The Great Game Revealed - Fallout Show Lore
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- Before the war, the rich and powerful devised ingenious ways to survive the apocalypse. After the bombs dropped, they emerged from the ashes of the old world to hunt each other. This was the Great Game. Who was involved?
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Mentioned in this video:
Lorenzo Cabot: th-cam.com/video/wXwwp4IYaKE/w-d-xo.html
Eddie Winter: th-cam.com/video/iwDRUusQiFM/w-d-xo.html
Point Lookout--The Complete Story: th-cam.com/play/PLX3Sax_xs4WTBfoteH88GmTBWXuAJiipf.html
Secret RobCo Robobrain Lab: th-cam.com/video/T1WsZi4kRnc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e1nheCRzMImrTvvt
Also, viewers below have raised a good point, that John-Caleb Bradburton is an EXCELLENT candidate for being a Great Game participant! I previously did a lore video on him, that you can watch here: th-cam.com/video/W1l5dPL65GQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KysA4X0DWfGCk5B6
Lorenzo Cabot isn’t part of that seeing he was immortal long before the Great War.
I’m surprised there was no mention of Caleb Bradberton. he’s definitely a candidate for playing the great game, maybe not actively trying to end anyone but he definitely did try and preserve himself before the Great War
He was the boss🙈🤔
Maybe or 1 of the employees
Considering bottlecaps are now the currency of America, I'd say John-Caleb Bradberton indirectly won the great game of capitalism
He kinda weaseled his way into preserving his life, pulling all his connections and funneling money from his park to his life preserving experiment. That tells me he was not at all important compared to the other rich important ppl in that universe
I think by this point in time the two players from point lookout were already unofficially out. What they did took a good amount of prep time and the meeting takes places only about a year or few months before the end. Those two were probably already in their hideaways
The Great Game is one of my favorite sub-plots of the Fallout series. How the post apocalyptic world is still being shaped by old ghosts and in some cases “demons” of a past age.
I love that Amazon Prime's closed captioning referes to Bud's Vault 31 form as 'Brain on a Roomba'
Same!
House in the show struck me as a man who was completely uninterested in what Vault tec proposed. I think he had already made his own calculations before this meeting. Attending the meeting was probably a courtesy from him and it just confirmed his own calculations. Hes so uninterested in the Vaults when the other attendees start arguing House im pretty sure dosent he lights another cigarette instead.
It also explains why repconn was there despite being a Robco company, House wanted a second person on the board to essentially be a yes man to whatever he proposed during that meeting
I'm glad someone else pointed this out. There are so many haters that are/were so upset that House was included in the board meeting.
"Fan Service"? Sure, i feel it's a bit of that. Then again, that's only if you didn't listen carefully to his dialog and how he seemed more interested in how it would benefit his interests.
As you stated, it's because he already had a plan or at the very least, came up with a plan shortly after that meeting!
House literally keeps his "cards" close to his chest. So it's very possible that some of the information he gives to The Courier is only what he wants us to know!
It's also very possible that given how much was cut from the game and how little time Obsidian was given to complete it, that "they" had other ideas on where to go the story.
Plus you never give everything away in one go if A) You don't actually know the full story yourself. B) You don't even know if your getting a sequel. And C) Even if you do get a sequel, you'll have more time to flush out your characters and give more info later.
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Even if.. *there's no guarantee* they'll have more time.. etcetera.
Idk I like house as the verbose quirky but in a scary smart way business man. The show version kind of felt like they wanted a Logan Roy type of character. But I can’t wait to see what they’ll do with season 2 and makes me think they’ll expand on that and maybe house became the house we know through all those years in the post apocalyptic world
@@wildercerrate7295 I mean house had his own plans, sure, but the way I see it repconn was there to be the yes man if anything proposed in the meeting piqued houses interest, house could use repconn as a means to get what he wants without directly playing into the game
Lore accurate House. I still can't believe people are hating on the fallout TV show. Ulysses predicted the fall of New Vegas and the major factions. Why are people so butthurt lol. Gives more space for new factions, like VAULT FUCKING TEC, to join the videogame.
The whole recurring point of Fallout is that everyone had their fingers on the button, and yet everybody seems to have been surprised by the bombs falling.
Kind of a "MAD is a self-fulfilling prophecy when desperation hits" point I guess.
That's why I want there to never be a definitive answer to who started everything. People seem to act like because the show had Cooper's wife say that line that Vault-tec did it. Well that has been one of the theories supported by evidence in the games but lots of others have eveidence too. I think that is the point. Each one is plausible but we should never know for sure. But I am ok with evidence pointing that it COULD be as long as it is never definitive.
@@xtremejay2000They could also have put that in there purposely to make us wonder or mislead into thinking it had to have been Vault Tech. They could have been planning it themselves but then things didn’t actually go to plan & they had to scramble to get what bits of their plan into action that they could salvage in short notice. I kinda like the ambiguity in not knowing who it actually was, too, even though I’m a bit curious, too.
@@loraelstad8941 Yes that was my point. Did I not get it across correctly? I'm saying I HOPE the tv's show reveal is just another example of WHO might have started it because I like that we don't know for sure and 200 years after the world ends, does it really matter WHO did it. There are so many things i the lore that "contradict" and I think it's on purpose. Was it P.A.M.? Was it Vault-Tec? Was it the Captain on the Yanghzee? Was it Russia? Was it China? Was it what became The Enclave? All of them have evidence. That's how I would like to keep it.
Mothership zeta implies the aliens dropped the bombs
@@woddlyoats They're one of the groups I refer to. Mothership Zeta only implies the aliens were trying to get the codes (and that log's broken in-game, so like the Underworld Ghoul doctor's terminal it's unclear canon).
The point of the recurring motif seems to indicate that anyone could have done it because so many were capable of doing it by the time the war happened.
Imo Mr. House didn't play The Great Game because his ego would tell him he'll outlive everyone, and if we go with the highly possible ending of him winning in New Vegas, and if the Walking Doomsday (the Courier) left MT at some point, that House wouldn't ever have a rival because the Courier would protect House. There's also the possibility of The Courier joining the Great Game himself because House would try to make the Courier immortal.
It's a total win-win for the Courier and House to keep working together. House would have the protection of the Walking Doomsday (The Courier) and the Courier would have a constant flow of caps as long as House is alive
I dont think that's what the show runners want, though. The end credits showed vegas in a very poor state. Crashed virtibird and destroyed securitrons litter the street. The city still bundled up behind the walls. if it was thriveing with Big Mt tech at his side that place would have expanded by now and be all lite up. We just have to wait and see what they did to our beloved New Vegas.
Plus in the ending for Old World Blues the Courier was said to use the tech from Big MT to help the wasteland, they'd be shaping the world just from that. Plus they became a cyborg which from what we understand makes them immortal.
@@iancanterbury2380 sadly I think what General Oliver threatened to do at the end of NV came true, the NCR came back to fight against House.
The threat occurs for both Independent and House endings.
The Great Game was a rivalry between the 19th-century British and Russian empires over influence in Central Asia, primarily in Afghanistan, Persia, and Tibet. The two colonial empires used military interventions and diplomatic negotiations to acquire and redefine territories in Central and South Asia. Russia conquered Turkestan, and Britain expanded and set the borders of British colonial India. By the early 20th century, a line of independent states, tribes, and monarchies from the shore of the Caspian Sea to the Eastern Himalayas were made into protectorates and territories of the two empires.
In the historical sense, the term dates from the mid-19th century. A similar term, the "Tournament of Shadows" was reportedly used by Russian diplomat Karl Nesselrode. In July 1840, in correspondence to Major Henry Rawlinson who had been recently appointed as the new political agent in Kandahar, Conolly wrote, "You've a great game, a noble game, before you." Conolly believed that Rawlinson's new post gave him the opportunity to advance humanitarianism in Afghanistan, and summed up his hopes:
"If the British Government would only play the grand game - help Russia cordially to all that she has a right to expect - shake hands with Persia - get her all possible amends from Oosbegs - force the Bukhara Amir to be just to us, the Afghans, and other Oosbeg states, and his own kingdom - but why go on; you know my, at any rate in one sense, enlarged views. The expediency, nay the necessity of them will be seen, and we shall play the noble part that the first Christian nation of the world ought to fill"
My comments: If you apply that historical term to what could possibly happen behind the scene in Fallout world post nukes, then it might give new spin to the post-post apocalypse genre. There could third world nation in there or NGO trying to conquer all those great pre war superpower nation corpses as the power vacuum wanting to be filled. And this might be how you move this series forward, instead of just cheap "nuking all those civilization back to dust again".
I hope Jonathan and the writers read your comment.
@@chengkuoklee5734they ain’t reading any youtube comments let alone entire essays lmao
That it dated to a time before our IRL history and that of the Fallout universe are supposed to have diverged in some ways, is fascinating. Wouldn’t mind some inclusion of this in the lore.
Groups like The Brother Hood of Steel?
That would be amazing.
The swamp people are the real bullet sponges of Fallout.
Yes, yes, they are. I'm happy someone else noticed .
I cannot relate to this, i only encountered them when im level 90+ (because i never went to their supposed spawn locations until lvl90+ for some quest near Quincy) and have a sniper rifle that can one shot anyone due to my max crit, rifle, sneak, ap, vats build. And i was also hunting mirelurk kings at this area that i didnt know Fallout players hated swamp people so much(i read many threads in reddit and steam complaining about them when i was asking about feral boy i found in a fridge)
Straight up.
It's also the Tribals worshiping the brain, when The Sat Factory's DLC-review showed the VATS screen moment
at the mansion of nailing them in the head and just shaking their head to simply just shake it off,
it took me back to the same exact moment I saw the same kind of screen. /
@@Tiananmen1989FreeTibetHK Level 90 in Fallout 3 nice job!
I am so Pro House I am practically an employee at RobCo
Then i hope you are happy with yes man taking over everything, as his creation, after the events of new vegas
No matter what, house always was the better path for humanity. He is definitely an " cracked eggs to make an omelet" guy but thems some good omelets. If you seen a YT name omega initiative, he has a good what if about house that you should watch.
I love Vault-Tec so much I could be Stanislaus Braun's personal ass.
@@mikitz 😂
And me a Repconn employee lol
Don't forget that V21 was also located in New Vegas. Hank probably had access to location data for other Vaults near the 31/2/3 trifecta, and figured he might have a chance to get aid at 21. Though of course he has no idea its filled with concrete now.
As for House, I doubt Bethesda would allow such a fan favorite character to be killed off after just having been introduced in the show. So I'm of the opinion that House survived the events of New Vegas. If that's the case then it would soft lock the canon of NV into either the House or NCR routes, similar to how the presence of the Prydwen back on the West Coast in 2296 during the show soft locks the canon of F4 into either a Minuteman or BoS victory over the Institute
In all fairness House was always the cannon ending.
The legion beyond vegas had no chance on staying unified without the guidance of Ceasar.
If Ceasar didn't threw his right hand man off a cliff while on fire the legion would have had a future but Lanius simply doesn't have the means to keep the tribes together.
The NCR barely held it together and merely used the impending doom the Legion seemed to be to keep people in line.
Even with a victory that would have only lasted for a couple of years before the NCR would have to fight their own to stave off a cival war over areas attemping to break off and leave.
Yes man was a simply failsave and the failsafe questline tells you House was the winner in the New vegas conflict.
If House wins all win.
The NCR leaving with a bloodied nose would have to restructure its government to remain intact.
Which is possible with the new supply of Hooverdam power generation.
The legion falling apart would have the tribes probably turn in to a kalifate of tribalstates like in ancient times under Alexander the great.
House as a power broker would keep the State of Nevada as a neutral peace state allowing for negotiations etc.
However i don't see any of these things happen in the show as they jumped the gun and blew up the NCR figuring the legion already fell apart.
I'd rather have had the show be its own thing instead of retreading things and then possibly retconning plotlines for the sake of a show that could have been better being its own thing.
I mean power armor was everywhere why the need of the B.O.S. etc? Fallout 4 had their Atom cats for instance.
It would have been more fun seeing new factions then old ones that already told their stories or are simply no where near the area to be relevant.
@@vonshroom2068house unfortunately won’t be the canon ending, it will be yes man, the securitrons at the end of the show are white and don’t have the house upgrades
@@delete88 Yeah its kinda why i didn't bother with the show to begin with.
Sadly movie and show makers these days are stuck between studio execs and check box commitees.
As shady the blockbuster deals were in the 80s atleast it would atleast give writers and directors a lump sum to churn out anything remotely watch-able.
This generally lead to low level pasion projects between effects teams, writters and directors.
But now we just run things by numbers and blame the audience for pointing out 2+2 doesn't equal 5.
@@vonshroom2068 bruh no matter what ending you choose for FNV it ends in chaos lmao, idk im a die hard new Vegas fan since the day it dropped and this show was a wet dream come true, the cinamatic of it and everything was just on point for fallout, i mean come one, they put hacking in it, plus the NCR are already on the down cline during new Vegas
@@delete88its a good fallout show except they ruined the lore of fallout 1,2 and new vegas.
Muldaver was definitely playing it in her own way. She was wealthy, very intelligent, and managed to somehow live for 200 years and barely age in the process. I really hope they cover and fill in the blanks in her background.
my personal idea is that vault tec wanted to keep her around for her expertise in cold fusion, so they did a brain scan like what nick had and got some dna they can put in a cloner to just bring her out if they ever needed her again.
@@claytopolis I hope she's a clone and not frozen, also a way to bring her back. Too many frozen people waking up at around the same time
The synth theory actually makes the most sense. This is because Muldaver was an scientist first and foremost and likely had strong connections the the Commonwealth Institute of Technology, which later became the Institute. It’s entirely possible they gave her a seat in their bunker and decided her brain was worth scanning. Muldaver would likely have no interest in the great game though, and would likely view it as stupid.
@@pmpowalisz I dont know about that. The institute refused to ever see synths as more than just androids. The main reason to make her into one would be to make sure her genius can aid them but the institute only uses synths for basic labor. Not to mention the human synths have only been a thing they could make 60 years prior to f4. Also we have no evidence they even used this personality imprinting technology on anyone but nick or if it can even be used on the human synths.
@@claytopolis we also have no evidence they didn’t use the imprinting technology on others besides Nick. Not all Institute scientists agree with every Institute belief, and there could have been a small faction that believed in Muldaver’s mission. The police state department has proven that they can’t keep track of or control everything. The dates all line up too, since Gen 3 synths existed long enough for Muldaver to reach the west coast and start the known events she did in the show. Also the show’s showrunners Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy also were the show runners for the HBO series Westworld (Hosts and synths have a LOT in common) so it is extremely unlikely that they wouldn’t use a plausible lore friendly storyline about robots that are almost indistinguishable from humans. This includes Danse as well, in fact Muldaver and Danse could have escaped the Institute and fled to the Capital wasteland together before separating.
I am liking that Vault-Tec is not only still active somewhere in the wasteland but that they also have their own plans separate from the other big players. Also I find it oddly specific that they described their headquarters as the most heavily secured facility in America, they word it as if either Lucy or even us are going to be heading there someday.
Well my dear friend that's called foreshadowing and that's because we are going there someday :)
Btw love persona and love that destiny pfp
plus their are other players who know about the game and still actively playing it 200+ years later. some for it, some agenst it, and some in the middle. calvert was for it, desmonds in the middle, and coopers agenst it. these three are just bit players to. theirs still the bigger players like those from 31, house and most likely enclave to. really makes you think just what they have been doing
vault tech HQ is in fallout 3 completely destroyed
It’s Vault 0. Fallout Tactics enjoyers will know what I’m talking about. It was the one and only “Command Vault” meant to cleanse the Wasteland of survivors to prevent outside tampering with the Vaukts and ensure the one and only population to resettle is the Vault Dwellers. This plan failed with the Human brains in charge of Vault 0’s robot Army going insane and a Rogue Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel presumably destroying them…however, that new Vault Boy Animation seems to imply that the Calculator is still alive…perhaps the Chicagoan Enclave invaded Vault 0 and repaired the Calculator?
Little does Hank know new vegas has the most dangerous mailman to have ever delivered a parcel.
God I hope we see the courier and he gives the ghoul a run for his money, would be a good way to show off the character to the new audience
@@ezrabraman6437putting the actual player character from one of the games in the show would be incredibly cheesy and stupid lmao
@@RakdosMC yeah, but that’s part of why I want to see it
I think when you cover Cabot House in Fallout 4, you forget his family has been living for 400+ off the serum, Jack could be part of the great game.
He explained why Cabot probably isn’t a player of the game in this video. Did you miss a part or did you comment b4 finishing the video?
@@loraelstad8941 No, Ox covered Lorenzo. He never mentioned Jack Cabot, which is who Wulf was talking about
Yeah, first thing i thought when he mentioned Lorenzo was that Jack is better candidate for great game player.
Also, i only recently played Fallout 4 for first time and did that quest but i haven't picked up on why the raiders attacked Parsons. I remember that some of the personnel ( or logs idk anymore ) mentioned that this raiders are tougher and more organized than usual, that i remember clearly, but either i missed a log or a note where it is explained or i forgot XD
( i mean, if it really is open-ended why they are attacking, it may as well be that a rival of Jack is doing this, knowing Lorenzo is his secret )
This. While lorenzo might not be playing the great game, his family could easily be part of it.
@@DreamskyDanceThey had gotten Intel about the serum. And the reason they ate stronger than usual is because they had taken most of the latest shipment. Hence why you only find one remaining. It's already been used up.
I said it before and I say it again, the secret hank is going for is in the Vault House filled with concrete, House buried what ever his competition hid in there
I like this theory, NV never explained why House thought it was necessary to fill in Vault 21 with concrete after gutting it, unless there was something else to hide.
@@willkraft2809It is explained. House wanted only paying customers in New Vegas, having a vault literally smack dab in the middle of the strip was a horrible idea, if the people didn’t like what he was doing they could just go back underground and seal the vault, he didn’t want his paying customers retreating into the vault. So he filled it with concrete enough that it couldn’t sustain long term sealed life, but not enough that its now a useless waste of space in the middle of the strip.
@willkraft2809 it actually kinda did. House wanted the residents to come out and be part of the New Vegas city - state and work for him. Some wanted to leave, others wanted to remain isolated. He filled in the vault with concrete to prevent people from going back to the vault. Then there's this from one of New Vegas's developers copy and pasted from the fallout wiki
Joshua Sawyer stated that House filled Vault 21 with cement to prevent its former residents from retaking it, only allowing the remaining accessible areas to be used as a limited tourist attraction and small-scale residence after Sarah's request.
@@jvazacas yea what he and I said
@@HamTheBacon
It's still weird how House would render a valuable property such as a Vault to just a mere hotel. He could've used its power source to power Vegas further, maybe used the GECK to make the surrounding land even more habitable, attracting more consumers to Vegas. There could still be something that 21 is hiding that House really didn't want to come to light that could be revealed in season 2.
The House Always Wins.
I wonder if Cooper took the ghoul treatment willingly?
So he could both find his daughter AND hunt down the other Great Game players who urged the world to destruction.
That would be a badass story development
It seems like he is a player. He may have kind of fell into it, but over the years he seems to have picked up a knack for playing it.
His wife may be One off the players, and he her Knight? Cooper wasn't interested until puting the pieces together
Based on how he asks where his family is i assumed that after he caught up with his wife she took Janey with her and left cooper for dead and he ghoulified like any ofther prewar ghouls, the slow painful way.
A part of me thinks the big MT scientist were which is why they kept making weapons post war, before they started losing their grip on reality
House absolutely had the best plan. Not only survive, but keep enough infrastructure running around him, and a full security force, and he didn't have to suffer mental degradation or become a ghoul either.
So why did Vault Tek give Bud a pitiful Roomba-Brain Jar instead of a proper Robobrain Chassis he could use to properly defend the Vault? One Vault had all its dwellers converted into Robobrains so it’s not like they didn’t have the equipment to give him a better body.
well i would say him being the overseer of his buds buds program was maybe not exactly in the intent of vault tec. it might have been his idea, but was he actually the most qualified? the upper echolons of vaulttech, the true leaders might have had different plans and he came up with it himself and this is why he had to scrounge up a robo jar with his own funding. otherwise he might have gotten himself frozen and who knows when thawed again by an ai system or even simply an automated schedule simply as one of the managers.
placing his brain in a jar might have been his own secret plan to ensure that he not only survives the bombs but also lives for more than just a single lifetime in a vault
Because "lol soooo random!" writing. There is no reason for Bud to be this useless. Except one: the writers wrote themselves into a corner. They wanted Norm to visit Vault 31 and learn its serets but he couldn't really do that if Bud would be actually dangerous and competent, right? So, they made him a roomba.
@@user-kd4gb4vj2k You’re probably a butthurt FNV Fanboi so I’m not gonna reward your attitude, but this is somewhat a good criticism. In fact, they could have given Bud an Actual Robobrain Body and still not have Bud Attacked: Just make Bud delusional from Biogel Brain Degradation, to the point where he thinks Norm IS the real V33 Overseer. They could even still make a joke in this version: Bud could list Weapons his Robobrain Body is equipped with and it’s extremely apparent that if he knew Norm wasn’t the V33 Overseer, he would have instantly died. Things like “Brainulizors, Eviscerators, Vivisectors, Evaporators, Mesmotron Blast, and Lobotomizers.”
@@jakespacepiratee3740 well, yes, I am. You can be more considered to listen to such rants from "NV fanbois" because usually our criticism is good. Like this one.
And great idea btw but then wouldn't it be strange how Hank, Betty and other managers are still listening to this madman? I think I would love to see Bud more intelligent instead BUT Norm would try to deceive him. Every method would be great: Norm could appeal to his authority and ego, express a desire to be a part of the control team. Hell, he is the most intelligent Vault Dweller among all others, Bud would love to see how his experiment is going great because Norm is his ideal result. It would be tense because you can't read robobrains like people, so Norm would gamble with his words.
You can see the Vault Tec cost cutting with Bud as an Example
John Caleb Bradberton seems very likely to be part of the Great Game, Nuka World is north of Point Lookout after all.
Alot is north of Maryland 😂
I wonder if vault 21 was one of Robco’s vaults?
Maybe as a back up, if House failed to defend Las Vegas wiping out all residents leading to high levels of destruction maybe vault 21 would be used to repopulate the city and its resources used to rebuild it.
Thats what I've always thought.
No way House would let Vault-tec build a vault in his city without him being in on it.
And a damning piece of evidence is House's attempt to kick everyone out, but then settling on filling in the lower levels with concrete.
Clearly Vault 21 had some sort of connection to House's underground bunker and he didn't want the Vault residences finding it.
I wonder if Desmond was the “Cloak & Dagger” contact that Eddie Winter had, and why they both are now ghouls.
I think Hank is going to New Vegas for that vault that was “filled with concrete”.
I mean, couldn't Nate/Nora be unwitting participants in the great game now also? While they had no real standing at the start, they're a pre-war survivor who rises to potential great power in the Boston area. Minuteman General? Institute Director? Raider Overboss? (BoS and Railroad routes I'd say are lesser impact as BoS you're just a high ranking soldier at the end, and Railroad's goals are pretty small) Even though they never planned it, they have rose to power that could threaten other pre-war interests.
This is how I’ve personally always seen it, rather by coincidence or predetermined manipulation. I definitely think Nate/Nora were pre-selected by Vault Tec through their background to be apart of Vault 111, which most likely was also in kahoots with the Institute’s predecessors which were combined of brilliant minds.
They also meet Bradurton, essentially inheriting Nuka Cola and have the potential to reinstate Vault 88. So they claimed a lot of power over the Commonwealth by endgame.
By all means, I’d absolutely say they could even be considered for presidency as they practically re-establish an entire economy from trading, housing, manufacturing, and gatekeeping industrial weapons like Nuka Quantum, Hallucinogens, and Alien weaponry. While backing Nuka World raiders, mitigating Far Harbor’s crisis and stomping the Cold War. They qualify moreso then any other survivor in my opinion.
Actually, the Great Game refers to business, capitalist and the competition to win. Its not just a Fallout reference.
Right, pretty sure Bud even says before the war “ the game of capitalism” ..if there are any connections to the fallout 3 dlc, they’re very loosely connected
Lorenzo could not participate in the Great Game, but Jack Cabot certainly could have. And Jack (if he survives) is also Mojave bound.
But, if you side with him & kill his father, Lorenzo, it means Jack & family will run out of the life preserving serum made from Lorenzo’s blood. Would they be in any shape to play the game? He didn’t seem to have any political or corporate interest or influence & always stayed close to keep an eye on Lorenzo. Would they deteriorate quickly, slowly since they might’ve had serum left or just start aging normally from that point? I can’t remember. Been awhile since I did that questline. I think Jack started taking the serum to live as long as his dad to safeguard him and make sure he wasn’t unleashed on the world, even after the apocalypse. However, they became a bit spoiled and possibly somewhat warped under its continued use. But, I don’t feel it was to the point that Jack would then decide to get involved with the Great Game afterward. And, if you side with Lorenzo, he kills his family & there is no Jack. So, it depends too much on player choice, live or die, for the devs to include Jack as one of the Great Game players. You never want to leave out the fan base that made the opposite choice.
@@loraelstad8941 remember, Emogene mentions that someone named "Robert" gave her advance warning of the bombs dropping. Could have been Robert House, maybe not, but the family definitely had connections.
Jack is heading for a dig site in the Mojave that supposedly contains alien tech similar to the alien device that corrupted Lorenzo. He could be going there just to look for life extending tech, but he could be doing that because he and his sister are now physically weaker and will be vulnerable if directly assaulted. Yes, Cabot House is well protected, but that level of protection only keeps out the average riffraff. Jack is most likely seeking a replacement for the serum so that the kind of people who can easily bypass the defenses at Cabot House, would find some nasty surprises waiting for them inside.
A cool idea for season 2 would be to introduce Eddie winters into the Cooper flashbacks, having been hired by vault tec to make whistle-blowers disappear, where he ends up finding out about their plans. Maybe he learns it from Cooper, who he let's walk free and runs back to Boston before the bombs drop.
Lol fan fiction? No thanks
No, Eddie was way too small time for that. And besides, Coopper knew of Vault-Tec's plans by bugging his wife's Pip-boy, remember?
@matthewmcshane399
What a great idea! I got the next part.
And that's where Cooper was heading to when the bombs fell. To ask Eddie for place in his shelter. As their reunion the both kissed and made love in nuclear fallout hence they both ghouls. Then they lived happily together for many years Eddie, Cooper and Cooper's daughter.
Oh, what a great screenwriters we could be, you and me!
@@xxantosixx91 I hope you are joking. That's the worst thing I've heard today.
@@lordmordic8437 Obviously i'm not. You dare to critique my creativity?!
So here's the methods of surviving and playing the Great Game that they listed, and if we actually see anyone using that method:
FEV❌ Who? Was some prewar guy going to become The Master but in a more controlled way before the bombs?
Cryogenics✅ Very popular, most of Vault Tec and early Enclave seem to have chosen this. Vault 111 appears to have been an different experiment considering how prevalent these were prior to the war.
AI uplift✅ The Calculator I guess?
Gene-cloning❌ Could this have been Garry?
Ghoulification✅ One Great Game player, one scumbag Mobster and one Hancock.
*Robert House, Bud, the Think Tank and Prof. Calbert* are all using an unlisted method - Cybernetic life support. Mr. House is using the most noninvasive method we've seen so far but either it's not working well, or the postwar hibernation did some damage to him.
Not to forget the institute. They experimented with mind transfer into early synths before the war. Nick valentine and dima for instance. I‘m wondering who was responsible for these experiments and what they did with this technology in the early days of the transition from MIT to the institute.
@@Pardua True. The Institute had early stated goals of transhumanism and life extension through cybernetics and transference. Only the last few Directors have deviated from this, with Shawn shutting down the last of it within living memory as some of the scientists hope to resume that avenue of research in order to take advantage of it themselves.
The enclave were gonna wipe out everyone else with the fev
Why would Hank MacLean be part of a "rich and powerful" class? He is a mid level executive, fresh out of college.
He wouldn't have been pre-war, but Bud literally could not shut up about his plans. I have no doubt that pretty much everyone in Bud's Buds ended up with at least partial knowledge of the bigger picture. Hank got his power after being thawed out. He ran 33, and clearly had the means to destroy Shady Sands (aka the competition). At the point of the end of season 1, he's probably the most powerful member of Bud's Buds and hence the representative for the diminished Roomba Bud.
@@stevedoredandyfunk3032 I don't see why anyone would intentionally breed middle manager yes men, then not keep them in the dark. But, Bud Askins is clearly supposed to be a bit clownish and not the best decision maker, so you could be right that he spilled the beans at some point, and that is why Hank knows to go see Mr. House.
Hank gaining some sort of power in Vault-Tec after the fact, is beside the point. The rich and powerful are not in Vault 31, and Hank was.
I could not disagree more, than any of Bud's Buds are powerful or important, in any way. These are executive assistants. They are glorified secretarial staff. Their whole purpose of existence, is to be there to do the bidding of the powerful, not join them.
@@Tijuanabill he wasn't breeding middle management. He made it clear that he was recruiting people to literally run humanity and civilization. The Buds and their descendants were going to be the ones at the top of the chain
@@stevedoredandyfunk3032 I'm sorry but, no. You are confused. He calls them his children; they are junior executives. Betty was a secretary. Hank was picking up Barb's dry cleaning. These are not people running things. I'm sorry but, you just have completely misunderstood what you watched.
Simple answer? Bud is competing with "time". More subordinates controlling the vaults= more time in the great game?.
Desmond is an interesting character. I wish we could see more of him in the future.
I recently binged the entire season 1, you were correct, it was beyond awesome. Can't wait for season 2. Keep up the good work brother Ox.
You can really tell that, like he said, the Creators favorite Fallout game is Fallout 3, as despite taking place in California, the Show draws inspiration from story events in Fallout 3 more than anything: A functioning Vault society, a prominent Vault Dweller having a mysterious past outside the Vault and being forced to leave, their child has to track them down, the Enclave is involved (although in the show they have a much smaller role), the Show expands on the “Vault Tek dropped the Bombs” theory which started with Fallout 3 after players noticed a symbol resembling Vault Tek on Megatons Bomb, the Brotherhood is after a piece of technology which will grant them supremacy in the region, the Great Game first mentioned in Point Lookout is elaborated…any else I missed?
Disagree. I think season 1 focused on events related to Fallout 3 because that is the start of the modern 3D franchise. I predict Season 2 will focus on events related to New Vegas and Season 3 on events related to Fallout 4.
I think it's Highlander reference
I do hope that the Great Game is explored in more detail in this series.
I sided with the NCR in New Vegas, but I do hope House is alive in the show.
He won’t be the same person that so brilliantly portrayed him in New Vegas, but nonetheless, he is such an excellent character in the world of Fallout.
"The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell has similar themes.
I think the eddie winter idea is way more likely than you think. He says his friend is like a government agent or something like that that tipped him off to the bombs. Said friend may have also given him a lead on a scientist with the ghoul idea. My thought is desmond is the guy who tipped off winter and winter is the guy desmond went off to kill for the great game (and possibly to get revenge for stealing his idea)
Cooper said in ep.1, I do this shtt for the love of the game.
When Hank is looking across the desert to New Vegas, there are groups of buildings in the foreground that I think are significant. The one on the left is Goodsprings I think, but I can’t place the others. I bet these represent the areas the characters visit in S2.
My favorite player in The Great Game is Mr. House. He is a genius, and I think his way of preserving himself while still maintaining a vast influence in Las Vegas over 200 years after the bombs dropped is just awe-inspiring.
what about Cooper Howard? He knew the bombs are coming, he knew about the great game, maybe he intentionally turned himself into a ghoul to seek revenge.. and win the Great Game.
The Cabots could've been the ones who distributed Lorenzo's blood to high-status individuals looking to outlive the bombs.
This is for sure my favorite hidden Fallout lore. I'd love a book series detailing some of the clandestine Great Game moves.
I hope the Lucky 38's Laser Canon isn't able to point towards ground targets.
As far as Desmonds target go, I think the Institute could count. Granted, none of them is immortal or prewar (aside of the Lone Survivor), but it is a powerful organization of the old world with a lot of enemies likely from back then also. Besides, them being so advanced and secretive Desmond might well assume someone from there to be one his rivals.
Do you think McLane might meet Yes Man?
I think it would be interesting if siding with Yes Man is canon we'll just have to wait and see what season 2 has to offer and if it explains what is canon in fallout: New Vegas.
if you turn on subtitles, or see the ending credits, his name is "brain on a Roomba" and it made me love this show even more!
I have to say that House certainly had the most power out of the known players of the great game. An entire pre-war CBD, three families under dubious control, potentially an entire army of Mk. 2 securitrons. They wouldn’t have much trouble handling the destroyer of Shady Sands.
Point Lookout...
I always chose to side with Desmond by the way.
Being cryogenically frozen seemed like it would have been the best way to survive. Assuming your vault wasn’t breached and your son not kidnapped
Does this mean that the robobrain elites found in Far Harbor were also playing a miniature version of the Great Game? It would seem that their game was smaller, but eventually ended in one brain killing the other. Maybe I’m just not remembering that part of the DLC that well and it might have just been a Vault Tec experiment but idk, I like to think these rich idiot robobrains were also engaged in their own small Great Game
It may not be Lorenzo Cabot, but his son, because he's a pre-war scientist
I’m so happy and grateful you’re making videos on the show oxhorn, thank you for being an amazing creator and all you do!!
A lost opportunity not reintroducing Desmond with a new rival in Fallout four. Far Harbor would have been a good place for one.
Ox, I wonder if Desmonds method of deliberatly becoming a Ghoul was leaked to someone like crime boss Eddie Winters. Winters may have had some connections who knew of the Vault Tec plan and a process that could allow him to survive. Also, if cloning was meant to be a viable method of survival, maybe the original Gary was meant to be a player in The Great Game but it went wrong.Just a few notions.
If they bring back my favorite character, Desmond, I’m going to scream, I’ve been wanting more of Desmond’s story since Point Lookout was released, horrifically slept on character
16:44 “What’s north of Maryland? Well a lot” 😂😂 I know Ox is matter of fact here but this made me chuckle 🤭
10:18 The great game: "Nanana nana, I've got better brain-picking juice than you!"
200 years later, a person living an a swamp one ups them and
makes moonshine out of discarded batteries and mutated swamp-fruit.
I’m really glad that they are exploring the “great game” more in fallout. It’s one of my favorite story’s and point lookout is my favorite Dlc
The fun part of a Great Game is the Player who no one else knew was playing.
The Ghoul has a part to play in that very game, without even being told the Rules.
Weird! I haven't played Point Lookout for years and I just met Desmond in game today! Small wasteland!
_The Great Game_ is likely why we don't have a definitive answer on who dropped the bombs first.
I've always thought that whoever dropped a bomb first, did so in an attempt to give themselves an advantage in _the great game._
It's been my favorite thing to ponder about Fallout ever since playing Fallout 3 and meeting Desmond Lockhart.
21:54 what about John Caleb Bradburton? He knew about life-extending tech, powerful billionaire, genius, and also connected to vault tech. And he was located north of point lookout, just outside of the Boston area. Perhaps Desmond couldn’t get to him because of how well defended his personal sanctuary was and of course, the endless raiders in his way.
What about Sinclair or Dean Domino from the Sierra Madre?
Sinclair had a good business relationship with Big MT before the war who provided a lot of the technology you see at the casino like the holograms, the hazmat suits and the cloud gas.
Perhaps through them he learned that the apocalypse was inevitable.
Although he mainly built the casino for Vera, I think he also tried to use as a way to make his own survival strategy with all the invincible security guards and countless security systems like the one inside the vault.
Of course he died right as the bombs fell, and there’s not much else we can learn about Sinclair, so it’s just a guess.
Another name that comes to mind is Dean Domino, before the war he was also very influential in the music industry, but also various construction and medical companies.
We also know that he held a long grudge against Sinclair, and maybe that was his reason to participate in the great game, and his strategy was to rob the casino with Vera, and likely take it over.
Sinclair found out however, and turned the vault into a deathtrap. Then when the bombs dropped the holograms started to kill everyone and the gas flooded the villa, but Dean also turned into a ghoul.
Perhaps that was his plan B to survive the apocalypse.
Though this is just a guess on my side, and perhaps I missed a lot that could disprove this.
But if anyone likes this idea, just let me know.
I think bud was referring to “the great game of capitalism” (his words in the finale episode at the round table)
I think that the canonical ending of Fallout New Vegas is already established, because one of the producers of the Fallout show, Graham Wagner, already revealed that Mr. Robert House will appear in the second season. I believe that´s why the NCR is weak in the Fallout show, because Mr. House took control of everything.
You mentioned Lorenzo but we can rightfully strike him off due to already having been hidden forever, JACK Cabot however, entirely plausible. He has many hired guns under his payroll, and not open to giving information out that isn't directly relevant to what's happening at the moment. We have no way of telling how many players he could have eliminated.
Why didn't Bud just cryogenically froze himself?
I’d like to see Cooper become a kind of destroying angel born out of vengeance for his family. It be fitting for a “new player” join the great game and become a monkey wrench. I think it’d fit well into his character.
Gotta say there might be something to this. In 76’s new update there’s a terminal belonging to dr Stolz’s wife in vault 63’s overseer’s office mentioning prof. Calvert and Desmond in it. It’s just a unfinished thank you note to Calvert and it mentions a discussion they had at an event the three of them at and how Calvert tampered with Desmond invite. Or long those lines there might be a bit more I forgotten. Free to look for yourself.
I wonder if the Biomed Gel, that gives the Robobrains some null telepathic power; is a derivative of the Alien Biogel found in Mothership Zeta. It works not only as a healing item, but it can give random effects. Although in F3 they show as either SPECIAL boosts, or negative effects, it seems reasonable to assume that this is just a limitation of the games engine.
So, somehow Robco and General Atomics get hold of Alien Biogel and used it as a basis for the Biomed Gel for Robobrains. The healing affect works as a long-term preservative for the brains, meanwhile the altering affect (from being design to work on alien lifeforms, not human) can either deteriorate the brain, or even give them some unexpected powers, such as telepathy??
Great Game Lore is one of the most intriguing thing to me about FO lore im glad they touched more upon it who else you guys think are apart of it
Wasn´t there a shadowy figure in the backround at the Vault-Tec meeting, in which they decided to nuke everything? Could it be Desmond? Or someone other, playing the Great Game?
I think Hank is going to the lower levels of vault 21 that mr House sealed with concrete. I think that’s where the vault tec top executives are.
Oh my god! Desmond and ghouls like him could’ve taken that experimental chem that Hancock took in Fallout 4. Would make sense it was very rare as it was a guaranteed ghoulification drug
at the end about hank i disagree, i dont see a reason for him to suddenly start hunting for house which he could have started doing at anytime, he might be instructed to since he is one of the pawns of bud askins but there are more of those who all stay in the vault. But he might have learned of the great game and is in search for answers and probs figured out that house is one of the players and wants to know more, is my guess... depending on which ending for house is canon i wonder what will be found there.
I know you don't do speculation videos Ox and you did address this slightly when I brought it up during the livestream, but after rewatching the show to make these videos, I'm wondering if your opinion has changed.
The Enclave is Vault-Tec...kinda.
Fallout 76: The show decides to call Vault-Tec "Management." In Fallout 76, when they added expeditions, they added an NPC named Orlando in the Whitespring Refuge who states that the refuge is being supplied by management. Management, according to Orlando, is "the owners of the Whitespring." As we know, the Whitespring is owned by the Enclave post war. The Enclave consists only of MODUS (Mr. Otis, according to Orlando) and player characters at the time.
Fallout 3: John Henry Eden is a ZAX AI unit. ZAX units were created by Vault-Tec. Eden's plan is to eradicate everyone on the surface. The same plan that Vault-Tec pitched during the show. They may have programed this into every unit they created and sent out to the government.
Show: Then, there is Wilzig. I haven't rewatched the show, but he knew so much about Lucy. About Vaults.
Fallout 1: I don't remember everything about Fallout 1, but I don't believe they had a computer like ZAX or MODUS. It could be that after building the bunker under the Whitespring, that US government decided that Vault-Tec couldn't be trusted and that's why they decided to go with an oil rig.
In the end, I don't think the entirety of the Enclave is part of Vault-Tec. However, the show introducing them as the big bad and specifically calling them "Management" after Bethesda decided to call The Enclave "Management" just seems to much like a coincidence. The show was announced in 2020 and expeditions were announced in 2021. I don't know how much communication goes on and yes it could be an oversite, but it's canon now (yes to those of you who don't like it, Fallout 76 is canon). So, that's my way of explaining it.
I totally missed this when i watched the show. To be fair i wasn’t sure we’d ever hear of the Great game again seeing how long it’s been since it was mentioned in said dlc.
The Great Game, pre fallout show is an entirely different story than the one introduced in the show.
The fallout show is very clearly talking about competition with other businesses to control the post-war world. The Great Game pre-show was about spies and intel operatives continuing feuds from before the war despite the death of the countries they had started their fight for.
This is what I always thought.
personally I think the nuka cola ceo could be a good candidate for the great game, himself being a rich ceo who managed to live way past the bombs due to technology, even if its in a... well a not very pleasant way. And the reason he hasn't gone after anyone should be pretty obvious, and the reason no one has gone after him should be too, hes not exactly a threat being a frozen head and all
I felt so bad for him, i had no problem putting him out of his misery lol, staring at a wall for 200 years
2:20 the way they glitch into the room
cooper howard is an unwilling participant, or maybe he IS willing, because after he learned what the plan was, im sure he told moldaver and then she proceeded to be a player, the only thing is how tf did she preserve herself? im assuming cryo since shes definitely not a ghoul
I am wondering if anyone else noted that the first explosion in S1.E1. was very likely a subterranean detonation (no immediate flash, and a delayed mushroom plume).
Also - regarding the Great game: flash backs of 'Highlander' are coming to mind.
Oxhorn - man, thank you for helping fans like me, that struggle to weave these things together.
Bethesda,beluga,BILLY?!BUDS BUDS?????!!!!! its all connecting
Holy heck! I forgot about that part of the dlc, but a very good point about this great game. Simply good competition to push the world forward
I think the great game is just them saying “if the bombs drop we kill eachother until the strongest guy gets the planet.” We see that Sinclair and House had similar ideas. Hell it seems everyone was waiting on some mcguffin of the 23rd of October
I missed that reference in the TV show. Good catch and thank you for the video!
90% sure that Calvert got into Desmond's fail safe perhapsing a tribal to do it thinking it would kill him
Moldaver was in vault 31 and was cryogenically frozen and was unfrozen to be assisant overseer but rose conviced her to explore the world beyond the vaults and moldaver was inspired by the ncr and shady sands until hank nuked shady sands, when she left however betty was released
That makes zero sense. Vault tec bought her companies and inventions from her and took over her work, she was not affiliated with vault tec, meaning there would be no reason for her to be in vault 31.
The Great Game is my favorite story told in the Fallout universe. It seems so mysterious and important! I love that there are these highly intelligent and high ranking individuals from before the war all trying to outlive one another so that they may have free control of parts or the entirety of the Wasteland. Its the ultimate power struggle and now thinking about it the Fallout show is a perfect avenue to showcase more about the Great Game and its illusive players!
Mr Oxhorn you should do a video on Cooper Howard and the Ghoul a profile on him.
I think he will, he did Lucy and Maximus I'm sure he'll probably do Cooper Howard/the ghoul.
He’s probably waiting until we know more about him, likely in Season 2, since we don’t know all that much yet on how he became the Ghoul from his previous Cooper human self. With Maximus & Lucy there was enough to get started on their profiles.
Winters & Calbot had nothing to do with it.... the reference of "The Great Game" was always about the Rich Elite.... many media have made reference to "The Ultimate Game", where Rich people kidnapped regular people, and Hunt them down. So for Fallout, this was the Experiments in the Vaults... obviously, many achieve different forms of Immortality... from Super Mutants, to Ghoul, to Brains, and A.I. like Robco... or even the Creatures in Vault 8.
I think Desmond was referring to this, because he was a Spy... he would have known who the other Important Players were
Lorenzo is probably not playing, but what about his son Jack? Excentric scientist, has a lot of resources and a paramilitary mercenary milicia, doesn't seen to be hunting anyone, but might be because of the current problems he is having.
Oxhorn should be cast as a Brotherhood Quartermaster, if it's Vegas, Mick or Ralph.
Eddy Winter is not apart of Desmond’s great game. There’s a reason Eddy knew about the bombs and turn himself into a ghoul like Desmond. It’s because Desmond was the cloak and digger friend Eddy was talking about
I'd say mister house has won. Dude's got an entire city that's remained largely operational and has a robot army. Of the people we can argue as "playing the great game" I'd say he's the winner.
Also the brotherhood are definitely a "great game" effort. Even if they aren't directly controlled by someone playing it directly. They're something of a catch mechanism, they're "gather, use and control pre-war tech" is exactly what you need to stabley move forward without ANOTHER brand of apocalypse breaking out (think the Garyes escaping containment and out competing the rest of humanity)
I can't wait for Season 2, thanks to you Oxhorn! Now I understand so much of this universe even though I've never played any of the games 👍
House was playing thats why he cemented the vault vault 11
I bet Gary was a player too and I think he is the true winner.
The greatest player 😂😂😂