Kinda looks like the Chem the Ghoul takes to avoid going feral.
i always figured it was like six chems mixed together or something. he seems like the type of guy to fuck around and find out with his elixirs and also has just enough knowledge about chemistry to do it without just offing himself (though he might off some others in the process). mixing stim packs with rad away and med-x would - i feel like - give you some pretty ghoul like immunity as well as regen. mixing that with mild internal fev exposure might 'imprint' those traits onto your body so it just...does that now? or it could be that its only fev, but the exposure is so mild that the infection is spending all its time repairing damage and hasnt had time to mutate him? pulling theories out my ass here, but i like the ideas.
There's evidence in Fallout 4 about Swan, the super mutant behemoth, slowly changing from man to mutant. If you read the notes inside his home in the pond it shows the slow decline of their mental state affer being exposed to FEV. I'm assuming that being submerged/surrounded by FEV whether gaseous or liquid is a quicker process than minimal exposure. Not to mention that if the snake oil salesman "concocted" it he probably just mixed some FEV with pee or something else to dilute it.
I love how faithful to the Source Material it is.
Thaddeus would be a TH-camr if he was born before the War.
Thaddeus didn't choose to betray a mentally stunted Man-Child in Power Armor, he chose Loyalty to People who don't put mentally stunted Man-Children into Power Armor.
If he concocted it, maybe it ia a mixture of hydra and some other stuff like x-cell or some creatures or even alien blood. I know looking at the historical snake oil salesmen of the past, they would mix together some of the strangest things and just let people drink it.
Thanks for your video. I am glad you mentioned the mutant at the enclave facility. I think the snake oil seller possibly worked for West Tek. What we do know is there was minimal reference to mutants in the first season. So I think it's expected that super mutants or a super mutant will play a role in the next season. As too will perhaps west tek.
It's not too far fetched to think the inhaler thaddeus used was FEV. It would be interesting how his character changes with new found abilities.
Awesome :D Glad to see your opinion on Thaddeus :)
Thaddeus is a Super Mutant, and its gonna be exciting in season 2 to see at least one live-action Super Mutant.
worth noting in the west-tek research facility in Fallout 76 one of the patient logs mentions they are given injections on a constant basis and their skin was turning green. Which would mean that FEV is able to be administred through injections. So getting it in your blood circulation is enough to make you a mutant. And your lungs are a fast way to the circulatory system. Would make sense that the inhaler would work too.
Dr. Jain/Blackburn used a method of not only "submersion" but also "inhalation" when the chamber he was in was flooded with a gaseous form. Therefore, Thadeus inhalation was not an alternate method outside of the games administration of FEV.
Thaddeus could have been given a strain of the Healing Factor mutation from Appalachia. A strain that the Snake Oil Salesmen most likely took a hit of himself. The Salesmen may, or may not, have been around Appalachia at the time when this kind of mutation was commonplace. However, this is just speculation and I am willing to wait for potentially more information when season 2 of the show releases.
This is what I assumed. The Snake Oil Salesman refers to his drugs as serums so I figured they were just like the serums we can use in 76 that can give you specific mutations. I assume Thaddeus got healing factor or some other combination of mutation serums. He has mutations, but is not necessarily a super mutant.
He could’ve been testing how far he could take the healing factor when he had the gun in his mouth
Coulda been distraught over a chicken turning him down. . ".bwak, wak, wak, wakkk!"
Ox the first time I watched the fallout tv show I absolutely abhorred it but hearing you’re soft spoken light hearted commentary on it makes me appreciate it a little bit so thanks
TH-cam is not against gore, violence, profanity or any horrible act. They’re against not capitalizing off it. I can rent, buy and watch anything like that as long as it ISNT MADE BY CREATORS. Someone make it make sense for me.
Advertising on videos with gore or swearing is too much of a risk. Look what happened to Bud Light for sending a trans woman a can of beer one time. Consumers are stupid so advertisers are tight-fisted
The creators can make gore but they have to make it age restrictive and not make any money from the ads - the Studios pay money to Google to have their content not edited and since you pay Google by renting/buying the movie you are acknowledging the risk of the content.
@@avph fascinating, thank you
@@harrypothead42024 the trans subject is more political and divisive than violence and swearing which is accepted by the majority. John wick is one of the biggest box office series, but if Keanu played a trans character, people would lose their shit. It’s hard to compare trans and violence/profanity
@@arrowprinted9909 how somebody else decides to dress act behave and identify shouldn't be a more political issue than movies and TV shows with swearing and violence. I have never been forced to gaze upon or speak to a trans person I have however been forced to hear about John Wick even though I've never wanted to watch it
I still think it was the healing factor serum, especially considering the snake oil sales man said he had serums for sale. I know that in 76 it doesn’t heal rads but it makes more sense.
The writing is on the wall. He received a mutation "serum" which gave him a "healing factor", and was then told "I think you might be a ghoul". He received a healing factor mutation serum (fallout 76), and he's turning into a ghoul. The writer is saying that people who gain a mutation (either via radiation exposure or mutation serum) will turn into a ghoul. He's not a supermutant. You guys are going to get mad when you turn out to be wrong, and it's your own fault. They weren't even being mysterious about it, he literally said "I think you might be a ghoul."
Think about this, if the writers are saying that people who mutate (which can happen via mutation serum or radiation in fo76) are actually undergoing ghoulification, then there's a whole faction of scary 76ers still roaming 200 years later, each of them with plot armor. Bit more interesting than a supermutant imo.
Also keep in mind that the shows ghouls take a "serum" to avoid becoming feral. In Fo76, serums suppress negative side effects of mutations. If mutations = ghoulification, then serums would suppress ferality as a side effect of ghoulification.
Also, if it's not a mutation serum that mutates/ghoulifies the user, then what is the "serum" that ghouls in the show have to take to keep from becoming feral? That's not from the games, and neither is the healing factor mutation that ghouls in the show seem to have. They're trying to say something with these 2 big changes to ghouls, and I think it's connected to the serum Thadeus takes.
Snake oil salesman specifically says "serums" when he's hawking his stuff outside Filly 9:46 "Serums to energize - serums to invigorate-" sounds suspiciously like the mutation serums available in Fallout 76. I think "serum" is the key here. Language is super important.
I am happy you made a video about a theory I also heavily support and came up with on my own after watching the show, glad we think alike ^^
I think the "doctor" could have concocted it with FEV. His method and modifications could account for the differences in effects.
My initial thoughts exactly
08:01 I'm Confused? Why did he get trapped in the T-60? In Fallout 4 when a Core is removed the Power Armor automatically Opens up Right? I mean that's way you can get someone out of there PA in game and would make sense that there's a Automatic Eject if the core is removed so that Very thing wouldn't happen to the Operator! You can't get into a PA without the core installed but again that would make sense
The power armor doesn't open when the core is taken out.
GLAD WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE!!! Im thinking Thadius is going to be a super mutant (think more like virgil though) in season 2
I feel like the elixir was just a mixture of a Stimpak and Rad-X _🤔🤔_
At this stage in fallout... it could literately be anything, a variation of something we know or a whole new chem.
However... it was a clear setup, meaning we will either see it, the salesmen or Thadius again me thinks...
Also maybe the fact that Thaddeus only inhaled a single breath/mist of the FEV serum, effectively exposing only his lung tissues to the virus, but not undergoing full submersion in liquid FEV, or even being encompassed in a chamber that was then deliberately flooded with the concentrated gas.
This might mean that Thaddeus eventual transformation may noticeably slowed, or that he may not even take on the worst side effects (mentally and physically) of FEV while retaining some of its benefits (immune to rads), would make some sense in terms of method of exposure and rapidity of onset of symptoms from any virulent virus.
Well if it is FEV. Maybe thaddeus will turn into a centaur. We can only hope.
🤣😂 they are headed to Vegas
There’s a difference between a limb being completely lost and extreme healing factor. Humans can’t regrow limbs but we can heal wounds. The bolt that went through Thaddeus’ neck didn’t sever his head from his body so the extreme healing factor could heal the wound. Ghouls can’t regrow limbs too but they can heal at an accelerated rate, as we’ve seen in the show.
There's a difference between regeneration and healing. We see Thaddeus heal, not regenerate.
You have a beautiful way with words and understand people and their minds so well. Thank you for this video
In at least Fallout 4 Ghouls do have a minor radiation healing factor, glowing ones are even able to outright revive dead ferals with radiation
I had assumed it was a sort of reference to the mutation serums in 76.
When I saw maximus get trapped in his power armour it reminded me of a special encounter you can get in fallout 2 where you come across a guy trapped in a rusty suit of power armour and a bottle of oil is just out of reach 😅😅😅
The fact that Thaddeus was even walking with a foot that mangled is impressive, walking with just a broken foot is hell what his foot was going through was wicked
Perhaps being full submerged in FEV is simply the most effective or most intensive application method and that is why it was favoured by the pre-war government and institute. Most drugs can be administered in a variety of ways but the results aren't neccessarily the same. Like for instance certain skin infections are treated with medications that could be taken orally and achieve the same results but work faster when applied as a cream directly to the affected area and so that is the favoured method. Perhaps the reason the pre-war government prefered the submergence method because it changed the subject's body more significantly, they were after super-soldiers after all. It would be interesting if inhalation results in a different level or kind of mutation. It's also worth considering the fact that, as you mentioned, the Enclave are still experimenting with FEV and they could have created a previously-unseen strain.
Oxhorn, first great video as always. Second, I don't want you to dismiss the snake oil salesman as unreliable. My personal theory on him, is he was an intelligent super mutant like marcus, who spent his time trying to make a cure for a strain of fev. From time to time he tests all of his concoctions which is why he had a pipe rifle in his mouth. He wasn't trying to kill himself. He was making sure his latest concoction worked, capable of regenerating a gunshot wound to the Head. The clues are there, and if you do an analysis of every scene he is in, and his appearance, and WHERE he travels, ((wasteland, Filly, outposts)). You might see that he's no ordinary snake oil salesman.
Give cooper the glowing one aesthetic with the abilities of Oswald the outrageous using radiation to bring back previously unalived ghouls would be awesome
I think it'd be incredibly funny if the snake oil salesman accidentally perfected FEV mixture and dosage and Thaddeus is just a super human, but its much more likely he'd end up as a super mutant
This was an actually big brain video that made my eyes shoot from their sockets like a cartoon character.
I might not remember very well, but as soon as Thaddeus gets hit by the arrow in the neck, the others characters actually declare him as a Ghoul, not a Supermutant. When I watched the series it did make sense, but now I don't know what is real anymore.
I love the way you cover video games. I like listening to you as well, so learning theory about the people, the world and everything in between. I also loved the coverage of the show. I started a newer game called Once Human, I would love to see you cover that, eventually. let me know if that is possible or not, so I don't have to ask in every video :p looking forward to hearing from you soon :p
Ghouls don't regenerate, but they do heal with radiation. Example: Coop couldn't regrow a finger, but he could sew on a new one and make it bend. In that respect, Thaddeus didn't have to regrow a new head, he just had to heal a wound. And to call him a coward? - please. He may succumb to insecurity, but how many of us would face off against a Brotherhood Knight in full armor, steal his power core, and trek back to the brotherhood through the wasteland with a broken foot? Dude's a friggin LEGEND.
The Ghoul regenerated through getting shot in Filly, and when he sewed his finger on. It seems to vary throughout the show, so maybe its tied to chem usage or being well fed
Love your fallout journalism! Excellent content!
Ive been saying FEV since I saw that. Ive had so many arguments with people and their only argument is "Maximus said he is a ghoul, so he is a ghoul". Maximus, the character that has no idea how the wasteland works for the most part.
One giant hole in this logic:
1. Look at his neck where the wound healed. It’s obviously rough scar tissue, not his original skin.
2. Fallout lore states there are Ghouls who don’t look ghoulified.
3. It’s likely that the ghoul’s disfigurement is just scar tissue resulting from hundreds of years of life/skin being nearly completely ripped off by nuclear blasts and all returning as scar tissue. It would also explained the singed vocal cords.
I believe it was healing factor, and that those who survived as ghouls had somehow come in contact with the healing factor serum.
in Fallout 4 we also see Supermutants take over locations with vats that resemble FEV tanks, supposedly attempting to convert them into reproduction camps for any and all settlers they kidnap.