Most marriages today follow this pattern: 1) Woman reaches epiphany stage. 2) She settles for good-provider-guy. 3) She has the number of kids she wants (which may include cuckolding if she's unsatisfied with good-provider-guy's genes). 4) Once kids reach age where she has more freedom (could be preschool, kindergarten, or even earlier if she has family or other built-in babysitters), she realizes she settled for good-provider-guy and, knowing she has him on the hook for child support (and possibly alimony), she files for divorce. 5) Marriage ends, nuclear family destroyed, good-provider-guy left paying child-support/alimony while getting limited access to kids, and woman re-enters dating market trying to bag man of her dreams.
6. Kids reach teenage years in fatherless home. Mother tries to befriend daughters and sons rather than parent them. Children lack emotional control, perform poorly in school 7. Wife brings in live-in boyfriend, who makes sexual advances on daughter. Abuses and threatens son. 8. Ex wife mishandled spousal and child support payments. Money goes to leased Lexus and Hawaii trip, not shoes, clothes, medicines, school supplies 9. Ex husband has zero control or influence over disaster unfolding in that house and to his own kids, who have learned to hate his guts because mom said so.
I was married to a Jehovah's Witness who do not believe in divorce unless one mate is unfaithful, there was a thought in my mind, that she would be better mate than most women are today, she used the religion against me like a weapon, then she cheated, divorced me and became unreligious really really fast
a faithful one wouldnt married anyone outside the faith, you had a bad apple, and she was kicked out of the religion due to her bad attitude , she didnt leave it....
Woman: "Let's get married! You don't want to die alone, do you?" Man: "The divorce rate is 50% after 5 years that 80% of women initiate. Pair that along with unfair law/family court bias and alimony grape. I have to say no." Woman: "You're going to die alone loser!" Man: "My investment accounts, paid-off home and garage toys will keep me company."
Bro I like this girl at work she looks innocent but prolly isn’t I’ll try to see if she has some good qualities btw what are some good qualities should females have.
It kind of goes back to your saying, "Women should be a complement to your life, not the focus" In a religious view God should be the focus of your life, not women; but when you've got a congregation that's conflating women as God or saying "live sacrificial for women" I hope your red flags are going off. Appreciate your work
Legit married the “girl of my dreams” 2 years ago. As soon has she got a big raise at work she decided to go rent her own 1 bedroom apartment. Guys! Always put yourself first in today’s world. They will do nothing but leech and leave you the second they can get ahead.
I’ve never seen God represent anyone in divorce court or pay an alimony nor child support payment. Remain on your purpose gentleman and proceed accordingly….
Okay well don’t you think divorce is necessary? If the man I am with father didn’t divorce the woman he was with the guy I’m seeing wouldn’t have been born. 🤷♀️
@@rogerthornhill1491 most of these channels talk about how marriage isn’t worth it, because of the woman. So it’s the man’s fault for getting involved. He asked her to marry him, so if she betrays/leaves him, it’s his fault. Most guys don’t know how to vet women anyway, so why blame them.
I refuse to be a female's beta provider. Ladies, stop marrying men you don't like and save us both the trouble. You want Chad go get him I will not be your 6th choice
The brother nailed it. Men stop going to church after they get divorced because they feel betrayed by God demand they be married. My former church is full of feminist which including the pastor is 95% women. Their husbands fled.
Correct and then they decide which cannon law is mandatory and which is optional and they even reinvent interpretation of the Bible to suit their conflicting f,and,ist ideology.
Why do you go there then? That church sounds awful and I’m a woman. Lol! That’s why I like that men lead. More men need to lead that’s the way it should go. Woman shouldn’t be feminist
C’mon guys! Man up! Get married! What could possibly go wrong?! C’mon now. It won’t happen to you! Seriously, in most jurisdictions marriage is a terrible gamble for any ambitious and/or successful person. You can still have terrific intimate relationships without inviting state law into your financial and familial affairs. p.s. Read The Unplugged Alpha by Richard Cooper. Let the concepts in the book marinate in your mind. Ask questions. Go down the rabbit hole about divorce and child custody laws in your jurisdiction.Then decide if you want to enter the “bonds of holy matrimony” or have children.
I think the problem is men and women,having multiple sex partners,drugs,alcohol,before marriage doesn't help marriages.been together since 2001 got married this year. I'm not wealthy neither is my wife and I love her,she's a good wife.
What is the real shame is fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins don't tell bachelors the real truth about marriage, and they allow them to trot right into the slaughterhouse of contractual marriage. Instead, they keep quiet while new grooms live in confusion. I also blame the same people for some of the same suicides related to failed marriages. If these men knew what they were truly getting in to, they wouldn't have taken their breakups as bad as they did. I won't do that with my son, I will fill him in on everything before he even thinks about taking the dive.
@@vinnievu1 The first 5 chapters of Proverbs is all redpilling n tons more gems in the rest of it. God must be front n center above all else for a young man.
You get the same benefits out of a relationship as you would in marriage if your female is down enough for you! She will never force you to marry if she’s also aware of the unjust dynamic “marriage” comes with. Females only want a >>>wedding
@@ARTDEVGRU247 hi Before the gov stepped in, all marriages (in every nation) was without papers. Many people still do their traditional marriages without the state. (It's a choice) Not so common in the West
Thanks Rollo for explaining what I went through. I was a Catholic, but it help me not, expect for increasing my existential angst. Good luck to all the males. MGTOW is the only creed for me now.
After divorce my advice to young men: If you're stupid enough to get married don't work harder than your Wife. Don't work multiple jobs/ more hours than her to make ends meet. It will come back on you in Domestic Relations/ Family Court 10 fold. Your hard work will come back against you BIG TIME! I lived it here in Pennsylvania recently.
that's why they want men to pay all the bills these days. it's a narrative being pushed amongst women today, but it's all a strategy so when the marriage fail, she'll get spousal support/alimony and the court will say: she gave her life up to follow you and now you have to pay up.
My parents are married. Both make equally up to 500k plus a year each. My mom met my dad 25 years ago when he was poor. She stayed and leveled up with him together. Why can’t I just do that? I am not going to marry the first girl I find as my dad has taught me to vet carefully and find a ride or die. My parents marriage gives me hope.
Listen to your dad... vet very very carefully and for a few years before signing a legal contract with someone who gets financially rewarded for breaking it
@@alex-p my mom also tells me the same thing too. She actually yells at me and says be careful out there with these “whores”. She’s like all it takes is one to ruin your life. She’s very conservative.
Well it's not exactly random. As is clear, most men aren't in their purpose space. Men who are in their purpose, constantly improving, but also don't make the mistake of thinking they can be selfish and wrap their whole lives around themselves and expect their women to wrap her life around them, men who will do that won't end up divorced as much. Talkless of the fact that it is possible to find traditional women
Not getting married is like a man missing out on buying the last ticket on the Titanic. That's right that romantic 'Titanic' movie, you know the one where almost every man dies.
When people ask me why you're not married yet ( 30y old ) I always say " why would I bring the government in my private life " and they just have this stunned look lol 😅 it works because they don't ask further lol
When people ask me that question I tell them if they can find me a good looking woman that's not a big fat cow that doesn't have kids and hasn't been divorced.... I'll think about it.
marriage now is like signing a contract where women can easily get out of it and get rewarded by doing so... marriage is a contract that both men and women needs to abide, not only men who needs to put in the work but women as well
From a physiological perspective, the more partners a woman has, the less likely she's able to pair-bond effectively. It has to do with reduced levels of Oxytocin being produced by the physical interaction. In short... the higher the bodycount she has... the lower the chances of her being/remaining loyal to you.
Really, there is official science proving this theory of pair-bonding? Also, most women don’t actually orgasm at all with the men they sleep with, so no release of oxytocin.
@@Someone-gj3go no some loser she knew in highschool,, 2 year's after she left she was killed chasing him down rt24 hit a truck headon and killed her and 3 years after that he died on my birthday July 4 th,,, last thing she said to me a month before her death was she knows she's going to hell for what she did to me and our children, karma are God I'll never know maybe there the same, l just know I was always good to her,, then I was in a 13 year relationship with another Christian woman and the last 6 years raised and loved 2 of her sons kids and when I wouldn't agree to raise 2 more she left and never let me see the kids again,, she's still in the church we attended and I left.
I was there refused to divorce for years because of religious beliefs, feelings of betrayal from family and church. Glad I found the red pill pushed past all that and did the divorce best fucking decision of my life. Life is exponentially better and free and I went from dreading going home every day to an abundance of girls much younger excited about being with me.
There was this really attractive married lady at my work. She was very religious and conservative and homeschooled her children. One day she tried to grab my chest. Even those women cannot be trusted nowadays.........
Can’t even begin to tell you how many people I know that are divorced. It’s absolutely ridiculous! And people still sign up! Will never understand. Enjoy your life, cheers!
Think about it ... you marry a woman that is allegedly "equal" to you. But when you get a divorce, the resources ONLY flow in one direction. You have to give her your hard earned money, but she doesn't have to give you anything in return. She's out of the marriage, but you are still in it from a distance and through government coercion.
Sad to say, this episode describes my history very well. I married a girl who pretended to have like minded religious beliefs and I thought I was insulated from common divorce statistics. After three kids, she took her false mask off and worshiped at the alter of Oprah religion, where you observe the parts you like and discard the rest. She began cheating, then used the law against me to divorce and guarantee herself a long time fixed income and retirement benefits from my salary and retirement. Religion/faith didn't save me from this and I am no longer a participant, just an observer.
Marriage for a healthy person (man and women) is a cherry on top! it’s a complement to their already happy life. if you’re having mental issues, you grew up in dysfunctional family just don’t even think about marriage till you’re already in a path of healthy life for years!
In my culture older marriaged guys want to force unmarried men of the family because they don’t want to see the sheer freedom and happiness of younger, they’re envious!😂
I agree. That's why you don't get married after 6 months of knowing the person. Get married after 2 years. And know how they are and how they behave. Know the woman you're marrying. And the woman needs to know the man she is marrying.
I think there a lot of factors that seems to be snowballing divorce and men that don't want to get married. Some of the main reasons are parents that both work and let social media, friends, Hollywood, feminism and "Progressive" schools teach and raise their kids. Life has become subjective not objective.
When I was in law school and we were starting Partnership Law, the Professor introduced the concept of OGW. Other guys wife. You were taking on the added risk of the consequences to you of his wife filing for divorce in a no-fault, community property jurisdiction.
Wow! No that’s real scary second level thinking! Your business partner who you depend on could be wiped out. And in so doing put you in financial jeopardy! Not a happy thought!
@@rogerthornhill1491 worse than that, you might be forced, to pay out your own capital to buy half your partner's share so his ex-wife can cash in her share of the 'family' assets. Or worse yet have a vested interest in how the partnership operates.
@@jodywhitehead9173 Jesus Jody! I’ll tell you what you’ve managed to achieve, scaring the shit out of me! I’m no longer running my business in partnership form. He was bought out years ago. But my brother is, and just between you me and the rest of the world, his partners wife is bat shit crazy and right at that point in her life where she’s likely you to make that type of decision. I’m wondering how I’m gonna tell him what type of contractual dangers he’s possibly in??
@@rogerthornhill1491 this info is based on the law of the Province of British Columbia circa 1980. You need to talk to a local lawyer. There are other forms of setting up a business, privately held Corp, limited liability partnership etc. The biggest problem will be whether changing the form of business to protect him would be construed as harming the wife's already established interests.
Marriage would be a more palatable contract if we made the following changes: 1. Require a jury trial for divorces, which we should be doing because of the 7th Amendment. 2. The non-initiator of a no fault divorce gets all of the jointly owned property and a minimum 50% custody of any children. 3. A DNA paternity test should be required for every child at birth before any man is declared to be the father. We should sell this as we have to be certain the child is not being kidnapped from his/her biological father.
One partner can sabotage a marriage and drive the other to want a divorce. Just stipulating non-initiator does not identify the party that actually wanted to honour the marriage.
@@markaurelius61 If the sabotage is a recognized fault like abuse or adultery, the aggrieved party can file on those grounds. It would be up to the jury to determine if there is sufficient evidence to prove the fault. If there are other faults that should be included they should be included in law.
Kevin Samuels has it right IMO. Marriage is a good idea for women. It’s a wise, short and long term play for them. The benefits inured by women from marriage and family far outweigh the risks and opportunity costs. For men marriage is now a terrible play, short or long term, and the opportunity costs legally, financially and also sexually are so prohibitively high as to be absurd. The only reason for men to marry is to have children, but even then men have zero assurances of paternity and zero marital authority or child raising authority. All downside. The more obvious issue is even if marriage were worth it, men still have to choose between fat girls, single moms and SSRI patients, all of them done being feminine and fun and harboring the attitude they are reluctantly going to “settle” on him. It’s so damning, women have no retort anymore, other than insults because they know you are correct. Dalrock was correct in 2011. Christian conservatives are Gilligan’s when it comes to single mothers and slut shaming
There is more to it.. For example, The Bible warns very heavily against marrying a non-virgin women. Also the chapter/book of Proverbs speaks extensively on how to vet a woman using character/values, her community, lifestyle and sustained reputation.. Using this alone, most women in the US are not marriage material. The Bible also describes what to expect from women who “belongs to the streets” (Harlot or Jezebel women). It’s a text book definition of the culture we are experiencing today..
That was a really interesting and challenging discussion. Note how the disciples responded to Jesus when he insisted on lifelong matrimony ' " if it's that way between a man and a woman it would be better not to get married". Jesus replied, "not everyone can accept this teaching"..'
Little known fact about the Bible: The part that is used as evidence for why you should get married... And when you pick through the translations and put it into context of what it was at the time of it's writing.... It's really a letter about how a city was running amuck with single mothers and such, due to rampant sexual activities of everyone in that city. The proposed solution was "you should get married because it's like... that persons job to have sex with you." The idea was that married people would provide a home for the children and women, while still maintaining the sex that everyone still wanted. 🤷♂️ So... it isn't that it is against "premarital sex", as much as it's just suggesting that marriage is better for social order and it's socially useful comparatively, to sex without marriage.
Oh wow and links to sources on this I’d like to research. I know in the Torah, that the punishment for adultery is death, but sex with a virgin was a fine (before marriage)
@@RedDevilStudio sources? Lol, it's called Bible research. I was a youth director for a few years, my best friend is a pastor, I'm an autodidact and theologian, and one of my majors was in history (basically meta-research). Studying the Bible and researching history/languages etc is kind of one of my things, lol. But, it's pretty easy to figure out. Just read about 4 or 5 different versions and translations of the verses I'm talking about within the Bible. 🤷 I can't remember off hand, maybe it was either Peter or Luke, but it was a letter written to a church within a city that was having some trouble. And if you read closely, he basically says, since everyone's having sex, just start getting married. It's good that a man and a woman should get married. Now, people just trying to prove what they already believe as their cultural beliefs, rather than actual religious beliefs, they'll use that to suggest that marriage should be between a "man and a woman" and should never deviate from that.... People assume that it means that marriage is something that needs to happen and that it must be between 1 man and 1 woman, and never shall you do anything sexual unless you're married. But, all of that is just made up nonsense that somebody interpreted and interposed rather than, what was actually being discussed. What was being talked about was that they had a whole bunch of baby mamas, and nobody knew who the fathers were of what kids, and no one was taking responsibility for their care. And the solution proposed was to start making sure everyone got married. 🤷 Part of the problem with the modern world is that there's a whole bunch of people that really have no idea what the Bible even says, but are willing to quote it as if they do. But I mean, if you're looking for sources, my source is the "Holy Bible". 🤷 I use multiple versions and multiple translations. And I research some of the original languages that they were translated from, along with my best friend translating the Greek etc with me... So....
@@RedDevilStudio another fun fact... Adultery was defined as when a woman stepped out on her husband and had sexual relations with someone she wasn't married to. The only people capable of committing adultery is a married woman and someone that she was not married to having sex with her. A husband cannot commit adultery by that definition, unless he's sleeping with another woman who is married to a different man. 🤷
@@tygon13 I’ve explained this a fair few times and Christians don’t usually get it. Mostly because polygamy was allowed back then and also if your brother died (usually in battle) they’d have to marry their spouse.
@@tygon13 Yeah bro I know the bible , it’s the baby mamas bit (it was Paul btw and the letter was to the Corinthians) but I only know a little about the history of Corinth around that time, so was asking for clarity.
I know a guy who isn't married but pays child support, has no say in when he gets the child, she literally dictates everything to him or threatens to take it to court. She dumps the kid on him when she wants to mess around with a guy and demands him back whenever she gets pumped and dumped. Oh, and to top it off, she has 4 kids to 3 different dads and is only 33 years old. Smokes, drinks, bad attitude, post wall etc etc..
So me and my wife have one car. I'm a truck driver. She begged me to go local because I'm home every 3 weeks and don't want to be by herself. I didn't want to do it because she's always bitching about problems she causes. I went local and literally the first day she complains about how I take the car all day because I work far. I told her what time I need to be at work at 7:30 and that she can't take the car. She then says that she can just drop me off no problem. The next day I drive to work early because if I drive later I will be late. We get to work early and I said I'm waiting until 7:30 to go into work. She gets upset and says how is she suppose to take the kids to work if she leaves my job at 7:30. I told her that I literally told her this yesterday so why is it a issue now. She says we'll I "thought" you would have just came earlier for work and sit there for an hour. Now of course everything is my fault because she decided to change what she agreed to without even telling me
Adding to my thoughts. For me at 50. To even Cohab/Marry. That woman would have to really sell me on it. There is no way I am going to go along with that off the hop. She can't ensnare me with Sex. She has to bring more to my table. My detail list for me is Interesting Conversations and laughs. Doing social and recreational activities. Lots of Physical affection towards me. Space/Flexibility and Focused time together as well. She has to be well groomed and fit.
I think if you both want to get married a prenup is a must. Idc. What anyone says. You need a prenuptial agreement so they don't take your hard earned money. Men don't marry a woman you wouldn't have a kid with.
The main reason why premarital sex in the Bible is considered bad is because sex is supposed to be a reward, and the body of each partner is supposed to be a gift unto the other partner and not freely given to everybody with the heartbeat
'Been through it and got divorced (Not my choice). I still consider myself to have a relationship with God, but I'm not putting myself in that losing proposition to get married again. Still have companionship on my terms.
I believe Rollo dicusses in TRM, women with higher notch count have a difficult time pair bonding. The virginity, no sex before marriage enables that deeper emotional attachment. Also, with a woman / couple more devoted to their religion, they will both risk losing their community/ social network if getting divorced.
Honest question, what should men do if they want to have kids? I want children in the future but the thought of marriage (and divorce) terrifies me. Is adoption a realistic option for a single dad?
There are women in Asia, Thailand and Philippines where you can pay a woman to have your baby and then she signs the rights to you. Just be careful of how that will emotionally affect your kid if mom isn't around.
Whether God actually exists or not, is not relevant. Many (if not most) people who are Christians, do not actually believe God exists, nor that there is a 'man in the Sky'. Why? The Bible is a collection of archetypal truths about men and women, society, strength, honor, family etc, which are hundreds of thousands of years old, and which are essential to the human condition. That is what most Christians believe in. For example: in the Bible Jesus says: ''To those who have everything, more will be given. To those who have nothing, everything will be taken away''. this truth is SO fundamental, it should be taught to children in pre-school. It is the reason why planets orbit the Sun, it is the reason why we cannot get rid of inequality in society, no matter how hard we try. It has even been mathematically proved: as the Pareto Effect. Now, does it matter Whether Jesus actually existed? no. Another example: the Story of Samson: tells basically of how a man loses his manhood and becomes a weak SIMP, if he lets women control him. (Samson is basically the strongest Alpha there is, nobody can beat him nobody can control him. His wife Delilah gets jealous of him and wants to control him, so he lets her get closer to him and she takes advantage of him and cuts off his hair, which is obviously a metaphor for his penis. He then loses his legendary strength and is killed by his enemies). This Biblical story is a fundamental truth about the relationship between men and women, that goes back to the dawn of humanity. P.S. Because these are fundamental Archetypes, they are present in every religion (for example, Hindus have all the same stuff in the Bagvad GIta, which is the equivalent of the bible. The stories of their Gods and their adventures are all about the same thing: strength, bravery, men and women...etc. The Story of Hercules is the same: an example of male bravery and facing your fears. Youre supposed to teach that to your sons. Thats why they exist. So it doesnt really matter which religion you choose! the archetypes are the same. @0:06
Yes, it does matter...A LOT. Jesus died for your sins. Put your faith in what he did on the cross for your sins so that you can live in heaven for eternity. It’s a free gift that God longs for you to receive.
I got into it with a female friend of mine a couple months back over a phone conversation on marriage/divorce. She's single, Asian, mid 50s, does not work, above-average SMV, on the market for what I'd consider to be unsuspecting, vulnerable (lonely) white, middle-aged men of means. On one of her conquests, she was telling me that this guy's x-wife was going after 7 figures as a settlement + over $30K a month in alimony that may have included child support. Although I knew her relationships were transactional, I couldn't hold back my red pill rant, telling her that any man stupid enough to get into a marriage for this very reason deserves to get taken and that no woman is worth that kind of money. Oops. Her reply, "you're just bitter", and "he has assets". She then hung up on me. I texted back, apologizing that I didn't mean to offend her, but that it's frustrating to hear of these men with zero awareness of what they're getting into, then get taken advantage of in the end because the laws are not in their favor when it comes to the family court system and that this expensive learning lesson hopefully instills upon him not to repeat the same stupid mistake again. We haven't talked since, first time in 20 years that she has not called me back regularly. This was not about my friend, but she seems to have taken it as such. How do you read her behavior?
It really comes down to how much you trust women. As a Christian male, I see a lot of my brothers go their own way. Christian women are left lonely because even Christina brothers are scared to marry them. It's so risky and these women have been affected by modern feminism. No woman is really safe to marry. You're playing Russian roulette with a full chamber.
Rollo is such an odd man. He mocks religious people for believing they will “buck the trend because they have God on their side”. What makes Rollo think he’s going to buck the trend? He then goes on to say marriage ‘as it is now’ is an “unconscionable contract”. Again, what makes him think his marriage right now isn’t subject to the same laws!?
This what the bible says on the matter. MGTOW 25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.... 1 Cor 7:25-28
I couldn't get married today in today's climate. Everyone is to involved in people's life's. No thanks. All take peace and tranquility over a H oe any day.
There’s no secret formula but there are a few tips I can give you 1) surround yourself with successful people or people that want to better themselves, it will force you to level up 2) develop a talent and use that to earn your income, this can be anything but you need passion behind it, do what you love. you’ll stand out from the crowd. 3) invest, invest, invest. Especially if you are young. Crypto is the future. 4) minimize debt, and don’t make unnecessary purchases. Basically the more disciplined you are the more money you will make. 5) wake up early, listen to music, podcasts and get a jump start to you day. It really does make a difference. if you’re really serious about getting into the 6 figure club you have to put in the work but the payoff is worth it. I just turned 26 make 120k a year it is possible but I have a lot more room to grow still.
But then men start saying virgins are just using their purity for leverage. I mean my mum was a virgin when she married my dad and he had a high notch count. So having sex on the first date is a bad decision as a woman because we pair bond on the first go and that's leverage for a man. So a man could get to know his potential mate without sex and see if she's a good wife first and then a good mother after marriage given that she's a dutiful wife for the long hall. Choose carefully first and then vet her before marriage then sex because sex for first time really locks a woman down, believe me, I know.
The problem is if u won't have sex with her, somebody else will, especially if she's attractive. I need no best lady friends in my life, I have my cousins and mom already.
Ephesians 5:31 English Standard Version “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
Well God bless both of you you're preaching the truth. I have a question if you are an extremely wealthy man and you wanted to have children getting a surrogate and donor eggs of course from a highly intelligent woman good-looking. Having nannies to help raise the children. Do you see anything wrong with that I mean statistically men that raise children alone single fathers do much better than single mothers. Really respect both the guys that don't agree with everything but I agree with the vast majority of stuff. Having a live-in girlfriend if you live in Tennessee and Florida part-time the laws seem to be in favor of the man as long as you don't marry her call her your wife
That’s because they go to these charismatic churches where the pastors are all wife swapping. Do these woman even read the Bible or have the Holy Spirit guiding them? It says in the Bible to test yourself to see if you are a true Christian. I feel as though I am a true Christian and the person I am with it also a true Christian. In general I can’t believe how many messed up people their are out there it’s crazy.
If no one has my back during a divorce why the fuck would I expect their loyalty during the marriage? I’ve seen too many men abandoned by government, churches, society to even chance it.
I have 5 wives because I’m Morman, it was fun at first but now it’s just too much, I would like to get rid of the 3 that became heavy set but it’s against our religion
What about… Marriage is a means of guaranteeing the transfer of inheritance? The Proto distribution, Dr Jordan Peterson talk a bit about that, he said about 20% of the total population are the most hard-work m, while the other 80% barely contributed anything. This… small group of people (mostly men) are the most hyper productive labourers in their community. Going back to religion and that that predates thousands of years; what if: A/ an Alpha guy, who is a farmer, is surrounded by people who is threatening to take his stuff and he got all these women who keeps hanging around on his land. And all he need to do was loading out these women in exchange for deals. In the end, he baited them and became their “leader” knowing for well that these women only choose him and have only kids with him rather than these loser. B/A Chieftain/warlord, (state) who is surrounded by these hyperproductive farmers, has no power over them and that they are very close in overtaking him. So he (the state) arranged this contract with as many men as possible and swear loyalty to his regime. As a result to these two possibility’s, a population was booming and the beginning of city states.
Isn't it remarkable that the Bible says the following? "[B]ut those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do." -Apostle Paul, née Saul (1 Corinthians 7:28; 7:7-8).
Well marriage use to benefit both the man and women. Men got someone to take care of his offspring and maintain the home while women got security and leadership. Now men don't get much of anything beside sex if they are lucky and someone else's kids.
I lost my faith in God two years before I found the red pill. Once I got red pilled, it all made sense. Hell, I messed around with a woman from my church who was in a long distance relationship with the guy she now married to. So I know she fucking around on her husband. I can only imagine some of the married guys I remember in my church. Not say all of them. But I feel for those good men in that situation. The cost of marriage for men is too risky. Single for life.
Premarital sex is forbidden in Abrahamic agricultural based religions which embedded the notion of ownership. So we owned land and crops and cattle and then by extension women. Then once we felt women were property they were passed from father to husband as the actual ceremony. So women had value as other property and that had to be protected ie virginity
Is not the problem that a certain religion thinks its better or correct, its the person preaching at you that thinks he/she is correct. Happens daily in other situations dealing with humans🤷♀️😐
@4:30 nope she can be a drug addict and the state will still side with her. I divorced my ex becuase she cheated and blew most our savings on cocaine. I explicitly told the courts to drug test her because I knew she would fail a test. They did nothing and still gave her half my shit.
In today's world that we live in, guys need to be careful with marrying virgins. I've lost track of the number of divorces I've seen where the woman was a virgin where she had that whole wondering what if feelings pop up so she decides she wants to now explore and there ends up being a divorce, she takes the kids and half the guy's money. Guys need to get over the whole insecurity thing around sex and if they choose to get married, they just need to be sure that she's 100% certain that you're the guy she wants to be with and that there is genuine desire there.
The differences in religion is this... There is one that believes that you earn a pit of hell and nothing else but God decides to grant you grace and it is through faith in His promise that you are saved. Everything else you "earn" your way with man made traditions including but not limited to candle lighting, bead clutching, chanting, son of God mother worship.....
That was a great conversation with respect to religion and our current dating culture. Maybe India has it right. They still have arranged marriages, low divorce rates and males and females enjoying sex in their youth.
There is a lot of parental appeasement. The trad con guy hits mid to late twenties, and is like, " See, Dad, I stepped up and manned up by eloping Mary-Sue"
Traditional religious doctrine only works within the confines of a traditional, religious society. Arming yourself with those teachings in the secular, liberal west is like bringing a stick to a flamethrower fight.
Reading the Bible, i think as i understand God said having Sex with a virgin is marriage in the eyes of God. So the contract is a not part of a religion, i think Pastors want people to do the contract because it make hard for the Men to leave. They go as far to said that God don't want divorce which is no true because the Bible said that the only reason to divorce your wife is if she is being unfaithful. But unfaithful can mean a lot, it not only sexually it could be respect as well and more.
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Most marriages today follow this pattern:
1) Woman reaches epiphany stage.
2) She settles for good-provider-guy.
3) She has the number of kids she wants (which may include cuckolding if she's unsatisfied with good-provider-guy's genes).
4) Once kids reach age where she has more freedom (could be preschool, kindergarten, or even earlier if she has family or other built-in babysitters), she realizes she settled for good-provider-guy and, knowing she has him on the hook for child support (and possibly alimony), she files for divorce.
5) Marriage ends, nuclear family destroyed, good-provider-guy left paying child-support/alimony while getting limited access to kids, and woman re-enters dating market trying to bag man of her dreams.
Plot twist: no high value man wants a single mom !
@@Son-of-Krypton but remember : there are more simps than high value men.
@@User11367 but remember these broads all want high value men
@@Son-of-Krypton bingo
6. Kids reach teenage years in fatherless home. Mother tries to befriend daughters and sons rather than parent them. Children lack emotional control, perform poorly in school
7. Wife brings in live-in boyfriend, who makes sexual advances on daughter. Abuses and threatens son.
8. Ex wife mishandled spousal and child support payments. Money goes to leased Lexus and Hawaii trip, not shoes, clothes, medicines, school supplies
9. Ex husband has zero
control or influence over disaster unfolding in that house and to his own kids, who have learned to hate his guts because mom said so.
I was married to a Jehovah's Witness who do not believe in divorce unless one mate is unfaithful, there was a thought in my mind, that she would be better mate than most women are today, she used the religion against me like a weapon, then she cheated, divorced me and became unreligious really really fast
the hardcore ones usually only marry in the faith
a faithful one wouldnt married anyone outside the faith, you had a bad apple, and she was kicked out of the religion due to her bad attitude , she didnt leave it....
WTF bruh!? I hope you are doing well by yourself now.
She was a chameleon she showed her true colors.
That’s a bait and Switcher you got set up like the fool you are homie these so called “ religious “ lizards are the worst ya gotta be ware of them
Woman: "Let's get married! You don't want to die alone, do you?"
Man: "The divorce rate is 50% after 5 years that 80% of women initiate. Pair that along with unfair law/family court bias and alimony grape. I have to say no."
Woman: "You're going to die alone loser!"
Man: "My investment accounts, paid-off home and garage toys will keep me company."
Bro I like this girl at work she looks innocent but prolly isn’t I’ll try to see if she has some good qualities btw what are some good qualities should females have.
@@Alvin-xs7db yeah you’re right I’m overthinking it just gotta go with the flow
Even if you're married you'll die alone unless you both die at the exact same time so why bother lol
stay single you may die alone, but getting married you may die alone in poverty
@@talon86blake59 nah, even then you still die alone. Nobody can actually die with you
It kind of goes back to your saying, "Women should be a complement to your life, not the focus" In a religious view God should be the focus of your life, not women; but when you've got a congregation that's conflating women as God or saying "live sacrificial for women" I hope your red flags are going off. Appreciate your work
Yeah a lot your confusing I. That comment but uh. Yeah uh wow. Ok
@Brock Baker oh shit really? Wow thank you enlightened stranger from TH-cam comment section
@Brock Baker pssst he his
Totally agree
My dad told me in the late 80s, "don't get married son", so it doesn't just apply to this day, I couldn't think of anything less appealing
Getting chased by an aggressive hippopotamus in an African river
@@RealHarambe have you been to family court for a day?
@@captrodgers4273 that's less appealing to you then trying to flee from an inevitable death?
@@RealHarambe you're literally describing marrige
@@politecat9183 maybe you're marrying a fat hippo haha
Legit married the “girl of my dreams” 2 years ago. As soon has she got a big raise at work she decided to go rent her own 1 bedroom apartment.
Guys! Always put yourself first in today’s world. They will do nothing but leech and leave you the second they can get ahead.
Never put 100% trust in a women. NEVER!!!!!
I’ve never seen God represent anyone in divorce court or pay an alimony nor child support payment. Remain on your purpose gentleman and proceed accordingly….
That’s very true
Okay well don’t you think divorce is necessary? If the man I am with father didn’t divorce the woman he was with the guy I’m seeing wouldn’t have been born. 🤷♀️
If God really cared about marriage, he would snap his fingers and all the family courts and divorce laws would be fixed.
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Today Marriage is a time bomb…
And the woman holds the timer….Good Luck 💥
Your saying sounds cool! However, I disagree. We as the man make the call! She can’t do to men, in which man allows her to do in the 1st place.
@@adriand817 Cope
@@adriand817 Want to bet Adrian? I wish you were right!
@@rogerthornhill1491 most of these channels talk about how marriage isn’t worth it, because of the woman. So it’s the man’s fault for getting involved. He asked her to marry him, so if she betrays/leaves him, it’s his fault. Most guys don’t know how to vet women anyway, so why blame them.
Dangg.. poetry right there.
Women saying you’re going to die alone, when you die what difference does it make if you’re alone or around people you’re dead
I've been told I'm going to die alone all the time
My response: at least it will be peaceful
Facts. When we die, were going to die alone whether there is someone there with us or not, we leaving.
I refuse to be a female's beta provider. Ladies, stop marrying men you don't like and save us both the trouble. You want Chad go get him I will not be your 6th choice
They can't get Chad for more than boom boom.
Yeah that’s truly what’s sad, when woman do that. Don’t say you’re into a person then change your mind that’s just wishy washy
@@mariahconklin4150 That's the thing: they didn't change their minds, they were never attracted to these guys in the first place.
@@teddybeer6206 Sure they were, they were attracted to his wallet, until a bigger wallet came along.
The brother nailed it. Men stop going to church after they get divorced because they feel betrayed by God demand they be married. My former church is full of feminist which including the pastor is 95% women. Their husbands fled.
Correct and then they decide which cannon law is mandatory and which is optional and they even reinvent interpretation of the Bible to suit their conflicting f,and,ist ideology.
@@michaeldemarillac9992 Actually I think all those guys became Muslims. Can’t blame them.
Why do you go there then? That church sounds awful and I’m a woman. Lol! That’s why I like that men lead. More men need to lead that’s the way it should go. Woman shouldn’t be feminist
C’mon guys! Man up! Get married! What could possibly go wrong?! C’mon now. It won’t happen to you!
Seriously, in most jurisdictions marriage is a terrible gamble for any ambitious and/or successful person. You can still have terrific intimate relationships without inviting state law into your financial and familial affairs.
p.s. Read The Unplugged Alpha by Richard Cooper. Let the concepts in the book marinate in your mind. Ask questions. Go down the rabbit hole about divorce and child custody laws in your jurisdiction.Then decide if you want to enter the “bonds of holy matrimony” or have children.
I think the problem is men and women,having multiple sex partners,drugs,alcohol,before marriage doesn't help marriages.been together since 2001 got married this year.
I'm not wealthy neither is my wife and I love her,she's a good wife.
What is the real shame is fathers, brothers, uncles, and cousins don't tell bachelors the real truth about marriage, and they allow them to trot right into the slaughterhouse of contractual marriage. Instead, they keep quiet while new grooms live in confusion. I also blame the same people for some of the same suicides related to failed marriages. If these men knew what they were truly getting in to, they wouldn't have taken their breakups as bad as they did. I won't do that with my son, I will fill him in on everything before he even thinks about taking the dive.
I'll never get married but I still go to weddings for drinks, food, & easy lay-ups.
-Not gonna lie 🍺
You wanna die alone?
@@ARTDEVGRU247 “Better to live in the desert than with a problematic wife”
The Bible has quite a bit of RP content.
@@vinnievu1 The first 5 chapters of Proverbs is all redpilling n tons more gems in the rest of it. God must be front n center above all else for a young man.
@@ARTDEVGRU247 no way you're a man with that type of response. 😂
@@heybro6105 i am, though. Sucks for you.
My momma said Marry a Virgin. My reply was guess I’m never getting married. Especially now, in this day and age nah… I’m good
Lol 😂
Virgin or not she’ll make your life miserable
@@greatestever7623 black pill much… I’m my own man and no body can make me “anything” I don’t allow them too.
@@No-handleneeded1 I don’t do any of this “ pill “ bullshit i move with logic and to my advantage as every man should
@@greatestever7623 dido
You get the same benefits out of a relationship as you would in marriage if your female is down enough for you! She will never force you to marry if she’s also aware of the unjust dynamic “marriage” comes with. Females only want a >>>wedding
What other "marriage" options are there? 🙄🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@ARTDEVGRU247 (fully aware majority of people don’t do this anymore) jumping a fucking broom! Lol or anything that doesn’t involve the state
People can marry without the paperwork.
But, to my knowledge, those that want to bring a lady from abroad will have to get state papers
@@chalkkey433 how do you marry without the papers?
@@ARTDEVGRU247 hi
Before the gov stepped in, all marriages (in every nation) was without papers.
Many people still do their traditional marriages without the state. (It's a choice) Not so common in the West
Thanks Rollo for explaining what I went through. I was a Catholic, but it help me not, expect for increasing my existential angst. Good luck to all the males. MGTOW is the only creed for me now.
Fax i'm only 19
💯💯💯
MHTOW here too. The best and safest way to live your life.
Same for me
Both of these two demagogues are married
After divorce my advice to young men: If you're stupid enough to get married don't work harder than your Wife. Don't work multiple jobs/ more hours than her to make ends meet. It will come back on you in Domestic Relations/ Family Court 10 fold. Your hard work will come back against you BIG TIME! I lived it here in Pennsylvania recently.
Don't worry I'm not stupid enough to get married, but hope ur advice saves some other innocent men
that's why they want men to pay all the bills these days. it's a narrative being pushed amongst women today, but it's all a strategy so when the marriage fail, she'll get spousal support/alimony and the court will say: she gave her life up to follow you and now you have to pay up.
how will it come back against you?
@@zziz6137because financially it’s hurt the man and woman both side even if money is involved
@@zziz6137the provider has to pay aligmony to their spouse
My parents are married. Both make equally up to 500k plus a year each. My mom met my dad 25 years ago when he was poor. She stayed and leveled up with him together. Why can’t I just do that? I am not going to marry the first girl I find as my dad has taught me to vet carefully and find a ride or die. My parents marriage gives me hope.
Listen to your dad... vet very very carefully and for a few years before signing a legal contract with someone who gets financially rewarded for breaking it
What do your parents do that each of them pull down 500k/yr?
@@agentcooper4627 my dad is a CEO of a private company and my mom is an ex JP Morgan banker who now runs her own management consulting firm.
@@agentcooper4627 it's called family businesses
@@alex-p my mom also tells me the same thing too. She actually yells at me and says be careful out there with these “whores”. She’s like all it takes is one to ruin your life. She’s very conservative.
We DONT ignore divorce stats.....we just BLINDLY HOPE “I’m not gonna be that guy” 😂😂😂😂
Yup....I won't be a part of that statistic....lol
Sadly true
Well it's not exactly random. As is clear, most men aren't in their purpose space. Men who are in their purpose, constantly improving, but also don't make the mistake of thinking they can be selfish and wrap their whole lives around themselves and expect their women to wrap her life around them, men who will do that won't end up divorced as much. Talkless of the fact that it is possible to find traditional women
@@oakinwol yeah....thats why they get divorced on.
@@oakinwol there you go again 😂😂😂 thinking you better than the rest of us 😂✌️🇺🇸
Not getting married is like a man missing out on buying the last ticket on the Titanic.
That's right that romantic 'Titanic' movie, you know the one where almost every man dies.
Now DATS FUNNI!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 man that is so hilarious and true
🤣🤣🤣🤣
When people ask me why you're not married yet ( 30y old ) I always say " why would I bring the government in my private life " and they just have this stunned look lol 😅 it works because they don't ask further lol
When people ask me that question I tell them if they can find me a good looking woman that's not a big fat cow that doesn't have kids and hasn't been divorced.... I'll think about it.
Is that when you introduce them to your boyfriend?
@@darbyheavey406 most people have an private life especially when you get older
marriage now is like signing a contract where women can easily get out of it and get rewarded by doing so... marriage is a contract that both men and women needs to abide, not only men who needs to put in the work but women as well
From a physiological perspective, the more partners a woman has, the less likely she's able to pair-bond effectively. It has to do with reduced levels of Oxytocin being produced by the physical interaction. In short... the higher the bodycount she has... the lower the chances of her being/remaining loyal to you.
That is interesting. Do you have a reference for that?
Really, there is official science proving this theory of pair-bonding? Also, most women don’t actually orgasm at all with the men they sleep with, so no release of oxytocin.
@@markaurelius61maybe your mom?
Happened to me married 17 years to a Christian woman instead of choir practice she was seeing her boyfriend with my 14 year old daughter with her,
Sorry to hear that, did they meet in church?
@@Someone-gj3go no some loser she knew in highschool,, 2 year's after she left she was killed chasing him down rt24 hit a truck headon and killed her and 3 years after that he died on my birthday July 4 th,,, last thing she said to me a month before her death was she knows she's going to hell for what she did to me and our children, karma are God I'll never know maybe there the same, l just know I was always good to her,, then I was in a 13 year relationship with another Christian woman and the last 6 years raised and loved 2 of her sons kids and when I wouldn't agree to raise 2 more she left and never let me see the kids again,, she's still in the church we attended and I left.
@@georgespangler1517 dam bro sounds crazy, thanks for the reply.
@@Someone-gj3go sure was my friend , my father always said I was bulletproof to survive it..
I was there refused to divorce for years because of religious beliefs, feelings of betrayal from family and church. Glad I found the red pill pushed past all that and did the divorce best fucking decision of my life. Life is exponentially better and free and I went from dreading going home every day to an abundance of girls much younger excited about being with me.
Way to go bro. Went through exactly the same path. I live and feel much better single smashing young babes 👿
It just means that you weren’t meant to be with that person.
@@cluggyahoo gross
@@mariahconklin4150 😂😂😂
Cheers Pal
That’s amazing intellect and logic based on the history of Marriage and in main function by Rollo. Well said and explained. Thank you.
There was this really attractive married lady at my work. She was very religious and conservative and homeschooled her children. One day she tried to grab my chest. Even those women cannot be trusted nowadays.........
Very sad marriage is a joke nowadays cant even get comitment from it
That Marriage Sh!t is just Obsolete for M3N Nowadays 💯
Can’t even begin to tell you how many people I know that are divorced. It’s absolutely ridiculous! And people still sign up! Will never understand. Enjoy your life, cheers!
Think about it ... you marry a woman that is allegedly "equal" to you. But when you get a divorce, the resources ONLY flow in one direction. You have to give her your hard earned money, but she doesn't have to give you anything in return. She's out of the marriage, but you are still in it from a distance and through government coercion.
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I believe Marriage is still Gods Advice but today the laws interfering in a marriage has nothing to do with God and that's problem
Sad to say, this episode describes my history very well.
I married a girl who pretended to have like minded religious beliefs and I thought I was insulated from common divorce statistics.
After three kids, she took her false mask off and worshiped at the alter of Oprah religion, where you observe the parts you like and discard the rest. She began cheating, then used the law against me to divorce and guarantee herself a long time fixed income and retirement benefits from my salary and retirement. Religion/faith didn't save me from this and I am no longer a participant, just an observer.
Isn’t it true if she remarried you won’t have to pay alimony anymore ?
every man want to have family with loving wife, but marriage had changed , and idk what to do about it
You cant.
Marriage for a healthy person (man and women) is a cherry on top! it’s a complement to their already happy life. if you’re having mental issues, you grew up in dysfunctional family just don’t even think about marriage till you’re already in a path of healthy life for years!
In my culture older marriaged guys want to force unmarried men of the family because they don’t want to see the sheer freedom and happiness of younger, they’re envious!😂
I agree. That's why you don't get married after 6 months of knowing the person. Get married after 2 years. And know how they are and how they behave. Know the woman you're marrying. And the woman needs to know the man she is marrying.
@@e.o9470 😄😄😄
Healthy people and healthy society.....we have neither.
@@johngalt6838 exactly
Marriage is pleasing to God,I don't have alot but my wife loves me and I love her.we have ups and lows.
I think there a lot of factors that seems to be snowballing divorce and men that don't want to get married. Some of the main reasons are parents that both work and let social media, friends, Hollywood, feminism and "Progressive" schools teach and raise their kids. Life has become subjective not objective.
I will never be married and I am thrilled about the thought of a peaceful future.
When I was in law school and we were starting Partnership Law, the Professor introduced the concept of OGW. Other guys wife. You were taking on the added risk of the consequences to you of his wife filing for divorce in a no-fault, community property jurisdiction.
Wow! No that’s real scary second level thinking! Your business partner who you depend on could be wiped out. And in so doing put you in financial jeopardy! Not a happy thought!
@@rogerthornhill1491 worse than that, you might be forced, to pay out your own capital to buy half your partner's share so his ex-wife can cash in her share of the 'family' assets. Or worse yet have a vested interest in how the partnership operates.
@@jodywhitehead9173 Jesus Jody! I’ll tell you what you’ve managed to achieve, scaring the shit out of me! I’m no longer running my business in partnership form. He was bought out years ago. But my brother is, and just between you me and the rest of the world, his partners wife is bat shit crazy and right at that point in her life where she’s likely you to make that type of decision. I’m wondering how I’m gonna tell him what type of contractual dangers he’s possibly in??
@@rogerthornhill1491 this info is based on the law of the Province of British Columbia circa 1980. You need to talk to a local lawyer. There are other forms of setting up a business, privately held Corp, limited liability partnership etc. The biggest problem will be whether changing the form of business to protect him would be construed as harming the wife's already established interests.
I don't understand any of this and it still sounds scary....
Marriage would be a more palatable contract if we made the following changes:
1. Require a jury trial for divorces, which we should be doing because of the 7th Amendment.
2. The non-initiator of a no fault divorce gets all of the jointly owned property and a minimum 50% custody of any children.
3. A DNA paternity test should be required for every child at birth before any man is declared to be the father. We should sell this as we have to be certain the child is not being kidnapped from his/her biological father.
One partner can sabotage a marriage and drive the other to want a divorce. Just stipulating non-initiator does not identify the party that actually wanted to honour the marriage.
@@markaurelius61 If the sabotage is a recognized fault like abuse or adultery, the aggrieved party can file on those grounds. It would be up to the jury to determine if there is sufficient evidence to prove the fault. If there are other faults that should be included they should be included in law.
@@nrkgalt OK, And if fault were established, what penalty should be applied to the guilty party?
That sounds like a fucking nightmare
@@rafaeldotto7147 Only a nightmare for a gold digger or gigolo.
Kevin Samuels has it right IMO.
Marriage is a good idea for women. It’s a wise, short and long term play for them. The benefits inured by women from marriage and family far outweigh the risks and opportunity costs.
For men marriage is now a terrible play, short or long term, and the opportunity costs legally, financially and also sexually are so prohibitively high as to be absurd.
The only reason for men to marry is to have children, but even then men have zero assurances of paternity and zero marital authority or child raising authority.
All downside.
The more obvious issue is even if marriage were worth it, men still have to choose between fat girls, single moms and SSRI patients, all of them done being feminine and fun and harboring the attitude they are reluctantly going to “settle” on him.
It’s so damning, women have no retort anymore, other than insults because they know you are correct.
Dalrock was correct in 2011. Christian conservatives are Gilligan’s when it comes to single mothers and slut shaming
What is a Gillian?
But why do you need to be married just to have kids? You don’t need the gov to help with your kids
@@jf5237 Where do the kids go to school?
Facts
There is more to it.. For example, The Bible warns very heavily against marrying a non-virgin women. Also the chapter/book of Proverbs speaks extensively on how to vet a woman using character/values, her community, lifestyle and sustained reputation.. Using this alone, most women in the US are not marriage material. The Bible also describes what to expect from women who “belongs to the streets” (Harlot or Jezebel women). It’s a text book definition of the culture we are experiencing today..
True
Oh no the stats for divorce statistics are completely ignorable it’s just a really bad idea to pretend that they don’t exist.
That was a really interesting and challenging discussion. Note how the disciples responded to Jesus when he insisted on lifelong matrimony ' " if it's that way between a man and a woman it would be better not to get married". Jesus replied, "not everyone can accept this teaching"..'
Marriage was always a contract. In the past, it made sense!
Little known fact about the Bible: The part that is used as evidence for why you should get married... And when you pick through the translations and put it into context of what it was at the time of it's writing.... It's really a letter about how a city was running amuck with single mothers and such, due to rampant sexual activities of everyone in that city. The proposed solution was "you should get married because it's like... that persons job to have sex with you." The idea was that married people would provide a home for the children and women, while still maintaining the sex that everyone still wanted. 🤷♂️ So... it isn't that it is against "premarital sex", as much as it's just suggesting that marriage is better for social order and it's socially useful comparatively, to sex without marriage.
Oh wow and links to sources on this I’d like to research. I know in the Torah, that the punishment for adultery is death, but sex with a virgin was a fine (before marriage)
@@RedDevilStudio sources? Lol, it's called Bible research. I was a youth director for a few years, my best friend is a pastor, I'm an autodidact and theologian, and one of my majors was in history (basically meta-research). Studying the Bible and researching history/languages etc is kind of one of my things, lol. But, it's pretty easy to figure out. Just read about 4 or 5 different versions and translations of the verses I'm talking about within the Bible. 🤷 I can't remember off hand, maybe it was either Peter or Luke, but it was a letter written to a church within a city that was having some trouble. And if you read closely, he basically says, since everyone's having sex, just start getting married. It's good that a man and a woman should get married.
Now, people just trying to prove what they already believe as their cultural beliefs, rather than actual religious beliefs, they'll use that to suggest that marriage should be between a "man and a woman" and should never deviate from that.... People assume that it means that marriage is something that needs to happen and that it must be between 1 man and 1 woman, and never shall you do anything sexual unless you're married. But, all of that is just made up nonsense that somebody interpreted and interposed rather than, what was actually being discussed. What was being talked about was that they had a whole bunch of baby mamas, and nobody knew who the fathers were of what kids, and no one was taking responsibility for their care. And the solution proposed was to start making sure everyone got married. 🤷 Part of the problem with the modern world is that there's a whole bunch of people that really have no idea what the Bible even says, but are willing to quote it as if they do.
But I mean, if you're looking for sources, my source is the "Holy Bible". 🤷 I use multiple versions and multiple translations. And I research some of the original languages that they were translated from, along with my best friend translating the Greek etc with me... So....
@@RedDevilStudio another fun fact... Adultery was defined as when a woman stepped out on her husband and had sexual relations with someone she wasn't married to. The only people capable of committing adultery is a married woman and someone that she was not married to having sex with her. A husband cannot commit adultery by that definition, unless he's sleeping with another woman who is married to a different man. 🤷
@@tygon13 I’ve explained this a fair few times and Christians don’t usually get it. Mostly because polygamy was allowed back then and also if your brother died (usually in battle) they’d have to marry their spouse.
@@tygon13 Yeah bro I know the bible , it’s the baby mamas bit (it was Paul btw and the letter was to the Corinthians) but I only know a little about the history of Corinth around that time, so was asking for clarity.
When I tell this to Indian men, they think I'm overreacting.
Many indian men woken up
Familiarity breeds contempt.
More so for women. Men will trudge for a woman raising his kids properly. Logic says its about the kids.
That plays right into women’s hands.
I know a guy who isn't married but pays child support, has no say in when he gets the child, she literally dictates everything to him or threatens to take it to court. She dumps the kid on him when she wants to mess around with a guy and demands him back whenever she gets pumped and dumped. Oh, and to top it off, she has 4 kids to 3 different dads and is only 33 years old. Smokes, drinks, bad attitude, post wall etc etc..
Well that's on the dude, for not enforcing boundaries.
@@scotttracy9333 oh you sweet summer child, you really believe the courts care about him. His options are do as she says or never see the kid again.
Investing in marriage today is like buy stock in Enron…
So me and my wife have one car. I'm a truck driver. She begged me to go local because I'm home every 3 weeks and don't want to be by herself. I didn't want to do it because she's always bitching about problems she causes. I went local and literally the first day she complains about how I take the car all day because I work far. I told her what time I need to be at work at 7:30 and that she can't take the car. She then says that she can just drop me off no problem. The next day I drive to work early because if I drive later I will be late. We get to work early and I said I'm waiting until 7:30 to go into work. She gets upset and says how is she suppose to take the kids to work if she leaves my job at 7:30. I told her that I literally told her this yesterday so why is it a issue now. She says we'll I "thought" you would have just came earlier for work and sit there for an hour. Now of course everything is my fault because she decided to change what she agreed to without even telling me
Rollo is a great guy, but he lucked out with his wife. She is happy in her life with Rollo. So he will likely be widowed before Divorce.
Adding to my thoughts. For me at 50. To even Cohab/Marry. That woman would have to really sell me on it. There is no way I am going to go along with that off the hop. She can't ensnare me with Sex. She has to bring more to my table. My detail list for me is Interesting Conversations and laughs. Doing social and recreational activities. Lots of Physical affection towards me. Space/Flexibility and Focused time together as well. She has to be well groomed and fit.
I think if you both want to get married a prenup is a must. Idc. What anyone says. You need a prenuptial agreement so they don't take your hard earned money. Men don't marry a woman you wouldn't have a kid with.
Women will find a way around that prenup. It’s not a guarantee safe bet either now.
@@portraitofman2063 no they aren't. Don't write your pre nup on a napkin
Courts and judges work around prenuptial agreements.
Men should not even have the though of being married in todays time. its time to get rid of that Disney world fantasy that society tried to feed us.
In some states after 10 years the prenup is no longer valid.
There's nothing in it for a man to get married
The main reason why premarital sex in the Bible is considered bad is because sex is supposed to be a reward, and the body of each partner is supposed to be a gift unto the other partner and not freely given to everybody with the heartbeat
It ALWAYS was a bad idea. Always will be.
If you're gay, yeah.
@@rafaeldotto7147 Ironically, only little boys need to marry women to have sex with them 😜
Rollo talking that marriage is a bad idea......but he's married. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
He must be saying from the experience.
If i'm rich in a third-world country, it doesn't mean that the third-world country has a great economy to get a well-paid job
Married to an older woman
@@ak_naral 😆
Funny
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I wonder if Rollo has a prenup
'Been through it and got divorced (Not my choice). I still consider myself to have a relationship with God, but I'm not putting myself in that losing proposition to get married again. Still have companionship on my terms.
Please don’t get relationship or marriage because it take away your self esteem I am in this right now you can lose yourself as a identity 😊
This is why my uncle who had money and nice things as a life long bachelor told me as a child don't get married
But now they 'know what they like' ....is the common trope they will spew.
I believe Rollo dicusses in TRM, women with higher notch count have a difficult time pair bonding. The virginity, no sex before marriage enables that deeper emotional attachment. Also, with a woman / couple more devoted to their religion, they will both risk losing their community/ social network if getting divorced.
Honest question, what should men do if they want to have kids? I want children in the future but the thought of marriage (and divorce) terrifies me. Is adoption a realistic option for a single dad?
Surrogate?
There are women in Asia, Thailand and Philippines where you can pay a woman to have your baby and then she signs the rights to you.
Just be careful of how that will emotionally affect your kid if mom isn't around.
If you're terrified of marriage what's the point of having kids?
@@rafaeldotto7147 why do people think that you should get married for kids ? It's pointless
Just have kids without being married
Whether God actually exists or not, is not relevant. Many (if not most) people who are Christians, do not actually believe God exists, nor that there is a 'man in the Sky'. Why? The Bible is a collection of archetypal truths about men and women, society, strength, honor, family etc, which are hundreds of thousands of years old, and which are essential to the human condition. That is what most Christians believe in. For example: in the Bible Jesus says: ''To those who have everything, more will be given. To those who have nothing, everything will be taken away''. this truth is SO fundamental, it should be taught to children in pre-school. It is the reason why planets orbit the Sun, it is the reason why we cannot get rid of inequality in society, no matter how hard we try. It has even been mathematically proved: as the Pareto Effect. Now, does it matter Whether Jesus actually existed? no.
Another example: the Story of Samson: tells basically of how a man loses his manhood and becomes a weak SIMP, if he lets women control him. (Samson is basically the strongest Alpha there is, nobody can beat him nobody can control him. His wife Delilah gets jealous of him and wants to control him, so he lets her get closer to him and she takes advantage of him and cuts off his hair, which is obviously a metaphor for his penis. He then loses his legendary strength and is killed by his enemies). This Biblical story is a fundamental truth about the relationship between men and women, that goes back to the dawn of humanity.
P.S. Because these are fundamental Archetypes, they are present in every religion (for example, Hindus have all the same stuff in the Bagvad GIta, which is the equivalent of the bible. The stories of their Gods and their adventures are all about the same thing: strength, bravery, men and women...etc. The Story of Hercules is the same: an example of male bravery and facing your fears. Youre supposed to teach that to your sons. Thats why they exist. So it doesnt really matter which religion you choose! the archetypes are the same. @0:06
Hundreds of thousands of years old, is it?
I am sure you listen to JP lectures. I tottaly agree with you.
Yes, it does matter...A LOT. Jesus died for your sins. Put your faith in what he did on the cross for your sins so that you can live in heaven for eternity. It’s a free gift that God longs for you to receive.
Great content good info thanks brothers.
I got into it with a female friend of mine a couple months back over a phone conversation on marriage/divorce. She's single, Asian, mid 50s, does not work, above-average SMV, on the market for what I'd consider to be unsuspecting, vulnerable (lonely) white, middle-aged men of means. On one of her conquests, she was telling me that this guy's x-wife was going after 7 figures as a settlement + over $30K a month in alimony that may have included child support. Although I knew her relationships were transactional, I couldn't hold back my red pill rant, telling her that any man stupid enough to get into a marriage for this very reason deserves to get taken and that no woman is worth that kind of money. Oops. Her reply, "you're just bitter", and "he has assets". She then hung up on me. I texted back, apologizing that I didn't mean to offend her, but that it's frustrating to hear of these men with zero awareness of what they're getting into, then get taken advantage of in the end because the laws are not in their favor when it comes to the family court system and that this expensive learning lesson hopefully instills upon him not to repeat the same stupid mistake again. We haven't talked since, first time in 20 years that she has not called me back regularly.
This was not about my friend, but she seems to have taken it as such.
How do you read her behavior?
It really comes down to how much you trust women.
As a Christian male, I see a lot of my brothers go their own way. Christian women are left lonely because even Christina brothers are scared to marry them. It's so risky and these women have been affected by modern feminism. No woman is really safe to marry. You're playing Russian roulette with a full chamber.
Rollo is such an odd man. He mocks religious people for believing they will “buck the trend because they have God on their side”. What makes Rollo think he’s going to buck the trend? He then goes on to say marriage ‘as it is now’ is an “unconscionable contract”. Again, what makes him think his marriage right now isn’t subject to the same laws!?
He’s a married MGTOW
@@greatestever7623 those exist??
@@Cum007 yessssss and in abundance
Rollo is a married old dude to a wife older than him. He's also dated single mothers. He's preaching to you guys making big bucks
Rollo explains it perfectly!
Rollo: "Dont get married. Except for me. Its great for me, glad I got married"
Thank
This what the bible says on the matter. MGTOW
25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this....
1 Cor 7:25-28
I couldn't get married today in today's climate. Everyone is to involved in people's life's. No thanks. All take peace and tranquility over a H oe any day.
Can you talk about how to scale a six figure income? instead of relationship bs all the time.
There’s no secret formula but there are a few tips I can give you
1) surround yourself with successful people or people that want to better themselves, it will force you to level up
2) develop a talent and use that to earn your income, this can be anything but you need passion behind it, do what you love. you’ll stand out from the crowd.
3) invest, invest, invest. Especially if you are young. Crypto is the future.
4) minimize debt, and don’t make unnecessary purchases. Basically the more disciplined you are the more money you will make.
5) wake up early, listen to music, podcasts and get a jump start to you day. It really does make a difference. if you’re really serious about getting into the 6 figure club you have to put in the work but the payoff is worth it.
I just turned 26 make 120k a year it is possible but I have a lot more room to grow still.
But then men start saying virgins are just using their purity for leverage. I mean my mum was a virgin when she married my dad and he had a high notch count. So having sex on the first date is a bad decision as a woman because we pair bond on the first go and that's leverage for a man. So a man could get to know his potential mate without sex and see if she's a good wife first and then a good mother after marriage given that she's a dutiful wife for the long hall. Choose carefully first and then vet her before marriage then sex because sex for first time really locks a woman down, believe me, I know.
If men have to have sex in order to lock the woman down, shouldnt they have sex first, know she is locked down, and then marry her?
@@Raptured_and_back Sex to men isn't the same as it is for women. Men have established that.
@@nandinisingh60 Didn't answer my question.
No man every said that...you a crazy liar...lol...
The problem is if u won't have sex with her, somebody else will, especially if she's attractive. I need no best lady friends in my life, I have my cousins and mom already.
Ephesians 5:31
English Standard Version
“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
Well God bless both of you you're preaching the truth. I have a question if you are an extremely wealthy man and you wanted to have children getting a surrogate and donor eggs of course from a highly intelligent woman good-looking. Having nannies to help raise the children. Do you see anything wrong with that I mean statistically men that raise children alone single fathers do much better than single mothers. Really respect both the guys that don't agree with everything but I agree with the vast majority of stuff. Having a live-in girlfriend if you live in Tennessee and Florida part-time the laws seem to be in favor of the man as long as you don't marry her call her your wife
Sadly, Now a days not true. Most of the time even now a days, even from same strong religious women are cheating , I know I lot of such situations…
That’s because they go to these charismatic churches where the pastors are all wife swapping. Do these woman even read the Bible or have the Holy Spirit guiding them? It says in the Bible to test yourself to see if you are a true Christian. I feel as though I am a true Christian and the person I am with it also a true Christian. In general I can’t believe how many messed up people their are out there it’s crazy.
imagine a society where men aren't committed to raising a family and protecting the weaker sex.
Park the ego flush all expectations. God's on his side. Smart man here. 70 no wife kids debt. I have nothing and am happy
If no one has my back during a divorce why the fuck would I expect their loyalty during the marriage? I’ve seen too many men abandoned by government, churches, society to even chance it.
Some churches are full of fake people whom have double lives.
@@letsgetjackdup9952 I was living in a youth shelter, and they kicked me to the curb. Feel like they were fake.
@@Cum007 I'm sorry. Church should be the first you run to for help.
I have 5 wives because I’m Morman, it was fun at first but now it’s just too much, I would like to get rid of the 3 that became heavy set but it’s against our religion
Just kidding lol
What about… Marriage is a means of guaranteeing the transfer of inheritance?
The Proto distribution, Dr Jordan Peterson talk a bit about that, he said about 20% of the total population are the most hard-work m, while the other 80% barely contributed anything. This… small group of people (mostly men) are the most hyper productive labourers in their community.
Going back to religion and that that predates thousands of years; what if:
A/ an Alpha guy, who is a farmer, is surrounded by people who is threatening to take his stuff and he got all these women who keeps hanging around on his land. And all he need to do was loading out these women in exchange for deals.
In the end, he baited them and became their “leader” knowing for well that these women only choose him and have only kids with him rather than these loser.
B/A Chieftain/warlord, (state) who is surrounded by these hyperproductive farmers, has no power over them and that they are very close in overtaking him.
So he (the state) arranged this contract with as many men as possible and swear loyalty to his regime.
As a result to these two possibility’s, a population was booming and the beginning of city states.
Isn't it remarkable that the Bible says the following? "[B]ut those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do." -Apostle Paul, née Saul (1 Corinthians 7:28; 7:7-8).
why didn't rich respond to rollos claim at the end?? I wanted to hear his thoughts
Because even though Rich isn't religious he knows Rollo Tomassi is right
Someone post the text that directly says no bedroom fun before marriage. It doesn't!!
Well marriage use to benefit both the man and women.
Men got someone to take care of his offspring and maintain the home while women got security and leadership.
Now men don't get much of anything beside sex if they are lucky and someone else's kids.
Ensure paternity. Don't risk my money in the process. Gotcha.
I’m not a religious dude but things happen sometimes ….universe magic god or karma 🤷♂️
Marriage is like a TV licence....Not required!
I lost my faith in God two years before I found the red pill. Once I got red pilled, it all made sense. Hell, I messed around with a woman from my church who was in a long distance relationship with the guy she now married to. So I know she fucking around on her husband. I can only imagine some of the married guys I remember in my church. Not say all of them. But I feel for those good men in that situation.
The cost of marriage for men is too risky.
Single for life.
Jesus loves you man. Men, women, and the church will always fail you, but God won’t.
Damn she didn’t really loved him sadly enough
Premarital sex is forbidden in Abrahamic agricultural based religions which embedded the notion of ownership. So we owned land and crops and cattle and then by extension women. Then once we felt women were property they were passed from father to husband as the actual ceremony. So women had value as other property and that had to be protected ie virginity
Is not the problem that a certain religion thinks its better or correct, its the person preaching at you that thinks he/she is correct. Happens daily in other situations dealing with humans🤷♀️😐
I don't believe in marriage is a bad idea not worth it
@4:30 nope she can be a drug addict and the state will still side with her. I divorced my ex becuase she cheated and blew most our savings on cocaine. I explicitly told the courts to drug test her because I knew she would fail a test. They did nothing and still gave her half my shit.
Anyone know where I can find the UK terms of marriage contract? I want to read it but cant find it anywhere
In today's world that we live in, guys need to be careful with marrying virgins. I've lost track of the number of divorces I've seen where the woman was a virgin where she had that whole wondering what if feelings pop up so she decides she wants to now explore and there ends up being a divorce, she takes the kids and half the guy's money. Guys need to get over the whole insecurity thing around sex and if they choose to get married, they just need to be sure that she's 100% certain that you're the guy she wants to be with and that there is genuine desire there.
I think the guy is right there is a whole science behind it.
The differences in religion is this...
There is one that believes that you earn a pit of hell and nothing else but God decides to grant you grace and it is through faith in His promise that you are saved.
Everything else you "earn" your way with man made traditions including but not limited to candle lighting, bead clutching, chanting, son of God mother worship.....
That was a great conversation with respect to religion and our current dating culture. Maybe India has it right. They still have arranged marriages, low divorce rates and males and females enjoying sex in their youth.
There is a lot of parental appeasement. The trad con guy hits mid to late twenties, and is like, " See, Dad, I stepped up and manned up by eloping Mary-Sue"
Traditional religious doctrine only works within the confines of a traditional, religious society. Arming yourself with those teachings in the secular, liberal west is like bringing a stick to a flamethrower fight.
Reading the Bible, i think as i understand God said having Sex with a virgin is marriage in the eyes of God. So the contract is a not part of a religion, i think Pastors want people to do the contract because it make hard for the Men to leave. They go as far to said that God don't want divorce which is no true because the Bible said that the only reason to divorce your wife is if she is being unfaithful. But unfaithful can mean a lot, it not only sexually it could be respect as well and more.